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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Let's get into the episode. Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: what's up?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'll holy shit. How you going?
Speaker 1: How am I going? I'm going good man. You're from Australia,
Speaker 1: from the accent and thew you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to say a couple of months ago,
Speaker 3: my girlfriend messaged you on Instagram and asked you for
Speaker 3: a birthday wish, and you sent a really nice message.
Speaker 1: Oh what did I say that?
Speaker 4: Out of breath?
Speaker 3: I'm freaking out. I don't know you said your classic thing.
Speaker 3: We're like, I hope you guys end up in the
Speaker 3: Kingdom of Heaven together. I know you don't believe in
Speaker 3: that Christianity, but I don't.
Speaker 1: Know the Kingdom. I believe vaguely in a version of
Speaker 1: the Kingdom of Heaven. Wait, this was a couple of
Speaker 1: months ago.
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah in October last year.
Speaker 1: Oh cool, cool, cool.
Speaker 3: You said you were like on the subway or something.
Speaker 3: I mean, I never thought you'd get a response, and
Speaker 3: she surprised me with it, which was crazy. I'm going
Speaker 3: to save but no, it was really cool, dude.
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm not that clouded up anymore. I'm just
Speaker 1: like on the subway, just like us. Maybe I'm stoned,
Speaker 1: and I'm like sometimes I'm stoned. Like I look at Instagram, right,
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm stoned and I'll see like a message and
Speaker 1: it's like, can you wish me a happy birthday? And
Speaker 1: I'm just like, why the fuck wouldn't I do? Like,
Speaker 1: why just do it? Why not? Why am I so?
Speaker 1: Why am I being so precious about this? Let's just
Speaker 1: do it? And so I do it?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you're a real fucking human being, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, a cryan, not a.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you that. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: There, what's your what's your name? You told me already?
Speaker 1: Finn again, Finn Finn.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, dude, I've been listening for like years. When
Speaker 3: I when you came to Australia, I think it was
Speaker 3: like twenty twenty three, Yeah, something like that. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: I had been listening for like a year and a
Speaker 3: bit and I was so mad. I was like, you
Speaker 3: came about like just before I turned eighteen, so I
Speaker 3: couldn't go. So I'm subscribed to all of the all
Speaker 3: of the notifications. If you ever come back, I'll be
Speaker 3: first one in line, hopefully cool.
Speaker 1: I could see myself doing another Australia run at some point,
Speaker 1: we'll see. It was all it's dude, that's that's the toughest.
Speaker 1: Have you been to the States?
Speaker 3: No, I'm maybe going on New Years. I got some
Speaker 3: family over there, and I think Texas.
Speaker 1: That's the shittiest. I was up until six o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning for like a week after I got back
Speaker 1: from that. That's definitely the worst jet lag place to
Speaker 1: go to. But I liked. I liked Australia. Australia is
Speaker 1: like if you combined, dude, you know what's crazy is Australia.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like Americans pretty much, but it's like
Speaker 1: all the fucking way over there. I have no idea
Speaker 1: how Australia came to be. I mean, I guess it's
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess similar how to I guess you guys.
Speaker 1: You guys have kind of a similar history of America
Speaker 1: right where it's like, you know, a bunch of white
Speaker 1: people came over and like fucking killed a bunch of people.
Speaker 1: And now there's Australia.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: The crazy thing about Australia is they literally sent over
Speaker 3: like mostly convicts, so we just got a bunch of
Speaker 3: like I think it was England's shitty convicts and then
Speaker 3: you know we did the classic thing where we you know,
Speaker 3: destroy millions of years of culture obviously because so white
Speaker 3: people what we do best. But no, we're a bunch
Speaker 3: of convicts. But now Australia is like pretty like pretty
Speaker 3: molly cultural, like I went to high school and yeah,
Speaker 3: like honestly, it's it's like a lot of like Asian
Speaker 3: because we're like technically like Australasia, so like a lot
Speaker 3: of Asian influence pretty much. I mean I grew up
Speaker 3: in a Greek neighborhood, but like Greek Asian a lot
Speaker 3: of Islanders because you know we're right, yeah, next to
Speaker 3: New Zealand and all of that ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, because you guys are really close to
Speaker 1: like Thailand and Southeast Asia and all that ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean We've got the Pacific Islanders, which is
Speaker 3: like Fiji, Papua New Guinea right above us, and yeah, Thailand,
Speaker 3: and we're like, like, honestly, most of most most Australians
Speaker 3: go to like a Bali in Indonesia.
Speaker 2: For cheap holidays. So if you got there, you got
Speaker 2: you go to Bali.
Speaker 3: It's in the middle of Indonesia. It's mostly Australians on
Speaker 3: like holiday and ship, which is kind of funny.
Speaker 1: So, Finn, you texted me and you said, I would
Speaker 1: like to talk about how my mom owes me forty
Speaker 1: grand but it's too focused on her new boyfriend to
Speaker 1: talk to me about it. What does that mean?
Speaker 3: All right, Well, shit.
Speaker 2: I haven't.
Speaker 3: I've only told my girlfriend and obviously my family about this.
Speaker 2: So basically, a long time.
Speaker 3: Ago, like I would have been about five and I'm
Speaker 3: nineteen now, my auntie passed away and she left me
Speaker 3: and my brother a sizable like will whatever. And basically
Speaker 3: my mom when I was about sixteen, proposed to me
Speaker 3: and my brother like, look, you know, the rent, rent
Speaker 3: and housing market over here is just fucked and she
Speaker 3: was like, look, we probably are going to want to
Speaker 3: use it for house and you know, me being sixteen,
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, go for it. You know,
Speaker 3: I'd rather my mum take that money than you know,
Speaker 3: not have a house, because I'm a normal human being anyway. Also,
Speaker 3: lemon off, you're going to blow down. I'm speaking really absoletely.
Speaker 1: Please, you're doing you're doing, You're doing perfectly fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Fastwood.
Speaker 3: When I graduated high school, she well, I graduated high school,
Speaker 3: I turned eighteen. I don't know if it's different in
Speaker 3: Australia like I know in America. So I'm going off track.
Speaker 3: In America, you're like twenty one to drink. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you're eighteen, you're an adult in America. But
Speaker 3: in Australia, when you're eighteen, you're like an adult. Like
Speaker 3: you can drink, you can do all that stuff anyway, unimportant.
Speaker 3: My mom's a teacher and when I turned eighteen, she
Speaker 3: got a contract to go teach out in rural Australia.
Speaker 3: Like it's an eleven hour drive from me and it's
Speaker 3: still in like the same state, which is weird. And yeah,
Speaker 3: basically her and my little brother, my little brother's sixteen.
Speaker 3: Shout out to him if he's listening, love you anyway,
Speaker 3: and it was like, look, she was a single mother
Speaker 3: a T shirt not you know, that's hard. And I
Speaker 3: was like, look, if you need to go do that,
Speaker 3: that's fine. I will take over the mortgage of the
Speaker 3: current place with a couple of friends, the place that
Speaker 3: she had used that forty grand to buy. Anyway, I'll
Speaker 3: cut it short, I know, not trying to take up
Speaker 3: all your time. But yeah, she went out there. Things
Speaker 3: going great for her. She's dating this guy met through
Speaker 3: the apps, as everyone does, and you know, she's a
Speaker 3: single parent with my brother who's a bit troubled.
Speaker 2: A lot of different ways.
Speaker 3: But basically when she moved away, which was about which
Speaker 3: was the end of twenty twenty four, for the first
Speaker 3: six months, I would call her like, you know, most
Speaker 3: weeks and we'd have like a thirty minute chat when
Speaker 3: I'm driving home from work. And then she started dating
Speaker 3: the guy and I try to call her, but every
Speaker 3: time I've called her, it like goes through the voicemail
Speaker 3: and then I get angry, and then she tries to
Speaker 3: call me back, and I'm like, oh, I'm a bit angry.
Speaker 2: I won't pick up.
Speaker 3: And then when she does pick up or I call
Speaker 3: her back, she's like she'll talk for like five minutes max,
Speaker 3: and then she's like, oh, I've got to go on
Speaker 3: this trip.
Speaker 4: Wait.
Speaker 2: Oh no, she's like, oh, I'm busy.
Speaker 3: Or I try to call her and she's like, sorry,
Speaker 3: away on holiday because this guy's pretty pretty well off
Speaker 3: and they go on a lot of like weekend trips.
Speaker 3: And I think it's been a couple of months and
Speaker 3: I haven't talked to her about it, but I did
Speaker 3: manage to get through to her one time, and I
Speaker 3: was like, look, you know about that forty grand.
Speaker 2: You know, I want to have.
Speaker 3: A conversation about it, because it's obviously not no money,
Speaker 3: like I'm a I'm a university student, paying rent, you know,
Speaker 3: all of that stuff.
Speaker 2: It's you know, not not easy to do that.
Speaker 3: And I was like, look, if I could have some assistants,
Speaker 3: that'd be great. I don't want I don't expect forty
Speaker 3: grand in my bank account the next day because I'm
Speaker 3: not an idiot, but you know, if we could work
Speaker 3: something out. And that was about three months ago, and
Speaker 3: I've gone through to her guess and both times she's like, look,
Speaker 3: I just need another week. And kind of the reason
Speaker 3: I wanted to talk to you was just because you know,
Speaker 3: it's fucking it's the therapy, Get go.
