1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Ron and Anan, I don't understand why Saturn people still 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: have a Saturn. The company has gone twelve going on 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: thirteen years. They're obsolete. They're done. The car is gone. 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: It's it's a piece of American history. Just recycle it 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: and will become a blender by Tuesday. Than God cars. 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: The Car Doctor. You know, sometimes where the part sits 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: in the warehouse affects its longevity. But the host showed up. 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: It was sort of rock hard already. You know, I 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: don't want to buy a petrified holes. I want something 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: may have rubber. Welcome to the radio home of Ron 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: and Nan the Car Doctor, since this is where car 12 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call in. The garage doors 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: are open, but I am here to take your fault 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: at eight five, five six and now he running. It'll 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: be interesting to see where in the future repairs go. Well, 18 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: here's what I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about leasing repairs 19 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: and the current generation of younger drivers that are you know, 20 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: in that in that twenty to thirty five range, Are 21 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: they really repaired or are they really prepared to repair 22 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: a car? And that's the question as I kick off 23 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: this this this weekend with the car Doctor. Thanks for 24 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: stopping by. I appreciate you being here. You know it's 25 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: no secret, right, I'm the old guy in the gym. 26 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: I go to the gym, local gym down here in 27 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: Midland Park, and you know, I'm the old guy hanging 28 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: out about with the kids. The kids are all in 29 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: their thirdas and early forties, and you know, here's the 30 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: old guy trying to keep up. And and I listened 31 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: to them talk about their cars, and you know, I 32 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: can tell by the parking lot everything is probably maybe 33 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: maybe the oldest car in the parking lots four years old, right, 34 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: so you know they're leasing everything most likely, or I 35 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: bet to the majority of cars and parking lot or lease. 36 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: And you can tell by the conversation, because the conversation 37 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: is all about well, maybe we'll do this, maybe we'll 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: do that. We won't have it much longer. It's things 39 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: like that, and I just I just wonder is that 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: attitude going to affect us long term? Where will it 41 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: teach the generation behind them that you don't repair a car, 42 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: you just lease a car, you just continue to lease 43 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: a car. And I guess leasing is a regional phenomena. 44 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: I guess it's a you know, it's it's as you 45 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: go around the country, certain parts of the country are 46 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: more economically depressed or above or below than than the 47 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: other and you know, where can they afford it? And 48 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 1: the statement that I keep spouting as as I continue 49 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: to do, you know, leasing as a lifestyle, how much 50 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: car can you afford? And how much car do you 51 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: want to afford? And and and and is it worthwhile? 52 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: But I also think about will the car be repaarable. 53 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: My wife's explorer, she's got an eighteen Explorer. It's got 54 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: seventeen thousand miles on it and change. And I've been 55 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: nursing this for about a year now. It's taken a 56 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: year to finally get it to this point where the 57 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: display cluster in the center of the dish, which is 58 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: it's the map, the radio, and the climate control and 59 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: you can do it all touchscreen interact if they call 60 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: it an apin module, and it's part of that cluster. 61 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: And every once in a while it locks up. You'll 62 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: touch the map, nothing happens. You'll touch the radio, nothing happens. 63 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: You can still use They provide you with mechanical knobs 64 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: on the outside, and you can still get all the functions. 65 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: You don't get radio. I'm sorry you don't get map choice. 66 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: The map choice doesn't change. But it's just been an 67 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: ongoing problem for about a year and I've tried a 68 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: few things and nothing's really fixed it. I'm just trying 69 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: to catch it in the act when I can take 70 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: it to forward and say hey, here's what it does. 71 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: I've done some looking around and poking around, as you 72 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: would imagine I would, and you know, so the other 73 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: day I caught it in the act where it did 74 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: it long enough. I pulled over and I watched it, 75 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: and I took a video of it using my phone, 76 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: and you know, tap button, push button, Um, you know, 77 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: you would just see it just it was like the 78 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: car was haunted. The display panel would illuminate the button 79 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: as if somebody was pushing it, but they weren't. And 80 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: you saw the screen change several times, and you saw 81 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: it lock up, and you saw it release. And I've 82 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: got like this minute and a half video. So I 83 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: stopped by my local Ford dealer and um, the good 84 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: folks over here at Maua Ford and um, you know, 85 