Speaker 1: Carl Lone. She's a queen and talking song.
Speaker 2: She's getting not afraid to favorite episode, so.
Speaker 1: Just let it flow. No one can do we quiet
Speaker 1: car lond is sound for Carol. I am so excited
Speaker 1: to be back with Alisa vander Him. Y'all heard her
Speaker 1: episode on Monday. We talked all about the magic of
Speaker 1: rolling up the Welcome Matt, which she co produces Kelsey
Speaker 1: Fellerini and co wrote with her, and just how she
Speaker 1: got into songwriting, the wave and ride of the magic
Speaker 1: of songwriting, and your story is incredible. It's so fun
Speaker 1: to talk to you. But now we have a bonus episode.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: We're going to answer some burning questions. So are you ready?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sor ready, Cale.
Speaker 3: I was wondering as a songwriter, you obviously work with
Speaker 3: a lot of other songwriters and co writes and things.
Speaker 3: Do you ever feel like someone has taken an idea
Speaker 3: that you had and kind of jacked it and then
Speaker 3: written a song that began as your idea in the
Speaker 3: room together.
Speaker 2: That's a great question.
Speaker 1: That's a great.
Speaker 4: Honestly, that's a concern I had all the time, Like
Speaker 4: when I came.
Speaker 1: Up really scared to share.
Speaker 4: Yeah, scared to share, like wondering if someone would steal
Speaker 4: my ideas. I don't really experience that.
Speaker 1: You do you feel like anyone ever saw your ideas?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: So are you scared to share? Now? No, you're not.
Speaker 1: I'm always like, yeah, when people like put little clips
Speaker 1: on like TikTok or Instagram of a song they've just written,
Speaker 1: Like what if someone hears that and then they just
Speaker 1: go write a song really fast too with that.
Speaker 2: Whole thing, but like, what are the chances is going
Speaker 2: to be a hit?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And you know yours?
Speaker 2: Well what I mean, Well, I'm just saying sorry, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 4: People are pretty like respectful in town, you think, I think,
Speaker 4: but like I guess you ever know?
Speaker 1: But yeah, so you don't worry about it.
Speaker 4: I don't really worry about But I'm also like not
Speaker 4: on social media like exposing my ideas a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, do you have? Do you keep them close
Speaker 1: to your vest until they're ready to come out? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: But also like a lot of my ideas start as
Speaker 4: like tracks or like vibes instead of like concepts sometimes, so.
Speaker 1: You are such a vibe Cen.
Speaker 2: They've been calling me the groove messuse lately.
Speaker 1: The groove messus. That's the best thing. Can you please
Speaker 1: get a little hashtag or like get a little tidal
Speaker 1: You should put that on your Instagram, the.
Speaker 2: Producer tag, like at the beginning of your song, groovesuit.
Speaker 1: The groove messuits like I'm bringing the grooves? What is
Speaker 1: that voice sound trying to be cool? I'm so not cool?
Speaker 1: Like you're so cool. I feel like you and Kelsey
Speaker 1: are so cool. Like y'all's whole group is so cool.
Speaker 1: Y'all just talk cool, you are cool, you dress cool.
Speaker 1: I don't know you just like some people just know
Speaker 1: how to be cool. Like you're just cool. You're just happy,
Speaker 1: just happy. Here's haavy. You're happy to be here, happy
Speaker 1: to be here to the group mesuse. Okay, so you're
Speaker 1: not real worried about people infringing on ideas, don't.
Speaker 4: I personally, But that was a concern I had all
Speaker 4: the time starting out.
Speaker 1: So I do have you kind of just like go
Speaker 1: of all your anxiety now like things.
Speaker 4: That's kind of a still re line of like the
Speaker 4: anxiety from last year.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, eh, everyone listening on the podcast, Alisa
Speaker 1: was saying how she had some anxiety just from being
Speaker 1: so deeply vulnerable with rolling up the welcome att like
Speaker 1: kind of really it was beautiful, but like because of it, yeah.