Speaker 2: I want to talk to the therapy.
Speaker 4: Get go.
Speaker 3: But also like it's becoming to a point with me
Speaker 3: where my relationship with her is causing me a lot
Speaker 3: of anger. And you know, I'm lucky to have an
Speaker 3: amazing partner who I can talk to us about talk
Speaker 3: about this with. But it's like, do I keep calling
Speaker 3: her and keep getting angry and you know, feeling down
Speaker 3: about my relationship with my mother? Just so with the
Speaker 3: hope I can you know, have a good relationship one
Speaker 3: day and also get this forty grand back? Or is
Speaker 3: it like it is causing a strain on me where
Speaker 3: I just need to cut it off or take a
Speaker 3: step back.
Speaker 2: Or like you know, very very strongly worded email.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm trying to you know, forgive me. If you've
Speaker 1: explained this, I'm trying to write my head around it. So,
Speaker 1: your auntie passed away and left you and your sibling.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, me and my little brother.
Speaker 1: You and your brother h forty grand collectively.
Speaker 3: Forty grand each, so is about one hundred grand. But
Speaker 3: you know we got twenty grand. You know you need
Speaker 3: a laptop of school and your school bags and your
Speaker 3: school fees and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So it was so legal, so legally, legally, legally, legally,
Speaker 1: that forty grand is yours? Like what's the what's the
Speaker 1: legal standpoint on this? Right? Because if your mom like
Speaker 1: what what's your mom doing? Is she like is she inte?
Speaker 1: Is she stealing this money from you? Or is she
Speaker 1: just like being too busy to give it to you?
Speaker 1: Or like what's like, what's going on? Is why is she?
Speaker 1: Why is it? Why? You said you were like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't expect it to just appear in my bank
Speaker 1: account instantly, And I'm like, wait, why she has it,
Speaker 1: doesn't she? And it's yours?
Speaker 2: Well she is?
Speaker 1: Why why why shouldn't Why should it not appear your
Speaker 1: bank account instantly?
Speaker 2: Well, it's I don't.
Speaker 3: I definitely don't think she's the type of person to
Speaker 3: be malicious about it, Like I don't. I don't think
Speaker 3: she'd like hold it over my head or she would like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's not a thing of oh I'm holding
Speaker 3: this over your head or I'm like intentionally, I think
Speaker 3: it is just a thing where she is like so
Speaker 3: because she moved away, and you know, it has got
Speaker 3: a whole new life now, and it's like she's so
Speaker 3: deeply entrenched in her new life. And I've tried reaching
Speaker 3: out obviously, all like it was cool. I can't drive
Speaker 3: up there, but it's.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think she's the type of person. I mean,
Speaker 3: she's my mom, she's my mom. I'd like to believe
Speaker 3: that she's not. I mean, maybe she is, but it's like,
Speaker 3: but the thing is, I think when I was sixteen,
Speaker 3: she like I signed some type of papers. But the
Speaker 3: thing is, I think there was an amendment in that
Speaker 3: that she has to pay me back when I'm over eighteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Probably, dude, I'm this is crazy. This is crazy.
Speaker 1: This is like your mom. Okay, so dude, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: Tell your mom to is your fucking money, tell her
Speaker 1: to give her tell her that you she's got to
Speaker 1: give you that money or else you have to come
Speaker 1: after her for it, because she can't just keep like
Speaker 1: dodging you, dude. Like, like I think also also, I
Speaker 1: think you're having this attitude about it that's very passive
Speaker 1: because you don't want to stir the pot. But like
Speaker 1: your mom's being kind of a dick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I mean it comes from a thing where it's like
Speaker 3: my little brother with her, and you know he he
Speaker 3: doesn't live with my dad anymore, and it's like I'm
Speaker 3: I'm also a bit worried, like I don't want to
Speaker 3: poke the bear because I'm afraid that it's gonna mess
Speaker 3: with my relationship with him. And then also like at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, I'm an adult and it's
Speaker 3: my mom and we have separate lives. But also like
Speaker 3: I kind of want to like go at it in
Speaker 3: like a funnel way where I funnel like from the
Speaker 3: least aggressive way at the start, and then if I
Speaker 3: don't get feedback, if I don't get anything back, then
Speaker 3: I move up and I keep moving up. I do
Speaker 3: I get that money back. I don't want to just
Speaker 3: go with it, you know, yeah, of course no.
Speaker 1: I get you. You're you don't want to send like
Speaker 1: lawyers after your mom and shit, like how long have
Speaker 1: you been asking her for this money? I mean, what
Speaker 1: you're in nineteen, she should have given it to you,
Speaker 1: like a year ago.
Speaker 3: I think it would have been about six to eight
Speaker 3: weeks ago. I know I said a month before, But
Speaker 3: now that I actually use my fucking brain and have
Speaker 3: calmed down a bit and then yeah, I've I gave
Speaker 3: her like three two weeks and I caught her back
Speaker 3: and she's like, I need another week. And I caught
Speaker 3: her back like I think last week and I was like, look,
Speaker 3: what's going on?
Speaker 1: What is going on meeting? I need another week to
Speaker 1: do what.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: The money was talking to her lawyers, but I don't know,
Speaker 3: like I I mean, I'm like a dumb ass nineteen
Speaker 3: year old, so I don't know, Like I mean, I
Speaker 3: guess I could go speak to a lawyer about it.
Speaker 2: I've heard you.
Speaker 3: Give the I fucking speak to a lawyer and I guess, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like well, so like, dude, what's your I'm having trouble
Speaker 1: understanding your relationship with your mom? Like so you're out
Speaker 1: on your own and like your mom has her new
Speaker 1: life with her new boyfriend, but your little brother is there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the they're moved like eleven twelve hours away
Speaker 3: from me, and you know, I'm back in where I
Speaker 3: grew up to go to university and you know, with
Speaker 3: my my girlfriend and all that stuff. And yeah, she's
Speaker 3: basically moved out there. I think she contract originally for
Speaker 3: two years, but I think she's going to extend it.
Speaker 3: So basically I turned eighteen and she took my little
Speaker 3: brother and moved away for a better paying job and
Speaker 3: you know, it's cheaper to live in the country and
Speaker 3: all that stuff.
Speaker 1: What's your you said, You've been talking to your girlfriend
Speaker 1: about this? What's she say? She probably knows? Does she
Speaker 1: know your mom?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's met my mom.
Speaker 3: She she kind of I mean, she obviously comforts me
Speaker 3: for ust because it's a very emotional thing, you know,
Speaker 3: a relationship with your parents obviously, but she kind of
Speaker 3: puts it in a thing that she knows my mom
Speaker 3: and she knows I should like trust it. But it
Speaker 3: reaches a point like it's my girlfriend does reinforce that
Speaker 3: it is my money, and at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: you know, I've got to do what's right for myself
Speaker 3: because you know, obviously.
Speaker 2: I'm an adult.
Speaker 3: I want to you know, get a nice place and
Speaker 3: have you know, fucking steak for dinner and whatever. But
Speaker 3: she's kind of reinforcing like the same thing as you
Speaker 3: where it's like, look, you need to like stand on
Speaker 3: business per se and kind of you know, push forward
Speaker 3: because you can't be pushed around and just like accept it,
Speaker 3: you know, but I think she mostly comes at a
Speaker 3: thing from like companying me emotionally because you know, it
Speaker 3: is pretty can be rough at times.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: No, I understand the roughness of the situation. But also
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, Man, your mom's pissing me off.
Speaker 3: Dide, you gotta fly down to Australia to talk to her,
Speaker 3: you instead of dude.
Speaker 1: Maybe dude, maybe your mom's pissing me off. Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, like, why is she being so like in inaccessible.
Speaker 3: She's she's she's also like, oh my god, this isn't
Speaker 3: even like the thing, the main thing kind of like
Speaker 3: just add something to the story real quick if you
Speaker 3: don't mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So she's teacher with a boyfriend and a kid, and
Speaker 3: she's also doing an online degree to like be a
Speaker 3: higher level of a teacher. Anyway, I give her my
Speaker 3: Netflix account password, and every time I call her, she's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm busy with school or your brother or boyfriend or whatever, right,
Speaker 3: but I shoot you not. At least like two times
Speaker 3: a week she will message me and say, hey, can
Speaker 3: you reset the Netflix because you know, you can't like
Speaker 3: share a Netflix when someone's eleven hours where you have
Speaker 3: to like reset the location of the household. So she'll like,
Speaker 3: I'll call her and she'll say she's busy and she's
Speaker 3: doing stuff. But then twice a week she has the
Speaker 3: time to like sit around on Netflix. And this will
Speaker 3: be in the middle of a day when she's a
Speaker 3: whole day off to do her study, and she'd be like, oh,
Speaker 3: can you reset the Netflix account. It's like, yeah, you
Speaker 3: can sit down and watch Netflix, but you can't fucking
Speaker 3: speak to a lawyer or pick up the phone and
Speaker 3: call me, which is just the fucking cherry on top
Speaker 3: that makes.