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: sat down and showed it to the shop uh service manager, 86 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: the shop foreman, uh as it were, and he looked 87 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: at and he said, yeah, he says it could be 88 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: the APIM, it could be the display board. Um, you know, 89 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: there's a few things that might be he said, Uh, 90 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of hard to diagnose even if 91 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: we have the symptom. So he says, we're gonna try 92 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: one or the other. And I, you know, I could 93 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: relate to that. I've been there. I've I've done the 94 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: you know, the you pin out every wire, you check, 95 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,679 Speaker 1: every voltage, you check, every signal, you go through everything 96 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: you can possibly go through. And it's electronic. There's just 97 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: no way to test it at field level. As I 98 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: consider this, and it made me think about I thought 99 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: about that this morning while I'm listening to the kids 100 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: at the gym talk about leasing, and I I understand that, 101 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, where will it be now? Because where will 102 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: it be five years from now? Because how much how 103 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: much more electronics can we cram into a car? We 104 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: had four escape came in and the the different car, 105 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: very different car. That twenty was the first year of 106 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: the redesign, and the dashboard is so totally different. It's 107 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: now it's a it's a probably a twelve inch monitor 108 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: screen in the middle of the dashboard that does radio map, 109 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: climate control, you know. And there's very little buttons in this. 110 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: There's very little mechanical into actually there's there's very few 111 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: knobs to turn. Everything is push button, push screen. And 112 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: I said to the owner, and I said, you can 113 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: see where they're taking this, because they're getting you ready 114 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: for what electric vehicles, self driving cars, right, the next evolution. 115 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: You know, look at the twenty escape and I'm sure 116 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: there's those out there like it. All you have to 117 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: do is just get rid of the get rid of 118 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: the speedometer, get rid of the tachometer, get rid of 119 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: whatever little gauges you got, Slide that screen a little 120 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: over to the left, make it about three inches bigger, 121 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: and bang, all of a sudden, you're in a car 122 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: with no steering wheel and all it is is push 123 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: button and software. And how cheap will that car be 124 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: to build? And you can see the evolution, right, they're 125 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: getting ready. We're not going to own cars in the future. 126 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: That's what it's gonna come down to. They're gonna laugh 127 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: at us. My great grandfather drove a seventy eight Bullock 128 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: less Saber. My god, he was crazy he owned that car. 129 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: Could you imagine owning a car? And I don't think 130 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: it's that far away. I think it's less than twenty 131 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: five years away. I think it's less than ten years away. 132 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: To a large degree, I don't think it's going to 133 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: become an affordable thing. And then I look at that escape, 134 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: and I look at the increase in plastic, and I 135 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: look at the increase in electronics, and it's kind of 136 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: like looking at a soda bottle or a plastic water bottle. 137 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: You just keep thinking, recycle, recycle, recycle, recycle. We just 138 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: make it out of you know. It's it's like we're 139 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: gonna buy the car, or at least the car ten 140 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: times over in our lifetime. It's just gonna become you 141 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: know what was it? Well, let's see, my my my 142 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: four used to be a buick. I'm sorry, my four. 143 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: You couldn't be a buick. Well, buticle will still be 144 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: around a little bit. But my four could be a buick. 145 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: My Buick became you know, Chevrolet, and my Chevrolet became 146 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: a Toyota and it's it's just it's so be aware. 147 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: And I guess that's my point here. As we you know, 148 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: as you look at the new cars and you're fascinated 149 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: and you fall in love with them, remember this, okay, 150 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: don't it's like dating. Don't fall in love with the 151 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: first one, all right, and know that as you drive 152 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: it on down the road that first date is always 153 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: a good one, or usually is. But think about it 154 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: long term and can you live with it? It is 155 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: really like dating. Can you afford it? Um? You know? 156 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: Do you want to look at it every morning? Uh? 157 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: There's a lot I can say about this, but we 158 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: have to keep this like family radio. But you guys, 159 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: get the point, where will car repair be in the 160 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: next two to five years? Because it's coming quick. You 161 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: can see it's changing really fast, and you're gonna have 162 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: a computer screen in front of you within the next 163 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: three years and you're gonna go, wow, what happened to 164 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: the steering wheel? You watch you wait, you see it's 165 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: gonna happen. Hello, welcome Ron in any of the car 166 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: doctor here zero here to take your calls and answer 167 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: your questions. A couple of things I want to talk 168 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: about this hour or this hour next hour. One of 169 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: the two hours, we got to talk again about the 170 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: Takada airbag recall, because again it's in the news and 171 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: it kind of blows my mind that we're going on 172 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: with this. The folks over at Mitchell one Mitchell one 173 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: dot com have come out with some really cool wiring 174 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: diagram upgrades. They've taken their wiring diagrams and they've made it. Well. 175 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: I'll tell you all about it when we get to it, 176 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: and the folks over at all dat I have some 177 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: conversation that I think is very applicable with regards to 178 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: uh Hyundai's park assist and some problems that people have 179 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: had after body shop repairs. And we're gonna talk about that. 180 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: But right now, let's pull over and take a pause. 181 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll kick the garage doors open. 182 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: I'm run on any of the car Doctor. Don't go away. 183 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: We're back right after this. Well, I can see we've 184 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: got my theme song going this hour. Let's get over 185 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,239 Speaker 1: to the phone. Let's go over and talk to Valentine's 186 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: day at the car Doctor. Come on, is it only 187 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: what day? Is it today? No, it's seven days away. Yeah, 188 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: but next Saturday will be after Valentine's Day. So this 189 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: Saturday we're going to celebrate. I'll have to think about 190 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna miss this Car Doctor for Valentine's Day. 191 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: Um yeah, okay, let's get on. She never listens to 192 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: the show anyway. You know, I can do anything I want. 193 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: She's not around, is she? Okay? Just check it. Let's 194 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: get over to K in Illinois? Oh seven Mercedes? How 195 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: can I help k? Welcome to the Car Doctor. Yes, Ron, 196 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: I have two thousand seven Mercedes mL three fifty back 197 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: into a mailbox. Uh and had body work done on 198 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: it since that time. The battery drains the only way 199 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: to keep the battery charges have a turple charge on it. 200 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: The radio does not work, and in single digit weather, 201 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,599 Speaker 1: the liftgate doesn't want to work. It's been back to 202 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: the body shop twice, the dealership twice. They can find 203 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: no problem. Well, then they're not looking hard enough. You know, 204 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: it's you know, kiddo, give me a broken car, I'll 205 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: find I'll find a problem. It's like, you know, it 206 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: sounds like pretty clear cuts, you know, symptoms to me. 207 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: So what I think about when I hear stories like this? 208 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: Right away, my my mind goes towards what's related to 209 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: either the accident or the body repair. Now in the 210 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: rear of that car in the spare tire well area, 211 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure where you hit the mailbox, but 212 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: I'm not sure to what extent they had to make repairs. 213 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:30,479 Speaker 1: There are a couple of modules uh related to well, 214 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: related to the amplifier and then related to just operation 215 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: of the vehicle. That understand this is this is all. 216 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: This is a controlled area network. I'm trying to think 217 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: of how to explain it. UM such that if if 218 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: UM one of those modules is damaged, or if there's 219 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: a wiring issue, if there's a cross circuit and it's 220 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: keeping one of those modules awake, it's going to drain 221 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: the battery and quite possibly not allow the radio to play. 222 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: Does the radio light up or there's nothing thing happens 223 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: to it? Um, No, nothing happens. The radio will light up, 224 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: but there's no sound, no sound at all. Right, And 225 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, the amplifier module for that particular 226 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: car is in the rear spare tire well area, and 227 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: that's which was I hit it kind of like in 228 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: the would be close to the left rear tail light, 229 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 1: right um, and the spare tire is I think centrally located, 230 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: so yeah, you could be in the but they can't. 231 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: They can't find any sort of the words that. What's 232 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: their answer when you say the radio doesn't work? Uh, 233 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: if they can't find a reason. I took it back 234 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: to the deal or to the body shop a couple 235 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and they went out and I assume 236 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: they used a scan tool or something, and came back 237 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: and told me there were about twenty places that had 238 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: either higher or low voltage, so it would have to 239 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: go into the dealership. Well, the dealership has had it 240 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: for a week and a half and confined no problems. Okay, 241 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: so let me let me explain it to you so 242 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: you understand it, so when you talk to them, maybe 243 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: you can get them to understand it. How many how 244 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: many phones do you have in your house? Do you 245 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: have a landline phone? Still? Okay? How many phones do 246 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: you have? What do you think? Three? Four? Five? Okay? Three? 