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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of four,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On

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Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our

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Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is episode twenty eight. I'm Laura. We are recording

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Speaker 1: that's part ahead of time. I will probably be absent

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Speaker 1: for the main interview, which I'm very sad about. But

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Speaker 1: Sarah is interviewing an awesome lawyer mom power combo who

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Speaker 1: will be talking about how she makes work and life

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Speaker 1: fit together. So really looking forward to hearing that. But

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Speaker 1: first we thought we'd just do a few work updates

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Speaker 1: on Sarah. How's maternity leave going. Yeah, I guess that's

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Speaker 1: like a lack of work update. No. So I am

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Speaker 1: at this point just two days past the halfway point

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Speaker 1: of my twelve week maternity leave. So I'm six and

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Speaker 1: a half weeks in. You know, it's interesting. I'm actually

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Speaker 1: I am starting to miss work. I'm starting to miss

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Speaker 1: certain aspects of work, especially, which is interesting because kind

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Speaker 1: of helps elucidate which parts of my work I must

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Speaker 1: really love and which parts I might not love as much.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to say which ones you don't love,

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Speaker 1: But I'm curious with part of the what do you

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Speaker 1: feel you're really missing? Oh well, actually, well a couple things.

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Speaker 1: But the big thing is that so, as you know,

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Speaker 1: program and we actually are anxiously awaiting match day, and

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Speaker 1: so I just was on a phone meeting yesterday. They

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Speaker 1: asked if I wanted to and I was like, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I totally do. So I was sort of listening in

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Speaker 1: I wasn't part of the end of that process. But

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited to jump back in, especially because we're

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Speaker 1: close to having real live residents that we can call hours.

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Speaker 1: When is match day? Match day is it's the Friday.

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Speaker 1: I think it's March sixteenth. I know it's on the Friday,

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Speaker 1: and that's eversident. That is that's when they no, no,

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Speaker 1: that's when they find out where they have matched. So

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Speaker 1: they're Med students. The fourth year Med students at this

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Speaker 1: match is a very interesting system. So everyone ranks. Every

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Speaker 1: welcome to best of both worlds, Rebecca Fight. When I

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Speaker 1: her feelings about having three, And I think that may

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00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 1: have been one of the things that tipped me over

432
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 1: the edge, and I do not regret it. But really,

433
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 1: you did managed to find a lot of joy in

434
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: those baby years and it still looks like you're you're

435
00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: doing that now, but it does. I can see that

436
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: it's getting does get more complicated, which is interesting. How

437
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: have your routines changed? Do you have different childcare or

438
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: different things that you outsource compared to what you used

439
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: to We do you know? Now? My older two are

440
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: in elementary school, so they're in second and fourth And

441
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 1: one thing that came as quite a shock to me

442
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: is once you graduate a baby from daycare, child care

443
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: isn't free. You still have to care for them from

444
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 1: when school gets out until it's from work. Because that

445
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: was just sort of a vedgetary surprise to me. It

446
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been, but in my head, you know, that

447
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: number went just to zero. So we have an after

448
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 1: school nanny who picks up the kids. We live right

449
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: near TCU, which is a university here, and so she, well,

450
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: now we actually have two for different days, but they

451
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: go to TCU and they pick up the big kids

452
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: at three from school and bring them home and do

453
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 1: homework and you know, supervise all of that, and then,

454
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: depending on the day, usually get them to whatever activity

455
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,080
Speaker 1: they have and then if it's swimming, you know, my

456
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: husband brings them homes and sees their coach, or if

457
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: it's something else, you know, I meet them there and

458
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: bring them bring them home. But they kind of execute

459
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: that three pm to five thirty pm time of day.

