1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: Might what about it? That's what that. So it's been 2 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: such a fun month of doing these super special, super 3 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: spooky Halloween Spectacular episodes. And I'm not even spooky like that, 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: but like I got spooky this month. I watched a 5 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: lot of scary movies. Yeah, and I've really enjoyed the 6 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: chance to really focus in on one piece of media 7 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: and each of these bonus episodes, and this week we're 8 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: doing one that even before, like a virgin, you know, 9 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: took another look back at this piece of media. This 10 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: is something that has already been given this you know, 11 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: broader cultural reassessment, um. And that is Jennifer's Body, you know, 12 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: the Diabolo Cody film starring Nick and Fox and Amanda Seyfrid. 13 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: And we're going to talk a lot about it's played 14 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: some pop culture when it came out, why it was 15 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: so you know, maligned and misunderstood, and I guess off 16 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: screen controversy that like maybe made the film less successful 17 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: than it could have been. And we also talked about 18 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: that lesbian kiss and of course, yeah, and how it's 19 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: been you know, reclaimed and reassessed through a contemporary lens, 20 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: because this is like a Virgin, the show where we 21 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm most am you 22 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: and I'm fran Toronto Virgins. If you follow us on 23 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: Instagram at like a Virgin, you will know that we 24 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: did ask your opinion on what films and spooky themes 25 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: we should talk about this month. You also should know 26 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: that we just fully disregarded all of your suggestions. Yeah, sorry, 27 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: but you're not going to be disappointed with what we 28 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: chose instead. No, we were trying to account for one 29 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: past episode and the episode we decided to do. Well. 30 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: This is the last episode of series, but the last 31 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: episode we are recording, um and the one that we're 32 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: filling is for Jennifer's Body, which deserves to be discussed. 33 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: You know, it is a cult classic. It really has 34 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: been you know, reclaimed in recent years as you know, 35 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: part of Queer Girl canon. I think it also reverses 36 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: something in a quintessential like a version analysis, which is 37 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: that the you know a lot of times we watch 38 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: our read or look at things and it's like this 39 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: thing was very relevant then and it's like a little 40 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: less relevant now, and now we're consuming something that was 41 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: like at the time critically panned or had a lot 42 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: of controversy or like negative criticism around it, and now 43 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: um people are thinking that it was maybe more ahead 44 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: of its time, very ahead of its time for the Virgins. 45 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: Jennifer's Body is a two nine film written by Diablo 46 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: Cody about need Liz Nikki and her best friend Jennifer 47 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: check Um. They are besties living in you know, like 48 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: this ass backwards town and a emo band fronted by 49 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: Adam Brody of the O C Fame visits their town 50 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: and he and his bandmates, because they want to become famous, 51 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: sacrifice Jennifer as part of a satanic ritual because they 52 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: think she's a virgin. But she's not a virgin. So 53 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: the ritual goes wrong and she becomes a demon. She 54 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: becomes a succubus, and she starts feeding off of not people. 55 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: She specifies she's not killing people, she's killing boys, so 56 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: she starts seducing and then eating these boys who make 57 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: her powerful. Needy knows what's going on, UM, and you know, 58 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: UH is not going to let Jennifer you know, kill 59 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: these boys, even though we'll get to this later. I 60 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: think she should have Um and the the movie ends 61 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: spoiler alert with Needy killing Jennifer and winding up in prison, 62 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: but then she escapes at the end of the film 63 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: and goes to exact revenge on the band. Um. The 64 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: movie stars Amanda Cyfred is Needy, Megan Fox as Jennifer. 65 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: It is iconic in many ways. Um, something that should 66 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: be said is like that that Needy is kind of 67 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: like this nerd, which like lalad Amanda Cyford like playing 68 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: a nerd, like she's she's so beautiful, She's so beautiful, 69 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: like there's no world she would ever fall into that 70 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: like category. But I don't know that she's a nerd 71 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: as much as she's a horse girl. She's a horse girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 72 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: she's there is always that really beautiful but just weird 73 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: girl in school who has hair as long as Amanda 74 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: Cyford's hair is. It's it's just silly, but it but 75 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: it um the movie in general is actually playing into 76 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: tropes that we might find in like an after school special. 