WEBVTT - CALL CAROLINE: Alysa Vanderheym Talks About Being Vulnerable as a Songwriter

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<v Speaker 1>Carl Lone. She's a queen and talking song.

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<v Speaker 2>She's getting not afraid to favorite episode, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Just let it flow. No one can do we quiet

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<v Speaker 1>car lond is sound for Carol. I am so excited

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<v Speaker 1>to be back with Alisa vander Him. Y'all heard her

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<v Speaker 1>episode on Monday. We talked all about the magic of

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<v Speaker 1>rolling up the Welcome Matt, which she co produces Kelsey

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<v Speaker 1>Fellerini and co wrote with her, and just how she

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<v Speaker 1>got into songwriting, the wave and ride of the magic

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<v Speaker 1>of songwriting, and your story is incredible. It's so fun

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to you. But now we have a bonus episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to answer some burning questions. So are you ready?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I'm sor ready, Cale.

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<v Speaker 3>I was wondering as a songwriter, you obviously work with

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of other songwriters and co writes and things.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you ever feel like someone has taken an idea

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<v Speaker 3>that you had and kind of jacked it and then

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<v Speaker 3>written a song that began as your idea in the

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<v Speaker 3>room together.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great.

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<v Speaker 4>Honestly, that's a concern I had all the time, Like

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<v Speaker 4>when I came.

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<v Speaker 1>Up really scared to share.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, scared to share, like wondering if someone would steal

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<v Speaker 4>my ideas. I don't really experience that.

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<v Speaker 1>You do you feel like anyone ever saw your ideas?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>So are you scared to share? Now? No, you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always like, yeah, when people like put little clips

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<v Speaker 1>on like TikTok or Instagram of a song they've just written,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what if someone hears that and then they just

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<v Speaker 1>go write a song really fast too with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Whole thing, but like, what are the chances is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a hit?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And you know yours?

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<v Speaker 2>Well what I mean, Well, I'm just saying sorry, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>People are pretty like respectful in town, you think, I think,

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<v Speaker 4>but like I guess you ever know?

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so you don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't really worry about But I'm also like not

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<v Speaker 4>on social media like exposing my ideas a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, do you have? Do you keep them close

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<v Speaker 1>to your vest until they're ready to come out? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>But also like a lot of my ideas start as

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<v Speaker 4>like tracks or like vibes instead of like concepts sometimes, so.

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<v Speaker 1>You are such a vibe Cen.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been calling me the groove messuse lately.

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<v Speaker 1>The groove messus. That's the best thing. Can you please

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<v Speaker 1>get a little hashtag or like get a little tidal

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<v Speaker 1>You should put that on your Instagram, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Producer tag, like at the beginning of your song, groovesuit.

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<v Speaker 1>The groove messuits like I'm bringing the grooves? What is

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<v Speaker 1>that voice sound trying to be cool? I'm so not cool?

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're so cool. I feel like you and Kelsey

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<v Speaker 1>are so cool. Like y'all's whole group is so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Y'all just talk cool, you are cool, you dress cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know you just like some people just know

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<v Speaker 1>how to be cool. Like you're just cool. You're just happy,

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<v Speaker 1>just happy. Here's haavy. You're happy to be here, happy

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<v Speaker 1>to be here to the group mesuse. Okay, so you're

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<v Speaker 1>not real worried about people infringing on ideas, don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I personally, But that was a concern I had all

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<v Speaker 4>the time starting out.

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<v Speaker 1>So I do have you kind of just like go

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<v Speaker 1>of all your anxiety now like things.

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<v Speaker 4>That's kind of a still re line of like the

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<v Speaker 4>anxiety from last year.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, eh, everyone listening on the podcast, Alisa

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<v Speaker 1>was saying how she had some anxiety just from being

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<v Speaker 1>so deeply vulnerable with rolling up the welcome att like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of really it was beautiful, but like because of it, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It created slightly crippling.

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<v Speaker 1>Grippling, but like once you get through that, maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>actually a freedom to be like, well I made it

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<v Speaker 1>through that. Yeah, I guess I can make it through anything,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't have to worry about all the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that I worried about.

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<v Speaker 4>And it kind of like bled into other areas of

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<v Speaker 4>my life too, like even like eating a cheeseburger, like for.

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<v Speaker 2>Too many days in a row.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I don't really care, like I know, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>shouldn't do this, but like I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Not gonna stress that.

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<v Speaker 2>Power it out, like I'll it'll work it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you used to stress out about that.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of or at least I would just be like

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<v Speaker 4>so like on my shit and I'm like, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>actually care, Like I'll be.

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<v Speaker 1>Fine now, you're just gonna flow.

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<v Speaker 4>People love me if I'm five pounds heavy or five

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<v Speaker 4>pounds later.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely. But you're so healthy. I was thinking you

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<v Speaker 1>were thinking about your body would be upset because your

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<v Speaker 1>body's so clean up here, because you grew up organic

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<v Speaker 1>my body's a tough or your body is a temple

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<v Speaker 1>when grew up with chiropractic parents and organic.

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<v Speaker 4>Essentially, so ironic because when we when I'm like doing

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<v Speaker 4>in the middle of a record, I've like picked up

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<v Speaker 4>the habit of like smoking a lot of cigarettes.

