1 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. 2 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Packers unscripted from Packers dot Com. 3 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: I am like Spofford, joined by the one and only 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 2: Wes Hodkowitz. 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: We're coming to you. 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: Hear from our studios at lambeau Field. Wes our comeback episode. 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,159 Speaker 2: I know you don't want to call it that, but 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: I'm going to our comeback episode. On Tuesday, we reviewed 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: the off season to this point for the Green Bay Packers, 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: looking at various key positions and how things have changed 11 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: shape for the twenty twenty five Packers. I want to 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: continue to review the twenty twenty five off season to 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: this point, but in a little bit different way in 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: that I'm going to throw a question at you, okay, 15 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: and then I'll let you answer it, and then I 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: will also answer it. And as usual, I didn't prep 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: you with the questions in advance. You're perhaps going to 18 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: steal one of my answers and I will just have 19 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: to react. 20 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: And deal with it if that happens. 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 3: Nice. 22 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: But first question, of all of the off season moves 23 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: the Packers have made, and here where I'm talking about 24 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: signings in free agency, re signing your own players, what's 25 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: happened in the draft, what's happened with the coaching staff, 26 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: like any and everything that encompasses the Packers off season. 27 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 2: What would you point to right now as the most 28 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 2: significant Brandon McManus. 29 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 3: Okay, and let's just be honest, Mike. I mean, the 30 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: green Bay Packers went through a roller coaster through the 31 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 3: first relatively month and a half, and really the whole 32 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 3: off season I think they went and cycled through was 33 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: at seven different kickers before ultimately McManus ended up coming 34 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 3: and sort of saving the season for green Bay. The 35 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: fact that the Packers ranked in the middle of the 36 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 3: pack and field goal accuracy after how things started. In 37 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 3: no disrespect to Brandon Narvisen, but you had a rookie 38 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: kicker coming in that gets claimed at the end of 39 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: kay and has to come in and he's in a 40 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: new spot, and I felt like McManus was the one 41 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 3: that started the turnaround for green Bay special teams. It 42 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 3: felt like, yes, it was the field goal unit and 43 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 3: all of that, but it also just felt like everything 44 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 3: sort of synked up a little bit more in You 45 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 3: and I on Tuesday's show, we were discussing these different 46 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: positions and potential battles. Michael, when was the last time 47 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 3: the Packers on this day, you know, in May of 48 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, third week of the offseason program, have 49 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: had one kicker, one punter in one long snapper in 50 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: addition to obviously Alex Hale the international player exemption. But 51 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 3: right now, it's about his stables. It's been in years 52 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 3: as far as being able to maintain and keep Brandon 53 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 3: McManus in the fold and for him to have the 54 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 3: season that he had with only two miss field goals 55 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 3: the entire way. Certainly one of them was obviously in 56 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: the game against Philadelphia, but this was such a massive 57 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 3: sing for Green Bay in the middle of the season, 58 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 3: and to be able to extend him and keep him around, 59 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 3: I think is going to have a huge impact on 60 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 3: those we fence and the special teams units going forward. 61 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like that. I like that choice. I 62 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: think for me as far as as of right now 63 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: looking at things right now, the one that I feel 64 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: is the most significant was the free agent signing of 65 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: Nate Hobbs at cornerback. And I say that for a 66 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: couple reasons. One, obviously, the situation with Jay or Alexander 67 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 2: is still not resolved. We're not quite sure where that's 68 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: gonna go. At the time that the Packers made the 69 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: signing of Hobbs, there there wasn't any certainty as to 70 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: as to how things were gonna unfold with Alexander, So 71 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: so it's significant from that standpoint. I think it's also significant, 72 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: as we talked about on our last show, how the 73 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: Packers are investing in another defensive back who they feel 74 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: they can line up in different places. You know, it's 75 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: another key Sewn Nixon, who whom they feel can line 76 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: up and defend on the boundary but also line up 77 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: and and play in the slot, and giving Jeff Haffley 78 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: and this