WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Why Was Dez Released? 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:18.000 This. He's Talking Cowboys screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:27.400 World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Stay here are 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:33.320 Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brats, Rob Phillips, and Taylor Stern. Welcome 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:38.720 everybody into the s WBC Mortgage Studio. It is Talking Tuesday, 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:41.680 and we are back in the podcast studio. Ready, where 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:45.640 we renamed the show? What is it Talking Tuesday or 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.480 Talking Cowboys in the off season? We only have Talking 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.879 Cowboys on Talking Tuesday. So it's a hashtag. Oh, it 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:56.640 is a hashtag. I was just confused. That's your problem. 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.760 All right, glad you solved my problem. Can catch up? 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:03.400 We go, here, we go. It's good. He's in a 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.680 dry fit. He's filling cash. Do you go fishing or something? 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.840 I'm ready to right, he's ready to sell fishing for 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.880 a wide receiver. That's what we're gonna get to. So 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:17.680 how's everyone doing. It's April crazy time around here. Oh? Yes, 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:22.000 Draft season, right, Brian? Yeah, I'm getting you're ready down 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.000 to the end of looking at guys that are priority 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.399 free agents and and guys have probably seventh round guys. 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.240 They've got, you know, multiple picks. I don't think they're 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.560 going to use them all, but there's some guys to 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:33.320 kind of fill out this thing. So yeah, that part 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.080 of it's good. And yeah, we're just a few short 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:38.480 days away from this thing actually taking place, trying to 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:44.240 rebuild this team. How many supplemental picks do they have? Four? Right? Yeah, 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.440 well you asked me that question. I have that I've 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:49.480 got too many. Know they got four compensive gets four? Yeah, yeah, 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.360 I'm looking at how does everybody keep writing they have three? 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.040 I don't know because they trade one away. Let me 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.160 let me, I've got too many pieces of paper. I'm 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.320 like Mickey Spagnola here right now. I know that's good 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.280 bets story pick at one thirty seven, which is four 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:07.160 one thirty seven, fourth, compensatory pick five one seventy one, 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:13.440 and compensatory let's see six two o eight those are 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:16.120 compensatory picks. There's three, just three, just three? You know 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.280 why I thought it was four? Like there was a bunch, 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.920 like they had so many to use that. Oh, we 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:22.840 got all these week in trade. Kind of move them 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.840 around a little bit though. Well, if you are a 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.640 Cowboys fan, which I'm assuming you are, if you're listening 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:33.880 to this podcast, then your whole timeline. Your entire weekend 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.720 was spent talking with friends about Dez Bryant. This crew 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.919 that I'm sitting with was immediate. They have a podcast 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.760 of their instant reaction of Dez Bryant. And now that 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.920 we've had kind of over the weekend Monday, some other 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.240 things have come to light. You know, I asked the 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:52.519 guys prior to this show how they felt about Dez 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.799 Bryant's release from the team. We've had podcasts on this 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.560 for months now. But you know, Brian, you wrote in 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.000 yours writing on the wall. Yeah, it was clearly they're 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.480 writing on the wall, and you know it's it didn't 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.600 happen in a timely manner for Dez Bryant. But to 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.920 the front office, the Joneses, you know, you felt like 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.600 though that the way that they were looking at receivers, 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:15.120 and this goes all the way back. Rob and I 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:16.600 were happening to be at the Combine and they were 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.120 interviewing receivers at the Combine. They were going through a 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.960 lot of those guys. They got home and it started 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:25.079 to be okay, well, let's now figure out about free agency. 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.000 You know, they signed a couple of guys. They went 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:30.120 after a big fish and didn't land the big fish. 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.120 And you know, so now you're thinking, okay, wait, something's 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.000 up here. What are they gonna do. You're talking about 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.600 Sammy Sammy Watkins. Absolutely so, you know I And then 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.520 now you get into okay, we're having thirty visits. Well, 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:44.000 they've lined up a couple of first round receivers as 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:48.119 possible in my opinion, first round receivers with Ridley and Moore. 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.800 They're working out Shark, they're working out Kirk, they're working 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.280 out all these guys. So to me, they were still 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:57.640 hunting receivers. And you know, as as Dez Bryant probably 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.720 didn't get the word, you know, I just felt like 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.560 as we were going along, it was systematically the way 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.800 the scouting department was saying, Hey, we're looking for receivers. 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:08.880 We're going to have to make a movie or we 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:10.960 are going to make a move. And they had a 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:14.400 deadline on Monday, and they took the advantage on Friday 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.560 to get that done. I'm glad you brought up the combine. 