1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Native Lampard is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. There have been several recent Democratic Socialists 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: wins Bakari pulled for us. I think over the weekend 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: a tweet if we can pull that tweet up, there 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: was a Twitter paraphrase from the NYC h d s 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: A co chair, and in that tweet, he basically is 7 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: saying that he wants to use the Democratic Party as 8 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: a vehicle for their their their wins, you know, the 9 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: for the primary elections he wants to ensure mm hmm. 10 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: I'll read it verbatim for those of you at home. 11 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: D s A co chair the quote, We're using the 12 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: Democratic Party as a ballot access vehicle, not because we 13 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: share its goals. We build our own organization, get elected 14 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: under the Democrat label, caucus with Democrats when it's useful, 15 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: and push our own agenda from the inside. We see 16 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: the Democratic establishment as an obstacle, not a home end quote. 17 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: We've seen things from a former DNC chair or Jimmy 18 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: Harrison saying things like, don't use our resources, don't use 19 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: our vehicle. 20 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: Our space if you're not aligned with our values. 21 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: But y'all remember Democratic Party is a big ten party. 22 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: So who's to say Medicare can't be for all? Who's 23 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: to say that there shouldn't be a livable wage. I 24 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: think that we agree with a lot of those values. 25 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 1: So Bakari Republican, Bakari almost Republican, Bakari, Blue Dog. 26 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: Democrat, biccar. What is the problem? 27 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: Like why why is the biggest tent only applied to 28 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: moderate white Democrats but it doesn't. 29 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: Bernies of the world. 30 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: I think, first of all, it does apply to the 31 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 3: Bernies of the world. But we have to remember Bernie 32 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: got outwardly rejected in the primary, not once but twice. 33 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 3: I mean, people try to act like the race was close. 34 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 3: He lost by four million votes to Hillary Rodham Clinton. 35 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 3: I think that there are I think that there are 36 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: things that can be learned from the elections that we 37 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: saw in the victories. The first thing that I'll point out, though, 38 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: is if you look at Colorado, which is the most recent. 39 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 2: Election, Colorado. 40 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 3: Say it again, Colorado, how you pronounce it? 41 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: Ka lo? 42 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: Raw do there's an L. I don't know who Colorado is. 43 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: Colorado is kllo. 44 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 3: So this is why, first I don't necessarily buy stock 45 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 3: in this kind of DSA movement that we're just getting 46 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: more progressive. I think that the number one thing we're 47 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 3: seeing is kind of anti incumbency. It's a fight back 48 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 3: against Democrats not fighting because Diana did to get who 49 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 3: got beat last night. She was a member of the 50 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 3: Progressive Party. She voted against the Iraq War. She's strongly 51 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 3: pro choice, she's pro gun control, she supports Medicare for all. 52 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 3: She was a twenty twenty one impeachment manager. She voted 53 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 3: against November twenty twenty three Israel Aid, and she's less 54 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 3: than seventy years old. The problem that she had is 55 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 3: that she stayed too long, and she was there for 56 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 3: fifteen years. So I do think that there is a 57 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 3: great deal of anti incumbency that we're seeing across the country. 58 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 3: That's first, second, affordability, things like that, the Mundani message 59 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 3: on affordability, what we saw in New York talking about 60 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 3: making consumer goods, particularly when you have a trillionaire in 61 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 3: the country but you have people who can't afford to 62 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 3: buy their prescription drugs that pay their utility bills. Those 63 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 3: are messages that need to be heard. But I'm also 64 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: not a Democrat who believes in making sure we have 65 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 3: open open borders. I'm not a Democrat who believes in 66 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 3: defunding police. I can disagree with you if you were 67 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: gonna be under the same tent. I don't need to 68 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: be a coon because I disagree with abolishing the Senate. 69 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 3: Like if that's one of your major platforms, I disagree with. 70 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: You who said abolish the Senate. 71 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: Oh, that's one of the that's one of the tenets 72 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: of DSA. Where that's what I can send it to 73 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 3: you that. 74 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: I would like to see it. 75 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: Malac Cairos is an Ethiopian immigrant. 76 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 3: So I can here it is abolish the Senate, the 77 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 3: Democratic the DSA's new platform. Workers deserve more. Abolish the Senate, 78 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: Abolish the Carcero State, Abolish Ice and grant amnesty for all, 79 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: replace the President and the Supreme Court, free Palestine, public 80 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: ownership of major corporations, remake elections nationwide, in sanctions on Cuba, 81 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: Venezuela and Iran, and defund the Department of War. So 82 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 3: I mean, while we have a shmortgage board of ideals, I. 83 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 2: Mean where is that? 84 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: I mean here, I'll send it to you. 85 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I think that you know what. The 86 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: other thing that I'm worried about. 