460
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: And Cora, our youngest, is in full time daycare. But

461
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: since our public school and our daycare in our house,

462
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: they're all right next to one another. We've kind of

463
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: evolved to having the nanny pick her up after the

464
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: big kids get out too, because she likes to be

465
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: around her brother and sister. So they're usually when I

466
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 1: get home from work, either someone's at an activity somewhere

467
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: or everyone is home, and that is really nice. I

468
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: don't really do pickups anymore, so I did for a

469
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: long time. I will say I love not having to

470
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 1: do a lot of pickups. And I will also say,

471
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: even though this is not something that a lot of

472
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: people have control over, the beauty of having everything very

473
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: close together is like not to be overestimated. It's so

474
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 1: much easier if everyone's if you're not, you know, driving

475
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 1: across town all the time. Well, very lucky that our

476
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: world here is very small. We're driving my cars three

477
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: years old. It has twelve thousand wells on it. Oh

478
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: my goodness, that's amazing. And that's so not what I

479
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,479
Speaker 1: think of when I think of Texas. It's a more

480
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: specific thing. It's forward, spunny, it's it's own little, it's

481
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: its own city, you know, with everything we need in it.

482
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 1: And because it's not very big, I mean, anything you

483
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,719
Speaker 1: need is pretty close or you're just going to Dallas

484
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 1: and we just very rarely have any need to do it,

485
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: So everything's pretty We live right by downtown, so it

486
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: makes this little kind of downtown suburban urban neighborhood that

487
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: we live in just everything is really close and it's

488
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: really nice. I think that's sort of similar to our

489
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: situation because people like to not leave Miami Beach and

490
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: then they go to Miami if they have to. But

491
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: but I would say, unlike you, we don't have everything here,

492
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: so darn it would be nice. Well, okay, so we

493
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: have the blog, we have your full time job. We

494
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: have a lot of time with the kids. We have

495
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: exercise almost every day. You also cook and a lot

496
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: and you read. Is there anything that you don't do

497
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: yourself that you outsource? How do you fit all of

498
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: this in? Because honestly, like I'm like a crazy planner

499
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: and I'm I can't even figure it out. I mean,

500
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: I think of it now too. None of my kids nap,

501
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: So on the one hand, we're not beholding to a

502
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: nap anymore. But on the other I've just sort of

503
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 1: had to evolve to a higher state of being where

504
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: there's no pausing. There's just no pause. Ever, there's no

505
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: there's no flow of your day anymore. They just go

506
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: all the time. And that's fine. We've kind of learned

507
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: to roll with it. But I'll say the things we

508
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: do still fully outsourced is I do not clean the

509
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: house at all. And we used to have a housekeeper.

510
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: We went from once a month to twice a month

511
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: to once a week. I know that is obviously a

512
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: luxury and not an option for everyone. It is for us.

513
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: I think the biggest change just for our life was

514
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: when we it was after we had Kora, when we

515
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: did go to once a week. I mean, we basically dropped.

516
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: Now we never eat out on Fridays, we don't eat

517
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: out lunch ever, Like we kind of adjusted certain things,

518
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: and it's changed everything because anytime I had to clean,

519
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: one it took away from something else I wanted to

520
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: be doing. And two it just made me an interrationally

521
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: angry person who is mad at everyone in my house

522
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: for making it dirty. So I don't do that, and

523
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: I did finally convince my husband last year. We have

524
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: our yard and our pool. Someone takes care of those.

525
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: So the kind of physical environment we live in, we

526
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: don't do kind of the deep cleaning on that stuff.

527
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: We just sort of, you know, run the house. I

528
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: do do all of our cooking, you know, our grocery shopping,

529
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: kind of, all of those things we still do in

530
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: like a traditional way. But the mechanics of keeping a

531
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: house in a yard clean and meat, we do not have.

532
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: You trained your oldest tone, Yeah, we have they're good about.

533
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: He's good about starting it and switching it and folding it.

534
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: I usually have to note that when your basket is

535
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: full and you have no clothing, that's a good time

536
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: to go wash them. There's a disconnect there. He's like

537
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: always surprised he doesn't have any clothes, and sometimes I

538
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: do it too, or because my husband's home. You know,

539
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: we found now that we have three kids with bigger

540
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: clothes that get so dirty. We can't save laundry for weekends.

