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Speaker 1: We go, here, we go. It's good. He's in a
Speaker 1: dry fit. He's filling cash. Do you go fishing or something?
Speaker 1: I'm ready to right, he's ready to sell fishing for
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. That's what we're gonna get to. So
Speaker 1: how's everyone doing. It's April crazy time around here. Oh? Yes,
Speaker 1: Draft season, right, Brian? Yeah, I'm getting you're ready down
Speaker 1: to the end of looking at guys that are priority
Speaker 1: free agents and and guys have probably seventh round guys.
Speaker 1: They've got, you know, multiple picks. I don't think they're
Speaker 1: going to use them all, but there's some guys to
Speaker 1: kind of fill out this thing. So yeah, that part
Speaker 1: of it's good. And yeah, we're just a few short
Speaker 1: days away from this thing actually taking place, trying to
Speaker 1: rebuild this team. How many supplemental picks do they have? Four? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you asked me that question. I have that I've
Speaker 1: got too many. Know they got four compensive gets four? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at how does everybody keep writing they have three?
Speaker 1: I don't know because they trade one away. Let me
Speaker 1: let me, I've got too many pieces of paper. I'm
Speaker 1: like Mickey Spagnola here right now. I know that's good
Speaker 1: bets story pick at one thirty seven, which is four
Speaker 1: one thirty seven, fourth, compensatory pick five one seventy one,
Speaker 1: and compensatory let's see six two o eight those are
Speaker 1: compensatory picks. There's three, just three, just three? You know
Speaker 1: why I thought it was four? Like there was a bunch,
Speaker 1: like they had so many to use that. Oh, we
Speaker 1: got all these week in trade. Kind of move them
Speaker 1: around a little bit though. Well, if you are a
Speaker 1: Cowboys fan, which I'm assuming you are, if you're listening
Speaker 1: to this podcast, then your whole timeline. Your entire weekend
Speaker 1: was spent talking with friends about Dez Bryant. This crew
Speaker 1: that I'm sitting with was immediate. They have a podcast
Speaker 1: of their instant reaction of Dez Bryant. And now that
Speaker 1: we've had kind of over the weekend Monday, some other
Speaker 1: things have come to light. You know, I asked the
Speaker 1: guys prior to this show how they felt about Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant's release from the team. We've had podcasts on this
Speaker 1: for months now. But you know, Brian, you wrote in
Speaker 1: yours writing on the wall. Yeah, it was clearly they're
Speaker 1: writing on the wall, and you know it's it didn't
Speaker 1: happen in a timely manner for Dez Bryant. But to
Speaker 1: the front office, the Joneses, you know, you felt like
Speaker 1: though that the way that they were looking at receivers,
Speaker 1: and this goes all the way back. Rob and I
Speaker 1: were happening to be at the Combine and they were
Speaker 1: interviewing receivers at the Combine. They were going through a
Speaker 1: lot of those guys. They got home and it started
Speaker 1: to be okay, well, let's now figure out about free agency.
Speaker 1: You know, they signed a couple of guys. They went
Speaker 1: after a big fish and didn't land the big fish.
Speaker 1: And you know, so now you're thinking, okay, wait, something's
Speaker 1: up here. What are they gonna do. You're talking about
Speaker 1: Sammy Sammy Watkins. Absolutely so, you know I And then
Speaker 1: now you get into okay, we're having thirty visits. Well,
Speaker 1: they've lined up a couple of first round receivers as
Speaker 1: possible in my opinion, first round receivers with Ridley and Moore.
Speaker 1: They're working out Shark, they're working out Kirk, they're working
Speaker 1: out all these guys. So to me, they were still
Speaker 1: hunting receivers. And you know, as as Dez Bryant probably
Speaker 1: didn't get the word, you know, I just felt like
Speaker 1: as we were going along, it was systematically the way
Speaker 1: the scouting department was saying, Hey, we're looking for receivers.
Speaker 1: We're going to have to make a movie or we
Speaker 1: are going to make a move. And they had a
Speaker 1: deadline on Monday, and they took the advantage on Friday
Speaker 1: to get that done. I'm glad you brought up the combine.
Speaker 1: And you guys know, it wasn't really until December. Des
Speaker 1: Brandt kind of had almost like a press conference at
Speaker 1: his locker if you guys remember it was a thirty
Speaker 1: minute media session in the locker room where he kind
Speaker 1: of explained everything. He talked about his injuries, he talked
Speaker 1: about this season, and that was really the first time
Speaker 1: a lot of people started questioning if he would be
Speaker 1: on the team next year. I believe. I don't want
Speaker 1: to say for sure, but I do believe it was
Speaker 1: Todd Archer who asked him, are you going to be
Speaker 1: a Dallas Cowboy next year? And that's when he said,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a bet on me and that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. And then that came to light. And then
Speaker 1: at the combine, Stephen did speak and he said, we
Speaker 1: were going to have these talks sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1: It's been seven weeks. Sure of course you saw everyone
Speaker 1: in Phoenix or yeah, you know, Bryan's right, Like the
Speaker 1: riding was on the wall for months. If you if
Speaker 1: you listen to Stephen only, it felt like this was
Speaker 1: going to happen eventually, At least at the very least.
Speaker 1: They were preparing for life without him, especially when they
Speaker 1: signed al On Hearns and then when they started visiting,
Speaker 1: you know, really taking a hard look at these top receivers.
Speaker 1: You're like Okay, something has to give because you can't
Speaker 1: pay all these guys thirty million bucks. There's not enough
Speaker 1: balls to go around for all of them. And but
Speaker 1: the one caveat was Jerry Jones. I was hesitant to
Speaker 1: say for sure that he wouldn't be back because of
Speaker 1: their relationship, and then when they get in a room together,
Speaker 1: could something be worked out. Ultimately, they had a plan
Speaker 1: to move forward, not even a June one post release,
Speaker 1: just let's let's make this change, Let's eat the cap
Speaker 1: money and let's move forward. And you know, there's there's
Speaker 1: you could say, there's a couple of different reasons for
Speaker 1: why they did it. Production compared to salary is probably
Speaker 1: the number one. But if you listen to some things
Speaker 1: that have been said, Stephen Jones talking about a couple
Speaker 1: months ago having to control his emotions, Dez being better
Speaker 1: at that, I think to some degree, locker room was
Speaker 1: a consideration here with Doz. So there's a lot of
Speaker 1: different reasons. The thing about it is in the statement
Speaker 1: that Jerry is given last Friday. So far we haven't
Speaker 1: gotten a concrete reason why they did it. I think
Speaker 1: if you listen enough and read the tea leaves, it
Speaker 1: had to do with, Hey, we can't pay him this
Speaker 1: salary for the production you're getting, and that's ultimately why
Speaker 1: they decided to move on absolutely. And then you brought
Speaker 1: up Jerry Jones. He released a statement immediately and he did,
Speaker 1: you know, he echoed pretty much everything you just said.
Speaker 1: You know, he will always be a valued member of
Speaker 1: our family. Des and I share a personal and professional
Speaker 1: relationship that is very strong, and he's just one one
Speaker 1: of just a handful of players of who I have
Speaker 1: become that close to over the past thirty years. You
Speaker 1: guys have seen that, Mickey, what do you think about
Speaker 1: Jerry's comments? Well, I don't know about Jerry's comments. You know,
Speaker 1: this supposed summit meeting wasn't the meeting. I think everybody
Speaker 1: was portraying they had already made up their mind. There
Speaker 1: was no oh, will he take a pay cut. He
Speaker 1: was an offered to pay cut. They were decided that
Speaker 1: I guess this was going to be addition by subtraction
Speaker 1: because they're not a better football team without Dez Bryant.
