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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Ken. You all right, welcome to the Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by on X. Today we

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Speaker 1: are celebrating, my friends. We are celebrating some very good

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Speaker 1: news when it comes to public land and wildlife conservation

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Speaker 1: and hunting and hiking and fishing and just about anything

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Speaker 1: else related to access to the outdoors in America, because

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Speaker 1: a new bill was introduced this week with bipartisan support,

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Speaker 1: called the Great American Outdoors Act, and it is accomplishing

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Speaker 1: several very important things that hunters and anglers and other

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Speaker 1: conservations have been working on for a long time. And

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Speaker 1: it seems knock on wood borrowing some kind of disaster

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Speaker 1: that there is support to pass this thing into law,

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Speaker 1: and this is all happening. It's all happening as far

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Speaker 1: as I can tell, at least, because you guys and

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of other folks across the country have

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Speaker 1: rallied around these causes of public lands and conservation and

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Speaker 1: wild places and made it just plain required, made it

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Speaker 1: necessary for politicians to start paying attention and to start

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Speaker 1: supporting this stuff. Uh, you know, I wrote in my

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Speaker 1: book That Wild Country. Right towards the end, I wrote

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Speaker 1: about the fact that, you know, while there are myriad

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Speaker 1: challenges to conservation and public lands, While these challenges and

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Speaker 1: these attacks are gonna keep coming forever and ever and ever,

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Speaker 1: history has also shown that when Americans come together, regardless

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Speaker 1: of other differences, when we come together, we can protect

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Speaker 1: these places and the animals we care about, and the resources.

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Speaker 1: And that's what's been going on these past few years.

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Speaker 1: It's exactly what I've hoped and prayed would be possible,

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Speaker 1: and it's happening. Cabella Shoppers and ari I Shoppers, Republicans

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Speaker 1: and Democrats, rural and urban folks are all setting aside

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Speaker 1: labels and team colors, and they're coming together to protect

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Speaker 1: our wild places and wild animals. And and I really

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Speaker 1: think that we are We're a part of something right now.

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Speaker 1: There's a moment that I think that what we're seeing

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Speaker 1: here today and over the last year two it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be written about some day in history books, just like

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Speaker 1: I wrote about stuff going on in the early nineteen

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Speaker 1: thirties and forties and then the nineteen sixties and seventies.

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Speaker 1: Someday people are gonna be writing about the late teens

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Speaker 1: challenges to these places and animals and our environment, and

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Speaker 1: how a bunch of people rallied around him and made

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Speaker 1: a big difference. That's happening right now, and I'm pumped.

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Speaker 1: I'm really I'm really proud, and I'm encouraged. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: about what this community is doing. So that is what

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about today with Lantani of back

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Speaker 1: Country Hunters and Anglers, who's been leading the charge on

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Speaker 1: a lot of these issues that we're gonna cover. So

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Speaker 1: that's the plan. Without much further ado, though, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: take a very quick break to thank our friends at

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Speaker 1: Lacrosse Boots, and then we will get right into it.

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Speaker 1: No pre MBS show today. I just want to talk

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Speaker 1: about this is very exciting to Altman. Now let's get

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Speaker 1: to chatting with land Tawny. All right, I'm excited now

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Speaker 1: to have with me on the line, Land Tawny, welcome

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Speaker 1: back Land. It's good to be back Mark. Like we're

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Speaker 1: just saying before I started recording, I'm excited that we

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Speaker 1: have such a good reason to be chatting today. It's

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Speaker 1: a it's a good moon. The are right now, isn't there?

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Speaker 1: Oh man? It's Uh, I'm I'm ecstatic right now and

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Speaker 1: like glowing. Uh, this is pretty awesome. So so explain

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Speaker 1: you see this fitting into the bigger picture scheme of things? Um?

