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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, it is Thursday. We have a great

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Speaker 4: Indeed we do.

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden facing a protester calling for a ceasefire. We

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Speaker 1: will tell you his response. He made some news with that.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that and also additional American response. We

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Speaker 1: also have a bit of a focus on what is

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Speaker 1: going on in the West Bank. Of course, we know

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Speaker 1: about the brutality in Gaza, but also violence escalating there

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Speaker 1: as well, so we'll break that down for you what

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Speaker 1: it could mean for the future of this conflict going forward.

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Speaker 4: Also a lot going on with regard to Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Toms, both in terms of US public opinion, but

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Speaker 1: also really the wheels kind of coming off internally and

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Speaker 1: some signs of growing discontent from some people close to Zelensky.

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Speaker 4: We will bring you all of that.

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Speaker 1: Also, some really interesting general election polls RFK Junior getting

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Speaker 4: And Dean Phillips, so that is interesting note as well.

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Speaker 1: And in the wake of the UAW scoring those big

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Speaker 1: So really interesting developments. They're also excited to be joined

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Speaker 1: by James Zogby to talk about the dramatic, truly stunning

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Speaker 1: fall in Arab American support for Biden's re elect Really

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Speaker 1: fascinating stuff to get into that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited to talk to him.

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Speaker 3: So we want to start with that. This happened late

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Speaker 2: President Joe Biden was at a fundraiser in Minneapolis when

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Speaker 2: he was confronted by a member who said that she

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Speaker 2: was a rabbi and asked him to call for a

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Speaker 3: He made some major news in his response. Let's take

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Speaker 5: I'm a rabbi. I need you to call for a

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Speaker 2: There you can see the rabbi asked him for a ceasefire.

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Speaker 2: Here is what he said, quote, I think that we

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Speaker 4: I don't even know what he wut with that.

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Speaker 2: I'm the guy that talked to CC to convince him

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Speaker 2: I understand the emotion. This is an incredibly complicated for

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Speaker 2: I supported a two state solution, I have from the beginning.

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Speaker 2: The fact is the matter is that Hamasa a terrorist organization,

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Speaker 2: of that is when he said I support a pause

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Speaker 4: It just trying to placate the person who's in there exactly.

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Speaker 2: This man has made so many pronouncements. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: The only reason we even know about this lady.

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Speaker 2: In the protester is because somebody happened to be filming it,

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Speaker 2: you know, in these offhanded like transcripted I've been that

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Speaker 2: That's why, you know, mister President, if you believe that,

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Speaker 2: then give a damn press conference and say it on

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Speaker 2: the cameras. We're making sure that we don't misquote you

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Speaker 2: or anything. Yeah, haphazard nature that Joe Biden, regardless, that

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Speaker 4: I have a lot to say about this.

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Speaker 1: So, first of all, it looks like the group that

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Speaker 4: With Jewish Voice for Peace.

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Speaker 1: So they're the people who posted the video of Rabbi

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Speaker 1: Jessica Rosenberg interrupting Biden calling for the ceasefire, and they

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Speaker 4: That's number one.

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Speaker 1: Number two very noteworthy that while Biden was in Minneapolis, which,

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Speaker 1: into some war of this with James Agby on the

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Speaker 1: politics of how all this is going for Biden. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so that's one piece. Another pieces, this whole humanitarian pause

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Speaker 1: this is not a thing that like exists that you know, Oh,

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Speaker 1: of course you call for the humanitarian pause. It's total

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Speaker 1: this is what Bernie Sanders has decided he's going to say.

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Speaker 4: This is what.

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Speaker 1: Tony Blinken had already made some noise about this. There

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Speaker 4: It really is completely utterly.

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Speaker 1: Meaningless, especially when you aren't applying any of the considerable

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Speaker 1: Like how long is the pause?

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Speaker 4: What is the pause for?

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Speaker 1: Does that mean after you know, okay, stop bombing for

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Speaker 2: I think that everybody understands exactly what we're talking about here,

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Speaker 2: like multiple twisted different ways, and it sounds just as

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Speaker 2: change in US policy. We'll see, as Trump used to say.

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Speaker 2: What we do know though, is that there are some

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Speaker 2: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: So this was a I guess trial balloon that has

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Speaker 2: quote put Gaza under the United Nations oversight. And again

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Speaker 2: So I can first of all just say hell no

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Speaker 2: Then basically they're turning to the P five plus one.

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Speaker 2: So there's so many levels to this insane plan. But

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Speaker 2: the TLDR of it is Israel wants to you know, what,

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Speaker 2: how many? What percent of Gaza has already gone a

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Speaker 2: We are not stepping in to clean up your mess

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Speaker 2: How on the ground if we were to properly occupy

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Speaker 2: US UK forces. First of all, we have way.

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Speaker 3: Better things to do than occupy Gaza.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think anyone has taken seriously what it

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Speaker 2: would actually take to do this. Now we are responsible

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Speaker 2: for restoring security in this place insanity.

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Speaker 1: Well not to mention like you can frame them as

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Speaker 1: to view that force? That's what I'm talking And then

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Speaker 1: we're the occupiers directly. I mean, it's bad enough it's

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Speaker 1: our bombs that are hitting them. Okay, that's horrifying enough.

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Speaker 1: And we're funding the occupying force now directly US troops

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Speaker 1: Even if you don't care about the morality, think of

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Speaker 3: This is like the last time we had this.

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Speaker 2: Amount of force that was masked in this we invaded Iraq.

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Speaker 2: Just look very clearly at what they're prepping for. I

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Speaker 2: But if you put these pieces of news together, you

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Speaker 3: You don't need F sixteens.

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Speaker 3: You don't even need that to go after Hezbolad. You

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the reason why we give Egypt

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking about a massive war. And Secretary of

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Speaker 6: Let's do a thought experiment. Hamas, at some point in

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Speaker 7: I think we have a two shoals, if you will.

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Speaker 7: So in between those shoals are a variety of possible

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're talking about nation building. Let's just be very

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Speaker 2: Regime change, regime change and nation building, all of this

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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting, we actually spent more inflation adjusted

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Speaker 3: But that's a whole other conversation. But I've got a

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Speaker 2: But point being, we are talking about nation building, fake

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Speaker 2: And the plan right now is only the Americans, the

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Speaker 3: And then what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: we used to take in Afghanistan when we were doing this,

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Speaker 2: and we'll send in these USAID idiots and we'll be like,

442
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Speaker 2: we'll build you a well as long as you love us,

443
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 2: and they're like, yeah, totally, just give us the money

444
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Speaker 2: and then we'll shoot at you on your way out

445
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Speaker 2: and then thirty years later we'll be a billion dollars

446
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Speaker 2: trillion dollars or whatever in the hole. And the Israelis

447
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 2: are sitting there laughing because we're dumb enough to do this, Like,

448
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 2: absolutely not from the get go. It should be a

449
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 2: demand and red line should be drawn. They're like, we're

450
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Speaker 2: not doing this. You are responsible, and by that you

451
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 2: can get your ass on a plane and go to

452
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Speaker 2: Riod and to you know where, Tehran, wherever you need

453
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Speaker 2: to go, Jordan, Aman, and you guys can figure this out.

454
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Speaker 3: Because this is a regional problem.

455
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Speaker 2: The US will help you, but we are not going

456
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Speaker 2: to be backstopping and security guaranteeing all this stuff for Gaza.

457
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Speaker 2: And you know, all of this is it almost seems

458
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Speaker 2: fanciful because, as we were just talking about while the

459
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Speaker 2: clip was playing, the idea that they could truly rid

460
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Speaker 2: Gaza of Hamas just seems ludicrous at this point. I mean,

461
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Speaker 2: it's possible, it's certainly possible. Does Israel really want to

462
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Speaker 2: take you know, fifty thousand.

463
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Speaker 3: Casualties in Gaza?

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Speaker 2: I'm honestly dubious that that is even politically sustainable or

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Speaker 2: possible or not even that in terms of Israel and

466
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Speaker 2: in Gaza. I'm doing is whether the international community doesn't

467
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Speaker 2: escalate to a much broader level at that point. So

468
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Speaker 2: maybe all of this is a moot conversation, but we

469
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Speaker 2: are all of the crumbs. The crumbs for the disaster

470
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Speaker 2: in Iraq were laid well before we ever invaded. In fact,

471
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Speaker 2: many smart people predicted exactly what was going to happen

472
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Speaker 2: far before the invasion. We are at the same point

473
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Speaker 2: where we need to read all the tea leaves for

474
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Speaker 2: what the plans are and all that. And you know,

475
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Speaker 2: a year two years from now, when all this stuff

476
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Speaker 2: starts materializing in these possible scenarios, and we like, see

477
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Speaker 2: they told us years before, they told us.

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Speaker 1: Put a eight up on the screen, guys, because this

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Speaker 1: speaks to the other possibility, which is the one that

480
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Speaker 1: Israel has really been pushing, which is and this was

481
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Speaker 1: laid out by a think tank aligned with the government,

482
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Speaker 1: is also laid out in the government ministry report that

483
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Speaker 1: we brought to you before. Where the idea is you

484
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Speaker 1: basically first, and this.

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Speaker 4: Goes in phases.

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Speaker 1: Phase number one is you push everybody out of northern Gaza.

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Speaker 1: That's already happened. I mean, there are still people there

488
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Speaker 1: who couldn't flee and who are sheltering in hospitals, et cetera.

489
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Speaker 1: But evacuation order has already come down, even though they're

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Speaker 1: still bombing southern Gaza.

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Speaker 4: Okay, then you do the ground vane.

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Speaker 1: Then you push everybody out of southern Gaza, and you

493
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Speaker 1: pressure Egypt and use the US to help pressure Egypt

494
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Speaker 1: to take in all of the Palestinians and completely displace

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Speaker 1: them from the Gaza strip. These are the detendants of

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Speaker 1: refugees who went through the original Nakma, so the full

497
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Speaker 1: like second Nakba is their ideal plan now one way. Now,

498
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Speaker 1: you may think, and this is something we talked about before.

499
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Speaker 1: Egypt and CECI have already said hell no, absolutely not

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Speaker 1: off the table. CEC told this to blink Intua his face,

501
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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: Well, here's the.

503
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Speaker 1: Leverage they want to use, which is really gross. They're

504
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Speaker 1: proposing writing off a significant chunk of Egypt's considerable international

505
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Speaker 1: debts through the world to entice the cash strapped government

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Speaker 1: to open its doors for displaced Palestinians. That's the point

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Speaker 1: of leverage, reportedly that they want to use. And they

508
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Speaker 1: even have said in some of these documents like listen, yeah, sure,

509
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Speaker 1: right now they're saying, no way, we don't want you know,

510
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Speaker 1: we don't want these refugees, and we're not going to

511
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Speaker 1: deal with it, and you know, we're not going to

512
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Speaker 1: be part of this full ethnic cleansing of the Gaza strip,

513
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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. But you know, you come a

514
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Speaker 1: year down the road and the pressure is mounting over

515
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Speaker 1: these debts and the other scenarios, as we've just been

516
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Speaker 1: laying out, are sort of preposterous and ridiculous. They are

517
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Speaker 1: betting on people's minds changing and this becoming, you know,

518
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Speaker 1: essentially a FATA complee where there is no other real

519
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Speaker 1: option available. And I think that is a very real

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Speaker 1: possibility as well. So that's what they're really banking on,

521
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Speaker 1: you know, the US, I don't know if they're I

522
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Speaker 1: don't I can't believe they're this stupid, but they're sort

523
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Speaker 1: of floating and pushing behind the scenes, like maybe the

524
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Speaker 1: ideal thing is for the Palestinian Authority to men in

525
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Speaker 1: rule Gaza. Palestonine authority has been so neutered in the

526
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Speaker 1: West Bank it has no credibility if there is no

527
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Speaker 1: way that it is in a position to govern Gazai,

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Speaker 1: not a chance. And as I mentioned before, the net

529
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Speaker 1: Nahoo government and not just net Yahoo by the way,

530
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Speaker 1: like Vaswass of the Kanesset, have no interest in having

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Speaker 1: any sort of unity between the West Bank and between

532
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Speaker 1: the Gaza strip. Why because that creates the possibility of

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Speaker 1: a Palestinian statehood and that is something they are so

534
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Speaker 1: opposed to that they were willing to backome Us and

535
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Speaker 1: risk exactly the type of atrocity that ended up unfolding.

536
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Speaker 1: So to them it's completely off the table. And again

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Speaker 1: it's fanciful to think that the PA would even be

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Speaker 1: capable of pulling this off to start with. So there

539
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Speaker 1: are there are really zero good options here for what

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Speaker 1: comes after. And then you raised an important point Socergn.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me so much of this just reminds me

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Speaker 1: of the way all of the War on Terror stuff unfolded.