Speaker 1: Now behind the scenes, are they better? Well, they put
Speaker 1: up with it for eight years, right, so now all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, well we start hearing this and this
Speaker 1: and this, and everybody's globbing on to stuff, and you know,
Speaker 1: there's some people I talked to and it's like, you
Speaker 1: want somebody that was disruptive, Go look at thirty two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: eighty eight in practices and things like that, you know,
Speaker 1: was not a problem. Sure, Now, was he late for meetings, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was always late for meetings for eight years. He
Speaker 1: was late for meetings. He missed things, But that was him. Now,
Speaker 1: did he need the care of those things better? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so. I think they just decided that they
Speaker 1: were turning this roster over and they weren't going to
Speaker 1: spend that much money on that wide receiver with some
Speaker 1: of the other stuff that was going on. But from
Speaker 1: a production standpoint, you know, I keep reading about what
Speaker 1: his production was over the last three years, but no
Speaker 1: one points out that three years of football should be
Speaker 1: forty eight games. He only played thirty six if you
Speaker 1: look at the ones he didn't finish, the ones he
Speaker 1: didn't play. And so when you look at it that way,
Speaker 1: his production over those three years wasn't as bad as
Speaker 1: everybody's portraying. And I still maintain now they're going to
Speaker 1: have to make up for him. But whoever they bring in,
Speaker 1: is he going to be a better receiver talent wise
Speaker 1: than Dez Bryant. I don't think so. That's why I
Speaker 1: think go ahead, take no, no, no, go ahead. What
Speaker 1: we're gonna say, Well, I'd like to add something too,
Speaker 1: if I could on that. I have some of the
Speaker 1: stats if we weren't talking about Yeah, all right, so
Speaker 1: you're talking about Dez Bryant, who will be turning thirty
Speaker 1: years old this year. He has been, you know, making
Speaker 1: this since he signed the huge contract in early twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: Richard Matthews has been a more productive NFL player over
Speaker 1: the past three years than des Bryant. Since opening Day
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, Matthews verse Bryant, of course, Mickey points out,
Speaker 1: you know Bryant has only had thirty eight games thirty six. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: why does I say thirty eight thirty eight? Oh? I
Speaker 1: thought i'd say thirty six. Maybe I've miscounted, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was thirty eight, and then one hundred and fifty reception
Speaker 1: yards receptions, Yeah, receiving yards two thousand and thirty five,
Speaker 1: the average thirteen point six seventeen touchdowns. Matthews with you know,
Speaker 1: three games above him had one hundred and sixty one
Speaker 1: receptions twenty four oh two receiving yard, so about four
Speaker 1: hundred yards more. Yeah, average, fourteen point nine seventeen. Now
Speaker 1: here's the difference between the two in those three years.
Speaker 1: Richard's Matthews has made ten point six million dollars. Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant in three years has been paid forty five million
Speaker 1: dollars by the Dallas Cowboys. That's interesting. I'll say this,
Speaker 1: how many games did he play? Forty one? If you
Speaker 1: want to scratch the twenty fifteen season because of Bryant
Speaker 1: missing seven games due to injury. Let's look at the
Speaker 1: productivity after. Tyroll Williams and Jameson Crowder have more receiving
Speaker 1: yards than Brant over the past two seasons. Tyrrell Williams,
Speaker 1: he plays for the Chargers and in all, thirty six
Speaker 1: players have more catches than Brian in twenty sixteen and
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen combined. Can who was he playing with Chargers? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The guy who was his quarterback by the way, not
Speaker 1: big name guys you're you're referring to that numbers wise
Speaker 1: could be better. That's interesting. I will say that there's
Speaker 1: two schools that thought there I think you have to
Speaker 1: look at the way this offense is structured, especially the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, even going back to twenty fourteen
Speaker 1: with DeMarco Murray. Receiver's numbers are going to take a
Speaker 1: hit in this offense. So it's not He's not gonna
Speaker 1: be a hundred catch guy in this system, and he
Speaker 1: was okay with that as long as they were winning.
Speaker 1: That's fair. Yeah, But to your point, Tay, I think
Speaker 1: you mentioned the injuries. I think there's a school thought
Speaker 1: that he is not the same guy he was in
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. He had all those foot and ankle injuries,
Speaker 1: knee miss time. Maybe he's he's slowed down a little bit.
Speaker 1: And this franchise is known for trying to let guys
Speaker 1: go maybe a year early instead of a year too late,
Speaker 1: and we've seen it with DeMarcus Ware that didn't work out.
Speaker 1: So we'll see if this works out. But that is
Speaker 1: a school thought that injuries had slowed him down to
Speaker 1: the point where he's not getting away from guys as
Speaker 1: much anymore. Hey, we'll see what happens. He might go
Speaker 1: to another team and he looks like des Bryan from
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. We'll just have to find out. I've been
Speaker 1: very critical of Jason Garrett throughout his coaching tenure here,
Speaker 1: and I will say this, I will give him credit
Speaker 1: though he was the last one that they had to
Speaker 1: bring around. He was the last guy. He really he
Speaker 1: was the one that deep downside had more They would
Speaker 1: talk about Jerry Jones when they went around the room,
Speaker 1: it was Jason Garrett that would had more pause than
Speaker 1: everyone else. So with that being said, he gave it thought.
Speaker 1: He gave it thought in the room, he said, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, are we doing the right thing? And all
Speaker 1: that I've it's been reliably reported to me that was
Speaker 1: the case. So the fact that he was the last
Speaker 1: one to come around, I think says something about, you know,
Speaker 1: there was some worry that he really didn't have does
Speaker 1: Bryant's back and so with you know, with all that,
Speaker 1: he really he's the one that said, are we really
Speaker 1: doing the right thing? And then as a group, and
Speaker 1: I can only speak from experience that every time Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones asked questions, it was about consensus. They're building a
Speaker 1: draft board right now on consensus is what they're doing.
Speaker 1: And so everybody had their opportunity to step up. But
Speaker 1: I will say this that Jason Garrett was one of
Speaker 1: the last ones to say, Okay, let's move, let's go
Speaker 1: ahead with this move, you know, And so I would
Speaker 1: have thought, well, maybe he would have been one of
Speaker 1: the first ones. Yeah, maybe he was a guy that's
Speaker 1: kind of leading the band, and that really wasn't the
Speaker 1: case at all. Well, and I agree with you, Brian,
Speaker 1: because of the fact we've spoken with Alan Hearns since
Speaker 1: des Bryant was released and was straight up ast him,
Speaker 1: did you know this was going to happen? And he
Speaker 1: said no, I didn't realize he was going to be released.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been around, he hasn't seen him here or
Speaker 1: spoken with him personally. But he did say that when
Speaker 1: he was being approached about coming to the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: it was well aware that there was going to possibly
Speaker 1: be something offered to Dez as far as a pay cut.