87 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: I think that the Democratic Socialists of America are also 88 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: getting credit for some justice dim winds are also getting 89 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: credit for some working families parties wins right. I'm not 90 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: saying that they haven't been kind of a line there, 91 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: but I think that what they do offer, even if 92 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: they do caucus with the Democrats because they agree more 93 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: often than they don't, is what an actual democracy would 94 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: look like, which is dimension, and we talk about it 95 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: on the show often. 96 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: So the thing that I'm concerned about. 97 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: Is like, what is seeming to be louder and louder 98 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: hypocrisy around Oh with Democratic Party as long as we 99 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: win in the midterms. 100 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: But that doesn't really sound like where they're landing. 101 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 3: But they're also but they're also not so d s A. 102 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 3: They're winning in democratic seats. They are not. They're winning 103 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 3: in blue seats. We're not talking about every seat that 104 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 3: we're talking about in New York or Colorado to Washington, DC, 105 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 3: however you pronounce it, Oh yeah, Washington d C. You're 106 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 3: talking about democratic areas. You're not talking about Lucy McBeth seat. 107 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: You're not talking about competitive South Carolina District one. You're 108 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 3: not talking about these seats. 109 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 4: So why we're why are we fighting? Then if they 110 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 4: are winning in democratic areas, a democratic area should, in 111 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 4: my opinion. 112 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 5: Reflect the bold distance most rageous democratic ideas because because 113 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 5: this doesn't places, because voters do not segregate when they 114 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 5: go vote. They don't say I'm gonna pick a loser now, 115 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 5: so that when they go against the Republican we can 116 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 5: have somebody up on the stage talking about the stuff 117 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 5: that we want to hear talked about. 118 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 4: But we know they're going to lose. They pick a 119 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 4: person who they believe if they made it to the 120 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 4: next round, that they would win, that they would excite 121 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 4: the half of the people. 122 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 3: In this country who do not vote because and and 123 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: you know this, Unfortunately, Andrew, and you know this that 124 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: nothing happens in a vacuum. 125 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: And so now johns threat, what's the threat? 126 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: But the threat is not anything that. The threat is 127 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 3: that we have to have this conversation. But so loud? 128 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 4: Why is he so loud? You want to credit you 129 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 4: for when we talked about after New York's race, you 130 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 4: spent your time on that race talking about the fact 131 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 4: that these people do not represent the majority of the 132 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 4: Democratic Party. And my response to that was simply no, 133 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 4: they don't. But but guess what, we don't know what 134 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 4: represents the majority of them, because listen, we are we 135 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 4: are practically a coalition government. We don't have that technically 136 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 4: here they have that in Great Britain, but the Democratic 137 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 4: Party represents almost a coalition government. It is a coalition 138 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 4: government all of these different interests who are coming together 139 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 4: and saying and while while collectively we don't have the 140 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 4: same thing at heart, but you're closer to me than 141 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 4: the other guys, and so we're going to come together 142 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 4: and hopefully we'll be able to advance some public policy 143 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 4: that moves us closer. 144 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 3: To My only point is people like people like Roy 145 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 3: Cooper for example, people like John Assol for example, people 146 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 3: like Keisha Lance Bottoms for example, or Jermaine Johnson for example, 147 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: people who are running for office in different parts of 148 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: the world with different demographics that are set forth. I'm 149 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 3: simply saying that they are going to have fundamental tension 150 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 3: in the way that they view party politics, in the 151 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 3: way that they view initiatives. And we're not going to 152 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 3: even get into the fact that a lot of DSA 153 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 3: they have abandoned or never adopted or having given two 154 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: good goddamns about the racial about the intercourse of racial 155 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 3: politics in this country and socioeconomics in this country. 156 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 4: So the first was that the Democratic Party hasn't to 157 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 4: the extent votes they can get, but. 158 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: I would call But then I would call, I would 159 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 3: call BS because the Democratic Party is the conglomerate of 160 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: the CBC, and the overwhelming majority of those CBC members 161 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: sit in the South. And the only reason I'm pushing 162 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: back into. 163 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 4: The first person at the Democratic Party. 