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Speaker 1: What what level of excitement are we talking about here

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Speaker 1: with with a Great American Outdoors Act? You know? I

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Speaker 1: think that, Um, this is probably I've been doing this

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Speaker 1: But the idea that this, you know, was first passed

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Speaker 1: doing is Great American Outdoors Act is doing. That's full

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Speaker 1: and dedicated funding at nine million dollars. And you know,

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Speaker 1: this means that permanently, every single year will have nine

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Speaker 1: And to me, you know, that's the way we we

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Speaker 1: it's it is. It's relatively unprecedented. For decades and decades,

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Speaker 1: that aren't familiar. What does the Land and Water Conservation

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Speaker 1: then can you catch us up to speed on and

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Speaker 1: so you can sure. Yeah. So back in nineteen sixty four, uh,

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Speaker 1: This has been absolutely essential. You know my kin my

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Speaker 1: think there's a lot of people probably that don't know

431
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,360
Speaker 1: what the Land of Water Controvation Fund is. Um, there's

432
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: a lot of people that probably think their voice doesn't count.

433
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: And like, you start talking about this, that's this like

434
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: momentum that we get and not only they get educated

435
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: about what this is, but then they're like WHOA, Like

436
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: our actual government is working for me, And I think

437
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: that's what they're supposed to do. But I think there's

438
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 1: a lot of disenfranchise with that right now. And and

439
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: so I think the more we talk about this and

440
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: then we get a big win, let's celebrate like it's

441
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: like right, it's like it's a it's a big one. Yeah,

442
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: there's something we said about revel reveling in that a

443
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 1: little bit. And and like you said, again, seeing our

444
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: voice does matter. And I think that's that's something I've

445
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: been thinking a lot about. Is I do think that

446
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: this is probably one of us things that when you

447
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: read a book about the history of public lands and

448
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 1: you're reading it in they'll be writing about this. They'll

449
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: be writing about the late teens, in the early twenties

450
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: and this movement, this moment um. What do you think?

451
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: Tell me two things. Number one, what do you think

452
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: that we've been doing well over the past few years

453
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: that have led to this? And what are a few

454
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: things that you think that we haven't been doing so

455
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: well that if we want to keep the momentum, we've

456
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: got to change anything that you can point to, Because

457
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: we went from this point, you know, ten years ago,

458
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: six seven years ago, where we were really concerned about

459
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: our public lands in some cases being transferred just sold away,

460
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: we have this serious rise of concern around it, and

461
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: now here we are in with landmark positive public land progress. Um,

462
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: what do we do well? What aren't we doing well? Enough? Great? First,

463
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: I will read that book when you write like, I'm

464
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: gonna hold you to that. Please do that. Um, But

465
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: I think you know back to like what we're doing well?

466
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: I think it's education then. And you know, I I

467
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: get up at these pint nights or conferences or wherever

468
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: I'm speaking, and you know, for the last seven years,

469
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: I've you know, I've talked about this issue other land

470
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: of Water Controversation fund, and that's you know, ten years

471
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: or seven years ago. Let's say when I first started

472
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: the vh A and a group of people, if I said, hell,

473
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: how many people know about the land and water controversations?

474
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: Raise your hand? There might be ten percent of the

475
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: people in that room that raise their hand. Um, they

476
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: did not know about this. And if I you know,

477
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: I've I've got a event tonight here in Omaha. Um,

478
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: and I'll ask that question. I almost guarantee you that

479
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: like the people gonna raise their hand and they know

480
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: about this issue. So what are we doing well? I

481
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: think we're educating and I say that from back country

482
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: owners anglers. I say that from Mark Kenyon. I said

483
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: that's from meat eater. I feel like that's been like

484
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: a uh a universal effort by our community is to

485
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: educate all of us and the masses on what the

486
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: Land of Water Conservation Fund is, on what public lands are,

487
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,479
Speaker 1: and what they mean to us, how they came about.

488
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: You know, my my mentor Jim pause with which his

489
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: eighty five birthday this last weekend and something he's always

490
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: counted into me is like they got to know the story,

491
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: they got another story. And once once people find out

492
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: about how we got our public lands and that you know,

493
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: it hasn't happened by accident, and they understand they gotta

494
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: be a part of it. And so I think, what

495
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: have we done well? I think education, Um, what have

496
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: we done that hasn't worked so well? I think that it.

497
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: I think we could always do better at the education, right.

498
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: I think that that's you know, I don't I don't

499
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: some of that, um, you don't want to pound in

500
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: the people's heads that like they turned off. Like I

501
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: think the education is like a thing that you get

502
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: in doses, and it's more almost like osmosis. And it

503
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 1: is like you shall learn this. Um. So I think

504
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: we could be doing better there. Um. I think that

505
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: that's a great question on what we could do better.

506
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: I feel like the sportsman's community as a whole, like

507
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: we could be just better advocates. And what I mean

508
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: by that is that it's not enough to buy, you know,

509
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: your license. It's not enough to like, you know, buy

510
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: your guns and ammunition and all that money that you

511
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: spend on your licenses and then a portion of those

512
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 1: you know, proceeds from your guns and from your from

513
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: your ammunition goes back to conservation. Like that's not enough.

514
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: And I feel like like we need to be to

515
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: do a better job about that piece. And the second

516
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: piece I would say is that I don't think I

517
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: think we're on the cost of it, um. But you know,

518
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: I think we can do a better job reaching out

519
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: to people that don't hunt and fish. And as our

520
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: our numbers dwindle in this country as far as overall

521
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: percentage of hunters and anglers compared to the you know,

522
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: the overall population, like, we're never gonna We're never gonna

523
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: you know, increase that necessarily. If we might, you know,

524
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: we might get new hunters and anglers, but as far

525
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: as the overall percentage is going to continue to go down.

526
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: And so I think one thing we're doing way better

527
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: is really working with folks that don't pull the trigger

528
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: ripped lips, and and if we do that, then they

529
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: understand like more about us and hunters and anglers and

530
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: what we care about conservation, and then we get to

531
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: know them better. And you know, if they're not just

532
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: mountain bikers or climbers, they just want to kind of

533
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: use the outdoors and don't really care if there's animals

534
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: out there, don't really care about conservation. I think that

535
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: shared understanding and that shared yes ethos, It's something I

536
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: think we're missing a little bit right now, and so

537
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: I think we could do a way better job there

538
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: that That definitely seems from everything I've seen and learned

539
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: over the years that we have to have that coalition approach.

540
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: We can't tackle this thing on our own. We need

541
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: the whole outdoor community. Whether you do our thing or

542
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: do something else, we gotta find ways to come together. Um,

543
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's important. I'm curious about another thing

544
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: going on here. Yeah, there's this is this is a

545
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: huge win if it, if it gets past, we're riding

546
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: on a high right now. But at the same time,

547
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: if you look over the last handful of years, you

548
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: can also point to a whole lot of slashes and cuts.

549
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: And this place is open up to more drilling, and

550
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: this place is going to be opened up to more logging,

551
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: and this place is going to be cut out, and

552
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: this place is gonna get roads. And it's this whole

553
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: death by a thousand cuts thing that has been going on,

554
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: and then you have a big win like this. Are

555
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: you Are you still worried about the death by thousand

556
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: cuts type of issues or do you feel like we're

557
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: getting enough momentum that those things are going to come

558
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: to halt as well? Or let me rephrase the question, um,

559
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: are you word at all that we will be blinded

560
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: by our happiness with this wind and forget about all

561
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: these other smaller things that are happening more locally, um?

562
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: Or I don't know makes sense of any of that?

563
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: As you can now, I think I really enjoy the question. Um.

564
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: Access is easy, right, like land and water controvation. Fond

565
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: is all about, like access and growing this public estate

566
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: and EASi people to rally around. I think the backlog

567
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: maintenance piece that you know, Mr I'm referring to Mexico

568
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: really pushed and that's why it's in the bill. Like

569
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: like that's pretty easy stuff. It's it's really easy to like, Okay,

570
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: we want that. And I what I hope mark is

571
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: it's like a gateway drug, you know. I like, like

572
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: we get we get a little bit of this juice, right,

573
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: and I get excited, and like we get a win,

574
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: and then we pivot that into you know, places like

575
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: the Arctic National Wildife Refuge that's under threat, or the

576
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: Boundary Waters is under threat, or the Clean Water Act

577
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: they just got rolled back puts that risk. You know,

578
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: Prairie a Postholes in particular, which is a duck factory

579
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: of the world. Like I like those ones. I mean,

580
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: I think those landscapes of Boundary Waters and the Arctic

581
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: are probably pretty iconic. But when you get into like

582
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: funding for our public lands, or when you get into

583
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: like grazing kind of rules, or you get into like

584
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: a Clean Water Act, like people just aren't as fired

585
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: up about that stuff. And what I hope happens out

586
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: of this is that that that we celebrate, right, I

587
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: think it's super important for us to throw a huge

588
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 1: party once this all gets done, um, and just revel

589
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: in that piece that you know, you and I and

590
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully everybody listening to this was a part of.

591
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: But then let's take that momentum and look at other issues,

592
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: you know. And I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say that,

593
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, the Clean Water Act is going to rise

594
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: necessarily to the importance um that Land and Water Conservation Fund,

595
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: But damn well should you know? Like that that's stuff

596
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: that we should be doing and the people should be demanding.

597
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: I mean, like clean water, Like why does that so

598
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: hard to AVO came for? That should be a no brainer.

599
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: And and so I Mark, I, you know, glass is

600
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: always has full with me, and I have a lot

601
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: of hope that the momentum that we're you know, creating,

602
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: and I think from I think it started back with

603
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: the push against Shape. That's when he, you know, Congressman

604
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: Shape that'z may tried to sell three million acres. You know,

605
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: was that three or four years ago? Like the sportsman's

606
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: community rose up and they said hell no, and then

607
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: he pulled it back and we were like WHOA, Like

608
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: our voices actually do better, and then you know you

609
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: have the vote. Last year, you know, the Permian authorized

610
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: we had a water conservation phone, and then you know

611
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: there are seven pages of that bill had a bunch

612
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: of public lands protections in there, you know, like I

613
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: think they they did mineral withdrawals on a site outside

614
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: of Yellowstone and the mono drawls in the Metzu Valley

615
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: and Washington and so like that momentum that we're having

616
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: and that we have right now, like let's revel in it.

617
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: But like let's like we can't sit on the couch

618
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: or sit on the porch and clink our beers and

619
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: then talk about this for the next three years. That

620
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: we got a lot more stuff to do. And and

621
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: this this whole thing is like it's a it's and

622
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: if you look at history, and I think that's why

623
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: Jim Pozzle's kind of that into me. This is that

624
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: like it's not like we get to like get something

625
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: done and then we just get to like, you know,

626
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: wash our hands and we're done. Like this is a

627
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: thing that constantly has to happen and we have to

628
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: be engaged. And and to me, I'm hoping that's what

629
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: comes out of this whole thing. Do you find there's

630
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: this One of the things I learned through the process

631
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: of writing my book was the fact that you kind

632
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: of see that I can't remember where I heard this

633
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: or where I read this. Someone I got this somewhere.

634
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: They point out the fact that when it comes to

635
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: protecting public lands or kind servation, Um, we have to

636
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: if we win a fight, we have to keep on

637
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: defending it. So if we protect a landscape or something,

638
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: we have to keep on protecting, keep on protecting, keep

639
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: on fighting, because there's constantly gonna be a tax on

640
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: constant it's gonna it's never gonna end. On the flip side,

641
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: if the anti public land are the folks that want

642
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: to develop a piece of ground or something, they win,

643
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: They win just once and there's nothing we can really

644
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: do about it. They've they've we've lost that piece of

645
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 1: ground or we've lost its pristine wilderness nature or whatever

646
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: it might be. Um, we've got to keep going and

647
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: going and going. It's like you said, it's a never

648
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: ending fight. Do you find that depressing or invigorating? And

649
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: like that's the kick in the ass that gets you

650
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: up in the morning. How do you look at that

651
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: kind of thing? Uh? Depends on the day, right, I think.

652
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: I think sometimes you know, like myself personally, I feel

653
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: overwhelmed and I feel like we're losing and I feel depressed. Um,

654
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: there's other days where I feel that you and I

655
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: are part of this like conservation movement that's you know,

656
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty forty years old in this country,

657
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: and how lucky are we to try to carry on

658
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: that legacy and in this case that we're talking about today,

659
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: actually build on it, Like how lucky are we? And

660
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: so I have ebbs and flows there for sure. Um.

661
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, again, like I'm one of

662
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: a glass aft full, and you know, I started looking

663
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: at my you know, my young kids, you know, Sydney's eleven,

664
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: Collins eight, and like, you know, all our job is

665
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: right now is to pass. But we've inherited on in

666
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: either the same way or better to them, so they

667
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: have something to fight for, you know, And and it's

668
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: it does seem daunting, it seems exhausting. Um, but man,

669
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: you mean you wouldn't even be having this conversations. Those

670
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: people had to come before us, right, and so we

671
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: are key if we're doing what we're doing, and you know,

672
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: it's it's it's about us find out who's next, you know,

673
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: is that who's that next leader? Who's that you know?

674
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: And again like no matter where you are on that

675
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: spoke of kind of like this wheel that is spinning right,

676
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: whether you are in the center of it as you know,

677
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,479
Speaker 1: a senator or whoever, or on the on the edges

678
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: on somebody just made a phone call or send an email,

679
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: Like you're part of this conservation kind of process, and

680
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: it's important for us all to be a part of that.

681
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: And so I have I have great hope, um ah,

682
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 1: and I get interepiration from things like that we're talking

683
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: about today that like actually we're gonna be okay. But

684
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: I will say it, there's some days that I feel

685
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: beat down, and um I think there's others that feel

686
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: beat down to and I think that's natural. But like, man,

687
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: we're we're in the fight, like right, like we're in

688
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: the arena, and I think that's pretty awesome. Yeah, yeah,

689
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: I kind of go back and forth on it, just

690
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 1: like you. Um there's that Leopold line where he said

691
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: the curse of an ecological education is that you live

692
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: in a world of wounds. So the point being that

693
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: if you once you start paying attention to this stuff,

694
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: you notice all of the depressing things, the daunting things. Um.

695
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: But then, to quote another more current person, uh Von

696
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: Schnard always says, the best care for depression is action.

697
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: And that's what I always am trying to remind myself,

698
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: like whenever I'm upset about something or depressed about something

699
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 1: when it comes to these things, just just do something.

700
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a phone call, maybe it's just a tweet,

701
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: maybe it's talked to a friend. But that little bit

702
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: of action I think is the best way to, uh

703
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: to keep this stuff going. And you mentioned your kids.

704
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 1: That's been the thing that I think lit a fire

705
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: under my ass more than anything was having kids. I

706
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: have a two year old now and then now four

707
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: week old, so I have two boys and just totally

708
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: changes your perspective. Um. I don't know. I don't want

709
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: to get to wishy wishy about stuff, but it's it's

710
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: really changed how I think about all this because it's

711
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: not just about you know me any more. It's not

712
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: about you, It's it's about the next generation in a

713
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: really tangible way. Yeah, I think that perspective is really

714
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: important and we're both fathers And congratulations by the way, Um,

715
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: that is awesome. I hope you're sleeping so sounds a

716
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: personalherent that's good. Um, But even people that don't have kids,

717
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: man like like like, just realize again this story, but

718
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: how we got our public lands and you haven't really,

719
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I think your book definitely go right in

720
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: the middle of that, is it, like, let's know the

721
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: story and then like how lucky are we to be

722
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: able to carry that on? You know, and whether you

723
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: have kids or not, you know, I think that, Um,

724
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: it's pretty exciting that you that you that we are.

725
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: You know, what we have here in the United States,

726
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: when we have in North america's super unique and it

727
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: didn't happen by accident and it's not gonna be caring

728
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: for bactment either. And how lucky are we that we

729
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: the people can dictate how that happens. And you know,

730
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: if we don't, if we we you know, sit back

731
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: on that porch and you know, drink that beer and

732
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we're done now, Like we will lose

733
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,479
Speaker 1: it all, you know, we will lose it all. And um,

734
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: we have to stay engaged. And I think that's actually

735
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: I mean, that's an exciting thing. Um that we actually

736
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to do that. Right, there's many other

737
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: countries in this world that don't enjoy the embarrassment of

738
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: riches that we have, and and even if they have them, like,

739
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: they don't have the ability to have a voice on

740
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: how they're managed or what happens with those. Uh. Well

741
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: that's public qualify for our public lands and public waters.

742
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: And so I think about how luck you are and

743
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: then stay engaged. That's that's my big message I guess

744
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: for people. Yeah, we we do. Uh, we do have

745
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: a pretty good speaking of opportunities. There's something I should

746
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: have mentioned earlier. I want to get your perspective on

747
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: what's the story on the Map Land Act. That's another

748
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: piece that was just recently introduced, a related public lands. Um,

749
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: can you give us a scoop on that. Yeah, So

750
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: there's a lot of inaccessible public lands in the United States,

751
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: you know, whether that's if you look at the map

752
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: in Montana. You know, the when the railroads came through,

753
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 1: they got every other section and so and they sold

754
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: that privately, and so now you have you know, public land,

755
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: private land, public land, private lands. You have situations like

756
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: that already have situations where you have a piece of

757
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: public land, um that is donated by private land and

758
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: you know, and so you have you think about that

759
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: in the map, that's that that that square that has

760
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: nothing but private land all the way around it. And

761
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: so we have these inaccessible public lands in the United States,

762
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: and I think that, you know, we're trying to figure

763
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: out like where these things are and then figuring out

764
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: like how do we get to them. And I think

765
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: the Map Act does that. And you know, things like

766
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: the Land of Water Controverations one that we're talking about earlier,

767
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: or flip flu which is like the worst acronym in

768
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: the world, the Federal Land Transaction Facilitation Act, UM, like

769
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: they help us get to these places, but we don't,

770
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: like we're trying to identify where those things are. And

771
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: so I think that this helps us do that in

772
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: a much better way. Um. And you know, on our

773
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: public lands that belong to all of us. And I

774
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: think there's cases and you're gonna hear me say this,

775
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: and um, I hope people hear this strongly, but like

776
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: there may be same places that you know, we want

777
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: to divest. There may be some public land that doesn't

778
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: make sense for us, the people to own. But let's

779
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: figure out what those places are and let's figure out

780
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: those places that actually really matter to us. And and

781
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: I think you know that's that's part of this process

782
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: that we're talking about. Do you worry it all about

783
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: the slippery slope argument to that where if we start

784
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: saying we're okay with some of that divester in in

785
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: there in the right places, in the right ways, that

786
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: folks will take that inch and make it a mile

787
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 1: when we're not looking. I think, do I worry about that? Yes? Um?

788
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: But am I confident in the people? Absolutely? And so

789
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: you know I think that again, I mean it comes

790
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: back to the basic for the crux of this whole conversation.

791
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: So we have to stay engaged and we have to

792
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: be educated on what's going on. And so if that

793
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: stuff that is happening, you know, on the dark of night, Yeah,

794
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: it makes me really freaked out if that's happening in

795
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: a public process again, where we're deciding kind of you know,

796
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: what's important or what is something that doesn't that doesn't

797
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: necessarily make sense for us to have in public ownership, Like,

798
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: as long as that's happen in a public way and

799
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: we're engaged. I am totally comfortable with that. And so

800
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: I think what we have to stay vigilant about is,

801
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: you know, things like you know, when Mr Schaefitz, you,

802
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: Mr Schaefitz, we introduced that bill to sell three million acres.

803
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: He had done that before, UM, but nobody really get attention, right,

804
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: he hadn't had the pushback like he got. And so

805
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: when that actually happened, and you know, Joe Rogan and

806
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: Steve's like, pick this up. I changed the game, man,

807
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: And it's because people are paying attention. So to me,

808
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's just we have to stay

809
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: vigimin um and so I don't I don't mind the

810
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: process at all. I think that again, it's a good

811
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: conversation to have, and we're willing to have that conversation,

812
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: you know from back on Jenner's angers. I'm willing, you know,

813
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: as the CEO, to have that conversation. Let's do that

814
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: in a public way versus kind of like these um

815
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: potential like kind of backroom, backroom, backroom deals. And if

816
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: we if we do that, I'm I'm confident we'll be fine. Yeah.

