WEBVTT - #827 Packers Unscripted: Key offseason questions

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to another edition of Packers unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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<v Speaker 2>I am like Spofford, joined by the one and only

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<v Speaker 2>Wes Hodkowitz.

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<v Speaker 1>We're coming to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Hear from our studios at lambeau Field. Wes our comeback episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you don't want to call it that, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to our comeback episode. On Tuesday, we reviewed

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<v Speaker 2>the off season to this point for the Green Bay Packers,

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<v Speaker 2>looking at various key positions and how things have changed

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<v Speaker 2>shape for the twenty twenty five Packers. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>continue to review the twenty twenty five off season to

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<v Speaker 2>this point, but in a little bit different way in

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm going to throw a question at you, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'll let you answer it, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>will also answer it. And as usual, I didn't prep

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<v Speaker 2>you with the questions in advance. You're perhaps going to

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<v Speaker 2>steal one of my answers and I will just have

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<v Speaker 2>to react.

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<v Speaker 1>And deal with it if that happens.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>But first question, of all of the off season moves

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<v Speaker 2>the Packers have made, and here where I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 2>signings in free agency, re signing your own players, what's

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<v Speaker 2>happened in the draft, what's happened with the coaching staff,

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<v Speaker 2>like any and everything that encompasses the Packers off season.

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<v Speaker 2>What would you point to right now as the most

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<v Speaker 2>significant Brandon McManus.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, and let's just be honest, Mike. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 3>green Bay Packers went through a roller coaster through the

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<v Speaker 3>first relatively month and a half, and really the whole

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<v Speaker 3>off season I think they went and cycled through was

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<v Speaker 3>at seven different kickers before ultimately McManus ended up coming

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<v Speaker 3>and sort of saving the season for green Bay. The

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<v Speaker 3>fact that the Packers ranked in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 3>pack and field goal accuracy after how things started. In

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<v Speaker 3>no disrespect to Brandon Narvisen, but you had a rookie

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<v Speaker 3>kicker coming in that gets claimed at the end of

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<v Speaker 3>kay and has to come in and he's in a

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<v Speaker 3>new spot, and I felt like McManus was the one

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<v Speaker 3>that started the turnaround for green Bay special teams. It

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<v Speaker 3>felt like, yes, it was the field goal unit and

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<v Speaker 3>all of that, but it also just felt like everything

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<v Speaker 3>sort of synked up a little bit more in You

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<v Speaker 3>and I on Tuesday's show, we were discussing these different

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<v Speaker 3>positions and potential battles. Michael, when was the last time

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<v Speaker 3>the Packers on this day, you know, in May of

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty five, third week of the offseason program, have

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<v Speaker 3>had one kicker, one punter in one long snapper in

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<v Speaker 3>addition to obviously Alex Hale the international player exemption. But

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<v Speaker 3>right now, it's about his stables. It's been in years

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<v Speaker 3>as far as being able to maintain and keep Brandon

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<v Speaker 3>McManus in the fold and for him to have the

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<v Speaker 3>season that he had with only two miss field goals

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<v Speaker 3>the entire way. Certainly one of them was obviously in

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<v Speaker 3>the game against Philadelphia, but this was such a massive

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<v Speaker 3>sing for Green Bay in the middle of the season,

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<v Speaker 3>and to be able to extend him and keep him around,

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<v Speaker 3>I think is going to have a huge impact on

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<v Speaker 3>those we fence and the special teams units going forward.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I like that. I like that choice. I

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<v Speaker 2>think for me as far as as of right now

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<v Speaker 2>looking at things right now, the one that I feel

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<v Speaker 2>is the most significant was the free agent signing of

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<v Speaker 2>Nate Hobbs at cornerback. And I say that for a

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<v Speaker 2>couple reasons. One, obviously, the situation with Jay or Alexander

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<v Speaker 2>is still not resolved. We're not quite sure where that's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go. At the time that the Packers made the

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<v Speaker 2>signing of Hobbs, there there wasn't any certainty as to

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<v Speaker 2>as to how things were gonna unfold with Alexander, So