247 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: Do you remember back in the day when if you 248 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: left one off the hook, the other two wouldn't work. 249 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: That's exactly what you have in your car, But you 250 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: have it with over a hundred different modules. So Now 251 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: not every not every phone is on the same network. 252 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: So you know, we we talk about you hear me 253 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: talk about data buses, and you go, my god, what's 254 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: the data bus? Data bus is just you know, you've 255 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: got phone circuit, a phone circuit, B, C, D and 256 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: so on. All right, there might be there might be 257 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: seven phones on A, five phones on B, three phones 258 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: on C and so on. All right, So you know 259 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: the first thing someone needs to do is plug in 260 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: with a scan tool, and do we have good communication 261 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: between the phones? Can all the modules talk to each other? 262 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: I suspect not, all right, you know, I suspect that 263 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: one of the phones is off the hook and and 264 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: they're going to find a communication faul. Now we've got 265 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: to decide why do we have that communication? Full It's 266 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: no different than anything else electrical. Do we have power, 267 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: do we have ground I meaning we have good connection? 268 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: Do we have proper signal between that phone and the 269 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: next phone in line? All right? And that's that's really 270 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: it in a nutshell, it's it's it's just that simple. 271 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: I sort of think and from my seat here, and 272 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: I try not to criticize repair shops because I'm not 273 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: the guy doing the job. But if if they've had 274 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: the car for a week and a half and they're 275 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: telling you they can't find anything wrong with it, you know, 276 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: my first question is what can you find? What can 277 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: you tell me that's good with it? What do you 278 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: know that works? And have you actually looked at the car? 279 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: Because I suspect they haven't. Well, this is not the dealing, right, 280 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: this is the dealership, which you know, the dealership should 281 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: be able to eat an oh seven mL three fifty 282 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: Mercedes cars fourteen years old. They should be able to 283 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: eat that technology in about twenty minutes. Uh, you know, 284 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: it's it's this, This is their bread and butter. They 285 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: shouldn't have any problem interfacing and connecting with it. Where 286 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: I think the body shop does. I think the body 287 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: shop is at a at a limit in terms of 288 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: you know, cars are just accelerating in technology that the 289 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: average body shop expends exorbitance amount of money and has 290 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: a hard time keeping up. But the real question here is, first, 291 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: this isn't even a conversation k about who's going to 292 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: pay for it? Is an accident related or not? This 293 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: conversation with with with the dealer has to be what's 294 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: wrong with the car. And then once you know what's 295 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: wrong with the car, could this act be accident related? Well, 296 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: then we've got to call the insurance adjuster in and 297 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: and make them aware. Now I've got to tell you 298 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: I probably would be I would would probably let the 299 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: insurance company know at this point if you haven't already, 300 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, just just because. And sometimes when the when 301 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: the dealership hears that there's an insurance company involved, it 302 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: kind of gets their attention because they realized that, you know, 303 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: there's it's it's not just k coming to them, it's 304 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: X y Z insurance company that's expecting them to fix it. 305 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: And you know, it becomes a relationship thing. So umation 306 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:27,239 Speaker 1: on that RROR bumper they overhauled that RROR bumper assembly, 307 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: they did not replace that. Would that have anything to 308 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: do with it depends on how it was assembled and 309 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: depends on what sensors are involved in It depends on 310 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: how the wiring went back together. You see how it 311 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: all connects. You know, it's it's it's sort of like 312 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: the man showed up to put a new phone in 313 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: the house, and he gave you he over he gave 314 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: you a brand new phone, or he overhauled the existing phone. 315 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: But when he put the wires into the bottom of 316 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: the unit, he pinched him in the bottom of the 317 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: door jam. And now they're cutting at a right angle 318 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: and they don't have good connectivity. You know. They charged 319 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: dollars to replaced their rare sensor. Okay, so there was 320 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: a sensor involved. Here we go, all right, that that 321 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: sensor is another phone on the line. It's another component, 322 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 1: you know. So all these things come back to I 323 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: gotta tell you one of the if the if the 324 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: censor was the only component in that line next to 325 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: the other modules, I think I'd unplug that censor and 326 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: see if the radio came back to life. But that's 327 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: just me because I'm a firm believer in new doesn't 328 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: mean good. New means