817
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: So so then tell me this, what's we're we're going

818
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: to rally the troops. We're going to get our Senators

819
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: to pass this, We're going to get the House to

820
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: pass their version. President is going to fall through on

821
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: his word, and this is gonna become a law. It's

822
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: gonna be a huge win. What do you anticipate being

823
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: the next rallying point we we we said we talked

824
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: to you mentioned possibly the the issue around the Clean

825
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: Water Act. There's everything going on with the Boundary Waters.

826
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: There's the art of National Wildlife Refuge getting opened up.

827
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: There's risk the Bay continue to be at risk of

828
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: the mind, there's the Tongus National Forest with the role

829
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: less rule. There's the whole Bears Ears thing that's been

830
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: going on for years now. If you had to point

831
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: out what you think might be our next major rallying point,

832
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: what do you think that would be? What should we

833
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: turn our because we're kicking ass, we're kicking ass and

834
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: taking the names these last couple of years. Where where

835
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: should we turn our attention to next? I think it's

836
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: a great question, mark, and I think I think the

837
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: iconic landscapes that you just described are absolutely what we

838
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: need to turn our attention to. And you know, the

839
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: there as many things that we could talk about right

840
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: now kind of still that are happening at the federal level.

841
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: And well that's like what the the next farm bill

842
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: and conservational reserve program or you know againting clean water.

843
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: I think those are major major issues. But as you

844
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: said earlier, like we only have to lose once, right,

845
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: like the Boundary Waters that mine goes in, right that

846
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: changes that landscape forever. Bristol Bay, you know that mine

847
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: goes in up there, like that changes that landscape forever,

848
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: like we don't ever get that back. And so I think,

849
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think for me personally, I think our organization,

850
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: and then folks listen to this. I think about those

851
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: landscapes that are important to you and and really I

852
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: think these iconic places like the boundary waters like Bristol Bay,

853
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: like Congus, like the Arctic National wal Life Preftage. And

854
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: I've never been to the Arctic National Life Prefuge, but

855
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: holy cow, do I want to protect this because it's

856
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: like this, it's like this dream of mine to go

857
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: up there, right Like, I just like this this special

858
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: place that belongs to you and I and everybody on

859
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: this you know, let's listening to this and we may

860
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: never go there. I may never go there. The Holy Cow?

861
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: Is that? Like what a what a special thing that

862
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: we have and and why would we try to defile that?

863
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: And so I think, like I think turning our attention

864
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: to these iconic landscapes. You know, I have been in

865
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 1: the underwaters. Um, it's just this amazing, amazing, amazing play

866
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 1: is the number one visited wilderness in the in the country. Um,

867
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: it's I'm taking my kids there in August this year.

868
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: Like that place, dude, is like and if we all

869
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: turn our attention to that, like we did on this

870
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: Land and Water Conservation Fund, like we protect that place

871
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: for all future generations. Like all we have to do

872
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: is like get that minimal withdrawal you know is south

873
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: of there. That's all we have to do, and then

874
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: let's protected forever. Like we have to worry. We can

875
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: put that one aside. And I think like that, you know,

876
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: and I think Bristol Bay. I mean we again we

877
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: talked about these landscapes. I think finding those landscapes that

878
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: are important to you, and you know I talked about

879
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: earlier with the public lands package that was passed last year,

880
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: like the minimals draw off and the Mentel Valley, the

881
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: minimal draw outside of Yellowstone. I find those places that

882
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: are key to you and turn your attention to that

883
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: and be like a dog on a bone and like,

884
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: don't let that thing go and um use your voice.

