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Speaker 2: You know. It was John Middlecoff. His podcast is three

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Speaker 2: and out. He is everywhere during the football season, and

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Speaker 2: my Blazing five is on a freaking heater four and

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Speaker 2: oh today, I couldn't get a break in September, I'm

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Speaker 2: getting every break. When Shador Sanders came in, I was like, wait,

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Speaker 2: Cleveland Leeds sixteen to ten. I've got the Browns plus

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Speaker 2: eight and a half, just no pick sixes. And he

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Speaker 2: actually had a nice, like final dry little spin move

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Speaker 2: throwing the ends on you. Okay, I was It was

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Speaker 2: really entertaining. So let's start Denver twenty two Kansas City nineteen.

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Speaker 2: So the Broncos are now nine and two. The Chiefs

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Speaker 2: are a five hundred team. They're a hell of a

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Speaker 2: five hundred team. Kansas City's a good team. Bo Nicks

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Speaker 2: twenty four to thirty seven, two ninety five. Again no

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Speaker 2: big mistakes. What's interesting against Spags in that defense, John,

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Speaker 2: you know, really struggled. But they for the first time

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Speaker 2: in nine weeks, they scored on their opening drive and

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Speaker 2: it was as if Bow and Sean found a rhythm,

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Speaker 2: certainly on enough drives to get field goals that they

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Speaker 2: hadn't had. But it was one of those games when

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Speaker 2: you watched Sam Darnold unravel and you watched a lot

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Speaker 2: of quarterbacks. Today there was some ugly quarterback play. This

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Speaker 2: is where Boonix is really good. He doesn't take sacks,

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Speaker 2: he can move the chains with his legs. He's really

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Speaker 2: good in these big fourth quarter drives. I know he

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Speaker 2: about today against Mahomes, milking that clock, making that big

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Speaker 2: throw down the stretch. Well, it's your interpretation of Nixon

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Speaker 2: what you saw today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that final drive was huge, right, he

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Speaker 4: had two third downs third and fifteen when he scrambled

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Speaker 4: to his right. They need to get him on the

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Speaker 4: move more often, I think sometimes same. They've really tried

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Speaker 4: some of his a lot of his incompletion, because his

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Speaker 4: week ago. It was that deep ball. He's still overthrowing it,

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Speaker 4: but he was. He's good on the move. And then

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Speaker 4: So three enormous passes. I actually thought when Kelsey scored, saying,

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Speaker 4: I mean Travis Kelsey and Chris Jones. I mean, you

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Speaker 4: kicking themselves on that one, and he just he found

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Speaker 4: a way. I mean their defense is both these defense,

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Speaker 2: John, how about the late window Cleveland's defense, Ram Seattle, Denver,

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Speaker 2: Kansas City And Robert sala is doing an unfricking believable

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Speaker 2: that isn't that they were eleven and oh, not just that,

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Speaker 2: these quarterbacks four hundred million dollars and John, you look

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Speaker 2: Kelsey again rises to the moment. Chris Jones has not

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Speaker 2: had a good year. He had a good day today.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's the reality is when you know,

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Speaker 2: when you start looking at roster Seattle where they're paying

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Speaker 2: it's unbelievable roster. So you know some of it with

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Speaker 2: Brees was in New Orleans. He took a big salary

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Speaker 2: a team friendly deal at the end and they have

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Speaker 2: great rosters. With Sean Payton. How much credit do you give,

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Speaker 2: you know, Sean Payton's funny. I think he's the best

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Speaker 2: bit of a smart ass. But John, they're still paying

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson and this roster is stacked.

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Speaker 4: Where I give them a lot of credit is remember

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Speaker 4: there was so much momentum, and you went, this Vance

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Speaker 4: sacks record. The blitz he called. You just talked about

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Speaker 4: defensive coordinators. I mean the amount if you combine the

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Speaker 4: That blitz that he called, did sack Patrick Mahomes, I

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Speaker 4: I mean the coaching quarterback combination one of, if not

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Speaker 4: me deserves They played the Chiefs really well now two

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Speaker 4: So obviously you know Sean and you know he's he's

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Speaker 4: been very i would say consistent on bo Nicks. He's

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Speaker 4: extra time. I think Romo mentioned it that they spend

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Speaker 4: a lot of time just kind of getting back to

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Speaker 4: the basics, like getting in and out of the huddle.

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Speaker 3: Yea.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think sometimes you think it's like you

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Speaker 4: get rushed. It's like getting in out of the huddle.

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Speaker 4: Bo Nicks was saying, coach, you're getting me the plays

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Speaker 4: too late. And they worked on like stuff that you

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Speaker 4: don't even think. But that's sometimes you've got to take

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Speaker 4: with his accurate See, well, if he's all rattled and

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Speaker 4: all this other shit, then you're already screwed before you

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Speaker 2: That's what we saw with Kayleb Williams in the first

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Speaker 2: three weeks. His operational stuff was a mess. Now he's

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Speaker 2: still not pretty, but that's not the problem. He may struggle,

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Speaker 2: but the operational stuff. I do think with bow Nicks,

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Speaker 2: he's a really tightly wound guy. He's very intense, and

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Speaker 2: so I think Sean was adding to that anxiety by

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Speaker 2: that's why he's a tightly wound guy. He's incredibly hard

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Speaker 2: on himself. I talked to somebody who knew him before

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Speaker 2: the season. They're like, that kid is hard on himself,

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Speaker 2: like a little like Lamar Jackson, just doesn't savor wins

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Speaker 2: like losses are crushing. And so then Shawn's getting the

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Speaker 2: And Shawn's never been a great September coach anyway, because

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Speaker 2: he just unloads the playbook on him. But I thought

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Speaker 2: I mean, John, that was a little Jaden Daniels of

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Speaker 2: Bowl level drive. Like two big throws and they just

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Speaker 2: just took a knee. They were not going to let

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Speaker 3: And you know, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think I don't think Kansas City's a bad team.