77 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: Like it has that kind kind of pulpy like after 78 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: school special quality to it that is very aware of itself. 79 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: And so Jennifer is like this liberated hot like slut 80 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: who Needy almost um well actually no, definitely looks up 81 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: to like at the beginning, at least at the beginning 82 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: of the movie, like she sees her as this pinnacle 83 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: of like sexual liberation that she doesn't quite have access 84 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: to yet. And I do think that the way Diablo 85 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: Cody wrote this movie, it like champions the like kind 86 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: of high school drama component of it as much as 87 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: it champions the horror um so it blends those together. 88 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: I mean, the opening line of the film is Hell 89 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: is a teenage girl, which you know, I think it's 90 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: interesting for me to look back on this is you know, 91 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: I was never a teenage girl. So I don't know 92 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: how true that statement is. I can imagine it is 93 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: very true, and I think I've consumed enough media to 94 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: know that that it is. And you know, that statement 95 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: is proven by the way that this film was received. 96 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: So I do want to talk a little bit about 97 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: the context of when this movie is released, because I 98 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: think it says a lot about the way it was received. 99 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: So this movie came out in two thousand nine. It's 100 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: written by Diablo Cody, who was fresh off of the 101 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: incredible surprising success of Juno Um, winning the Oscar for 102 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: the screenplay and nominated for Best Picture. Probably probably were 103 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: you a Juno head? I loved the movie, Yeah, I 104 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: you know kim Yall Dawson and soundtrack. I definitely. Um. 105 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if I was like a Juno stand 106 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: but I did watch the movie over and over again 107 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: and love the soundtrack. And I wanted to be Diablo 108 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: Coody like I wanted to write something quirky and indie 109 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: like her. Yeah. The movie was directed by Karen kusama 110 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: Um who directed Girl Fight a on Flux a couple 111 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,679 Speaker 1: of years ago. She directed that movie Destroyer with Nicole 112 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: Kidman with the wig um oh my gosh, and yeah, 113 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: and Megan Fox was fresh off of the Transformer sequel. 114 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: Amanda Seyfrid was fresh off of Mamma Mia. So you 115 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: look at this film and it's all of these women 116 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: who are really at that peak in many ways of 117 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: their fame, and so it had all of the ingredients 118 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: to be this really successful film, and it was a 119 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: huge flop um both commercially and critically. It only made 120 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: it made like barely twice it's budget. It currently has 121 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: a fort on Rotten Tomatoes, which I think that's crazy 122 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: that it hasn't gotten bumped up by you know, the 123 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: all of the people who still love it and the 124 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: way it's been you know, sort of reassessed today. But 125 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: I think it's very telling of where we were in 126 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: pop culture in two thousand nine. So you have to 127 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: think about and we we've talked a little bit about 128 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: this before in our Twilight episode. Two thousand nine was 129 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: like peak Twilight Mania. So we're at this time and yeah, 130 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: we're at this time in culture where no one in 131 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: pop culture is more hated than the teenage girl. You know, um, 132 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: so hell is a teenage girl. It was a time 133 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: when there was all of this real anger and uh, misogyny, 134 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: misogyny at work because teenage girls had proven their capitalistic 135 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: power to control media, um and to prop up the 136 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: things that they were interested in, and so because of that, 137 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: they became the butt of every joke. You know. It 138 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: was just a time when if a teenage girl liked something, 139 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: then that was just all the more reason for people 140 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: to hate it and to hate teenage girls themselves. So 141 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: it's no surprise that this film, which is about teenage girls, 142 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: was I'm sure marketed to them, uh, was you know, 143 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: critically panned and was a huge flop. Well what's actually, um, 144 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: I was reading a little bit and prep for this episode. 