never ever worked. It's not a 329 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: field tested part. Well, I will tell you my son 330 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: has done something he calls like uh, like a hard reset. Yes, 331 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: he disconnected he disconnected the battery or he disconnected the 332 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: radio and yeah, yeah, and it will work for sometimes 333 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: a couple of days. Right, So there's obviously now I'm 334 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: going to say there's a wiring issue somewhere, that something's rubbing, touching, contacting, pinched, 335 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: something's not assembled right, and it's it's gonna come back 336 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: to is the radio? The only thing not working properly 337 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: the battery, like said battery and the battery drain. We 338 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: haven't even touched on that. The battery drain is let's 339 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: hook up, let's hook up a meter and and check 340 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: for a car draw over time. It's it's got a 341 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: time out and it sounds like it doesn't and they've 342 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: got to find the source of that as well. I would, Um, 343 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: I think Monday, you're gonna have a heart to heart 344 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: talk with the service manager of the Mercedes dealership Kay, 345 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: and say, listen, this is your car, and this is 346 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: your bread and butter. Um, have you looked at it? 347 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: And if not, why not? And win and get back 348 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: to us. I'm curious what happens. Good luck to you. 349 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm running any of the Car Doctor. We are back 350 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: right after this, Geffrey have welcome back running any of 351 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. We are rolling along here. Let's go 352 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: over to David and Iowa. David. Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. 353 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: How can I help David? David? You're there, sir, Yeah, yeah, Well, 354 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: you know the ions were in the way today. It 355 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: must be. It must be harsh weather in Iowa. Either 356 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: that or Iowa is still confused. After the caucus, there's 357 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 1: not a lot going on. It's uh, the electricity has 358 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 1: to clear out the well whatever and looking for you? Okay, 359 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: so when you can recording there, says I told you so, Well, 360 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: there you go. So what's going on today? Buddy? How 361 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: can I help? David? Yeah you're there? David? Well, I 362 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: think David you're there. You think you're there? Where would 363 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: you be if you? Yeah? David? Well, I don't hear 364 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: your on it to call you back? David's gonna call 365 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: us back. Maybe he's holding the wrong end of the phone, 366 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: right that this the one with the less holes. Well whatever, 367 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: Let's go over to John in Minnesota. John, while we're 368 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: waiting for David and everybody else, how are you John? 369 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Yeah? Okay? And I can hear John. 370 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: See it's an Iowa thing. Well I need a minute here, John, 371 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: This is an Iowa thing, all right. First, the caucus 372 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: is now the phones nothing works in Iowa today. What's 373 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: going on? Poor Iowa? So let's try and help. Let's 374 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: have prayers for Iowa. We'll start a campaign on Facebook. Uh, John, 375 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm ready, go ahead. What's going on? All right? I 376 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: got a two dollars and five Chevy Silverado, and for 377 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: about two years now I had the occasional ignition lock 378 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: out where get in and turn the key and lights 379 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: come on, but nothing happens. Okay, I've messed around, done 380 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: some internet searchers, and sometimes I can get it unlocked 381 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: by playing with the locks some things. That takes a 382 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: few different tries up to thirty minutes to drink and 383 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: get the thing unlocked. You're but David, you're talking about 384 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: You're talking about it like it's you turn the key. 385 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: You have dash lights, yes, some of them. Anyhow, if 386 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: you if you go through the light, check right, and 387 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: if you turn the key to crank, it just doesn't 388 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: crank exactly. Why don't you think it's a bad starter? Uh? 389 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: Because most of the time it's fine, but then half 390 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: the time it's broken. Right, And then uh, like I say, 391 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: through an internet search, I found out that you do 392 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: a sequencing for turning the locks on and off, and 393 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: sometimes that will do it, and sometimes it doesn't, and 394 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: you just gotta leave it sit for a while, try 395 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: it all again and it'll work. Can we be scientific 396 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: about it. Sure, all right, let's go down to the starter, 397 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: or let's go to the usebox. Um. I forget which fuse, 398 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: but there's a fuse in the fuse box. It's gonna 399 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: tap to the relay that's going to engage the solenoid 400 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: feed down to the wire. I'm trying to think of 401 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: the easiest place you can pick up the solenoid feed 402 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: to the starter. I just I'd like to get a 403 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: test lead. I believe it's still a purple wire um 404 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: down to the solenoid feed. I'd still like to get 405 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: a test lead on that with a bulb or just 406 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: a place where you could tap in with a voltmeter. 407 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: And when you take it to crank, if you've if 408 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: you don't have power to the starter, that's one thing. 409 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: But if you've got power to the starter, if you've 410 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: got a hot going to the solenoid and the and 411 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: and the cable connections at the starter itself are good. 412 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: You know. I'm just thinking we've got a bad starter. 413 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: I don't. And the only reason I said is because 414 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: the Internet doesn't fix cars. The Internet tends to confuse us, 415 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: all right, because and I'm not picking on your brother, 416 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: but it's been a year and I haven't heard you 417 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: say you did any testing with a voltmeter, and I 418 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: should ask that question, have you done any yet? Uh? No? Initially, Uh, 419 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: when it first happened, it was just a weird situation. 420 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: I parked it out in the yard and when I 421 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: like to move it back into your eyes, you just 422 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: didn't start. Okay. So now the other thing. The other thing, 423 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: This could be grounds one oh two, one oh three, 424 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: which are on the driver's side of the bell housing, 425 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: and then the one the back of the intake manifold. Uh, 426 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: this is a five three. I assume I should ask 427 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: that question. This is a five point three. Yeah. The 428 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: ground at the rear of the intake is a common 429 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: nightmare for electrical issues. That's main ground to the PCM 430 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: or one of the grounds for the PCM. And then 431 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: one oh two and one oh three, which you're in 432 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: the cluster of grounds on the driver's side. Second or 433 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: third bolt up the bell housing of the trans They corrode, 434 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: sometimes they fall off. Sometimes they're just a bad connection. 435 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: They're just a bear to get to. You need it 436 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: up in the air so you can when when you 437 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: put your head in the most impossible position on the 438 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: driver's side and count up the sidebolts of the trans 439 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: just about the point where your head hurts from stuffing 440 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: it into the floorboard, you'll see the ground studs the 441 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: ground islets on the bolt itself. Um, but they've been 442 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: known to corrode and create issues too. But you know, 443 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: I could take you down that path, but geez, wouldn't 444 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: it be easier? Why don't we just go down to 445 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: the starter, find the lead tap in the next time 446 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: it happens, Let's put a bulb wire a bulb inside 447 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: the truck. If that bulb is lit and you're confident 448 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: that the cable connections to the starter are good and 449 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: you've got good ground, it's it's it's a bad starter, 450 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: you know. And and I just I just I just 451 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: don't want to get too far over the edge because 452 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: right now, and listen, everybody's got a different way of 453 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: doing things, all right. I like a cheeseburger one way, 454 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: you like it another. I'm just trying to keep it 455 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: so that we all get the same cheeseburger, all right. 456 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: It's it's let's just go for simple first. The worst, 457 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: the worst thing that happens here is you spend an 458 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: hour of time. You set yourself up to test the starter, 459 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: and you come back to me next week and go, ron, 460 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: it's not the star the starter. Uh there was no 461 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: light or there was no power going down to the 462 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: starter when this happened. And then I'll go, okay, so 463 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: now let's go backwards up the circuit. But then at 464 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: least we know, right, right, yeah, thats good sense. You know, 465 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: it's otherwise you're gonna and I did read where the 466 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: grounds are a problem? Right, And that's okay, you know what? 467 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,479 Speaker 1: And and I'm not gonna lie. Sure do I use 468 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: the internet? Yeah, I'll sit there and I'll google something 469 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: and I'll say but then I'll also sit there and say, okay, 470 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: but how do I prove it? You know, how do 471 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: I take a meter and show that that that this 472 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: is a legitimate real world approach? You know what I'm saying, 473 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: because otherwise, you know, otherwise it's it's been a year 474 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: and you're still going, well maybe this, maybe that. Remember 475 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: remember what I always tell you, And I'll leave it 476 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: here sometimes figuring out what's bad. You gotta know what's good. 477 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: You know what's good. You know, it's not that you 478 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: move on to the next thing. All right, figure out 479 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: how it's figure out what is right, figure out what 480 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: is working. Remember do you ever watch it? You ever 481 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: watch Star Trek when you were a kid all the time? 482 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: Now right? Yeah? Still I love Enterprise. I'm just getting 483 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: through season three. So if you notice, every time the 484 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: captain goes what's broken, they always say, well, this is broken, 485 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: this is broken. He always says, yeah, but what's working? 486 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: Because they always got to know what's working, what's left? 487 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta play Star Star Trek and go what's left, 488 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: And that's the most important part of a diagnosis. All right, 489 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: So you call me back, let me know if the 490 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: starter is good or bid. All right, appreciate, You're welcome, sir, 491 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: Good luck, take care. Zero nine zero warp drive. We're 492 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: out of here. We'll be back right after this. Go back. 493 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: Weren't any of the car doctor. Let's get over to 494 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: Audrey and main. Audrey, you're own with the car doctor. 495 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: How can I help? Thanks for calling the show today. Hi, 496 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: I'm calling seve a two thousand eighteen Chevy Colorado. It 497 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: has thirty four thousand miles on it now and it 498 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: has a lot of electrical issues. Um, what sort of 499 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: electrical issues? And who's diagnosing it. So when I first 500 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: got it, I got it with about eighteen thousand miles 501 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: on it. And the first thing that happened was the 502 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: stable tracker light came on. Yeah yeah, and you couldn't 503 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: you couldn't turn it off. Um. Then the next time 504 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: it happened, that came on, and and I told my 505 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: husband that it seemed like my tachometer was reving a 506 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,959 Speaker 1: little bit higher than it normally does, and um, like 507 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: the more the truck warmed up, it seems like it 508 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 1: went away. And then the next time it happened, Um, 509 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: that tracker light came on, and then almost every light 510 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: on my dashboard came on. My power steering, my annie 511 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: luck breaks, my gauges went crazy like they were going 512 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: up and down. My truck wouldn't shift out of third 513 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: gear like it was stuck in or gear. UM. And 514 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: I brought it immediately to the dealership that time, and 515 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,719 Speaker 1: I left it running so that they could, you know, 516 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: get the computer hooked up to it. And they basically said, 517 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: there's a laundry list of codes. Um. It's been there 518 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: for a month now because the only thing that they 519 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: can really think to do is to um start it 520 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: in the morning when it's cold and hope all the 521 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: codes come back on and try to go through them 522 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: and see what's actually wrong. Well, aren't I think what 523 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: they're trying to tell you is that it had all 524 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: these fault codes, they've cleared them and they were waiting 525 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: to see what comes back. Is that a better you 526 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: think that's more like what they're trying to do, because 527 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: if if, if, if they wanted to know what codes 528 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: to pursue, they've they should have a print out because 529 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: they saw it and cleared it right exactly. But the 530 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: last time I talked to them, they said that when 531 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: they've gone, they've got it to do it again. But 532 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: they didn't have the laptop hooked up to it, So 533 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit confused. Yeah, I would think the 534 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: same thing, that they have a laundry list of the 535 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: code there there is there. There's a couple of known 536 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: issues with this um UH. One is the electronic brake 537 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: control module al right, which which is down under the truck. 538 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, there's there's a few pieces 539 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: of special service information from GM They talk about problems 540 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: with the connector of the electronic brake control module being 541 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: corroded on the inside. And what that does is, now 542 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: you've just created a short circuit, and if you want 543 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: to think of it in terms of that, but a 544 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: short circuit of electrical connectivity across various modules and circuits, 545 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: because a lot of things tap into the I'm gonna 546 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: call it the e b c M, the electronic brake 547 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: control module to say, electronic break control module. Every time. UM, 548 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of circuits tap into the 549 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: e b c M. And so now you've just basically 550 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: taken you know, think of you know, three or four 551 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: major highways and you've now just basically made three or 552 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: four short cuts between them, opening up the multitude possibilities 553 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: of how many circuits can get cross circuited to each other. 554 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: And you know, turn lights on, turn lights off, UM, 555 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: have all sorts of issues. So you know, at this point, 556 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: let me ask you this, was it wet? I'm realized 557 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: it's been a month, but was it wet when they 558 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: had the when when you first had the problem with 559 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: the truck? Was it snowing? Was it raining? Um? No? 560 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: I well, my husband is saying, yeah, UM, it happens 561 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: usually it seems to happen when you first start the truck. 562 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: But the day before it was really cold, and you 563 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 1: know it seems to happen when the truck is cold. Okay, 564 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: so well, but was it cold and wet? Um? And 565 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: I guess why I'm asking is how about a trip 566 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: through the car wash? No? No, no, no, no? How 567 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: about if they were to take it through the car 568 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: wash and then let the truck sit and come back 569 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: the next day and start it? Is some that is 570 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: something getting wet. You know, water, water's water is like 571 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: a politician. Sometimes it takes a while to get it moving. 