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<v Speaker 2>so it's significant from that standpoint. I think it's also significant,

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<v Speaker 2>as we talked about on our last show, how the

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<v Speaker 2>Packers are investing in another defensive back who they feel

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<v Speaker 2>they can line up in different places. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>another key Sewn Nixon, who whom they feel can line

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<v Speaker 2>up and defend on the boundary but also line up

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<v Speaker 2>and and play in the slot, and giving Jeff Haffley

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<v Speaker 2>and this defense that many you know, yet another movable

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<v Speaker 2>part among many movable parts in his secondary And then

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<v Speaker 2>the other reason I would say it was significant. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is a little bit sort of revisionist history in

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<v Speaker 2>a weird sort of way if you follow if you

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<v Speaker 2>follow along here, But I think but it became significant

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<v Speaker 2>because the I would have I would have almost bet

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<v Speaker 2>my house that the Packers were going to draft a

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<v Speaker 2>cornerback within the first four rounds of this draft, not

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<v Speaker 2>saying it was had to be the first round pick,

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<v Speaker 2>but I thought just within the first one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty picks of this draft, the Packers were going to

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<v Speaker 2>take a cornerback and the board just didn't fall that

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<v Speaker 2>way for them. I think if the board falls a

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<v Speaker 2>certain way, they probably do, but the board didn't fall

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<v Speaker 2>that way, and they end up actually not getting a

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<v Speaker 2>cornerback until the seventh round with Micah Robinson and then

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<v Speaker 2>as I mentioned, also bringing in a highly touted, undrafted

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<v Speaker 2>player in Jonathan Baldwin who many people thought would be drafted.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reason that it makes the Hobbs signing that

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<v Speaker 2>much more significant, not only because of just what you

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<v Speaker 2>did for the cornerback room and bringing in a veteran,

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<v Speaker 2>but with the board not falling the way you were

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<v Speaker 2>hoping or maybe thinking it would fall during the draft,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't have to just go out and reach for

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<v Speaker 2>a cornerback and oh, we got to make sure we

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<v Speaker 2>get one of these guys before they're gone. The signing

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<v Speaker 2>of Hobbs, like even with the cornerback board didn't fall

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<v Speaker 2>quite right in the draft, but Brian Gudacunz could still

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<v Speaker 2>just sit back and say, hey, it's okay, We're all right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know we you know, the Alexander thing is still

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<v Speaker 2>up in the air. But we brought in Hobbs, we

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<v Speaker 2>have Nixon, There's Carrington Valentine, you know there. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think the I think the Hobbs signing was was really

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<v Speaker 2>significant for a lot of reasons. There question number two,

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<v Speaker 2>which off season move of everything that has happened to

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<v Speaker 2>this point, are you most curious to see.

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<v Speaker 1>What results from it?

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<v Speaker 2>Oo?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I know that's a tough one.

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<v Speaker 3>Mike's I'm putting off for bringing fast On.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm putting you, I'm putting you on the spot here.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So this is accounting the draft class as well. Sure, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the use I could answer this two ways. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>but can I start with the draft class? Pudes, because

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<v Speaker 3>we were asking me the question, which which move entices

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<v Speaker 3>me the most? Which will move I'm most excited to

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<v Speaker 3>see it's saveon Williams because it's just because when you

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<v Speaker 3>have a guy that is utilized the way he was

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<v Speaker 3>utilized at TCU, and I think you and I would

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<v Speaker 3>both agree just based on the depth of the received position,

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<v Speaker 3>he's not going to have that many opportunities, you would think.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it was like they were building the whole

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<v Speaker 3>offense around him. Uh. At Texas Christian so what aspects

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<v Speaker 3>of him his game. Does Matt Lafleur, Adam Stenovich, Jason

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<v Speaker 3>Rabel do they look to extract and utilize right out

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<v Speaker 3>of the gate, because I think he can help them,

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<v Speaker 3>But I couldn't tell you, based on his workload and

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<v Speaker 3>the multitude of ways that he was utilized in college,