145 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: I was reading about like the runway to the movie 146 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: and and how that kind of teenage girl thing came 147 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: into fold and I you know, they greenlit this movie 148 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: and you know paid for it, um right after Juno, 149 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: just as you said, and um, and when it was announced, 150 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: like nothing's even in production. When it was announced, people 151 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: were protesting it because by then people already had a 152 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: problem with I guess like Diablo Cody, you know, succeeding 153 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: as a woman. But also just like the conceit of 154 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: it was like for some reason offensive to like certain 155 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: classes of people, which is insane. Um. But that is 156 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: just your as you're saying, the kind of white hot 157 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: heat that was on Diablo Cody at the time. But 158 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: I think that in you know, recent interviews and when 159 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: this movie is being looked at retrospectively, which it is, 160 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: you know a lot, especially last I want to say, 161 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: last year, like Megan Fox had a little bit of 162 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: a comeback. Megan Fox had her you know resurgence into 163 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: pop culture. Um. There were a lot of the younger 164 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: generation of celebrities we have now, um directly referencing Jennifer's body, 165 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: like Olivia Rodrigo and her Good for You music video 166 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: like is very obviously referencing Jennifer's body. So last year 167 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: was was a big moment for you know, reclaiming this film, 168 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: especially among queer women. Um and I think both young 169 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: queer women and also the queer women who probably loved 170 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: this film when it first came out, you know the 171 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: way that I did, exactly, But um, what what's interesting 172 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: about your Like the way you were thinking about, like 173 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: how this movie is for teenage girls is exactly correct, 174 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: but that's not how the movie was marketed. So Diablo 175 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: Cody and Karen Kusama went up against like the kind 176 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: of powers that be about how the film were to 177 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: be marketed, and they just like would not hear them. 178 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: They were like, no, this movie is for teen boys 179 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: because their horny period, Like we're not doing anything outside 180 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: of that, and the movie I feel maybe didn't find 181 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: it's real audience, um, because there was this kind of 182 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: patent refusal to like see teenage girls as a viable 183 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: audience for horror. Um. And so there was actually this 184 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: really funny moment in one of the interviews with Diablo 185 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: Cody I was reading wherein they were being presented a 186 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: very like misogynist ad um fixating on Jennifer's hotness, which 187 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: was kind of like the definitely the trailer, which she 188 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: also hated, like definitely the marketing plan like Megan Fox 189 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: being hot is like obviously was a part of the 190 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: pr plan um. And Cody like you know, replied to 191 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: the email and was like, hey, can you like clarify 192 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: like why you think this is like good for the 193 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: movie or like what you think this this will do 194 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: for the movie? And the email they got in response, 195 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: Cody said, was Jennifer sexy. She steal your boyfriend, like fully, 196 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: not a full sentence, like not even grammatically correct, like 197 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: she said, it was as if a caveman had written it, 198 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: and that was like what she was up against, trying 199 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: to help the film find its audience, which it maybe 200 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: didn't until later years. Yeah, and you know, watching it 201 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: again because I watched it last night preparing for this, 202 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: it's directly at odds with the actual product because I 203 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: every time I revisit this movie, I'm like, am I 204 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: am I like misremembering it? Am I remembering it as 205 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: being more for women than it actually was? And I'm 206 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: not because it really is. This movie is one of 207 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: the best examples of the female gays in film I've 208 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 1: ever seen, like down to the literal gaze of the camera. 209 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: You know, I think the most iconic image of this 210 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: movie is Megan Fox swimming in the lake after she's 211 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: eating her first victim. You know, that's like the reference 212 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: that Olivia Rodrigo pulled. And in a movie that was 213 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: directed by a man, when Jennifer gets out of the water, 214 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: you know, the camera would have lingered on like her 215 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: back and her as the parts that they think men 216 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: want to see. But then the way that it's shot 217 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: in this movie is she gets out of the water 218 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: and it's her wringing her hair out and very simple. 