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Speaker 1: War on Terror, well, that is an incredibly squishy concept,

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Speaker 1: and we've seen the way that the powers we gave

545
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: our government during that time have been now used to

546
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: like wage war wherever they want, whatever they want without

547
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Speaker 1: consulting us all over the world. Hamas is also a

548
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Speaker 1: very squishy concept. I would like to hear someone in

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Speaker 1: the Israeli government define exactly what they mean when they

550
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Speaker 1: talk about quote unquote hamas, because then we're going to

551
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Speaker 1: get to this in a minute. You know, you have

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Speaker 1: quite a number of Israeli government officials at this point

553
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Speaker 1: defining hamas as literally everyone in Gaza. You have a

554
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Speaker 1: Republican member of Congress who seems to be defining hamas

555
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Speaker 1: in that same way. So when we're talking about eliminating hamas,

556
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Speaker 1: what exactly does that even mean based on their words?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a pretty scary possibility of what they're

558
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Speaker 1: laying out here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an important point, and it actually takes us

560
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Speaker 2: back just you know, we're talking about Iraq.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about lessons. One of the things that America

562
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Speaker 3: probably the single biggest mistake.

563
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Speaker 2: Other than invading in the first place, that we made

564
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Speaker 2: in Iraq, is that we went in and anybody who

565
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Speaker 2: belonged to the Bath Party aka the Saddam regime, We're like, no,

566
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Speaker 2: you're done. It's called it's called debath of acasion. And

567
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: you know that's on paper. You're like, oh, that makes sense.

568
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Speaker 2: The bad guys also, they're like, oh wait, all the

569
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Speaker 2: teachers are gone, Oh wait, the police are gone, oh wait,

570
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Speaker 2: we're disbanding the everybody who knows how to do literally anything,

571
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Speaker 2: and all of civil society. And then three months later,

572
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Speaker 2: lo and behold, all these guys start to become terrorists

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Speaker 2: and shoot at American soldiers like, oh, shocking, it's absolutely shocking.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we took her job.

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Speaker 1: They're still armed and equipped and trained, and what do

576
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Speaker 1: you think is going to happen?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, mister President Bush. These are some lessons that

578
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Speaker 2: we should really not forget. It wasn't that long ago, guys,

579
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Speaker 2: It was only twenty years, and yet we're repeating all

580
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Speaker 2: the same same mistakes and it's just, you know, ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: But let's move on.

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Speaker 2: There's another important point of news here that we don't

583
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Speaker 2: want to forget that's part of all this, which is

584
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Speaker 2: Americans who are currently inside of Gaza. Initially we talked

585
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Speaker 2: a little bit about it. It's been more than three

586
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Speaker 2: weeks now at this point and they're still not out

587
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Speaker 2: of Gaza, which bears so many questions about why and

588
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Speaker 2: how and why does this take me so long? Only

589
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: just yesterday we can go and put this up there

590
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Speaker 2: on the screen. The Rafa crossing from Gaza into the

591
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Speaker 2: Sinai Peninsula in Egypt opened for the first time. You

592
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Speaker 2: can see some of the crowds here of people being

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Speaker 2: allowed out into the Rafa crossing. These are mostly foreign

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Speaker 2: passport holders, but there's a lot of questions crystal as

595
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Speaker 2: to why no American passport holders were allowed to pass through.

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Speaker 2: Nobody still actually is aware. It appears that the Americans

597
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Speaker 2: are The Americans are telling them that the passing will

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Speaker 2: come soon. Can we put a nine please up there

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Speaker 2: on the screen, just so people can say that US

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Speaker 2: citizens were excluded from the list of approved foreign nationals.

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Speaker 2: The attorney for the Massachusetts family tells a news They

602
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Speaker 2: say that nationals permitted to cross were from Japan, Austria, Bulgaria, Indonesia, Jordan, Australia,

603
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Speaker 2: the Czech Republic, and Finland. So it's an open question

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Speaker 2: here of whether these people are being held hostage or not.

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Speaker 2: Now President Biden is claiming that we expect American citizens

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Speaker 2: to depart today, but he said that yesterday, and as

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Speaker 2: of now the shooting of our show, it's morning time,

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Speaker 2: which means this afternoon or sometime in Israel or in

609
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Speaker 2: Gaza right now, from what we can see, that has

610
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Speaker 2: not yet happened. So there is an open question as

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Speaker 2: to the success even of this so called deal that

612
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Speaker 2: they've had Crystal to get these people out. On top

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Speaker 2: of that, there were some seventy six critically injured Palestinians

614
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Speaker 2: that were allowed to go through to go to a hospital.

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Speaker 2: But the vast majority and pretty much the only people

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Speaker 2: who are going to be coming through that crossing are

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Speaker 2: very very critically injured people and foreign passport holders period.

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Speaker 3: But our citizens remain inside of this country.

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Speaker 2: And again so the hypocrisy of the press, just like

620
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Speaker 2: everybody cared about all these American citizens in Afghanistan, like

621
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden left them behind all this. These are our

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Speaker 2: citizens sitting in God, there's five hundred of them. Where

623
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Speaker 2: are they? We have no clue. You know, they could

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Speaker 2: be dead for all we know at this point.

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Speaker 4: That's fairy true.

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Speaker 1: According to State Department spokesperson, yesterday, Matthew Millery said an

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Speaker 1: initial group of foreign nationals, including some US citizens, departed

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Speaker 1: Gaza through Rafa Dei said today that was yesterday, so

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Speaker 1: they claimed some Americans went through, but the reporting suggests

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Speaker 1: the bulk of Americans still remain in Gaza. The reporter

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Speaker 1: goes on to note doesn't say if they were dual

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Speaker 1: nationals using other passports. That's a possibility, is that you

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Speaker 1: know they were what were the lists Japanese and American

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Speaker 1: passport holders, and so they were able to get out

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Speaker 1: because they were Japanese passport We don't know. Yeah, does

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Speaker 1: not answer a question whether it was a handful or more.

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Speaker 1: And again the Biden administration saying that the bulk of

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Speaker 1: them will be allowed to leave today. We'll see if

639
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: that ultimately unfolds. And some of the reporting also suggested

640
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Speaker 1: that it was kind of intentional from the US that

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Speaker 1: they wanted to wait and see how this crossing went,

642
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Speaker 1: whether it was safe, whether it was actually possible to achieve.

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Speaker 1: So definitely something that we want to keep our eye on.

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Speaker 1: You can understand from Israel's perspective, they have a lot

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Speaker 1: of incentive to want this crossing to occur because obviously,

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Speaker 1: for you know, their big ally, the United States of America,

647
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: this was a really point of pressure here and on discomfort.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the number of Americans who are at risk

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Speaker 1: of dying in these bombings is relatively significant, so that's

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Speaker 1: what's going on there, you know. I also want to

651
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Speaker 1: you mentioned the the number of dozens of injured, critically

652
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Speaker 1: injured Palestinians who were allowed out to these field hospitals

653
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Speaker 1: in the Sinai Desert in Egypt. And I am glad

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Speaker 1: that they were able to get out and get treatment

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Speaker 1: because most many of the hospitals in Gaza have already

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Speaker 1: shut down at this point, the very latest. But this

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Speaker 1: a ten up on the screen. This hospital, which was

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Speaker 1: the only place, the Turkish Palestinian Friendship Hospital in Gaza,

659
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Speaker 1: this was the only hospital remaining that performs cancer treatments.

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Speaker 1: This has now shut down We're now at a place

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Speaker 1: where sixteen of the Gaza Strip's thirty five hospitals are

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Speaker 1: already out of service, as are more than fifty of

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Speaker 1: Gaza's seventy two primary healthcare clinics. This is all just

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Speaker 1: to underscore the seventy some critically injured who were able

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Speaker 1: to go to this Egyptian field hospital. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is less than a drop.

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Speaker 4: In the bugget it. Really.

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Speaker 1: It's really in line with, you know, the liberal ass

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Speaker 1: covering of the Oh, we quote unquote want a humanitarian pause,

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Speaker 1: We're not going to do anything to achieve it, and

671
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Speaker 1: it doesn't really mean anything even if we did, but

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Speaker 1: that's what we want. Or we really hope that Israel

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Speaker 1: follows international law, even as we already know from the jump,

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Speaker 1: the minute they announced we're going to do a complete

675
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Speaker 1: like medieval siegure, we know they're not following international law.

676
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Speaker 1: But still three weeks later, we're still hand ringing with

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Speaker 1: Warren sending on twists. G I hope, I really hope

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Speaker 1: they'll follow international law. This, you know, Egyptian Field Hospital

679
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Speaker 1: appears to be the same level of bullshit, minimal ass

680
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Speaker 1: covering something you can point to or the other one

681
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Speaker 1: I would put in this saga is like, oh, we

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Speaker 1: increase the number of aid trucks from making these numbers up,

683
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Speaker 1: but they're pathetically small numbers from like twenty to twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Aren't we so amazing? Look at how humanitarian we are. Meanwhile,

685
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Speaker 1: the UN is like they need one hundred trucks of

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Speaker 1: aid every single day if you're going to be even

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Speaker 1: close to providing sufficient resources for a population that is

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Speaker 1: being starved and dehydrated and has no fuel as we speak.

689
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Speaker 1: So just keep that in mind when you see and

690
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Speaker 1: I saw that, you know, New York Times and watch

691
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Speaker 1: they were all in on this, like, oh, seventy people

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Speaker 1: got treatment in the Egyptian desert. Compare that to the

693
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Speaker 1: number of people injured, let alone killed. It is it

694
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Speaker 1: is pathetically insufficient, pathetically insufficient.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it also comes after I know that

696
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Speaker 2: Ryan and Emily did job talking about some of this yesterday. Yeah,

697
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Speaker 2: we've got some of this that we can put, you know,

698
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Speaker 2: up there on the screen that just shows you some

699
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Speaker 2: of the damage that continues inside of Gaza, and this

700
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Speaker 2: is the daily reality now at this point, it almost

701
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Speaker 2: you know, it's difficult because it just shows you that

702
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Speaker 2: we are slow walking ourselves to a point of something.

703
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Speaker 3: You know, this is an unsustainable situation.

704
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Speaker 2: Where we've got air strikes that are dropping international outcry.

705
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Speaker 2: After this refugee camp was bombed, the Israelis say that

706
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Speaker 2: there was a Hamas terrorists that was inside of the

707
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Speaker 2: refugee camp. But I think, really what this highlights, as

708
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Speaker 2: you were talking, you know, with the Rafa crossing, with

709
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Speaker 2: this US peacekeeper plan and more, is someone has got

710
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Speaker 2: to deal with this and we are either going to

711
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Speaker 2: get to that final point. You know, it's very unlikely

712
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Speaker 2: in my opinion, without it just breaking into an open,

713
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Speaker 2: full scale international crisis, and the war drums are beating,

714
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Speaker 2: the tension is high, the international situation. I mean, things

715
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: are crumbling in a way that most Americans don't really

716
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Speaker 2: seem to comprehend. The Jordanians, their neighbor kicked out the

717
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Speaker 2: Israeli ambassador, they said, get the hell out of here.

718
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Speaker 3: I just checked.

719
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Speaker 2: The Bahrain just did the exact same thing, where a

720
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Speaker 2: budget US troops are just so you know, Yemen, whatever

721
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Speaker 2: the Hoothy government or whatever, has officially.

722
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Speaker 3: Declared war on Israel, whatever that means.

723
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Speaker 2: Turkey, we have freaking aridiwan out there in Turkish being like, hey,

724
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Speaker 2: maybe we'll go to war with Israel. The Egyptians are

725
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Speaker 2: telling us we're willing to lose millions of people to

726
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Speaker 2: keep people off of our soil. It's like every single actor, Nucerella,

727
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: by the way, the leader of Hezbola, he is expected

728
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Speaker 2: to make an appearance in a statement sometime soon. It

729
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: could either be today or tomorrow. That's what some of

730
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Speaker 2: the reporting coming out of Lebanon is. The Iranians, the

731
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Speaker 2: foreign minister. You know, they've made several We've got multiple

732
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Speaker 2: US troops now who've got TBIs traumatic brain injuries, We've

733
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Speaker 2: had evacuated positions, and then on top of that, we've

734
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Speaker 2: got all this firepower which is in the region.

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Speaker 3: The stage is set. You know, things don't just happen

736
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Speaker 3: all at once.

737
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Speaker 2: They build up. But if you can read carefully what's happening,

738
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Speaker 2: all of the you know, all of the ingredients in

739
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: the powder keg have been assembled.

740
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Speaker 3: It just takes the match. Who knows what that is.

741
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Speaker 3: Nobody ever knows.

742
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you learn from history, but it's like all it

743
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 2: takes is the assemblage, and then the possibility now starts

744
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Speaker 2: to reach like ten thirty forty fifty.