Speaker 1: They weren't sure yet, but there was a situation and
Speaker 1: then Hearne's response, he was like, I'm a I'm a
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the NFL. I know Dez, I know
Speaker 1: the pride he has. I knew for something, you know,
Speaker 1: to take a pay cut, that's hard. Of course, we
Speaker 1: found out other things that have happened, but that shows that,
Speaker 1: you know, Garrett wasn't completely ready to go. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: one of the things Dez did was he reached out
Speaker 1: to Garrett afterwards. He wanted to know if Garrett had
Speaker 1: his back, and you know, and I'm sure that I
Speaker 1: was not privy to that conversation, but like I said,
Speaker 1: I do know that Jason Garrett had his pause about that.
Speaker 1: And you know, a lot of people feel like though
Speaker 1: maybe he was the ringleader in this and he was
Speaker 1: the last one to come around. I was told, well,
Speaker 1: that's in line with what Jason's been about all seven
Speaker 1: years with Dez, eight years with Does. He's had Does
Speaker 1: his back all the way through. I think the organization
Speaker 1: has had Dez his back through with a lot of things,
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Yeah, I think as a young receiver,
Speaker 1: young man coming in, you know, Jerry Jones. I I
Speaker 1: feel like though that Jerry Jones and Dez do have
Speaker 1: an outstanding relationship with each other. And you know, I
Speaker 1: think it was very difficult for Jerry Jones to make
Speaker 1: this call. But again, he looks for a consensus in
Speaker 1: the room, and he trusts people. When he trusts the
Speaker 1: opinion and those people now all know, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm the one guy that said let's go let's go
Speaker 1: a different direction. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you know, those guys are going to have to answer
Speaker 1: whether it works or not. They're gonna have to answer to, Okay,
Speaker 1: we made a move here, it didn't work. You know, Ultimately,
Speaker 1: it might help everybody's job, or it might get him fired.
Speaker 1: That's really the bottom line with this business. But I
Speaker 1: just feel like though that that the organization for a
Speaker 1: lot of times. I think Dez will admit it, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are times when Dez went on his
Speaker 1: own way and needed to be pulled back in. The
Speaker 1: Joneses were there to pick the pieces up. You know,
Speaker 1: He's he feels very fortunate that Jerry Jones, when he
Speaker 1: didn't play a senior year at Oklahoma State, he still
Speaker 1: got drafted in the first round. He feels very fortunately
Speaker 1: contract I think the only regret that Dez Bryant has
Speaker 1: to be honest with you guys, is the fact that
Speaker 1: he didn't stick up for Tony Romo when Tony Romo
Speaker 1: was healthy. I think that's the one thing he There's
Speaker 1: not a lot of regrets he has but I think
Speaker 1: that's the one that he that bothers him the most.
Speaker 1: That you know is he knew it was right in
Speaker 1: the locker room to stick up for Dak, you know,
Speaker 1: the way the team was playing, the way they were
Speaker 1: going forward. But if he goes, if he had to
Speaker 1: do it all over again, I believe that he would
Speaker 1: have said, I was stuck up for Tony Room because
Speaker 1: Tony Romo was the guy that got him the contract.
Speaker 1: It does has a ton of ability, but Tony Romo
Speaker 1: was a big part of that great point because Rob
Speaker 1: you were president. On Saturday, when Dak shared his response, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he he spoke in nothing but positive terms
Speaker 1: about Dez, called him a brother, said sad news. He said,
Speaker 1: we've got to find a way to replace him, and
Speaker 1: he said he's been thrown with Alan Hearns. Deonte Thompson
Speaker 1: was on en route to get here and take part
Speaker 1: in the voluntary offseason program which started yesterday. So he's
Speaker 1: going to get in and work with those guys. And
Speaker 1: he said, what, We'll figure it out. That's that's what
Speaker 1: he said, trying to replace des his production. But to me,
Speaker 1: you know, this reminds me so much Tay of nine
Speaker 1: years ago. You remember when they let TiO go. You
Speaker 1: mentioned addition by subpraction, Mick. That's what this is in theory, basically,
Speaker 1: because there's not a guy that's has proven as Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant at receiver on this roster. There just isn't. And
Speaker 1: I think there's got to be a twenty eighteen version
Speaker 1: of Miles Austin step in here and be a productive
Speaker 1: guy in this offense. And to me, it's got to
Speaker 1: be Alan Hearns because you can go draft a guy
Speaker 1: in the first round or second round or third round.
Speaker 1: It's a hard position to transition, very difficult. This is
Speaker 1: a guy they signed not for a ton of money,
Speaker 1: but he's been a thousand yard receiver, he's at ten
Speaker 1: touchdowns in a season before. He's got to be the
Speaker 1: guy that steps up and as a reliable guy for
Speaker 1: Dak And that's to me, what they've got a bank on,
Speaker 1: because right now, on paper, they're not They're not better
Speaker 1: without him. So do you think Herns can do that?
Speaker 1: We'll find out. I mean, I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: that's the scary part of all. They think Ron will
Speaker 1: will find out. Basis, what would you can we ask
Speaker 1: you a question Mickey, and I think I know the answer,
Speaker 1: but I just want to make sure I don't want
Speaker 1: to get this wrong. You don't think that Dez's number
Speaker 1: were poor this year, right? I think they were average? Okay?
Speaker 1: If Alan Hearns does Dez's numbers this year, are we
Speaker 1: okay with that? If you're probably okay with it because
Speaker 1: he's only counting four point three millions, I'm just it's
Speaker 1: not gonna be enough to help this Here's what but
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say for you, I'm trying to say,
Speaker 1: because you're gonna go, you're gonna tell me the offensive
Speaker 1: line needs to be improved. Yes, And I agree with
Speaker 1: you there one hundred percent. Get Cole Beasley going to
Speaker 1: by the way, figure out something helped the quarterback there.
Speaker 1: I feel like though that you need to get get
Speaker 1: the running game. You know, let's hope that Ezekiel it
Speaker 1: comes in, is in shape, ready to go, you know,
Speaker 1: gets the ball from word go. It goes back to
Speaker 1: what Rob's talking about with the offense. It's a run
Speaker 1: first offense. But I think if if Alan Hearns puts
Speaker 1: up Dez Bryant numbers and you have Mickey's offensive line,
Speaker 1: approves and is running back improves that helps Prescott. I
Speaker 1: think that's good enough. I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns has to be better than Dez Bryant. I
Speaker 1: just think he has to have similar numbers to what
Speaker 1: we saw. And again, hers being paid factor into that
Speaker 1: at all. No, no, no, I just need money out.
Speaker 1: Take the money out. I just need Alan Hearns to
Speaker 1: be I don't need him to be Dez Bryant four
Speaker 1: years ago, three years ago. I need Alan Hearns to
Speaker 1: be Dez Bryan in two thousand and sixteen. Which, again,
Speaker 1: if you're saying he I think this was more about
Speaker 1: personality than it is numbers. No, me and you, you
Speaker 1: did a great job or reading a bunch of numbers.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking I'm sitting there thinking this doesn't have
Speaker 1: anything to do with the locker room. This doesn't have
Speaker 1: anything to do with the tardiness or the problems or
Speaker 1: anything like that that that you know that people were
Speaker 1: kind of dealing with. I think this is kind of
Speaker 1: an eight year journey of Okay, we're tired, we're tired,
Speaker 1: and but the production factors in, because if he was
Speaker 1: putting up, but I don't think I don't think it's
Speaker 1: the the overlying factor. Right if Hearns does what you
Speaker 1: just said, Yeah, and Ezekiel Elliott run for sixteen hundred
Speaker 1: yards and the quarterbacks protected like he should have if
Speaker 1: those things had happened last year, I don't think we're here.