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<v Speaker 3>exactly what he's going to do in Green Bay. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>Be that as it may. The Isaiah Simmons one is

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<v Speaker 3>really interesting to me with the Packers signing him, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was the last move they've made in the free

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<v Speaker 3>agency window here. But this guy is five years removed

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<v Speaker 3>from being the eighth overall pick in the NFL Draft

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<v Speaker 3>and he's never missed a game because of injury. Incredibly durable,

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<v Speaker 3>played a lot of football for the Arizona Cardinals the

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<v Speaker 3>first two and a half years, and it's just sort

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<v Speaker 3>of been trying to find his spot, you know, ever

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<v Speaker 3>since that Cliff Kingsbury era ended in Arizona. So is

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<v Speaker 3>he going to be on special teams? You know? Is

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<v Speaker 3>he going to be a guy that you could potentially

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<v Speaker 3>sprinkle into the defense, will even up earning a role

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<v Speaker 3>on the defense, We don't know. But when you're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about low risk, high reward signings. I think Isaiah Simmons

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<v Speaker 3>might take the cake because the more I was listening

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<v Speaker 3>to Matt Lafleur discussed, you know, the conversations with him,

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<v Speaker 3>they brought him in for a visit, they signed him

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<v Speaker 3>two weeks later after the draft, when they didn't really

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<v Speaker 3>add any other inside linebackers, natural inside linebackers, right, So

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<v Speaker 3>it almost in a way sort of felt like the

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<v Speaker 3>Devandre Campbell's signing to me in twenty twenty one, where

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<v Speaker 3>it's this guy that's sort of sitting out there trying

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<v Speaker 3>to find the right opportunity and ultimately he settles on

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<v Speaker 3>green back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's an interesting way to look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>And with regard to bringing Simmons in for a visit

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<v Speaker 2>and then you know it, at the signing ends up happening.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple weeks later, we heard from Matt Lafleur like

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<v Speaker 2>they were doing some more checking. They checked with Xavier

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<v Speaker 2>McKinney because he played with them, you know, with the Giants,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, they were wanting to get more opinions

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<v Speaker 2>and more thoughts about him and whatnot. The two thumbs

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<v Speaker 2>up came from Xavier McKay and that was a factor

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<v Speaker 2>in that move as well. The most curious one for

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<v Speaker 2>me that I am I am interested to see what

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<v Speaker 2>results from it is the change at defensive line coach. Yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>DeMarcus Covington being brought in to take over running the

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<v Speaker 2>Packers defensive line with with Jason Rebovich being being let go.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason this one stands out to me so much

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<v Speaker 2>is because for all of the discussion outside the building

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<v Speaker 2>about what are the Packers going to do about their

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<v Speaker 2>pass rush?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, et cetera, et cetera. And we heard.

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<v Speaker 2>From we heard from Brian Gutakunst at the combine in Indianapolis,

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<v Speaker 2>at the owners meetings down in Florida. He has a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of confidence in the players in that defensive front room,

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<v Speaker 2>the guys who are going to make up the pass rush. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, Hey, guys need to progress, they need to

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<v Speaker 2>get better. They need to be more consistent, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>more reliable. You know, the as we talked about on

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<v Speaker 2>the last show. The progression is from guys like Lucas

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<v Speaker 2>van Ness the a little little more consistency and reliability

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<v Speaker 2>is expected from Rashaun Garry, the you know, the veteran guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and also from the interior guys Kenny Clark, DeVante Wyatt,

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<v Speaker 2>the guys who have been who have been there, done

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<v Speaker 2>that to this point, you know, need to need to

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<v Speaker 2>step up their games as well. But hearing all of

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<v Speaker 2>that throughout the off season about how Brian Gudokum's felt

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<v Speaker 2>about the Packers pass rush tells me they really feel

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<v Speaker 2>that Covington can make a difference with this unit, can

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<v Speaker 2>take the guys that the Packers have and get more

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<v Speaker 2>out of them and uh and try to push that

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<v Speaker 2>group forward in the way that in the way that's