defense that many you know, yet another movable 79 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 2: part among many movable parts in his secondary And then 80 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: the other reason I would say it was significant. And 81 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: this is a little bit sort of revisionist history in 82 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 2: a weird sort of way if you follow if you 83 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: follow along here, But I think but it became significant 84 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 2: because the I would have I would have almost bet 85 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: my house that the Packers were going to draft a 86 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: cornerback within the first four rounds of this draft, not 87 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: saying it was had to be the first round pick, 88 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: but I thought just within the first one hundred and 89 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: fifty picks of this draft, the Packers were going to 90 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: take a cornerback and the board just didn't fall that 91 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: way for them. I think if the board falls a 92 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: certain way, they probably do, but the board didn't fall 93 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 2: that way, and they end up actually not getting a 94 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: cornerback until the seventh round with Micah Robinson and then 95 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: as I mentioned, also bringing in a highly touted, undrafted 96 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: player in Jonathan Baldwin who many people thought would be drafted. 97 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: But the reason that it makes the Hobbs signing that 98 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 2: much more significant, not only because of just what you 99 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 2: did for the cornerback room and bringing in a veteran, 100 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 2: but with the board not falling the way you were 101 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: hoping or maybe thinking it would fall during the draft, 102 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 2: they didn't have to just go out and reach for 103 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: a cornerback and oh, we got to make sure we 104 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 2: get one of these guys before they're gone. The signing 105 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: of Hobbs, like even with the cornerback board didn't fall 106 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: quite right in the draft, but Brian Gudacunz could still 107 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: just sit back and say, hey, it's okay, We're all right, 108 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: you know we you know, the Alexander thing is still 109 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 2: up in the air. But we brought in Hobbs, we 110 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: have Nixon, There's Carrington Valentine, you know there. So I 111 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: think the I think the Hobbs signing was was really 112 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: significant for a lot of reasons. There question number two, 113 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: which off season move of everything that has happened to 114 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 2: this point, are you most curious to see. 115 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: What results from it? 116 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: Oo? 117 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: Wow, I know that's a tough one. 118 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 3: Mike's I'm putting off for bringing fast On. 119 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: I'm putting you, I'm putting you on the spot here. 120 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: Okay, So this is accounting the draft class as well. Sure, yeah, 121 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 3: it's the use I could answer this two ways. Okay, 122 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 3: but can I start with the draft class? Pudes, because 123 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 3: we were asking me the question, which which move entices 124 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 3: me the most? Which will move I'm most excited to 125 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 3: see it's saveon Williams because it's just because when you 126 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 3: have a guy that is utilized the way he was 127 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 3: utilized at TCU, and I think you and I would 128 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: both agree just based on the depth of the received position, 129 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 3: he's not going to have that many opportunities, you would think. 130 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 3: I mean, it was like they were building the whole 131 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: offense around him. Uh. At Texas Christian so what aspects 132 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: of him his game. Does Matt Lafleur, Adam Stenovich, Jason 133 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 3: Rabel do they look to extract and utilize right out 134 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 3: of the gate, because I think he can help them, 135 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 3: But I couldn't tell you, based on his workload and 136 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 3: the multitude of ways that he was utilized in college, 137 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: exactly what he's going to do in Green Bay. Okay, 138 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: Be that as it may. The Isaiah Simmons one is 139 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: really interesting to me with the Packers signing him, and 140 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 3: it was the last move they've made in the free 141 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 3: agency window here. But this guy is five years removed 142 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 3: from being the eighth overall pick in the NFL Draft 143 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: and he's never missed a game because of injury. Incredibly durable, 144 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 3: played a lot of football for the Arizona Cardinals the 145 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 3: first two and a half years, and it's just sort 146 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 3: of been trying to find his spot, you know, ever 147 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 3: since that Cliff Kingsbury era ended in Arizona. So is 148 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 3: he going to be on special teams? You know? Is 149 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 3: he going to be a guy that you could potentially 150 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: sprinkle into the defense, will even up earning a role 151 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: on the defense, We don't know. But when you're talking 152 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 3: about low risk, high reward signings. I think Isaiah Simmons 153 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: might