Speaker 1: Yeah right now. I don't think so either, because I
Speaker 1: think there was other reasons. And I keep saying it.
Speaker 1: Why he had sixty nine catches, sure, eight hundred and
Speaker 1: some yards, sure, all right? And for six games? Who
Speaker 1: were what, guy? Were defenses scared of? They took Beasley
Speaker 1: out of the game. I know that, Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: made sure Dez didn't beat him, sure, all right, because
Speaker 1: they didn't fear the running back. Yeah. So now my
Speaker 1: question is, when you don't have a wide receiver that
Speaker 1: people fear, how much eight man front are they going
Speaker 1: to face in this running game? Oh? I think, Mickey,
Speaker 1: when this offensive line was healthy in twenty sixteen, they
Speaker 1: faced a lot of eight man line. I have some
Speaker 1: some numbers on it, but there was at least there
Speaker 1: was something to pay for when you did that. Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley was to pay for well, from a short standpoint,
Speaker 1: but one of thirteen games playing that way right. See
Speaker 1: to me, I don't need Alan Hurns to be the MVP.
Speaker 1: I need Alan Hurns to be sixty nine catches seventy
Speaker 1: three catches liable. But he needs to be a threat
Speaker 1: because they don't have anybody else that's going to stretch
Speaker 1: the field that anybody's scared about. Okay, all right, well
Speaker 1: let's take our break. Let's take our break. We're stopping
Speaker 1: on the fact that Mickey doesn't think they have anyone
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Speaker 1: back in here. And before we went to break, we were,
Speaker 1: you know, of course, discussing Dez Bryan in the situation
Speaker 1: that the team is in now, and Brian was bringing
Speaker 1: to the point of, you know, Alan hearns having the
Speaker 1: production of des Brent this past year seventeen, and Mickey,
Speaker 1: I'll let you continue what you were saying. No, I
Speaker 1: think if if, if he does that, and he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to face not having Ezekiel Elliott for six games
Speaker 1: basically the second half of the season, and not having
Speaker 1: Tyrann Smith out there for what he missed three and
Speaker 1: parts of two others, basically five games. So will that
Speaker 1: be enough to offset the lack of a passing game?
Speaker 1: See all this stuff? Would DAC two is the same thing?
Speaker 1: If I hear one more time. They never could get
Speaker 1: on the same page those last eight games in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: The page was pretty good. Sure, forty three catches I
Speaker 1: believe it was the second half of for six hundred
Speaker 1: and forty six yards average, fifteen a catch and eight
Speaker 1: touchdowns if you count the playoff game. What page were
Speaker 1: they on? Right? But suddenly that page got ripped out
Speaker 1: when they didn't have a running game and a threat
Speaker 1: and they couldn't protect the quarterback. So I get tired
Speaker 1: of seeing that sixteen here wore the numbers Mickey's right.
Speaker 1: Of course, des Brand had ninety six targets. Only Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley had ninety eight over him, So two more that's okay.
Speaker 1: But of course you're looking at the production of Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott that you're kind of offsetting all of that. You
Speaker 1: mentioned Cole Beasley. He offset anything that was happening. Jason
Speaker 1: Witten had ninety five targets that you're in six hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy three yards when des Brand had seven hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety six. Just add the fact that you had
Speaker 1: a dynamic, dynamic running back in Ezekiellett, because if the
Speaker 1: run game ishm like it did in twenty sixteen, we
Speaker 1: should have no issue. I said this on the podcast Friday.
Speaker 1: Do you have to have a number one receiver in
Speaker 1: this offense that puts up, like I said, one hundred catches.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so, and I don't think
Speaker 1: that's they're thinking. However, I agree with you, Mickey, and
Speaker 1: that you do have to have somebody that can threaten downfield,
Speaker 1: be reliable on third down for Dak, and keep the
Speaker 1: chains moving. And to just think you've got an offense
Speaker 1: built around the running game and you're gonna be fine
Speaker 1: when Zeke's back. Just remember Christmas Eve, he comes back.
Speaker 1: Everybody thinks, oh they're going to the playoffs, they're gonna
Speaker 1: win out, they're gonna go to the playoffs. They put
Speaker 1: up twelve points, they kick field goals. So you've got
Speaker 1: to have a guy he can rely on and can
Speaker 1: take the top off of defense, and you can argue
Speaker 1: Dez isn't that guy anymore. Maybe that's what they decided.
Speaker 1: But you've got to find somebody who can do that.
Speaker 1: And besides Cole Beasley, Jason Witten, work in the middle
Speaker 1: of the field, running game, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Gotta find somebody else can do that. Maybe the draft
Speaker 1: will help. We'll see. Now my question to you, So,
Speaker 1: everybody's numbers in the passing game went down, Yes, not
Speaker 1: just Dez. Quarterback threw more passes and he threw more
Speaker 1: he did. Okay, Dez numbers went down, Beasley's numbers went
Speaker 1: down dramatically, Whitton's numbers went down dramatically. Williams then as
Speaker 1: many touchdowns as the four of us put together. Right, So,
Speaker 1: but somehow this all fell on Deza's shoulders. Money, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if it was money. I
Speaker 1: think money. We talk a lot in this room about
Speaker 1: how certain players are looked at to have higher performance
Speaker 1: levels because of the contract they're playing under. We talked
Speaker 1: about that with Tyrone Crawford. We talked about that with
Speaker 1: they were going to bring Morris Clayborne back here. We're
Speaker 1: talking about money. Money has been the thing that everyone
Speaker 1: has been talking about when it comes. That's okay. If
Speaker 1: they're talking about it, doesn't mean they're right now. The thing,
Speaker 1: it's like, you're looking at the fact that this was
Speaker 1: a receiver that was being paid to produce at Julio Jones, Antonio,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, but he's not out there playing singles.
Speaker 1: The thing about it is in Pittsburgh. But Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: did say repeatedly, we've got to look at his number. Oh,
Speaker 1: I understand relationship production. I mean, he he gave everybody
Speaker 1: fair warning that this is going to happen. I mean
Speaker 1: he really did. If you listen just to Stephen, you
Speaker 1: we probably should have known this was coming. I feel
Speaker 1: like that with Brown, it's a different player. He does
Speaker 1: come from a system that runs the football for a
Speaker 1: different type of player. About Julio Jones, Julio Jones, I
Speaker 1: think is I think that the Atlanta does a really
Speaker 1: good job with their system and the way that they
Speaker 1: get their receivers open. That's why I think des needs
Speaker 1: to go to San Francisco because a lot of things
Speaker 1: in place in Atlanta was kind of is now in
Speaker 1: San Francisco. I think I think that Julio Jones is
Speaker 1: like Brown. I think he's an elite receiver. I think
Speaker 1: he's got the eliteability to get open for a big guy.
