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Speaker 1: I have a strange question for you today. Do you

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Speaker 1: have a favorite Muppet? Um? I did? I think it was, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been a long time. Either it was Gonzo or

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Speaker 1: Teddy Fonzi Fonziz, Yes, Fonzi the Bear. Yeah, Funzy was

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Speaker 1: having a struggle, have to look it up. I didn't

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Speaker 1: and I'm not sure why, not that he's like a

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Speaker 1: When we were growing up obviously like outside of the

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Speaker 1: are saying that's wrong, but Fozzy band Like, there's so

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Speaker 1: many things that it doesn't connect. As an adult, that

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Speaker 1: liked that. Well, I'm bringing this up because we've been

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Speaker 1: doing a lot of contents around sustainability and environmentalism and

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Speaker 1: that back. But the title, of course is it Ain't

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Speaker 1: Easy Being Green. So yeah, I forgot. You did such

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Speaker 1: a great job with that title. Also, we may get

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Speaker 1: copyright infringement here we go. Well, we've dodged the bullets

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Speaker 1: so far, but yes, here we go. Please enjoy this

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Speaker 1: classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome

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Speaker 1: to stuff. Never told you protection of I heart ideas,

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Speaker 1: how stuff parks. You have probably heard about our topic today,

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Speaker 1: the study that is making the rounds in in our

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Speaker 1: who don't recycle because they are afraid that doing so

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Speaker 1: make others perceive them as homosexual. Right right, So, yes,

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Speaker 1: this is a star homophobia, among other things. That's the

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Speaker 1: what we are about. No sarcasm. Um. There has been

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Speaker 1: empathy and just good kind humanity. Yeah, I like I

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Speaker 1: like a planet that's habitable. And I know there's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of talk about recycling, and they that recycling

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Speaker 1: these habits to just so much more than just recycling,

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Speaker 1: like not even bringing a canvas bag. Um and Stephen

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Speaker 1: Colbert after this study came out, he ran with this

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Speaker 1: the earth maybe boiling and broiling to a crisp But

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Speaker 1: according to a new study, men don't recycle to avoid

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Speaker 1: looking gay. Really, really, man, is there no limit to

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Speaker 1: straight male fragility? This isn't just to toxic masculiney. This

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Speaker 1: is literally toxic. And as a rugged heterosexual man, I

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Speaker 1: feel responsible to convince my fellow harry chested man men

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Speaker 1: my god, you know what, this doesn't remind me a

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Speaker 1: little of um, the Parks and rec episode with the

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Speaker 1: lawn versus Ron. I feel like that's an interesting because

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Speaker 1: I kept thinking about that, about the dudes who are

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Speaker 1: like the Ron Swanson type dudes who who live off

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Speaker 1: the earth and who make all their own stuff and

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Speaker 1: are always seen as supermanly. But I guess it's just

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Speaker 1: when it comes to carrying bags. Yeah, we we need

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Speaker 1: to get rid of we need to recycle these outdated

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Speaker 1: gender attitudes and just move forward. On to move forward. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's not assign things with gender as gender about that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: um so that's where will we'll stop for this episode.

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Speaker 1: UM we do wanna um do an episode around eco feminism.

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Speaker 1: That's something that's been I've been excited to talk about

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Speaker 1: for a while. So if you have anything about that,

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Speaker 1: our super producer Andrew Howard, who recycles yes, and thanks

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