take the cake because the more I was listening 154 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: to Matt Lafleur discussed, you know, the conversations with him, 155 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 3: they brought him in for a visit, they signed him 156 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 3: two weeks later after the draft, when they didn't really 157 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: add any other inside linebackers, natural inside linebackers, right, So 158 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 3: it almost in a way sort of felt like the 159 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 3: Devandre Campbell's signing to me in twenty twenty one, where 160 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: it's this guy that's sort of sitting out there trying 161 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 3: to find the right opportunity and ultimately he settles on 162 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 3: green back. 163 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting way to look at it. 164 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: And with regard to bringing Simmons in for a visit 165 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: and then you know it, at the signing ends up happening. 166 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: A couple weeks later, we heard from Matt Lafleur like 167 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 2: they were doing some more checking. They checked with Xavier 168 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 2: McKinney because he played with them, you know, with the Giants, 169 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: and you know, they were wanting to get more opinions 170 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: and more thoughts about him and whatnot. The two thumbs 171 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 2: up came from Xavier McKay and that was a factor 172 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: in that move as well. The most curious one for 173 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 2: me that I am I am interested to see what 174 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 2: results from it is the change at defensive line coach. Yeah, sure, 175 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: DeMarcus Covington being brought in to take over running the 176 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: Packers defensive line with with Jason Rebovich being being let go. 177 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: The reason this one stands out to me so much 178 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: is because for all of the discussion outside the building 179 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: about what are the Packers going to do about their 180 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 2: pass rush? 181 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: You know, et cetera, et cetera. And we heard. 182 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: From we heard from Brian Gutakunst at the combine in Indianapolis, 183 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 2: at the owners meetings down in Florida. He has a 184 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 2: lot of confidence in the players in that defensive front room, 185 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 2: the guys who are going to make up the pass rush. Now, 186 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: he said, Hey, guys need to progress, they need to 187 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: get better. They need to be more consistent, you know, 188 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: more reliable. You know, the as we talked about on 189 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: the last show. The progression is from guys like Lucas 190 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 2: van Ness the a little little more consistency and reliability 191 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: is expected from Rashaun Garry, the you know, the veteran guy, 192 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: and also from the interior guys Kenny Clark, DeVante Wyatt, 193 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: the guys who have been who have been there, done 194 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: that to this point, you know, need to need to 195 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: step up their games as well. But hearing all of 196 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: that throughout the off season about how Brian Gudokum's felt 197 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 2: about the Packers pass rush tells me they really feel 198 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: that Covington can make a difference with this unit, can 199 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: take the guys that the Packers have and get more 200 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: out of them and uh and try to push that 201 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: group forward in the way that in the way that's 202 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: been envisioned. So that's the one that has that has 203 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 2: my curiosity. And I think it's also and this was 204 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: pointed out a month or so ago by an insider 205 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: inbox reader, and I apologize for forgetting exactly who it was, 206 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: but it's also a very shrewd move on Matt Lafleur's 207 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: part to bring in a guy like Covington. He had 208 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 2: just risen over the last handful of years. He'd risen 209 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 2: from the bottom of the totem poll on Bill Belichick's 210 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 2: coaching staff in New England all the way up to 211 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: defensive coordinator for Jared Mayo in the first year after 212 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: Belichick is gone from the Patriots, and now New England 213 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: decided to clean house with the Mayo coaching staff, and 214 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: so this guy becomes available. But he's considered still a 215 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: rising star in the coaching ranks. He has a year 216 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: of experience as a defensive coordinator in the NFL, and 217 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: we all know that all it took was one year 218 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: for Jeff Hafley to be here, and he was getting 219 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: some overtures for possible head coach vacancy. So in that 220 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: larger picture of things, I think a very shrewd and 221 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 2: also intriguing and curious higher by Mattliffe. 