745
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Speaker 3: We're rapidly approaching the coin toss.

746
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Speaker 4: The match may already have been lit for all we do.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they hit that that refugee camp where they

749
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Speaker 1: claimed there was one Hamas guy that they initially claimed, oh,

750
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Speaker 1: we got him, and then they proceeded to bomb the

751
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Speaker 1: same refugee camp two more times. That was enough of

752
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Speaker 1: a like clear atrocity that even Wolf Blitzer, who used

753
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Speaker 1: to be.

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Speaker 4: With Apak, Yeah, I read that was you guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure probably watch that on Counterpoints or somewhere else

756
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Speaker 1: yesterday as well. Even he was like, you knew there

757
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Speaker 1: were women and children there and you still bombed it.

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Speaker 1: And the IDF guy was like, eh, it's the cost

759
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Speaker 1: of war.

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Speaker 3: Cost of war.

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Speaker 1: It's just just imagine, just imagine if we were talking

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Speaker 1: about Israeli citizens, and would.

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Speaker 4: You bomb an entire neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: Of tens of thousands of people to get one Hamaskay

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Speaker 1: if those were Israeli citizens, Not a chance. And so yeah,

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Speaker 1: this the powder keg is lit. We have already stated clearly,

767
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Speaker 1: all of Biden's like oh, humanitarian pause or whatever nonsense aside.

768
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Speaker 1: The most clear state we made is we've given Israel

769
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Speaker 1: no red lines, and that's very clear. And even if

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Speaker 1: you do not care about the Palestinians who are being massacred,

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Speaker 1: that is extraordinarily dangerous for the world and for our

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Speaker 1: own security as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, I mean, I'll be honest, that's mostly the framework

775
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Speaker 2: that I take. I don't really I mean, I care

776
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Speaker 2: about all people. I care about our people the most,

777
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Speaker 2: just from a political perspective in terms of what we

778
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Speaker 2: have a responsibility to. And I got to be all

779
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Speaker 2: I got to say this too for all of the veterans.

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Speaker 2: And know a lot of veterans watched this show. The

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Speaker 2: United States military, we had a lot of bad things

782
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Speaker 2: that we did, mostly in the Drone War whenever it

783
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Speaker 2: came to this, but the way that we behaved in Iraq,

784
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: I feel so validated in so many of our troops

785
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Speaker 2: who went out of their way. Now I'm not saying

786
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Speaker 2: that there weren't many atrocities, but many of our troops

787
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 2: the official rules of engagement, especially two thousand and five

788
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Speaker 2: and all that onward, they put their lives on the

789
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Speaker 2: line to try and protect the civilian populace in Iraq

790
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Speaker 2: and more and more, I'm watching g Watt veterans, people

791
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Speaker 2: who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, who are honestly shocked

792
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Speaker 2: at the way that some of these Raelies are conducting themselves.

793
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Speaker 2: They're like, we would never do never, we would never

794
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Speaker 2: conduct ourselves this way in Iraq and in Afghanistan. Again,

795
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Speaker 2: there have been problems, and a lot of it actually

796
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Speaker 2: was the drone war, when we didn't have troops on

797
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: the ground and.

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Speaker 3: Or targets, remote controls the hotel.

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Speaker 2: Nobody really knows what's going on. Those were some of

800
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Speaker 2: the bigger mistakes. So a lot I think a lot

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Speaker 2: of veterans out there should be proud of the way

802
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Speaker 2: that they conducted themselves whenever they were actually engaged in

803
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Speaker 2: a full scale operation.

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Speaker 3: Because watching this, I'm like.

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Speaker 2: There's no way the United States military this is anathema,

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Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people know that in

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Speaker 2: terms of the way that we fought.

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Speaker 4: I'll take it one further.

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Speaker 1: The brutality we've seen in the short period of time

810
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Speaker 1: puts Russia to shane and their atrocious conduct in Ukraine,

811
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Speaker 1: like the level of total disregard for civilian life, the

812
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Speaker 1: willingness to level an entire refugee camp where you know

813
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Speaker 1: there are so many children, so many women, the proportion

814
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Speaker 1: of Hamas fighters of actual combatants that they're killing versus civilians.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is it's astonished. It is truly shocking,

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Speaker 1: and that's why you see liberals getting uncomfortable. They want

817
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Speaker 1: to have, you know, they want to have this language

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Speaker 1: about a humanitarian pause or whatever, because it's Undeniaed saw

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Speaker 1: Chris van Holland yesterday, like he personally knows a family

820
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Speaker 1: who have lost loved ones in this conflict. They weren't Hamas, they.

821
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Speaker 4: Weren't terrorists, they were just regular people.

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Speaker 1: And so I mean, the horror of this is shocking

823
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Speaker 1: and again for the whole world, extremely dangerous. Let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and transition into what's going on in the West Bank.

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Speaker 1: Counterpoints talked about some of this yesterday. This is really

826
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Speaker 1: important and we hadn't gone into it. So I want

827
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Speaker 1: to make sure people understand what's going on here as well.

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Speaker 1: The West Bank is absolutely also a powder keg right now,

829
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Speaker 1: and you have had even before the October seventh massacre

830
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Speaker 1: from Hamas, even before then, you had a huge increase

831
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Speaker 1: in violence settler attacks on residents of the West Bank.

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Speaker 1: And basically the idea here is that you know, the

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Speaker 1: net Nowhoo government, they don't want a Palestinian state. And

834
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Speaker 1: so over decades and long before the net Yahoo government too,

835
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Speaker 1: by the way.

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Speaker 4: They slowly, slowly, slowly.

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Speaker 1: Encroach on Palestinian land, build more settlements, build more illegal settlements,

838
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Speaker 1: build more illegal settlements, and they really want to push

839
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Speaker 1: all of the Palestinians out of this area they call

840
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Speaker 1: Area See and leave them with like basically a quarter

841
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Speaker 1: of the West Bank, the most densely populated areas.

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Speaker 4: And they use a variety of mechanisms to achieve this.

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Speaker 1: Partly they use this like bureaucratic process of technical laws

844
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Speaker 1: and jargon. That's like they don't give Palestinians any building

845
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Speaker 1: permits and then they'll like condemn their buildings and push

846
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Speaker 1: them off their land that way. And that's this like slow,

847
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Speaker 1: bloodless but still horrifying process of pushing Palestinians off of

848
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Speaker 1: their land. And then they also enabled by the state

849
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Speaker 1: directly by IDF soldiers, these Jewish settler extremists will go

850
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Speaker 1: in and using violence directly push people off of their land.

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Speaker 1: And that is the piece that has dramatically, dramatically accelerated,

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Speaker 1: especially during this conflict. But all years this has been developing.

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Speaker 1: This is enough of a concern that even our State

854
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Speaker 1: Department is starting to warn about what's going on here.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller

856
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Speaker 1: talking about the violence of the West Bank.

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Speaker 9: We consistently and unequivocally condemn all acts of terrorism and

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Speaker 9: violence and the target of civilians, including the recent attacks

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Speaker 9: by Israeli extremist settlers in the West Bank. Israel must

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Speaker 9: take measures to protect Palestinians from such attacks and to

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Speaker 9: hold accountable any settlers who carry out attacks, as well

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Speaker 9: as any members of the Israeli defense forces who stand

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Speaker 9: by or fail to intervene when these attacks occur. And

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Speaker 9: I will just say that we have made clear privately

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Speaker 9: to the Israeli government and publicly that these attacks are unacceptable,

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Speaker 9: they need to stop, and those responsible need to be

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Speaker 9: held accountable.

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Speaker 1: If we could go to a four, just so I

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Speaker 1: can show you the numbers of what's going on here.

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Speaker 1: We've had one hundred and fifteen Palestinians in the occupy

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Speaker 1: West Bank killed, more than two thousand injured, nearly one

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Speaker 1: thousand others forcibly displaced from their homes just since October seventh,

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00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: These are not Hamas numbers, These are not PA numbers.

874
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: This is according to the UN. So in this short

875
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: several week period of time, one hundred and fifteen killed.

876
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: Among the dead are thirty three children. And I want

877
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: you to understand when we're talking about Jewish settler violence,

878
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 1: and you know, these threats that sometimes you know, result

879
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: directly in murders, sometimes just result just quote unquote in

880
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: Palestinians being pushed off the land. Sometimes it's land that

881
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: they've farmed for, you know, hundreds of years them and

882
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: their ancestors. A majority of these attacks by Jewish settlers,

883
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: again according to the UN, are directly backed and protected

884
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: by the Israeli military. So IDF soldiers are they're they're

885
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: enabling this. Ben Gavie actually at the beginning of the

886
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: hostilities on October seventh, he distributed rifles mostly to the

887
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: Jewish settlers. You can imagine what they're going to use

888
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: them for. And so this is a process that has

889
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: dramatically accelerated that it's horrifying that the US is very

890
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: concerned about. And you know, we say, like, oh, we

891
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: hope this is Raeli government will do something about the

892
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: Israeli government is like actively backing this. This is not

893
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: a surprise to them. They are involved in this process

894
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: and long have been involved directly in pushing this process.

895
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: Let's get to the second element in this block. We

896
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: talk some about, you know, the idea of the Palestinian

897
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: Authority coming in and being able to take.

898
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 4: Over Gaza, et cetera, et cetera.

899
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: This was an important report for the LA time, so

900
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: people can understand some of the nuance here. Sager of

901
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: how Palestinians feel about the PA in the West Bank,

902
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: and they freaking hate them. And the reason they hate

903
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: them is because they feel like they are just collaborating

904
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: with the occupying force. And they also feel like and

905
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: I don't think this is just a feeling. I think

906
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: this is reality that as these rampages have been occurring,

907
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: the Palestinia authority does nothing about it. You know, they

908
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: have no one. There is no one there that will

909
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: protect them. There is no authority they can go to.

910
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: There's no police department they can go to. There is

911
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: no judge they can go to. There is no institution

912
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: that they can go to that is going to say

913
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: we're going to protect you from having these extremists come

914
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: with guns and push you off your land.

915
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

916
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: The problem for the Palestinian authority is, like you said,

917
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: they don't have any authority.

918
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 3: They haven't.

919
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: I mean the last time they were elected was two

920
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: thousand and five.

921
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 3: And the Old War, and now they you.

922
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 2: Know, they keep scheduling elections and then they don't happen.

923
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: They're effectively looked at from the Palestinian people, either fairly

924
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: or unfairly. You can decide as a prop by the

925
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: West and by Israel as some sort of legitimate authority

926
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 2: that you can just put in front of the UN

927
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: and be like, see we got Palisin.

928
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 4: We're working with the Palestini.

929
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: See President Biden is a meeting with them.

930
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: And look, some of these people they have a long

931
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: time like they're caught in a rocking hard place because

932
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: they at least they get representation, right Like they can

933
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: sit in front of the President of the United States

934
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: and they can deal with them, but they don't have

935
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: increasing democratic legitimacy. The reason why I think that we

936
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 2: are spending time on this is because we want people

937
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: to understand that the more violence that occurs here, the

938
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: more the people in the West Bank are going to

939
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: look away from the PA as a legitimate authority on

940
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: their behalf, and they are going to turn to Hamas.

941
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 3: I brought this up previously. Hamas has a very high

942
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 3: approval rating.

943
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: The last time that there was a poll in the

944
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: West Bank that was pre the conflict in Gaza. Just

945
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: to be totally honest, I mean that does validate them.

946
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 2: Is really talking points, but I do think it is true.

947
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: The reason why is because they're seen as these people

948
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: will fight, you know, these people will do this on

949
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 2: our behalf.

950
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 3: We've tried decades.

951
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 2: Now at this point, almost fifteen seventeen years with people

952
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 2: who are nonviolent and listen, I want it to be

953
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: non violent and I want it to be good. But

954
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 2: the unfortunate reality is that from their perspective, they are

955
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 2: clearly losing legitimacy, especially the more that they face violence.

956
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: I think that's what makes it such a powder kick,

957
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: because imagine this crystal. We have a whole plan predicated

958
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: on the PA that's going to take over Gaza. But

959
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 2: what if the PA falls in the West Bank in

960
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 2: the interim, we could see Actually, you know, Israel, I've

961
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: talked about this before. They fear two front war. They

962
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: actually could end up one. But it doesn't have with Hesboala,

963
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: they could have a full blown, like a spark like this, we're.

964
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 3: Inches away from that.

965
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: That's part of the reason why I think even the

966
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: US and the West have have not been silent at

967
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: all whenever it comes to the settler violence is because

968
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 2: they know very clearly that this could easily derail the

969
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: only in their eyes, legitimate political actor in the entire

970
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 2: region that supposedly speaks for Palestindians. And then we truly

971
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 2: are We're we're set back decades.