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Speaker 2: I just think the margins get really skinny when you

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Speaker 2: pay Kelsey Jones Mahomes. I mean, the hell they had

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Speaker 2: to get rid of Joe Toney, you know, just this

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Speaker 2: is the reality of having a four hundred million dollars quarterback.

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Speaker 4: The other thing is this when you go to five

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Speaker 4: Super Bowls in six years, and I think the year

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Speaker 4: you missed it, you lost in the AFC Championship Game.

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Speaker 4: Where are you drafting every round? You know, twenty nine, thirty,

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Speaker 4: thirty one, thirty two. And that's not just the first

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Speaker 4: We're talking the third and the fourth round. So your margin, Ferrera,

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Speaker 4: You're not getting the pick of the litter each round, right,

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Speaker 4: This isn't like the second round you get to pick

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Speaker 4: the four best players that are still on the board

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Speaker 4: end at sixty. So the pressure on Beach in the

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Speaker 4: scouting staff is really really high, and I think that's

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Speaker 4: why they were kind of hesitant to make a bold trade,

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Speaker 4: because you need the picks, and especially, like, let's face it,

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Speaker 4: Kelsey and Chris Jones are coming down the home stretch here, right,

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Speaker 4: so these guys, they're no longer seventeen game elite guy.

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Speaker 4: They give you, however, many games during the regular season,

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Speaker 4: hopefully the playoff games, but like you are gonna need

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Speaker 4: to make some hay in the draft. But even this year,

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Speaker 4: let's say they end up going ten and seven because

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Speaker 4: they got some winnable games on their schedule. Let's just

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Speaker 4: say this the year they get bounced in the first round,

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Speaker 4: they're still it's not like they're drafted seven. They're still

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Speaker 4: drafted twenty first, so they are just you know, sometimes,

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Speaker 4: you know, the Ravens have had a good little stretch

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Speaker 4: here of the Starks and the Wiggins, and they've hit

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Speaker 4: a lot OF's out of your control, right, the guy

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Speaker 4: there for Howie, some years that guy goes pick sixteen

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Speaker 4: these picks. It's why historically you get a lot of

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Speaker 4: the good teams, John Schneider, Belichick, they would go back, yes,

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Speaker 4: because like, we just don't feel comfortable here. And it

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Speaker 2: just can't keep doing it. The eye test tells you

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Speaker 4: Like you're not gonna go to the super Bowl five

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Speaker 2: Don't forget Denver at home in January, it will be snowing,

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Speaker 3: That's my thing.

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Speaker 2: I love Stafford, but with him and Goff, you do

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Speaker 4: Unbelievable if they would have. If Seattle wins this game,

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Speaker 4: I don't think Sean McVay could have slept all week.

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Speaker 4: I mean he threw for two hundred eighty yards. Mac

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Speaker 2: That touts down to Christian Watson, he got a bad snap,

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Speaker 4: great player, but three of those losses to the Rams,

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Speaker 4: and if you count the playoff game and today he

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Speaker 4: the playoff game either, because I'm with you, I feel

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Speaker 4: like they're throwing them off, which then speeds them up,

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Speaker 4: which gets them all out of rhythm. Because now the

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Speaker 4: three games in which he's had of those twenty one wins,

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Speaker 4: he has been an MVP caliber player. Yet if you

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Speaker 4: take the Lions game and these last two Rams game,

437
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Speaker 4: he looks like a rattle player. So it's it's like,

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Speaker 4: clearly and some of those wins are against really good teams,

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Speaker 4: so it's not like he's just beating up on you know,

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Speaker 4: Kentucky's of the world, right, He's doing it against real competition.

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Speaker 4: So whatever Shula has put out there now and Aaron Glenn,

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Speaker 4: I do wonder if more people are gonna attempt to

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Speaker 4: just copycat that. Yes, but it just it's weird because

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Speaker 4: I was all in the way he was playing that

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Speaker 4: I watched today. I'm like, clearly, you can do something

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Speaker 4: to throw him off, and you know, he's It's one

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Speaker 4: thing if you just you know, you have bad footwork

448
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Speaker 4: and you overthrow a guy. It's another thing to hit

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Speaker 4: multiple dbs in their numbers. That to me is a

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Speaker 4: really really alarming sign. And I thought he had gotten

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Speaker 4: past it the way he was playing this year. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: whatever that confidence is. And then you see a moment

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Speaker 4: me some pause because there's gonna be a lot of

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Speaker 4: pressure on this guy in the playoffs again, right hand

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Speaker 4: down the stretch. He still got some big games left.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've said this about Caleb Williams and Bone nicks.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Chicago nineteen Minnesota Viking seventeen Santo's with

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Speaker 2: the walk off. I did think Chicago. First of all,

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Speaker 2: Chicago was better on third down, much better. They dominated

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Speaker 2: time of possession. Caleb had no picks. I thought Chicago.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I thought Chicago was the better team. This

501
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Speaker 2: is not one of these in which.

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Speaker 3: They were lucky.

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Speaker 2: I thought Chicago was the better team. Now, JJ McCarthy

504
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Speaker 2: had a couple of drops by Jordan Addison, one early

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Speaker 2: one late, So it's not all on JJ McCarthy. So

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Speaker 2: let's just look at the Bears though. So last year

507
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Speaker 2: they couldn't win games like this, and this is sort

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Speaker 2: of the magic of Ben Johnson and Caleb.

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Speaker 3: It's not pretty.

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Speaker 2: They have a win against the Raiders due to a

511
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Speaker 2: block field goal. They beat Washington when Jaden Daniels fumbled

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Speaker 2: late in the game. Remember nobody touch to be just fumbled.

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Speaker 2: They had a fifty eight yard TD against the Bengals

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Speaker 2: after a near collapse. They trailed double ditches in the

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter of the Giants and one and a game

516
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Speaker 2: winning field goal as time expires. Today against the Vikings.

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Speaker 2: Now you could say it's just luck. You know, I

518
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 2: think Caleb Williams legs aren't luck. He again today he

519
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Speaker 2: made two or three. I mean, listen, it's it's a cliche.

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Speaker 2: Nobody doubts how dynamic he is. Guy's a freakin' He's

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Speaker 2: a cleanup hitter. I mean, just the legs, the power.

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Speaker 2: He had a couple throws today. I mean, he's just

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Speaker 2: when he unleashes it, man, it is.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't one to DJ Moore. Did DJ drop? I

525
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Speaker 4: think it got on DJ so fast that you know,

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Speaker 4: I think he was trying to catch it, but it

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Speaker 4: hit his chest played before his hands could even get there.

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Speaker 4: That had to be a one hundred and ten mile on

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Speaker 4: hour fastball. That had to be the hart his ball today,

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Speaker 4: throat I think in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: But I think we have to be honest about this.

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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy had one really good drive at the end

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Speaker 2: and he deserves credit for it. But John, this is

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Speaker 2: not a highlight league. This is not the NBA. It

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Speaker 2: is about sustained drives. It is about putting your team

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Speaker 2: in situations to win. I got to tell you, I

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Speaker 2: don't know what it is, but when you have Kevin O'Connell,

538
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: good protection, decent run game, justin Jefferson, Jordan Adison didn't

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Speaker 2: he had drops I don't see it with JJ McCarthy,

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Speaker 2: and I don't want to do confirmation bias. He hasn't

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Speaker 2: had many starts. His arm is good enough. It's not

542
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 2: an arm thing. He has a decent arm, but he

543
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: looks nervous. He's a player that plays I think with

544
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Speaker 2: confidence and when he loses it after a second pick.

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Speaker 2: He had a couple of really bad drives. So he's

546
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Speaker 2: obviously somebody who's a bit in his head on this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Don't blame him, it happens. He's young, but it's it's

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Speaker 2: hard for me to unsee it. Like when kayleb he

549
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: was struggling last year, he wasn't throwing picks. He was

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00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: making plays with his feet. You could not deny his athleticism.

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00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 2: Even Greg Cosell kept saying, you know, the tape will

552
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: tell you he makes incredible throws. This JJ McCarthy thing

553
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: about four more of these and they got a problem

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Speaker 2: on their hands.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think they have JJ. Beside. The

556
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 4: one drive at the end was atrocious. I mean he's

557
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 4: a complete train wreck. I mean balls are flying all

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Speaker 4: over the mat. I mean he just not even close.

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Speaker 4: And I think Tom was in a tough position being

560
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Speaker 4: a Michigan man trying to not totally crush the kid.

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Speaker 4: But even Tom's like, I got no clue. There was

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Speaker 4: a stretch where they did some replays something I don't

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Speaker 4: even know where he's throwing. I do want to say

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00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 4: this though, that if you just take the two coaches,

565
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 4: you know, if we just did a draft from scratch,

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Speaker 4: they would be two of the highest guys in the league,

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Speaker 4: right Ben Johnson Kevin O'Connell. I actually think they're the

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00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 4: polar opposite though, being offensive guys and both former quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: Now O'Connell got drafted Ben Johnson think was a backup

570
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 4: in North Carolina. Ben's basically Kyle Shanahan two point zero.

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00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 4: He will run it till the cows come home, and

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00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 4: he makes it. It's a lot easier on Caleb to

573
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Speaker 4: be in situations where I'm not putting it all on

574
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 4: your shoulder, because I think Caleb, when he plays like that,

575
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 4: can get a little reckless and start running around. And

576
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 4: because he naturally just plays like that anyway, which he's

577
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 4: incredible a breakout of sacks, I mean, his ability, he's

578
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 4: like unsackable. You have to get multiple guys on him

579
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 4: because he's breaking through. But Ben Johnson day, the majority

580
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 4: of this game was just one score game. This wasn't

581
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 4: like one team's up twenty four to three. Kevin O'Connell

582
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: just insists, and I said this last year was Sam

583
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 4: Donald when everyone just took a giant, you know, kind

584
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 4: of dump on Sam Donald's career. It's like he didn't

585
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 4: get any help in that playoff game for his coach, Like,

586
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 4: have some runs, settle the game down. Ben Johnson wants

587
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: to run it basically, just three times, get a first down,

588
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 4: run it again. Kevin O'Connell's calling these deep breaking routes.

589
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 4: It's like, Bro, this is not Sam Donald during the

590
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 4: regular season. It's definitely not her cousins. This guy has

591
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 4: no clue where the ball is coming out of his hands.

592
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 4: He throw a pick in the corner of the end

593
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 4: zone on a go route. I don't know why you're

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00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 4: calling go routes for this guy. He's overthrowing guys. If

595
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 4: you're gonna throw some quick stuff, okay, some quick outs

596
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 4: somewhat easy, even though he was missing those two. But

597
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 4: there was one point in time during the first half

598
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 4: that they were averaging almost five yards of carry and

599
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 4: the Bears had like double the amount of carries. If

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00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 4: it was flip flopped Jordan Mason Aaron Jones, they would

601
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 4: have they would have easily both got double the amount

602
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 4: of touches they got. But he insists, and I get it,

603
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 4: he's got these two awesome wide receivers, but that's how

604
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 4: he wants to coach. He wants to throw the ball

605
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 4: vertically down the field, and that is not what this

606
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 4: guy is capable of doing right now, right you know, listen,

607
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams is much better player than JJ, and he

608
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Speaker 4: would be quote unquote more capable to do that. But

609
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 4: Ben Johnson and they got wide receivers too, but he's

610
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 4: not gonna play like that. And you got a coach

611
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Speaker 4: and I saw on social media it's like, well, you

612
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 4: gotta let him sing swim. The goal of today was

613
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 4: trying to win the game, and this was a winnable

614
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 4: game for both teams. And Ben Johnson to me thoroughly

615
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 4: out coach Kevin O'Connell, because yes, JJ stinks, but his coach,

616
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Speaker 4: like in the middle of the game in a one

617
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 4: score game, can help his guy out. And he's insisting

618
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 4: on pushing the ball down the field. And he's blowing

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Speaker 4: up in his face. Yeah, and I'm not stunned, but

620
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Speaker 4: it's like it's a consistent theme now with O'Connell throwing

621
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Speaker 4: the ball, you know, with this guy.

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Speaker 2: And think about this in the fourth quarter at the

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Speaker 2: end of the game, John, when they trailed the Bears

624
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Speaker 2: got that huge kickoff return, so JJ McCarthy leads him

625
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Speaker 2: to a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: You're like, oh my.

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Speaker 2: God, Minnesota's going to get out of this thing.

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Speaker 3: Look like crap all day.

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Speaker 2: They're going to win this game. San Francisco forty one,

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Speaker 2: Arizona twenty two. Brock pretty played very well, got started

631
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Speaker 2: with a sky more kickoff return, and they were off

632
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Speaker 2: to the races. I got to I'll say this, I

633
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Speaker 2: think Shanahan and Robert Sala. First of all, Arizona was

634
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: a mess. They had eleven penalties in the first half.

635
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: Harrison didn't play. But I'm gonna give San Francisco credit.

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Speaker 3: John.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if any other staff in that the

638
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: NFL could overcome It's I texted Saul at the other day.

639
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, you're coaching your ass off because

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Speaker 2: you have no players left. And Winter, I think is

641
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: a very good young player. But I mean my interpretation

642
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: watching that game today was, I mean, obviously you can

643
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: move a pocket much more with Brock Purdy than mac Jones.

644
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: They you know, they're moving the pocket all over the place,

645
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: and that's what Brock does very well. But they should

646
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: not be beating people forty one to twenty two on

647
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: the road.

648
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 4: I do think one the Cardinals have less like a

649
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 4: star power, but they are as injured as the forty

650
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 4: nine ers and now and the forty nine ers getting purty,

651
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 4: but Piersall back, their offense feels a lot different when

652
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 4: you put Ricky Piersall with Jeningks Kittle and McCaffrey. I

653
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 4: did think it was a delicate situation. I get it,

654
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 4: you paid them, you know, one hundred and eighty million

655
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 4: dollars guaranteed. But how well mac Jones has been playing.

656
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 4: And Kyle was steadfast and like, this is our guy.

657
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 4: When he's ready, we're gonna go. And I said, this

658
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 4: is kind of weird. He's ready, what's been up with

659
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 4: his foot? He's just gonna be one hundred percent. He

660
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 4: looked completely normal. And Kyle the way he handled with

661
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 4: mac Jones, and he gave Mac a lot of credit

662
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 4: to is like.

663
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 3: Kyle's pretty good at quarterbacks.

664
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 4: Yes, they're winning a lot of games with Mac. How

665
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 4: many coaches beside like a Andy Reid, could you just

666
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 4: be like, yeah, you're just gonna win ten eleven games,

667
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 4: I don't care what your schedule is. With a banged

668
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 4: up Purdy and Mac Jones, I'd say most teams in

669
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 4: the NFL are winning six seven games, especially with Fred

670
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 4: Warner with a cast on his foot. Nick nick boson

671
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 4: Florida rehabit and ACL. So listen, the Cardinals aren't bad,

672
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 4: but the forty nine ers beat the livin you know what.

673
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: Out of thinking about this, Arizona had almost five hundred

674
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: yards of offense and averaged seven yards of play and

675
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: got the you know what kicked out of them. Arizona

676
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: has talent. Arizona is they're just a big time Oh

677
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: they're just they all are Indianapolis where you're like, they've

678
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: got dudes, they just don't have the quarterback, right, So

679
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: you know, I think there is you know, well, I

680
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: when I watched the coaching today, especially in the late window,

681
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: I had Andy Reid and Sean Payton. You know, today

682
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: I've got Kyle Shanahan. I don't know if John Gannon's

683
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: a great coach, but Shannan is I've got McVeigh and

684
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald, I got John Harbon Stefanski. I like Stefanski.

685
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: I think John the coaching in the NFL today. I

686
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: don't think there's ever been this many good young coaches.

687
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: I think it's all and I think that jesse Minter

688
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: with the Chargers will eventually get something. There'll be a

689
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 2: college guy or too that will pop out. Ryan Day

690
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: obviously he's done. This is the best Ohio state. Like

691
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: Ohio State. For the first time in my life, it

692
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: feels like they've like Bama, they've separated from people like

693
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: by a touchdown or so. I think they'll I think

694
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: they'll beat Indiana signific I don't know when. I when

695
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: I watched Shanahan and Sola, I'm just impressed. I mean,

696
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: they've lot They've got eight different guys defensively traded or

697
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 2: not playing on defense.

698
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 4: Well, I think when you look at a lot of

699
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 4: the in the forty nine, Er has been one of

700
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 4: the best teams over the.

701
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 3: Last what five six years.

702
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 4: You go to the Bills, you know who's the poster

703
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 4: child Mahomes, who's the poster child for the ravens Lamar, right,

704
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 4: you just go around the top teams. There's a couple though,

705
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 4: like the Lions. You kind of think Dan Campbell first. Yeah,

706
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 4: you definitely with the forty nine ers, I mean that

707
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 4: they're they're they're franchise is Kyle Shanahan, you know, I

708
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 4: mean his his importance in getting Robert Sola to come back.

709
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 4: You know, I get asked a lot, do you think

710
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 4: he'll get a head coaching job this year? I just

711
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 4: don't think the candidates, Like, he's definitely gonna get some

712
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 4: interviews probably. I mean, I think Jonathan Gannon is in

713
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 4: major trouble.

714
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

715
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 4: Now, I'd also argue that if this was college, I

716
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 4: would view Arizona as one of those jobs, like I

717
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 4: wouldn't touch that job. Like that's just a bad that's

718
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 4: a place where tough to win. Esecially, when you factor

719
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 4: in you're gonna beat Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, and Mike McDonald.

720
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 4: Good luck to you with an owner of that's cheap.

721
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 4: Godspeed guys, because that's I don't think Jonathan Anam's terrible,

722
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 4: but their team's really falling apart now they're not They're

723
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 4: gonna their record's going to be awful. So yeah, I mean,

724
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 4: I listen Kyle this year. We liked him because of

725
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 4: their schedule, but once you had all the injuries, it

726
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 4: could have fallen off the rails fast and deserve a

727
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 4: lot of I think the mac Jones that signing and

728
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 4: resurrecting his career because he listen. I think his value.

729
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 4: It's like, well, would you trade him to the Minnesota Vikings? Yes, no,

730
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 4: I need them, but my problem is what a party

731
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 4: gets hurt? Again, his value to the forty nine ers.

732
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,959
Speaker 4: I would for the right price, but I'm not giving

733
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 4: to you for a third round pick. Would you give

734
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 4: me two seconds or something? Because do you want to win?

735
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 4: Or do you do you want to lose? Because you're

736
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 4: gonna lose with JJ McCarthy.

737
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: Right, No, I think Minnesota is to play, And I

738
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: said it last week on the air, I said I'd

739
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: get a third round pick. You're probably right. He's worth

740
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: a second and the fourth or a second and the third.

741
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: I think it's probably what mac Jones is worth. And

742
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: it's always hard to decipher is mac Jones good or

743
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: is it maybe just the coach? But I do think

744
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 2: when you watched Mac make throws to a depleted receiving corps.

745
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: It was pretty impressive.

746
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 4: I think. I think one thing too that you know

747
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 4: last year he was injured but changed the forty nine

748
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 4: Ers forever, was that it was between the Rams and

749
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 4: the Niners to get Christian McCaffrey, and it was the

750
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 4: Niners gave a second, a third, and they had to

751
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 4: give that extra fourth to make sure they got him,

752
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 4: and it changed the franchise. And I would say also

753
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 4: doubling down, you know, Kittle was getting a little older.

754
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 4: He's a pretty dominant player. So when you watch those

755
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 4: two guys, they are as good of a tandem as

756
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 4: a running back and tight end as you're gonna see.

757
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 4: I mean they are. They are ass kickers. I mean

758
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 4: they are ass kickers.

759
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: I think Kittle had two touchdowns today.

760
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 4: And he's he's just so physical and he's so good

761
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 4: in the run. And McCaffrey, even on some of his

762
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 4: runs that aren't a sexy he's just so physical and

763
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 4: he's so consistent.

764
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: Though.

765
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 4: Those guys are just they're Hall of Fame players. I

766
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 4: mean that's that's really what. They're just Hall of Fame players.

767
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 4: They're winning players, and they're guys you know when kind

768
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 4: of you know what's hitting the fan and your backs

769
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 4: are against the wall. They're guys you can lean on.

770
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 4: And that's the Chiefs have had those type guys. You

771
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 4: just need those type guys to be in the trenches with.

772
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one of my That was my second

773
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: favorite Blazing five pick. I took San Francisco minus two

774
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 2: and a half. I said, when Shanahan gets blown out,

775
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 2: take the Niners the next week. He's a regular host

776
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: of the Josh Pates College Football Show. Totally tied into

777
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: college football west coast to east. So years ago I

778
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: worked in Portland, Oregon for a spell and Mike Belotti

779
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: was the coach, Jeff Tedford was the coordinator. They finished

780
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: number two in the nation. One year they got lucky

781
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 2: not having to face Miami. They faced Colorado and they

782
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: matched up really well with Colorado and not with Miami

783
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: at all. And I think Nebraska played Miami and got

784
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: you know, there was like ninety eight percent fans of

785
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: the Rose bowlward Nebraska, but Miami kicked the you know

786
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: what out of them. So Oregon has used two things

787
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: to become a power. One was Phil Knight's creativity and

788
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: money to build facilities. When there used to be the

789
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: facilities war, right that would used to be a big deal.

790
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: Pre NIL, there was about a ten year period it

791
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 2: was an arms race for facilities and Oregon was the forefront.

792
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: They've actually used three things ingenuity, one hundred different uniforms

793
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: to impress southern col kids to be the cool place.

794
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: USC has one uniform, Penn State's got one, Oregon had

795
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: a thousand, So they used phil Knight's ingenuity, then phil

796
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: Knight's money with facilities, and then third phil Knight's money

797
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: with nil where they are the big bidder on the

798
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: West coast. Most of my life, when I grew up

799
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: in the Northwest, you would think you were going to

800
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: land the number three running back in southern California, USC

801
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: would get number one, UCLA two, You'd get three, and

802
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: then at the last moment he would decide to just

803
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 2: go to USC and be a backup.

804
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 3: But that changed.

805
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: Oregon now mostly gets as good a players as anybody

806
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: in the West Coast. I think this is an awful

807
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 2: matchup for USC. The teams that beat USC Northwestern actually

808
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 2: ran the ball to them. Iowa can run the ball

809
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 2: at you. Michigan Last year I think Oregon's going to

810
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 2: be hard to block. I think Oregon USC's oline young.

811
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: I think Oregon's going to run on them. I think

812
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: Oregon's a big playoffense in USC on.

813
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: The back end.

814
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: At corners week, if Oregon and there are a nine

815
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: and a half point favorite wins Josh thirty three twenty

816
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: one wins by two touchdowns, how do you think we

817
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: view I know how we view Oregon, that's been established,

818
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: that's an elite program. How are we going to view USC?

819
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: Because I think it's a terrible.

820
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: Matchup the same way people have been viewing them. I

821
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: largely see your way. The one thing I would say is,

822
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, coming into last week, if you and I

823
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: were to have talked about Pitt Notre Dame, you know,

824
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: you could have held up a piece of paper and said,

825
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: Pitt's got the number three run defense in the country.