Speaker 1: He runs his routes better than Dez. He separates better
Speaker 1: than Dez where they're very comparable, though as they make
Speaker 1: tested plays. Dez didn't make as many contested plays this
Speaker 1: year as he had in the past. Is that Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan throwing the football better to Julio Jones. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: let's see what that's all about. But I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like though that to me, I look at more
Speaker 1: Tay and Rob, you're right, Steven Jones told us. But
Speaker 1: as Steven Jones gonna come out, he did say though
Speaker 1: about the outburst he did, he did, he did offer
Speaker 1: that as a reason it all goes together. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so you know, so for me to sit here and say, Tay, no,
Speaker 1: you're wrong, that's not that's not right. But what I
Speaker 1: will say is I think the I think that the
Speaker 1: things that for eight the last eight years, I think
Speaker 1: there's clearly some people within the coaching staff, front office, players,
Speaker 1: teammates that it had enough. And that's where Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: had to say, Okay, you and you and you, what
Speaker 1: do you think? And that's that's where this came. I
Speaker 1: think I don't think they worried about the money as
Speaker 1: much as we kind of are talking about right now.
Speaker 1: I think it was more about I just can't take
Speaker 1: this anymore. I can't take this anymore. And you know
Speaker 1: it wears production on this. He catches one or two
Speaker 1: more of those balls, you know a game. I mean
Speaker 1: he had some drops. He had more drops he's ever
Speaker 1: had the league. That's what I'm saying. That's not a
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant type of a situation there, So he catches those.
Speaker 1: Mickey's right, it might be we're not might might be
Speaker 1: talking about this one more catch a game. That's that's
Speaker 1: kind of I agree. He had twelve drops. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: he was twenty fourteen day at twelve drops, yes, he
Speaker 1: would catches. He would be here right now, my opinion.
Speaker 1: If he was putting up big time numbers, whatever they're
Speaker 1: saying is an issue in the locker room, they would
Speaker 1: have found the way to deal with it. If he
Speaker 1: was a guy that Dak really relied on and needed
Speaker 1: in this offense, he'd be here. Nicky someone tweeted and said,
Speaker 1: do you not think that Deontay Thompson can stretch the field?
Speaker 1: He's a speedster. Well, I don't know. Has he done it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've just known from the film. I'll answer that for Micky.
Speaker 1: It's not a fair question to him. I'm the one
Speaker 1: sits there and acts like an idiot watching tape all day.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a when you look at Thompson the
Speaker 1: way he plays. In matter of fact, am Garcia and
Speaker 1: I broke down a play of him for some almost
Speaker 1: where you do you see the vertical where he eats
Speaker 1: the cushion they have the you know they have the
Speaker 1: cornerback for the Jets is sitting at maybe at twelve yards,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Thompson is on him and
Speaker 1: then now past him. I think that's where you need
Speaker 1: to figure out how to use that guy. Maybe they
Speaker 1: didn't figure out how to use Bryce Butler. Butler, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's Bryce Butler with more inside game, more inside routes,
Speaker 1: more things in the middle of the field. The numbers
Speaker 1: aren't huge, but when you throw him the ball, he
Speaker 1: seems to come up with plays. He made some seriously
Speaker 1: good acrobatic catches with wide passes where he's having to adjust,
Speaker 1: So he gives me a little hope that way as
Speaker 1: far as can he be a guy that separates, but
Speaker 1: can he be a more complete receiver? You know, we
Speaker 1: got to figure out how to get the ball to
Speaker 1: Beasley Again, like I keep saying, you got to figure
Speaker 1: out Hearns. Whoever they draft, they're gonna have to figure
Speaker 1: out how to get the ball to him. Thompson could
Speaker 1: be a very nice little supplemental piece to what you're
Speaker 1: trying to do. Again, I should we showed you that
Speaker 1: the separation, the closing of the cushion, those are things
Speaker 1: he can do. So you know, we've talked about the
Speaker 1: fact that cool Beasley needs to get it more involved.
Speaker 1: Mikey brought it up. Terrence Williams garro touchdowns on the
Speaker 1: year with Deza's absence. Now, is this going to help
Speaker 1: evaluate really how Terrence Williams can be here? Can I
Speaker 1: I'm just letna chime in. If they draft, if they
Speaker 1: draft Calvin Ridley really will be your Z. He should
Speaker 1: be your Z. He's a better player than Terence Williams.
Speaker 1: And Terrence Willis becomes Bryce Butler exactly or becomes a
Speaker 1: guy they put in the game to block or occasional
Speaker 1: you know, loose play. Terrence Williams's greatest strength this is
Speaker 1: ability to find space when things break down. That's as
Speaker 1: great at strength, you know. And and he didn't. They
Speaker 1: didn't get him the ball in the end zone. He
Speaker 1: didn't have those red zone touchdowns. You know that we
Speaker 1: or we see from him because of him finding space.
Speaker 1: But they if they draft Calvin Ridley, Calvin Ridley will
Speaker 1: be your see and they will put him out there
Speaker 1: and let him go. And I talk about how receivers
Speaker 1: are hard transition, and I don't watch as much tape,
Speaker 1: nearly as much tape as you do, obviously, but he's
Speaker 1: ready made to step in and be a good receiver
Speaker 1: in this league. He runs, his routes are great, He's
Speaker 1: he played in a pro style offense. I've watched enough
Speaker 1: Bama to this guy's ready to play in the NFL. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like that. We brought up Bryce Butler because I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys saw Bryce Butler's response when
Speaker 1: they asked him if they'd want Dez Bryan on the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Of course people were looking at that, and he said, whatever,
Speaker 1: we need to help the team. But look, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to ball out. Does is my guy, but I don't
Speaker 1: want him on my team making it harder for me
Speaker 1: to get where I need to go. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They got Larry Fitzgerald who'll make every single catch.
Speaker 1: Throw out that it's already making it hard. Yeah, that's sorry,
Speaker 1: make it. And they've got a running back too that
Speaker 1: catches a hundred balls a year when he's healthy. So yeah,
Speaker 1: Bryce Butler, you're gonna probably have thirteen catches again this year.
Speaker 1: Get ready guy should like he picks terrible teams. He
Speaker 1: got traded here, but he has to start right. Guys,
Speaker 1: he loves golf. You look good. The golf outfits. Guy
Speaker 1: should walk around with a ten second delay. No, Bryce Butler,
Speaker 1: Just like when you say something, I think about it
Speaker 1: and then you go, okay, I want that back. We
Speaker 1: all need that sometimes. Yeah, you included not me? Oh never? Never.
Speaker 1: Why would he say something like that. I think he's
Speaker 1: been honest. Well, no, he probably is, but I don't
Speaker 1: think that's to his benefit. Who's hurt. So basically he's
Speaker 1: telling the Cardinals, Hey, I'm your guy, and don't bring
Speaker 1: anybody else. In here to compete with me, take catch
Speaker 1: us away from me. Get ready to have a mock
Speaker 1: draft where Ridley goes to Arizona fifteen because they don't
Speaker 1: get a quarterback. Yeah. Oh and then sorry Bryce, Sorry.