Speaker 1: Ro bro Bro. What's your name.
Speaker 2: Again, Finn, Finn, Finn, Finn bro Finn.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, Finn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go go uh.
Speaker 1: Okay, So your mam has owed you this money for
Speaker 1: at least eight weeks, correct.
Speaker 2: Eight weeks since I've brought it up about.
Speaker 1: Okay, and when was the last time she asked you
Speaker 1: to reset the Netflix?
Speaker 3: If I put you on speaker, oh, opening the messages
Speaker 3: up right now, okaym.
Speaker 1: Uh Thursday this week she asked you on Thursday to
Speaker 1: reset the Netflix. Yeah, what did Finn? Finn, Finn Finn, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what did you fucking say, what did you did you
Speaker 1: do it? Did you reset the Netflix?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: I just I think I left it on red. But
Speaker 3: I might have done it and just forgotten about it,
Speaker 3: but I didn't respond like, yeah, yeah, fucking.
Speaker 1: I, Finn, tell her to pay you the fucking forty
Speaker 1: th thousand dollars if she wants you to reset the net.
Speaker 1: Who pays for the Netflix?
Speaker 4: Me?
Speaker 1: You pay for the Netflix? Yeah, Finn, Fenn, Finn, Finn,
Speaker 1: kick your mom off of the Netflix account. Immediately kick
Speaker 1: your mom off of that Netflix account immediately. Dude, What
Speaker 1: the fuck If someone knows me forty thousand dollars, I'm
Speaker 1: not letting them use my Netflix account?
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 1: The Netflix brother, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: All right, I'll just next time she sends she sends,
Speaker 3: can you reset the Netflix? Polse it, I'll be like,
Speaker 3: can you send the forty k that's please.
Speaker 1: Dear God valid? Yes, of course that's valid. Then listen, Finn, honestly, dude,
Speaker 1: can I be a finance dude? Okay? What you everything
Speaker 1: you just told me about your mom using your Netflix
Speaker 1: password and stuff, it's it's it's telling me exactly what
Speaker 1: kind of like a guy you are and what like
Speaker 1: your relationship with your mom is like, and you seem,
Speaker 1: first of all, you're a nice you're a nice boy fan,
Speaker 1: you're very you're you're a sweet nice boy. But you're
Speaker 1: you're letting your mom uh for lack of a better uh, truly,
Speaker 1: for lack of a better phrase, you're letting your mom
Speaker 1: dick you down a little too hard, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of letting your mom dick you down a little too hard.
Speaker 1: Your mom's kind of ugging man, And uh, you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't let your mom dick you down like this. Dude,
Speaker 1: You guys stand up financial you you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: just call her every day and be like, listen, dude,
Speaker 1: you gotta send me like you just gotta call her
Speaker 1: every day and then at a certain point you're gonna
Speaker 1: be like, all right, I gotta I gotta send the
Speaker 1: fucking troops in. But she can't be using your Netflix
Speaker 1: while you're waiting on this. That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know what you've given me. You've actually given me
Speaker 3: the inspiration to take action. I really appreciate you, man,
Speaker 3: like a lot.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, what are you gonna do tomorrow? Or I
Speaker 1: don't know what time it is in Australia.
Speaker 3: I'm about to go to sleep, but in between classes
Speaker 3: and work, I will call her, or I will I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna call her. She's probably not going to
Speaker 3: pick up, and then probably on Tuesday she'll send me
Speaker 3: a request of fucking reason the Netflix past it, and
Speaker 3: then I'll.
Speaker 1: Just go due.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: When she says you're no, call her and be like
Speaker 1: you got to call her and be like, I'll send
Speaker 1: you the Eno fix pastor when you send me the
Speaker 1: forty grand.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'd say that's a pretty fair deal now that
Speaker 3: I think about it.
Speaker 1: I want an update from you, Finn. I want send
Speaker 1: me a text, or I might not see the text,
Speaker 1: but give me another call at some point. I want
Speaker 1: to I want an update on this. Send me a text.
Speaker 1: I'll see the text, send me a text. I want
Speaker 1: to know what. I want to know if you get
Speaker 1: this forty come back. But I'm glad that this inspired
Speaker 1: you to take action, because you can't let your mom
Speaker 1: mug you like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't go on like this.
Speaker 4: Fuck all right?
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go, Finn?
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're ever struggling with mental health.
Speaker 3: Everyone would always rather you reach out than do anything,
Speaker 3: because no matter who you are, no matter where you are,
Speaker 3: there's always someone who cares about you, and it's always better.
Speaker 2: To reach out and speak to someone.
Speaker 1: You're a nice You're a nice man. You're a sweet boy, Finn.
Speaker 1: Go get your go, get your forty thirs from your mom.
Speaker 1: All right, take care of man, all right?
Speaker 4: Go on?
Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing, man, that's insane. Do Yeah, this guy's
Speaker 1: mom sucks. Unfortunately, that's a bummer. I always feel bad
Speaker 1: when callers tell me about their parents, and their parents
Speaker 1: kind of suck. But yeah, man, it's at a certain point.
Speaker 1: You got to reset the Netflix password.
Speaker 4: Hello, Hello, Wow, I should call back. This is like
Speaker 4: my first time calling.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: You have the deepest voice I have ever heard in
Speaker 1: my entire life. Do you think definitely positively that?
Speaker 4: Yeah. I've never liked the sound of my voice. I
Speaker 4: feel like I sound high all the time. Those are
Speaker 4: people always me?
Speaker 1: Really? Uh so why don't why don't you? Why don't
Speaker 1: you like your own voice? Oh?
Speaker 4: No, I think it's because I have a weird accent
Speaker 4: as well. Like, uh, I mean I never really grew
Speaker 4: up in a place I like I'm some uh and uh,
Speaker 4: my accent is kind of like a mix of everything.
Speaker 1: Mmm, I you're calling.
Speaker 4: Like I'm actually no, go ahead and guess just once.
Speaker 1: All right? Uh, guess where you're from? Because you're calling
Speaker 1: me from a non US number, So I'm curious where
Speaker 1: you are right now. Uh, i'd see. I'm gonna guess
Speaker 1: you're I'm not gonna guess somewhere specific, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: guess you're Eastern European.
Speaker 4: Nah. I can give you a hint. It's it's a
Speaker 4: country that's getting attacked right now.
Speaker 1: Oh are you from Venezuela?
Speaker 4: Nah? Nah nah Dubai. I grew up here. Oh, not
Speaker 4: really from here. You can't really say that though, because
Speaker 4: it's kind of weird here because like basically you have
Speaker 4: like locals like Amarzis are the people that are, like,
Speaker 4: you know, from from here. Like ethnically, I'm just a
Speaker 4: kid that grew up here, like you know, since I
Speaker 4: was like three.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm, where were you born?
Speaker 4: So? I was born in the UK, but my parents
Speaker 4: moved here when I was a kid. Well, ethnically I'm
Speaker 4: not British.
Speaker 1: Either, So what do you So you were born in
Speaker 1: the UK, though ethnically that British raised in Dubai. Where
Speaker 1: are your parents from?
Speaker 4: Yeah, my parents are Moroccan.
Speaker 1: Mmm, okay, born to Moroccan parents in the UK and
Speaker 1: then moved to Dubai. Yeah, you got your mix of
Speaker 1: you're mixing up a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of a normal story here though, like
Speaker 4: all my friends have the exact same kind of story
Speaker 4: as I do.
Speaker 1: So Dubai is a place where people are not born
Speaker 1: and raised, they're they're moved. They moved there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, a lot of people. Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: I have some friends that are born and raised here,
Speaker 4: but like, you can be born and raised here, but
Speaker 4: you're never like eligible for the citizenship because they're like
Speaker 4: super protective about their nationality.
Speaker 1: So wait what wait I'm I I sorry for my ignorance,
Speaker 1: but Dubai is being attacked.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so you know, since the US and the
Speaker 4: and the Israel are attacking Iran at the moment, you know,
Speaker 4: they're they're they're shooting at each other, they're you know, basically,
Speaker 4: there are a lot of US military bases around the
Speaker 4: Middle East, and uh, and I guess they think that
Speaker 4: there are some targets in the UAE. So they're just
Speaker 4: shooting a bunch of missiles here. But like, for the
Speaker 4: most part, it's been pretty uh okay. I've you know,
Speaker 4: you hear explosions that like every couple of hours, but like,
Speaker 4: you know, nothing really that bad has happened. I mean,
Speaker 4: a couple of people have died, but to be honest,
Speaker 4: with the amount of artillery they've been sending our way,
Speaker 4: I think it's been like, you know, pretty pretty good.
Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of like people on the
Speaker 4: internet saying that, you know, it's all propaganda. You know,
Speaker 4: it's really bad over there. People are shooting their past.
Speaker 4: They're like terrified. I don't think that's true, honestly, Like
Speaker 4: I think for a lot of people, like life is
Speaker 4: pretty okay. I say this. One of my friends called
Speaker 4: me a couple of hours ago telling me about how
Speaker 4: the building next to his got hit. But like, you know,
Speaker 4: he he's fine, He's fine.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Okay. What do you do in Dubai?
Speaker 4: Uh so? I I work as a software engineer for
Speaker 4: a really really weird company. Basically all of my coworkers
Speaker 4: are Vietnamese, like all of them. This being said, like
Speaker 4: I've I've worked sorry I've lived here most of my life.
Speaker 4: Uh and I don't think I've ever met a Vietnamese
Speaker 4: person here, And ever since I started working for this company,
Speaker 4: I think I've met all the Vietnamese people here.
Speaker 1: You've met every Vietnamese person in Dubai.
Speaker 4: I'm I mean there's a high chance, like there are
Speaker 4: a lot. There are a lot. Like I was really
Speaker 4: like surprised, and like, you know, I've been to Vietnam.
Speaker 4: I love the place. But I'm not gonna lie. The
Speaker 4: work environment in this company has been like pretty uh
Speaker 4: pretty you know, it's been pretty hectic.
Speaker 1: How would you describe the Why is the work environment nuts?
Speaker 4: I mean they don't really keep track of anything. There
Speaker 4: are no uh you know, we don't really get like
Speaker 4: official deadlines. They don't really write anything down. Everything is
Speaker 4: just like really all over the place. And like I'm
Speaker 4: me and like, I guess there are like ten other
Speaker 4: people among like you know this like several hundred people
Speaker 4: company or whatever. I mean in our team specifically, I
Speaker 4: think there are like sixty people and ten of us
Speaker 4: are not Vietnamese, and just you know, it's I guess
Speaker 4: you feel kind of isolated in that environment where everyone
Speaker 4: around you is speaking Vietnamese all the time, and like,
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of these guys don't really speak
Speaker 4: very good English, so you know you're just kind of like,
Speaker 4: you know, you try to communicate with them, but it's
Speaker 4: kind of hard. Mmm.
Speaker 1: How old are you?
Speaker 4: I'm twenty six? Nice.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna stay in Dubai? Is Dubai like your vibe?
Speaker 1: Or do you want to leave and go somewhere else?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question, man, To be honest, I
Speaker 4: ask myself that every day. I did like live in
Speaker 4: London a little while, and I guess I did like it.
Speaker 4: You know, it was sort of nice, but it's hard
Speaker 4: moving to a new city and like you know, you know,
Speaker 4: readjusting making new friends and stuff I have. I like,
Speaker 4: I have friends there still, but it's a completely different
Speaker 4: vibe living in London and living here is a whole
Speaker 4: different thing because it's like, I mean, you know, Dubai
Speaker 4: is what you see on Instagram and stuff. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of like, you know, it's it's really luxurious. It's
Speaker 4: there are a lot of I guess cool buildings and
Speaker 4: stuff you can see, but uh, you know, it does
Speaker 4: feel kind of shallow a lot of the time. As well. Uh,
Speaker 4: like it does attract a certain kind of person, and
Speaker 4: I don't think I'm that kind of person. Mmm.
Speaker 1: So okay, I was gonna bring this up to you.
Speaker 1: So Reddit always had there's always an ask Reddit thread
Speaker 1: like this pops up like once a month and it
Speaker 1: and it says like, where's the worst place you've ever
Speaker 1: been in the world?
Speaker 4: Number?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and three places typically always show up. Uh, and
Speaker 1: I've never I've okay, so it's Dubai, Cairo, Egypt, and Paris.
Speaker 1: I've been. I went to Paris a while ago, but
Speaker 1: I've never been to Cairo, never been to Dubai. Is
Speaker 1: it as bad as people say?
Speaker 4: No, No, not at all. Honestly, I think most people
Speaker 4: that have never lived here, they could probably come and
Speaker 4: live here for a couple of years and be fine.
Speaker 4: Like I think, especially for somebody that's like a homebody,
Speaker 4: this is a good place to be a homebody because,
Speaker 4: you know, the food is great. You can get like
Speaker 4: a lot, I guess, you can get like a lot
Speaker 4: of luxury for quite cheap. You can like live in
Speaker 4: a you know, a nice apartment for the same price
Speaker 4: you pay for a shitty one in like America, and
Speaker 4: you know, it's stays like even even with all this
Speaker 4: shit happening, it's still a pretty safe place, Like you
Speaker 4: can walk down the streets about worrying about getting like
Speaker 4: you know, robbed or anything. Uh and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: it's it's not that bad, but you do have to
Speaker 4: kind of, like, I guess, look past a lot of
Speaker 4: things because you know, you don't really get like I guess,
Speaker 4: proper like freedom of speech here, you know. And I
Speaker 4: mean I guess I'm used to just not saying anything
Speaker 4: that might get me in trouble, but I've heard a
Speaker 4: lot of stories about some people, you know, just like
Speaker 4: telling someone the fuck off in traffic and next thing
Speaker 4: you know, they're getting deported.
Speaker 1: WHOA really.
Speaker 4: Yeah that that stuff can happen here because I mean,
Speaker 4: like in like Arab Islamic culture, I guess we take
Speaker 4: like that sort of disrespect, like really seriously. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm not like that, but uh, you know a lot
Speaker 4: of people can be like that here.
Speaker 1: Mmmmmm. And uh so what's your friend group?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Is it full of other like people who came to
Speaker 1: Dubai when they were really young and they all kind
Speaker 1: of stayed. Are they all around still? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Exactly? First, exactly. Yeah, But I guess the only thing is,
Speaker 4: I guess this is such a dumb thing to say.
Speaker 4: I hate I hate having a chip on my shoulder
Speaker 4: about this. I mean, all my friends, like you know,
Speaker 4: they're they they have super like super rich parents. Uh
Speaker 4: And don't get me wrong, like I'm privileged, Like I
Speaker 4: got to grow up here. I mean, you know, it
Speaker 4: was back when no one wanted to live here, but
Speaker 4: I got to grow up here. My parents got like
Speaker 4: were paid pretty decently. I didn't really, like, I guess,
Speaker 4: need much when I was a kid, like I got,
Speaker 4: I got a lot of video games, and you know,
Speaker 4: to me, that was enough. But like the a lot
Speaker 4: of the friends that I grew up with here, like
Speaker 4: they live in a different world, you know, like they
Speaker 4: don't they don't think about stuff like saving they don't
Speaker 4: think about like they don't really need to think about
Speaker 4: their future in the same way that I do, because
Speaker 4: I guess they always have that safety net under them.
Speaker 4: But for me, my parents are sort of broke at
Speaker 4: this point, and I'm always sort of like just checking
Speaker 4: myself trying to make sure that I'm like you know,
Speaker 4: not uh not wasting my money, not wasting my time,
Speaker 4: Like I just had a job interview like half an
Speaker 4: hour ago, because you know, I'm just like I really
Speaker 4: need to get out this company, but also I want
Speaker 4: to get paid more like I really want to be
Speaker 4: in a I guess I want to feel like I'm
Speaker 4: not just surviving.
Speaker 2: Mmmmmm, So.
Speaker 1: Is that like I'm aware that that's like kind of
Speaker 1: one of the cultural cultural things about Dubai is that
Speaker 1: people there are very rich. You feel like, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Mean no, no, that's not that's not completely true like that.
Speaker 4: So I mean you have people like me, like like
Speaker 4: me and my friends, you know, we come from like
Speaker 4: fairly like uh, I you know, well off in comparis
Speaker 4: to families middle class to like just like stinking rich.
Speaker 4: Uh and uh you know we we so we went
Speaker 4: to private schools because here you have most people go
Speaker 4: to private schools. Like the public schools are mostly like
Speaker 4: taught in Arabic and they're like Arabic curriculum. Uh and uh.
Speaker 4: Like a lot of people's jobs will so if you're
Speaker 4: a parent that moves here, your job will take care
Speaker 4: of like the schooling for for a private school for
Speaker 4: your kids. That isn't universal, but it happens a lot
Speaker 4: so yeah, we went to a private school. Uh. Then
Speaker 4: you know they're not like exactly the same as the
Speaker 4: private schools you'll see like in America or like the UK,
Speaker 4: but they're still like pretty good quality. And uh you know,
Speaker 4: we we we got like university educations and stuff like that,
Speaker 4: so we managed to get like decent paid jobs. Like
Speaker 4: I make like like five thousand bucks a month doing
Speaker 4: what I do, which is good for Dubai. Uh. And
Speaker 4: then when you like look at like so we have
Speaker 4: a lot of like delivery drivers and stuff like that
Speaker 4: and like security guards and there's no real like minimum
Speaker 4: wage here, so these guys make like I don't know,
Speaker 4: like six seven hundred bucks a month. Uh, maybe a
Speaker 4: little bit more, I don't know. Uh. And I mean
Speaker 4: the cost of living is expense severe, so they have
Speaker 4: to like you know, you know, like share rooms and
Speaker 4: stuff like that and like really like slum it out.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: But uh you know, uh for them, I guess it's
Speaker 4: like it works for them because the money here goes
Speaker 4: so much further in their home country mm hmm where
Speaker 4: I mean. Sorry, I'm yapping a lot.
Speaker 1: Oh no no, no, please, please please keep going. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to ask, like okay, the people who are
Speaker 1: making like seven hundred bucks a month, Like where where
Speaker 1: are they coming from? Like where what's their home country? Typically?
Speaker 4: Uh, you know like East Asian countries, Southeast Asian countries,
Speaker 4: South Asian countries, so like you know India and Nepal, Bangladesh,
Speaker 4: the Philippines. You know a lot of people from those
Speaker 4: countries because at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 4: living here, they still got a better quality of life.
Speaker 4: But they still like you know, like a lot of
Speaker 4: people will argue that, you know, they get so like
Speaker 4: like really underpaid. Uh. But at the same time they
Speaker 4: do make U I guess, Like for I guess if
Speaker 4: they if they keep coming here, then it's enough. But
Speaker 4: you know they have to put up with a lot
Speaker 4: of like be a mm hm m hmm.
Speaker 1: So what's your what's your goal? Man? What's your what's
Speaker 1: your whole thing? What are you trying to do? You're
Speaker 1: looking for a new job. What if you could wave
Speaker 1: a magic wand and be doing anything? What does your
Speaker 1: life look like?
Speaker 4: Not fucking working? Man? Like the ship. I can't do
Speaker 4: this ship anymore? Man, Like with this job I could
Speaker 4: I've just been like literally just going in every day checking,
Speaker 4: like just checking the time. Like this is one episode
Speaker 4: of The Sopranos. Where have you ever watched a surprise
Speaker 4: I have?
Speaker 1: I dude, I'm so TikTok brained. I just I couldn't
Speaker 1: get past the opening credits where they're going across.
Speaker 4: The Yeah, yeah, yeah, no worries, no worries. It's like, yeah, basically,
Speaker 4: there's like this this guy that runs away from them
Speaker 4: all because they're gonna kill him for being gay or
Speaker 4: like embarrassing him because he's gay. Uh. And he goes
Speaker 4: and like he's he's just working in some random, like
Speaker 4: fucking small town in New England, like as a carpenter
Speaker 4: or some ship. Uh. And they have this one scene
Speaker 4: where he's just working like starts day, starts at nine,
Speaker 4: and he just keeps checking the clock, keeps checking the clock,
Speaker 4: keeps checking the clock, and then you know the clock
Speaker 4: is just not moving. Uh. And he's just waiting for
Speaker 4: his lunchtime. He keeps hearing him talk to himself like
Speaker 4: oh yeah, a couple of minutes to lunch, lunchtime, a
Speaker 4: couple of minutes to lunchtime, and then uh, you know,
Speaker 4: all this suspense, all this build up and by the
Speaker 4: time the clock hits twelve, he just bucks off back
Speaker 4: to New Jersey and gets himself killed by the mall.
Speaker 4: Because you just can't live a normal life. And that's
Speaker 4: kind of how I feel, like I just can't. I
Speaker 4: find it really hard to tolerate this, but I have
Speaker 4: no choice, you know, like this is how the world works,
Speaker 4: like in an ideal world, because I mean I did,
Speaker 4: like a couple of years back, I quit my job,
Speaker 4: my other job, and like I went traveling through Southeast
Speaker 4: Asia for seven months, and you know, you know, best
Speaker 4: experience in my life. Was a great time, got toe
Speaker 4: tons of cool shit, but you know, you can't do
Speaker 4: that stuff forever. I did eventually like run out of money,
Speaker 4: and I guess I'm not really like I mean, with
Speaker 4: what I do, I should be able to get a
Speaker 4: remote job, but I don't like what I do either,
Speaker 4: So I've just been sort of like stuck trying to
Speaker 4: figure out what I can do that can make me
Speaker 4: money that also gives me like you know, flexibility to
Speaker 4: live like that. But uh, it's not so simple.
Speaker 1: M Why was your time in Southeast Asia so good?
Speaker 1: What were you doing? Was it just like the freedom?
Speaker 1: Was it like the people you were meeting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit of both. Uh, you know, freedom
Speaker 4: was nice just being able to you know, just wake
Speaker 4: up at like ten o'clock on a random Monday and
Speaker 4: just like be like, oh, yeah, fuck you, bro, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna climb this mountain then sandals and you know, just
Speaker 4: doing that, almost dying the process, but still having a
Speaker 4: good time. But like here, like living like this, you know,
Speaker 4: all I can really look forward to is like getting
Speaker 4: a drunk with my friends on the weekend. And yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just not really that, like, I don't know, enriching.
Speaker 4: I had to sound like one of those like you know,
Speaker 4: like hippie type people, you know, talking down on other people, saying,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, I can't believe they live their lives like this.
Speaker 4: But I genuinely, like I look at my friends, I'm like,
Speaker 4: how how are you not bored? Yet? You know, I
Speaker 4: find like a lot of this stuff really to be
Speaker 4: like really like boring, But I still do it because
Speaker 4: I don't really I mean, it's better than sitting at
Speaker 4: home like rewatching you know, TV shows or like playing
Speaker 4: video games or some shit.
Speaker 1: Are your friends having a similar dilemma as you or
Speaker 1: are they able to tolerate normal life better than you are.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know. I can't say for sure. I
Speaker 4: do ask them, and some of them seem like they're
Speaker 4: tolerating it quite well. But at the same time, you
Speaker 4: hear them complain about things which you know you can
Speaker 4: relate to. But I mean, I guess they're not looking
Speaker 4: as much to get out of it because they have
Speaker 4: a lot of things built around it, because you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of my friends have like long term relationships.
Speaker 4: They have like I got some friends that of like
Speaker 4: trying to buy off houses and stuff, Like they're trying
Speaker 4: to like start to pay for their mortgages and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. Uh, so they can I guess, you know,
Speaker 4: they can't really afford to hate what they have because
Speaker 4: they do need to like lock in a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but uh, I don't know. I mean, I think everyone
Speaker 4: does go through the same thing kind of But I
Speaker 4: don't know. I just I really, like, I really struggle
Speaker 4: to be okay with it.
Speaker 1: M m.
Speaker 4: M.
Speaker 1: Do you know anyone in your personal life who has
Speaker 1: escaped the matrix, so to speak?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know a couple of people that have. I
Speaker 4: mean one of some guy that I went to school with.
Speaker 4: Uh he I mean, I don't really know what he does.
Speaker 4: He stalls like automation courses on LinkedIn, and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: like you know, power to him. I I don't have
Speaker 4: it in me to do stuff like that, Like I
Speaker 4: really like, I hate using LinkedIn. I hate that whole like,
Speaker 4: you know, the whole culture of just sort of like
Speaker 4: trying to gas yourself up professionally and fill your you know,
Speaker 4: your CV with like random qualifications and stuff. But he's
Speaker 4: doing well for himself. I mean, I know a couple
Speaker 4: of people that, you know, they do freelance work, but uh,
Speaker 4: I mean for the most part, most of the people
Speaker 4: I know, they they just work like regular jobs. Mhm hm.
Speaker 1: Hmmm hmmm.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess that's not an issue you have
Speaker 4: to do with because you know, you just get to like,
Speaker 4: you know, put the get go costume on and like
Speaker 4: go wherever you want. Right.
Speaker 1: It's true. I I I do live a bit of
Speaker 1: a I do live a spoiled existence at this point
Speaker 1: where I can uh kind of gecko around, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but problems are still problems, you know, Like I
Speaker 4: feel I feel like when you're because you know, when
Speaker 4: I like, I have some friends that they they'll complain
Speaker 4: about like whatever problems they'll have, Like you know, again,
Speaker 4: like I have some friends that are like super rich,
Speaker 4: have nothing to worry about, and they'll complain about things,
Speaker 4: and I don't. I don't really hate on people for
Speaker 4: complaining about their problems because at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: like your problem is a problem, Like just because you're
Speaker 4: drowning under two feet of water doesn't mean you're still
Speaker 4: like not drowning.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, no, I'm with you. I mean everyone has problems,
Speaker 1: right like I I. I Actually it's funny, man, I
Speaker 1: used to kind of envision I definitely have done this
Speaker 1: thing where I when I was a kid, I remember
Speaker 1: like envisioning the lives of certain people that I looked
Speaker 1: up to, and I kind of imagined what it would
Speaker 1: be like to travel, or what it would be like
Speaker 1: to live this kind of lifestyle, or what it would
Speaker 1: be like to you know, get to be creative for
Speaker 1: a living at this thing. And when I imagined all
Speaker 1: those things, I imagined like a life where I, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't really have any problems, and there's I don't
Speaker 1: think there's such a thing as a life with those problems.
Speaker 1: I mean they're kind of I mean no, there totally
Speaker 1: is Actually I've totally met people before who have no problems.
Speaker 1: And I'm also I also delusionally believe that, you know,
Speaker 1: how like you can you can kind of keep delaying
Speaker 1: happiness or like delaying your life to quote unquote start
Speaker 1: until some certain set of external metrics are met. Over
Speaker 1: and over and over again, people find that the fulfillment
Speaker 1: of those external metrics does not really uh work. But uh,
Speaker 1: I've I don't believe that. I actually totally still believe
Speaker 1: despite how uh it's been proven counter over and over again,
Speaker 1: I still kind of believe that I'm like this close
Speaker 1: to a life without any problems. I just have to
Speaker 1: fix a few things that.
Speaker 4: Are like problem is, you know, can you give me
Speaker 4: some what do.
Speaker 1: I think my biggest problem is? Fuck, it's it's a role,
Speaker 1: It's a rolodex of things. I mean, like I'd like
Speaker 1: to be, uh, I'd like to be more aligned, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean by that? Aligned with what just well,
Speaker 1: like I'd like to be like living a life for
Speaker 1: like every single day. I feel like I'm like aligned
Speaker 1: with what I should be doing in the universe, which
Speaker 1: I which does have I know, I know that like, uh,
Speaker 1: there's no such thing. It's like what you should be doing.
Speaker 1: Like I know that we live in kind of an
Speaker 1: open world, uh, free will whatever universe, but I feel
Speaker 1: there's some times like in my gut, I can feel
Speaker 1: when I'm aligned and how I'm currently spending the moment,
Speaker 1: and I can feel in my gut when I'm like,
Speaker 1: what we're doing right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean like those sort of things you do
Speaker 4: like in your in your dates to day or like
Speaker 4: you're weekly like streams or whatever you're doing.
Speaker 1: There. I think that having this conversation with you right now,
Speaker 1: I feel aligned in the fact that we're doing this,
Speaker 1: but it's not it doesn't feel like it's enough for me.
Speaker 1: I don't feel I always feel like I have to
Speaker 1: be doing more or like it's not even that I
Speaker 1: have to be doing it where it's like I was
Speaker 1: want to be doing more shit.
Speaker 4: But do you think it's like uh, I guess, uh,
Speaker 4: sort of in the realm of what you're doing, Like
Speaker 4: do you think like creating content is the sort of
Speaker 4: thing that makes you feel like you're aligned with what
Speaker 4: you should be doing, like or close to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh yeah, yeah, yeah, making making things? But then
Speaker 1: also I like being around people. And I guess the
Speaker 1: content that I make inherently forces me to be around people.
Speaker 1: So I guess i'd like to be I'd like to
Speaker 1: be living my life more. I'd always like to be
Speaker 1: living more intentionally. I mean I get I get swept away,
Speaker 1: as we all do by like the phone, and you know,
Speaker 1: weed and porn and life.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, see those are problems we don't have so
Speaker 4: much here because weed as illegal and porn is blocked
Speaker 4: on everything.
Speaker 1: Really okay, what's the story with that? No porn at all?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean can uh if you are a
Speaker 4: criminal who you know, engages in illegal activities, you can't
Speaker 4: use a VPM. Uh but I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure you don't.
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, drug is completely illegal. Like I know
Speaker 4: some people that have just fully like disappeared after getting caught,
Speaker 4: and you know that's enough for me to just never
Speaker 4: want to try it here.
Speaker 1: Dude. It's interesting because Dubai seems I've never been, but
Speaker 1: just my idea of it is it seems like a
Speaker 1: cocainey city.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah that that. I mean, I've definitely like, uh,
Speaker 4: I've seen some people that, like, you know, like these
Speaker 4: guys definitely have to be on code. But uh, I
Speaker 4: never like, you know, I don't partake in it when
Speaker 4: I'm sure, Like I if I do drugs, I do
Speaker 4: it in a you know, in a place where I'm
Speaker 4: not going to get into like huge trouble for it,
Speaker 4: like uh you know, but not here. Not here, like
Speaker 4: alcohol is enough for me.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, hmmm. Are they big drinkers over there? Do
Speaker 1: they get Are they always getting sucked up?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean not not the local people, because they
Speaker 4: tend to be more uh you know, on the religious
Speaker 4: side of the spectrum. Uh, but uh, you know a
Speaker 4: lot of like me and my friends. Yeah, we always
Speaker 4: get drunk every weekend. We're always drinking. Maybe not right
Speaker 4: now because it's Ramadan, so you kind of you know,
Speaker 4: I I'm trying to be good. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 4: particularly religious, but uh, you know, I live with my parents,
Speaker 4: so kind of feel like I have to do it.
Speaker 1: Is the Middle East in general kind of dry, Like
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's dry, obviously the climate is dry.
Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, yeah, because when I was when
Speaker 1: I was in Iraq, like, no, I don't I I
Speaker 1: couldn't tell whether or not alcohol was legal, but I
Speaker 1: never it was never sold anywhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's usually they I mean I've seen that it
Speaker 4: like when I went to Morocco. It usually sort of
Speaker 4: operates under the like under a system where you know,
Speaker 4: you don't serve it openly and broad daylight, but you
Speaker 4: can still get it here as well. For the longest
Speaker 4: time it was like that. But I guess in the
Speaker 4: last couple of years since they opened up the tourists,
Speaker 4: they've wanted to, I guess, make it, you know, it
Speaker 4: make their image seem a bit more like western or friendly.
Speaker 4: So now they have, like I guess, more more bars
Speaker 4: and nightclubs and beach clubs and stuff like that that
Speaker 4: are like pretty like you know out there in front
Speaker 4: of you. You still can't advertise alcohol though, but you
Speaker 4: know they're alcohol shops. Like I can walk ten minutes
Speaker 4: down the road and go and buy a bottle of
Speaker 4: vodka if I want. You know, what's a little bit
Speaker 4: over priced but still good.
Speaker 1: What's the stupidest like luxury thing you've seen in Dubai,
Speaker 1: Like if you see like like shit like a like
Speaker 1: a thirty thousand dollars dollar golden slice of pizza type shiit?
Speaker 1: What's the stupidest thing like that that you've seen.
Speaker 4: Oh damn, that's uh. I remember when I was when
Speaker 4: I was in school, there was this one girl in
Speaker 4: my class that had a birthday party. She threw a
Speaker 4: birthday party, and uh, first start, I was not invited
Speaker 4: to this birthday party. I just heard, like, you know,
Speaker 4: some people that went to it. Uh huh. So uh,
Speaker 4: you know, when you're a kid, you give like goodie
Speaker 4: bags at the birthday parties to all your guests, you know,
Speaker 4: thank you for coming. Yeah, those goodie bags they had
Speaker 4: iPads in them, like the new way.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, were you?
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, I did get a little bit of fomo.
Speaker 4: But you know, if I'm being real, I didn't really
Speaker 4: know this girl that well, so of course you know
Speaker 4: it wouldn't be me.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: What's what's like the stupidest thing you've just seen advertised
Speaker 1: on the street.
Speaker 4: The stupidest thing I've seen advertised? Yeah, oh oh, that's
Speaker 4: hard to say. I mean they don't really like they're
Speaker 4: not that stupid of their advertising here. I think it's
Speaker 4: it's still it's it's very similar to what you would
Speaker 4: see in like any metropolitan city. I mean, I remember
Speaker 4: this isn't on the street. This is like in a
Speaker 4: shopping wall. But there's just like this one phone shop,
Speaker 4: like it's a brand, and they specialize in making phones
Speaker 4: that are like you know, essentially like timped out. Like
Speaker 4: you know, the new iPhone comes out, they'll like take
Speaker 4: it to their workshop and encrusted with like gold and
Speaker 4: diamonds and shit, and then just sell it for like
Speaker 4: you know, like ten times workup, and some people, I'm
Speaker 4: ironically buy that shit.
Speaker 3: Hmmm.
Speaker 1: Have you ever bought any like stupid luxury stuff or
Speaker 1: that's not that it doesn't sound like that's your it's
Speaker 1: your taste.
Speaker 4: Uh, I mean, yeah, I'm pretty like, uh, I'm pretty cheap.
Speaker 4: I can't lie. Like if if it's for someone's gift,
Speaker 4: I'll like, you know, I'll get something that's luxurious. But
Speaker 4: if it's for myself, like I mean, you know, if
Speaker 4: I'm being completely honest, like I know where to find
Speaker 4: good fakes of shit if I really want luxury things.
Speaker 4: But I don't really wear like designer clothes or anything
Speaker 4: like that. I don't really like uh yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: I do, like like a good hotel or like a
Speaker 4: good like uh you know, spat day or some shit
Speaker 4: like that. Uh, but if it's something that's just like
Speaker 4: like fully materialistic, then yeah, this is really my sort
Speaker 4: of thing.
Speaker 1: What's the stupidest thing your rich friends have bought?
Speaker 4: Hmm? My friends don't really buy dumb shit. I mean
Speaker 4: sometimes they'll pay like dumb amounts some money for convenience,
Speaker 4: but like they don't really like buy stupid shit. I mean,
Speaker 4: I have this one aunt that I don't even know
Speaker 4: if I should I should say this. They basically, like
Speaker 4: some people that we know, spend like a buck ton
Speaker 4: of money just to park a private jet, Like more
Speaker 4: money than I make in a month. They'll spend in
Speaker 4: a day just to park this jet, which is crazy
Speaker 4: to whoa. But I don't think that's even that stupid though,
Speaker 4: because you know, if you own it, I guess you
Speaker 4: have no choice. I mean, owning a private jet, you know,
Speaker 4: by itself a lot of like you know, moral and uh,
Speaker 4: I guess practical questions you got to ask yourself. But
Speaker 4: if you're gonna park your private jet, I mean, you
Speaker 4: have no choice but to park it in that expensive place.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Dude, what's your name again?
Speaker 4: Uh? I don't even think I said it. My name
Speaker 4: is Omar, Omar, Omar.
Speaker 1: You know, we've been talking for over half an hour,
Speaker 1: and I'm realizing I never really asked you. And it's
Speaker 1: okay if you actually just wanted to talk. But was
Speaker 1: there a specific reason why you called me today?
Speaker 4: I honestly, I just saw your Instagram stories saying that
Speaker 4: you were taking calls and I figured I may as
Speaker 4: well give it a shot, swag. This was a specific reasons.
Speaker 4: I just want to talk about, like working shit.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I hope you find some form of clarity
Speaker 1: in life. I wish i'd do. Here's the thing, man, is,
Speaker 1: like I wish I had better answers for you because
Speaker 1: I don't want to go like, I don't know, man.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm down to go all Gary Vee and be
Speaker 1: like you should fucking quit your job and learn how
Speaker 1: to drop ship soap or whatever it is. But I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I don't know. It's life hits you hard.
Speaker 1: But I do have this. I mean, I got a
Speaker 1: little bit of survivors whatever, but it's still a bit
Speaker 1: of a belief that, like, if you want to figure
Speaker 1: out some alternative way to live your life, it's out
Speaker 1: there for the taking. Should you, uh, should you really
Speaker 1: desire it. I don't know what that looks like for you, though,
Speaker 1: Do you have an idea of what that would look
Speaker 1: like for you?
Speaker 4: Couldn't tell you, Man, couldn't tell you. I mean, it
Speaker 4: just compolds me being comfortable and in some like random
Speaker 4: place around the world. Probably not, you're though, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the that's the dream everywhere is
Speaker 1: like every the dream is to fucking the dream is
Speaker 1: always to leave.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: There's people who are like coming from like uh uh,
Speaker 1: like developing countries that are like, oh, the dream is
Speaker 1: to go to America, And there's people in America where
Speaker 1: like the dream is to go to a developing country
Speaker 1: where it's cheaper. Like I feel like a dream is
Speaker 1: always to leave, no matter where you are.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's becoming a more common thing nowadays that
Speaker 4: people in developed countries want to go to developing countries
Speaker 4: so that they can live with like you know, they
Speaker 4: can just sort of live on a shoe string budget
Speaker 4: and still live nicely. Yeah, but I'm like kind of uh,
Speaker 4: I guess opposed to that idea just because I don't know,
Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of people like that, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've been to like Thailand or
Speaker 4: like Bali before. But there's just a lot of people
Speaker 4: out there, like Westerners, that they live that sort of life,
Speaker 4: and I don't think the locals particularly like those kinds
Speaker 4: of people that much.
Speaker 1: Probably not. No, I can't see why. I can't see
Speaker 1: why they would. I mean, yeah, people in general don't like, uh, well,
Speaker 1: it's funny because like, well it's the whole thing. It's funny,
Speaker 1: the whole thing of like you know, when white people
Speaker 1: do it, it's like expat and then like when people
Speaker 1: move to the US, they're immigrants and it's like there's
Speaker 1: no real difference. Yeah, but uh, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's an attractive thing. It's like the American dream
Speaker 1: now is to like leave America and yeah, go to
Speaker 1: go to somewhere where your dollar can go farther. But
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's like. In Dubai, it seems like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it seems like you have uh.
Speaker 4: Well, I.
Speaker 1: You seem like you have like you got your family
Speaker 1: and you got your friends there, so it seems like
Speaker 1: you have at least that version of life pretty pretty
Speaker 1: well there. Mhm.
Speaker 4: That's true. At least I have people around me, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, life does get like a lot more like
Speaker 4: depressing when you're doing on any way around you.
Speaker 1: Dude, it's the only thing. I mean, it's not the
Speaker 1: only thing, but it's the most important thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like even if the people around you and your
Speaker 4: parents drive you crazy, like you know, I I don't know,
Speaker 4: it does kind of be being alone, but sometimes.
Speaker 1: It doesn't, no, because you have you sound like you
Speaker 1: have a lot of friends in Dubai, Like you get
Speaker 1: drunk with your bodies on the weekends.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, yeah, how many guys are there?
Speaker 1: How many guys are there?
Speaker 4: I mean I don't like I guess, like if I'm
Speaker 4: talking like like close friends, I don't know, I'd say
Speaker 4: I have like six.
Speaker 1: Or seven That's what I do have, like a lot
Speaker 1: of And you have a lot of aquaincess too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of acquaintances, A lot of people that, like,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm chill with. But I guess I don't
Speaker 4: really like do much other than like you know, see
Speaker 4: them when I like leave the house.
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm gonna tell you this. I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 1: I know you're struggling with the money thing and with
Speaker 1: like the job thing. But dude, at twenty six years old,
Speaker 1: if you live somewhere where you have six close friends
Speaker 1: and then you're chill with a bunch of other people,
Speaker 1: that's you're doing fucking great. Like that's that's a lot, dude.
Speaker 1: I really do believe that because as you get older,
Speaker 1: it's as you get older and like you're kind of
Speaker 1: people spread out and you kind of find yourself on
Speaker 1: your own and stuff, like having those homies is the
Speaker 1: thing that keeps you grounded in fucking reality. You know,
Speaker 1: that's what you that's what you want. So so it
Speaker 1: sounds fucking corny, and I'm not saying it like makes
Speaker 1: up for all things, but like you, if you you
Speaker 1: should at least like, like, I hope you feel rich
Speaker 1: in that. Oh God, that sounded so fucking corny, but
Speaker 1: but I really do. I really am, Like I really
Speaker 1: it sounded so fucking corny, but I really do feel like, uh,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a strong that's a strong blessing.
Speaker 4: I got it. I got it. I mean like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you say it sounds corny, but you know, conventional wisdom
Speaker 4: is conventional for reason. You know, it's because it kind
Speaker 4: of works.
Speaker 1: Omar you said your name was Yeah, it's been nice
Speaker 1: talking man. I appreciate you calling man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for picking up man. I was really suppressed.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 4: I mean, I had a YouTube channel. I would plug it,
Speaker 4: but I don't really post on it much anymore.
Speaker 1: What were you posting? What were you making?
Speaker 4: I was I guess you're just posting content where I yap.
Speaker 4: I mean the channel name is literally omar is Yapping,
Speaker 4: but I haven't posted on that in like a year.
Speaker 4: And I mean, I look back at the content I
Speaker 4: made and I don't even like. I look at it
Speaker 4: think yeah, this kind of sucks. Could do better, But yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I feel like if I can't do
Speaker 4: it consistently, then maybe it's not for me. I don't know.
Speaker 1: M Well, can I see it? What's what's the name?
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, it's called It's actually just called omar is Yapping.
Speaker 1: YouTube batcom slash omar is yeah, ping, let's see four
Speaker 1: or four are not founds?
Speaker 4: Hold on?
Speaker 1: Might google it or I'm gonna YouTube search.
Speaker 4: I will share this with anybody. Man. I don't know
Speaker 4: why I go so comfortable in this.
Speaker 1: I can't even I mean, I can't really find it.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know, it's it's still it's still out there.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, at least for Omar O M A R.
Speaker 1: Wait there you are, yeah, there you are. There are
Speaker 1: exposing my deepest, darkest secrets. For cloud is that you Yeah,
Speaker 1: you seem like you regret telling me about this.
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, I think it's one of those things
Speaker 4: like what's the point of making content if you can't
Speaker 4: tell anybody that you make content? But at the same time,
Speaker 4: I really don't. I really I don't want people to
Speaker 4: like that, I know, to know that know about it,
Speaker 4: But at the same time, like who fucking cares?
Speaker 1: And you know, it's really like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I haven't posted on in the year anyway.
Speaker 1: Wait look at that. Wait, hold on, wait, brother, hold on, Okay,
Speaker 1: we got to talk because you have a thumbnail here.
Speaker 1: You have a video that says embrace the cringe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know the thing that I was. I was
Speaker 4: in that mindset a year ago, and now I like,
Speaker 4: I I look at that and I think, like, now, like,
Speaker 4: who the fuck am I to be telling people to
Speaker 4: embrace the cringe? Because I'm you know, very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: So then so why not why not take this opportunity
Speaker 1: to return to your roots and embrace the cringe.
Speaker 4: I think that's the thing. It's just kind of hard
Speaker 4: when you're in this sort of like uh I mean
Speaker 4: that that's the sort of environment I'm in. You know,
Speaker 4: everybody just sort of like it's always like looking for
Speaker 4: things to talk about. Uh So, for example, if if
Speaker 4: if somebody that you know it was to have a
Speaker 4: YouTube channel, you know, people would like joke about it
Speaker 4: and just like have to have something to say about it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, who fucking cares the
Speaker 4: people like that think.
Speaker 2: But you know, it does hurt.
Speaker 4: It does hurt a little bit. Does hurt a little bit.
Speaker 1: I just commented on it, I said, embrace the cringe.
Speaker 4: Thank you for this comment.
Speaker 1: Subscribing, I subscribe. I hope you put out a new video.
Speaker 4: All right, Thank you so much, Lyle. I appreciate it. Again,
Speaker 4: Like I can't I can't believe I'm talking to you, man,
Speaker 4: I can't believe kept it. I can't believe I haven't
Speaker 4: managed to trip over my words or make myself sound
Speaker 4: like an idiot for the last half an hour or However, longing.
Speaker 1: To speaking professional yapper Omar.
Speaker 4: I'm no, I would say, I'm an I'm sure yapper.
Speaker 1: Good enough. It's it's been good talking to you, Omar.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing everything with us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good talking to you as well.
Speaker 1: Love you, Lowe Hey, love me too, brother. You take care,
Speaker 1: Sue see Omar, that was Omar, good guy. I don't
Speaker 1: usually tell people I love them back, but I felt
Speaker 1: it in that moment. I did. I felt it in
Speaker 1: that moment Omar, Omar, Omar touched me. He seemed like
Speaker 1: a good guy. Got check out. Omar is yapping on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Everyone go on his channel and tell him to keep
Speaker 1: making videos. Hello everyone, thank you very much for listening
Speaker 1: to the Therapy Gotical podcast. I'm going to end today's
Speaker 1: episode by reading one piece of gek mail is email
Speaker 1: that was sent to me a gecko that I am
Speaker 1: going to read. So I'll read this one piece of
Speaker 1: viewer email first, and then you guys can go. I
Speaker 1: mean you can go right now. I'm not this isn't school,
Speaker 1: but yes, we'll do this and then we'll end the episode.
Speaker 1: So this is from Jamie. Subject line catfishing people made
Speaker 1: me transgender. I don't know where this is going, but
Speaker 1: let's read it well and then we'll find out. Hello,
Speaker 1: Wise Lizard of the Computer, Hello Jamie. I'm Jamie for now,
Speaker 1: but as the title may suggest, that is subject to change.
Speaker 1: Before we get into it, I should mention I do
Speaker 1: have a therapist, and he's great, but I need someone
Speaker 1: a bit fucking being crazy who can look at this
Speaker 1: and acknowledge it for the mess that it is. Okay,
Speaker 1: I am honored to be that person who's a bit
Speaker 1: fucking crazy. About four years ago, I started college, recently
Speaker 1: out of COVID. Everyone's been inside for ages and it
Speaker 1: was hard to break the ice. So I did what
Speaker 1: any well adjusted person would do, and I made a
Speaker 1: bunch of accounts on dating sites, posing as a chick,
Speaker 1: with the idea being that the experience would bring some
Speaker 1: funny stories to help me talk to the people around
Speaker 1: me and make some friends, and for what it's worth,
Speaker 1: it did. However, somewhere down the line, I found myself
Speaker 1: enjoying it a little more than for how I had
Speaker 1: initially intended. I felt comfortable for the first time possibly
Speaker 1: in my life. I felt connected, even at two am,
Speaker 1: when I really should have been sleeping parentheses. I failed
Speaker 1: college over this, btw, So I took a step back.
Speaker 1: I assessed my situation and I went, huh, what a coincidence,
Speaker 1: and just ignored it like a fucking champ. But then
Speaker 1: calamity struck. All the accounts got banned and I was
Speaker 1: left with nothing. I just had to make do with
Speaker 1: the stories I had collected and told thus far. But
Speaker 1: I missed it. And when I thought about missing it,
Speaker 1: I realized it wasn't the stories I collected that I missed,
Speaker 1: but it was the moment to moment interactions and being
Speaker 1: seen in that way. So I took another look at
Speaker 1: myself and went, huh, well, I guess there's nothing I
Speaker 1: can do. But around this time, I started seeing a
Speaker 1: therapist because my grades suck and I kept falling asleeping class.
Speaker 1: We got to talking about things, and at this point
Speaker 1: I realized that my issues stemmed from just enjoying. My
Speaker 1: issues stemmed further than just enjoying how the people in
Speaker 1: the dating app saw me, but also hating how people
Speaker 1: in person saw me. That's when the idea of being
Speaker 1: transgender fully fledged in my mind. But there's a pretty
Speaker 1: signific problem with all this the way I found out
Speaker 1: about the about all this myself is objectively immoral, and
Speaker 1: I think it might also be a little bit illegal.
Speaker 1: Is it illegal? I don't know if that's illegal. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's necessarily illegal to pretend to be
Speaker 1: someone you or not on a dating app.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's like a hinge law uh. That
Speaker 1: makes me feel like I don't deserve this. Maybe I'm
Speaker 1: a piece of shit who should suffer hating their body,
Speaker 1: mind and voice until the end of days as a
Speaker 1: punishment for being a bad person. But then I can't
Speaker 1: be a good person and do good things if I'm
Speaker 1: not comfortable in the world. It's a real fucking mess, dude,
Speaker 1: which is why I wanted to write you, because so
Speaker 1: many people these days are so afraid of putting foot wrong,
Speaker 1: and all they want to do is put you in
Speaker 1: some fucking reinforcement chamber so they look like better people.
Speaker 1: I need the advice of someone real as fuck, and
Speaker 1: I can't think of anyone realer than the lizard guy
Speaker 1: who talks to crazy people on the internet. So what
Speaker 1: do you think, a wise lizard man? The moral of
Speaker 1: the story, I guess is, don't believe everything you see
Speaker 1: online and sometimes you gotta do it for the lore ps.
Speaker 1: If you were an item in the fortnight Shop, I
Speaker 1: would buy you. Well, Jamie, Uh, listen, there's nothing wrong, Jamie.
Speaker 1: Why do you Jamie, what's going on? Why do you
Speaker 1: think you're such a terrible person. I'm goanna, Look, you
Speaker 1: were fucking around on the dating apps pretending to be
Speaker 1: a woman. You realize that you kind of liked what
Speaker 1: it was like being perceived as a woman. You realize, so,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever, this is how you found out that
Speaker 1: you were trans You know, it's not it's not insane
Speaker 1: that this is how you found out. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. I think there's things around this
Speaker 1: perhaps that are indicators of I don't insanity as is
Speaker 1: quite a word, but there's there's things around this where
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, making smurf dating accounts, this thing
Speaker 1: where you're like, I went on dating sites posing as
Speaker 1: a chick so I would have funny stories to tell people,
Speaker 1: because that's the way I'm going to make connections with others.
Speaker 1: That's the only part of me, that's the main part
Speaker 1: of this that feels crazy to me, not like like, look,
Speaker 1: If this is the way you found out that you
Speaker 1: prefer being seen as a woman, that's that's fine. The
Speaker 1: crazy thing is this idea that like you need to
Speaker 1: have crazy stories in order of like fucking with people
Speaker 1: on the internet in order to connect with people. That's
Speaker 1: where your logic is flawed. I actually feel like that
Speaker 1: will help. That makes you connect with people less, because
Speaker 1: here's the thing, Jamie, is you're gonna connect with people
Speaker 1: because you're taking interest in them, not because like like
Speaker 1: if you're in a conversation with someone and you just
Speaker 1: keep telling you're like, oh, the way to have if
Speaker 1: you are following a line of logic that's telling you
Speaker 1: the way to connect with someone and have a conversation
Speaker 1: with them is to pretend to be a woman on
Speaker 1: a dating app and then fuck with guys and have
Speaker 1: weird stories about it. You're you're not gonna connect with
Speaker 1: that person at all. You're just gonna be a wall
Speaker 1: of yourself. You're gonna tell these people a bunch of
Speaker 1: stories that they don't care about, and you're just gonna
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be like, Oh, that person doesn't know
Speaker 1: how to connect with people. They're just gonna tell me
Speaker 1: these stories you know that they're just gonna be like
Speaker 1: a wall of themselves that's not really connecting. That's just
Speaker 1: like throwing your existence at somebody. So my advice to
Speaker 1: you is to you know, next time you're in a conversation,
Speaker 1: don't bring any of this shit it up. Ask them
Speaker 1: how they're doing, you know, say something like, hey, do
Speaker 1: you have any have you been doing anything interesting lately?
Speaker 1: And then when they say no, not really say oh,
Speaker 1: is there anything you'd like to be doing? You know,
Speaker 1: just keep back, like ask them questions. If someone was
Speaker 1: talking to me about like fucking with people on dating
Speaker 1: apps and like they just brought it up and they
Speaker 1: just kept talking about it, I would listen to them
Speaker 1: because I would be curious for sure, but I wouldn't
Speaker 1: walk away from that feeling like I connected with another person.
Speaker 1: So that's my two cents is, you know, you don't
Speaker 1: have to be interesting, you have to be interested Jamie,
Speaker 1: and you know, congrats on finding out that your trans
Speaker 1: I don't think that's inherently crazy. I need the advice
Speaker 1: of someone real as fuck, and I can't think of
Speaker 1: anyone realer than the lizard guy who talks to crazy
Speaker 1: people on the internet.
Speaker 4: You're right.
Speaker 1: I am a little bit crazy.
Speaker 4: We all are. Jamie.
Speaker 1: I'd buy you if you were an item in the
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Speaker 1: I don't have anything more productive to say. This has
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Speaker 1: live in the city of Tokyo, Japan, I am doing
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Speaker 1: If so, maybe you're off work and you want to come.
Speaker 1: I'm also doing thirty other shows across America in many
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Speaker 1: I have some material that I'll be doing. I have
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Speaker 1: this has been therapy Getcko. My name is Lyle. Thank
Speaker 1: you guys as always for listening, and see you folks
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