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<v Speaker 2>been envisioned. So that's the one that has that has

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<v Speaker 2>my curiosity. And I think it's also and this was

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<v Speaker 2>pointed out a month or so ago by an insider

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<v Speaker 2>inbox reader, and I apologize for forgetting exactly who it was,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's also a very shrewd move on Matt Lafleur's

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<v Speaker 2>part to bring in a guy like Covington. He had

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<v Speaker 2>just risen over the last handful of years. He'd risen

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<v Speaker 2>from the bottom of the totem poll on Bill Belichick's

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<v Speaker 2>coaching staff in New England all the way up to

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<v Speaker 2>defensive coordinator for Jared Mayo in the first year after

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<v Speaker 2>Belichick is gone from the Patriots, and now New England

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<v Speaker 2>decided to clean house with the Mayo coaching staff, and

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<v Speaker 2>so this guy becomes available. But he's considered still a

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<v Speaker 2>rising star in the coaching ranks. He has a year

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<v Speaker 2>of experience as a defensive coordinator in the NFL, and

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<v Speaker 2>we all know that all it took was one year

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<v Speaker 2>for Jeff Hafley to be here, and he was getting

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<v Speaker 2>some overtures for possible head coach vacancy. So in that

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<v Speaker 2>larger picture of things, I think a very shrewd and

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<v Speaker 2>also intriguing and curious higher by Mattliffe.

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<v Speaker 3>And while you are not wrong with the Jeff Hafley comparison,

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<v Speaker 3>I almost look at it, especially once I read more

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<v Speaker 3>about Comington's you know, credentials, He almost kind of reminds

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<v Speaker 3>me more of the Anthony Campinelli type higher where Campinelli

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<v Speaker 3>was rising through the ranks, was well respected as a

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<v Speaker 3>linebackers coach with Miami. He came here for one year

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<v Speaker 3>and now he's gonna be the defensive corner of the

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<v Speaker 3>Jacksonville Jaguars. Like That's the sort of trajectory Covington was on,

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<v Speaker 3>and obviously, unfortunately New England kind of had to restart

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<v Speaker 3>this year, and certainly I think there was that I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to call an infatuation, but definitely that flirtation

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<v Speaker 3>with Mike Rabel going back there and you know, taking

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<v Speaker 3>that over and sort of continuing that even though he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't coach for him, that Bill Belichickian sort of mantra

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<v Speaker 3>that they've developed there. So Coventin's available, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's a great example of a guy coming in here

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<v Speaker 3>now where this is a big undertaking for the Packers,

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<v Speaker 3>and he also I think took on the run game

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<v Speaker 3>coordinator role as well, where you're trying to maintain what

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<v Speaker 3>you did against the run last year, as you've pointed out,

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<v Speaker 3>while improving upon the natural pass rush and getting more

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<v Speaker 3>out of those edge rushers. It's a big undertaking, but

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<v Speaker 3>he has a ton of weapons and a ton of

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<v Speaker 3>depth to be able to try doing.

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<v Speaker 2>That question number three. I really like the comparison to

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<v Speaker 2>the Campanelli higher though. By the way, that's a thank you, Tom,

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's nicely done. Appreciate appreciate the addition to my

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<v Speaker 2>answer that question question number three. For you, what off

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<v Speaker 2>season move the Packers have made do you expect to

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<v Speaker 2>pay the most immediate dividends, the most the greatest immediate impact.

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<v Speaker 1>Which one would you go?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what you touched on it. I'm gonna pull

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<v Speaker 3>it back all right, and I'm gonna say Nate Hobbs signing, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>because here here's the thing you have to edit my

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<v Speaker 3>cider inbox column. Congratulations on that. And one of the

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<v Speaker 3>points I raised this week is the walls are breaking

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<v Speaker 3>down here between what teams consider to be perimeter cornerbacks

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<v Speaker 3>and slot nickel cornerbacks. There was a time I'll never

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<v Speaker 3>forget this in twenty fourteen where the Packers had this gridlock,

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<v Speaker 3>this logjam of cornerbacks. They couldn't get Devon House on