541
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: So he, you know, he'll start it and run it

542
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: and switch it as the day gets going, and then

543
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: when I get home, I'll kind of, you know, switch

544
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: the last load or keep it moving. Oh that makes

545
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: sense because if someone's in the morning, then they can

546
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: kind of like routine lead. It's kind of an all

547
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: hand on deck. It makes a big difference that he's home.

548
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: It also, I remember a friend wrote a long time

549
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: ago that you know, marriage, especially working marriage with kids,

550
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: it's not fifty to fifty, it's one hundred one hundred.

551
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: And I think about that all the time because it

552
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: really is that. I mean, anytime you have downtime, you

553
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: have to go find something productive to do with it,

554
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: and both of you do. And that's pretty much how

555
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: it works. So like you know, I said, he'll start it,

556
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: switch it. I'll get home, switch the last one, fold

557
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: some some might still be in the dryer for post dinner,

558
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: and he'll go fold that while the kids are in

559
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: the shower. I mean, we're both always doing something. And

560
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: that's why you know, at eight or eight thirty, when

561
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: everyone's in bed, we're then done. We're not doing stuff

562
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: for our kids after they're in bed. That's for us.

563
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: That's when I read, that's when I blog, you know,

564
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: that's when he does work or watches TV or you

565
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: know whatever. I mean, that's where I feel like we're

566
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: able to still have time with one another and for

567
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: ourselves and you know, to not just constantly feel like

568
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: you're doing something for the kids or for the house

569
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: like that. You have some time that is just belongs

570
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: to you and you have to wait till eight thirty

571
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: to get it, but then it's yours. And like from

572
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: a completely practical nerdy standpoint, so then what time do

573
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: you usually go to sleep? Around? Ay? And I usually

574
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 1: get up about six thirty. Okay, so yeah, you're not

575
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: like a long sleeper, but that's very reasonable. That's sleep,

576
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: and I have sometimes later and sometimes I get up

577
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: a little bit later, but I try to get into

578
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: work by eight, and I'm trying to do more like

579
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: seven thirty. But it's not working so that I can

580
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: do I've been doing My favorite yoga class is actually

581
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: at noon, and so I've been doing yoga in the

582
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: middle of the day. But that kind of obviously cuts

583
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: into my workday a little more than I would like,

584
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: so I'm getting in earlier to pull out for that. Hey,

585
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: whatever works, it's the same number of Sometimes I feel

586
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: like those morning hours can be the most productive at

587
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: work because no one's bothering you. Of course that doesn't

588
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: work for like patient care, but when you're doing paperwork

589
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 1: and you know, that makes that actually makes a lot

590
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: of sense. Yeah, I'm always jealous of people who work

591
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: out mid day. Maybe someday I will somehow make that work.

592
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: Any time you're clearly not sweaty, you've gone through the

593
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: effort to put makeup on, so starting all over, you know,

594
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: three hours later and sound very good. But I do

595
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: love the class, and if I can make it work,

596
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: I'm always so glad when it does because it lets

597
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: me still get that early morning hours at my desk

598
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: that are so productive, and it means I don't have

599
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: to well, one go at night, which is no longer happening,

600
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: or two not stop on the way home, which is

601
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: also you know, really hard to do. No, that totally

602
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: makes sense. I was trying to figure that out because

603
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: I could tell your kids were in all these later activities,

604
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: and I was like, how is she? I was stuck

605
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: in your old days where you used to do it

606
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: at night. So that makes totally more sense. Well, okay,

607
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: so now we know all your secrets and we can

608
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: now do everything like you do. But my sort of

609
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: last deep question here before we get into our loves

610
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: of the week are is there anything you can think

611
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: of that you like, would love to tell yourself five

612
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: to ten years ago. Now that you are a seasoned

613
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: mom of a child that has two numbers in their

614
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: age and three kids, like you know, you're like the

615
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: wise guru that I need to A lot of us

616
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: are look up to. So what would you tell your

617
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: past I think I would say, enjoy your like the

618
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 1: open weekends. I just felt like when our kids were younger,

619
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: our lives were very home based, and sometimes that was

620
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: hard I'm a social creature and I like to get

621
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 1: out and have lots of plans and be meeting up

622
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: with people, and that's an important thing. But I miss

623
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: This is going to sound bad, but I miss when

624
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: we were enough for the kids. Like now, if we have,

625
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, three hours of downtime on a Saturday, you know,

626
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: my two older two are immediately asking whose mom I

627
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: can text to see if they can play, you know,

628
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: and who can come over and where can we go?