219 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: It's it's just like it's so obviously the gaze of 220 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: a woman. And even in the scene where Needy and 221 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: Jennifer kiss later in the film, it's not exploitative in 222 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: a way that I think a movie made by a 223 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: male director would be. The shot is so close on 224 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: their lips. It's such a hot but it's for like 225 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: all genders, like it's everybody, but it also is very 226 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: fem It's the gaze is on their lips, it's on 227 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: the tenderness and the intimacy and it's sticky and sweet 228 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: and intense, but not like pornographic at any point. Like 229 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: I was kind of I want to get your take 230 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: on that scene in general, like how you felt about it. 231 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: I when I was reading about this, people took huge 232 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: issue with the fact that there was a makeout scene, 233 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: Like queer people were like, this is exploitative and like 234 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: or like this is like so gratuitous or whatever, or 235 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: maybe like it was more like feminist critiques. We're like, 236 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: this is so for the male gaze. Like I didn't 237 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: feel that was true at all. No, I think that's misogyny. 238 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: I think it's misogyny to think that a movie written by, 239 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: directed by, and starring women could not include a very 240 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: like honest depiction of teen queer sexuality. Like I think 241 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: it's so believable that these girls are obsessed with each 242 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: other in a way that includes being sexually interested in 243 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: each other, and of course that would come out as 244 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: a kiss, like it's hammered in so often in this 245 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: movie that Needy is the one exception to Jennifer's you 246 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: know evil. When she first becomes a demon, she goes 247 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: immediately to Needy. She doesn't hurt her because she loves her, 248 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: and so of course there is an undercurrent of that 249 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: being sexual attraction. And yeah, I absolutely believe that they 250 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: would make out. I actually would believe that they've made 251 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: out before. Yeah. I actually would be mad if they 252 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: hadn't made out. I know, That's all she said. Well, 253 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: she even says, like, um, let's play we can play 254 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: a boyfriend girlfriend like we used to. Yes, exactly, Like 255 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: the infatuation is there, and also like there through the 256 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: whole movie, it's not unearned at all. And also it 257 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: makes sense plot wise because you know, Jennifer seduces her victims, 258 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: like and so this is when they were kissing, you 259 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: have these little alarm bells going off. You're like, oh no, no, 260 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: this means that she's gonna die. Like it also has 261 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: a kind of functioning foreshadow. Um as much as it, 262 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, was just earned in the emotional intimacy of 263 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: the characters. And it's so good and it's it's this 264 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: is bisexual culture, you know, and she's by like the 265 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: character I think that Jennifer is by she kind of 266 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: she literally says when when they're in the pool, the 267 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: pool scene, she says, I thought you only killed boys 268 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: I swing both ways. It's supposed to be explicitly bisexual, 269 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: and I think at the time in two thousand nine, 270 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: people were like, well, that's just a joke. It wasn't 271 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: a joke. Oh, it's like why would you write it. 272 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: At the time of like Juno, like they were making 273 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: jokes about Diablo Cody on like Family Guy, you know 274 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like she became Diablo Cody's whole sensibility. 