Speaker 1: Bryce's kind of like when Alfred again, he's in golf
Speaker 1: Heaven there, you know, he got the dead her mountain
Speaker 1: and knock it around. He'll figure out though that it's
Speaker 1: he had to take one less club to hit the
Speaker 1: ball because of the air. That's always the downside of
Speaker 1: a free agency. You go somewhere and you think, Okay,
Speaker 1: now I'm the guy, and then they draft somebody. Well,
Speaker 1: honestly though, Alfred Morris, yeah, he talked about he talked
Speaker 1: about San Francisco, and San Francisco is a really good
Speaker 1: fit for a wide receiver because he and his Pierre
Speaker 1: Garson and Goodwin or early their guys Garoppolo. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you got Garoppolo. You got a coach and knows how
Speaker 1: to use a big receiver. I've said that before. It
Speaker 1: does Bryant. I hope does Brian does end up in
Speaker 1: San Francisco. That'd be a great fit for him. He
Speaker 1: wouldn't see us twice a year though, No, he's gonna
Speaker 1: that he's gonna in Houston see us next year for
Speaker 1: twice preseason report season. Yeah, the reports are he'd love
Speaker 1: to go to the Giants and play with O. B J.
Speaker 1: The reports I've been seen is that the Ravens are
Speaker 1: very interested in him. They were the first time in
Speaker 1: two Yeah. I was telling Brian that'd be a great
Speaker 1: fit for him because it's a veteran quarterback, good quarterback,
Speaker 1: great organization, strong, accountable, strong GM leadership on that team.
Speaker 1: Got thirty receivers on the roster too. Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: they're looking for one. The plays they always do the
Speaker 1: Ravens are they look at look for receiver. I think
Speaker 1: that'd be the best fit for him. But what about Detroit,
Speaker 1: go replace Megatron. It's like Baltimore the quarterback. Baltimore has
Speaker 1: become last chance you for receivers. Oh there's that last
Speaker 1: chance again, right, Yeah, I mean they've brought in a
Speaker 1: bunch of Oh they are tread they have a ton receivers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's because the periman can't play for him. They've they've
Speaker 1: they've kind of given up on him a little bit.
Speaker 1: Don't give up on him. Yeah Yeah, all right, Well
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Speaker 1: Absolutely rob no further the Twitter poll, Oh, let's talk draft.
Speaker 1: How come I couldn't find it because you're old? I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. It's not hard. You just go
Speaker 1: to the account and scroll down. I went to at well,
Speaker 1: I'm good, Gosh, I'm incompetent. Maybe I'm not that hard.
Speaker 1: I would have gone then competent. That would have been
Speaker 1: the one I would have got. I went on talking Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I went to at Talking Cowboys Now, and I scrolled
Speaker 1: down twenty four hours worth of tweets, and I saw
Speaker 1: no pole. How high a draft priority is wide receiver?
Speaker 1: After Dez Bryant's release, Mickey, what's the choices first round?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna vote second round, third round or later, so
Speaker 1: three through seven, or hey, don't need one sign a
Speaker 1: priority free agent? Pretty good? Huh. Probably a bad buddy
Speaker 1: vote for that last one. Probably a bad idea on
Speaker 1: that one. You got two? Okay, Hey, there are a
Speaker 1: lot of receivers on this team right now, even without death. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are. So my answer, my vote would be at
Speaker 1: least by the third round, more likely the second. Okay,
Speaker 1: so second round, second round? Okay, how would that be
Speaker 1: hard to find? I just found it in two seconds,
Speaker 1: that's what I Yeah, So your vote a second round? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, Brian, I'm just gonna take their approach,
Speaker 1: the Taco approach. Yes, more receivers throughout the draft, in
Speaker 1: the second and third round than there are linebackers. So
Speaker 1: I don't think it's paramount Is that the right word? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 1: Paramount that they draft a wide receiver at the in
Speaker 1: the nineteen. I do feel like though at fifty they're
Speaker 1: gonna get some pretty good value there. And maybe if
Speaker 1: you don't do something with fifty as far as maybe
Speaker 1: you can move it up, you know, move that moved
Speaker 1: the fiftieth pick up and and that would be an
Speaker 1: opportunity to grab I think the run of those receivers
Speaker 1: is going to start, and they're the top of that
Speaker 1: second round. So it's kind of no man's land in
Speaker 1: a way if you don't draft one or you don't
Speaker 1: think the values they're at nineteen. But I think there's enough.
Speaker 1: There's there's a good depth at wide receive. I think
Speaker 1: there's a good Absolutely Mickey's right. And and so I'm
Speaker 1: going to take the Taco approach from last year. When
Speaker 1: they come out and they say why they drafted Vanderesh
Speaker 1: or why they drafted Evans, they're gonna tell us it's
Speaker 1: because they didn't feel like the depth at linebacker was
Speaker 1: nearly enough. But I include Sudden in that group of
Speaker 1: first round guys. You know they're going to consider you know,
Speaker 1: Sudden from smu More, you know from from Maryland, and
Speaker 1: then Ridley. So yeah, I just think there's too much
Speaker 1: good depth there for them to hit when it at
Speaker 1: at nineteen or have to hit one at nineteen. And
Speaker 1: vandersh I know there were reports yesterday that he flunked
Speaker 1: some part of his physical Yeah, he wasn't at the
Speaker 1: he wasn't at the medical rechecks. So that's that was
Speaker 1: just what they were reporting. Exactly. Yeah, what were you
Speaker 1: gonna say, t Stern from the five or five? And
Speaker 1: what you got? I said second round as well, because
Speaker 1: I think that if you look at this draft at nineteen,
Speaker 1: you know, if Brian's saying that at fifteen, Arizona is
Speaker 1: going to go get Ridley, and then now you're just
Speaker 1: working with more and you don't know necessarily more in
Speaker 1: Sutton too, Tay, Yeah, but more And if you if
Speaker 1: you're considering Courtland Sutton right, first round, right, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people didn't even consider Dj Moore in the
Speaker 1: first round to start this true draft evaluation, you're they've
Speaker 1: been looking at linebacker. Everything that I've seen that they've
Speaker 1: been putting out, I think they're probably going to go
Speaker 1: after a linebacker in the first round. They stay right, hey, Vita,
Speaker 1: great safety and the results were defensive tackle, the jasive tackle.
Speaker 1: But no, I meant safety at that position. Safety of
Speaker 1: that position. I got you, I'm safety at that position
Speaker 1: because a lot of times you think they're looking at that.
Speaker 1: The results were second round. Yeah, well they've kept themselves open.
Speaker 1: What are the results? So we all had second because
Speaker 1: I mocked linebacker receiver in our two cent why went
Speaker 1: you I did it. Yeah, yeah, I went the other way. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you would receive would yeah yeah, we'll see. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: fans agree second round forty nine percent, thirty eight percent
Speaker 1: say first round. Gotta get one at nineteen, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: So the other alternative, if this all works out the
Speaker 1: way you said, yeah, um can I can I pull
Speaker 1: off a somewhat of a Travis Frederick go down and
Speaker 1: trade down into the high twenties, low twenties. I'll take
Speaker 1: you why to look at like twenty seven, twenty eight.
Speaker 1: I'll take you to New England at twenty three, and
Speaker 1: I take my wide receiver lower and then get an
Speaker 1: extra pick, like maybe somebody's looking for me, because those
Speaker 1: linebackers will probably be gone if I get past twenty five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty three at New England will net you a third.
Speaker 1: If you go down to New Orleans at twenty seven,
Speaker 1: I'll get you three, and of four you go to Minnesota,
Speaker 1: thir y'all get you two if you play that games.
Speaker 1: To play that game, that's the trade that they made
Speaker 1: for Frederick, was to go down to thirty. I just
Speaker 1: go back to that though they've already got ten picks,
Speaker 1: Like how many picks do you need? Well, I can
Speaker 1: use that second to go back up. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: go back up fifty to you go back fifty to
Speaker 1: maybe to thirty four if you want to do that.