Speaker 2: It created slightly crippling.
Speaker 1: Grippling, but like once you get through that, maybe it's
Speaker 1: actually a freedom to be like, well I made it
Speaker 1: through that. Yeah, I guess I can make it through anything,
Speaker 1: and I don't have to worry about all the stuff
Speaker 1: that I worried about.
Speaker 4: And it kind of like bled into other areas of
Speaker 4: my life too, like even like eating a cheeseburger, like for.
Speaker 2: Too many days in a row.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't really care, like I know, I'm like,
Speaker 4: shouldn't do this, but like I'm.
Speaker 1: Not gonna stress that.
Speaker 2: Power it out, like I'll it'll work it out.
Speaker 1: Would you used to stress out about that.
Speaker 4: Kind of or at least I would just be like
Speaker 4: so like on my shit and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 4: actually care, Like I'll be.
Speaker 1: Fine now, you're just gonna flow.
Speaker 4: People love me if I'm five pounds heavy or five
Speaker 4: pounds later.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. But you're so healthy. I was thinking you
Speaker 1: were thinking about your body would be upset because your
Speaker 1: body's so clean up here, because you grew up organic
Speaker 1: my body's a tough or your body is a temple
Speaker 1: when grew up with chiropractic parents and organic.
Speaker 4: Essentially, so ironic because when we when I'm like doing
Speaker 4: in the middle of a record, I've like picked up
Speaker 4: the habit of like smoking a lot of cigarettes.
Speaker 1: Does it just help you relieve all your energy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like it's for my brain. But it's like
Speaker 4: I do it in phases like when only when I'm
Speaker 4: like in the studio, like certain times.
Speaker 1: I believe that if you do something with full love
Speaker 1: in your heart, it's not bad for you.
Speaker 2: I agree. Fully, healthy circods are good for you if
Speaker 2: you if.
Speaker 1: You're like fully appreciating the cigarette, you're like, this cigarette
Speaker 1: is calming me down. I mean, I am not promoting
Speaker 1: smoking and and all the thing Alica is either, but
Speaker 1: it's like follow your heart in a moment and time
Speaker 1: when you're using it, just to like be creative, intentional,
Speaker 1: be intentional. Maybe it's not bad life short Yeah, cheeseburger
Speaker 1: smoked sig. Yeah, children don't do that. But you know,
Speaker 1: when you're writing an album. Yeah, Okay, we have another question.
Speaker 2: So obviously this project was very healing and personal for Kelsey.
Speaker 2: Was there ever any thought about how it would affect
Speaker 2: her ex.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, there was honestly, like she got a lot in
Speaker 4: a backlash for like not feeling like she didn't like
Speaker 4: consider him or something. But like firsthand we were in
Speaker 4: the studio, she was very adamant about like being intentional
Speaker 4: with not being overly hurtful.
Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, so that was a top priority for sure.
Speaker 4: Because she knew she knew it was how it was
Speaker 4: gonna affect him and like people would feel and everything
Speaker 4: like that, Like she didn't hate him at all, you know,
Speaker 4: it was not like a hate thing. It was definitely
Speaker 4: like there's a really fine line between like telling your
Speaker 4: truth and then with all honesty and not holding back.
Speaker 4: But then like that's probably gonna hurt someone. It's probably
Speaker 4: gonna hurt your ex. We'll probably suck for him to hear.
Speaker 1: That and for it to be out in the whole world.
Speaker 4: Like there's not really a way to like make it
Speaker 4: perfect so that they don't get hurt and that you
Speaker 4: fully expose your truth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there's going to be a little bit of
Speaker 2: an overlap.
Speaker 1: So that's the choice that she had to make and
Speaker 1: that you made with her to be like we're going
Speaker 1: to go in as respectfully as.
Speaker 2: Possible, as respectful as possible, absolutely.
Speaker 1: While sharing the full truth of Kelsey's side.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think Kelsey was also really like adamant
Speaker 4: about owning responsibility when she when it was due.