885
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: And I think you know that I would, Saul. I

886
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: suggest to anybody that's listening to this that I'm gonna

887
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: suggest to like my North American board and the staff,

888
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: that we really pivot into and really take this woementum

889
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: and look at these you know, special landscapes um, because

890
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: if they're defiled, we don't ever get that back. And

891
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, if land a water conservation fund didn't pass,

892
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: will that be horrible in a lot of ways? Yes,

893
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: But is that going to be you know, we're really

894
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: gonna lose something in a lot of ways. You know,

895
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: like this is a huge opportunity with that. But these landscapes, man,

896
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: if if you if you lose these special places, you

897
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 1: never ever get it back. And I don't I don't

898
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: ever want to be you know, on a phone with

899
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: you or in person talking about Man, remember that thing

900
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: we tried to do on that landscape and it didn't

901
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: work out, And now there's like this huge problem. Like

902
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to have that conversation, you know,

903
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: I really don't. And so I think that's there's a

904
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: long way to say, and like let's turn our into

905
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: those special places. Yeah, I'm right there with you. And

906
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: the Boundary Waters is a great a great example of

907
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: a place that needs are our love intention After getting

908
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: to see it last year, I'm I'm smitten just like

909
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: you are. That place is special. So I love that word.

910
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: By the way, smitten is one of my favorite words.

911
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: Thank you for saying that. So so maybe you already

912
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: answered my last question, but we got to revel a

913
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: little bit in these places we love so much. What

914
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: public land adventure of your own coming up in are

915
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: you the most excited about? You know, I think I

916
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: did just mention that I think the Boundary Waters and

917
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: it's not for me, it's for my kids and my wife. Um,

918
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: you know I I we just got back from Mexico

919
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: and everybody listener is gonna think that all I do

920
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: is just go travel and I'm gonna be awesome places,

921
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: which was not the case at all. I mean, I

922
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: got cell phone here and uh in typewriter hands. Um,

923
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: but we're going to go into the Boundary Waters in August,

924
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: and you know what I'm excited about is like, you know,

925
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: showing the landscape to them that they heard me talk

926
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: about a lot. But I can't wait for that first fish,

927
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: for calling, or for Sitney to catch like like that

928
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: that excitement that they feel when they do that, Like

929
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: I'm living vicariously through them, like I'm a little kid again,

930
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: and I just so I'm I'm man that trip. I'm

931
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: like just chomping at the bit around. We just put

932
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: it on the calendar, you know, in our lives, like

933
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: if something goes on the calendar actually going to happen.

934
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: You know, there's so much important soccer and school and

935
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: like whatever. You know, there's all in my travel, there's

936
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: all these things. But once we bought it out on

937
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: the calendar, we're gonna do it. So that's what I'm

938
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: most excited about, is going up to the Bounderwater. That's awesome.

939
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 1: That's definitely on my list. Once the boys get old enough,

940
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: I definitely want to take them out there too. That

941
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: was the one of the first things me and my

942
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: buddies were talking about while we were there last fall, was, oh,

943
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: we gotta get back with the family some day, so

944
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: pretty special place. Well, can you do me one more favorite,

945
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: can give us that phone number one last time for

946
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: how people can call their senators to make the g

947
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: A O Act, the Great American Outdoors Act Reality. What

948
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: was that? Absolutely So it's two oh two to two

949
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: four three one two one, and then you're gonna get

950
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: a switchboard and all you need to do it just

951
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: tell them where you're from and then ask them to

952
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: connect you to your senator. And you'll have to make

953
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: two phone calls because you can't just you can't just

954
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: pass them through on both. But like that's all you

955
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: have to do, ask them, uh, you know, to pass

956
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: this bill as soon as possible. Perfect, all right, Land, Well,

957
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: thank you for keeping us informed, thanks for helping us

958
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: stay engaged, and uh, I'm gonna keep on pulling you

959
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: on here once a year for good news. Okay, Well,

960
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: let's uh let's make a point that like like again

961
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: that we're getting that done right, So I would love

962
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: if you and I are getting on the phone once

963
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: a year to celebrate. That's a pretty cool thing, but

964
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: I think we should do it, alright. Thank you for

965
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: the time. I appreciate it. Thank you so much, Mark,

966
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: and that's gonna do it for us today. Thanks for

967
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: joining in, thanks for listening. Make sure you call, you email,

968
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: you tweet, you Facebook, you go knock on the doors

969
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: of your senators, and make the Great American Outdoors Act

970
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: a reality. We've got the power, we've got their ear.

971
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: Let's just make it happen. So until next time, thank you,

972
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: and stay wired to hunt.