275 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: I think with Juno became this easy joke, you know, 276 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: And that very much was grafted onto this film and 277 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: the way it was received, which is crazy because actually, 278 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: like um, even though like critically the noise around it 279 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: was loudly negative, like Roger Ebert loved like that, they 280 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: loved this film like that. It got positive reviews in 281 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: the time. I think the Times like got a ton 282 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: of really positive criticism, but because the conversation around Diablo 283 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: Cody was so loud um that it just like consumed 284 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: the kind of lens through which the movie was being 285 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: looked at. And that was then um compounded with the 286 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: Michael Bay drama, which is during the press junket of 287 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: this movie, like around the movie was being around the 288 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: time the movie is being marketed. Megan Fox said really 289 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: negative things about Michael Bay, the director of trans Farmers, 290 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: the movie she had just come off of, and she 291 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: also called him like Hitler, which is like, you know, 292 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: not very like um intentional words, but like she had 293 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: a horrible experience working with him, and for anybody like 294 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: for her to do this in like a pre two 295 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: era like is crazy, you know what I mean, Like 296 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: that is unheard of. It. It gives me just so 297 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: much more love and respect um for Megan Fox just 298 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: as an actor in general, Like she was blacklisted by 299 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: Michael Bay and like was like essentially like talk made 300 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: toxic in film and TV after this, And I think 301 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: their favorability of both Megan and Diablo went significantly down 302 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: because of Jennifer's body totally. And I think with the 303 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: Diablo cody of it all, I'm sure there was also 304 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: this expectation because you look at these two films, right, 305 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: you look at Juno, which almost has this like righteousness 306 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: to it of this character who like does this you know, 307 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: good thing, and like you know, she gets pregnant, she 308 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: gives her baby up for adoption. Like there's this I'm 309 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: not I'm not gonna say like st Lena's to Juno. 310 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: But it's a very twee film. It's very sweet, it's 311 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: it's very much a feel good movie. You immediately fall 312 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: in love with everyone involved and become protective Juno. And 313 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: so then for the follow up to that to be this, 314 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: So you have all these people who are already poised 315 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: to not like Diablo Cody, and then she writes this 316 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: movie about a bloodsucking female demon, you know, it's giving unfortunately, 317 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: gave people weapons to use against her. I wonder, like, 318 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: not that I want this to happen, but I wonder, 319 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: like what would have happened to either Megan or Diablo 320 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: if this if Jennifer's body was instead her like fifth 321 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: or sixth film, you know what I mean, Like if 322 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: it had come later in her career, when there was 323 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: there was like more breathing room around, you know, her 324 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: success or something, or it just felt like consequently and 325 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: unfortunately in the wrong place at the wrong time, Because 326 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest, if this movie came out today, 327 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: this was a first time filmmaker and it was an movie, 328 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: it would like it would be an Oscar nomination, you 329 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: know it actually like there should know I was gonna 330 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: say there should be a reboot, but like, there should 331 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: just be more movies like it. There should be so 332 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: many more movies. I mean, I mean there are and 333 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: there there's movies and TV shows like it. And I 334 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: think so much of the media that we enjoy and 335 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: consume probably does owe a debt to Jennifer's body in 336 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: a way. And I think it's really ahead of its time. 337 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: I mean, there's it's not perfect. There's some no, there's 338 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: some very racist jokes in it. Um and you know, 339 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: there's a Chris Pratt jump scare and oh my god, 340 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: and then Chris Pratt says the word fags or whatever 341 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: he says like saga like oh my god, it's two 342 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: on the nose right now. Um It. It's just a 343 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: good movie. It's a good scary movie. Megan Fox is 344 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: genuinely terrifying, and she's also acting like she plays it 345 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: completely serious. Like a lot of the rest of the movie, 346 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: I would say, it's like pretty camp, and she decided 347 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: to play it straight. And I have so much respect 348 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: for her because of that, you know, And it also 349 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: just made me appreciative of what is demanded of an 350 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: actor in an action movie. I know, that Jennifer's body 351 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: is less of an action movie than Transformers. But I 352 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: was like, that really is like a whole different breadth 353 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: of skill sets that you have to take on and 354 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: and habit in your body in order to do this acting. Yeah, 355 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: and she and a man to deliver Diablo Cody's lines 356 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: so well that scene in the Poolhouse where Amanda Cyford 357 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: says something like when she's floating, she's like, oh, you 358 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: show off, And she's like, do you have to like, 359 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: you know, like have an opinion on everything I do? 360 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: It's it's just so funny. She's literally floating through the air, demonic, 361 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: he possessed, and she's like, why do you why do 362 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: you always have to like, you know, denigrate what I 363 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,239 Speaker 1: It's just like it's like a caddy girl fight, but 364 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: she's floating in the air. It's genius. It's like really smart. 