1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that Uh, Chuck Norris was chasing the Tyrannosaurus Rex. 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 2: The rex was not chasing the jeep. Murray, Murray, you there. 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: You love sandwiches. Huh, Let's go to eighty. It was 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 2: bo wow that Prime time. Maybe I had a crush 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: on Betty Rubble. 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: I honestly, until after the segment ended and we went 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: to commercial break, had no idea that Jonathan Coachman was black. 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: He caught them the game last night, although they won 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 2: the game. You're listening to Stu Gottson Company. 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 3: Welcome man to Stu Gatson Company. We're talking to Jermaine O'Neill, 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 3: NBA legend. Jermaine O'Neill played in Miami for a year 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 3: and a half, so I got to interview him a 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 3: few times. One of the best talkers I think in 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 3: the history of the NBA, Jermade. I don't think I 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 3: ever told you that, but before we get started, because 16 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are going to figure out, Hey, 17 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: what's Jermaine doing these days? Talk to me about Dynamic 18 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: prep out in California or is it in Texas As? 19 00:00:58,600 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 4: In Texas? 20 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 2: Thanks excuse me. 21 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 3: And yeah, just your involvement there, because I know, we've 22 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 3: got a school here in South Florida. I know they 23 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 3: have one in California to a prolific prep and they've 24 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 3: got a lot of cool guys, great players coming out 25 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 3: of there. 26 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: But talk to me about Dynamic Prep. 27 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 4: So Dynamic Prep we started about four years ago. 28 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 5: We were trying to figure out how do we you know, 29 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 5: cut the cut down amount of time that the kids 30 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 5: are in school, but accelerated education and you know, give 31 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 5: them more time to develop their craft. And it was 32 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 5: really a true incubation at the time. It was about 33 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 5: you know, twelve kids. Thirteen kids, and my son god 34 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 5: Soon was a part of that process. So obviously I 35 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 5: was a hard sell for my wife to take them 36 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 5: out of public school to come, you know, them involved 37 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 5: in incubation situation. But overall, you know, it allowed us 38 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 5: to really focus on core woraking courses, allow our players 39 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 5: to develop their their mind, body, and soul, be a 40 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 5: little bit more unique when it came to how we 41 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 5: presented our day to day and not just give them 42 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 5: things that's not really transferable to you know, the rest 43 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 5: of life, in particular for athletes. The next chapter, so 44 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 5: you know, it's whether it's you know, film study, whether 45 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 5: it's strength and conditioning, whether it's individual skill work, whether 46 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 5: it's you know, team practices, whether it's team bonding. Right, 47 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 5: I think called fellows for fridays that we do and 48 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 5: that mental maintenance that we've been able to put into 49 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 5: this system, and it's allowed us, you know, in just 50 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 5: three years and not including this year's class, we've had 51 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 5: twenty four individual and athletes and its incubation and we 52 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 5: just opened up for our middle school with our partner's 53 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 5: Texas Sports Academy. 54 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 4: So really really excited. 55 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 5: About what we're doing, how we're impacting our community with 56 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 5: both our young men and young women. 57 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: Why is this important to you? Why is this something 58 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: you wanted to get involved in? 59 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 4: Ooh, that's a loaded question. 60 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 5: I think one thing that a lot of people don't 61 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 5: know about me, I didn't meet my dad, So I was, 62 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 5: you know, thirty years as a matter of fact, when 63 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 5: I first met my dad, I was in planning for Miami. 64 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 5: I was thirteen years into my NBA career. Really struggled 65 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 5: throughout my life with this, uh, this thing called abandonment 66 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 5: and never really felt as value as I needed. H 67 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 5: As I grew older, you know, I was able to 68 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 5: learn how to you know, to navigate through that process 69 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 5: and and make sure that I was able to still 70 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 5: do my job. But when I retired, I just wanted 71 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 5: to go, you know and give back to kids. 72 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 4: And I built a big, big club. 73 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 5: Uh on the side of I did a partnership with 74 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 5: DFW Airport almost one hundred thousand square foot building, and 75 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 5: we had over two thousand kids in the business. We've 76 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 5: got guys like Kay Cunningham, Tarrees, MAXI Drew, Timmy, Ronald 77 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 5: Holland's Kyante, George, Jordan Walsh, all those kids trade uh, 78 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 5: Liam McNeely, Trey Johnson. I mean, we had those kids 79 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 5: in like, you know, six seventh grade, right, and so 80 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 5: they able to have a real impact here in the Metroplex. 81 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 5: But I felt like I needed to go a little 82 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 5: bit further. 83 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 4: Right. 