WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: First Grade? 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:07.480 The following Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:17.840 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys, Let's go. Are 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.720 you ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:25.840 a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah? And so 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:29.720 much for that. It's time for the Break on Dallas 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:35.440 Cowboys dot Com. Were with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:41.880 bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, April sixth, 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:45.199 twenty twenty two, Season eighteen, episode number three. Welcome to 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.159 the latest edition of The Break Life and Nest WBC 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.680 Mortgage Studios. At the started day, we're talking draft. We're 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:52.760 gonna get you guys ready these next few shows, get 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.680 you ready for draft. It's happening later this month into 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.280 the month actually, and I know Dave's been doing a 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:01.600 lot of work on that in his his appearances on 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:03.800 the Draft Show. Nick, I'm sure he is writing lots 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:05.920 of great articles and Hamberg's getting a lot of stuff 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:08.399 ready for somost. So we got a lot of information 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:10.520 that we were gonna digest that we're gonna give you, 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:12.440 guys for you to digest over the next few weeks 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:15.959 getting ready for the Cowboys Draft. Here in late April, 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:21.000 how's everybody doing today? Great? Good? Wow, that was loud. Sorry, Yeah, 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.440 I'm a little confused about something. So I'm glad we're 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:26.759 talking draft because I do have a question. You want 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:28.160 to throw it out there, Let's let's get it out 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:30.920 there in the open, right. Typically when you have a question, 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.120 it takes up like twenty five minutes of the show. 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.520 So yeah, let's get into it. I mean, it's just 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:38.800 about it. And one of the names that has been 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.560 one of the most popular names when it comes to 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.400 the Cowboys in their first pack at twenty four is 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:51.320 a center, Tyler under Bomb. But uh yeah, I guess 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.800 I haven't really studied much about him or learned much 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:58.720 about like can he play other positions? You know, why 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.200 is that name? Why is this center? And I know, Nick, 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:06.200 it's kind of gearing tours the change of or let's say, 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.239 an upgrade at center, but just in general, like me personally, 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.960 I don't see that as the biggest necessity on the 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:16.840 oh line. But why is the name like that a 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:22.000 center being so popular for the Cowboys right now? Because 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.840 centers not a position that's typically valued heavily in the draft. 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.640 You know, Travis Frederick was drafted thirty first overall, and 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:31.680 people thought it was a bad pick. People tend to 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:33.880 think you can find a good center later in the draft. 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.959 So when a center comes along that has really good pedigree, 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.880 like a surefire first round pick, that's kind of rare. 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:44.640 Tyler Linderbaum dominated at Iowa. You won the Remington Trophy, 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:46.600 which is what they give to the best center in 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:50.359 college football. His tape is outstanding. Again, like it's it's 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.400 rare to have a draft class where you're like, this 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:54.360 center is going to go in the first round, Like 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:58.080 that doesn't happen very often. And I tend to agree 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.480 with you. I think I think Tyler beotis kind of, 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.240 in my opinion, is kind of a convenient scapegoat, like 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.399 he's certainly he's not Travis Frederick. I think we've talked 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.120 about this before, like they could upgrade the position. But 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.440 I do agree with you that there are bigger problems, 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.520 namely right now left guard. In my opinion, but I 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:20.160 just think people see they're basically we weren't very good 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.480 at center. There's a great center in the draft. He 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.000 kind of fits into the range of where the Cowboys pick, 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:27.079 and it just makes sense. How much do you think 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:31.120 this offensive line going from what it was when they 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.320 were at their peak here a few years ago to 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:35.360 where they are now is about the fact that they 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.160 know along a half of Travis Frederick and maybe getting 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.520 a dominant, more dominant center maybe makes gets them back 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.880 to that area. Yeah, I hate to be a buzz 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.480 kill a few years ago. I mean they were at 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.920 their peak in twenty sixteen. I mean that's feeling like 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.640 ancient history at this point. Yeah, I think having it 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:55.960 we're in another building, believe it or not. Yea, having 0:03:56.040 --> 0:04:00.600 an all pro center, yes, huge, Travis Frederick is vastly underrated. 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.640 Tyrn Smith was a lot healthier back then. Ron Leary 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.160 was the best left guard of the era that I've 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:11.120 covered the team probably and all of those things tie together. Sorry, Nick, 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:14.960 I didn't cut you off. No, I think it's true. Yeah, 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:18.080 I think that Frederick that's a big part of it. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.440 And then also, like you said, Tyrn Smith being injured 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.560 us I think a bigger issue. But anytime you got 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:27.320 a guy that's making the line calls there, anytime you 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.279 got a guy making the line calls, I think that's 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.200 going to be the biggest issue. Is the fact that 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:35.279 like just they don't have the continuity that they had before, 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.239 and I think, be honest, has got a lot of issues. 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.839 Strength is one of them. And then just just kind 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:43.480 of understanding the game as a young player, and you know, 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.320 not everybody did it as smoothly as Frederick does. Do 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.479 you think that? And I know we've talked about this 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.040 in previous weeks, but to Amber's point, do you think 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:54.720 that maybe the reason why the Cowboys would consider, if 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:58.039 they really are considering a center that high, is because 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.080 they feel like if you get a more dominant center, 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.640 it helps your left guard problem. And maybe Connor mcgovernment 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:07.080 becomes viable at that point. I don't know, maybe not, 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.200 but I'm just saying maybe that's the way they're looking 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:10.839 at is you give me a dominant center, maybe my 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.359 left guard becomes a little less of a problem. I 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.920 think you can apply that to either spot. Really, I mean, 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.159 Zion Johnson and Kenyan Greener names you're going to hear 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.520 a lot too if you haven't already. They're arguably the 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:24.800 best guards in this class. I think one of them 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:26.880 could make Tyler Beotish look a lot better. But yeah, 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.840 I mean making the calls and again I learned this 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:33.080 from Brian Broadus, Like just go watch tape of Travis 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.039 Frederick or any like great center and the way that 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.479 they are able to cut a defense in half by 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.280 holding the point of attack in the middle. It's invaluable. 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.960 You don't like, you take linebackers out of the play. 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:47.839 You cut off a lot of backside tackles. I think 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:51.559 they missed that tremendously and that Yeah, identifying things before 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:55.560 the snap, Tyler Linderbaum would make this team a lot 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.240 better in a hurry, I think. I know. I said 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.640 I didn't think Beotish was a big problem, but I 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:03.240 do think that would be an upgrade. Yeah, Which that's 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.040 the thing about the draft too. You kind of want 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.000 to be in a position where you can draft players. 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:08.960 I'll just make you better, not necessary. I got to 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.839 feel holes, and that's why you would hope going into 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.000 the draft they don't have a lot of glaring holes. 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.000 Why we're just making eyeball emojis at the left guard 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.360 spot right now, Like, what the hell's going on? Right? 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.120 I mean, if you ever ever you remember that one 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:27.640 center that wasn't very smart, neither that doesn't happen. The 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.240 good centers are the ones that understand the game. They 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.599 understand what's happening before it even gets there. So I 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.640 think that that's also invaluable too, just to have a 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.600 guy that knows kind of what the defense is trying 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.760 to do and they can get everybody in order. I mean, 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.640 Mark Stavnoski wasn't the best center. I mean it wasn't 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:47.680 the best player on that little lines, but he was 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.040 kind of the anchor there because he kind of you know, 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.640 keeps it, keeps it all going and under and gets 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:56.000 everybody kind of in position to see what's happening next. 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.960 All right, to your point and why you were taught 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:01.839 talking about, you know, having someone that can help the 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.760 guy next to you, I mean I think would you 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.400 rather have that person be in the center or would 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.080 you rather have that person be the guy that's on 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:15.400 guard playing guard in a scenario where maybe a guy 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:19.960 like Tyrn Smith goes out at some point, then you have, 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.200 you know what I mean, like who's then at left 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.480 tackle at that point? And how much like you know, 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.720 who would be more? Where is the experience the most 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:33.920 beneficial within the old line? And to me, I wouldn't 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.119 say it's centered right now. Well, but here's the issue. 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.680 What I think it still comes back to is and Dave, 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.360 you mentioned a couple of guards. Is Linda Round better 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.920 than those guards? If he's better than those guards, I 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.000 don't want the Cowboys going into a draft saying, what, 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:48.800 we really need a guard, so let's pass up a 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.160 better center in order to get a lesser guard just 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.520 because we think we need a guard. I think take 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.080 the better player, which is again why I don't think 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:57.760 it's ever a good idea to go into the draft 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.000 with glaring holes, because you got holes, then you got 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.160 just feel the whole, and you take a lesser player 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:08.920 sometimes than taking the better player. Okay, I was just 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:13.000 taking they have not. So it does as Dave was saying, 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.640 you got those big guys looking might not look guard 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.280 