365 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: It's cinematic invention, like we've never seen that before. But yeah, 366 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: the movie, the ending, I didn't love the ending ending. Yeah, 367 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: So this is my problem is that I do think 368 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: if the movie were made today, it would end with 369 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: Needy also becoming a demon and her and Jennifer being 370 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: together being a couple and just like going off and 371 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,239 Speaker 1: killing people, and that's how it should have ended. There 372 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: could have been like a love story in there somewhere. 373 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: I think it could have been, Like I mean, especially 374 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: now that like culture is like not completely primed, but 375 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: more prime than in two thousand nine, for like a 376 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: kind of lesbian revenge fantasy like that would absolutely eat 377 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: because Needy is a little sanctimonious. She's like, you're doing 378 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: bad things and you kill my boyfriend, so I'm gonna 379 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: kill you, and I mean fair, but also like this 380 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: is your best friend. Shouldn't you kind of be on 381 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: her side a little bit? Yeah, figure out how you 382 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: can exercise the semen or you know, all these different things. Um. 383 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: Can we also talk about the soundtrack of this movie. 384 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is I think this is the 385 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: first time I heard Florence the Machine was kiss with 386 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: a Fist because the trailer, it's in the it's in 387 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: the movie. I know it's in the movie, but I 388 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: was wondering if it was also I don't know it 389 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: might have been in the trailer because two nine is 390 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 1: the year that Lungs came out. It was with the 391 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,719 Speaker 1: Fist was the first single, So I do believe that 392 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: this was how I discovered Florence the Machine. And also, 393 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: let's say it the song that Low Shoulder that becomes 394 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: famous in the movie because of their satanic ritual and 395 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: becomes like the soundtrack of of Devil's Kettle the town 396 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: and like everything bad that happens there, it does up 397 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: its laps. And also there's a there's a song by 398 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: the Black Kids that drops. It's called I'm Not going 399 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: to Teach your Boyfriend how to Dance with You, and 400 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: it sent me down such a huge spiral. I like 401 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: had no choice but to make like an indies Lee's playlist. 402 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: Um I I I had not heard that song in 403 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: ages UM. And I also think kiss with a Fist 404 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: is also in that like kind of era of music. 405 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: I was reading later that UM the soundtrack was produced 406 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: by Fueled by Ramen. Do you remember Fueled by Ramen? Girl? 407 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, damn, Like I want 408 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: like movies to go back to this because that like 409 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: era of music, Like I mean, it was very like 410 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: Sufjan Stevens kind of me. It's it's indie music that 411 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: you know. This is like um discovering the Kills through 412 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: a Gossip Girl episode. Era Yeah, this is like the 413 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: era of Paramore, Paramore of Feist being in an iPod commercial. 414 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: You know, this this US you know they even Adam 415 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: Adam Brody even says, do you know how hard it 416 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: is to make it as an indie band these days? 417 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: And like has the whole spiel and theble Cody's like 418 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: love for indie music, I think is something I appreciate. 419 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,239 Speaker 1: Like Kimmy add Austin was like a nobody before that 420 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: movie and she I think her love of indie music 421 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: is actually something is something that isn't always appreciated. You know. 422 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: I did realize in watching this film that possession movies 423 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: are not really my go to with horror and kind 424 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: of a bit of a blind spot for me. Like 425 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: obviously I've seen The Exorcist. Have you ever? I think 426 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: I had to go home early because I was so scared. 427 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: It was really scary. It is, it is really scary. 