84 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 5: Club club sports is you know, two or three days 85 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 5: a week and then they go back to you know, 86 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 5: you know, the schools and the environments and the one 87 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 5: thing about school, you know, you having five days a 88 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 5: week with ten months out of the year. So the 89 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 5: bigger impact was in school and being able to create 90 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 5: something unique that really you know, give these our community 91 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 5: and these kids an opportunity to be even better at 92 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 5: what they do was something that I really wanted to 93 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 5: dig deeper. And so part of that abandonment of being 94 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 5: able to understand, you know, some of my struggles that 95 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 5: I went through personally, and being able to give those 96 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 5: same stories, whether it's you know, suburban America, middle class America, 97 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 5: any city in America and help those kids, you know, 98 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 5: get to college. 99 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 3: Joe just on that same sort of subject of like 100 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 3: abandonment and struggle. Didn't realize that necessarily, but now thinking 101 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: of it in connection to the fallout from the Malice 102 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 3: in the Palace where you were sort of or your players, 103 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: you and the other players were sort of blamed or 104 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 3: sort of outcasted for it. And did you feel a 105 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: sense of abandonment there, because I've heard you talk about 106 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 3: losing love for the game from then on out, which 107 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 3: I felt like was you know, a severe reaction and 108 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: very you know, strong statement there. But I'm just curious 109 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 3: about sort of the abandonment element of it. Did you 110 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: have sort of feelings similar to that. 111 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,679 Speaker 4: That's a very very loaded question. 112 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: Deep. Huh what deep? 113 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a it's a deep question. 114 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 5: You know, when you come into the NBA at seventeen 115 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 5: and you're already dealing with these these very things and 116 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 5: having to go through four years of of just grinding 117 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 5: it out and trying to show your value. And shout 118 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 5: out to the Portland Trailblazer and a great lady, Paul Allen, 119 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 5: who took a chance on the seventeen year old kid 120 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 5: that just physically wasn't ready had the talent, but we're 121 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 5: really patient with h And shout out to the city 122 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 5: of Portland, State of Oregon that really took me on 123 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 5: as a second child and was patient with my development. 124 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 5: But yet you still having to approve yourself right and 125 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 5: so being able to go through that process in Portland 126 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 5: and then get an opportunity to go to Indie and 127 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 5: show that worth and really starting to really figure out 128 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 5: you know what that what that love of of of 129 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 5: what you do and how people appreciate you. That was 130 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 5: a big thing for me. Tho was the big moments. 131 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 5: And then you know, then come to brawl, right, you know, 132 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 5: obviously you know we were we were built to win. 133 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 5: I will say this, you know, you don't really know 134 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 5: what You don't know until you know it, until you 135 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 5: actually in the fire. It's always easy to examine things, 136 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 5: you know, when you are you're watching it right, And 137 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 5: obviously narrative is one thing that is controlled a lot, 138 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 5: you know in a situations, in particular situation like that, 139 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 5: and also to you know, the word leadership, right, which 140 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,239 Speaker 5: is something that I really I really valued, really valued. 141 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 4: And when you're in a. 142 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 5: Situation right like that where you know you hear leadership 143 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 5: is typically on the playing surfaces or in the corporate office. 144 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 5: But when you're in a situation where it's just you 145 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 5: and your teammates and the situation, an unfortunate situation for 146 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 5: everybody is happening in real time and it's people that's 147 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 5: trying to actually hurt you, you have to make the 148 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 5: best decision that you can make as a leader, right. 149 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 5: A lot of people don't even realize. And I you know, 150 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 5: I've always every time I speak about this, I'm like, 151 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 5: this is my last time talking about this. 152 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: The story that never ends. 153 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 4: Man. 154 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 5: Yes, but it's one of those things where a lot 155 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 5: of people don't realize. The guy that I actually hit 156 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 5: was two things. It's a guy that actually was on 157 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 5: my back that people never sing. 158 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 4: Right. 