972
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 3: Right, that happens.

973
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: Well, it also we also should keep in mind the

974
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: PA being incredibly weak and discredited and having you know,

975
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: much more traction with Hamas like that is actually the

976
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: outcome the is Raelly government wanted to and helped to

977
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: affect you. So let's be like clear also about this

978
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: is exactly the scenario they wanted because if you have

979
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: a strong PA that Palestinians actually feel like, oh they

980
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: actually represent us, they actually protect us, they actually are

981
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: fighting for us.

982
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 4: If they are.

983
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: Able to, you know, then gain control in the in

984
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: the Gaza strip, then you have a unified Then they're

985
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: talking point about, well, there's no.

986
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 4: One we can negotiate with. So what are we going

987
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 4: to do? What are we going to do?

988
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: We you know, we of course we'd love for there

989
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: to be a Palatine, but we can't talk about a

990
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: Palestine in state until we have someone to negotiate with. Well,

991
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: then you lose that talking point, and they don't want

992
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: to lose that talking point. So this is exactly the

993
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: outcome that they desired and helped I'm not saying it's

994
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: one hundred percent them, but helped to engineer. I want

995
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: to show you also, just in terms of what this

996
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: looks like, because it sounds very abstract when we talk

997
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: about these settlers coming and pushing people off the land.

998
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 4: Put this up. This on the screen.

999
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: This is all It's an Arabic so I'll read the subtitles,

1000
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: but you can see these are Palestinians who are being

1001
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: pushed off the land. This man says, I was born

1002
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: in this community. My mother gave birth to me here.

1003
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: I don't know how our difficulty began when the settler

1004
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: arrived and they're packing up their things. You can see

1005
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: in the truck. Since the third day of the war,

1006
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: he hasn't let us sleep a single night. Every day

1007
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: he comes with the army. He attacked us and our

1008
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: children more than once, he goes on to say, and

1009
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: you can see them packing up.

1010
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 4: About four days ago.

1011
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: He came and smashed the windows, they drained the water

1012
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: tanks and attacked us with stones. And you've had a

1013
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: huge number of people just in this past three weeks

1014
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: pushed off of their land in exactly the same way.

1015
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: So to go back to the way that the Palestinians

1016
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: are viewing the actions of the Israeli government, you not

1017
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: only have these plans being released released leaked by a

1018
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: government ministry of like what we really want to do

1019
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: is push you into the Sinai, and then you have

1020
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: this acceleration of pushing Palestinians off the land in the

1021
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: West Bank. I mean, they are not wrong to see

1022
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: this as a coordinated plan to completely quote unquote solve

1023
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: their Palestinian problem for good, which again is not a

1024
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: new position for net Yahou and his party. This is

1025
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: what they have long wanted and this crisis they are

1026
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 1: hoping is going to be the spark that enables them

1027
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 1: to achieve their longtime goals.

1028
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

1029
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: To give you a sense also of just how you know,

1030
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: when we're talking about we use this language. I got

1031
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: the most extreme government history, et cetera, et cetera. And

1032
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: also when we're talking about the West Bank and what

1033
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: a powder keg it is and what an untenable situation,

1034
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen, this guy that they

1035
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,959
Speaker 1: just picked to head the subcommittee on the West Bank.

1036
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it's too far to say that he was,

1037
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: at least at one time basically an accused terrorist Jewish

1038
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: certainly Jewish extremist. Let me read you this report from Haretz.

1039
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: Far right Israeli Knesset member Zvisukote to head subcommittee on

1040
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: the West Bank.

1041
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 4: A long time target of the Shouldn't.

1042
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: Bet Secure service, the Cote has been arrested numerous times.

1043
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: In twenty eleven, he was questioned on suspicion of involvement

1044
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: in setting fire to a police commander's car against the

1045
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: backdrop of demolition of structures by Israeli authorities at an

1046
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: unauthorized West Bank Jewish outpost. He was never charged. During

1047
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: the same period, restraining orders were issued against someone on

1048
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: several occasions, barring him from the West Bank. The last

1049
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 1: of the restraining orders was issued in twenty twelve following

1050
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: intelligence he was leading what was described as covert and

1051
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: violent activity against Palestinians. So this is the guy that

1052
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: they just put in charge of the West Bank subcommittee.

1053
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: I thought this was an interesting comment from a peace

1054
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 1: activist group called Peace Now. They called the appointment testament

1055
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: to quote the national irresponsibility of a dangerous messianic government

1056
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: which is doing everything to open a third war front

1057
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: in the West Bank. And the reason I thought that

1058
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: was noteworthy Sagre is we've sort of assumed maybe that

1059
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: Israel didn't really want another front in the war, but

1060
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: this group is like, no, they actually want it, which

1061
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: would be the logic of sort of like Zelenski like

1062
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: for him, you know, opening up the broader war would

1063
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: bring us in fully.

1064
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 4: On their side.

1065
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: And there's a possibility that the similar calculus is going

1066
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 1: on here with the nat Yahoo government.

1067
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 2: Israel is a coalition with a lot of different people

1068
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: and a lot of different interest groups. Some people want

1069
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: to heighten the contradictions, they want to take it all out,

1070
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 2: and they'll be like, look, let's go, let's take Aza

1071
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,959
Speaker 2: and let's take the West Bank. There's a huge portion

1072
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 2: of the of the Israeli current coalition who absolutely believes

1073
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: that they would eat what does the term it's like

1074
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 2: Judea and Samaria. That's how they would defer to the

1075
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 2: two regions.

1076
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: So it's very part of that because they believe that

1077
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: Jews are like entitled by birthright.

1078
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 3: To do something about the Bible. I'm not the person as.

1079
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: The point, I guess just being that these are traveling developments.

1080
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 3: It can explode.

1081
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 2: And the reason the US and the entire Western world

1082
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 2: really it feels very comfortable talking about this, and not

1083
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 2: even just Kaza, it's because they understand very clearly if

1084
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: the PA falls in the West Bank, it will be

1085
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 2: a Titanic event. There will be no quote unquote legitimate

1086
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 2: a Now we're talking about elections, we're talking about a

1087
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: full blown you know terrorism. It is the It is

1088
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: already and probably was on its last legs in twenty

1089
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 2: twenty one. This every day that goes on and erodes

1090
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Speaker 2: its type of support. And if they fall, or if

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Speaker 2: there's some sort of coup or uprising or something like that,

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00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 2: it will be a highly significant, highly significant event that

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Speaker 2: will dramatically impact all of the events to come.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's that.

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Speaker 1: And it's also Hamas doesn't run the West Bank, so

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Speaker 1: there's no cover of like, oh, well, they're killing civilians,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I know they're really trying to get

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Speaker 1: it humas here. There's no cover here, so it makes

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Speaker 1: them look bad when innocent Palestinians are just getting murdered

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00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: to get pushed off their land. So it's also part

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00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: of their ass covering projects. So that's what the liberals

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Speaker 1: are up to in terms of their rhetorical spin of

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00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: how they're justifying what's going on here. We had a

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00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: pretty stunning example of what at least one Republican in

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00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: the house, Brian Mass. This is the dude who wore

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00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: his IDF uniform Yes to work one day, you can

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00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: forget yes. Indeed, this is his take on why what

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00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: Israel is doing is completely fine and justified.

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Speaker 4: Take a listen.

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Speaker 10: I would encourage the other side to not so lightly

1111
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 10: throw around the idea of innocent Palestinian civilians as is

1112
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 10: frequently said. I don't think we would so lightly throw

1113
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Speaker 10: around the term innocent Nazi civilians during World War Two.

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Speaker 1: So the Republican, this Republican, Brian mast his response to

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00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: the fact that the killing of so many women and

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00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: children is undeniable at this point is to say, well,

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00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: maybe they're not so innocent after all. I mean, this

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00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: really echoes Sagar the language of supposedly moderate Israeli President

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00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: Isaac Hertzog, who said similarly that there were really no

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Speaker 1: innocent civilians here. I don't have to tell you. This

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00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: is the kind of language that throughout history has been

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00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 1: used to justify genocides. It was the sort of language

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Speaker 1: that Osama bin Laden used to justify.

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Speaker 4: Nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: Is the sort of language that Hamas would use to

1126
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: justify the massacre of innocent Israeli citizens. They'd say, hey,

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00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: they all voted, they elected Netanyahu, they support these policies.

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00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: They're not innocent. That's the sort of logic they would use.

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Speaker 1: So this is now the direction that a number of

1130
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: individuals are moving in on the right.

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00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, and you know this is psychotic.

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00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 2: It also is one of those where it's so funny

1133
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: because these guys don't know anything. Nazi has become something

1134
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 2: that is almost meaningless at this point. If you go

1135
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 2: back to World War Two, we took extraordinary steps rhetorically

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00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 2: to always be like, we want the surrender of the

1137
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: Nazi regime, end of Hitler. Our beef is not with

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Speaker 2: the German people. We always said that for what reason.

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00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 2: We knew we were going to have to occupy and rebuild,

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Speaker 2: and we wanted to have some credibility with the German

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00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 2: people at that time. We also would often say we

1142
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 2: were like, look, they're not fully representative. There's a reason

1143
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: we treated the SS very differently than the regular German

1144
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 2: army even after the war. This is one of those

1145
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 2: where he's like, well, we would never say that there

1146
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 2: were innocent German civilians and times that's not even true.

1147
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 2: That's not what we said, that's not what anybody said

1148
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 2: at that time. Now, of course, you know, it didn't

1149
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: stop the bombing of Dresden or some of these other activities,

1150
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: but at the least ostensibly that was to win.

1151
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 3: The war against the Nazis.

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00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 2: At the civilians, even at that time, were considered collateral damage,

1153
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: but they were not considered to actually be targets that

1154
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: are justified in themselves. Yeah, so this guy's taking it

1155
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: to like the most extreme. I mean, that's basically what

1156
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 2: Hitler said about Jews. Just so people are clear, he

1157
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 2: was like, there's no such thing as innocent one. They're

1158
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 2: all the same, they like work to the same end.

1159
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Speaker 2: So no, it's crazy it's totally crazy and it just

1160
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: like goes with the breeze or something like that to

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Speaker 2: say these things. Also, who you know, why is a

1162
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Speaker 2: US congressman wearing the uniform of a foreign military in

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Speaker 2: the hall?

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Speaker 3: Can anyone explain that to me? Does anyone want to

1165
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 3: tell me about that?

1166
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Speaker 2: Because that's pretty crazy if you ask me, play well,

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00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: he's actually not Jewish.

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Speaker 3: No, And that's the craziest part.

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Speaker 1: It just lay into some anti Semitic tropes about like

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Speaker 1: dual loyalty, et cetera, et cetera. Gun put B nine

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00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: up on the screen because what representative Mass is basically

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Speaker 1: echoing here is effectively the position of the Israeli government

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Speaker 1: as articulated to US officials. This is a quote that

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Speaker 1: was caught from a New York Times article. Let me

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00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: read this in full. They say it became evident to

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Speaker 1: US officials that Israeli leaders believed mass civilian casualties were

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Speaker 1: an acceptable price in the military campaign. In private conversations

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00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: with American counterparts, Israeli officials referred to how the US

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Speaker 1: and other Allied powers resorted to devastating bombings in Germany

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00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: and Japan during World War Two, including the dropping of

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00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: the two atomic warheads in Eroshima and Nagasaki to try

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00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: to defeat those countries. So they're literally talking about drop it,

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00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: like comparing this situation not only to World War Two,

1184
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: not only the Nazis, but like, hey, you drop nukes,

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00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: So any amount of civilian death is totally fine here.

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00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: So that's effectively what representative mass is echoing there. And

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Speaker 1: then you know, just to give another example of an

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Speaker 1: official in the Israeli government, one of the members of

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Speaker 1: the Kanesset who is in the Lacud party, which is

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Speaker 1: Netanyahuo's party, put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 4: Gallet distals.

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Speaker 1: She also was the Minister of Information in this government,

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Speaker 1: so like a you know, a real like cabinet official

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00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: until just a couple weeks ago. This is what she

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00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: wrote on Twitter. This is the translation. Just so we're clear,

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Speaker 1: hate the enemy, hate the monsters. Any vestige of internal bickening,

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Speaker 1: bickering is a mating, maddeningly stupid waste of energy. Invest

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Speaker 1: this energy in one thing, erasing all of Gaza from

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Speaker 1: the face of the earth. That the Gazzen monsters will

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Speaker 1: fly to the southern fence and try to enter Egyptian territory.

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Speaker 1: Where they will die, and their death is evil. Gaza

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Speaker 1: should be erased and fire and smoke on the heads

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Speaker 1: of the Nazis in Judae and Samaria, that's the West Bank.

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01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: Haran is also a Jew who will shake the earth

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Speaker 1: of the world. I don't know what that reference is,

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01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: some biblical thing. I guess evengeful and cruel idf is

1207
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: needed here. Anything less is a moral just unethical. So

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Speaker 1: Gaza should be erased. The Gaza monsters will fly to

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Speaker 1: the southern fence.

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Speaker 4: And try to enter Egyptian territory.

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Speaker 1: So you have here not only the total just like

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Speaker 1: there are no innocent civilians white Gaza out off the map.

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Speaker 4: Punish them all.

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Speaker 1: We need a cruel idf but also the desire to

1215
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: have the you know, complete fullness of the ethnic cleansing

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Speaker 1: program that was laid down in that government report. And

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01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: again this isn't some just like random nobody. This is

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01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: someone who was directly in the government and who is

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01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: a the code member of the kanesse as we speak.

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Speaker 1: This is the sort of thing, the rhetoric that is

1221
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: just like flying within Israeli society right now.

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Speaker 2: And look, we wanted to make sure just to show

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01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 2: everyone It's like we're not cherry picking, you know, just

1224
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 2: to show Israel. It's like part of the problem is

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01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: that we are in a doom loop basically at this

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01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 2: point where the top representatives of both sides are effectively

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Speaker 2: calling for genociding each other. Here we have a video

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01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 2: we can play. This is the head of Hamas. This

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01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 2: is just just a couple of days ago. He says,

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Speaker 2: we must remove that country. It constitutes a security, military,

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01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 2: and political catastrophe to the Arab and to the Islamic

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01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: nation must be finished. We are not ashamed to say

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Speaker 2: this with full force. We must teach Israel a lesson.

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Speaker 2: We will do this again and again. The Aloxa flood

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Speaker 2: is the first time, in the second time because we

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01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 2: have the determination, that resolve and the capabilities to fight.

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Speaker 3: So just to be clear, we.

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01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: Can come out of this, guys, now is He says,

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01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 2: we will do October seven over and over and over again.

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Speaker 2: And I see this shared around all the time. You know,

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01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 2: we don't see some of these realist ones. But we're

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01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 2: trying to put everybody together a portrait the top. You know,

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01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 2: this is the leader of Hamas. He says, We're gonna

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01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: just keep doing it over and over again. It's like, okay, dude,

1245
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: well you are inviting pain and suffering on your own

1246
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 2: people because at this point, like.

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Speaker 1: He says, I don't care at the rice, we're ready

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Speaker 1: to sacrifice martyrs.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is the this is the fundamental jihadist belief.

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Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, we may. I mean Zarkawi used to say,

1251
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 2: be asked about that all the time. He's like, you

1252
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 2: are killing Muslims. He's like, yeah, but we're killing invaders

1253
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 2: too and infidels at the same time.

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Speaker 3: I don't care. This is this is the we've we've

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01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 3: fought and seen people just like this.

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01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 2: And the Israelis are responding basically with calls now for

1257
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: complete ethnic cleansing and for just you know, getting rid

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01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: and quote unquote solving the problem. Now they've got a

1259
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 2: US congressman who is parroting this nonsense on the floor

1260
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Speaker 2: of the House of.

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Speaker 1: Representaive well and Lindsay Graham said something very similar. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was asked point like, okay, how many innocent civilians

1263
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: is too many? Is there is there a numbories like no, no, no, okay,

1264
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: then do you really consider them innocent civilians then? And

1265
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: would you apply I mean, he maybe would apply that

1266
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: situation in a lot of different circumstances, but it is

1267
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: so disturbing to me to watch how quickly the descent

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01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: into outright justification of genocide has happened here. And it's

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01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: happened on both sides, let's be clear about it. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Israeli government is the one that our

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01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars are going to, and it's our bombs that

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01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: are being dropped on this population by and by a

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01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: government that has outright genocidal intent and language. So it's

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01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,439
Speaker 1: incumbent on us to pay really close attention to what's

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01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: going on there at the very least. You know, one

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01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: of the things that I'll just say as a side point,

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Speaker 1: and Cyber maybe you can answer this.

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01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 4: I don't understand.

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01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: So if your goal is to eliminate Hamas, like they

1280
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: know where this this guy's like in Lebanon, I think

1281
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: in somewhere he's going to a TV stude, Like if

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01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: you're trying to get most of Hama's leadership is in Qatar,

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01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,479
Speaker 1: If you're trying to take out Hamas, why are there no.

1284
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 4: Efforts to get these people? Like what's going on with that?

1285
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: Because you know, that seems a lot more effective to

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01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: me than bombing an entire freaking refugee camp and massacring

1287
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: how many people they massacred, their majority women and children, Like,

1288
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: where's the effort to get this political leadership?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a great question. That's a question for the

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01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 2: Katari government. It also is a question for the Israelis

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01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 2: as to like, hey, you know, the whole point of

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01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 2: the Abraham Accords and others was to restore relations with

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01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 2: the golf are of states, So maybe ask for their

1294
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 2: expulsion that could be would be very clear and a

1295
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 2: simple one. It's actually what some people are talking about.

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01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: Or they don't actually care about the stated goal.

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01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:29,439
Speaker 3: I meant the state of goal.

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Speaker 1: I mean, because the stated goal is impossible to achieve,

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Speaker 1: as we said, and so really what the actual operation

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Speaker 1: that they are pursuing right now has no other strategic

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Speaker 1: and than punishment. It doesn't make them safer. It's not

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01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: act being very effective at taking out Hamas. It's just

1303
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: like massacring and brutalizing and tormenting millions of Palestinian civilians.

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Speaker 3: It's listening.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I also find it very odd that the

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01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 2: political leadership of a full blown terrorist organization effectively is

1307
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 2: like untouched at the same time. Time, though, if I

1308
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: had to expect the main reason is we got to

1309
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 2: negotiate with these people, you know, like we could still

1310
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: got us citizens inside of Gaza, like you got to

1311
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 2: have somebody to talk to. So unfortunately, that's probably the

1312
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 2: most likely thing, is that they want to preserve the

1313
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 2: political leadership because they need somebody that they can meet

1314
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 2: with for the hostage situation, for our American citizens and

1315
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 2: for other things as well. So it just shows you

1316
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 2: how gross the entire thing is. Let's move on now

1317
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 2: to Ukraine. There's some major news out of Ukraine. First,

1318
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 2: we wanted to start with some absolutely shocking allegations being

1319
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 2: made by a former advisor to Zelenski. Let's go and

1320
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. This is a

1321
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 2: translation of something that to put out and include some

1322
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 2: of the quotes of that extraordinary Time magazine piece of Zelensky.

1323
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 2: He says, someone behaves like a dictator and instead of

1324
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: following the normal path of accelerated development, he chooses stagnation.

1325
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 2: Then someone breeds massive corruption, Then someone breeds hatred for

1326
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,919
Speaker 2: any opinion different from their own, and then a year

1327
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 2: and a half later autumn comes both in relations with

1328
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 2: the and with our own people. No matter how much

1329
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 2: you deny reality, it doesn't go away. One of the

1330
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 2: stages of denial of this reality is an attempt to

1331
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 2: blame the damned Shusters for everything. He's talking about the

1332
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 2: reporter who wrote the Time magazine piece instead of looking

1333
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 2: yourself in the eye, quote Simon Schuster as an artist

1334
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 2: who perfectly senses the moment of truth. The Time magazine

1335
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 2: article reflects an unpleasant and vaguely familiar image, and really

1336
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 2: what he points to is that it's a dictator abandoned

1337
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 2: by everyone, wandering through the backstreets of a bunker, unwilling

1338
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 2: to face reality, hysterically exclaiming about quick victory which is

1339
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 2: unable to achieve, an authoritarian leader to whom those around

1340
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 2: him are afraid to tell the truth. I think that

1341
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 2: that fits very neatly, actually, with the portrait of a

1342
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 2: delusional Zelenski inside of his military bunker, where his own

1343
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 2: advisors are telling a Time Magazine reporter on background openly

1344
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 2: that they are corrupt as hell, stealing everything that's not

1345
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 2: nailed to the ground like there's no tomorrow. They say

1346
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,439
Speaker 2: that Zelenski cannot be reasoned with that even though their

1347
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 2: battlefield victory is completely and totally unachievable and unrealistic, that

1348
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 2: they are continuing to say that publicly. But let's overlay

1349
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 2: that with some also breaking news that we want to

1350
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 2: say thank you to Gallop for providing us so that

1351
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 2: we could prepare all these elements with how the American

1352
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 2: people feel about this. Let's go and put this up

1353
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 2: there on the screen. Please, this is an extraordinary statistic.

1354
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 2: This is a question for Americans. Do you think the

1355
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 2: United States is doing too much to help Ukraine?

1356
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 3: Not enough or the right amount?

1357
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 2: Forty one percent now say too much, twenty five percent

1358
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 2: say not enough, thirty three percent say the right amount.

1359
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 2: The extraordinary part is not that the plurality say too much,

1360
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 2: but that just a few months ago, Crystal, in June

1361
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,919
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty three, it was twenty nine percent who

1362
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 2: said too much and forty three percent who said the

1363
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 2: right amount. The too much figure is rapidly accelerating. Now

1364
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,479
Speaker 2: let's go to the next one in there, please, because

1365
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 2: this is another very important development. Would you prefer the

1366
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 2: United States and the conflict asap or support Ukraine in

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01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 2: recapturing territory? No, answer is three percent. Support reclaim is

1368
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 2: fifty four percent, so it's still like extreme majority. But

1369
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 2: end quickly is forty three percent, again though rapidly changing

1370
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 2: in that direction. June of twenty twenty three, it was

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Speaker 2: only thirty six percent who wanted to rapidly end the conflict,

1372
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 2: so things are again accelerating. And then finally, let's put

1373
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 2: this one up there on the screen. Please, should the

1374
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 2: US maintain its financial support to Ukraine or should there

1375
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 2: be a time limit on that support? Thirty seven percent

1376
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:52,560
Speaker 2: say indefinitely. Sixty one percent now say it should be limited.

1377
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 2: And again from the previous way that that has been asked,

1378
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 2: that is an overall increase. So the one which again

1379
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 2: just shows you why at the end of the day

1380
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 2: you can't help but just trust Americans who is currently

1381
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 2: winning the Ukraine Russia war.

1382
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 3: If you're going to ask the media, they were going

1383
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:08,799
Speaker 3: to say Ukraine.

1384
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 2: Twenty percent say Ukraine, fourteen percent say Russia neither side

1385
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 2: sixty four percent.

1386
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 3: Americans are smart as usual. They in the what is it?

1387
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 2: On a long enough timeline, they will eventually come to

1388
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 2: the right answer. And even though they're being propagandized to

1389
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 2: all hell and being bombarded with all these fake offenses

1390
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 2: and all that they know reality. They're like, we gave

1391
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 2: these people fifty billion, they didn't move an inch, and

1392
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 2: a bunch of people died in the interim. Doesn't seem

1393
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:37,719
Speaker 2: fun to me, doesn't seem like something that we should

1394
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 2: just keep continuing with the blank check And it fits

1395
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 2: completely with also a new interview that we can put

1396
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 2: there please up on the screen that underscores this that

1397
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 2: in a new interview with the Economists, the Commander in

1398
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 2: chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces says, quote, just like

1399
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 2: in the First World War, we have reached the level

1400
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 2: of technology that puts us into a stalemate. So when

1401
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 2: the head of the actual Ukrainian I mean imagine the

1402
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 2: Chairman of the Joint Chiefs or something like that equivalent

1403
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 2: when America is in the middle of the war, just

1404
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 2: coming out and saying on the record, we are in

1405
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 2: the middle of a stalemate.

1406
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 3: That's what's just happened.

1407
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 2: So you would be called a Russian propagandist if you

1408
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 2: said this on MSNBC. But I guess anybody who wants

1409
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 2: to in the future crystal can it just say I'm quoting.

1410
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,799
Speaker 3: The head of the Ukrainian General staff. Yes, it's not difficult.

1411
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And he goes on to say he thinks

1412
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 1: it would take some sort of a massive technological break.

1413
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 3: People would read the interviews.

1414
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 1: It actually is remarkably honest, because he talks about like, Okay,

1415
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: at first, I was like, maybe it's the commanders, Maybe

1416
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 1: it's the soldiers themselves, maybe it's this, maybe it's that.

1417
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: And then he started reading this book about World War

1418
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: One and was like, shit, this is exactly what's happening

1419
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: with us right now. And he says that although he

1420
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: hopes that there would be some massive, unforeseen technological leap

1421
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 1: to break the deadlock, quote, there will most likely be

1422
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:02,759
Speaker 1: no deep and beautiful breakthrough. Think of that admission from

1423
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 1: this man. So the American people agree with the guy

1424
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: who's running the Ukrainian military, and I think, what I mean,

1425
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: there's so much to say about this. Between this and

1426
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 1: that time article and then this former Zelenski aid, just

1427
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: putting him on full blast.