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:20.200 And you guys know, it wasn't really until December. Des 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.839 Brandt kind of had almost like a press conference at 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.880 his locker if you guys remember it was a thirty 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.360 minute media session in the locker room where he kind 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.080 of explained everything. He talked about his injuries, he talked 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.640 about this season, and that was really the first time 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.400 a lot of people started questioning if he would be 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.600 on the team next year. I believe. I don't want 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.120 to say for sure, but I do believe it was 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.680 Todd Archer who asked him, are you going to be 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:45.719 a Dallas Cowboy next year? And that's when he said, 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.600 you know, I'm a bet on me and that kind 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:50.120 of stuff. And then that came to light. And then 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.080 at the combine, Stephen did speak and he said, we 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.599 were going to have these talks sooner rather than later. 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:59.560 It's been seven weeks. Sure of course you saw everyone 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:05.479 in Phoenix or yeah, you know, Bryan's right, Like the 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.760 riding was on the wall for months. If you if 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.400 you listen to Stephen only, it felt like this was 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:13.800 going to happen eventually, At least at the very least. 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.440 They were preparing for life without him, especially when they 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.360 signed al On Hearns and then when they started visiting, 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.040 you know, really taking a hard look at these top receivers. 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.760 You're like Okay, something has to give because you can't 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.080 pay all these guys thirty million bucks. There's not enough 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:30.080 balls to go around for all of them. And but 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.880 the one caveat was Jerry Jones. I was hesitant to 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.320 say for sure that he wouldn't be back because of 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:37.680 their relationship, and then when they get in a room together, 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.640 could something be worked out. Ultimately, they had a plan 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.240 to move forward, not even a June one post release, 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.440 just let's let's make this change, Let's eat the cap 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:53.160 money and let's move forward. And you know, there's there's 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:55.240 you could say, there's a couple of different reasons for 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:59.000 why they did it. Production compared to salary is probably 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.599 the number one. But if you listen to some things 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.120 that have been said, Stephen Jones talking about a couple 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.400 months ago having to control his emotions, Dez being better 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:11.279 at that, I think to some degree, locker room was 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.320 a consideration here with Doz. So there's a lot of 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:16.720 different reasons. The thing about it is in the statement 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.120 that Jerry is given last Friday. So far we haven't 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.600 gotten a concrete reason why they did it. I think 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.039 if you listen enough and read the tea leaves, it 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:25.800 had to do with, Hey, we can't pay him this 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.800 salary for the production you're getting, and that's ultimately why 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.680 they decided to move on absolutely. And then you brought 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.800 up Jerry Jones. He released a statement immediately and he did, 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.279 you know, he echoed pretty much everything you just said. 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.000 You know, he will always be a valued member of 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.280 our family. Des and I share a personal and professional 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.120 relationship that is very strong, and he's just one one 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:48.080 of just a handful of players of who I have 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.440 become that close to over the past thirty years. You 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:53.640 guys have seen that, Mickey, what do you think about 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:58.520 Jerry's comments? Well, I don't know about Jerry's comments. You know, 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:02.720 this supposed summit meeting wasn't the meeting. I think everybody 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.720 was portraying they had already made up their mind. There 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.520 was no oh, will he take a pay cut. He 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:13.440 was an offered to pay cut. They were decided that 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.960 I guess this was going to be addition by subtraction 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.160 because they're not a better football team without Dez Bryant. 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.760 Now behind the scenes, are they better? Well, they put 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.400 up with it for eight years, right, so now all 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:31.200 of a sudden, well we start hearing this and this 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:35.280 and this, and everybody's globbing on to stuff, and you know, 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:39.280 there's some people I talked to and it's like, you 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:45.040 want somebody that was disruptive, Go look at thirty two. Yeah, 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.440 eighty eight in practices and things like that, you know, 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:52.560 was not a problem. Sure, Now, was he late for meetings, Yeah, 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:54.680 he was always late for meetings for eight years. He 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.920 was late for meetings. He missed things, But that was him. Now, 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.840 did he need the care of those things better? Yeah? 