826
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: And I would have looked at you and said, Okay,

827
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: Notre Dame's going to run right through them. I don't

828
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: really care what what paper says. It's lying to me

829
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: a little bit. So with this, like Oregon statistically top

830
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: three pass defense in the country, but I can tell

831
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: you that staff up there supremely respects that Indiana had

832
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: a combo of wide receivers come in there and work

833
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: them a little bit. USC's got the same combo receivers

834
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: that could come in there. And if USC were to

835
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: win this game and we look back, that's probably the

836
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: reason why. But if that doesn't happen, and if it

837
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: goes Oregon's way, it's probably just more the same. Colin,

838
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: It's probably you were a head coach that left the

839
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: Big twelve to go to the Pac twelve that became

840
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: the Big ten, and you really were never going to

841
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: be a fit in the Big ten. They hurled these

842
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: accusations at Lincoln as to why he didn't take the

843
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: LSU job, and he was scared of this, scared of

844
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: playing that kind of ball. I don't even care if

845
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: there's validity to it, because you didn't ask me what

846
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: valid is? You asked me, what are people going to say?

847
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 1: What are people going to think? They're going to throw

848
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: around the same accusations, the same pejorative connotations. And the

849
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: beauty of like competitive sport is you control that, but

850
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: yet it is that way until you change that. So

851
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: I see the matchup the same way you do. But

852
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: that's that's cool because if we both see it that

853
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: way and then they go up there and win stylistically

854
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: more a rock fight kind of game, then that's how

855
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: you change narratives.

856
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: That's the only way you change narratives.

857
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there is. I mean I was joking with

858
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 2: Lincoln off the air the other day before we did

859
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: our interview. I said, literally, you are being led by

860
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: a walk on running back from Calabasas.

861
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: He said.

862
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: He said, only at USC you fight a kid in

863
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: your backyard who's almost as good as any running back

864
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 2: you faced all year. No, they're the thing I always

865
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: go back to, Like Pete Carroll takes over the Raiders

866
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: and their defense is bad. That always worries me, like

867
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: you can't get your side of the ball right. Lincoln's

868
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: offenses have been money and the fact that he's doing

869
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: with a walk on running back. And for some of

870
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 2: the year, one receiver Lemon's been the really good key

871
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: receiver that's always been healthy. Deuce Robinson left went to

872
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: Florida State. You know, guys have transferred out. It's kind

873
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: of been a one receiver offense for a lot of

874
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: the seats. They don't have the supreme tight end talent.

875
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: Lake mccree's okay, three star kit. He's fine, not a

876
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: pro so, but it is. I will say this USC's

877
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 2: I'll give Jen Cohen the eighty credit. It's a really

878
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: distracted market and money gets splintered into movies and second

879
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 2: homes and tech companies and pro sports season tickets. It's

880
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: hard to galvanize Los Angeles like the Dodgers do, the

881
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 2: Lakers do, and yet there's the Angels and the Clippers.

882
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: It it's just it's hard. It's hard to stay to yourself.

883
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: It's the biggest economy in the country and Baton Rouge isn't.

884
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 2: But everybody knows in Baton Rouge, if you have money,

885
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: if you have two nickels drove together, you're giving them

886
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: to LSU football. I think it's much harder than people

887
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 2: think in Los Angeles. It's an incredibly distracted market. And

888
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: more so, remember when Pete Carroll was there, Josh, there

889
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: was no NFL in the city.

890
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the media either, man, So like it's a

891
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: whole new world.

892
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 2: And the Dodgers weren't the best organization in North America.

893
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: Like Pete was there. And when Pete was there, if

894
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: you won, your regular season games. Yeah, there was no semifinal.

895
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: H you won the Pac twelve, you went to the

896
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: Rose Bull So I don't know. I think I said today,

897
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: there's four or five programs in the country that have

898
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: an advantage for national championships. Georgia, Ohio State, University of Florida,

899
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: I don't love the governor, but probably LSU. And I mean,

900
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: and I said, I would say Oregon, but there's no

901
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: players in the state. And then I think there's six

902
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: of them Bama in the new anil world. They don't

903
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: have a lot of money and that changes things. They

904
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 2: don't look like like Oregon can go buy players from

905
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 2: the state of Bama. Bama is going to have a

906
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: hard time getting them out of Oregon. The Forregan wants

907
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 2: them that that wasn't the case four years ago. So

908
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I I've said this to friends. They don't

909
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 2: want to hear it. I said, USC is not Ohio

910
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: State in this new world, and they're not Georgia and

911
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: they're not Florida. It's a it's it's it's another thing.

912
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 2: Josh costs three million dollars minimum to buy a home

913
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: and a nice neighborhood with good schools, the assistant, the linebacker.

914
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: Coach is making five fifty. You can't afford to buy

915
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: a home. How do you view USC as an elite?

916
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 3: Are you?

917
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: What are you?

918
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: What is your mount Rushmore for best jobs, money commitment,

919
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 2: state with players, donors control their history.

920
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: Georgia has always been They've been to my number one

921
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 3: for a while.

922
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: If you were to promise me alignment at LSU, I

923
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: put LSU right up there. Ohio State's way up there

924
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: for me. Ohio State. Whatever you think about Ohio athletes,

925
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: I mean, there's like a proud tradition of high school

926
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: athletes there. Ohio State has zero problem going into South Florida,

927
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: I mean, zero problem whatsoever. So I put Ohio State

928
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: up there. You'd have to check, like which period of

929
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: time it is. But Texas conditionally is up there, same same,

930
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: But what's changed.

931
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: Over the past, just like.

932
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: What's evolving right now in front of us is Texas

933
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: A and M. Because Texas A and M has just

934
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: been it's been like this stack of wood, but it's

935
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: been wet historically, meaning they well, post Johnny manziel A

936
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: and M is a totally different world. If you went

937
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: on that campus pre manzel and then you went back.