159 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 5: We went to court and I got reinstated. You know, 160 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 5: they had to show everything. So the guy actually jumped 161 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 5: on my back, wrapped this on around my neck, and 162 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 5: I ended up throwing him on the scores table. And 163 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 5: I happened to look to my left and the very 164 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 5: guy that I hit was the very guy I was 165 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 5: on top of, Anthony Johnson that had a broken wrist. Right, 166 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 5: So all you see is me running over the slide 167 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 5: and hitting somebody, but you don't really see all the 168 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 5: people on the court, right, And so that part I 169 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 5: made a decision to do what I did for the 170 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 5: safety of my teammates. Right obviously, Stack you know, Steven 171 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 5: Jackson went in to protect Ron, and I know whatever 172 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 5: reason Ron decided to go in, you know, that's what 173 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 5: they decided to do in that moment. But for me 174 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 5: in particular, I got a vouch for myself in this 175 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 5: situation because ultimately, I feel like I'm one of the 176 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 5: ones that that paid, you know, paid paid the deepest 177 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 5: price you know for it. And I did feel like 178 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 5: I was abandoned in that situation, right, But it was 179 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 5: a great learning, learning experience for me that I can 180 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 5: actually use and and give back to, you know, my 181 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 5: community and these young men and young women. 182 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: One quick question on that just to try to lighten 183 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: it up, and we'll move away from the mouse and 184 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: the palace. But when I think back to that, the 185 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: funniest thing from that, if there was anything funny, it. 186 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: Was Jamal Tinsley with a mop. What the fuck was 187 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: he doing? 188 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 4: Your mane? 189 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, listen. 190 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 4: I'm telling you guys. 191 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 5: If you guys, so I have all the Row footage, 192 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 5: by the way, Wow, that's how the deal, That's how 193 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 5: the Netflix mounts and the Palace got done. 194 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 4: Uh. 195 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 5: The when you were in that situation, man, and it's 196 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 5: hard to father, like you show up to the basketball 197 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 5: game and you show up in Detroit, by the way, uh, 198 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 5: in the twenty thousand seed arena. 199 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 6: Uh. 200 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 5: And obviously back then it was you know, everything was tense, right, 201 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 5: it was real rivalries and guys, you know, whether we 202 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 5: were friends or not, you know, we didn't like each 203 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 5: other on the court, right, we'll go have a stake afterwards, 204 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 5: but you know, but on the court it was about 205 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 5: it was mono mono, and. 206 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 4: And the fans took on to that temperament, right. 207 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 5: And so being in a situation like that, you know, 208 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 5: you almost had to protect yourself and for NBA you 209 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 5: got to think, but think about the depth of this, right. Yeah, 210 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 5: you have the NBA player in a uniform who went 211 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 5: and got a mop think about just think about that, right, 212 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 5: So I had to go run and get a mop 213 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 5: a stick and act like you're going to hit people. 214 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 5: You can imagine the depth of people that were allowed 215 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 5: to enter the plane. 216 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: Surface crazy, Yeah, and the it took over. Yeah as 217 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: a player, that's why you grabbed them off, right. 218 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 3: I was just thinking of it in terms of like 219 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 3: if it were to happen today, players would be even 220 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: more frightened because of things that have happened over the 221 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 3: year since then. 222 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: And it's just like I would just. 223 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 3: Be backing the heck out of there because you don't 224 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 3: know what's going to happen. 225 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: But obviously you got to protect yourself. 226 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 4: Well also too. 227 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's important to know as we end 228 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 5: this topic, is that. 229 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 4: The excess were blocked. That's right. 230 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 5: So exites were blocked by fans, right, so we can 231 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 5: get out right, And so you know, I wish it 232 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 5: was a very unfortunate deal. Obviously it was on the nation, 233 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 5: it was a national televised game. You know, it's something 234 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 5: that you wish that just didn't happen. I am a 235 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 5: I love playing basketball. 236 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 4: Right. That was a place where. 237 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 5: I can go and be free of any mental emotional 238 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 5: deficiencies that I had. It was a safe place for me, 239 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 5: even when I'm struggling in other areas. Right, And so 240 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 5: you get an opportunity to go show your craft and 241 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 5: be considered one of the best in the world. Boy, 242 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 5: that's amazing feeling. Then to have that to lose that feeling, 243 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 5: it was a tough one for me. 244 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: Mike, Yeah, you loved how Jermaine O. Neill announced that 245 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 2: we are doube with this topic. Right, we are moving on. 246 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: This is one of the all time great shop blockers 247 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: in the NBA, and he's blocking us for any further 248 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: questions with good reasons. 