Speaker 1: That would cost you the straight three. Or I can
Speaker 1: trade for maybe a veteran safety. Yeah. Can I ask
Speaker 1: something real quick to Mickey on that one. You're really
Speaker 1: good with odds. Not I don't wan odds, but you're
Speaker 1: really good at getting information from people. Is that a rule?
Speaker 1: Is that a real talk? Is that real talk? I
Speaker 1: don't think it is real talk? Uh, in relation to
Speaker 1: what Seattle's been asking. Yeah, John's out of his mind, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if if I give him a third, i'd consider it. Sure,
Speaker 1: although he's not gonna make fourteen million a year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I need to talk to him if I'm gonna move.
Speaker 1: If it's gonna be a one year rental, now I'm
Speaker 1: not doing it. It's a one year rental, Yeah, with
Speaker 1: the with the hope that him resigning, I would say, okay,
Speaker 1: But I need I need to I need to talk
Speaker 1: to the player before, I need to before I do
Speaker 1: this deal. I need to talk to the player. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna play a baseball trade here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna I'm gonna rent him. Ye,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get sign. I'm not gonna give up
Speaker 1: a third round pick for a seven month guy. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna do that. Baseball they do that all the time.
Speaker 1: Brewer's got a guy from the Rangers now because of
Speaker 1: the catcher that's hitting. It's incredible. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: And they do it in hockey all the time at
Speaker 1: the trade deadline. But I'm thinking about though, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about that if I I'm thinking about fifty and I'm
Speaker 1: telling John Snyder, you don't have it too. You know,
Speaker 1: this is best off you're gonna get from me, so
Speaker 1: you know you can take it or not. And you
Speaker 1: know that's that's kind of where he will be picking.
Speaker 1: You know if he if he had it too, he'd
Speaker 1: be picking right in front of you. So that's kind
Speaker 1: of his spot. So he you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: though that I don't think he's gonna be able to
Speaker 1: resign the guy. I don't think the guy. I think
Speaker 1: that you know, John is smart enough to know that
Speaker 1: if I have to take the two and move on,
Speaker 1: I'll do it. I don't think he's just gonna hold
Speaker 1: on say I'm gonna make it work. I just don't
Speaker 1: think he's that type of guy saying. Here's another thing
Speaker 1: to consider in that scenario is the fact that they
Speaker 1: didn't designate des a June one release. True, And I'm
Speaker 1: told the reason they did it that way, even though
Speaker 1: they had to take the extra four million dollar hit,
Speaker 1: was they wanted the salary cap money now right it
Speaker 1: didn't want it June first, because if you do it
Speaker 1: June first, you don't get that twelve and a half
Speaker 1: million dollars base salary back till then you get that
Speaker 1: doesn't really help you. You get the three million from
Speaker 1: Scandric after June one, and you can use that for
Speaker 1: your basically a draft almost fun your draft almost you're
Speaker 1: probably a couple million short. But now they got that
Speaker 1: extra twelve and a half million right away, So that's
Speaker 1: about the money. That's something to consider of what their
Speaker 1: alternatives are, because look, you're not gonna use that in
Speaker 1: free agency now there's nothing left, no that's gonna cost
Speaker 1: you that. But if you trade for a guy, let
Speaker 1: me ask you this, anybody hearing anything about them by
Speaker 1: July getting something done with Lawrence a long term deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: have you heard anything. I have not, but it sounds
Speaker 1: like they still want to try. Yeah. I'm hearing some
Speaker 1: whispers on that one. And again that saves you money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that they know everybody's talking about Frederick, and
Speaker 1: I think they're just waiting for Frederick to sign off
Speaker 1: on the dealself. I'm sorry, I said, Zach my bed
Speaker 1: that's gonna get done at some point. Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: I had somebody somebody. Don't be surprised if we get
Speaker 1: make some progress on this Lawrence deal. I just think
Speaker 1: from Lawrence thinking even July, when we get to Oxnard
Speaker 1: kind of a thing, thinking a lout. Logically, they can
Speaker 1: basically buy him off of that if they get the
Speaker 1: signing bonus. Sure, all of a sudden you're gonna get
Speaker 1: say you get a seventeen million dollars signing bonus. Well,
Speaker 1: now I've got it four or five six months before,
Speaker 1: right would get it eventually. Right, that means a lot
Speaker 1: when you're talking that much money. Absolutely, you gotta get
Speaker 1: it done by July sixteenth. Yeah, all right. Coach John
Speaker 1: on Twitter wants to know everyone's definition of a number
Speaker 1: one receiver. He's asking that because you know, obviously we're
Speaker 1: talking about des was the obvious number one receiver here.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? I think it depends on the
Speaker 1: type of offense you have. You know, it's all it's
Speaker 1: all relative. And I don't, like I said, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think in this offense you have to have
Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna get you one hundred catches and
Speaker 1: fifteen touchdowns. It's not the way it was when Tony
Speaker 1: was running this thing most of his career, where it
Speaker 1: was pass happy. It's it's it's run oriented, and I
Speaker 1: think you just got to have a reliable guy who
Speaker 1: can threaten the most and has to draw an extra defender,
Speaker 1: help everyone else out in the passing game, get the
Speaker 1: get people to back off the running game. I think
Speaker 1: he's asking, what is the number one receiver? Number one
Speaker 1: receiver is when they break the line of scrimmage that
Speaker 1: defense is looking for eighty eight. He's Michael Irvin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great He's Randy Moss, He's the He's Tim Brown.
Speaker 1: It's not like question. Yeah, he's the unquestioned guy that
Speaker 1: when you're playing defense that you scheme against. He that's
Speaker 1: your number one receiver. That's the guy that's generally the
Speaker 1: X to me, it generally it's the guy that people say, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's we have to take this guy out of the game.
Speaker 1: He's the guy that's he's making the tough catches, he's
Speaker 1: running the routes, he's getting the touchdowns. Account you have
Speaker 1: to account him. You have to account for him every
Speaker 1: single play. You know, that to me, is your number
Speaker 1: one receiver. But Rob's right to a too. In teams
Speaker 1: that run the football, you know, you would say that,
Speaker 1: you would say that in Pittsburgh, Brown is the number
Speaker 1: one receiver even though they run the football just as well.
Speaker 1: But you have to scheme and try and stop him. Now,
Speaker 1: New England, who's New England's number one receiver? Do they
Speaker 1: have a number one receiver? We have been Brandon Cooks,
Speaker 1: but he's gone. Gronk is the one that everybody has
Speaker 1: to account for them. He is that Hman's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. They rank is the one that
Speaker 1: every snap he could he can. He's your daily hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's guys in that New England's and it's about
Speaker 1: the scheme. You know, they don't really have a number
Speaker 1: one wide receiver. If you think in the true sense
Speaker 1: of a wide receiver, they have they have several guys
Speaker 1: that you have to account for, especially Grinkowski that makes
Speaker 1: those plays down the field. That's but yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: to me, when I think number one receiver, I think
Speaker 1: of a guy like Michael Irving. So that's that's who
Speaker 1: I think of. Coach John, here's what a number one
Speaker 1: receiver is. It's fourth and two. We're about to tell
Speaker 1: a coach on the Packers thirty nine yard line. You're
Speaker 1: down by four points and you've got to score, and
Speaker 1: you throw it to the three yard line and the
Speaker 1: guy goes up and catches it. That's another one catches it.