like that, looks like a glaring holder. They don't. They 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.360 don't even think like that. They don't even think about 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.160 this year's team. I think they're looking at it. Who's 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.600 the better player in three years? Who's going to be 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.720 the better player or the center or this guard or 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.400 this tackle. Honestly, I mean we're forgetting the tackles, but 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.840 I think I think if they're if if it's all equal, 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:35.839 if there's a guard, a center, and a tackle that 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:37.640 are all sitting there that are equal. I think they 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.800 take the tackle. I don't know how much that helps 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:41.920 you this year, But they don't always look at it 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.679 that way. Yeah no, and that's Karti Wood because if 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.840 he doesn't win, he's probably not the coach. Yeah right, 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:48.360 But I don't think they look at it that way. 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.880 That's that's good in a vacuum, that's what they should do. 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.680 But that's what makes this so weird is they haven't 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.719 done They're not They have not done things they need 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:02.480 to do to make this team viable. Like if they would, 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.640 it's small practice to go into a draft like, man, 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:06.439 we better come out of here with one of these guards. 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.000 But that's what it looks like right now. Their options 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.760 are a seventh round pick and a guy that they 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:13.800 benched when they gave him a chance last year, and 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.400 they're the only swing tackle right now is a fourth 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.520 round pick who didn't play a snap. And it's cool. 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:23.040 McCarthy mentioned Matt Farniac and Josh Ball by name when 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.640 we asked him about it last week at the owner's meetings. 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:30.200 But the great Bradsham it left a big impression on me. 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.840 He once said, hope is not a strategy, and hoping 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.240 that those guys look great during the season because they're 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:39.160 out here working out doesn't make me feel any better. 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.040 I don't know about anybody else. You think they have 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.440 a different opinion of McGovern than what they have shown 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:48.920 or telling us, perhaps, But what they've shown is that 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:50.920 they gave him a chance and then they benched him 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.000 for guy that had no future being here, Right, that's 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.079 point they've shown. They've not shown us they haven't trust 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.400 in him, But the fact that they haven't signed anybody, 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:00.880 maybe they're showing us that they maybe do have some 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.800 trust in him. Dead guys that are out there aren't better, right. 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.480 Actions speak a hell of a lot louder than words. 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.240 I mean, yeah, they gave him a shot, and it 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.360 may for what Nick just said, it makes all the 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:11.960 sense in the world to leave him in there, and 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:15.840 they didn't. So and maybe maybe they're right, maybe the 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:19.120 guys available aren't better. But we all really saw it 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.000 with Terrence Steele when everybody thought he was terrible, they 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:24.520 kept him in there, so we know they've done it. 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:28.040 I have a different and they kept doing it because 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:31.080 they had faith. They gave him the hook. They were like, no, 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.480 thank you, We'll go back to the other honor. I 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.080 do kind of think that's the way they look at 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:36.920 Beadiest a little bit. I think they look at him 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.360 like Terren Steele. I think they think he's an ascending player. 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.360 I think that's what they believe. But I get like, 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.120 that's honestly, that's fine with me. Like I do not 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:49.800 think Tyler is the I don't think he's this problem 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.839 that must be fixed right now. Like I said, lender 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.600 Bomb's there and you feel good about it, do it. 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.360 But I'm not one of these people that's like, they 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.480 gotta come out of this draft with Tyler under bomb. 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:03.800 But I'm sitting here right now thinking, like, man, it 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:05.680 might be kind of dicey for y'all if you don't 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.080 find a way to get a guard with one of 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:09.480 your first two picks. But sometimes, though, you do have 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:13.360 to look at the entire class, look at it and 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:15.880 go all right, if we want to get a guard 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:19.280 and a center, we get linderbaumb here at center. He's 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.040 better than Beyondest and he plays immediately. If we get 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.080 a guard here and we want to get a center later, 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:28.640 that we're just getting another another Farniac or be honest 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.040 in the fourth or fifth round, and then we're trying 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:32.760 to figure you know what I mean. So if they 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.920 might look at it and go guard, we could probably 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:37.720 still get a guard in the second, third, or fourth 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:39.920 round that could compete with McGovern. If we don't get 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:41.280 the center here, that we're not going to get one. 