1428
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 4: You can see.

1429
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: That, you know, there is a sense of real impending

1430
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: doom setting in and a realization they're not stupid. They

1431
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: can see these polls, they can see the way that

1432
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 1: what's going on in Israel has taken the spotlight off

1433
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: of them. They can see the way that like constant

1434
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 1: attention on Ukraine has already long fallen off, that they

1435
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,719
Speaker 1: really needed that to have any sort of a prayer here.

1436
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: They can see the huge disappointment in terms of the

1437
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: counter offensive. They don't know what to tell their own

1438
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: people about this and what the failure was, and how

1439
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: things are ever.

1440
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:50,879
Speaker 4: Going to change and be different in the future.

1441
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: And so, you know, when you've got a losing team

1442
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: effectively at this point, not to use a you know,

1443
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 1: a sort of trite sports analogy, but suddenly you get

1444
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people complaining, you get a lot of

1445
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: people fighting, you get a lot of score settling, you

1446
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: get a little bit of truth that starts to come out,

1447
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: and Sager, I know, I say this over and over again,

1448
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 1: but I cannot stop going back to that original possibility

1449
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: of a peace deal being negotiated in Turkey, that we said,

1450
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: we said, no, we don't want a deal, we don't

1451
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 1: want a settlement, We want you to fight. And we

1452
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: sent these people into the meat grinder. We did it,

1453
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: Our government pushed them in the meat grinder. And guess

1454
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: what now if they decided all right, we're going to

1455
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: try to go to the table now and negotiate.

1456
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 4: They won't be able to get the deal that.

1457
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: They could have gotten back then, because back then they

1458
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: had momentum, they had caught you know, the Russians were

1459
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: not doing well. They had dramatically underperformed. The Ukrainians were

1460
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 1: dramatically overperformed. They had a lot more leverage in that

1461
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: negotiation at that time. So all this time of war

1462
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 1: and death and misery and suffering and all of that

1463
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 1: for what to be in a worse negotiating position than

1464
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: they were at that time when, along with the Brits

1465
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: scuttled those negotiations.

1466
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 3: Well, let's look.

1467
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I gotta say, I am enraged that we

1468
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 2: have funding a military. He's like, yeah, I finally picked

1469
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 2: up a book on World War One. I'm like, dude,

1470
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,759
Speaker 2: what you eventually, in the middle of the conflict decided

1471
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 2: It's like this is your job, freaking amateur people from

1472
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 2: the very beginning.

1473
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 3: You can go back and roll the tape.

1474
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 2: We've been talking about it for two years now at

1475
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 2: this point, specifically the World War One analogy, but you know,

1476
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,799
Speaker 2: it's very similar. The average age of the Ukrainian military,

1477
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 2: right now is forty three years old. Yeah, and again average,

1478
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 2: So what does that mean on the outer bound of that,

1479
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:38,759
Speaker 2: what does the tail end we're talking about like sixty

1480
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 2: five year olds. That's what the Army of Northern Virginia

1481
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 2: look like whenever capitulated in eighteen sixty five. They even

1482
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 2: remarked on it, They're like, we got teenagers and old men.

1483
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 2: Who are the people in the trenches who are up

1484
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 2: against us. So, just like in the First World War

1485
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 2: of the flowery youth, some of the greatest men who

1486
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 2: ever lived were thrown into the trunch and are dead.

1487
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 2: And people at that time they knew that, they underst

1488
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 2: stood that some of the best people, truly some of

1489
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 2: the bravest citizens, specifically from the UK.

1490
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 3: You know, they didn't even need a draft for.

1491
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 2: Two years because people were so enthusiastic and they believed

1492
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 2: in the war, and they were crunched and they were

1493
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,679
Speaker 2: killed almost immediately when they were thrown into that war.

1494
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 2: And also this is the true lesson think about why

1495
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 2: World War One ended. World War One did not end

1496
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 2: just because of a military breakthrough. It ended because the

1497
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 2: German regime collapsed politically and no longer was able to

1498
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 2: sustain the war effort because its civilian population revolted against

1499
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,799
Speaker 2: the Kaiser. Ukraine is setting itself up for a similar situation.

1500
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:42,759
Speaker 2: You can hang on till the end if you want.

1501
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 2: You're not going to do it with our money, at

1502
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 2: least hopefully, And what will happen is that years and

1503
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 2: years will go by, people will start to starve, They're

1504
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,640
Speaker 2: going to start to question. You're gonna get violently overthrown,

1505
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 2: and that brings you to just like what happened to

1506
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 2: the Czar or just like what happened to the German Kaiser,

1507
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 2: if you you don't capitulate, or if you don't sign

1508
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 2: a negotiation, because it's very clear that if they don't

1509
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 2: do it to preserve their current political regime, the Russians

1510
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 2: are going to win. Time is on their side. Russia's

1511
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 2: war machine is doing better than ever. Sure they've lost

1512
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 2: a couple hundred thousand people, but they've got millions.

1513
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 3: They don't care.

1514
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 2: They've got you know, their economy is basically sanctioned proof

1515
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 2: at this point. I was just talking with Bridge Colby yesterday.

1516
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 2: They're selling oil at twenty dollars above the price cap.

1517
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 2: They're fine. They're not doing well. But they're doing fine.

1518
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 2: Ukraine is not doing fine. They're really on their last legs.

1519
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 2: And when you are in that situation, Russia is probably

1520
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 2: least likely to negotiate now at this point, and the

1521
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:41,440
Speaker 2: Ukrainians are the ones who have put themselves in that situation.

1522
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 2: But ultimately we are the ones who We're the ones

1523
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 2: to blame more than anything.

1524
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 3: We killed the peace deals. We let them think.

1525
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 2: Incorrectly that we would be there forever, and you know,

1526
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 2: now we're basically pulling the rug out from under them.

1527
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,919
Speaker 2: So in a sense, I even understand some of the outrage,

1528
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,560
Speaker 2: but I mean, we always knew it was politically sustainable

1529
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 2: from the very beginning. The correct thing to do would

1530
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 2: have been to try and strike something. They decided not

1531
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 2: to do it. Hundreds of thousands of people are now dead,

1532
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 2: billions of dollars have been wasted completely. I guess a

1533
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 2: bunch of weapons manufacturers got very wealthy and very rich.

1534
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 2: But that's the end result and the end state of this,

1535
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 2: as it almost always is.

1536
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,679
Speaker 1: And you know what, the people who say, like, actually

1537
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: we should have given them the long range mississ right away,

1538
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 1: like they actually have a point.

1539
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 4: If we were going to give them any way. Yeah,

1540
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,480
Speaker 4: you're right, if we were going to eventually.

1541
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 1: Do it, They're actually correct that, you know, they might

1542
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 1: have had a better shot if they'd had everything that

1543
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: we were planning on eventually giving them from the beginning,

1544
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: and so instead, you know, they've they're in a very

1545
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 1: difficult position, and it's starting to become very clear, it's

1546
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 1: starting to become very public at a moment when US

1547
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 1: support is absolutely faltering. So what the future holds, I

1548
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:51,600
Speaker 1: don't know, but you know, there are a lot of

1549
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: regrets for our missed opportunities to achieve a piece that

1550
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 1: would have avoided so many lost lives and so much devastation. Yeah,

1551
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: all right, let's talk a little bit about the way

1552
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: the general election is shaping up, which you know, there's

1553
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: very little drama at this point within the Democratic primary.

1554
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 1: There's very little drama at this point within the Republican primary.

1555
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 1: But the general election is shaping up to be one

1556
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 1: of the most unusual, odd, historic, whatever word you want

1557
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: to put on it that you can imagine. Put this

1558
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: up on the screen. I cannot understand why this has

1559
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 1: not gotten more coverage.

1560
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 4: Take a look.

1561
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'll go through all of these It's a

1562
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: new national general election poll. So if it's head to head,

1563
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 1: they've gotten this is Quinnipiac. They've got Biden and Trump

1564
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: basically tied. Biden's got a one point edge. Then you

1565
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: throw RFK Junior onto the ballot and the Biden lead

1566
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: edges up a bit. Biden thirty nine, Trump thirty six,

1567
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:57,719
Speaker 1: Kennedy twenty two. I mean that is a lot, guys,

1568
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: that is really really significant. And then they also did

1569
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: one if you add Cornell West into the mix, then

1570
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 1: you go back to Biden with a one point lead

1571
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 1: thirty six, Trump thirty five, Kennedy nineteen, Cornell West at six.

1572
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,839
Speaker 1: Now you know, I don't know how many ballots Cornell

1573
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: West is going to be able to get on. He's

1574
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:19,799
Speaker 1: changed what party he's affiliated with a couple of times,

1575
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 1: so I think there's a lot of questions about whether

1576
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: people are going to even really have the option of

1577
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: Cornell West on their ballot, but whether or not he

1578
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: is there RFK Junior. I don't have a lot of

1579
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: intel into how well organized his campaigns, etc. But I

1580
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 1: know he's got a lot of money, so I think

1581
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 1: it is very feasible that he ends up on the

1582
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 1: ballot in most if not all states, and right now

1583
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:42,759
Speaker 1: he's full in twenty two percent.

1584
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 4: Now, I'll put out the caveat that I always do with.

1585
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: Regarded third parties, Usually their support is higher initially then

1586
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: later on. He also within the Democratic primary, he suffered

1587
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:53,799
Speaker 1: the more.

1588
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 4: People got to know his positions and see him out there.

1589
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 1: That's possible that that happens with the general electorate as well.

1590
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 1: You know the numbers of who he takes from that

1591
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 1: at all shifts, et cetera, et cetera. But that he's

1592
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 1: clocking twenty plus percent right on at the gates, and

1593
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 1: he's Kennedy, and he's got a lot of money.

1594
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:09,719
Speaker 4: People ought to be taking notice.

1595
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 3: Let me read this direct quote.

1596
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 2: Actually, let's put the please up on the screen from

1597
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 2: Quinnipiac that they say quote with minority and younger voters

1598
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 2: seeming intrigued, Kennedy for now enjoys the kind of demographic

1599
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 2: support his charismatic father and uncles generated decades ago. Aka,

1600
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 2: it is disaffected minorities, and it is younger voters who

1601
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 2: usually skew left, who want at least some sort of

1602
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 2: different option, who are going RFK for now.

1603
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 3: Now, listen, it's possible that things could change.

1604
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 2: My advice for RFK honestly would just be keep doing

1605
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 2: what we're doing.

1606
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 3: Keep a low profile.

1607
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 2: The less people really honestly know about you, the better

1608
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 2: because then they can just project seriously, they can just

1609
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 2: project whatever they.

1610
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 3: Want on too you. They're like, oh, he's a Kennedy

1611
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 3: and he doesn't like the two party system.

1612
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 4: He's not Biden or Cool.

1613
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean that's a great pitch, just so people

1614
01:19:58,400 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 3: are aware.

1615
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:01,560
Speaker 2: And it's funny because even a lot of his communications

1616
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 2: that I'm looking at, I'm like, this is brilliant because

1617
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 2: most of it. Yeah, for example, this is an infographic

1618
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 2: half the electorate no longer identifies with any political party,

1619
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 2: sixty three percent of Americans when an independent run for president?

1620
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 2: What is politics going to look like when it's no

1621
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 2: longer us versus them?

1622
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 3: Are f K Junior? I love it? And it's got

1623
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 3: a picture of him looking yoked in a western shirt

1624
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 3: and wearing jeans in the sun.

1625
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 2: That's all you need is just you keep things at

1626
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 2: a level where it's like it's not even a bit

1627
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 2: really what you're running on.

1628
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 3: It's you're running against the two party system.

1629
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 2: It's like the it's like negative partisanship but weaponized against both,

1630
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 2: which is a brilliant pitch. And to put it in

1631
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 2: historical perspective, Ross Perot, I'm probably the most successful third

1632
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:46,839
Speaker 2: party candidate of our time, one nineteen percent of the vote,

1633
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:50,679
Speaker 2: so including Cornell West in the general election ballot, which

1634
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 2: in my opinion is not really fair because if Cornell

1635
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 2: does not get all fifty, but RFK is on all

1636
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 2: fifty states and actually does have the ballot operation, and

1637
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 2: it will really just be between the three of them.

1638
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 2: He could be the most successful third party candidate in

1639
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 2: I mean decades since maybe George Wallace Ross Parrot, I mean,

1640
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 2: his name would be all the way up there. And

1641
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 2: then it becomes a very open question of how much

1642
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 2: is this going to affect the race? I mean, in

1643
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 2: terms of the numbers, it does look like he draws

1644
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 2: a little bit more away from Trump than he does

1645
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 2: from Biden, but he does also draw devistent amount from Biden.