428 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: Um It's but it's not like Super I don't. I don't, 429 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not obsessed with it. Like I get, 430 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: I get that are very of their time. Yeah, I 431 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: get that it's a great movie, but it's not one 432 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: that I've really wanted to revisit a lot. You know, 433 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: there's Hereditary, which I have truly only ever been able 434 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: to watch once. The first time I saw it in 435 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: theaters so so so scary. I still think about Tony 436 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: Colette hovering over the bed. My old apartment in Brooklyn 437 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: had really tall ceilings, and any time the lights were off, 438 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: I was like, Tony Colette is up there. She's gonna 439 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: get me. She's gonna like swim past my head. It's 440 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: the scariest part of Um. Have you seen Ghostbusters? Uh? Yeah, 441 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: I have? Okay, So Sigourney Weaver in the movie where 442 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: she gets possessed by the demon, she's feeling a little 443 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: Jennifer's body. Yeah, she is. Sigourney honestly is something of 444 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: like a kind of action thrilled. She honestly, like Megan 445 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 1: fa could have been the next Sigourney kind of not 446 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: known like alien transformers like the Alien No I haven't, 447 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 1: but like versatility, like in like a kind of Blockbuster action, 448 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: but also able to do something like campy and stupid. 449 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: Where do we what do we think Megan Fox's career 450 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: would be today if she hadn't been blacklisted. Oh that's 451 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: a good question. I feel like she she would not 452 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: be dating Machine Gun Kelly. Let's say that. No, No, 453 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: I mean I hope, I hope not she would be 454 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: dating Megan Kelly, as we said during our Hogus book 455 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: is rewatch um. But no, I think if she, if she, 456 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: she would probably be the muse of someone like maybe 457 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: even she would maybe be in an r astro movie, 458 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: you know who. I think she would kind of be 459 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: giving a little bit. I think she'd be a sort 460 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: of Juliette Lewis figure. Oh, I could see that. I 461 00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: mean she's not like kind of cantankerous like Juliet Lewis. 462 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: She'd be sexy Juliette Lewis, sexy comedic relief because let's 463 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 1: Megan Fox has amazing comedic timing um and also like 464 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: incisive intense, a dead pan like unfazed by the world, 465 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: by everything around her, um, and you know, it's really 466 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: fear like Juliet Lewis is definitely like one of those 467 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: fearless characters. Megan Fox is definitely one of those people too. 468 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: I hope that she does more things. It doesn't seem 469 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: despite her renaissance um last year, if it is a zance, 470 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like she's signed up to do more movies. 471 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: It has more been a it has more been about 472 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: her as a person than has been about her as 473 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: an actress. She did some like Netflix vampire show or 474 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: movie or something she did. Yeah, but I think she 475 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: should do something like a Yellow Jackets, like not not 476 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: necessarily literally yellow Jackets, but I think she should show 477 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: up in you know, a streaming show or something like 478 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: a little Prestige, maybe a little spoon Key. And I 479 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: do think she's a good actress, Like I would like 480 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,239 Speaker 1: to see her back in that space rather than just 481 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: like talking about how she like licks machine on Kelly's 482 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: Blood or something, you know, the Machineern Kelly stuff is 483 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: like so disappointing and honestly, now that I'm thinking about it, 484 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: when I'm thinking about what Megan Fox is susceptible to, 485 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,479 Speaker 1: maybe she would become one of Ryan Murphy's music Like 486 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: maybe she would have been like an Emma Roberts kind 487 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: of you know, well, she's not totally. I think she 488 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: still could like get her get her in the next 489 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: season of American Horror Story. No, no, no, she deserves 490 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: better than that. Like Ryan Murphy is not writing the 491 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: best of his life in the American horror story franchise, 492 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: Like no, but I think it's a good place for 493 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: her to start out because look at look at Sarah Paulson. 