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:05.520 I think so. I think they just decided that they 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:09.520 were turning this roster over and they weren't going to 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:13.000 spend that much money on that wide receiver with some 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.880 of the other stuff that was going on. But from 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:20.160 a production standpoint, you know, I keep reading about what 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.720 his production was over the last three years, but no 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:28.640 one points out that three years of football should be 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:32.120 forty eight games. He only played thirty six if you 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.120 look at the ones he didn't finish, the ones he 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.760 didn't play. And so when you look at it that way, 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:42.199 his production over those three years wasn't as bad as 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:46.480 everybody's portraying. And I still maintain now they're going to 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.800 have to make up for him. But whoever they bring in, 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.400 is he going to be a better receiver talent wise 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.640 than Dez Bryant. I don't think so. That's why I 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.000 think go ahead, take no, no, no, go ahead. What 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:59.880 we're gonna say, Well, I'd like to add something too, 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:01.360 if I could on that. I have some of the 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.080 stats if we weren't talking about Yeah, all right, so 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.079 you're talking about Dez Bryant, who will be turning thirty 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:10.240 years old this year. He has been, you know, making 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:14.000 this since he signed the huge contract in early twenty fifteen. 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:18.719 Richard Matthews has been a more productive NFL player over 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.440 the past three years than des Bryant. Since opening Day 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:25.320 twenty fifteen, Matthews verse Bryant, of course, Mickey points out, 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:29.840 you know Bryant has only had thirty eight games thirty six. Okay, Well, 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:33.079 why does I say thirty eight thirty eight? Oh? I 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.520 thought i'd say thirty six. Maybe I've miscounted, Yeah, it 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.960 was thirty eight, and then one hundred and fifty reception 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:47.560 yards receptions, Yeah, receiving yards two thousand and thirty five, 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:52.920 the average thirteen point six seventeen touchdowns. Matthews with you know, 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:56.120 three games above him had one hundred and sixty one 0:09:56.200 --> 0:10:01.840 receptions twenty four oh two receiving yard, so about four 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:06.240 hundred yards more. Yeah, average, fourteen point nine seventeen. Now 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.080 here's the difference between the two in those three years. 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:13.240 Richard's Matthews has made ten point six million dollars. Dez 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.880 Bryant in three years has been paid forty five million 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.720 dollars by the Dallas Cowboys. That's interesting. I'll say this, 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:22.040 how many games did he play? Forty one? If you 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.959 want to scratch the twenty fifteen season because of Bryant 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.960 missing seven games due to injury. Let's look at the 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:32.800 productivity after. Tyroll Williams and Jameson Crowder have more receiving 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:36.040 yards than Brant over the past two seasons. Tyrrell Williams, 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.200 he plays for the Chargers and in all, thirty six 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:42.760 players have more catches than Brian in twenty sixteen and 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:48.400 twenty seventeen combined. Can who was he playing with Chargers? Yeah? 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:52.280 The guy who was his quarterback by the way, not 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.520 big name guys you're you're referring to that numbers wise 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:57.960 could be better. That's interesting. I will say that there's 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.200 two schools that thought there I think you have to 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.600 look at the way this offense is structured, especially the 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:04.800 last couple of years, even going back to twenty fourteen 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.560 with DeMarco Murray. Receiver's numbers are going to take a 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:11.199 hit in this offense. So it's not He's not gonna 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:13.840 be a hundred catch guy in this system, and he 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:15.640 was okay with that as long as they were winning. 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.440 That's fair. Yeah, But to your point, Tay, I think 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:20.600 you mentioned the injuries. I think there's a school thought 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:24.360 that he is not the same guy he was in 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:27.320 twenty fourteen. He had all those foot and ankle injuries, 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.959 knee miss time. Maybe he's he's slowed down a little bit. 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:34.000 And this franchise is known for trying to let guys 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.640 go maybe a year early instead of a year too late, 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.120 and we've seen it with DeMarcus Ware that didn't work out. 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.000 So we'll see if this works out. But that is 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.040 a school thought that injuries had slowed him down to 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.680 the point where he's not getting away from guys as 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:50.880 much anymore. Hey, we'll see what happens. He might go 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:52.880 to another team and he looks like des Bryan from 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:54.679 twenty fourteen. We'll just have to find out. I've been 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:59.520 very critical of Jason Garrett throughout his coaching tenure here, 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.800 and I will say this, I will give him credit 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.880 though he was the last one that they had to 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:09.640 bring around. He was the last guy. He really he 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:14.320 was the one that deep downside had more They would 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:16.800 talk about Jerry Jones when they went around the room, 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.280 it was Jason Garrett that would had more pause than 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:24.880 everyone else. So with that being said, he gave it thought. 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.199 He gave it thought in the room, he said, hey, 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:28.839 you know, are we doing the right thing? And all 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:32.360 that I've it's been reliably reported to me that was 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.959 the case. So the fact that he was the last 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.240 one to come around, I think says something about, you know, 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.960 there was some worry that he really didn't have does 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:45.719 Bryant's back and so with you know, with all that, 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.560 he really he's the one that said, are we really 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.000 doing the right thing? And then as a group, and 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:55.040 I can only speak from experience that every time Jerry 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.040 Jones asked questions, it was about consensus. They're building a 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.880 draft board right now on consensus is what they're doing. 