Speaker 1: He catches it. Yeah, and he did catch it, by
Speaker 1: the way, and they're showing it right now. He did
Speaker 1: catch it. Yeah, Oh there it is. How about that
Speaker 1: for time he did catch it. We were all standing
Speaker 1: right there saying it was a Cat's a number one
Speaker 1: receiver that you trust him to go out. That's fourth play,
Speaker 1: fourth and two play right there. Point I thought he
Speaker 1: was going to dump it a basically believe that. In
Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen season, every defense the Cowboys played. I
Speaker 1: didn't say that as Brant was playing. I didn't say that.
Speaker 1: I didn't say that, but I know they knew where
Speaker 1: he was. And all you had to do is watch
Speaker 1: the game and watch what the safety was doing at
Speaker 1: the snap of the ball, or watch what the linebacker
Speaker 1: was doing at the snap of the ball, and you'd
Speaker 1: understand that they knew where Dez Bryant was. I think
Speaker 1: I think there. I think I think I think defensive
Speaker 1: coordinators does Bryant in the red zone, That's where I
Speaker 1: think they feared him. I don't think they feared him
Speaker 1: in the field of play as much as they feared
Speaker 1: him in the red zone. I think defensive backs know
Speaker 1: they were gonna get bullied, they were gonna get pushed,
Speaker 1: they were gonna get things. It's aggressive style of play.
Speaker 1: His his you know, it's like Jason Witton. People say, well,
Speaker 1: Jason Witton can't play anymore. You get Jason Witton inside
Speaker 1: the twenty. He has a really good understanding how to
Speaker 1: get space, how to get open, how to push off,
Speaker 1: how to rub. He doesn't have to run fifty yards
Speaker 1: every He's like, oh, you throw him the ball, he
Speaker 1: turns around, it's a hook, it's eight yards and the
Speaker 1: guy's on his back. When you get Jason Witton in
Speaker 1: the red zone, that's where he is the most dangerous.
Speaker 1: And that's where this offense, to be honest with Scuby Tay,
Speaker 1: the offense is ability to drive the football run run, pass, run,
Speaker 1: pass run. You know that. That's that ability to get
Speaker 1: Now you're get in the red zone, okay, yeah, you
Speaker 1: get close. You hand it to Zeke. It used to
Speaker 1: be you know, you know you were before you were here.
Speaker 1: Take there were times they get down the red zone
Speaker 1: on the goal line. It couldn't run it in and
Speaker 1: you throw it three times to Deaz and pray that
Speaker 1: you know that he would make a play one outfen Well, yeah, exactly, yes,
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. It drives people crazy. You
Speaker 1: think just handed off with who do you think they
Speaker 1: feared in the in the field of play? Then if
Speaker 1: des was red zone guy Beasley, Beasley, I think that Beasley,
Speaker 1: because Beasley Beasley was the Mickey hates the word targets,
Speaker 1: and he's right, that's a rung. But you have ninety
Speaker 1: something targets and he has ninety something catches. I mean
Speaker 1: he that that you're he converted. He was humming along.
Speaker 1: He didn't have any drops. They It's a simple little pass.
Speaker 1: You throw it to him, he runs. We saw him
Speaker 1: in the red zone. He just wore Green Bay out
Speaker 1: in the red zone. What do you act like he
Speaker 1: was gonna go inside and block Boom, explodes the outside,
Speaker 1: catches a touchdown. That's what That's what the thing is.
Speaker 1: Beasley is the guy that teams I felt like took
Speaker 1: away with the bracket. They didn't allow him to run
Speaker 1: the pivot routes and things like that he's really really
Speaker 1: good at. And because there was no Ezekiel Elliott for
Speaker 1: six games had a lot to do with that. I
Speaker 1: think because they were not worried about Alfred Morris burning
Speaker 1: him what they were worried about Dez. And to go
Speaker 1: back to this number one thing, you're saying, well, they
Speaker 1: were a running offense. Yeah, they were a running offense
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, righting, how many yards did Murray have seen? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Had like fourteen touchdowns. Yeah, Dez had a pretty dark
Speaker 1: and good season. Sure he did. I don't have his numbers.
Speaker 1: It was like here, it was like fifteen touchdown. I
Speaker 1: think a different quarterback though, Yeah, different quarterback quarterback that
Speaker 1: kind of understands had a manipulate with a running and
Speaker 1: it was a running attack Tony seventeen hundred yards. That's
Speaker 1: why they drafted Ezekiel Elliott to try and emulate or replicate,
Speaker 1: I said, replicate what they had. Then Tony Romo's best
Speaker 1: season down the stretch when DeMarco Murray got banged up,
Speaker 1: all the saying it's like, all right, now I could
Speaker 1: take the team, I could throw. Tony started doing things
Speaker 1: in the last month of the season that he had
Speaker 1: done really all his all his career is throwing the football. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: they drafted Ezekiel Elliott for Tony Romo just worked out.
Speaker 1: It beneficial for for Dak Prescott. Yeah, and great point
Speaker 1: about Dez. If you look last year his stats, he
Speaker 1: was still fifty five percent inside the twenty forty percent
Speaker 1: inside the ten that is above names like Brown, DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 1: Mike Evans. Yeah, forty percent inside the ten. It's like,
Speaker 1: to me, equivalent to a guy that shoots three pointers.
Speaker 1: Guess it was one hundred percent, said the ten receiver,
Speaker 1: Uh Grinkowski, Kelsey Kelsey, Yeah, Travis Kelsey of course, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I knew it was a tight end somebody Alvin Kamar,
Speaker 1: P what does that mean? A very good kent. He
Speaker 1: caught every pass, every every pass inside the ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so did Alvin Kamara. So did so. They never threw
Speaker 1: one over his head on purpose because nothing was open.
Speaker 1: Now they threw it to some other and he didn't
Speaker 1: get a target. Yeah, they get a target through it
Speaker 1: the hill here herell you'll take it over your head.
Speaker 1: Still the worst stat in the NFL. But no, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You're talking about a guy that converts
Speaker 1: forty percent of the time and on the inside the
Speaker 1: ten with a fuel shrinks. That's saying a lot to me.
Speaker 1: It is. Oh absolutely. I was just saying, you know
Speaker 1: some of the other names that you're comparing them too
Speaker 1: for elite receivers. So they gotta find that dude. They
Speaker 1: gotta find dude you can throw the fade up to.
Speaker 1: They gotta find that dude. When are you putting that
Speaker 1: mock draft up there? When is all that we got Friday?
Speaker 1: Mock draft, got a draft show of this Thursday. Coming
Speaker 1: up next Monday, We're gonna do the mock draft of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. We're gonna do a simulation that we're gonna
Speaker 1: on the draft show. Yeah, so we'll do a ten
Speaker 1: we'll do the ten pick mock draft of the Cowboys
Speaker 1: on Monday that night. How many of you trading? I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna trade in this sinking. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: They we'll have an opportunity, Well, we play. We've done
Speaker 1: this now for several years. We've kind of dained as
Speaker 1: a great job of up and back and so we'll
Speaker 1: figure that thing out. Well, we'll probably not take all
Speaker 1: our picks. Make you're wrong with the draft. We will
Speaker 1: have the schedule released at some point this week. Stay
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