249 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 5: Speaking of that, how do I always wonder I'm never 250 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 5: I averaged two and a half I think two plus 251 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 5: two and some change blocks for almost eleven straight years 252 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 5: and now made an All defensive team, led the league 253 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 5: in total blocks, and never made one of the all 254 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 5: defensive teams. 255 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 2: You're right, I'm looking at that right now. That's insane. 256 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 2: Not making all defensive team. 257 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 4: And that's more than Ben Wallace did in his right, Yes. 258 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: But me calling you one of the game's greatest shop 259 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: blockers of all time has to make up for that, right. 260 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you got the still got stamp of approval. 261 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 4: That made me feel really good. 262 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: I'm here for you, man, stick outs here. 263 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 6: I want to know why betting the Winter Games on 264 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 6: FanDuel makes sense. 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So I was appreciative of watching 310 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 5: that obviously. You know, as players, we become fans of 311 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 5: different things amongst other players, you know, because that's what 312 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 5: makes our league unique and any other professional league unique, 313 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 5: is when you can evaluate and appreciate, you know, what 314 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 5: your peers are doing, and it's really motivational to be 315 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 5: to be quite honest. 316 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, when you think about today's game, because everybody seems 317 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 3: to be trying to fix to day's game all of 318 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 3: a sudden, right, do you see a problem because you 319 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: mentioned Duwayne's preparation stuff, do you see a problem with 320 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 3: guys just not playing enough? 321 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 5: What was really strange to me, honestly, is they have 322 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 5: more rest days than any era has ever had. They're 323 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 5: not practicing as much, they don't play as many back 324 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 5: to backs, they don't play any four and five nights. Right, 325 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 5: yet they are they are more damaged than ever right. 326 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 5: They have you know, more Achilles more, you know, uh, 327 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 5: cash strains more, you know the strains in general. And 328 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 5: it's it's it's interesting to see that happen. I'm not 329 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 5: sure you know what the NBA needs to do. I 330 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 5: think they probably need to go back, you know, to 331 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 5: a little bit more practicing, because I think they're choosing 332 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 5: rest over actually, you know, physical preparation. I went to 333 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 5: the finals. I went to the conference, the conference finals 334 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 5: and against an India with against me your knicks, and 335 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 5: then I went to the NBA Finals obviously as well. 336 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 5: And the first thing that jumped out to me in 337 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 5: the Conference finals was the pace. Right, they are flying 338 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 5: up and down the court. Now, I mean not guard 339 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 5: they are, but they are flying right, And so that 340 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 5: jumped out to me, and I was like, oh, I 341 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 5: get it now, right, But in order to fly at 342 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 5: that pace up and down the court, your body has 343 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 5: to be conditioned to that pace, right, And so now 344 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 5: you're having to limit guys you know, in practices, you know, 345 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 5: and it doesn't equate to you know, to you know, 346 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 5: guys being healthy enough to sustain throughout the I mean, 347 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 5: our best players are all hurt, right, and so you know, 348 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 5: as a fan, like when you're spending that whatever, that 349 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 5: three four, five hundred dollars for those tickets, you know 350 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 5: you want to In many cases it may be that 351 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 5: one time that you get a chance to go to 352 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 5: that arena to watch your favorite player and they're not playing. 353 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 5: That's I think that's what's you know, what's pissing you know, 354 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 5: fans off from perspective of like, you know, the audience. 355 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 5: And he talked about TV ratings and stuff like that. 356 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 5: But it was very pleasant to see winby tape the 357 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 5: throne on competing. 358 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: Right away, right, Yes, yes, he saved the All Star Game, 359 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: right did he? 360 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: He saved it? 361 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 5: I mean you see the disappointment in his face, you know, 362 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 5: every time they didn't win it, and he is he's 363 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 5: gonna be amazing ambassador for our game. 364 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 4: And he took. 365 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 5: He's been, he he made, he brought the He single 366 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 5: handly brought the the NB All Star Game back. 367 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: The thing that happens though, when you know this is 368 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: if he continues to go out and do that and 369 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: god forbid, gets hurt during the All Star game, Someone's 370 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: gonna say, why were you trying so hard during an 371 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: exhibition game? 372 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 5: He one time, I was like, oh, no, right, we 373 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 5: want we want the guys to compete. And it's interesting 374 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 5: because I remember playing an All Star game and we 375 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 5: had this this this un written rule. Right, we would 376 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 5: get