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:03.720 And so everybody had their opportunity to step up. But 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:05.719 I will say this that Jason Garrett was one of 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.880 the last ones to say, Okay, let's move, let's go 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:12.080 ahead with this move, you know, And so I would 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:13.400 have thought, well, maybe he would have been one of 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:15.320 the first ones. Yeah, maybe he was a guy that's 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:18.080 kind of leading the band, and that really wasn't the 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.360 case at all. Well, and I agree with you, Brian, 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.120 because of the fact we've spoken with Alan Hearns since 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.319 des Bryant was released and was straight up ast him, 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:27.840 did you know this was going to happen? And he 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:29.760 said no, I didn't realize he was going to be released. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.040 He hasn't been around, he hasn't seen him here or 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.120 spoken with him personally. But he did say that when 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.360 he was being approached about coming to the Dallas Cowboys, 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.719 it was well aware that there was going to possibly 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.959 be something offered to Dez as far as a pay cut. 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.520 They weren't sure yet, but there was a situation and 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:50.840 then Hearne's response, he was like, I'm a I'm a 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:53.480 wide receiver in the NFL. I know Dez, I know 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.480 the pride he has. I knew for something, you know, 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.440 to take a pay cut, that's hard. Of course, we 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.839 found out other things that have happened, but that shows that, 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.640 you know, Garrett wasn't completely ready to go. Yeah, And 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:07.959 one of the things Dez did was he reached out 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.720 to Garrett afterwards. He wanted to know if Garrett had 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.880 his back, and you know, and I'm sure that I 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.880 was not privy to that conversation, but like I said, 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.520 I do know that Jason Garrett had his pause about that. 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.040 And you know, a lot of people feel like though 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:24.440 maybe he was the ringleader in this and he was 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.680 the last one to come around. I was told, well, 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:33.400 that's in line with what Jason's been about all seven 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.360 years with Dez, eight years with Does. He's had Does 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.000 his back all the way through. I think the organization 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.640 has had Dez his back through with a lot of things, 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:42.800 a lot of things. Yeah, I think as a young receiver, 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:46.080 young man coming in, you know, Jerry Jones. I I 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.320 feel like though that Jerry Jones and Dez do have 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.440 an outstanding relationship with each other. And you know, I 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:55.040 think it was very difficult for Jerry Jones to make 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.040 this call. But again, he looks for a consensus in 0:14:58.080 --> 0:14:59.920 the room, and he trusts people. When he trusts the 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.120 opinion and those people now all know, you know, hey, 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.400 I'm the one guy that said let's go let's go 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:08.080 a different direction. And at the end of the day, 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:10.400 you know, those guys are going to have to answer 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:14.080 whether it works or not. They're gonna have to answer to, Okay, 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:16.880 we made a move here, it didn't work. You know, Ultimately, 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:20.280 it might help everybody's job, or it might get him fired. 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:24.080 That's really the bottom line with this business. But I 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.040 just feel like though that that the organization for a 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:28.800 lot of times. I think Dez will admit it, you know. 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.920 I mean, there are times when Dez went on his 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.480 own way and needed to be pulled back in. The 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.160 Joneses were there to pick the pieces up. You know, 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:40.320 He's he feels very fortunate that Jerry Jones, when he 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.080 didn't play a senior year at Oklahoma State, he still 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.240 got drafted in the first round. He feels very fortunately 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.600 contract I think the only regret that Dez Bryant has 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.760 to be honest with you guys, is the fact that 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.080 he didn't stick up for Tony Romo when Tony Romo 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.720 was healthy. I think that's the one thing he There's 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.520 not a lot of regrets he has but I think 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.960 that's the one that he that bothers him the most. 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.080 That you know is he knew it was right in 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.320 the locker room to stick up for Dak, you know, 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:06.960 the way the team was playing, the way they were 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.000 going forward. But if he goes, if he had to 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.080 do it all over again, I believe that he would 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.240 have said, I was stuck up for Tony Room because 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.840 Tony Romo was the guy that got him the contract. 