222 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 3: And while you are not wrong with the Jeff Hafley comparison, 223 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 3: I almost look at it, especially once I read more 224 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 3: about Comington's you know, credentials, He almost kind of reminds 225 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 3: me more of the Anthony Campinelli type higher where Campinelli 226 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 3: was rising through the ranks, was well respected as a 227 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 3: linebackers coach with Miami. He came here for one year 228 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 3: and now he's gonna be the defensive corner of the 229 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 3: Jacksonville Jaguars. Like That's the sort of trajectory Covington was on, 230 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 3: and obviously, unfortunately New England kind of had to restart 231 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 3: this year, and certainly I think there was that I 232 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: don't want to call an infatuation, but definitely that flirtation 233 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 3: with Mike Rabel going back there and you know, taking 234 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 3: that over and sort of continuing that even though he 235 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 3: didn't coach for him, that Bill Belichickian sort of mantra 236 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 3: that they've developed there. So Coventin's available, and I think 237 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 3: it's a great example of a guy coming in here 238 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 3: now where this is a big undertaking for the Packers, 239 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 3: and he also I think took on the run game 240 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: coordinator role as well, where you're trying to maintain what 241 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: you did against the run last year, as you've pointed out, 242 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 3: while improving upon the natural pass rush and getting more 243 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 3: out of those edge rushers. It's a big undertaking, but 244 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 3: he has a ton of weapons and a ton of 245 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: depth to be able to try doing. 246 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 2: That question number three. I really like the comparison to 247 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: the Campanelli higher though. By the way, that's a thank you, Tom, 248 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: That's that's nicely done. Appreciate appreciate the addition to my 249 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 2: answer that question question number three. For you, what off 250 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: season move the Packers have made do you expect to 251 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: pay the most immediate dividends, the most the greatest immediate impact. 252 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: Which one would you go? 253 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 3: You know what you touched on it. I'm gonna pull 254 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 3: it back all right, and I'm gonna say Nate Hobbs signing, okay, 255 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 3: because here here's the thing you have to edit my 256 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: cider inbox column. Congratulations on that. And one of the 257 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 3: points I raised this week is the walls are breaking 258 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 3: down here between what teams consider to be perimeter cornerbacks 259 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 3: and slot nickel cornerbacks. There was a time I'll never 260 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 3: forget this in twenty fourteen where the Packers had this gridlock, 261 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 3: this logjam of cornerbacks. They couldn't get Devon House on 262 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 3: the field because he didn't play inside, but they had 263 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 3: a lot of options outside with Tremont Williams and I 264 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 3: believe at that time Sam Shields and what was his 265 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 3: Pro Bowl season after he resigned, So they had guys 266 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 3: they felt like could play, but they just couldn't get 267 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: him on the field. Now you're seeing this Nate Hobbs, 268 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 3: Keyshawn Nixon type of cornerback that depending on where you 269 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 3: need them, what the scheme is, what the game is, 270 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: what the matchups are and also what the injury situation 271 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 3: is where you can move these guys around. And I 272 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 3: think you're seeing that type of versatility and the value 273 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 3: in that versatility league wide. And as you and I 274 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 3: discussed with Hobbs and his signing, there's a lot of 275 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 3: projection there, but there's some proven ability to play both 276 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 3: inside and outside based on his time with the Raiders. Now, 277 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 3: all that being said, another analogy I threw out there, 278 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 3: another argument that I made in inbox was we always 279 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 3: look at these starting fives of offensive lines in the versatility, 280 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 3: I think you almost need maintain the same type of 281 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 3: approach with a secondary because in a lot of cases, 282 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 3: much like an offensive line, those guys are going to 283 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 3: be out there. Four of them certainly are likely going 284 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: to be out there at all times. Yeah, maybe five, 285 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: depending on what the matchup is. If you have that 286 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: many players that you're counting on to be on the field, 287 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: you have to have not only depth, but versatility to 288 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 3: replace that depth if injuries occur. I think Hobbs is 289 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 3: gonna be a big part of that for Jeff Hafley's defense. 290 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 3: And also the exciting thing is too last year it 291 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 3: was Halfley trying to figure out a lot of these 292 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 3: pieces that Green Bay already had in fitting them into 293 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 3: his defense. Now he's having the opportunity to look at 294 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: a guy like Nate Abbs and say, you know what, 295 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 3: I can do something with that guy. 296 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 297 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a good point. My answer on 298 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: the most immediate dividends, I was actually going to go 299 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: with Brandon McManus on this because of just the idea 300 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: that for the first time in three years, the Packers 301 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: are heading heading into an off season, a training camp, 302 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: the start of a season with no questions about kickers 303 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: right since moving on from from Mason Crosby. 