warm in the first part of the game, right, 377 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 5: and we will we'll put well, we have a lot 378 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 5: of showmanship in the first part, and then what we 379 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 5: would do after that we knew third and fourth quarter 380 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 5: we would turn the VALLU month right, Yeah, and knew 381 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 5: that like every player that was in that game and 382 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 5: those games knew that, and so I get it. You know, 383 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 5: some guys and back then we used to play right 384 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 5: up into the All Star game. We may have a 385 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 5: game on that Thursday and then got to fly out 386 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 5: that Friday to go to the All Star weekend. Right, 387 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 5: So it was it was one of those things where 388 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 5: you know, some guys are a little bit beat up 389 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 5: and tired. 390 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 4: So it was unique. 391 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 5: But we really respected the opportunity to showcase our talents, 392 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 5: as you know, being considered you know, the best in 393 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 5: the world, amongst you know, amongst each other, and being 394 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 5: able to go out there and give the fans what 395 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 5: they expect to see. 396 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 3: Jae, we were having a pretty heated argument and we 397 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 3: were doing our radio show the other day. I was 398 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 3: just saying that there's no chance that Dan Marino would 399 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 3: trade his career sam Darnold's just because Sam Darnold's got 400 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 3: the rig. Okay, So I'm curious what leveled his curiosity. Yes, 401 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 3: So the first name that came to mind when I said, 402 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 3: would your manuel trade his career with current player so far? 403 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: Alex Caruso. 404 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 3: He's got two, right, He's got two rigs, one with 405 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 3: the Lakers, one with the Thunder not really close to 406 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 3: an All Star game, and kind of considered, what just 407 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 3: a defensive role player, but you know, key piece, but 408 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 3: a defensive role player. 409 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: Would you trade careers with Alex Caruso. 410 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 4: For the rings? Wow? First of all, shout out to Alex. 411 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 5: He's been he's been a he's been an amazing glue piece, 412 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 5: you know, for his teams and really any team that 413 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 5: he's played on. To be honest, but I'm gonna be honest, man, 414 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 5: Like every situation every every situation is a different situation. 415 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 4: And I think for players and in particularly for myself, when. 416 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 5: You go through everything that you went through, you know 417 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 5: as a player and and you know personally and also professionally, 418 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 5: the gratification of things that you wou it is really 419 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 5: really important. 420 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 4: Right. 421 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 5: Obviously, we wake up every day to try to go 422 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 5: compete for a championship, and in many cases everything has 423 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 5: to be right to get it right. For me personally, 424 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 5: I wouldn't give away the things that I've done for 425 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 5: a championship because I knew how hard it was to 426 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 5: achieve those things right, whatever it was that I you know, 427 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 5: I personally achieved. So it's like this thing, like it's 428 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 5: a really delicate question to be honest. 429 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I. 430 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 4: Wish you know, like I watch it every year. 431 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 5: I watched the clinching games every single year, and it's 432 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 5: like I see the emotions of people's like the tears 433 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 5: and the family hung like I desired. I still desire 434 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 5: that feeling, right, like I got years left in my 435 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 5: li which I don't. But so I would say that 436 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 5: the super long winded way of just saying I would, 437 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 5: I personally would. 438 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: Kidding, well, no, no, no, that's that's if you're asking, 439 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: would you rather be a glue guy rather than be 440 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: the innate All Star that he was? And so maybe 441 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: that is like, I don't know, Ben Wallace, would you 442 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: take that? 443 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: No, I'm trying to think a guy closer to you in. 444 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: Talent, not that Ben was Horace grat I don't know, 445 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: just na have a power forward that has one ring. 446 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 2: Would you exchange your career for his career? 447 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 4: Still think? I still think no. 448 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 5: I think one of the biggest things is like having 449 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 5: to see it's a lot of sacrifices that you know, 450 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 5: that that that you you make in you know when 451 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 5: you're going through that process, and we're not even not 452 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 5: even to mention like all the time that you miss 453 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 5: with your family, right you here in some major events 454 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 5: in their lives. But I think everybody whatever whatever role 455 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 5: they have and whatever achievements, they have a level of 456 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 5: success in any league, but particular the NBA, that's well earned, right, And. 457 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 4: So I just I don't feel like we need to 458 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 4: slight anybody, right, you know, we just. 459 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 5: Like you like your story, Yes I did, I didn't 460 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 5: win it because we you know, we just didn't have 461 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 5: you know, the it to finish, right, you know, and 462 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 5: you have to have the it to finish. 