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.160 It does has a ton of ability, but Tony Romo 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.280 was a big part of that great point because Rob 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:25.560 you were president. On Saturday, when Dak shared his response, yeah, 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.880 I mean he he spoke in nothing but positive terms 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:33.760 about Dez, called him a brother, said sad news. He said, 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:35.640 we've got to find a way to replace him, and 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.840 he said he's been thrown with Alan Hearns. Deonte Thompson 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:42.080 was on en route to get here and take part 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:45.120 in the voluntary offseason program which started yesterday. So he's 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.480 going to get in and work with those guys. And 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:49.440 he said, what, We'll figure it out. That's that's what 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:54.480 he said, trying to replace des his production. But to me, 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.640 you know, this reminds me so much Tay of nine 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:00.480 years ago. You remember when they let TiO go. You 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:05.600 mentioned addition by subpraction, Mick. That's what this is in theory, basically, 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:09.199 because there's not a guy that's has proven as Dez 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.560 Bryant at receiver on this roster. There just isn't. And 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.800 I think there's got to be a twenty eighteen version 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.760 of Miles Austin step in here and be a productive 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:19.480 guy in this offense. And to me, it's got to 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.080 be Alan Hearns because you can go draft a guy 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:22.960 in the first round or second round or third round. 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.639 It's a hard position to transition, very difficult. This is 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:28.920 a guy they signed not for a ton of money, 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:30.920 but he's been a thousand yard receiver, he's at ten 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.359 touchdowns in a season before. He's got to be the 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.879 guy that steps up and as a reliable guy for 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.240 Dak And that's to me, what they've got a bank on, 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.760 because right now, on paper, they're not They're not better 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:43.959 without him. So do you think Herns can do that? 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:46.959 We'll find out. I mean, I think that's kind of 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:50.640 that's the scary part of all. They think Ron will 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.240 will find out. Basis, what would you can we ask 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.719 you a question Mickey, and I think I know the answer, 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:56.840 but I just want to make sure I don't want 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.960 to get this wrong. You don't think that Dez's number 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:03.240 were poor this year, right? I think they were average? Okay? 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.159 If Alan Hearns does Dez's numbers this year, are we 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:09.560 okay with that? If you're probably okay with it because 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.920 he's only counting four point three millions, I'm just it's 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.639 not gonna be enough to help this Here's what but 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:18.200 I'm trying to say for you, I'm trying to say, 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.840 because you're gonna go, you're gonna tell me the offensive 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.080 line needs to be improved. Yes, And I agree with 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.359 you there one hundred percent. Get Cole Beasley going to 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.000 by the way, figure out something helped the quarterback there. 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.040 I feel like though that you need to get get 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.800 the running game. You know, let's hope that Ezekiel it 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.679 comes in, is in shape, ready to go, you know, 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.040 gets the ball from word go. It goes back to 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.600 what Rob's talking about with the offense. It's a run 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:44.600 first offense. But I think if if Alan Hearns puts 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:48.800 up Dez Bryant numbers and you have Mickey's offensive line, 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:54.000 approves and is running back improves that helps Prescott. I 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.560 think that's good enough. I don't think. I don't think 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:00.119 Alan Hearns has to be better than Dez Bryant. I 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:03.400 just think he has to have similar numbers to what 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.320 we saw. And again, hers being paid factor into that 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:08.760 at all. No, no, no, I just need money out. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.480 Take the money out. I just need Alan Hearns to 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.080 be I don't need him to be Dez Bryant four 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.359 years ago, three years ago. I need Alan Hearns to 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.720 be Dez Bryan in two thousand and sixteen. Which, again, 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:23.879 if you're saying he I think this was more about 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:27.800 personality than it is numbers. No, me and you, you 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:29.720 did a great job or reading a bunch of numbers. 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.440 And I'm thinking I'm sitting there thinking this doesn't have 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.280 anything to do with the locker room. This doesn't have 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.280 anything to do with the tardiness or the problems or 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.720 anything like that that that you know that people were 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:41.359 kind of dealing with. I think this is kind of 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:46.560 an eight year journey of Okay, we're tired, we're tired, 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:48.520 and but the production factors in, because if he was 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.000 putting up, but I don't think I don't think it's 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:56.199 the the overlying factor. Right if Hearns does what you 0:19:56.320 --> 0:20:01.000 just said, Yeah, and Ezekiel Elliott run for sixteen hundred 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:05.359 yards and the quarterbacks protected like he should have if 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:09.120 those things had happened last year, I don't think we're here. 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.480 Yeah right now. I don't think so either, because I 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.640 think there was other reasons. And I keep saying it. 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:19.800 Why he had sixty nine catches, sure, eight hundred and 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:24.240 some yards, sure, all right? And for six games? Who 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:28.800 were what, guy? Were defenses scared of? They took Beasley 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.120 out of the game. I know that, Yeah, and they 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.960 made sure Dez didn't beat him, sure, all right, because 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:37.679 they didn't fear the running back. Yeah. So now my 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:41.760 question is, when you don't have a wide receiver that 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:45.320 people fear, how much eight man front are they going 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:47.720 to face in this running game? Oh? I think, Mickey, 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.800