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:45.000 That's a good point. Yeah, And that's all the fine 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.400 points of drafting that you don't really think about when 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:48.959 you're just looking at it in a vacuum, like, well, 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:50.400 you gotta make this pick here, and you gotta make 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:52.280 this pick here. There's a bigger picture to it, and 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.400 there's a story there. I mean, Bill Parcels did it 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.040 in the second round. He wanted Jason Witten, but he 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.440 didn't take him because he didn't he thought they were 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.880 way more tight ends available. There's not another center. He 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:07.800 took Al Johnson, Yeah, and stayed. He ripped the door off. 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.800 He was practiced about it and so but he ended 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.640 up getting him in the third round and he turned anywhere, 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:15.079 turned out to be a good player. And now he's 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.120 out of mur and Al Johnson is a Johnson? Where 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:21.000 is Al Johnson? Al Johnson is coaching Division two football. 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:25.520 We believe in East Central University in Oklahoma. Good stuff. 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.800 He's had two years and he's been a pretty good 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:32.000 coach there. Head coach, head coach Division two football, Al Johnson. Yeah, 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.240 let it go. All right, here's what we're gonna do. Uh. 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.320 I figured today what I wanted to do on the 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.439 topic of draft is I want to go back and 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.640 look at the last five years of drafts because I 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.240 think there's a lot of you know, I think the 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:49.200 general consensus around media types and fans is at the 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:52.480 Cowboys draft pretty well. But I do think when you 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.760 look at it in isolation, I think there are some 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.760 glaring misses, and I think sometimes fans will look at 0:12:57.760 --> 0:12:59.839 that and they'll be like, man, that just sucks, and 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:03.360 they're not really thinking about the totality of what they 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.440 did in each year. So what I did was I 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.480 went back and I looked at all of the picks 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:09.880 for the last five years. I put them in categories 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.400 by the round that they were drafted in. And I'm 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.079 gonna talk to you guys, and I want to get 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.440 your opinions on first like, what would you expect from 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.320 a player selected in this round? And then do you 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.959 think the Cowboys met it in each of these in 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:24.680 the in the last five years. With the picks that 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.839 they've made, that all makes sense. Yep, all right, bet 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:30.000 So here's the first round. Let's talk first about Michael 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:34.559 Parson's last year Ceedee, Lamb, Layton, Vander esh Tackle Charlton. 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.120 Those were the first round picks for the last five years. 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.600 Cowboys did not have a pick in the first round 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.520 the year that they got Tristan Hill in the second round. 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:44.920 That being said, what do you expect from a first 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.040 round pick? And do you think overall when you look 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:48.960 at that class of guys, do you think that they've 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:53.959 met that expectation. I don't have to use my opinion. 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.200 I know what teams think, and so a guy that 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.719 you draft in the first round depending on again, and 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:03.720 I got to remember too, like the way teams approach 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:05.400 the draft is so much different than the way we 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.880 talk about it. Pick twenty is not obviously, it's not 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:10.840 the same as pick one. Pick eight's not the same 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.120 as pick seventeen. Like, most teams have fifteen to twenty 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.480 first round grades on players, so that matters too. So 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:21.160 if you're a top of the first round grade pick 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:25.520 one through probably pick ten where Michael was drafted. You're 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:27.760 supposed to be an immediate impact player and like a 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.520 long term difference maker, just a regular old first round 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:34.240 grade potential building block player and a first year starter. 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.480 So if you look at that in that vacuum, Mike 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:42.080 Ka checks the box CD again. Maybe people thought he 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.120 was grade at higher than he wound up being taken. 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.520 But where you take a guy seventeenth, first year starter, 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:53.240 potential building block absolutely Layton vander Esh, that's tricky. I 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.960 mean that he looked like it. He absolutely looked like that, 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.360 and it hasn't turned out to be the case. It's 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.200 worth note to his credit that they got four years 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:06.280 of starting ability out of him, but for where he 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.760 was taken and where he was and where it wound 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:10.800 up going, I think it's fair to call that disappointing. 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:14.520 And then obviously Taco is just the worst miss of 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.680 the Will McClay era. There's no other way to phrase it. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:21.280 I don't know about that. I mean, I mean your 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:24.880 twenty eighth overall pick. I mean, who's worse. Well, I 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:26.920 mean what they did the next year was just as bad, 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:32.000 don't you think. I mean Tristan Hill yeah, I mean Cooper. 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.200 Amari Cooper is what I'm talking about. They traded for 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.440 Amari Cooper and then they didn't even resign him and 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.720 keep him a long term Your first round pick played 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.200 three years. That's a bus. That's just like Taco Charlton, 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.440 and it costs you twenty million dollars to do it. 