463 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 4: You can get close to it. 464 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 5: But if that team and that situation held, it's a 465 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 5: lot of things are going to you know, winning the championship. 466 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 5: And I just wasn't I mean, I mean thinking about 467 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 5: when I was with Portland, I thought that at nineteen 468 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 5: years old, when you know, Brian, I think it was 469 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 5: Robert Orriy banked in the three Big Bob. Yeah, So 470 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 5: it was like this thing like you know or Sean Elliott, 471 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 5: you know in San Antonio we won. You know, he 472 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 5: doesn't drop his it's the best catch and shoot corner 473 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 5: three of all times. 474 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 2: Shadow it was amazing spaceline or a sideline. 475 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 5: Tip toad right, did not drop that heel right, things 476 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 5: like that right where it's hard to just kind of 477 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 5: take away somebody else. Thats Sean for your for your benefit. 478 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 4: So I personally. 479 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 2: Wouldn't totally fair. 480 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: How do you feel you clearly care about the game. Still, 481 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: you're a fan of the NBA. What do you make 482 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: of tanking and do you think what would be your 483 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: solution for tanking? 484 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 5: Here's here's what the here's what these teams need to do, right, 485 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 5: I think the NBA has gotten away from remember coming 486 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 5: in like I was seventeen years old, coming into the NBA, 487 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 5: I came into an organization that was prepared, right. I 488 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 5: don't think it's enough conversation about what organizations. 489 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 4: Are doing or not doing. Right. 490 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 5: The Portland Trail Blazers were prepared for a seventeen year old, right. 491 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 5: They had veteran leadership that allowed me to grow and mature. 492 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 5: It's like baking a cake, right, putting the ingredients in 493 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 5: year over year until you get to a point where 494 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 5: you're ready to put in the oven. Let it go 495 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 5: and be you know, be a fine edit, you know, 496 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 5: find you know cake that you desire. I think that teams, 497 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 5: because of the cat rules, have gotten away from the 498 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 5: veteran leadership. The veterans are now becoming more expensive, right 499 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 5: for teams, right, And so when you have the young 500 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 5: leading the young, or the blind leading the blind, you 501 00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 5: get you get. 502 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 4: The consistent losing seasons, right. 503 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 5: And so the teams that actually get it right are 504 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 5: the ones, you know, I thought, you know, the OKC 505 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 5: thunder right, they always always had better in leadership on 506 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 5: you know, on your team. Obviously they've done a great 507 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 5: job on you know the trays and their draft picks 508 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 5: and stuff like that. But at least having somebody like 509 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 5: the Adonna's Haslam's right, who's you know who really made 510 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 5: the second chapter of his career almost like a second 511 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 5: coach right where you know he was able to bring 512 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 5: that championship pedigree and and just that better in leadership 513 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 5: and keeping keeping young players accountable. And if they do 514 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 5: more of that, the teams wouldn't have to tank, right 515 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 5: because they'd be more competitive. But I don't know if 516 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 5: it's a way around tanking, because right now, with so 517 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 5: many players being out with injury, you know they're gonna, 518 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 5: you know, they're going to just say that guys are hurt, right, 519 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 5: And so you know, if we want to if we 520 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 5: want to keep the game healthy and competitive and give 521 00:24:55,480 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 5: back to the rivalry conference games right where teams really 522 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 5: competed at all times, we have to add more. Hell 523 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 5: just take just take the just take the veteran player 524 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 5: salary off the cap and just add it as a 525 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 5: coaching salary. 526 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 4: A good idea, So, and I. 527 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 5: Think that'll really help develop our young super talented players 528 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 5: and give them an opportunity to learn from older people 529 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 5: that's been around. 530 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: It love that. 531 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, Jail, since you've been involved with Dynamic Prep, I'm 532 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 3: assuming you still have an eye on collegiate players or 533 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 3: draft eligible players. Right, you were part of arguably I 534 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 3: don't even think it's arguable the best draft class in history. Uh. 535 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 3: In case you guys don't remember, Stu, go ahead, Jail. 536 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, saying number one. 537 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: In case you don't remember, Alan Iverson, Marcus can Be, 538 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 3: Sharif from Derberheemest Faon, Marbury, Ray Allen, and Twine Walker. 