304 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: So first time in three years they're in that. 305 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 3: A better way of saying what I tried to say 306 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 3: in the first time, it's just it was it was 307 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 3: just it's not like Alex Haleyeah with him exactly. 308 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: There are no questions about that position for the first 309 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: time in three years. I will go a slightly different direction, 310 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: but also rehash a little bit of what we talked 311 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: about on our next show. As far as immediate dividends, 312 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: I think it could be the selection of Matthew Golden 313 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: at the top of the draft in the first round, 314 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: because we saw and We've talked about so often, how 315 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: different team, how different lee defenses have to defend the Packers. 316 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: When Christian Watson is on the field, with the speed 317 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: that he brings and that and that fear that he 318 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: strikes of the big play, it just it dictates defensive alignments, 319 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: It dictates the way teams scheme up against you. And 320 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 2: when Watson has not been available, that's been that's made 321 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: things a lot harder on the Packers offense. So until 322 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: you get Christian Watson back sometime later in the fall, 323 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: second half of the season, whatever it's going to be, 324 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: even though he's golden, is a completely different player in 325 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: terms of body type and a different type of receiver. 326 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 2: You have replaced Christian Watson speed. Now you are putting 327 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 2: a guy on the field with that speed element that 328 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 2: defenses are going to have to account for now. So 329 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 2: that's why that would be my other answer to paying 330 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: the most immediate dividends, last one for you before I'll 331 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: take care of some sponsor business. Most surprising offensive off 332 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: season excuse me move for you? 333 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's probably the Elton Jenkins him going 334 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 3: to center. I didn't anticipate that. I thought there was 335 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: a chance that Josh Meyers wouldn't be back. I remember, 336 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 3: I could tell you exactly what it seems like whenever 337 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 3: we always much as you and I joke about, like 338 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 3: when you go on PTO, something big usually happens. It 339 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 3: does seem like whenever the Packers make an unrestricted free 340 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 3: agency signing, like I'm always doing something. I'm out in 341 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 3: the area I'll never forget. I got done running over 342 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 3: at Meadowbrook Park in Howard, Wisconsin. I got back to 343 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 3: my car, I'm winded out of shape, sweating, and I'm 344 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 3: just leaning against my car and I pull out my 345 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 3: phone and says the Packers have signed Aaron Banks. And 346 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 3: immediately I'm like, okay, the guard from San Francisco. And 347 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 3: I'm thinking to myself, like, did he play center at 348 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 3: Notre Dame, Like as I just remembered him being the guy, yeah, 349 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 3: that replaced Quintin Nelson and then got drafted and basically 350 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 3: started a bulk of four years for San Francisco. And 351 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 3: it's like, no, he didn't. So once you step back 352 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 3: from it, it's a very logical move. I would take 353 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 3: Elton Jenkins at center over any of these guys that 354 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 3: were available on the market. I don't know a lot 355 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 3: about the draft class. But in terms of the unrestricted 356 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: free agents, we saw Atlanta, I should say from Atlanta. 357 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 3: The Bears sign was at Chris Dolman. I'm trying remember 358 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 3: what his name was, the new center that they got there. 359 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 3: I take Elton over that guy, like, I mean, it's 360 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 3: just it's just the way that this thing goes, so uh, 361 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 3: it surprised me. But that being said, uh, once you 362 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 3: step back a little bit, you start to understand the 363 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 3: method of the madness, so to speak. 364 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was but that was my pick as well. 365 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 2: In terms of the signing of Aaron Banks, I thought 366 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: that was the most surprising. Dalmon Dalmon, Yes, no, that's okay. 367 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 2: It didn't come to me right away either. And I 368 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: was gonna say Drew and then I couldn't think of 369 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 2: the last name. So but no, I think the Bank 370 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: signing was surprising because as we headed into free agency, 371 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: all the talk goes, Okay, are the Packers gonna do 372 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 2: something at receiver? Are they gonna do something you know 373 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: with uh with the pass rush? Where are they gonna 374 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 2: spend the money? And then and then you know, boom, 375 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 2: the first the first one we find out about Oh, 376 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: it's an offensive lineman and they're gonna take their two 377 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: time Pro Bowl guard and kick them over to center. 