629
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, don't you guys just want to hang out

630
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: here and play? And I can just kind of listen

631
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: and giggle every now and then, and you know, they

632
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: look at me like I've lost my mind. So I

633
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: just kind of miss when our family, kind of our

634
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: little group before five was sort of what our weekend was.

635
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: You know, it just we kind of did what we

636
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: wanted to do and the kids were excited to be

637
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: wherever we were, and you know, that was just really nice.

638
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: So our world was a lot a lot smaller. I

639
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: feel like that's it. I also love now how we

640
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: have all these activities. We have, you know, a good

641
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: friends circle, We have reasons to be out and about,

642
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: so it's not that now is bad. I just kind

643
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: of wish I appreciated more how lovely it was that

644
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: my kids could just play together for a few hours

645
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: in the house and I could just be home. That

646
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: was very nice. Yeah, that does sound bittersweet to me

647
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: because sometimes we go crazy in the house, but there

648
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: are those magical moments when they're just kind of sitting

649
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: all sitting around me and they're playing on the floor,

650
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, I would say, I'm probably not as appreciative

651
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: of that. And I love that, I would say, which

652
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: you probably already know, just even with your kid's age. Bread,

653
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: but just that kind of every phase is the best phase,

654
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: is what I tell people. I mean, I baby phase,

655
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: would you appreciate more? I think when you don't have

656
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: a baby, but just how they're you know, they're fairly

657
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: simple creatures. They stay where you leave them, they're portable,

658
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: you know. Then you have toddlers where they have you know,

659
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: some of their challenges, but they're just they're verbal, and

660
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: you starting to get to know who they are and

661
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 1: what their preferences are, and they're just so excited and

662
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: so full of love. And then your bigger kids, as

663
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: you really keep getting to know them better, you know,

664
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: and now with older kids. I mean, Landon's ten and

665
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: he's like a mini adult sometimes, and we get to

666
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: have these you know, great conversations and share movies and

667
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: you know books I used to love and you know,

668
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: and so each one has its drawbacks, but there's just

669
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: something really neat about each age. And I think that's

670
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: part of why Cora, our third was just so fun

671
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: and such a wonderful happy time for us, because we

672
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 1: could really just appreciate where she was while enjoying all

673
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: these upsides of having big kids around too. It's just

674
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: a very happy, you know, several years. And I felt

675
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 1: like we had the right perspective at that point. And

676
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: you know that any phase that isn't so fun, they

677
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: all go so fast, so you're able to just kind

678
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: of hold your breath and get through it. For me,

679
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: that's been that's been very valuable. I feel like I'm

680
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: less impatient about certain things. I'm like, well, it's not

681
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, none of this is forever. And actually, in retrospect,

682
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: it seems so short with my older two that like

683
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: the nighttime wake ups or whatever, it's like it'll stop

684
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: when it stops. And I don't think I thought that

685
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: way with the other especially, I'm genuinely excited to get

686
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: to those next spaces that are so fun. And I

687
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: don't think you know that's bad, but there's something about

688
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: having older kids that let you have these conversations and

689
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: talk to them like their people while snuggling your little

690
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: baby that doesn't have an opinion on everything, and you're thinking,

691
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: this is a really good spread. Yes, so I'm very

692
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: grateful to your guy. It's approximately you know, ten months,

693
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: ten ten months, nine months, and six weeks ago, when

694
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, I love it. So speaking of love,

695
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: we will conclude with our loves of the week, and

696
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: I'll go first because I picked one sort of with

697
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: you in mind, or the theme of your husband's business,

698
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: because I love swim class. So I highly recommend that

699
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: anyone has kids old enough to be in the water,

700
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: that they start them early, because my kids have always

701
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: enjoyed it like I never, and I don't know, I

702
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: think there's that some of that has to do with temperament,

703
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: because I've seen babies screaming in the water, and none

704
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: of mine were like that. They've all enjoyed it, and

705
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: then by the age of about three, they've all been

706
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: able to basically swim across the pool, which is nothing

707
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: compared to what your kids do. Your kids are amazing,

708
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: but it really is so rewarding to see them improve.