938
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: Now you don't even recognize it. So they they leveraged one.

939
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: They leveraged Manzel better than Auburn leveraged cam Newton, like

940
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: they leveraged him so hard, so effectively. So I'd say

941
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: them as well, but with USC. So to go back

942
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: to what you were talking about for a second, I

943
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: remember I was way younger. I was like in school

944
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 1: when the Pete Carroll era happens out there, and we

945
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: were enamored with them. We hated them in the South,

946
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: but like we were enamored with them. You remember that

947
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: trip they made to Auburn and they shut Auburn out

948
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: to start a season. The entire South, even people who

949
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: hated Auburn in the South, they waited for that date.

950
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: They circled that date because it was going to be

951
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: like a culture clash and the South's culture was going

952
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: to rise. You can't come into Southern eat and do that.

953
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: And then of course they did. But I remember thinking

954
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: back then that I as it never made sense to

955
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: me as a kid growing up in the South, immersed

956
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: in college football and that being the culture. When people

957
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: would say what you just said about LA, I had

958
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: never left the South.

959
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: So to me.

960
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: I just assumed that all the big time college football

961
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: programs and the towns slash hid they were in were

962
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: like Athens, Georgia, Auburn, Alabama, Tuscaloose, Alabama, Knoxville, Tennessee. That's

963
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: just the way I thought it worked. And I thought

964
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: when people said, boy, there's a lot to distract you

965
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: out there, there's a lot more going on in LA,

966
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 1: I thought it was excuse making. So you know, since then,

967
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: I've been able to travel, I've been able to go

968
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: out there, and it just it slaps you in the

969
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: face when you go out there. I feel the same

970
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: about Miami to a certain extent when I go to Miami,

971
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: when I go to LA. If you just drive around

972
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: for a day, be in town for seventy two or

973
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: ninety six hours, and ask yourself, does this feel different?

974
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 3: It feels way different.

975
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: And you just ask, like, how much more difficult must

976
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: it be to capture this place's imagination? Therefore, to capture

977
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: the wallet, to capture the emotional and financial investment, then

978
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: it must be in Baton rouge or in college station.

979
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: And that's the challenge.

980
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 2: Now.

981
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: The trade off is if you've got it, you've got it.

982
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: But if you don't have it, they're not going to

983
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: help you get it. So you got to go in

984
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: there and you got to do it on your own.

985
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: Whoever is about to take the Florida Gator job, they'll

986
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: have the full weight and full support of that community.

987
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: Lincoln took the LA job, and it's like, this is great.

988
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: We'll check back in a little while. If he's winning,

989
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: we may show up. And if they're really winning, we

990
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: may even give a dollar or two.

991
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: You know.

992
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: I talked today.

993
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: I was talking to Joel Klatt about this. I said,

994
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 2: the best defenses I've ever seen in college football. The

995
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: Huskies with Steve Etman in the early nineties just bulldozed people.

996
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 2: They brought in the four to six and nobody knew

997
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: how they brought it from the Bears, and the whole

998
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: college football for a year did not know how to

999
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 2: attack Washington. I mean they literally every game just it

1000
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: was over in the box. You couldn't get downfield, and

1001
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,959
Speaker 2: they had NFL safeties and corners. So for about a year.

1002
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 2: Then there's the USC defense was really good with Pete

1003
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: Carroll where Clay Matthews didn't start at linebacker, and then

1004
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 2: it was NFF NFC Rookie of the Year. Defensively, it

1005
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: couldn't start for USC. Then there was there were a

1006
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: couple of I always loved. There was it the Rolando McLain,

1007
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: the linebacker for Bama. It was the one that beat Texas.

1008
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: I was like, man, they hit different. There were a

1009
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: couple of Saban defenses that were and there was a

1010
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: Georgia defense, a couple with a Jalen Carter.

1011
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 3: So there's been about four or.

1012
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 2: Five that I've watched and gone, oh, that doesn't look

1013
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 2: like that's somewhere between Saturday and Sunday football. It's not Sunday,

1014
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: but it's close. Ohio State has an advantage none of

1015
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: those had.

1016
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 3: It used to.

1017
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 2: Be even Nick Saban, you'd have a hole in your

1018
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 2: defense and you'd go to junior college and he was

1019
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: never quite as good as the ranking. You have the

1020
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: number two corner in junior college and you're like, he's

1021
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 2: probably their best corner. But he solves a dilemma. Well,

1022
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: now you just go buy the best corner. If you're

1023
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: Ohio State and you're like, we need to be better

1024
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 2: at corner, We're just gonna go buy the number one

1025
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: guy who're already in the sport and crushing, and I

1026
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 2: look at this Ohio State defense and again I want

1027
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 2: to see him play out and who they play Josh.

1028
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 2: The windows to complete passes are Sunday windows, like they're

1029
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 2: when even when Knicks teams were great, you'd have a

1030
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: corner like d Milner, who wasn't really a great corner,

1031
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: he was great with a Knicks system. They got two

1032
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 2: players that could go top five. They have another two

1033
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: that could go fifteen between the fifteenth pick in the

1034
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 2: third and the second round. What do you make of

1035
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 2: just forget Ohio State, just what you've seen from their defense.

1036
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: It really boggles your mind a little bit because of

1037
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: what conventional wisdom would have told you. Conventional wisdom, like

1038
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: we all watched twenty twenty four Ohio State in that

1039
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: stretch run, and you know in the back of your

1040
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: mind or you think you know they're making this run

1041
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: because of all this senior veteran talent, Like they're going

1042
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: to lose all these guys. Their entire defensive front's going

1043
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 1: to be gone, and we didn't even know Jim Knowles

1044
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: was going to be gone. But they also lose the

1045
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: coordinator and so like, just say that out loud, you

1046
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 1: had had anybody. I don't care who it is, Ohio

1047
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: State or anyone else. They are powered by their defensive front.