539 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: I'm just going highlights here. 540 00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 3: Carrie Kittles, Uh, Kobe Pajia, Steve naw and then you 541 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 3: get to Jermaine O'Neil. 542 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 2: Okay, So to Kobe, I mean absolutely insane. 543 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 3: Now, however, this draft class is supposed to be very 544 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 3: top heavy as well, at least the top four getting. 545 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 2: A lot of praise. But please, Joe, are you with 546 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 2: me here that Darren Peterson? 547 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 3: They need to stop with the Kobe comparisons because that's 548 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 3: a little crazy right now. 549 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a little early. 550 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 5: And I will say this, so that class is my 551 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 5: son's class, the twenty five class. So I've been coaching 552 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 5: that class against that class since seventh grade. 553 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 4: So I'm very familiar. 554 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 5: Even Cooper Flag is really the twenty five class right classifying, 555 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 5: so I've had a chance to look at these kids 556 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 5: and see these kids, you know, in depth, super talented class. Right, 557 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 5: It's gonna go down as one of the best draft 558 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 5: classes if they all continue to develop, and they have 559 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 5: all developed over the over the previous years. But I 560 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 5: think it's kind of you know, the Darren is a 561 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 5: to me. I thought he was a top two player 562 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 5: last year and that was tough to say coming out 563 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 5: of high school because it was a very loaded class 564 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 5: with you know, with the boozer Cameron and obviously a 565 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 5: j and you know, co Opede, and I mean you 566 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 5: just keep going on, you know. But Kobe is a 567 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 5: different monster, right, And I think, but this, this is 568 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 5: kind of a strange thing that's happening right now, is 569 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 5: he's not he's not playing like he's He's coming in 570 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 5: and out so much that now people are starting to 571 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 5: question it. 572 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 4: And he's too good of a talent to allow that 573 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 4: to happen. 574 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 5: If you're going to compare him to Kobe from ability standpoint, 575 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 5: you also got to compare the mental and the mentality 576 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 5: as well. That's what made Kobe who he was. He 577 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 5: just had a different level of mentality. 578 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 4: Uh. And I had a. 579 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 5: Chance since thirteen to you know, because me and Kobe 580 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 5: is in the same class graduation class. Uh. And I 581 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 5: think that part is it's a tough comparison for me 582 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 5: when I hear that, because I've watched him. You know, 583 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 5: what he went through his entire career basically, and what 584 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 5: and how he approached the game. So I think Darren 585 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 5: is going to be an amazing, elite level talent. But 586 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 5: I think it's a little too early to compare those two. 587 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: Jermaine, will let you go here in just a second 588 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: and have you promote the Prep Academy one more time 589 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: on the way out. 590 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: But two quick ones for me here. The guy who 591 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 2: talked the most shit. 592 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: To you when you were playing in the NBA. 593 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 2: Uh oh wow, just a trash talker. 594 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 5: She maybe she yeah, maybe maybe she once, because you know, 595 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 5: I always kind of reminded she like after after the 596 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 5: first two years, you know, I think it was a 597 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 5: little bit of a change in the guard and I 598 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 5: decided to get better and stronger, and so when I left, 599 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 5: it was always this thing where he was always kind 600 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 5: of saying the kid all the time, right, and so 601 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,239 Speaker 5: we have this back and forth thing with a lot 602 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 5: of respect amongst each other. But I don't know if 603 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 5: players it was just I don't know. It's just like 604 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 5: the physicality back then, which is different. Like we kind 605 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 5: of talked through right our actual play. Yes, and so 606 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 5: as far as going back and forth, the only person 607 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 5: I know that you know, just watching talked. 608 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 4: All the time was Gary Payton of course Michael Jordan. 609 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 4: So I wasn't. I was able to say a bunch 610 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 4: of different. 611 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, those are the two guys that I thought talked 612 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 5: the most trash for the most part. 613 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: So Jordan, the one guy where his game could do 614 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: all the talking. Still talk trash, right, and nobody ever 615 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: questioned it? 616 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 2: How good you different? 617 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 4: Okay, you got it? 618 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: Speaking of Jordan, this is a crazy question. We play 619 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: a game around here called Shop for your Life. So, uh, 620 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: you need to hit a three pointer. Your life depends 621 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: on this, and you have two choices. Okay, it's dramatic. 622 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: I understand that nothing should be should mean as much 623 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: where it will. 624 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,479 Speaker 2: Cost you your life, but here are your two choices. 