164 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: The first person that the first person, that the first person, 165 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: but you've got to run through that area if you're 166 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 3: going to be a Democratic nominee. Again, the first person 167 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: that was the first, I agree with you the first 168 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 3: we're actually saying the same thing on that. The first 169 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: person that was brought up to me was Bernie Sanders. 170 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: And the reason why Bernie Sanders wasn't successful, the three 171 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: of us know that is because Bernie Sanders could not 172 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 3: could not threat the needle of understanding the body politic 173 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: of race in this country with the overlay of socioeconomic 174 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 3: level of socioeconomic concern. The best example I can give 175 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 3: you is the reason that black folk and Native Americans, 176 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 3: particularly black folks had died at higher rates than their 177 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 3: white counterparts during covid is because we live in food deserts, 178 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 3: because we drink unclean water, because we don't have access 179 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: to quality care, and unfortunately we could have been on 180 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: the precipice of a new reconstruction, but we never dealt 181 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 3: with those issues because we because we never go ahead. 182 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 4: I'm not a defender of Bernie Sanders, and I'm also 183 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 4: not believing, but but we're we're we're not holding these 184 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 4: two things to the same standard. You're saying the Democratic 185 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 4: Party is this, and then you're laying on a tax 186 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 4: that that that might be salient against Why the Progressive 187 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 4: Party or the progressive form of the Democratic Party is 188 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 4: a bad option or is not the right option that 189 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 4: folks out to choose. And by the way, to all 190 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 4: those people, Roy Cooper Bottoms, uh, all all the places 191 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 4: where these Democrats are competing for votes in areas where 192 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 4: it is difficult to be described progressive in your thinking, 193 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 4: they ought to have to hold the tension. They ought 194 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 4: to have to deal with what I need to know 195 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 4: as a voter, what are you going to do about 196 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 4: bringing the cost of health care and my household down, 197 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 4: and you ought to be able to articulate a vision 198 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 4: that I can either see myself in or say that's bullshit, 199 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 4: and you should go further. Elected officials should not be 200 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 4: exempt from the pressure that ought to exists and the 201 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 4: tension that ought to exist and analysis. 202 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: I want to be I want to be in a 203 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 3: park because I want to win, and I think that 204 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 3: the reason I would like for what? 205 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: But at what cost? 206 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: And I want to I just wanted to finish the sentence. 207 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 3: Sorry, I just I want to win because I believe 208 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 3: that we've seen the doldrooms of hell that Republican leadership 209 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 3: in the executive branch has driven us to. I mean, 210 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 3: we spent the first hour and fifteen minutes of the 211 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 3: show talking about I mean talking about talking about the grifting, 212 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 3: talking about the fact that we have these socioeconomic divides. 213 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: I believe fundamentally we are better than them. And so 214 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 3: the question is how do we get to fifty? How 215 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 3: do we get to fifty one? Setting aside my personal 216 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: politics because I'm not the SA, that doesn't mean that 217 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 3: doesn't mean that we don't need them as a part 218 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 3: of our what's the word that you used, Andrew coalition? 219 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 3: Coalition government. 220 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: Can I say something be though you're not saying anything new, 221 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: So let me just jump in right here. 222 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm trying. I'm over here speaking that truth. 223 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,239 Speaker 3: And I'm also rocking because I got a peek. 224 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 2: Well, and nobody asked you to hold it. 225 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: You wanted to hold it because you were worried about 226 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: getting dragged in your absence. 227 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 3: Here's the thing dragged in my absence all the time. 228 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: We don't we do it to your face now. 229 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: In the twenty twenty sixth platform associated with their convention, 230 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: which is slated to be held July thirty first through 231 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: August second, on their website does not have this. DSAY 232 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: does not have anything about abolishing the Senate, and so 233 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: I just I went to their site. There are some 234 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: past blogs where they where somebody's talked about it on 235 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: their site that are still up from like twenty fourteen. 236 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: They have governing as socialists. The DSA difference the National 237 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: Electoral Commission. They do say that they say workers deserve 238 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: more building to a general strike, a national labor commission, 239 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: a free Palestine in our lifetime, end apartheid in war. 240 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 2: The next one is no walls, no cages. Organizing yes 241 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 2: on this. 242 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 4: I just want to say one different similar does not 243 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 4: represent all of the of that of of folks who 244 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 4: identify with the Democratic Socialist Party. 