572 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: And you know it's it's just if you if you 573 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: wash it on Monday and you wait till Tuesday and 574 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it acts up. Probably not 575 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: a coincidence, all right, So you know, would that help them? 576 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: Number one? Number two? I'd be curious, you know, did 577 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: they have communication faults? Again? Let me let me explain 578 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: this to you. You know, it's funny today's communication day. 579 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: I wonder if the planets having problems communicating? Um not 580 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: not not not at you Audrey. Uh, you know it's funny. 581 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: We've had a lot of calls this hour on can communication. 582 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: So you have more than one phone in your house, right, 583 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: or do you have landline phones in your house? Still? Okay? 584 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: So you got like three or four phones? Okay, rats, 585 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: it won't work with you. Pretend you have three okay, 586 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: and you know back in the day I store remember 587 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: as a kid, when one phone is off the hook, 588 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: none of the phones would work all right. So that's 589 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: really what controlled area network or can communications are. It's 590 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: just a giant phone system. And right now the question 591 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: is is it one module, multiple modules, or the phone 592 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: lines that are pulling the networked out and making it 593 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: do what it's doing. When you have multiple lights on 594 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: for multiple systems on the average vehicle, it would be 595 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: it would be kind of unusual to have seven different failures. 596 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: You're you're looking for the common commonality. You know, you're 597 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: looking for the one thing that creates all seven or 598 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: roll five or all four? Right, makes sense? So you 599 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: know which phones off the hook? If this car has 600 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: a communication fault, you uh, usually it's a use zero. 601 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: Um would be a communication issue. I would really take 602 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: a hard look at that E B C m um. 603 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: The other thing that I would do ask them if 604 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: they've looked at data lines at the A L D 605 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: L connector all right, do that? Ask them if they 606 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: looked at data data line signals at the A L 607 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: D L connector under the dash and that might put 608 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: them back on their heels a little bit, and let 609 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: them know that you've been talking to somebody, and then 610 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: shoot me an email ron at Car Doctor Show dot 611 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: com and let's get that answer from them and then 612 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: we can kind of talk and maybe we can talk 613 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: a little bit more on air. All right, I gotta go. 614 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: You you know where to find me. Zero. We're back 615 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: right after this. Welcome back. Why don't they the car 616 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: Doctor you know this? This seems to be appropriate, right. 617 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: We've had so many conversations this hour about cars with 618 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: communication false controlled area network falls, can system failures? This 619 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: out of all data the folks over at Old Data 620 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: Old Data dot com. Out of their recent blog entriesay 621 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: Santa Fe. We also the Super Bowl commercial with park 622 00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: assist Gee, what could go wrong with that? Day? Anna 623 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: f a forty nine thousand and change miles park assistant operative. 624 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: The vehicle had been in a front end collision, was 625 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: in the body shop for repairs. After the repairs were 626 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: made and vehicle returned to the customer, the vehicles returned 627 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: to the body shop because the park assist system was 628 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: not working properly. The tech advised the body shop tech 629 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: to connect the scan tool and check for codes there 630 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: were There were none, so next day looked at live 631 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: data and the BCM. The park assist sensors showed a 632 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: warning message which never changed whether something was in front 633 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: of the vehicle or not. The body shop tech removed 634 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: the front bumper to gain access to the park assist 635 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: censor and found the green Lynn bus wire, which is 636 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: that style controlled area network and the black wire were 637 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: damaged and shorting. Together. The shorting wires were interrupting communication 638 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: to the BCM. That's like textbook of what we've been 639 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 1: talking about this hour. So the technician of the future, 640 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: I don't think the future is the guy that can 641 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: overhaul an engine. Yeah, we're still gonna need guys that 642 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: can overhaul engines, and we can still need people that 643 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: do basic maintenance and troubleshooting. But the guy that can 644 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: take a controlled area network apart and understand that data 645 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: signals and look for problems at a connector under the 646 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: dash and tell you that you, hey, this module is 647 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: short and it's not sending out a proper signal. That's 648 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: the technician of the future. So courtesy of all Data 649 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: dot com, I'm not any in the car, doctor. Good 650 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 1: mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you