709
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: And then it just it's a fun and we don't

710
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: do team or anything, but even just them going to

711
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: classes is like a nice fun weekend activity and here

712
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: we can do it outdoors all year round, which is awesome.

713
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: So that is my love with we're very pro pro

714
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: swim class also, and that's awesome. Years never had a

715
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: freak out modes. Each of mine, despite growing up with

716
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: swimming parents, with the pool in the yard, with a

717
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: dad who is their coach, went through a solad six

718
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: months each of screaming during some lessons with their dad

719
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: the coach in the pool in there. Well maybe it's

720
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: not a despite, but because it's normal. It's like eighty

721
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: percent of kids in some class keep pushing through a

722
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: life skill, yes, and then they end up enjoying it

723
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: and they end up super tired out so you can

724
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: have that nice relaxing downtime later. So what part of

725
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: I love many things, but I think this past week,

726
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: so as you mentioned, I read a lot. I read things.

727
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 1: All of them are fiction. I mean they're not even

728
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: like modern day fiction. I read fiction like about different universes.

729
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: I really like to be as far from real life

730
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: as possible when I'm reading a book, so they're no

731
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 1: way for the betterment of my mind. They're just for fun.

732
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: And the Red Rising series by Pierce Brown, it's a

733
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: trilogy that came out several years ago. A coworker convinced

734
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: me to read it, even though it wasn't my traditional

735
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: like vampire romance genre like urban fantasy, So anyway, I

736
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: read it. I loved it. It's one of the best

737
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: trilogies I've ever read. And the author came out with

738
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: a surprise book four that takes place ten years in

739
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: the future after the last book in the trilogy, so

740
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: it's like a jump head to see kind of how

741
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: everyone's doing. And that was a little nervous to read

742
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: it because I loved the ending of the trilogy so much,

743
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: but it was excellent. It's called Iron Gold. If you

744
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: are someone who likes kind of adventury fiction novels, it

745
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: is really really well done, and my faith in him

746
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: was well placed and he did a good job. It's

747
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: kind of like how a romance novel often ends with

748
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: the wedding and then just ends, So this sort of

749
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: picks up, you know, ten years later, all these people

750
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: still exist. Kind of what's happening because as we all know,

751
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: marriage is not easier once it's happened. So not that

752
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: this is about about a marriage, but it kind of

753
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, jumps forward and it was very good. So

754
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: if you need a book recommendation, I highly recommend it.

755
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: That sounds awesome and I have been reading a ton

756
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: since I've been home, so maybe I'll have to check

757
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: that out. Do you have to have read the rest

758
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: of the series for that one to be good? You do, right? Okay,

759
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: so is the series and then it ends with them,

760
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: so yes, yeah, definitely read the trilogy. Excellent, awesome, Well,

761
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: it has been so wonderful to have you. Can you

762
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: tell our listeners exactly where they can find you on

763
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: your blog and anywhere else? So yeah, my blog which

764
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: I started my second year of law school, I think

765
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six. It's genuinely surprising to me

766
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 1: I'm still writing in it, but there I am. It's

767
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: lag Live, which is La g l iv dot blogspot

768
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: dot com. I think I named it because I googled

769
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm Swedish and so Lag is law and live his

770
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: life in Swedish. So that's the deep meaning behind my blog.

771
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: But it's there, and I'm still I just I really

772
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: like to write, and I found that oftentimes my brain

773
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: is just more settled if I write out what we've

774
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: been doing. So I'm still there. Her blog is joyous

775
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: and fun and there's just something about it, so you

776
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: should definitely all check that out. Well, thank you so much.