245 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: No, I'm just I literally wanted to say that these 246 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: are the pillars that they have listed on their site 247 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: as the agenda that they're dealing with in their they're 248 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: convening in this month to August. No walls, no cages, 249 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: organizing to abolish ice in the Trump era, the last 250 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: one organizing fundamentals building blocks for socialist victory. 251 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: So I just want to flag that there. 252 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: It does seem that, you know, just like anything else, 253 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: we are allowed to adopt and adapt rather our agenda 254 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: over time. And maybe there are still some folks who 255 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: are part of that movement that support that support ending 256 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: the Senate, that support getting rid of the presidency. 257 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: Hell right now, I don't want. 258 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: The president himself, you know, like I understand, So is 259 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: what let me let me part of their Let me 260 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: just say this, and this is why, this is why 261 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: elections don't happen in a vacuum. 262 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 3: And you're right, Andrew, the voters actually went out and 263 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 3: voted for whom they wanted. That's right, This is this 264 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 3: is the thing that people you can't. People are like, 265 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 3: we should have term limits. I find that to be 266 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 3: the most amusing. We have political We have them every 267 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 3: two years and every four years. All right, I'd laugh 268 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 3: when people talk about term limits. But but the young lady, 269 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 3: and I don't want to abuse her name, but she's 270 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 3: a future rep. Uh Chevalier that I pronounce chevalier is okay, fancy. 271 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 3: She called for abolishing police, prisons, and borders. I don't 272 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 3: agree with any of that. She and this is just 273 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 3: me personally, so I'm not This is not a larger 274 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: thing she called. She clarified her defending her H means 275 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 3: any police, full stop period, no more police at all. Ever. 276 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 3: Uh yes, literally, abolished the border and all deportation is wrong. 277 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 3: He's the means of production. She called Joe Biden a 278 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 3: rapist and war criminal and said she wouldn't vote for him, 279 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 3: and she said Kamala Harris. She apologized, she said okay, 280 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 3: she said Israel doesn't exist, and she wrote that black 281 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 3: and Arab men fetishized ugly colonizer women. I mean, it's 282 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 3: just like so it's it's in a. 283 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: For those of you listening. 284 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 3: But but my only point, my only point is okay, 285 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 3: New York voted for that, But when you're running in 286 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 3: these competitive districts, is that what they voted for. 287 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: Or did they vote for some other aspects of what 288 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: she pledged? 289 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: I actually think, actually actually think they just voted. I 290 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 3: don't know they voted for all of it. I mean, 291 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 3: you just can't. It's not peace. 292 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: I think some people, just like we have engaged in 293 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: reductionists politics strategic politics over the years, some people turn 294 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: a blind eye to people's blemishes to support what they 295 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: think better represents their agenda. 296 00:14:58,520 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: Your friends are your spouse. 297 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,119 Speaker 4: Can I just say A lot of that is sensational 298 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 4: and it could be the way in which the future 299 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 4: congress woman elect Well soon's got to go through a 300 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 4: general but I'm claiming it in events for her, I'll 301 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 4: just say the she. 302 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 3: Might have an independent candidate. I'm just doing that's that 303 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 3: that's cool too. 304 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 4: But but but I will say it is those things 305 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 4: come off as really sensational until you hear a full 306 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 4: throated conversation about what do you replace policing with? If 307 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 4: your vision is for a safe community, what does that 308 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 4: look like? Because some people were in it, were advocates 309 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 4: in the in the reckoning following George Floyd of abolishing 310 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 4: the police system as we know it and reintroducing a 311 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 4: community Saviors program or community Connection program that basically had 312 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 4: some of the same similar functions, except that it did 313 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 4: not over police in black communities, that it did not 314 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 4: use the arrest power of the state to lock people 315 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 4: up for victimless crimes and nonviolent offenses. So all I'm 316 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 4: saying is that these are they abolished the Senate. It 317 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 4: is because a state like Utah should not be able 318 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 4: to trump the state of California, which has a gazillion 319 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 4: percent more people in it, because that's not very democratic 320 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 4: in a democratic society, and so we ought to replace 321 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 4: it with a more proportionate representation system or unicameral government 322 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 4: that is based off of direct elections based off population, 323 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 4: so that if every single vote matters and is equal, 324 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 4: then that has to be true at your highest level 325 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 4: of government, that every single vote matters, and that is 326 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 4: not true in our current system under the electoral college. 