1646
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,520
Speaker 2: And it's one of those where look, even Arab Americans,

1647
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 2: you know, we're going to talk with James Oxby soon.

1648
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:35,759
Speaker 2: I'm curious to hear what he thinks. I know RFK

1649
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 2: is supportive of Israel, but again, most people probably don't

1650
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 2: even know what he thinks about Israel, so they might

1651
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 2: just vote for him as a protest candidate. And I

1652
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,719
Speaker 2: could easily see that with younger people, with Arab Americans.

1653
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it could just be one of those like

1654
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 2: hail Mary, screw it type of things, and you never know.

1655
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 3: I mean, he could win a state or two. It's

1656
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:53,719
Speaker 3: very possible if that happened.

1657
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: I want to see some state level polling, you know,

1658
01:21:56,080 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 1: swing state level polling, Like what do Pennsylvanians think about you?

1659
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 1: What does Michigan think about you? Michiganders, isn't that what

1660
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: they are? What a Minnesotans think about you? Like, I

1661
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: want to see some of that swing state polling and

1662
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: where the strength is. It'd be interesting to see where

1663
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 1: the strength is regionally as well. I mean I've been

1664
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: pitching internally here that we need to do a focus

1665
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: g We're doing it RFK voters because there is so

1666
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: little analysis so far of like who are they, what

1667
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 1: draws them to him, what do they know about, how

1668
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 1: engaged are they? What sort of media are they consuming.

1669
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely fascinated by who this group is. And you're right,

1670
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: like on Israel, he is what locks up he's probably

1671
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: more hawkish than Biden on Israel. I mean, it seems

1672
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 1: very like personal and ideological and whatever he's all in.

1673
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 1: So it's not like there's any real daylight between him

1674
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: and Biden or Trump for that matter, on the issue.

1675
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 1: But people don't really know, like they don't follow it

1676
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 1: that closely. So if they just have this vague feeling

1677
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 1: of like, oh, he's a Kennedy and he's different, Like, sure,

1678
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: he's not Biden.

1679
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 4: I don't like Biden. He's not Trump. I don't like Trump.

1680
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 1: Why not there was a political analysis to the point

1681
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 1: of who he's drawing from currently? This guy really, I mean,

1682
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: I think it's very likely he ends up being the

1683
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 1: deciding factor how his campaign goes, ends up deciding who

1684
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 1: the next president is. So he's collecting Czechs, Politico says

1685
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 1: from past Donald Trump donors at a much higher rate

1686
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 1: than former Biden contributors, a sign he may be pulling

1687
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 1: more from the Republican electorate the Democratic voters. But he

1688
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 1: also is being financed in terms of contributions by huge

1689
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,480
Speaker 1: numbers of people who have never given politically before.

1690
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 4: Which also makes sense.

1691
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 1: People who are responding to his anti Democrat, anti Republican

1692
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 1: message and are activated by that. And that's not only

1693
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: a very difficult group to get engaged, it's also a

1694
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 1: very difficult group to pull. So that tend to be

1695
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: the ones that sort of fall out of traditional survey.

1696
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 1: So anyway, that is very fascinating. There was also just

1697
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: as a note, in that same poll, they tested the

1698
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: Democratic primary race, now that you have the addition of

1699
01:23:56,240 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 1: Dean Phillips that Minnesota like moderate representative, and Jank Yuger,

1700
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: and they find I mean, this isn't all that surprising.

1701
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 1: So seventy seven percent support Biden, Marion gets eight percent,

1702
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,799
Speaker 1: Dean Phillips gets six percent, and Jank gets two percent.

1703
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,879
Speaker 1: So I mean it basically looks like Jank and Marianne

1704
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 1: are pulling from the same pool of like ten percent

1705
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: of voters, and then Dean Phillips is getting six percent.

1706
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:22,719
Speaker 4: Is kind of tracks with what I was expecting.

1707
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 2: Basically, Yeah, that's that's not necessarily a surprise. I think RFK,

1708
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 2: as you said, he is now the absolute deciding factor

1709
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 2: where how he runs his campaign, who he appeals to,

1710
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 2: and if he can get more than them. He's starting now,

1711
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 2: I mean basically starting at nineteen to twenty two percent

1712
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 2: something like that, and he hasn't even really campaigned, So

1713
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 2: the more people hear about him, the more people pay attention.

1714
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 3: He's got a choice.

1715
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 2: My thing is, you just keep leaning into that anti

1716
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 2: two party message. I mean, who knows we could go

1717
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 2: triple triple, Like if we go thirty three percent.

1718
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 3: Thirty, it's only gotten.

1719
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:54,640
Speaker 2: He doesn't have a you know that far away and

1720
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 2: then next thing you know, he could be in a

1721
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 2: head to head race. It would be absolutely shocking. Truly,

1722
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but honestly, it's kind of fun.

1723
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:04,839
Speaker 2: This will be a nice shock to the point.

1724
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 3: The ministry people.

1725
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 4: Need some intrigue.

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01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 1: All right, this we also wanted to update on, so

1727
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 1: we brought you that the UAW was able to reach

1728
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 1: tentative agreements with all of the Big three at this point,

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01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 1: huge win for them. The members of course have to

1730
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 1: approve it, but some major gains that they were made

1731
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: that they were able to achieve in terms of wages,

1732
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 1: and it looks like the other non union automakers are

1733
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 1: really taking notice and they are very concerned about their

1734
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: own workforces potentially unionizing, and they realize they have to

1735
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 1: compete with these increased wages that Big Three workers were

1736
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 1: able to achieve. So put this up on the screen

1737
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 1: from Toyota. They are saying that they are This is

1738
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 1: a report hasn't been totally confirmed yet, but this is

1739
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,839
Speaker 1: from labor notes. Toyota is saying that they are immediately

1740
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 1: raising the wages of their non union factory workers. This

1741
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 1: of course comes on the heels of those agreements, and

1742
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 1: what sort of leaked memo indicated is that they're raising

1743
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 1: their top pay to thirty two dollars per hour. This

1744
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 1: would not be a surprise, not only because they're workers

1745
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure are following like, oh, the person who does

1746
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 1: my exact same job, this is what they're getting. Why

1747
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 1: am I so dramatically underpaid? So Toyota's feeling that pressure.

1748
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:21,720
Speaker 1: They don't want to have to, you know, they don't

1749
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 1: want to face a union drive, so they're trying to

1750
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 1: short circuit that Tesla actually had already. You pointed out, yes,

1751
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 1: given raises in the context of these negotiations going on,

1752
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 1: so you know, this is something we've talked about with

1753
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 1: the labor movement. Is yes, obviously directly benefits workers who

1754
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: are in a union, but it can really have ripple

1755
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 1: effects across the economy and across industries as well. Additional

1756
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 1: context on this. Put this up on the screen from

1757
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 1: the UAW. They are making some real noises here, Sager,

1758
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 1: basically about a potential general strike in twenty twenty eight.

1759
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: They say, we invite unions around the country to align

1760
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:01,640
Speaker 1: your contract expirations with our our own, so that together

1761
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: we can begin to flex our collective muscles. They go

1762
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 1: on to say, if we're going to truly take on

1763
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 1: the billionaire class and rebuild the economy so it starts

1764
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 1: to work for the benefit of the many and not

1765
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 1: the few, that it's important we not only strike, but

1766
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:16,919
Speaker 1: that we strike together. When we return to the bargaining

1767
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: table in twenty twenty eight, it won't be just with

1768
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 1: the Big three, but with the.

1769
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 4: Big five or Big six.

1770
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 1: So real warning shot there to all of the non

1771
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:31,480
Speaker 1: union automakers out there, that would include Tesla. And apparently

1772
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 1: there's already some stuff union stuff going on at Tesla.

1773
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 1: Put us up on the screen. Bloomberg reporting Monday. This

1774
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 1: is written up in this publication in the Street that

1775
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 1: Tesla's twenty thousand worker plan in Fremont, California is currently

1776
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,919
Speaker 1: playing host to a UAW Organizing Committee. The group, according

1777
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: to a source, is talking to Tesla workers about the

1778
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 1: value of collective bargaining and as reportedly committed to funding

1779
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 1: any such campaign. UAW did not respond to the Street's

1780
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 1: request for comment. This effort to active like span the

1781
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 1: uaw's membership in a threat to Elon Musk and Tesla,

1782
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 1: is you know, is very noteworthy And earlier in October,

1783
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,719
Speaker 1: Fane referred to workers at Tesla and other non union

1784
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:14,440
Speaker 1: automakers including Toyota and Honda Honda as quote the UAW

1785
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 1: members of the future. So pretty extraordinary how quickly things

1786
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 1: appear to be moving here after the major wins that

1787
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:24,679
Speaker 1: they were able to achieve. And I think the fact

1788
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 1: that Faine did it in such a public fashion is

1789
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 1: also really noteworthy and was very intentional, because.

1790
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 4: Previous UAW leadership was, by the way.

1791
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 1: Extraordinarily corrupt, totally in bed with you know, they were

1792
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: takes given. I mean, it was it was a mess,

1793
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, And they elected this new leadership in Sean Fain,

1794
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 1: and they had also conducted a lot of the negotiations

1795
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 1: like behind the scenes in secret, not drawing a lot

1796
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:50,560
Speaker 1: of attention to it, and they were taking major concessions

1797
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 1: in terms of the deals that they were striking. So

1798
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 1: this is a dramatic shift in the way things have

1799
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:56,959
Speaker 1: been going previously.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually really interesting.

1801
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 2: On the Toyota piece, you know, they say that the

1802
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 2: increase of two dollars and ninety four cents to the

1803
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 2: maximum of thirty four dollars per thirty four dollars and

1804
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 2: eighty cents per hour for the production workers and at

1805
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 2: a three seventy rays to forty three do dollars per

1806
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 2: hour for skilled trades employees. I mean, that's pretty significant

1807
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 2: raise up to forty three dollars per hour, and it

1808
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 2: does show you also where labor pressure comes from. It

1809
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,719
Speaker 2: makes sense too because it think about the overall environment

1810
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:29,480
Speaker 2: for minimum wage workers. I mean, prior to the pandemic,

1811
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 2: people were getting away with eleven and twelve. Then as

1812
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 2: we have a labor shortage and we have more labor

1813
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,639
Speaker 2: activism all throughout twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two,

1814
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 2: we're at almost a minimum floor at this point for

1815
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 2: a lot of major brands between fifteen to twenty bucks

1816
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 2: an hour. I'm even seeing that, you know, in terms

1817
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 2: of the pressure on the consumers and consumer prices where

1818
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 2: people are expecting a down quarter for the fourth quarter,

1819
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 2: and yet Walmarts and others are still paying some twenty

1820
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 2: something dollars per hour even seasonal holiday wages. So the

1821
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 2: wages are higher honestly in some cases they've ever been before. Now,

1822
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,680
Speaker 2: to be clear, has not kept up with inflation, and

1823
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 2: I think that's really bad. But this does show you

1824
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:11,599
Speaker 2: where the pressure comes from and how it will all

1825
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 2: look like it Also, you know, people were like, oh,

1826
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 2: but no GM cars and all that are going to

1827
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 2: be too expensive.

1828
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 3: We'll see.

1829
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 2: Actually I'm still I still want to know, but it

1830
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 2: does show you too, like with the pressure that will

1831
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:25,759
Speaker 2: be lifting, it's not like it's going to be restricted

1832
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 2: just to the American auto workers or auto companies. It's

1833
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 2: going to be all of the auto sector because they're

1834
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 2: at the end of the day pulling from the same

1835
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 2: labor pool.

1836
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 3: So it's an overall positive development.

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01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And you know, very interesting to me the

1838
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 1: way that Sean finn is calling for other unions to

1839
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 1: align their contracts with theirs so that they can have

1840
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 1: an even larger you know, just not just in the

1841
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 1: auto industry, but much larger impact on the economy. So

1842
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 1: something to watch there. He's the one that I wish

1843
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: would run for president.

1844
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he probably would win.

1845
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 4: Would you would do quite well?

1846
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 3: You do well?

1847
01:30:57,439 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 1: All right, guys, very excited to have James Abby here.

1848
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:02,760
Speaker 1: He's the founder and president of the American Arab Institute

1849
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 1: Arab American Institute and get that right. And he also

1850
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 1: is an alumni of both the Jesse Jackson campaigns in

1851
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,759
Speaker 1: eighty four and eighty eight and both Bernie Sanders campaign

1852
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 1: So this man has a lot of political insight. We're

1853
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 1: lucky to have him join us. Now, let's get to it.

1854
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 1: James Avvi, so great to have you.

1855
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 3: Welcome, sir, you're caesar, Thank you, thank you.