378 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: So I agree with you on that one being surprising. 379 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 2: The other one I'll throw out there because it it 380 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 2: kind of goes along with with what you were talking 381 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: about with Isaiah Simmons. But it's a it's bringing in 382 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 2: Mkole Hardman at at wide receiver because he wasn't a 383 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 2: guy at the top of free agent market or anything 384 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 2: like that at at wide receiver. And when it didn't 385 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: surprise me that Gudakuns didn't go there at receiver, I 386 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 2: did feel that he was going to go into this 387 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: draft and I said it many times an insider inbox, 388 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 2: that he was going to try to look for the 389 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 2: next Christian Watson in this draft or the or you know, 390 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 2: the next potential guy like that. And he did draft 391 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 2: the fastest, the fastest receiver of all the guys at 392 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 2: the combine. But once uh, you know, once free agency 393 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 2: had sort of been going for a while I and 394 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 2: the draft is still hanging out there, I didn't I 395 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 2: just didn't expect him to bring in any receiver to 396 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: a room that is already you know, kind of crowded 397 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 2: when you've got when you've got a you know, wide 398 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 2: receiver five six types like Malie Keith and bow Melton 399 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 2: who had played and done some things and contributed in 400 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 2: games and and still trying to establish themselves in the league. 401 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 2: That you know, bringing in a veteran like Hardman, you know, 402 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: kind of later in free agency into that room. Now 403 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 2: they're gonna look at him as a returner. He's got 404 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 2: some he's got some other abilities as far as different 405 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 2: ways to get him the ball kind of thing like 406 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 2: Lake Sabean Williams. But just that, you know, that move 407 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: kind of surprised me because at that at that point 408 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 2: in free agency I just didn't necessarily think the Packers 409 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 2: are going to be looking at wide receivers there. 410 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 3: The one thing that Brian has done, Godkuns has done 411 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 3: an exceptional job of is he definitely has kicked the 412 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 3: tires on players, more veteran players, more than Ted did. 413 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 414 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 3: Ted would do it occasionally, and it would usually end 415 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 3: up being like during training camp when like a Cedric 416 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 3: Benson would come in because there's just a deluge of 417 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: injuries at a position like for example, in that case, 418 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 3: running back. Brian since the day he got hired. I mean, 419 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 3: I think a Byron Bell and some of these other 420 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 3: guys I mean certainly Mercedes Lewis coming in and ended 421 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 3: up playing five years for him. These guys that aren't 422 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 3: the top of the wire, guys that are affected the 423 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 3: pensatory process. Brian has been willing to take a look, 424 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 3: and sometimes it doesn't work out, but then sometimes you 425 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 3: do find somebody. And that's one thing I think the 426 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 3: Packers have definitely benefited from over the last five six years. 427 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, one other topic I want to 428 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 2: get to, but I will take care of sponsor business. 429 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 2: Here serious XM NFL Radio. It delivers hard hitting analysis 430 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: and up to the minute NFL news that true football 431 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 2: fanatics need twenty four to seven, three sixty five. 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I 440 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 2: think we can all agree that bringing the Draft to 441 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: Green Bay, and as successful as the entire production was, 442 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 2: the crowds, the spectacle, everything with the stage, and then 443 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: the selections of Golden and Currel in the fourth round 444 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 2: and just all that, the whole thing kind of becomes 445 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 2: the crown jewel of Mark Murphy's tenure as president of 446 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers. And we know he is retiring 447 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 2: later this summer. So my last question to you for 448 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 2: this show is, aside from bringing the Draft to Green Bay, 449 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: what do you feel will be the biggest part of 450 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: Mark Murphy's legacy when he officially retires. 