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<v Speaker 3>the field because he didn't play inside, but they had

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of options outside with Tremont Williams and I

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<v Speaker 3>believe at that time Sam Shields and what was his

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<v Speaker 3>Pro Bowl season after he resigned, So they had guys

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<v Speaker 3>they felt like could play, but they just couldn't get

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<v Speaker 3>him on the field. Now you're seeing this Nate Hobbs,

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<v Speaker 3>Keyshawn Nixon type of cornerback that depending on where you

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<v Speaker 3>need them, what the scheme is, what the game is,

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<v Speaker 3>what the matchups are and also what the injury situation

0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:32.600
<v Speaker 3>is where you can move these guys around. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think you're seeing that type of versatility and the value

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<v Speaker 3>in that versatility league wide. And as you and I

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<v Speaker 3>discussed with Hobbs and his signing, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>projection there, but there's some proven ability to play both

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<v Speaker 3>inside and outside based on his time with the Raiders. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>all that being said, another analogy I threw out there,

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<v Speaker 3>another argument that I made in inbox was we always

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<v Speaker 3>look at these starting fives of offensive lines in the versatility,

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<v Speaker 3>I think you almost need maintain the same type of

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<v Speaker 3>approach with a secondary because in a lot of cases,

0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.280
<v Speaker 3>much like an offensive line, those guys are going to

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<v Speaker 3>be out there. Four of them certainly are likely going

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<v Speaker 3>to be out there at all times. Yeah, maybe five,

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<v Speaker 3>depending on what the matchup is. If you have that

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<v Speaker 3>many players that you're counting on to be on the field,

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<v Speaker 3>you have to have not only depth, but versatility to

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<v Speaker 3>replace that depth if injuries occur. I think Hobbs is

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be a big part of that for Jeff Hafley's defense.

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<v Speaker 3>And also the exciting thing is too last year it

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<v Speaker 3>was Halfley trying to figure out a lot of these

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<v Speaker 3>pieces that Green Bay already had in fitting them into

0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.040
<v Speaker 3>his defense. Now he's having the opportunity to look at

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<v Speaker 3>a guy like Nate Abbs and say, you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>I can do something with that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's a good point. My answer on

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<v Speaker 2>the most immediate dividends, I was actually going to go

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<v Speaker 2>with Brandon McManus on this because of just the idea

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<v Speaker 2>that for the first time in three years, the Packers

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<v Speaker 2>are heading heading into an off season, a training camp,

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<v Speaker 2>the start of a season with no questions about kickers

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<v Speaker 2>right since moving on from from Mason Crosby.

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<v Speaker 1>So first time in three years they're in that.

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<v Speaker 3>A better way of saying what I tried to say

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<v Speaker 3>in the first time, it's just it was it was

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<v Speaker 3>just it's not like Alex Haleyeah with him exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>There are no questions about that position for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time in three years. I will go a slightly different direction,

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<v Speaker 2>but also rehash a little bit of what we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about on our next show. As far as immediate dividends,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it could be the selection of Matthew Golden

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<v Speaker 2>at the top of the draft in the first round,

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<v Speaker 2>because we saw and We've talked about so often, how

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<v Speaker 2>different team, how different lee defenses have to defend the Packers.

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<v Speaker 2>When Christian Watson is on the field, with the speed

0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:43.920
<v Speaker 2>that he brings and that and that fear that he

0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:48.600
<v Speaker 2>strikes of the big play, it just it dictates defensive alignments,

0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.840
<v Speaker 2>It dictates the way teams scheme up against you. And

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<v Speaker 2>when Watson has not been available, that's been that's made

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<v Speaker 2>things a lot harder on the Packers offense. So until

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<v Speaker 2>you get Christian Watson back sometime later in the fall,

0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.040
<v Speaker 2>second half of the season, whatever it's going to be,

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<v Speaker 2>even though he's golden, is a completely different player in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of body type and a different type of receiver.