Speaker 2: Too, Like what do you mean like it was a
Speaker 2: two way street.
Speaker 4: You know, like it wasn't all his fault at times
Speaker 4: she definitely had you know, parts and things, so like.
Speaker 1: Very mature about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she wasn't. She wasn't blaming at all on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just like the shoe doesn't say anymore.
Speaker 2: But there was definitely thought towards that, for sure.
Speaker 1: Because that is a fine line because he's an artist
Speaker 1: and he's a public figure.
Speaker 2: And absolutely and a sweet guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, just ran its course. Did they ever communicate
Speaker 1: after both of them released albums about each other or
Speaker 1: was the album of the music did the talking? I
Speaker 1: think yeah, they said all I need to say.
Speaker 2: So hopefully one day.
Speaker 4: They'll be able to like have a little combo, But
Speaker 4: I for now, I think yeah.
Speaker 1: They got all they needed from each other's songs about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he wrote some songs too, Yeah, for sure, I
Speaker 1: feel like Captain Morgan has something to say.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just was thinking. Obviously, Kelsey's a super public figure.
Speaker 5: She is the artist, so she has to think through
Speaker 5: that lens. When she's putting out the music, everyone's going
Speaker 5: to know who it's about. Whereas you're in like a songwriter,
Speaker 5: are you just put bearing it all out there about
Speaker 5: your exes and things, knowing that you're not going to
Speaker 5: be the face of that song, Like when I'm just
Speaker 5: writing in general. Yeah, when you're writing songs to with other.
Speaker 4: Usually like my love life is just like inspiration. I'm
Speaker 4: not like writing directly directly about people. But yeah, I
Speaker 4: would say I can. I can can take a back seat,
Speaker 4: like I can just like say whatever I want.
Speaker 5: So you don't have exos reaching out being like I
Speaker 5: saw that Blake Shelton Cup.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you said that when we drove in
Speaker 1: the car and I was writing Shotgun and you did
Speaker 1: this and that in the middle that was me and
Speaker 1: you said it in the songs.
Speaker 2: Well, thankfully I have other writers.
Speaker 1: I can take the fall, so you kind of get
Speaker 1: to hide out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, uh huh.
Speaker 1: Except for with the Kelsey when it was a little
Speaker 1: more exposed because it's just you two. But I mean
Speaker 1: it was her divorce album.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but still and I was cove.
Speaker 1: You're right there. I mean you're like, what do they say,
Speaker 1: you're what is their song? If you go down, I'm
Speaker 1: going down with you. I mean you're going, y'all going down.
Speaker 1: It's it's a team effort here, which is kind of awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it so much. Thank you so much for joining.
Speaker 1: Thank you for giving us a behind the scenes of
Speaker 1: what it's like to be like the producer and co
Speaker 1: writer and friend and like backboard of an artist who's
Speaker 1: like writing something deeply personal. Like that's a really intimate,
Speaker 1: important job that you play. You know, it's a very
Speaker 1: special role. And I can see why you're the groove
Speaker 1: messuse because you just ride the groove, you know, you
Speaker 1: just keep the vibe right, just keep the flow. I
Speaker 1: see you groove of dudes. Like maybe a tattoo maybe
Speaker 1: on your like Instagram handle, you know. Like, I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining. I have such a
Speaker 1: great time going to Charleston. Yeah, going Charleston and writing
Speaker 1: some more sunshine, a little beach some more some more
Speaker 1: magical songs coming our way. Okay, anything, where can people
Speaker 1: find you? Anything? We need to know, give us any details.
Speaker 2: I'm on Instagram. My handle is like my name Alisa Vanderheim.
Speaker 1: Which is not confusing at all. It's not like a
Speaker 1: little bit and it can be said another way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Alisa Vanderheim said, Yeah, that's about it. We'll tag you
Speaker 1: in the show notes. Okay, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining