1 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: This. He's Talking Cowboys screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys 2 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Stay here are 3 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brats, Rob Phillips, and Taylor Stern. Welcome 4 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: everybody into the s WBC Mortgage Studio. It is Talking Tuesday, 5 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: and we are back in the podcast studio. Ready, where 6 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: we renamed the show? What is it Talking Tuesday or 7 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys in the off season? We only have Talking 8 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: Cowboys on Talking Tuesday. So it's a hashtag. Oh, it 9 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: is a hashtag. I was just confused. That's your problem. 10 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: All right, glad you solved my problem. Can catch up? 11 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: We go, here, we go. It's good. He's in a 12 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: dry fit. He's filling cash. Do you go fishing or something? 13 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: I'm ready to right, he's ready to sell fishing for 14 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: a wide receiver. That's what we're gonna get to. So 15 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: how's everyone doing. It's April crazy time around here. Oh? Yes, 16 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: Draft season, right, Brian? Yeah, I'm getting you're ready down 17 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: to the end of looking at guys that are priority 18 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: free agents and and guys have probably seventh round guys. 19 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: They've got, you know, multiple picks. I don't think they're 20 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: going to use them all, but there's some guys to 21 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: kind of fill out this thing. So yeah, that part 22 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: of it's good. And yeah, we're just a few short 23 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: days away from this thing actually taking place, trying to 24 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: rebuild this team. How many supplemental picks do they have? Four? Right? Yeah, 25 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: well you asked me that question. I have that I've 26 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: got too many. Know they got four compensive gets four? Yeah, yeah, 27 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: I'm looking at how does everybody keep writing they have three? 28 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: I don't know because they trade one away. Let me 29 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: let me, I've got too many pieces of paper. I'm 30 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: like Mickey Spagnola here right now. I know that's good 31 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: bets story pick at one thirty seven, which is four 32 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: one thirty seven, fourth, compensatory pick five one seventy one, 33 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: and compensatory let's see six two o eight those are 34 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: compensatory picks. There's three, just three, just three? You know 35 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: why I thought it was four? Like there was a bunch, 36 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: like they had so many to use that. Oh, we 37 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: got all these week in trade. Kind of move them 38 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: around a little bit though. Well, if you are a 39 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: Cowboys fan, which I'm assuming you are, if you're listening 40 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: to this podcast, then your whole timeline. Your entire weekend 41 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: was spent talking with friends about Dez Bryant. This crew 42 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: that I'm sitting with was immediate. They have a podcast 43 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: of their instant reaction of Dez Bryant. And now that 44 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: we've had kind of over the weekend Monday, some other 45 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: things have come to light. You know, I asked the 46 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: guys prior to this show how they felt about Dez 47 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: Bryant's release from the team. We've had podcasts on this 48 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: for months now. But you know, Brian, you wrote in 49 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: yours writing on the wall. Yeah, it was clearly they're 50 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: writing on the wall, and you know it's it didn't 51 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: happen in a timely manner for Dez Bryant. But to 52 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: the front office, the Joneses, you know, you felt like 53 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: though that the way that they were looking at receivers, 54 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: and this goes all the way back. Rob and I 55 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: were happening to be at the Combine and they were 56 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: interviewing receivers at the Combine. They were going through a 57 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: lot of those guys. They got home and it started 58 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: to be okay, well, let's now figure out about free agency. 59 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: You know, they signed a couple of guys. They went 60 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: after a big fish and didn't land the big fish. 61 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: And you know, so now you're thinking, okay, wait, something's 62 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: up here. What are they gonna do. You're talking about 63 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: Sammy Sammy Watkins. Absolutely so, you know I And then 64 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: now you get into okay, we're having thirty visits. Well, 65 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: they've lined up a couple of first round receivers as 66 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 1: possible in my opinion, first round receivers with Ridley and Moore. 67 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: They're working out Shark, they're working out Kirk, they're working 68 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: out all these guys. So to me, they were still 69 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: hunting receivers. And you know, as as Dez Bryant probably 70 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: didn't get the word, you know, I just felt like 71 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: as we were going along, it was systematically the way 72 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: the scouting department was saying, Hey, we're looking for receivers. 73 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: We're going to have to make a movie or we 74 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: are going to make a move. And they had a 75 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: deadline on Monday, and they took the advantage on Friday 76 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: to get that done. I'm glad you brought up the combine. 77 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: And you guys know, it wasn't really until December. Des 78 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: Brandt kind of had almost like a press conference at 79 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: his locker if you guys remember it was a thirty 80 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: minute media session in the locker room where he kind 81 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: of explained everything. He talked about his injuries, he talked 82 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: about this season, and that was really the first time 83 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people started questioning if he would be 84 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: on the team next year. I believe. I don't want 85 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: to say for sure, but I do believe it was 86 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: Todd Archer who asked him, are you going to be 87 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: a Dallas Cowboy next year? And that's when he said, 88 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, I'm a bet on me and that kind 89 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: of stuff. And then that came to light. And then 90 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: at the combine, Stephen did speak and he said, we 91 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: were going to have these talks sooner rather than later. 92 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: It's been seven weeks. Sure of course you saw everyone 93 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: in Phoenix or yeah, you know, Bryan's right, Like the 94 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: riding was on the wall for months. If you if 95 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: you listen to Stephen only, it felt like this was 96 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: going to happen eventually, At least at the very least. 97 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: They were preparing for life without him, especially when they 98 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: signed al On Hearns and then when they started visiting, 99 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, really taking a hard look at these top receivers. 100 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: You're like Okay, something has to give because you can't 101 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: pay all these guys thirty million bucks. There's not enough 102 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: balls to go around for all of them. And but 103 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: the one caveat was Jerry Jones. I was hesitant to 104 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: say for sure that he wouldn't be back because of 105 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: their relationship, and then when they get in a room together, 106 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: could something be worked out. Ultimately, they had a plan 107 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: to move forward, not even a June one post release, 108 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: just let's let's make this change, Let's eat the cap 109 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: money and let's move forward. And you know, there's there's 110 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: you could say, there's a couple of different reasons for 111 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: why they did it. Production compared to salary is probably 112 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: the number one. But if you listen to some things 113 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: that have been said, Stephen Jones talking about a couple 114 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: months ago having to control his emotions, Dez being better 115 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: at that, I think to some degree, locker room was 116 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: a consideration here with Doz. So there's a lot of 117 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: different reasons. The thing about it is in the statement 118 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: that Jerry is given last Friday. So far we haven't 119 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: gotten a concrete reason why they did it. I think 120 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: if you listen enough and read the tea leaves, it 121 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: had to do with, Hey, we can't pay him this 122 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: salary for the production you're getting, and that's ultimately why 123 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: they decided to move on absolutely. And then you brought 124 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: up Jerry Jones. He released a statement immediately and he did, 125 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: you know, he echoed pretty much everything you just said. 126 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: You know, he will always be a valued member of 127 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: our family. Des and I share a personal and professional 128 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: relationship that is very strong, and he's just one one 129 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: of just a handful of players of who I have 130 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: become that close to over the past thirty years. You 131 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: guys have seen that, Mickey, what do you think about 132 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: Jerry's comments? Well, I don't know about Jerry's comments. You know, 133 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: this supposed summit meeting wasn't the meeting. I think everybody 134 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: was portraying they had already made up their mind. There 135 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: was no oh, will he take a pay cut. He 136 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: was an offered to pay cut. They were decided that 137 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: I guess this was going to be addition by subtraction 138 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: because they're not a better football team without Dez Bryant. 139 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: Now behind the scenes, are they better? Well, they put 140 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: up with it for eight years, right, so now all 141 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: of a sudden, well we start hearing this and this 142 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: and this, and everybody's globbing on to stuff, and you know, 143 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: there's some people I talked to and it's like, you 144 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: want somebody that was disruptive, Go look at thirty two. Yeah, 145 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: eighty eight in practices and things like that, you know, 146 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: was not a problem. Sure, Now, was he late for meetings, Yeah, 147 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: he was always late for meetings for eight years. He 148 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: was late for meetings. He missed things, But that was him. Now, 149 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: did he need the care of those things better? Yeah? 150 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: I think so. I think they just decided that they 151 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: were turning this roster over and they weren't going to 152 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: spend that much money on that wide receiver with some 153 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: of the other stuff that was going on. But from 154 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: a production standpoint, you know, I keep reading about what 155 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: his production was over the last three years, but no 156 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: one points out that three years of football should be 157 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: forty eight games. He only played thirty six if you 158 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: look at the ones he didn't finish, the ones he 159 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: didn't play. And so when you look at it that way, 160 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: his production over those three years wasn't as bad as 161 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: everybody's portraying. And I still maintain now they're going to 162 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: have to make up for him. But whoever they bring in, 163 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: is he going to be a better receiver talent wise 164 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: than Dez Bryant. I don't think so. That's why I 165 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: think go ahead, take no, no, no, go ahead. What 166 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna say, Well, I'd like to add something too, 167 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: if I could on that. I have some of the 168 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: stats if we weren't talking about Yeah, all right, so 169 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: you're talking about Dez Bryant, who will be turning thirty 170 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: years old this year. He has been, you know, making 171 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: this since he signed the huge contract in early twenty fifteen. 172 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 1: Richard Matthews has been a more productive NFL player over 173 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: the past three years than des Bryant. Since opening Day 174 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, Matthews verse Bryant, of course, Mickey points out, 175 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: you know Bryant has only had thirty eight games thirty six. Okay, Well, 176 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: why does I say thirty eight thirty eight? Oh? I 177 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: thought i'd say thirty six. Maybe I've miscounted, Yeah, it 178 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: was thirty eight, and then one hundred and fifty reception 179 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: yards receptions, Yeah, receiving yards two thousand and thirty five, 180 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: the average thirteen point six seventeen touchdowns. Matthews with you know, 181 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: three games above him had one hundred and sixty one 182 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: receptions twenty four oh two receiving yard, so about four 183 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: hundred yards more. Yeah, average, fourteen point nine seventeen. Now 184 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: here's the difference between the two in those three years. 185 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: Richard's Matthews has made ten point six million dollars. Dez 186 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: Bryant in three years has been paid forty five million 187 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: dollars by the Dallas Cowboys. That's interesting. I'll say this, 188 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: how many games did he play? Forty one? If you 189 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: want to scratch the twenty fifteen season because of Bryant 190 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: missing seven games due to injury. Let's look at the 191 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: productivity after. Tyroll Williams and Jameson Crowder have more receiving 192 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: yards than Brant over the past two seasons. Tyrrell Williams, 193 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: he plays for the Chargers and in all, thirty six 194 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: players have more catches than Brian in twenty sixteen and 195 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen combined. Can who was he playing with Chargers? Yeah? 196 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: The guy who was his quarterback by the way, not 197 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: big name guys you're you're referring to that numbers wise 198 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: could be better. That's interesting. I will say that there's 199 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: two schools that thought there I think you have to 200 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: look at the way this offense is structured, especially the 201 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: last couple of years, even going back to twenty fourteen 202 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: with DeMarco Murray. Receiver's numbers are going to take a 203 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: hit in this offense. So it's not He's not gonna 204 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: be a hundred catch guy in this system, and he 205 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: was okay with that as long as they were winning. 206 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: That's fair. Yeah, But to your point, Tay, I think 207 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: you mentioned the injuries. I think there's a school thought 208 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: that he is not the same guy he was in 209 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. He had all those foot and ankle injuries, 210 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: knee miss time. Maybe he's he's slowed down a little bit. 211 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: And this franchise is known for trying to let guys 212 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: go maybe a year early instead of a year too late, 213 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: and we've seen it with DeMarcus Ware that didn't work out. 214 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: So we'll see if this works out. But that is 215 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: a school thought that injuries had slowed him down to 216 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: the point where he's not getting away from guys as 217 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: much anymore. Hey, we'll see what happens. He might go 218 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: to another team and he looks like des Bryan from 219 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. We'll just have to find out. I've been 220 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: very critical of Jason Garrett throughout his coaching tenure here, 221 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: and I will say this, I will give him credit 222 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: though he was the last one that they had to 223 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: bring around. He was the last guy. He really he 224 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: was the one that deep downside had more They would 225 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: talk about Jerry Jones when they went around the room, 226 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: it was Jason Garrett that would had more pause than 227 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: everyone else. So with that being said, he gave it thought. 228 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: He gave it thought in the room, he said, hey, 229 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 1: you know, are we doing the right thing? And all 230 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: that I've it's been reliably reported to me that was 231 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: the case. So the fact that he was the last 232 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: one to come around, I think says something about, you know, 233 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: there was some worry that he really didn't have does 234 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 1: Bryant's back and so with you know, with all that, 235 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: he really he's the one that said, are we really 236 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: doing the right thing? And then as a group, and 237 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: I can only speak from experience that every time Jerry 238 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: Jones asked questions, it was about consensus. They're building a 239 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: draft board right now on consensus is what they're doing. 240 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: And so everybody had their opportunity to step up. But 241 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: I will say this that Jason Garrett was one of 242 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: the last ones to say, Okay, let's move, let's go 243 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: ahead with this move, you know, And so I would 244 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: have thought, well, maybe he would have been one of 245 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: the first ones. Yeah, maybe he was a guy that's 246 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: kind of leading the band, and that really wasn't the 247 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: case at all. Well, and I agree with you, Brian, 248 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: because of the fact we've spoken with Alan Hearns since 249 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: des Bryant was released and was straight up ast him, 250 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: did you know this was going to happen? And he 251 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: said no, I didn't realize he was going to be released. 252 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: He hasn't been around, he hasn't seen him here or 253 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: spoken with him personally. But he did say that when 254 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: he was being approached about coming to the Dallas Cowboys, 255 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 1: it was well aware that there was going to possibly 256 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: be something offered to Dez as far as a pay cut. 257 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: They weren't sure yet, but there was a situation and 258 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: then Hearne's response, he was like, I'm a I'm a 259 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: wide receiver in the NFL. I know Dez, I know 260 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: the pride he has. I knew for something, you know, 261 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: to take a pay cut, that's hard. Of course, we 262 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 1: found out other things that have happened, but that shows that, 263 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: you know, Garrett wasn't completely ready to go. Yeah, And 264 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: one of the things Dez did was he reached out 265 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: to Garrett afterwards. He wanted to know if Garrett had 266 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: his back, and you know, and I'm sure that I 267 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: was not privy to that conversation, but like I said, 268 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: I do know that Jason Garrett had his pause about that. 269 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: And you know, a lot of people feel like though 270 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: maybe he was the ringleader in this and he was 271 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: the last one to come around. I was told, well, 272 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: that's in line with what Jason's been about all seven 273 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: years with Dez, eight years with Does. He's had Does 274 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: his back all the way through. I think the organization 275 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: has had Dez his back through with a lot of things, 276 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: a lot of things. Yeah, I think as a young receiver, 277 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: young man coming in, you know, Jerry Jones. I I 278 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: feel like though that Jerry Jones and Dez do have 279 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: an outstanding relationship with each other. And you know, I 280 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: think it was very difficult for Jerry Jones to make 281 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: this call. But again, he looks for a consensus in 282 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: the room, and he trusts people. When he trusts the 283 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: opinion and those people now all know, you know, hey, 284 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: I'm the one guy that said let's go let's go 285 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: a different direction. And at the end of the day, 286 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: you know, those guys are going to have to answer 287 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: whether it works or not. They're gonna have to answer to, Okay, 288 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: we made a move here, it didn't work. You know, Ultimately, 289 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: it might help everybody's job, or it might get him fired. 290 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: That's really the bottom line with this business. But I 291 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: just feel like though that that the organization for a 292 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: lot of times. I think Dez will admit it, you know. 293 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: I mean, there are times when Dez went on his 294 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: own way and needed to be pulled back in. The 295 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: Joneses were there to pick the pieces up. You know, 296 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: He's he feels very fortunate that Jerry Jones, when he 297 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: didn't play a senior year at Oklahoma State, he still 298 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: got drafted in the first round. He feels very fortunately 299 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: contract I think the only regret that Dez Bryant has 300 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: to be honest with you guys, is the fact that 301 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: he didn't stick up for Tony Romo when Tony Romo 302 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: was healthy. I think that's the one thing he There's 303 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: not a lot of regrets he has but I think 304 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: that's the one that he that bothers him the most. 305 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: That you know is he knew it was right in 306 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: the locker room to stick up for Dak, you know, 307 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: the way the team was playing, the way they were 308 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: going forward. But if he goes, if he had to 309 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: do it all over again, I believe that he would 310 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: have said, I was stuck up for Tony Room because 311 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: Tony Romo was the guy that got him the contract. 312 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: It does has a ton of ability, but Tony Romo 313 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: was a big part of that great point because Rob 314 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: you were president. On Saturday, when Dak shared his response, yeah, 315 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: I mean he he spoke in nothing but positive terms 316 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: about Dez, called him a brother, said sad news. He said, 317 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: we've got to find a way to replace him, and 318 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: he said he's been thrown with Alan Hearns. Deonte Thompson 319 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: was on en route to get here and take part 320 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: in the voluntary offseason program which started yesterday. So he's 321 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: going to get in and work with those guys. And 322 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: he said, what, We'll figure it out. That's that's what 323 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: he said, trying to replace des his production. But to me, 324 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: you know, this reminds me so much Tay of nine 325 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: years ago. You remember when they let TiO go. You 326 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: mentioned addition by subpraction, Mick. That's what this is in theory, basically, 327 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: because there's not a guy that's has proven as Dez 328 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: Bryant at receiver on this roster. There just isn't. And 329 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: I think there's got to be a twenty eighteen version 330 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: of Miles Austin step in here and be a productive 331 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: guy in this offense. And to me, it's got to 332 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: be Alan Hearns because you can go draft a guy 333 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: in the first round or second round or third round. 334 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: It's a hard position to transition, very difficult. This is 335 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: a guy they signed not for a ton of money, 336 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: but he's been a thousand yard receiver, he's at ten 337 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: touchdowns in a season before. He's got to be the 338 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: guy that steps up and as a reliable guy for 339 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: Dak And that's to me, what they've got a bank on, 340 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: because right now, on paper, they're not They're not better 341 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 1: without him. So do you think Herns can do that? 342 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,959 Speaker 1: We'll find out. I mean, I think that's kind of 343 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: that's the scary part of all. They think Ron will 344 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: will find out. Basis, what would you can we ask 345 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 1: you a question Mickey, and I think I know the answer, 346 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: but I just want to make sure I don't want 347 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: to get this wrong. You don't think that Dez's number 348 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: were poor this year, right? I think they were average? Okay? 349 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: If Alan Hearns does Dez's numbers this year, are we 350 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: okay with that? If you're probably okay with it because 351 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: he's only counting four point three millions, I'm just it's 352 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: not gonna be enough to help this Here's what but 353 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: I'm trying to say for you, I'm trying to say, 354 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: because you're gonna go, you're gonna tell me the offensive 355 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: line needs to be improved. Yes, And I agree with 356 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: you there one hundred percent. Get Cole Beasley going to 357 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: by the way, figure out something helped the quarterback there. 358 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: I feel like though that you need to get get 359 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: the running game. You know, let's hope that Ezekiel it 360 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: comes in, is in shape, ready to go, you know, 361 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: gets the ball from word go. It goes back to 362 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: what Rob's talking about with the offense. It's a run 363 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: first offense. But I think if if Alan Hearns puts 364 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: up Dez Bryant numbers and you have Mickey's offensive line, 365 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: approves and is running back improves that helps Prescott. I 366 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: think that's good enough. I don't think. I don't think 367 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: Alan Hearns has to be better than Dez Bryant. I 368 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: just think he has to have similar numbers to what 369 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: we saw. And again, hers being paid factor into that 370 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: at all. No, no, no, I just need money out. 371 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: Take the money out. I just need Alan Hearns to 372 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: be I don't need him to be Dez Bryant four 373 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: years ago, three years ago. I need Alan Hearns to 374 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: be Dez Bryan in two thousand and sixteen. Which, again, 375 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: if you're saying he I think this was more about 376 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: personality than it is numbers. No, me and you, you 377 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: did a great job or reading a bunch of numbers. 378 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking I'm sitting there thinking this doesn't have 379 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: anything to do with the locker room. This doesn't have 380 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: anything to do with the tardiness or the problems or 381 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: anything like that that that you know that people were 382 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: kind of dealing with. I think this is kind of 383 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: an eight year journey of Okay, we're tired, we're tired, 384 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: and but the production factors in, because if he was 385 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: putting up, but I don't think I don't think it's 386 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: the the overlying factor. Right if Hearns does what you 387 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: just said, Yeah, and Ezekiel Elliott run for sixteen hundred 388 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: yards and the quarterbacks protected like he should have if 389 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: those things had happened last year, I don't think we're here. 390 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: Yeah right now. I don't think so either, because I 391 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: think there was other reasons. And I keep saying it. 392 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: Why he had sixty nine catches, sure, eight hundred and 393 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: some yards, sure, all right? And for six games? Who 394 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: were what, guy? Were defenses scared of? They took Beasley 395 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: out of the game. I know that, Yeah, and they 396 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: made sure Dez didn't beat him, sure, all right, because 397 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: they didn't fear the running back. Yeah. So now my 398 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: question is, when you don't have a wide receiver that 399 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: people fear, how much eight man front are they going 400 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: to face in this running game? Oh? I think, Mickey, 401 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: when this offensive line was healthy in twenty sixteen, they 402 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: faced a lot of eight man line. I have some 403 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: some numbers on it, but there was at least there 404 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: was something to pay for when you did that. Cole 405 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: Beasley was to pay for well, from a short standpoint, 406 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: but one of thirteen games playing that way right. See 407 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: to me, I don't need Alan Hurns to be the MVP. 408 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: I need Alan Hurns to be sixty nine catches seventy 409 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: three catches liable. But he needs to be a threat 410 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: because they don't have anybody else that's going to stretch 411 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: the field that anybody's scared about. Okay, all right, well 412 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: let's take our break. Let's take our break. We're stopping 413 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: on the fact that Mickey doesn't think they have anyone 414 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: to be a fairy enough. 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But picking 476 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: Tommy John the right thing. I can't wait for our 477 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: double liners each show. Trade up for Tommy John, double 478 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: right up, right up for Tommy John. It is there 479 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: for you at every moment. Yes, so, yes, we are 480 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: back in here. And before we went to break, we were, 481 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: you know, of course, discussing Dez Bryan in the situation 482 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: that the team is in now, and Brian was bringing 483 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: to the point of, you know, Alan hearns having the 484 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: production of des Brent this past year seventeen, and Mickey, 485 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: I'll let you continue what you were saying. No, I 486 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: think if if, if he does that, and he doesn't 487 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: have to face not having Ezekiel Elliott for six games 488 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: basically the second half of the season, and not having 489 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: Tyrann Smith out there for what he missed three and 490 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: parts of two others, basically five games. So will that 491 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: be enough to offset the lack of a passing game? 492 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: See all this stuff? Would DAC two is the same thing? 493 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: If I hear one more time. They never could get 494 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: on the same page those last eight games in twenty sixteen. 495 00:25:55,080 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: The page was pretty good. Sure, forty three catches I 496 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: believe it was the second half of for six hundred 497 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: and forty six yards average, fifteen a catch and eight 498 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: touchdowns if you count the playoff game. What page were 499 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: they on? Right? But suddenly that page got ripped out 500 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 1: when they didn't have a running game and a threat 501 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: and they couldn't protect the quarterback. So I get tired 502 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: of seeing that sixteen here wore the numbers Mickey's right. 503 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: Of course, des Brand had ninety six targets. Only Cole 504 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: Beasley had ninety eight over him, So two more that's okay. 505 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: But of course you're looking at the production of Ezekiel 506 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: Elliott that you're kind of offsetting all of that. You 507 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: mentioned Cole Beasley. He offset anything that was happening. Jason 508 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: Witten had ninety five targets that you're in six hundred 509 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: and seventy three yards when des Brand had seven hundred 510 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: and ninety six. Just add the fact that you had 511 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: a dynamic, dynamic running back in Ezekiellett, because if the 512 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: run game ishm like it did in twenty sixteen, we 513 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: should have no issue. I said this on the podcast Friday. 514 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: Do you have to have a number one receiver in 515 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: this offense that puts up, like I said, one hundred catches. 516 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so, and I don't think 517 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: that's they're thinking. However, I agree with you, Mickey, and 518 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: that you do have to have somebody that can threaten downfield, 519 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: be reliable on third down for Dak, and keep the 520 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: chains moving. And to just think you've got an offense 521 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: built around the running game and you're gonna be fine 522 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: when Zeke's back. Just remember Christmas Eve, he comes back. 523 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: Everybody thinks, oh they're going to the playoffs, they're gonna 524 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: win out, they're gonna go to the playoffs. They put 525 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: up twelve points, they kick field goals. So you've got 526 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: to have a guy he can rely on and can 527 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: take the top off of defense, and you can argue 528 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: Dez isn't that guy anymore. Maybe that's what they decided. 529 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,239 Speaker 1: But you've got to find somebody who can do that. 530 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: And besides Cole Beasley, Jason Witten, work in the middle 531 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: of the field, running game, all that kind of stuff. 532 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: Gotta find somebody else can do that. Maybe the draft 533 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: will help. We'll see. Now my question to you, So, 534 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: everybody's numbers in the passing game went down, Yes, not 535 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: just Dez. Quarterback threw more passes and he threw more 536 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: he did. Okay, Dez numbers went down, Beasley's numbers went 537 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: down dramatically, Whitton's numbers went down dramatically. Williams then as 538 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: many touchdowns as the four of us put together. Right, So, 539 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: but somehow this all fell on Deza's shoulders. Money, I 540 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if it was money. I 541 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: think money. We talk a lot in this room about 542 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 1: how certain players are looked at to have higher performance 543 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: levels because of the contract they're playing under. We talked 544 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: about that with Tyrone Crawford. We talked about that with 545 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: they were going to bring Morris Clayborne back here. We're 546 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: talking about money. Money has been the thing that everyone 547 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: has been talking about when it comes. That's okay. If 548 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: they're talking about it, doesn't mean they're right now. The thing, 549 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: it's like, you're looking at the fact that this was 550 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: a receiver that was being paid to produce at Julio Jones, Antonio, 551 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, but he's not out there playing singles. 552 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: The thing about it is in Pittsburgh. But Stephen Jones 553 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: did say repeatedly, we've got to look at his number. Oh, 554 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: I understand relationship production. I mean, he he gave everybody 555 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: fair warning that this is going to happen. I mean 556 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: he really did. If you listen just to Stephen, you 557 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: we probably should have known this was coming. I feel 558 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: like that with Brown, it's a different player. He does 559 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: come from a system that runs the football for a 560 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: different type of player. About Julio Jones, Julio Jones, I 561 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: think is I think that the Atlanta does a really 562 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: good job with their system and the way that they 563 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: get their receivers open. That's why I think des needs 564 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: to go to San Francisco because a lot of things 565 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: in place in Atlanta was kind of is now in 566 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: San Francisco. I think I think that Julio Jones is 567 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: like Brown. I think he's an elite receiver. I think 568 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: he's got the eliteability to get open for a big guy. 569 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: He runs his routes better than Dez. He separates better 570 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: than Dez where they're very comparable, though as they make 571 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: tested plays. Dez didn't make as many contested plays this 572 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: year as he had in the past. Is that Matt 573 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: Ryan throwing the football better to Julio Jones. Well, you know, 574 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: let's see what that's all about. But I kind of 575 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: feel like though that to me, I look at more 576 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: Tay and Rob, you're right, Steven Jones told us. But 577 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: as Steven Jones gonna come out, he did say though 578 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: about the outburst he did, he did, he did offer 579 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: that as a reason it all goes together. Yeah, and 580 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: so you know, so for me to sit here and say, Tay, no, 581 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: you're wrong, that's not that's not right. But what I 582 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: will say is I think the I think that the 583 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: things that for eight the last eight years, I think 584 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: there's clearly some people within the coaching staff, front office, players, 585 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: teammates that it had enough. And that's where Jerry Jones 586 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: had to say, Okay, you and you and you, what 587 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: do you think? And that's that's where this came. I 588 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: think I don't think they worried about the money as 589 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: much as we kind of are talking about right now. 590 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: I think it was more about I just can't take 591 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: this anymore. I can't take this anymore. And you know 592 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: it wears production on this. He catches one or two 593 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: more of those balls, you know a game. I mean 594 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: he had some drops. He had more drops he's ever 595 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: had the league. That's what I'm saying. That's not a 596 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: Dez Bryant type of a situation there, So he catches those. 597 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: Mickey's right, it might be we're not might might be 598 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: talking about this one more catch a game. That's that's 599 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: kind of I agree. He had twelve drops. Yeah, if 600 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: he was twenty fourteen day at twelve drops, yes, he 601 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: would catches. He would be here right now, my opinion. 602 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: If he was putting up big time numbers, whatever they're 603 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: saying is an issue in the locker room, they would 604 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: have found the way to deal with it. If he 605 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: was a guy that Dak really relied on and needed 606 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: in this offense, he'd be here. Nicky someone tweeted and said, 607 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: do you not think that Deontay Thompson can stretch the field? 608 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: He's a speedster. Well, I don't know. Has he done it? Yeah, 609 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: I've just known from the film. I'll answer that for Micky. 610 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: It's not a fair question to him. I'm the one 611 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: sits there and acts like an idiot watching tape all day. 612 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: It's a it's a when you look at Thompson the 613 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: way he plays. In matter of fact, am Garcia and 614 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: I broke down a play of him for some almost 615 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: where you do you see the vertical where he eats 616 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: the cushion they have the you know they have the 617 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: cornerback for the Jets is sitting at maybe at twelve yards, 618 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Thompson is on him and 619 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: then now past him. I think that's where you need 620 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: to figure out how to use that guy. Maybe they 621 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: didn't figure out how to use Bryce Butler. Butler, Yeah, 622 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: but he's Bryce Butler with more inside game, more inside routes, 623 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: more things in the middle of the field. The numbers 624 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: aren't huge, but when you throw him the ball, he 625 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: seems to come up with plays. He made some seriously 626 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: good acrobatic catches with wide passes where he's having to adjust, 627 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: So he gives me a little hope that way as 628 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: far as can he be a guy that separates, but 629 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: can he be a more complete receiver? You know, we 630 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: got to figure out how to get the ball to 631 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: Beasley Again, like I keep saying, you got to figure 632 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: out Hearns. Whoever they draft, they're gonna have to figure 633 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: out how to get the ball to him. Thompson could 634 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: be a very nice little supplemental piece to what you're 635 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: trying to do. Again, I should we showed you that 636 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: the separation, the closing of the cushion, those are things 637 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: he can do. So you know, we've talked about the 638 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: fact that cool Beasley needs to get it more involved. 639 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: Mikey brought it up. Terrence Williams garro touchdowns on the 640 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: year with Deza's absence. Now, is this going to help 641 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: evaluate really how Terrence Williams can be here? Can I 642 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: I'm just letna chime in. If they draft, if they 643 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: draft Calvin Ridley really will be your Z. He should 644 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: be your Z. He's a better player than Terence Williams. 645 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: And Terrence Willis becomes Bryce Butler exactly or becomes a 646 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: guy they put in the game to block or occasional 647 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, loose play. Terrence Williams's greatest strength this is 648 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: ability to find space when things break down. That's as 649 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: great at strength, you know. And and he didn't. They 650 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: didn't get him the ball in the end zone. He 651 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: didn't have those red zone touchdowns. You know that we 652 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: or we see from him because of him finding space. 653 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: But they if they draft Calvin Ridley, Calvin Ridley will 654 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: be your see and they will put him out there 655 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: and let him go. And I talk about how receivers 656 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: are hard transition, and I don't watch as much tape, 657 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: nearly as much tape as you do, obviously, but he's 658 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: ready made to step in and be a good receiver 659 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: in this league. He runs, his routes are great, He's 660 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: he played in a pro style offense. I've watched enough 661 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: Bama to this guy's ready to play in the NFL. Yeah. 662 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: I like that. We brought up Bryce Butler because I 663 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: don't know if you guys saw Bryce Butler's response when 664 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: they asked him if they'd want Dez Bryan on the Cardinals. 665 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: Of course people were looking at that, and he said, whatever, 666 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: we need to help the team. But look, I'm trying 667 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: to ball out. Does is my guy, but I don't 668 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 1: want him on my team making it harder for me 669 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: to get where I need to go. You know what 670 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying. They got Larry Fitzgerald who'll make every single catch. 671 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: Throw out that it's already making it hard. Yeah, that's sorry, 672 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: make it. And they've got a running back too that 673 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: catches a hundred balls a year when he's healthy. So yeah, 674 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: Bryce Butler, you're gonna probably have thirteen catches again this year. 675 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: Get ready guy should like he picks terrible teams. He 676 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: got traded here, but he has to start right. Guys, 677 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: he loves golf. You look good. The golf outfits. Guy 678 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: should walk around with a ten second delay. No, Bryce Butler, 679 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: Just like when you say something, I think about it 680 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: and then you go, okay, I want that back. We 681 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: all need that sometimes. Yeah, you included not me? Oh never? Never. 682 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,399 Speaker 1: Why would he say something like that. I think he's 683 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: been honest. Well, no, he probably is, but I don't 684 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 1: think that's to his benefit. Who's hurt. So basically he's 685 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: telling the Cardinals, Hey, I'm your guy, and don't bring 686 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: anybody else. In here to compete with me, take catch 687 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: us away from me. Get ready to have a mock 688 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: draft where Ridley goes to Arizona fifteen because they don't 689 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: get a quarterback. Yeah. Oh and then sorry Bryce, Sorry. 690 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: Bryce's kind of like when Alfred again, he's in golf 691 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: Heaven there, you know, he got the dead her mountain 692 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: and knock it around. He'll figure out though that it's 693 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: he had to take one less club to hit the 694 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: ball because of the air. That's always the downside of 695 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: a free agency. You go somewhere and you think, Okay, 696 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: now I'm the guy, and then they draft somebody. Well, 697 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,879 Speaker 1: honestly though, Alfred Morris, yeah, he talked about he talked 698 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: about San Francisco, and San Francisco is a really good 699 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: fit for a wide receiver because he and his Pierre 700 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: Garson and Goodwin or early their guys Garoppolo. Yeah, and 701 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: you got Garoppolo. You got a coach and knows how 702 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: to use a big receiver. I've said that before. It 703 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: does Bryant. I hope does Brian does end up in 704 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: San Francisco. That'd be a great fit for him. He 705 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: wouldn't see us twice a year though, No, he's gonna 706 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: that he's gonna in Houston see us next year for 707 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: twice preseason report season. Yeah, the reports are he'd love 708 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: to go to the Giants and play with O. B J. 709 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: The reports I've been seen is that the Ravens are 710 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: very interested in him. They were the first time in 711 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,879 Speaker 1: two Yeah. I was telling Brian that'd be a great 712 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: fit for him because it's a veteran quarterback, good quarterback, 713 00:36:53,800 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: great organization, strong, accountable, strong GM leadership on that team. 714 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: Got thirty receivers on the roster too. Yeah, but they 715 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: they're looking for one. The plays they always do the 716 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: Ravens are they look at look for receiver. I think 717 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: that'd be the best fit for him. But what about Detroit, 718 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: go replace Megatron. It's like Baltimore the quarterback. Baltimore has 719 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: become last chance you for receivers. Oh there's that last 720 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: chance again, right, Yeah, I mean they've brought in a 721 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: bunch of Oh they are tread they have a ton receivers. Yeah, 722 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: it's because the periman can't play for him. They've they've 723 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: they've kind of given up on him a little bit. 724 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: Don't give up on him. Yeah Yeah, all right, Well 725 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: let's take our last break. When we come back, we 726 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: will have Rob's Twitter poll and we will wrap up 727 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: everything that's happening here at this start in Frisco. Join 728 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: us right after that. Cowboys fans know that the second 729 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: best of anything simply won't cut it, and your skincare 730 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: should be no different. 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This 766 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: is talking cowboys, and if we're talking cowboys, we're still 767 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: talking Papa John's pizza, especially with the draft coming up. 768 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,839 Speaker 1: Nine dat three, Buddy needs a pizza on Thursday night 769 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: during the draft, and Papa John's, I'll have it for you. 770 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: With those great ingredients veggies, the pepperoni, and with ingredients 771 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: like that, you have better pizza. And it's Papa John. 772 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:11,919 Speaker 1: Absolutely rob no further the Twitter poll, Oh, let's talk draft. 773 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: How come I couldn't find it because you're old? I 774 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 1: don't I don't know. It's not hard. You just go 775 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 1: to the account and scroll down. I went to at well, 776 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 1: I'm good, Gosh, I'm incompetent. Maybe I'm not that hard. 777 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: I would have gone then competent. That would have been 778 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: the one I would have got. I went on talking Tuesday. 779 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: I went to at Talking Cowboys Now, and I scrolled 780 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,959 Speaker 1: down twenty four hours worth of tweets, and I saw 781 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,720 Speaker 1: no pole. How high a draft priority is wide receiver? 782 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: After Dez Bryant's release, Mickey, what's the choices first round? 783 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna vote second round, third round or later, so 784 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 1: three through seven, or hey, don't need one sign a 785 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: priority free agent? Pretty good? Huh. Probably a bad buddy 786 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: vote for that last one. Probably a bad idea on 787 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: that one. You got two? Okay, Hey, there are a 788 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: lot of receivers on this team right now, even without death. Yeah, 789 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: there are. So my answer, my vote would be at 790 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: least by the third round, more likely the second. Okay, 791 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: so second round, second round? Okay, how would that be 792 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: hard to find? I just found it in two seconds, 793 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: that's what I Yeah, So your vote a second round? Yeah, 794 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: you know what, Brian, I'm just gonna take their approach, 795 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: the Taco approach. Yes, more receivers throughout the draft, in 796 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: the second and third round than there are linebackers. So 797 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: I don't think it's paramount Is that the right word? Yes? Okay? 798 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: Paramount that they draft a wide receiver at the in 799 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: the nineteen. I do feel like though at fifty they're 800 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 1: gonna get some pretty good value there. And maybe if 801 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: you don't do something with fifty as far as maybe 802 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,839 Speaker 1: you can move it up, you know, move that moved 803 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: the fiftieth pick up and and that would be an 804 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: opportunity to grab I think the run of those receivers 805 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: is going to start, and they're the top of that 806 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: second round. So it's kind of no man's land in 807 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: a way if you don't draft one or you don't 808 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,439 Speaker 1: think the values they're at nineteen. But I think there's enough. 809 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: There's there's a good depth at wide receive. I think 810 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,799 Speaker 1: there's a good Absolutely Mickey's right. And and so I'm 811 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: going to take the Taco approach from last year. When 812 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: they come out and they say why they drafted Vanderesh 813 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,879 Speaker 1: or why they drafted Evans, they're gonna tell us it's 814 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: because they didn't feel like the depth at linebacker was 815 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 1: nearly enough. But I include Sudden in that group of 816 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 1: first round guys. You know they're going to consider you know, 817 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: Sudden from smu More, you know from from Maryland, and 818 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: then Ridley. So yeah, I just think there's too much 819 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: good depth there for them to hit when it at 820 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: at nineteen or have to hit one at nineteen. And 821 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,800 Speaker 1: vandersh I know there were reports yesterday that he flunked 822 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: some part of his physical Yeah, he wasn't at the 823 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: he wasn't at the medical rechecks. So that's that was 824 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 1: just what they were reporting. Exactly. Yeah, what were you 825 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: gonna say, t Stern from the five or five? And 826 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: what you got? I said second round as well, because 827 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: I think that if you look at this draft at nineteen, 828 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,840 Speaker 1: you know, if Brian's saying that at fifteen, Arizona is 829 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,319 Speaker 1: going to go get Ridley, and then now you're just 830 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,800 Speaker 1: working with more and you don't know necessarily more in 831 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: Sutton too, Tay, Yeah, but more And if you if 832 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: you're considering Courtland Sutton right, first round, right, and a 833 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 1: lot of people didn't even consider Dj Moore in the 834 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: first round to start this true draft evaluation, you're they've 835 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,399 Speaker 1: been looking at linebacker. Everything that I've seen that they've 836 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: been putting out, I think they're probably going to go 837 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: after a linebacker in the first round. They stay right, hey, Vita, 838 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,240 Speaker 1: great safety and the results were defensive tackle, the jasive tackle. 839 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 1: But no, I meant safety at that position. Safety of 840 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 1: that position. I got you, I'm safety at that position 841 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: because a lot of times you think they're looking at that. 842 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: The results were second round. Yeah, well they've kept themselves open. 843 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 1: What are the results? So we all had second because 844 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: I mocked linebacker receiver in our two cent why went 845 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,799 Speaker 1: you I did it. Yeah, yeah, I went the other way. Okay, Yeah, 846 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: you would receive would yeah yeah, we'll see. Okay, yeah, 847 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 1: fans agree second round forty nine percent, thirty eight percent 848 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: say first round. Gotta get one at nineteen, so we'll see. 849 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 1: So the other alternative, if this all works out the 850 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: way you said, yeah, um can I can I pull 851 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 1: off a somewhat of a Travis Frederick go down and 852 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: trade down into the high twenties, low twenties. I'll take 853 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: you why to look at like twenty seven, twenty eight. 854 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 1: I'll take you to New England at twenty three, and 855 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 1: I take my wide receiver lower and then get an 856 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 1: extra pick, like maybe somebody's looking for me, because those 857 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: linebackers will probably be gone if I get past twenty five. Yeah, 858 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,880 Speaker 1: twenty three at New England will net you a third. 859 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,439 Speaker 1: If you go down to New Orleans at twenty seven, 860 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: I'll get you three, and of four you go to Minnesota, 861 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: thir y'all get you two if you play that games. 862 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 1: To play that game, that's the trade that they made 863 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 1: for Frederick, was to go down to thirty. I just 864 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,240 Speaker 1: go back to that though they've already got ten picks, 865 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 1: Like how many picks do you need? Well, I can 866 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 1: use that second to go back up. Yeah, you can 867 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,320 Speaker 1: go back up fifty to you go back fifty to 868 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,359 Speaker 1: maybe to thirty four if you want to do that. 869 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: That would cost you the straight three. Or I can 870 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: trade for maybe a veteran safety. Yeah. Can I ask 871 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,839 Speaker 1: something real quick to Mickey on that one. You're really 872 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 1: good with odds. Not I don't wan odds, but you're 873 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,480 Speaker 1: really good at getting information from people. Is that a rule? 874 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,719 Speaker 1: Is that a real talk? Is that real talk? I 875 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:46,280 Speaker 1: don't think it is real talk? Uh, in relation to 876 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 1: what Seattle's been asking. Yeah, John's out of his mind, right, Yeah, 877 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:58,319 Speaker 1: if if I give him a third, i'd consider it. Sure, 878 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: although he's not gonna make fourteen million a year. Yeah, 879 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 1: I need to talk to him if I'm gonna move. 880 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,399 Speaker 1: If it's gonna be a one year rental, now I'm 881 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,279 Speaker 1: not doing it. It's a one year rental, Yeah, with 882 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 1: the with the hope that him resigning, I would say, okay, 883 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,799 Speaker 1: But I need I need to I need to talk 884 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,759 Speaker 1: to the player before, I need to before I do 885 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 1: this deal. I need to talk to the player. Right, 886 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna play a baseball trade here. Yeah, 887 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,880 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna I'm gonna rent him. Ye, 888 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,880 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get sign. I'm not gonna give up 889 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,399 Speaker 1: a third round pick for a seven month guy. I'm 890 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,319 Speaker 1: not gonna do that. Baseball they do that all the time. 891 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: Brewer's got a guy from the Rangers now because of 892 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 1: the catcher that's hitting. It's incredible. I'm not doing that. 893 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,920 Speaker 1: And they do it in hockey all the time at 894 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,560 Speaker 1: the trade deadline. But I'm thinking about though, I'm thinking 895 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: about that if I I'm thinking about fifty and I'm 896 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,839 Speaker 1: telling John Snyder, you don't have it too. You know, 897 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 1: this is best off you're gonna get from me, so 898 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: you know you can take it or not. And you 899 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: know that's that's kind of where he will be picking. 900 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:54,879 Speaker 1: You know if he if he had it too, he'd 901 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,480 Speaker 1: be picking right in front of you. So that's kind 902 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 1: of his spot. So he you know, I feel like 903 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,759 Speaker 1: though that I don't think he's gonna be able to 904 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 1: resign the guy. I don't think the guy. I think 905 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,399 Speaker 1: that you know, John is smart enough to know that 906 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,879 Speaker 1: if I have to take the two and move on, 907 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,279 Speaker 1: I'll do it. I don't think he's just gonna hold 908 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: on say I'm gonna make it work. I just don't 909 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: think he's that type of guy saying. Here's another thing 910 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:21,439 Speaker 1: to consider in that scenario is the fact that they 911 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: didn't designate des a June one release. True, And I'm 912 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,359 Speaker 1: told the reason they did it that way, even though 913 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,759 Speaker 1: they had to take the extra four million dollar hit, 914 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 1: was they wanted the salary cap money now right it 915 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 1: didn't want it June first, because if you do it 916 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,359 Speaker 1: June first, you don't get that twelve and a half 917 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 1: million dollars base salary back till then you get that 918 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,399 Speaker 1: doesn't really help you. You get the three million from 919 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,799 Speaker 1: Scandric after June one, and you can use that for 920 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,920 Speaker 1: your basically a draft almost fun your draft almost you're 921 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 1: probably a couple million short. But now they got that 922 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,879 Speaker 1: extra twelve and a half million right away, So that's 923 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,439 Speaker 1: about the money. That's something to consider of what their 924 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: alternatives are, because look, you're not gonna use that in 925 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,560 Speaker 1: free agency now there's nothing left, no that's gonna cost 926 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,319 Speaker 1: you that. But if you trade for a guy, let 927 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,719 Speaker 1: me ask you this, anybody hearing anything about them by 928 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: July getting something done with Lawrence a long term deal. Yeah, 929 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,560 Speaker 1: have you heard anything. I have not, but it sounds 930 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,359 Speaker 1: like they still want to try. Yeah. I'm hearing some 931 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:43,440 Speaker 1: whispers on that one. And again that saves you money. Yeah, 932 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,839 Speaker 1: I think that they know everybody's talking about Frederick, and 933 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,879 Speaker 1: I think they're just waiting for Frederick to sign off 934 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,879 Speaker 1: on the dealself. I'm sorry, I said, Zach my bed 935 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,560 Speaker 1: that's gonna get done at some point. Yeah, but they 936 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 1: I had somebody somebody. Don't be surprised if we get 937 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,960 Speaker 1: make some progress on this Lawrence deal. I just think 938 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 1: from Lawrence thinking even July, when we get to Oxnard 939 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,239 Speaker 1: kind of a thing, thinking a lout. Logically, they can 940 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 1: basically buy him off of that if they get the 941 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,480 Speaker 1: signing bonus. Sure, all of a sudden you're gonna get 942 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,680 Speaker 1: say you get a seventeen million dollars signing bonus. Well, 943 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,120 Speaker 1: now I've got it four or five six months before, 944 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,040 Speaker 1: right would get it eventually. Right, that means a lot 945 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,520 Speaker 1: when you're talking that much money. Absolutely, you gotta get 946 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,880 Speaker 1: it done by July sixteenth. Yeah, all right. Coach John 947 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,880 Speaker 1: on Twitter wants to know everyone's definition of a number 948 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:41,319 Speaker 1: one receiver. He's asking that because you know, obviously we're 949 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,399 Speaker 1: talking about des was the obvious number one receiver here. 950 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,759 Speaker 1: What does that mean? I think it depends on the 951 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,520 Speaker 1: type of offense you have. You know, it's all it's 952 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,799 Speaker 1: all relative. And I don't, like I said, I don't. 953 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,759 Speaker 1: I don't think in this offense you have to have 954 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna get you one hundred catches and 955 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,120 Speaker 1: fifteen touchdowns. It's not the way it was when Tony 956 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 1: was running this thing most of his career, where it 957 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,279 Speaker 1: was pass happy. It's it's it's run oriented, and I 958 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: think you just got to have a reliable guy who 959 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 1: can threaten the most and has to draw an extra defender, 960 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,000 Speaker 1: help everyone else out in the passing game, get the 961 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 1: get people to back off the running game. I think 962 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,399 Speaker 1: he's asking, what is the number one receiver? Number one 963 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,239 Speaker 1: receiver is when they break the line of scrimmage that 964 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,320 Speaker 1: defense is looking for eighty eight. He's Michael Irvin. Yeah, 965 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,800 Speaker 1: that's a great He's Randy Moss, He's the He's Tim Brown. 966 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 1: It's not like question. Yeah, he's the unquestioned guy that 967 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,879 Speaker 1: when you're playing defense that you scheme against. He that's 968 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,719 Speaker 1: your number one receiver. That's the guy that's generally the 969 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 1: X to me, it generally it's the guy that people say, Okay, 970 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,319 Speaker 1: let's we have to take this guy out of the game. 971 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,160 Speaker 1: He's the guy that's he's making the tough catches, he's 972 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 1: running the routes, he's getting the touchdowns. Account you have 973 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,239 Speaker 1: to account him. You have to account for him every 974 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: single play. You know, that to me, is your number 975 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,240 Speaker 1: one receiver. But Rob's right to a too. In teams 976 00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,200 Speaker 1: that run the football, you know, you would say that, 977 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,960 Speaker 1: you would say that in Pittsburgh, Brown is the number 978 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 1: one receiver even though they run the football just as well. 979 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,399 Speaker 1: But you have to scheme and try and stop him. Now, 980 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,520 Speaker 1: New England, who's New England's number one receiver? Do they 981 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,520 Speaker 1: have a number one receiver? We have been Brandon Cooks, 982 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,359 Speaker 1: but he's gone. Gronk is the one that everybody has 983 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,839 Speaker 1: to account for them. He is that Hman's great. Yeah, 984 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,440 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. They rank is the one that 985 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,839 Speaker 1: every snap he could he can. He's your daily hurt. Yeah, 986 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,400 Speaker 1: there's there's guys in that New England's and it's about 987 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,400 Speaker 1: the scheme. You know, they don't really have a number 988 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,879 Speaker 1: one wide receiver. If you think in the true sense 989 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,160 Speaker 1: of a wide receiver, they have they have several guys 990 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,719 Speaker 1: that you have to account for, especially Grinkowski that makes 991 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,560 Speaker 1: those plays down the field. That's but yeah, I think, 992 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,120 Speaker 1: to me, when I think number one receiver, I think 993 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 1: of a guy like Michael Irving. So that's that's who 994 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,080 Speaker 1: I think of. Coach John, here's what a number one 995 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,080 Speaker 1: receiver is. It's fourth and two. We're about to tell 996 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,080 Speaker 1: a coach on the Packers thirty nine yard line. You're 997 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,920 Speaker 1: down by four points and you've got to score, and 998 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,239 Speaker 1: you throw it to the three yard line and the 999 00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,719 Speaker 1: guy goes up and catches it. That's another one catches it. 1000 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,000 Speaker 1: He catches it. Yeah, and he did catch it, by 1001 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,960 Speaker 1: the way, and they're showing it right now. He did 1002 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,279 Speaker 1: catch it. Yeah, Oh there it is. How about that 1003 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,480 Speaker 1: for time he did catch it. We were all standing 1004 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,480 Speaker 1: right there saying it was a Cat's a number one 1005 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,000 Speaker 1: receiver that you trust him to go out. That's fourth play, 1006 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,719 Speaker 1: fourth and two play right there. Point I thought he 1007 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,440 Speaker 1: was going to dump it a basically believe that. In 1008 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,759 Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen season, every defense the Cowboys played. I 1009 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,560 Speaker 1: didn't say that as Brant was playing. I didn't say that. 1010 00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,760 Speaker 1: I didn't say that, but I know they knew where 1011 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,360 Speaker 1: he was. And all you had to do is watch 1012 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,279 Speaker 1: the game and watch what the safety was doing at 1013 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,080 Speaker 1: the snap of the ball, or watch what the linebacker 1014 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,560 Speaker 1: was doing at the snap of the ball, and you'd 1015 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,359 Speaker 1: understand that they knew where Dez Bryant was. I think 1016 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,320 Speaker 1: I think there. I think I think I think defensive 1017 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,160 Speaker 1: coordinators does Bryant in the red zone, That's where I 1018 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,160 Speaker 1: think they feared him. I don't think they feared him 1019 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,479 Speaker 1: in the field of play as much as they feared 1020 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,759 Speaker 1: him in the red zone. I think defensive backs know 1021 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,400 Speaker 1: they were gonna get bullied, they were gonna get pushed, 1022 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,839 Speaker 1: they were gonna get things. It's aggressive style of play. 1023 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,319 Speaker 1: His his you know, it's like Jason Witton. People say, well, 1024 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,520 Speaker 1: Jason Witton can't play anymore. You get Jason Witton inside 1025 00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,239 Speaker 1: the twenty. He has a really good understanding how to 1026 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,719 Speaker 1: get space, how to get open, how to push off, 1027 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,000 Speaker 1: how to rub. He doesn't have to run fifty yards 1028 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,360 Speaker 1: every He's like, oh, you throw him the ball, he 1029 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,120 Speaker 1: turns around, it's a hook, it's eight yards and the 1030 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,680 Speaker 1: guy's on his back. When you get Jason Witton in 1031 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,640 Speaker 1: the red zone, that's where he is the most dangerous. 1032 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,680 Speaker 1: And that's where this offense, to be honest with Scuby Tay, 1033 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,600 Speaker 1: the offense is ability to drive the football run run, pass, run, 1034 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,120 Speaker 1: pass run. You know that. That's that ability to get 1035 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,160 Speaker 1: Now you're get in the red zone, okay, yeah, you 1036 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,600 Speaker 1: get close. You hand it to Zeke. It used to 1037 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,799 Speaker 1: be you know, you know you were before you were here. 1038 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,279 Speaker 1: Take there were times they get down the red zone 1039 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,040 Speaker 1: on the goal line. It couldn't run it in and 1040 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,719 Speaker 1: you throw it three times to Deaz and pray that 1041 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:06,600 Speaker 1: you know that he would make a play one outfen Well, yeah, exactly, yes, 1042 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,880 Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. It drives people crazy. You 1043 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,440 Speaker 1: think just handed off with who do you think they 1044 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,960 Speaker 1: feared in the in the field of play? Then if 1045 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,920 Speaker 1: des was red zone guy Beasley, Beasley, I think that Beasley, 1046 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,160 Speaker 1: because Beasley Beasley was the Mickey hates the word targets, 1047 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,960 Speaker 1: and he's right, that's a rung. But you have ninety 1048 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,200 Speaker 1: something targets and he has ninety something catches. I mean 1049 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,600 Speaker 1: he that that you're he converted. He was humming along. 1050 00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,680 Speaker 1: He didn't have any drops. They It's a simple little pass. 1051 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,759 Speaker 1: You throw it to him, he runs. We saw him 1052 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,680 Speaker 1: in the red zone. He just wore Green Bay out 1053 00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:39,920 Speaker 1: in the red zone. What do you act like he 1054 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,880 Speaker 1: was gonna go inside and block Boom, explodes the outside, 1055 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,920 Speaker 1: catches a touchdown. That's what That's what the thing is. 1056 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,879 Speaker 1: Beasley is the guy that teams I felt like took 1057 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,719 Speaker 1: away with the bracket. They didn't allow him to run 1058 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,759 Speaker 1: the pivot routes and things like that he's really really 1059 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,520 Speaker 1: good at. And because there was no Ezekiel Elliott for 1060 00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,360 Speaker 1: six games had a lot to do with that. I 1061 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,000 Speaker 1: think because they were not worried about Alfred Morris burning 1062 00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,920 Speaker 1: him what they were worried about Dez. And to go 1063 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,400 Speaker 1: back to this number one thing, you're saying, well, they 1064 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,160 Speaker 1: were a running offense. Yeah, they were a running offense 1065 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:17,799 Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, righting, how many yards did Murray have seen? Yeah? 1066 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,799 Speaker 1: Had like fourteen touchdowns. Yeah, Dez had a pretty dark 1067 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,239 Speaker 1: and good season. Sure he did. I don't have his numbers. 1068 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,000 Speaker 1: It was like here, it was like fifteen touchdown. I 1069 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,800 Speaker 1: think a different quarterback though, Yeah, different quarterback quarterback that 1070 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,520 Speaker 1: kind of understands had a manipulate with a running and 1071 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:36,160 Speaker 1: it was a running attack Tony seventeen hundred yards. That's 1072 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:40,359 Speaker 1: why they drafted Ezekiel Elliott to try and emulate or replicate, 1073 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,600 Speaker 1: I said, replicate what they had. Then Tony Romo's best 1074 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,480 Speaker 1: season down the stretch when DeMarco Murray got banged up, 1075 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,120 Speaker 1: all the saying it's like, all right, now I could 1076 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,520 Speaker 1: take the team, I could throw. Tony started doing things 1077 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,279 Speaker 1: in the last month of the season that he had 1078 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,480 Speaker 1: done really all his all his career is throwing the football. So, yeah, 1079 00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,680 Speaker 1: they drafted Ezekiel Elliott for Tony Romo just worked out. 1080 00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,319 Speaker 1: It beneficial for for Dak Prescott. Yeah, and great point 1081 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,400 Speaker 1: about Dez. If you look last year his stats, he 1082 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,879 Speaker 1: was still fifty five percent inside the twenty forty percent 1083 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,600 Speaker 1: inside the ten that is above names like Brown, DeAndre Hopkins, 1084 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,840 Speaker 1: Mike Evans. Yeah, forty percent inside the ten. It's like, 1085 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,440 Speaker 1: to me, equivalent to a guy that shoots three pointers. 1086 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,840 Speaker 1: Guess it was one hundred percent, said the ten receiver, 1087 00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:31,319 Speaker 1: Uh Grinkowski, Kelsey Kelsey, Yeah, Travis Kelsey of course, Yeah, Yeah, 1088 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,520 Speaker 1: I knew it was a tight end somebody Alvin Kamar, 1089 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,319 Speaker 1: P what does that mean? A very good kent. He 1090 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,360 Speaker 1: caught every pass, every every pass inside the ten. Yeah, 1091 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,719 Speaker 1: so did Alvin Kamara. So did so. They never threw 1092 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,959 Speaker 1: one over his head on purpose because nothing was open. 1093 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,560 Speaker 1: Now they threw it to some other and he didn't 1094 00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,960 Speaker 1: get a target. Yeah, they get a target through it 1095 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,000 Speaker 1: the hill here herell you'll take it over your head. 1096 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,480 Speaker 1: Still the worst stat in the NFL. But no, that's 1097 00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,560 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You're talking about a guy that converts 1098 00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,239 Speaker 1: forty percent of the time and on the inside the 1099 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,759 Speaker 1: ten with a fuel shrinks. That's saying a lot to me. 1100 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,200 Speaker 1: It is. Oh absolutely. I was just saying, you know 1101 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,399 Speaker 1: some of the other names that you're comparing them too 1102 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,600 Speaker 1: for elite receivers. So they gotta find that dude. They 1103 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,239 Speaker 1: gotta find dude you can throw the fade up to. 1104 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,440 Speaker 1: They gotta find that dude. When are you putting that 1105 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,200 Speaker 1: mock draft up there? When is all that we got Friday? 1106 00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,440 Speaker 1: Mock draft, got a draft show of this Thursday. Coming 1107 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,040 Speaker 1: up next Monday, We're gonna do the mock draft of 1108 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,520 Speaker 1: the Cowboys. We're gonna do a simulation that we're gonna 1109 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,000 Speaker 1: on the draft show. Yeah, so we'll do a ten 1110 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,400 Speaker 1: we'll do the ten pick mock draft of the Cowboys 1111 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,840 Speaker 1: on Monday that night. How many of you trading? I'm 1112 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,880 Speaker 1: not gonna trade in this sinking. I'll tell you what. 1113 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,920 Speaker 1: They we'll have an opportunity, Well, we play. We've done 1114 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,080 Speaker 1: this now for several years. We've kind of dained as 1115 00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,320 Speaker 1: a great job of up and back and so we'll 1116 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,440 Speaker 1: figure that thing out. Well, we'll probably not take all 1117 00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,400 Speaker 1: our picks. Make you're wrong with the draft. We will 1118 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 1: have the schedule released at some point this week. 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