777
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: Laura was so sad she couldn't have been here with

778
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: this part of the conversation, but I'm sure she'll listen

779
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: before it goes on. And thank you. I really really

780
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: appreciate all of it. This was really fun. Thanks for

781
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: asking me. Hi, this is Laura. I'm back after my

782
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: absence from the main segment. In case anyone wonders how

783
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: this work, we were recording the opener and the Q

784
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: and A separate from when Sarah was able to get

785
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: on the calendar of of our guests for this segment. Anyway,

786
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: for the Q and A, we'd asked readers and listeners

787
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: for suggestions for this, and Sarah got a bunch of

788
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: great questions posed on her blog, but one was right

789
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: up her wheelhouse, something she thinks about a lot on

790
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: how she organizes toys, because you guys live in a

791
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: very sort of denser residential neighborhood, so like the houses are,

792
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a little bit smaller. There's not

793
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: a whole lot of extra spots to put your stuff.

794
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: And yet with three children, the toys multiply. They do.

795
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: And I will say, once I made the claim that

796
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: we didn't have a lot of square footage, multiple readers

797
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: were like, yes, you do. I live at a four

798
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: hundred square but apartment in New York City, so it's

799
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: not like it's not under that scale. But for example,

800
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: my two kids are about to be sharing a room

801
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: right now, Baby still in our room. We don't have

802
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: a ton of extra storage space. And whoever built this

803
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: home was not big on closets, So you still have

804
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: Do you still have the wardrobe rac in your Yes,

805
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: we do not have a closet. That just has to

806
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: do it more with. So it's so interesting because people

807
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: might think that I have this, like this beautiful home

808
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: and I'm really into organization and pairing things down, but

809
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm actually not into decor at all. Like those things

810
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: do not go together. So I'm perfectly happy with my

811
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: wardrobe brack as long as it doesn't have things that

812
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: I don't spark joy on it. If that makes so.

813
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm much more concerned with the content and organization of

814
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: my home than how it looks. Anyway, that's a digression,

815
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: but I do think it extends to toys, which is

816
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: to say that our solutions aren't necessarily beautiful, but they're

817
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 1: very functional and they focus on not keeping excess stuff

818
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: around period. So you know, number one, I would say

819
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: the biggest thing is to curtail the flood as much

820
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: as you can. Now that is challenging because there are

821
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: birthday parties and there's well meaning family. But by letting

822
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: people know what you want and giving them lots of

823
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: very consumable options, like those little art kids which are

824
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: used once and then you know they're done with, you're

825
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: going to end up with less stuff than if you

826
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: ask for a bunch of small plastic pieces that just

827
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: sort of have a way of jumbling all up and

828
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: sticking around. So asking for the right things, but once

829
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: you actually have the things. What has worked for us

830
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: is from a young age teaching the kids that this

831
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: is their space to have toys, and if they'd like

832
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: to have new toys, for example, around the holiday season

833
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: or their birthday, it still has to fit nicely in

834
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: that space. So they're going to need to decide what

835
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: they don't want to keep, and we call that process

836
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: giveaway or keep, and they both know that's what it's called.

837
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: And I mean, I'm sure kids are going to vary

838
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: at their response to anything, right, Like you know, you

839
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: talk about those lights that light up in the morning,

840
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: and one of my kids completely complies with this, and

841
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: the other one thought it was a total joke. So

842
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: your mileage may vary, but both of mine have been

843
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: pretty receptive to give away your keep because in their

844
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: mind it means, ooh, that's how I can get new toys.

845
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: And so we go through every season or so and

846
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: really sit there with a bunch of bags, and I

847
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: try to go very quickly because the more I find that,

848
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: the more they think about it, the more they want something.

849
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: And if they sort of don't respond right away, I

850
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: kind of take advantage. Okay, you don't really care about that,

851
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: do you, And usually they're they're like, yeah, you're right,

852
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: I don't really because I want that space for new stuff.