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<v Speaker 2>You have replaced Christian Watson speed. Now you are putting

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<v Speaker 2>a guy on the field with that speed element that

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<v Speaker 2>defenses are going to have to account for now. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's why that would be my other answer to paying

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<v Speaker 2>the most immediate dividends, last one for you before I'll

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<v Speaker 2>take care of some sponsor business. Most surprising offensive off

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<v Speaker 2>season excuse me move for you?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean it's probably the Elton Jenkins him going

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<v Speaker 3>to center. I didn't anticipate that. I thought there was

0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:47.080
<v Speaker 3>a chance that Josh Meyers wouldn't be back. I remember,

0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.320
<v Speaker 3>I could tell you exactly what it seems like whenever

0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.399
<v Speaker 3>we always much as you and I joke about, like

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<v Speaker 3>when you go on PTO, something big usually happens. It

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<v Speaker 3>does seem like whenever the Packers make an unrestricted free

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<v Speaker 3>agency signing, like I'm always doing something. I'm out in

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<v Speaker 3>the area I'll never forget. I got done running over

0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:07.439
<v Speaker 3>at Meadowbrook Park in Howard, Wisconsin. I got back to

0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:11.560
<v Speaker 3>my car, I'm winded out of shape, sweating, and I'm

0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:13.159
<v Speaker 3>just leaning against my car and I pull out my

0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.920
<v Speaker 3>phone and says the Packers have signed Aaron Banks. And

0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.280
<v Speaker 3>immediately I'm like, okay, the guard from San Francisco. And

0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking to myself, like, did he play center at

0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:27.160
<v Speaker 3>Notre Dame, Like as I just remembered him being the guy, yeah,

0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:31.720
<v Speaker 3>that replaced Quintin Nelson and then got drafted and basically

0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:33.879
<v Speaker 3>started a bulk of four years for San Francisco. And

0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:37.800
<v Speaker 3>it's like, no, he didn't. So once you step back

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<v Speaker 3>from it, it's a very logical move. I would take

0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.760
<v Speaker 3>Elton Jenkins at center over any of these guys that

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<v Speaker 3>were available on the market. I don't know a lot

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<v Speaker 3>about the draft class. But in terms of the unrestricted

0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:53.080
<v Speaker 3>free agents, we saw Atlanta, I should say from Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 3>The Bears sign was at Chris Dolman. I'm trying remember

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<v Speaker 3>what his name was, the new center that they got there.

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<v Speaker 3>I take Elton over that guy, like, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 3>just it's just the way that this thing goes, so uh,

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<v Speaker 3>it surprised me. But that being said, uh, once you

0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:11.480
<v Speaker 3>step back a little bit, you start to understand the

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<v Speaker 3>method of the madness, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that was but that was my pick as well.

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<v Speaker 2>In terms of the signing of Aaron Banks, I thought

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<v Speaker 2>that was the most surprising. Dalmon Dalmon, Yes, no, that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't come to me right away either. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna say Drew and then I couldn't think of

0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.320
<v Speaker 2>the last name. So but no, I think the Bank

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<v Speaker 2>signing was surprising because as we headed into free agency,

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<v Speaker 2>all the talk goes, Okay, are the Packers gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>something at receiver? Are they gonna do something you know

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<v Speaker 2>with uh with the pass rush? Where are they gonna

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<v Speaker 2>spend the money? And then and then you know, boom,

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<v Speaker 2>the first the first one we find out about Oh,

0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:49.320
<v Speaker 2>it's an offensive lineman and they're gonna take their two

0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:51.800
<v Speaker 2>time Pro Bowl guard and kick them over to center.

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<v Speaker 2>So I agree with you on that one being surprising.