1048
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: Entire defensive fronts wiped out, and coordinator's gone as well.

1049
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: Not to mention, you're just coming off a national championship,

1050
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: so there's that natural propensity to get a little complacent,

1051
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: maybe come back to earth a little bit. Everyone's gunning

1052
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: for you the next year. The bet I don't know

1053
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 1: if the team overall is better, the defense looks better,

1054
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how that even happens. Matt Patricia came

1055
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: in and here's one of the early warning signs. I

1056
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: remember when Ryan Day got elevated there, and I remember,

1057
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: you know, Ohio State is Ohio State, so they could

1058
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: do a national search if they want to. They can

1059
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: go land most any head coach they want. And they said, no,

1060
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: the guy we need is already here. And I remember

1061
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: some people looked at it and said, that's crazy. They're

1062
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: cheating themselves by not doing this. Not do it, And

1063
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: I looked at it and I said, they're not stupid.

1064
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: They know what they have in the building. Just because

1065
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: you don't know who Ryan Day is doesn't mean they

1066
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: don't well It's the same way when Ryan Day needed

1067
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: to fill that defensive coordinator role. There are guys who

1068
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: would leave really good jobs to be the DC at

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00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: Ohio State, and he went and got Matt Patricia. That's

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00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: not a name that would have been on anyone's radar.

1071
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: You take the biggest industry insider, give me your top ten.

1072
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia's not on it. And Ryan goes and hires him.

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00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: And you see why like hiring, I mean, it comes

1074
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: down the players making plays. But if you can staff

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00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: properly in college football and you have top fifteen talent,

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00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: let alone what they have, you're going to be really

1077
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: hard to beat. Now that doesn't make him invincible, but

1078
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: what you're talking about is there's gonna have to be

1079
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: a team if Ohio State gets eliminated that puts together

1080
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: such an air tight like tight rope walk, performance, precision, poise, accuracy,

1081
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: no turnovers. That's what it's gonna take. That's what it

1082
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: used to take to beat those saving teams. It took

1083
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,479
Speaker 1: some insane performance. Somebody just plays out of his mind,

1084
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: and if that that happens, you tip your cat to

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00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: the other side. Short of that happening, Ohio State's going

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00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: to win the national championship.

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00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,959
Speaker 2: Well in the other thing is the way to beat

1088
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: Saban was Manzell or cam It was generally somebody that

1089
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: could go off script that Nick couldn't prepare for. He

1090
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 2: just there's nothing you could do. I mean, if Nick

1091
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 2: knew you were in the pocket, you could go back

1092
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: and look at this. I'm not sure he lost three

1093
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: times if he knew we're going to be That's why

1094
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: I think Ohio State beats Indiana because you know where

1095
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: Mendoz is going to be. The way to beat Ohio

1096
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 2: State or a great defense.

1097
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 3: Is, oh shit, Josh Allen.

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00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: I mean, never forget what Josh Allen did to Belichick

1099
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 2: when Belichick was in New England. Bill couldn't do anything.

1100
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: So the only quarterback that Bill's ever faced, even Peyton Manning,

1101
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 2: he gave some trouble to He could do nothing with

1102
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: Josh Allen because Josh, especially when he was young, about

1103
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 2: sixty percent of his game was offscript. That was Manziel,

1104
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: that was Camp. Those are the kind of guys that

1105
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 2: just off script guys gave Saban trouble. And Mendoza is

1106
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 2: a classic big arm pocket guy. And the other thing

1107
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 2: is you could beat Nick if you got to lead

1108
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 2: in the second half and his defense had to cheat

1109
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 2: a little or guess right, Like if they could dictate terms,

1110
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 2: Saban squeezed you out like a towel. But if you

1111
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: made Nick trailed, Nick now was taking some risk defensively.

1112
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: I've got to get the ball back. We've got to

1113
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: generate pressure with extra people. I think if Ohio State

1114
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: leads in the second half, you're in big trouble. If

1115
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: you have to throw against that. I think you can

1116
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 2: the way to beat great defensive teams in college off

1117
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: script and you force them to take risks they normally

1118
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't take because you lead late.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think another thing that happened like with Deshaun Watson

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00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: Clemson teams when they played.

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00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 3: Bandage another one. Yeah, it's just that.

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00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: Was that the I'm not saying it's the first time

1124
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: you ever saw anyone run tempo, but it was still

1125
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: that early period. Like Malzon comes into this to the

1126
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: picture and like guys are running tempo as the foundational

1127
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: aspect of their offense for the first time. So the game,

1128
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: like the rules hadn't shortened the game yet either with

1129
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: the clock rules. Clemson ran over one hundred offensive plays

1130
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: in one of those National.

1131
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 3: Pampionship games, so I'd rarely seen Bama defense on the

1132
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 3: field for trevorly Lawrence. Yes, yeah, so.

1133
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 2: Ran down the sideline against Alabama. I think it was

1134
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 2: Alabama ran down the side again Trevor and DeShawn. It

1135
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: was off script plays that beat Bama, not just the

1136
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 2: pocket stuff.

1137
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Speaker 1: That's why like that, just you don't run that many

1138
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: plays anymore. So that's another thing that's taken out of

1139
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 1: the toolbox. See what you're saying is why I'm really

1140
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: interested how Marcel Reed would play against them, Mike, Marcel,

1141
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: We're coming off the worst half of football we'll ever

1142
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: see him play in his life, followed by one of

1143
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: the best. So that's it's a little weird timing. But

1144
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: you know, when you talk about matchups, people always misunderstand

1145
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: you intentionally.

1146
00:55:58,239 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 3: There was, oh, you think A and M is better

1147
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 3: than No Highest. No one said that, dude.

1148
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: What I did say is, out of all the matchups

1149
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: they could draw in the postseason, yeah, that's the one

1150
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: that would get my attention the most because that's the

1151
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: one that.

1152
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 3: Would probably keep them up the night at night the longest.

1153
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 2: The volume