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<v Speaker 1>Does it just help you relieve all your energy?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's like it's for my brain. But it's like

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<v Speaker 4>I do it in phases like when only when I'm

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<v Speaker 4>like in the studio, like certain times.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that if you do something with full love

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<v Speaker 1>in your heart, it's not bad for you.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree. Fully, healthy circods are good for you if

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<v Speaker 2>you if.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like fully appreciating the cigarette, you're like, this cigarette

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<v Speaker 1>is calming me down. I mean, I am not promoting

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<v Speaker 1>smoking and and all the thing Alica is either, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's like follow your heart in a moment and time

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<v Speaker 1>when you're using it, just to like be creative, intentional,

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<v Speaker 1>be intentional. Maybe it's not bad life short Yeah, cheeseburger

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<v Speaker 1>smoked sig. Yeah, children don't do that. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're writing an album. Yeah, Okay, we have another question.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously this project was very healing and personal for Kelsey.

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<v Speaker 2>Was there ever any thought about how it would affect

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<v Speaker 2>her ex.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, there was honestly, like she got a lot in

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<v Speaker 4>a backlash for like not feeling like she didn't like

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<v Speaker 4>consider him or something. But like firsthand we were in

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<v Speaker 4>the studio, she was very adamant about like being intentional

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<v Speaker 4>with not being overly hurtful.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, Yeah, so that was a top priority for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>Because she knew she knew it was how it was

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<v Speaker 4>gonna affect him and like people would feel and everything

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<v Speaker 4>like that, Like she didn't hate him at all, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it was not like a hate thing. It was definitely

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<v Speaker 4>like there's a really fine line between like telling your

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<v Speaker 4>truth and then with all honesty and not holding back.

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<v Speaker 4>But then like that's probably gonna hurt someone. It's probably

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<v Speaker 4>gonna hurt your ex. We'll probably suck for him to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>That and for it to be out in the whole world.

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<v Speaker 4>Like there's not really a way to like make it

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<v Speaker 4>perfect so that they don't get hurt and that you

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<v Speaker 4>fully expose your truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like there's going to be a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>an overlap.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the choice that she had to make and

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<v Speaker 1>that you made with her to be like we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to go in as respectfully as.

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<v Speaker 2>Possible, as respectful as possible, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>While sharing the full truth of Kelsey's side.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I think Kelsey was also really like adamant

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<v Speaker 4>about owning responsibility when she when it was due.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, Like what do you mean like it was a

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<v Speaker 2>two way street.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, like it wasn't all his fault at times

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<v Speaker 4>she definitely had you know, parts and things, so like.

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<v Speaker 1>Very mature about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she wasn't. She wasn't blaming at all on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it just like the shoe doesn't say anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was definitely thought towards that, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Because that is a fine line because he's an artist

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<v Speaker 1>and he's a public figure.

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<v Speaker 2>And absolutely and a sweet guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, just ran its course. Did they ever communicate

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<v Speaker 1>after both of them released albums about each other or

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<v Speaker 1>was the album of the music did the talking? I

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<v Speaker 1>think yeah, they said all I need to say.

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<v Speaker 2>So hopefully one day.

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<v Speaker 4>They'll be able to like have a little combo, But

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<v Speaker 4>I for now, I think yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>They got all they needed from each other's songs about it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because he wrote some songs too, Yeah, for sure, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like Captain Morgan has something to say.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I just was thinking. Obviously, Kelsey's a super public figure.

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<v Speaker 5>She is the artist, so she has to think through

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<v Speaker 5>that lens. When she's putting out the music, everyone's going

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<v Speaker 5>to know who it's about. Whereas you're in like a songwriter,

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<v Speaker 5>are you just put bearing it all out there about

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<v Speaker 5>your exes and things, knowing that you're not going to

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<v Speaker 5>be the face of that song, Like when I'm just

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<v Speaker 5>writing in general. Yeah, when you're writing songs to with other.

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<v Speaker 4>Usually like my love life is just like inspiration. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not like writing directly directly about people. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>would say I can. I can can take a back seat,

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<v Speaker 4>like I can just like say whatever I want.

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<v Speaker 5>So you don't have exos reaching out being like I

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<v Speaker 5>saw that Blake Shelton Cup.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe you said that when we drove in

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<v Speaker 1>the car and I was writing Shotgun and you did

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<v Speaker 1>this and that in the middle that was me and

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<v Speaker 1>you said it in the songs.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thankfully I have other writers.

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<v Speaker 1>I can take the fall, so you kind of get

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<v Speaker 1>to hide out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, uh huh.

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<v Speaker 1>Except for with the Kelsey when it was a little

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<v Speaker 1>more exposed because it's just you two. But I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it was her divorce album.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but still and I was cove.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right there. I mean you're like, what do they say,

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<v Speaker 1>you're what is their song? If you go down, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going down with you. I mean you're going, y'all going down.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a team effort here, which is kind of awesome. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I love it so much. Thank you so much for joining.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for giving us a behind the scenes of

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<v Speaker 1>what it's like to be like the producer and co

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<v Speaker 1>writer and friend and like backboard of an artist who's

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<v Speaker 1>like writing something deeply personal. Like that's a really intimate,

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<v Speaker 1>important job that you play. You know, it's a very

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<v Speaker 1>special role. And I can see why you're the groove

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<v Speaker 1>messuse because you just ride the groove, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>just keep the vibe right, just keep the flow. I

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<v Speaker 1>see you groove of dudes. Like maybe a tattoo maybe

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<v Speaker 1>on your like Instagram handle, you know. Like, I'm just saying,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for joining. I have such a

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<v Speaker 1>great time going to Charleston. Yeah, going Charleston and writing

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<v Speaker 1>some more sunshine, a little beach some more some more

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<v Speaker 1>magical songs coming our way. Okay, anything, where can people

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<v Speaker 1>find you? Anything? We need to know, give us any details.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on Instagram. My handle is like my name Alisa Vanderheim.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is not confusing at all. It's not like a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit and it can be said another way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Alisa Vanderheim said, Yeah, that's about it. We'll tag you

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<v Speaker 1>in the show notes. Okay, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>joining