494 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: You know, I think it would be I think it 495 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: would be a good chance for people to be like, oh, yeah, 496 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: she actually is a good actress. It would be a 497 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: good starting vehicle for the next phase of her career. Yes, 498 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: and then she makes the next bird Box, like Megan 499 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: Fox would make the next bird Box, you know what 500 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: I mean, like the next viral bad thriller. Yeah, totally, 501 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: Like she needs to be in the next thing that 502 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: is unavoidable, and so everyone in the world remembers who 503 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: she is. Yeah, eat ship, Michael Bay. This is actually 504 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: it should be said also that Amanda is another actress 505 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: that was like prestige before it was realized, you know 506 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: what I mean, like her MOMMYA era, or her like 507 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: Jennifer's Body era, like very camp but like no one 508 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: knew she could do something like the dropout, like you 509 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: know what, well, I mean, if Megan Fox hadn't been 510 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: black lusted, she might have a very similar career to Amanda's. 511 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: You know, maybe would have leaned a little sexier. I 512 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, you know, not that Amanda hasn't 513 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: had her own trials and tribulations in Hollywood. You know, Uh, 514 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: she had those photos of her having sex with her 515 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: uh future husband leaked. And also I think if Olivia 516 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: Rodrigo is going to do this like send up of 517 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: of Jennifer's body and like reference her visually, like bring 518 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: her out at a concert, put her in video, she 519 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: should be in the music video. They kind of look alike, 520 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: like Olivia Rodrigo propping up Megan Fox in a new 521 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: era and also propping up Paramore and not propping up 522 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: stealing from Paramore and then making Paramore kind of relevant 523 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: again to some extent. Um. God, is Olivia Rodrigo just 524 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: like a cultural suit sayer, like she really like show 525 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: us what we want and need out of culture? Like God? 526 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's more that she has the 527 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: right people on her team who know where to pull 528 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: references from it. It's not like I think Olivia Rodrigo's 529 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: like she's making the mood boards herself. Yeah no, no, no, 530 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: have you listened to the new Paramore song. I'm obsessed 531 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: with it. It's very um. I mean, I was gonna 532 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: say different for Paramore, but it sounds a lot like, 533 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: you know, the last few albums that they released that 534 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: no one listened to. It's kind of like groovy indie sleeves. Um. 535 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,959 Speaker 1: Something I really like that they did is they just 536 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: revealed the track list to their new album by like 537 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: putting it in like secret writing on a T shirt 538 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,959 Speaker 1: that was sold, like for merch somewhere, and like it 539 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: was revealed what the the track list for the album is, 540 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: which I thought was cool. I love Paramore. It does 541 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: feel like the stars have aligned in this way where 542 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: we truly are just back where we were twenty years ago. 543 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: You know. It's like we're in the revival of India. 544 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: Slee's tumbler Hell is a teenage girl and j Lo 545 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: and bed Affleck are back together again. Yeah, and you know, 546 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: I'm I'm fresh off of my second puberty, Yeah, as 547 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: a woman this time, and I'm ready, more ready than 548 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: ever to embrace Jennifer's body. And Megan Fox. Yeah, Megan 549 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: Fox please. And Amanda Seyford who now has an Emmy. Yes, 550 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: she won the Emmy for for the Dropout. Oh thank god, 551 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: she was so good. I didn't even know that because 552 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: I didn't watch the Emmys. Yeah it was great. Wow. 553 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: And you still need to watch Mamma Mia. I mean, 554 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: do I need yes to watch fand Virgins Friends with 555 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: Me frand you need to watch one movie. This Thursday, 556 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: we will be back with a normal episode, our final 557 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: Halloween episode on vampires. Oh my god. It honestly you 558 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: would think that we would be done with vampires. But no, girls, 559 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: it's just getting started. Oh no, we are going to 560 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: This is a topic that will live forever. Yea truly, 561 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: so sharpen your steaks. But yeah, Thursday, we will be 562 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: talking all about all things vampires, mostly about how gay 563 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: they are, very gay. Thank you so much to producer 564 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: Phoebe for editing these bonus episodes. Thank you to our 565 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: team at my Heart, and thank you to all of 566 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: you virgins for listening. Make sure you connect with us, 567 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: follow our fin stuff like a Virgin for twenties sixty 568 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: nine and uh and then that's it. That's all, Okay, 569 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: that's all.