625 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: You need to hit the three Okay, Steph Curry, Michael 626 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: Jordan's can it. 627 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 2: Be along to at least make it difficult. So he's 628 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: gonna say Steph Curry, and I would choose Michael Jordan. 629 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's gonna care about my life in a way 630 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: that Steph Curry would. 631 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 2: It because he just cares about winning, that's all. 632 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. But I mean you are correct on that. But 633 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 4: I'm gonna go. 634 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 2: Steph because percentages. 635 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 4: And just percentages, right, And I'm gonna just I'm gonna 636 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 4: say this though. 637 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 5: Right, the first thing that I remember my last you 638 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 5: NBA and the first I walked in the gym, Steph 639 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 5: was on a practice court and he shoots one hundred 640 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 5: threes a day. Right, Well, I practice right in the beginning. 641 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 5: If it hit the rim, it didn't count. So I'm 642 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 5: taking Steph. Yeah, so that's conditioned. 643 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 3: You know, did you see gots the shot that he 644 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 3: hit from the television booth during idea? 645 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 2: I did you see all the game win if Jordan hit? 646 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 4: All? 647 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 2: Right, let me try it this way real quickly. 648 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: We'll get you out here, Okay, Reggie Miller or Larry Bird, 649 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: who you going with? 650 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 4: This is crazy? I'm gonna go with my man, Reggie. 651 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 2: Oh Man, that's what. 652 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 8: Well, it's biased to it's it's a little bias as well. Yeah, spot, Yeah, 653 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 8: you know, I love again. I watched Reggie's preparation every day. Uh, 654 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 8: and favorite people in the world about it. 655 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 5: I'm gonna say both amazing, Uh, you know, competitors, But 656 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with Reggie. 657 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 3: You couldn't piss anybody off in Indiana with that either answer. 658 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 2: So you're great. No, it's the right answer for him, 659 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 2: it's just the wrong one for me. 660 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 3: Jo, Tell me who should we be looking out for 661 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 3: at Dynamic Prep this year. 662 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 2: Who's who's coming out and who's showing out? 663 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 4: Well, we have we have quite a few. 664 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 5: We have Austin Goosby, who's the top twenty kid in 665 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 5: the country. 666 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 4: McDonald's All American. 667 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 5: He's going to University of Texas, sixty six point guard. 668 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 5: Really can play, you know, four positions, can guard four positions. 669 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 5: Thecary Spear, who's going to Texas Tech. One of the 670 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 5: literally one of the best scoring guards that I've seen 671 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 5: in the high school divisions. Shocking that he's not a 672 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 5: McDonald's All American because he's a Tech. 673 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, Texas Tech. He's amazing. 674 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 5: We also have Marcus Spears junior and he is. He's 675 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 5: only a junior, but he's a number one junior in 676 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 5: the country. He has the same footprint as a Cooper Flag. 677 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, he is. He is. He's a kid that's made big, 678 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 4: big jumps every year. 679 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 5: Shout out to his mom and his dad for keeping 680 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 5: him grounded, making him understand where he stands today and 681 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 5: he needs to get to tomorrow, but not looking too 682 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 5: too much further in the future. 683 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 4: Uh. 684 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 5: And really collectively all of our I think, you know, 685 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 5: Dynamic Prep itself. You know, we played one hundred and 686 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 5: twenty four games and one hundred and ten of them 687 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 5: in four years, and this year you know beaten. You 688 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 5: know we've had the toughest schedule. We've played forty plus games. Uh. 689 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 5: And we just broke the all time overtime Elite record 690 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 5: with fourteen consecutive wins. We've only lost one. Is a 691 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 5: dynamic Prep. You know it was playing two leagues. We're 692 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 5: the best team in America. 693 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 4: I also have to shout out Texas Sports Academy. They 694 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 4: are my partner. Uh. 695 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 5: And on the prep side we are doing, we're being 696 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 5: very innovative with the AI learning. 697 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 4: We're expediating education in half the time. 698 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 2: Right, two hour, two hour school day? 699 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 4: Is that right? 700 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 2: Jumped off the page to me, my kind of school. 701 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, we're going to take Texas by storm. Uh, not 702 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 5: by just what we say, but also about what we do. 703 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 5: And we're looking forward to doing some amazing things in 704 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 5: the space and being a being a community leader and 705 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 5: a leader in in in the space of education and sports. 706 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 3: Jay, thanks for taking the time with us, Thanks for 707 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 3: just listening and answering every question. 708 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 2: And doing great work doing the great work that you're 709 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 2: doing right now. 710 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 4: Thank you, Yes, anytime, fellas, I enjoy it.