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<v Speaker 2>The other one I'll throw out there because it it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of goes along with with what you were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about with Isaiah Simmons. But it's a it's bringing in

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<v Speaker 2>Mkole Hardman at at wide receiver because he wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>guy at the top of free agent market or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that at at wide receiver. And when it didn't

0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:18.000
<v Speaker 2>surprise me that Gudakuns didn't go there at receiver, I

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<v Speaker 2>did feel that he was going to go into this

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<v Speaker 2>draft and I said it many times an insider inbox,

0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:23.560
<v Speaker 2>that he was going to try to look for the

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<v Speaker 2>next Christian Watson in this draft or the or you know,

0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:28.960
<v Speaker 2>the next potential guy like that. And he did draft

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<v Speaker 2>the fastest, the fastest receiver of all the guys at

0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:36.880
<v Speaker 2>the combine. But once uh, you know, once free agency

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<v Speaker 2>had sort of been going for a while I and

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<v Speaker 2>the draft is still hanging out there, I didn't I

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't expect him to bring in any receiver to

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<v Speaker 2>a room that is already you know, kind of crowded

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<v Speaker 2>when you've got when you've got a you know, wide

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<v Speaker 2>receiver five six types like Malie Keith and bow Melton

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<v Speaker 2>who had played and done some things and contributed in

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<v Speaker 2>games and and still trying to establish themselves in the league.

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<v Speaker 2>That you know, bringing in a veteran like Hardman, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of later in free agency into that room. Now

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna look at him as a returner. He's got

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<v Speaker 2>some he's got some other abilities as far as different

0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:13.359
<v Speaker 2>ways to get him the ball kind of thing like

0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Lake Sabean Williams. But just that, you know, that move

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<v Speaker 2>kind of surprised me because at that at that point

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<v Speaker 2>in free agency I just didn't necessarily think the Packers

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be looking at wide receivers there.

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<v Speaker 3>The one thing that Brian has done, Godkuns has done

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<v Speaker 3>an exceptional job of is he definitely has kicked the

0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:33.920
<v Speaker 3>tires on players, more veteran players, more than Ted did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Ted would do it occasionally, and it would usually end

0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:39.320
<v Speaker 3>up being like during training camp when like a Cedric

0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.480
<v Speaker 3>Benson would come in because there's just a deluge of

0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:45.040
<v Speaker 3>injuries at a position like for example, in that case,

0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:48.320
<v Speaker 3>running back. Brian since the day he got hired. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I think a Byron Bell and some of these other

0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:53.600
<v Speaker 3>guys I mean certainly Mercedes Lewis coming in and ended

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<v Speaker 3>up playing five years for him. These guys that aren't

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<v Speaker 3>the top of the wire, guys that are affected the

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<v Speaker 3>pensatory process. Brian has been willing to take a look,

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<v Speaker 3>and sometimes it doesn't work out, but then sometimes you

0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:09.080
<v Speaker 3>do find somebody. And that's one thing I think the

0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:11.960
<v Speaker 3>Packers have definitely benefited from over the last five six years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, Well, one other topic I want to

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<v Speaker 2>To hit on today because and I wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this before the draft. The draft being hosted by

0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:48.919
<v Speaker 2>Green Bay gets too far into the rearview mirror. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we can all agree that bringing the Draft to

0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Green Bay, and as successful as the entire production was,

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<v Speaker 2>the crowds, the spectacle, everything with the stage, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the selections of Golden and Currel in the fourth round

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<v Speaker 2>and just all that, the whole thing kind of becomes

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<v Speaker 2>the crown jewel of Mark Murphy's tenure as president of

0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:12.719
<v Speaker 2>the Green Bay Packers. And we know he is retiring

0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:17.560
<v Speaker 2>later this summer. So my last question to you for

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<v Speaker 2>this show is, aside from bringing the Draft to Green Bay,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you feel will be the biggest part of

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Murphy's legacy when he officially retires.

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<v Speaker 3>Lambeaufield, Yeah, title Town, everything that has been developed in

0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:44.520
<v Speaker 3>just the amazing advancement of this organization, in this franchise,

0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:48.200
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the Green Bay Packers. We obviously always will

0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:51.880
<v Speaker 3>give respect to Bob Harlan, his foresight, the need that

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<v Speaker 3>for the renovations and the Lambefield Atrium, but for Mark

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<v Speaker 3>to keep his foot on the gas throat all that.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you listen to this and you see it

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<v Speaker 3>now at the nfl PA rankings every year, the amount

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<v Speaker 3>of investment this team makes in its football facilities you're

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<v Speaker 3>seeing on the east side of the stadium the development

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<v Speaker 3>of Title Town and a place that my son will

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<v Speaker 3>go and ice skate at and play in the playground at.