853
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: And by doing that we've managed to keep their stuff

854
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: down to you know, those like target cubes that have

855
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: nine cubes basically five cubes of toys, they each have

856
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: four cubes worth of books. I'm not as stringent with

857
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Speaker 1: getting rid of books, but i do find that that

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Speaker 1: needs to be curated every once in a while too,

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Speaker 1: because you end up with, like, you know, an excess

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Speaker 1: of books that aren't necessarily quality books. And then we

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Speaker 1: also have some toys in our sort of art room

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Speaker 1: in one cabinet, and that's it. So if you let

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Speaker 1: the space dictate how much stuff you're willing to have,

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Speaker 1: then that's going to solve a lot of your problems.

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Speaker 1: And that's how we've handled it. Yeah, so when it

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Speaker 1: comes you've already made space by the time the birthday

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Speaker 1: deluge comes in for exactly you have to plant around

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Speaker 1: those periods of time, and if stuff doesn't fit, you

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Speaker 1: can always casually say, okay, well then this is going

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Speaker 1: to go in the closet for later. And then we

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Speaker 1: had mentioned on a recent episode having rainy day toys

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Speaker 1: because toys in their boxes aren't necessarily clutter as much

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Speaker 1: as toys that are out and all over the place.

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Speaker 1: So if you do have. We do have one large

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Speaker 1: closet and that's where we will store things that are

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Speaker 1: not opened yet and so they're kind of compact and

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Speaker 1: that works for any overflow. Yeah, I mean, I'm a

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Speaker 1: fan of, you know, making sure the kids can see

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Speaker 1: the stuff that they want to play with. Like I've

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Speaker 1: you know, once stuff is in a way in drawers,

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Speaker 1: I kind of feel like it doesn't exist in our house.

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Speaker 1: And then it, you know, it doesn't get used and

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Speaker 1: then people want new stuff and they don't realize what

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Speaker 1: they have. So I mean there is a problem in

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Speaker 1: the sense of, you know, a lot of the organization

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Speaker 1: the course, if they always want you to put stuff away,

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Speaker 1: but then when you can't see it, you can't play

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Speaker 1: with it. When you can't see any of it, though,

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Speaker 1: then you're going to get out what you want to

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Speaker 1: get out, you know what I mean, Like if it's

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Speaker 1: all in a cube and if you only have five

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Speaker 1: cubes and you know you're going to go to your

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Speaker 1: cubes to get your toys like that. I see what

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Speaker 1: you're saying. And we do. Every once in a while

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Speaker 1: we get something like new and hot, and we do

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Speaker 1: have it out for a little bit. But when you

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Speaker 1: I mean, you may have rooms that you're dedicated to,

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Speaker 1: like a playroom or a basement, but we don't. So

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Speaker 1: if we were to have everything visible, our house would

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Speaker 1: just be like toy kettalog. Yeah, exactly no, and that's

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Speaker 1: I mean, I will throw that out there. Is One

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Speaker 1: of the reasons that we did move to our house

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Speaker 1: is that it had a large finished basement, and so

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Speaker 1: there were other houses we looked at that did not

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Speaker 1: have large finished basements. But that was a major upside

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Speaker 1: in terms of having a place where the toys could

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Speaker 1: be out and not necessarily up all the time. That

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Speaker 1: it would be the kid's space and they could have

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Speaker 1: their stuff down there, because when we were in our

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Speaker 1: New York apartment, like it was always just underfoot and

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, we we were losing that battle

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Speaker 1: quickly in terms of keeping you know, a limited number

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Speaker 1: of things there. But you know, that's not why we moved.

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Speaker 1: But it was certainly an upside to having that extra space. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I wish we could have a basement, but apparently it

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Speaker 1: would be like any oga, you'd be looking at the

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Speaker 1: pace exactly base. Guess that's not happening. Well, this has

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Speaker 1: been the best of both Worlds Episode twenty eight. Tune

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Speaker 1: in next week for more on making work and life

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Speaker 1: fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah

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Speaker 1: at the shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox

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Speaker 1: on Instagram, and you can find me Laura at Laura

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Speaker 1: vandercam dot com. This has been the best of both

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