1856
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 1: So it caught our attention the absolute plummeting support of

1857
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 1: Arab Americans for Joe Biden's reelect.

1858
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen.

1859
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 1: This was the first national poll you're actually quoted, I

1860
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 1: believe in this article of Arab Americans since the war

1861
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:38,599
Speaker 1: in Gaza began. Shows how deep that sense of betrayal goes.

1862
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:42,639
Speaker 1: They say, with only seventeen percent of Arab American voters

1863
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: saying they will vote for Biden in twenty twenty four,

1864
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 1: that is a staggering drop from fifty nine percent in

1865
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:49,759
Speaker 1: twenty twenty.

1866
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 4: Your reaction to those poll numbers.

1867
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 5: James, Well, I mean, we expected there to be a

1868
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 5: reaction to the community in the community. I didn't expect

1869
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 5: it to be this way, much larger than anything I'd

1870
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,799
Speaker 5: ever seen it. There was a similar drop in support

1871
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 5: for Republicans and Bush, but it took six years to accumulate.

1872
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 5: There was a very immediate reaction after Obama to Trump,

1873
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 5: but that again took over a year. This was like

1874
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 5: a four week drop in support. And while to some

1875
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 5: extent there had been a decline in favorable ratings as

1876
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 5: the national numbers went, this drop was not only significant

1877
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 5: in terms of support for the president. But look, I've

1878
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 5: been on the DNC for thirty years, and when we'd

1879
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 5: had an almost two to one Democratic ID as opposed

1880
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 5: to Republican ID and now it's like twenty three percent

1881
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 5: say they identify as Democrat and thirty two percent Republicans,

1882
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 5: the first time in twenty seven years of polling that

1883
01:32:55,479 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 5: Democrats are in the minority. That was really striking, kind

1884
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 5: of a frustration and interesting. It was across the board,

1885
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 5: the first second generation born here versus the immigrant all

1886
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 5: the different religious subgroups, country of origin. People are just

1887
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 5: traumatized by what he is and is not doing this

1888
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 5: on this situation.

1889
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 2: James, what states in particular? Everyone talks about Michigan. Perhaps

1890
01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 2: there are others that you can highlight where this is

1891
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 2: going to be a particular problem for Joe Biden. Should

1892
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:31,479
Speaker 2: this continue, should his actions continue, and we get to

1893
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 2: election day, well.

1894
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 5: The states, I think that we won't most focus on

1895
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 5: the ones that the Biden campaign focused on with us

1896
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty. They put a lot of energy into

1897
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 5: getting us out and giving us support in Pennsylvania and Michigan.

1898
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 8: That's going to be a tough lift. It's going to

1899
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:53,120
Speaker 8: be a difficult one this time. We have important numbers.

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01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:56,439
Speaker 5: In Virginia, but Virginia is the margin in Virginia was

1901
01:33:56,560 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 5: larger than the Pennsylvania Michigan numbers margins. And we have

1902
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:03,880
Speaker 5: lots of people in California, but again that's the state

1903
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 5: where the number is overall, I mean almost a half

1904
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:12,560
Speaker 5: million Arab Americans in California, but the number of Californians

1905
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 5: is so large that the fraction isn't as great.

1906
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 8: As it is in Michigan and Pennsylvania.

1907
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:21,280
Speaker 5: Those two states are the ones I think are the

1908
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:22,639
Speaker 5: most concerning right now.

1909
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 1: So what the Biden team is telling reporters is like, yeah,

1910
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 1: we know they're not happy, but it's a long way

1911
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:33,719
Speaker 1: till election day. Number one and number two. The opponent's

1912
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:35,599
Speaker 1: going to be Donald Trump, and Trump is out there

1913
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 1: floating Muslim band. He was the best friend of bb

1914
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 1: net and Yahoo gave him everything he wanted when he's

1915
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 1: in office. So they're betting that the visceral rawness of

1916
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 1: the emotion right now fades over time, and that also

1917
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:51,479
Speaker 1: with the greater evil of Trump hanging out here, that

1918
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 1: that will be enough to get people back in the

1919
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 1: Democratic camp. What's your response to that theory of the case.

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01:34:57,160 --> 01:35:00,480
Speaker 5: I don't want to alienate myself for the community from

1921
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 5: for the Biden White House, but that's rude and condescending. Basically,

1922
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 5: it's like, you guys don't matter, and screw you. You

1923
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 5: don't have a choice, so you'll come back.

1924
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:10,599
Speaker 8: That's not the.

1925
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 5: Case I saw in twenty twenty people's frustration. I worked

1926
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:16,760
Speaker 5: on the Gore I was a senior advisor of the

1927
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 5: Gore campaign. Thirteen and a half percent voted for Nader.

1928
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 5: They just weren't going to do it. They did the

1929
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 5: same with Hillary in twenty sixteen. They stayed away. The

1930
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 5: question is I personally, myself DNC member for thirty years,

1931
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 5: I'll vote for Joe Biden.

1932
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 8: I mean, because I know what the alternative is.

1933
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:41,440
Speaker 5: But can I go having built credibility with my community

1934
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:44,320
Speaker 5: over the last fifty years of doing this work, forty

1935
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 5: of them full time, can I go to them in

1936
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:49,839
Speaker 5: Michigan and say I need you to blah blah blah.

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01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 5: I don't know if I'm willing to risk forty fifty

1938
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 5: years of credibility and organizing a community to get booed

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01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 5: out of the room. And so they have to be

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Speaker 5: a little sensitive to the fact that if Jewish votes matter,

1941
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Speaker 5: Arab votes matter, Latino votes matter, Black votes, we all matter.

1942
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Speaker 8: And you got to give us something.

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Speaker 5: You just spent three years telling us that Palestinians and

1944
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Speaker 5: Israelis deserve equal measures of blah blah blah, and did

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Speaker 5: nothing in those three years to show you meant it.

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Speaker 5: And now we're seeing the consequences of that and enabled

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Speaker 5: Israel An abused Palestinian population, and you're telling us, oh,

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Speaker 5: you'll forget about it in a year.

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Speaker 8: Sorry, probably won't, right, Yeah, probably won't.

1950
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Speaker 2: Indeed, I want to come back to something that you

1951
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Speaker 2: said about the rapid decline. You're talking about the decline,

1952
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Speaker 2: how it took several years for this materialize against the

1953
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Speaker 2: Bush administration, how it took a while for this materialize

1954
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Speaker 2: against Trump. You also spoke there about increased Republican identification.

1955
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Speaker 2: Have you talked or thought a little bit about why

1956
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Speaker 2: that is? Is it just Israel Gaza? Is there attempts

1957
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Speaker 2: by our successful efforts by republic instort an increase Arab

1958
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Speaker 2: American Republican identification?

1959
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Speaker 3: What are some of the issues that so you see behind.

1960
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Speaker 5: That number one, it's not an actual increase in Republican identification.

1961
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Speaker 8: The Republican numbers have been fairly stable.

1962
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Speaker 5: They've dropped points over years, but they've been in the

1963
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Speaker 5: high twenties thirty percent range, and that's where they've been. That's,

1964
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Speaker 5: you know, look, in every life, a little rain must fall.

1965
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Speaker 5: We've got about thirty something percent Republicans in the Arab community.

1966
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Speaker 8: What can I do? That's where they are.

1967
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Speaker 5: Even in the years of Obama, when the it was

1968
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Speaker 5: two to one Democrat Republican, it was fifty four percent Democrat,

1969
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Speaker 5: twenty seven percent Republican.

1970
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Speaker 8: They were hardcore even in.

1971
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Speaker 5: Trump they were where they were in the high twenties.

1972
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Speaker 5: The question is the precipitous drop in Democrats. Do I

1973
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Speaker 5: think that they will stay non Democrat? Do I think

1974
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Speaker 5: that they'll vote for Trump?

1975
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Speaker 8: I don't.

1976
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Speaker 5: They may stay home, they may find a third candidate

1977
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Speaker 5: to Right now, they're in the independent or not sure,

1978
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Speaker 5: which means they're parking there waiting to figure out what

1979
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Speaker 5: they do. Will they go back as the White House suggests,

1980
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Speaker 5: just because they don't have a choice.

1981
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Speaker 8: More likely they just won't vote.

1982
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Speaker 5: And I've you know, we've had hold your nose elections before,

1983
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Speaker 5: and you've got to give people a reason to go.

1984
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Speaker 8: And frankly, at this point, they're not seeing it. And

1985
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Speaker 8: I'll tell.

1986
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Speaker 5: You just one last point here is that when I

1987
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Speaker 5: said that was across the board with almost every subgroup

1988
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Speaker 5: in the community. The issue of Palestine is different than Iracke,

1989
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Speaker 5: it's different than Muslim band, it's different than civil liberty

1990
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Speaker 5: issues and stuff. It's the wound in the heart that

1991
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:44,520
Speaker 5: doesn't heal. And so even though your second third generation Egyptian,

1992
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Speaker 5: when Palestinians are getting massacred the way they are, it

1993
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Speaker 5: strikes a chord and it says, why is this happening?

1994
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Speaker 8: This should not be happening to these people.

1995
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Speaker 5: And it three years of doing nothing except enabling Israel

1996
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Speaker 5: to do whatever it wanted to do in the West Bank,

1997
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Speaker 5: and now this and people have had enough and they're

1998
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Speaker 5: and they're they're they're demonstrating it, and I think it

1999
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Speaker 5: needs to be paid attention to. I don't want it

2000
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Speaker 5: to stay this way, but something has to give. They

2001
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Speaker 5: have to do something to change direction here.

2002
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Speaker 4: Yeah, what does that something look like in your opinion?

2003
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Speaker 1: You know, I took note of the fact that Biden

2004
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Speaker 1: was in Minnesota, and Minneapolis obviously there's a sizeable Muslim

2005
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Speaker 1: community there and he didn't have on to schedule a

2006
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Speaker 1: single meeting with a Muslim leader. So it doesn't even

2007
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Speaker 1: appear like they're taking you know, they're taking the issue

2008
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Speaker 1: seriously in terms of outreach either to Arab Americans or

2009
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Speaker 1: to Muslims.

2010
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Speaker 8: And let's distinguished between Muslim and Arab that they are.

2011
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Speaker 5: Distincties here of course, Yeah, community in Michigan is a

2012
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Speaker 5: significant number of Somali's that Ilhan is from that community,

2013
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Speaker 5: and African American Keith Ellison is a part of that community.

2014
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Speaker 5: And he's heard from both of them and they've they've

2015
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Speaker 5: not been happy. But I think that Michigan is largely

2016
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Speaker 5: air of American. That's a different story. And you say,

2017
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Speaker 5: what can he do meeting with him right now?

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Speaker 8: That's it.

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Speaker 5: He hasn't had a meeting with Air of Americans period,

2020
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Speaker 5: right That's that goes without saying the issue though, is

2021
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Speaker 5: that something dramatic? I mean, look, could he say no

2022
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 5: to Benjamin En now and say stop it now?

2023
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Speaker 8: He could? He could do that, that would help. I mean,

2024
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Speaker 8: why there's no ceasefire. I don't understand why.

2025
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Speaker 5: There's They talk about Palestinian self determination.

2026
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Speaker 8: What are they going to do to get there?

2027
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Speaker 5: What are they going to do to stop the rampaging

2028
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Speaker 5: of They say we're concerned about settlers rampaging in the

2029
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Speaker 5: West Bank. Dozens of villages have been evacuated of Palestinians

2030
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Speaker 5: afraid for their lives because they're out of control.

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Speaker 8: In the West Bank.

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Speaker 5: The settlers are just rampaging through and scaring people, uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, from their homes. What is he going to do?

2034
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Speaker 5: The only thing that would make a difference is if

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Speaker 5: he said to stop it now and then made an

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Speaker 5: impact that would actually happen. We've never told Israel stop. No,

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Speaker 5: if you don't do it, you're not going to get

2038
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Speaker 5: that damn fourteen billion dollars. And you may not get

2039
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 5: it anyway. Because Palestini has needed to rebuild Gaza. There

2040
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Speaker 5: are things he can do concretely, he just hasn't done them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a very good point that at this

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Speaker 1: point it's not enough to have this sort of handrail.

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Speaker 1: Oh maybe I want a humanitarian pause. There needs to

2045
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Speaker 1: be some sort of real concrete action using the leverage

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Speaker 1: and the tools that the United States has in droves. James,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking the time to speak

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Speaker 1: with us today. It's so great to have your analysis

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Speaker 1: on this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, appreciate you, James, thank you. Thank you guys for

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Speaker 2: watching and really appreciate it. We'll have breaking coverage if

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Speaker 2: needed over the weekend. You can probably expect at least

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Speaker 2: something otherwise. We will see you all on Monday.