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<v Speaker 3>In Mike Frankly, the position that I'm in right now,

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<v Speaker 3>the Green Bay Packers, the way that this organization has grown.

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<v Speaker 3>From a staffing perspective. You can go talk to some

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<v Speaker 3>of the people who have been here since the nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>nineties and you can look at the old media guides

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<v Speaker 3>and there's thirty five employees and there were over three hundred,

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<v Speaker 3>and that just shows you the vision and being able

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<v Speaker 3>to keep up in this race with billion dollar teams

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<v Speaker 3>in some of the richest people in the world that

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<v Speaker 3>own some of these ball clubs, that are the majority

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<v Speaker 3>owners of these ball clubs. I just you want to

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<v Speaker 3>win a Super Bowl, and the Packers did that as

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<v Speaker 3>well underneath Mark Murphy's tenure. You want to go to

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<v Speaker 3>the playoffs. They did that thirteen times more than any

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<v Speaker 3>other team over the last seventeen years during Mark Murphy's tenure.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the end of the day, it's taking this

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<v Speaker 3>little light on the hill and making sure that that

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<v Speaker 3>light doesn't stop shining. And Murphy definitely did that, so

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<v Speaker 3>we got another couple months here to enjoy Mark before

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<v Speaker 3>the transition to ED policy, who I think is going

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<v Speaker 3>to do a fantastic job. But I tell people this

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<v Speaker 3>all the time, and I wrote about it an inbox

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<v Speaker 3>again today. If I did anything here, if you did

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<v Speaker 3>anything here, I just hope it's that we really told

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<v Speaker 3>people who Mark was, who he is, and just the

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<v Speaker 3>type of leader, CEO president. It didn't matter if it

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<v Speaker 3>was the Green Bay Pawkers or a local tire shop.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the guy knows people, and he knows employees,

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<v Speaker 3>and he knows how to lead, and he knows how

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<v Speaker 3>to get people behind him. And I think the draft

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<v Speaker 3>coming here is a good example that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what lambeau Field became in two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 2>it was very much a part of one of the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest pieces of Bob Harlan's legacy, among several big pieces

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<v Speaker 2>to his legacy during his tenure as president. What lambeau

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<v Speaker 2>Field and the entire Lambeufield campus, if you will looks

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<v Speaker 2>like now is is definitely part of Mark Murphy's legacy.

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<v Speaker 2>The other the other thing I will say that I

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<v Speaker 2>think will be very interesting to see because the Packers

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<v Speaker 2>the Packers are competing for championships. We know that they

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<v Speaker 2>are close, and you know been to with the current regime.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Gudokuntz, Matt Lafleur been to a couple of NSC

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<v Speaker 2>championship games, almost got there, didn't quite work out. But

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<v Speaker 2>if this if this regime as currently constructed with Brian

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<v Speaker 2>Gudokunz running the football operations and Matt Lafuur being the

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<v Speaker 2>head coach, if they are able to win a Super Bowl,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't forget that. Mark Murphy hired both of those guys.

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<v Speaker 2>So part of I think there is potentially potentially a

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<v Speaker 2>big piece of his legacy that maybe hasn't been written yet.

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<v Speaker 1>So I throw that out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Excellent point, Mike. And the other thing I will mention,

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<v Speaker 3>I've said this numerous times. You know how this league works.

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<v Speaker 3>You and I see it. There's franchises every two years.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like they're changing a GM, a head coach,

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<v Speaker 3>people that are in a position of power. Mark Murphy,

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<v Speaker 3>seventeen plus years, he hired one general manager, one head coach,

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<v Speaker 3>and the Packers drafted one quarterback in the first round.

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<v Speaker 3>That's something special.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>be talking about the twenty twenty five schedules.

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<v Speaker 1>So for Wes, I am Mike, thank you for tuning in. Everybody,

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