451 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 3: Lambeaufield, Yeah, title Town, everything that has been developed in 452 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 3: just the amazing advancement of this organization, in this franchise, 453 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 3: I mean, the Green Bay Packers. We obviously always will 454 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 3: give respect to Bob Harlan, his foresight, the need that 455 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 3: for the renovations and the Lambefield Atrium, but for Mark 456 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 3: to keep his foot on the gas throat all that. 457 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 3: I mean, you listen to this and you see it 458 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 3: now at the nfl PA rankings every year, the amount 459 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 3: of investment this team makes in its football facilities you're 460 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 3: seeing on the east side of the stadium the development 461 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 3: of Title Town and a place that my son will 462 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 3: go and ice skate at and play in the playground at. 463 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 3: In Mike Frankly, the position that I'm in right now, 464 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,959 Speaker 3: the Green Bay Packers, the way that this organization has grown. 465 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 3: From a staffing perspective. You can go talk to some 466 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 3: of the people who have been here since the nineteen 467 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 3: nineties and you can look at the old media guides 468 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 3: and there's thirty five employees and there were over three hundred, 469 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 3: and that just shows you the vision and being able 470 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 3: to keep up in this race with billion dollar teams 471 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 3: in some of the richest people in the world that 472 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 3: own some of these ball clubs, that are the majority 473 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 3: owners of these ball clubs. I just you want to 474 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 3: win a Super Bowl, and the Packers did that as 475 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 3: well underneath Mark Murphy's tenure. You want to go to 476 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 3: the playoffs. They did that thirteen times more than any 477 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: other team over the last seventeen years during Mark Murphy's tenure. 478 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, it's taking this 479 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 3: little light on the hill and making sure that that 480 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 3: light doesn't stop shining. And Murphy definitely did that, so 481 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 3: we got another couple months here to enjoy Mark before 482 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: the transition to ED policy, who I think is going 483 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 3: to do a fantastic job. But I tell people this 484 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,479 Speaker 3: all the time, and I wrote about it an inbox 485 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 3: again today. If I did anything here, if you did 486 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 3: anything here, I just hope it's that we really told 487 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 3: people who Mark was, who he is, and just the 488 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 3: type of leader, CEO president. It didn't matter if it 489 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 3: was the Green Bay Pawkers or a local tire shop. 490 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 3: I mean, the guy knows people, and he knows employees, 491 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 3: and he knows how to lead, and he knows how 492 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 3: to get people behind him. And I think the draft 493 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 3: coming here is a good example that as well. 494 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, what lambeau Field became in two thousand and three, 495 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: it was very much a part of one of the 496 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 2: biggest pieces of Bob Harlan's legacy, among several big pieces 497 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: to his legacy during his tenure as president. What lambeau 498 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 2: Field and the entire Lambeufield campus, if you will looks 499 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 2: like now is is definitely part of Mark Murphy's legacy. 500 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 2: The other the other thing I will say that I 501 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 2: think will be very interesting to see because the Packers 502 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 2: the Packers are competing for championships. We know that they 503 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 2: are close, and you know been to with the current regime. 504 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 2: Brian Gudokuntz, Matt Lafleur been to a couple of NSC 505 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 2: championship games, almost got there, didn't quite work out. But 506 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 2: if this if this regime as currently constructed with Brian 507 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 2: Gudokunz running the football operations and Matt Lafuur being the 508 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: head coach, if they are able to win a Super Bowl, 509 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: you can't forget that. Mark Murphy hired both of those guys. 510 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 2: So part of I think there is potentially potentially a 511 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 2: big piece of his legacy that maybe hasn't been written yet. 512 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: So I throw that out there. 513 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 3: Excellent point, Mike. And the other thing I will mention, 514 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 3: I've said this numerous times. You know how this league works. 515 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 3: You and I see it. There's franchises every two years. 516 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 3: It seems like they're changing a GM, a head coach, 517 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 3: people that are in a position of power. Mark Murphy, 518 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 3: seventeen plus years, he hired one general manager, one head coach, 519 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 3: and the Packers drafted one quarterback in the first round. 520 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 3: That's something special. 521 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. 522 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 2: With that we will call it a rap on this 523 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to continue following all 524 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 2: of our coverage of the team on packers dot com 525 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 2: and will be back next week with a couple of 526 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: more shows, and in. 527 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: The middle of next week the schedule gets released. 528 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 2: On our second show next week, we'll be able to 529 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 2: be talking about the twenty twenty five schedules. 530 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: So for Wes, I am Mike, thank you for tuning in. Everybody, 531 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: We will see you next time.