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:46.320 If you're gonna spend your first round pick and go 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.280 get Amari Cooper, he'd better be a guy that you 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:52.840 keep long term, not because your offensive coordinators not throwing 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:54.600 him the ball and it doesn't work out, and he's 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.240 kind of quiet and doesn't have the same ra ra attitude, 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.560 so let's get rid of him. Like, I mean, that's 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.480 a bus as big as anybody else as far as 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.960 I'm concerned. That's your first round pick. And I look 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.800 at it very simple. If you're not going to give 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:12.000 him a fifth year option, that shows kind of what 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.680 they think. Taco wouldn't even hear Layton didn't get a 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:18.160 fifth year option. We'll see about CD. I mean, I 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.440 think i'd be hard pressed. I think he doesn't, right, 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:23.160 I would think probably he will. He's on track for it. 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:25.000 But that's why I look at it like and I 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.880 think seventeen, eighteen, and nineteen. The guys that were in 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:32.760 those first round picks or traded for are they didn't 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.400 get first round options, and it just backed into Layton 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.880 because his price went so low they weren't playing on 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:41.880 keeping him. But he's here. I just disagree in the sense. 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:45.000 I mean, Amari Cooper was everything he was advertised to be. 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:47.680 He came in and saved that season. He made their 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:49.880 passing attack one of the most explosive in the league 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:51.800 for the time that he was here. They liked him 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:53.960 enough to sign him to the extension. Remember they traded 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.400 for him, not they were like, we're gonna get like 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.800 eighteen games out of this guy. We don't, I mean, 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:00.680 we don't know what his long term future is. They 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:04.240 gave him the deal, and it's it is a purely 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.679 Cowboys decision that he's not here. It's not that he 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.399 wasn't good enough, right but right. That's why when I 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:11.440 say it was a bust, he's not a bust. Yeah, 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.919 I'm talking. I'm talking to the cow You're saying the 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.440 Cowboys wasted the first round was the number we heard 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.639 over and over and over when they trade it for him. 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:23.080 Twenty four that was the number. He's only twenty four, 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:27.640 ye twenty seven, and he's playing one and they got 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.360 a fifth round pick for him, So that to me 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:32.760 does not look like a good a good move. And 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:36.320 they're in cap hell because of some of the moves 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:37.560 that they made to get him. I mean, so I 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:39.360 just don't I don't want to just gloss over that 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.719 one and say, well that year, I hear you, and 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.560 I just I mean, look, I think it's asinine that 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.399 he's not on this team. And the fact that they 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.200 were trying trying to trade for DeVante maybe not trying 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:53.200 to trade, they were interested in trading for DeVante Parker. Yeah, 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.040 they who cost a third round pick and had like 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.919 a seven million dollar cap hit, so like obviously less 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.439 but you're interested in doing all that for a receiver 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.800 when you just already had a guy who, by the way, 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.280 his salary already looks less imposing than it used to 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:10.800 because like three new guys have signed deals since he 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:14.360 got traded. Stefan Diggs is a twenty four million dollar player. Now, 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.240 by the way, I think it's ridiculous. But having said 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.560 all of that, and another, by the way, what have 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:23.200 you done with the money that you say, Mmm, interesting, 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.879 I still say, Taco Charlton just signed with his fifth team. 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.280 He's a Saint now. Yeah, he has eleven and a 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:34.480 half career sacks. He's never he started seven career games, 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:38.200 like he was the worst decision objectively than Amari Cooper 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:42.040 in my opinion, many does Gregory have like seventeen. I'll 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:43.879 just laugh at it because I mean, he still has 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.440 eleven sacks. Ye, Like, I'm not saying he's a good player, 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.040 and I have said it a thousand times. If his 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:49.720 name was John Charlton, he would have been a fourth 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:53.640 round pick. I just think I believe that. I don't 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.560 think that matters. Doesn't Nick tell me that doesn't matter. 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:58.280 I think, Please tell me that doesn't. I don't think. 0:18:58.359 --> 0:18:59.560 I don't know if he would have been a fourth 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:04.080 round but I I think that just got the novelty 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.840 of a guy named Taco. Guy named Taco, let's get him, 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:09.760 Like you really think that's the way it goes, Which 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:11.800 is funny because I think his real name is cooler 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:19.840 than the name Tacos Dante. Yeah, oh no either God, 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:22.600 And sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:26.440 covers this team. No offense, we stick you stick to 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:32.800 the final. Nobody knew his name was Rained Dakota until 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:34.960 he started making plays like if this fair, you know, 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:36.560 if he would have been a backup and right, we 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:38.480 would all know he could be like his real name's 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:42.320