327 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 4: It is not true as represented by the United States 328 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 4: Senate in its current form. So all I'm saying is 329 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 4: that there are bigger visionary statements that are on the 330 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 4: opposite side of the sensational description that we might give 331 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 4: it that actually is more in line with the beloved 332 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 4: community that you meet Angela and everybody that we know 333 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 4: in love would agree with. I don't know that to 334 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 4: be the truth in her case, because I have not 335 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:12,719 Speaker 4: looked very detailed wise at her platform. But these I 336 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 4: have real criticisms with the way democracy is practiced in 337 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 4: this country. I have very legitimate, I think, concerns about 338 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 4: the kinds of institutions that we have propagated, and we 339 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 4: continue to stand up and only say that we're leaning 340 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 4: on the fact. I'm a more traditionalist that the systems 341 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 4: as they are designed should continue to function as they 342 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 4: were designed, except they ought to look more brown. That 343 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 4: doesn't work when the when at the base of what 344 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 4: you have built is designed to disempower a whole community 345 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 4: of people just because of the color of their skin. 346 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 4: I can't make that more better. I have to level 347 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 4: I have to level that and replace it with a 348 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 4: system or functioning something that better reflects the my ideal 349 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 4: vision of how we get to a more beloved community. 350 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 4: But somethings are just too broken to skim the edges. 351 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 4: And that's where I think that you're going to ask 352 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 4: you a question where energy is. 353 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 3: Thank God Angela's a mute so we can have this conversation. 354 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 2: I'm mad. 355 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 3: I was like, thank god she's so we can have 356 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 3: this conversation. 357 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: But listen, that was a bar and you said you disagreed, 358 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: and I want to understand how you know that we 359 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: keep trying. 360 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 3: I said, I don't disagree. 361 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 2: Oh I'm sorry. 362 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 3: No, I don't disagree. I don't disagree at all, because 363 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 3: I do think that the only way we change America 364 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 3: is to fundamentally deconstruct systems and reimagine them in ways 365 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 3: that look like her, in ways that look like her. 366 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: On that note, that is actually a perfect segue, I 367 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: know you do. I want you to save it for 368 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: our mini pop, which is on this reconstitution reconstruction Rema. 369 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 3: But I want to bring it. 370 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 4: But the question, but the questions real quick before because 371 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 4: we're going to go to. 372 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 3: It, because we're gonna because people are still going to 373 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 3: be hurt. The pain that people are feeling right now, 374 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 3: the crushing pressures of our government right now are going 375 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 3: to be the same unless we win elections. And so yes, 376 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 3: I want to deconstruct the systems whereby we live and 377 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 3: how we live, and I want to make sure that 378 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 3: Sadie and stokely is America doesn't look like the one 379 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 3: of today. I'm wholeheartedly agreeing with you, like democracy does 380 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,959 Speaker 3: not work for all. Hell, it's barely democratic now after 381 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 3: this time that we're in. But not. But and we 382 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 3: also have to realize that there's so many pressures put 383 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 3: forth and put on poor people and black people and 384 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 3: because of who you love, or the color of your skin, 385 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 3: or the disability that you may have right and and 386 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 3: that is because of the government that we're in now. 387 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 3: And we can't alleviate that pressure unless we win elections. 388 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 3: And that that's my only mind. 389 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 4: But Bacari, not winning the election is not coming at 390 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 4: the cost of having democratic progressives in the coalition. That 391 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 4: is not we we are. We are not tying around 392 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 4: every Republican's neck who is running and every place across 393 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 4: America the Tea Party as being reflective of what it 394 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 4: is that these folks who want to return them to 395 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 4: the you know, to to the to the society where 396 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 4: women were caped from you know, the top of their 397 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 4: head to the bottom of their feet and and couldn't 398 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 4: decide when to get pregnant how to get could they 399 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 4: carry it? But you know the we don't do that. 400 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 4: And so I don't understand the fight within the Democratic 401 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 4: Party because I'm saying, if you are if we agree 402 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 4: that those New York seats will make no difference because 403 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 4: a Democrat or a person who will caucus with the 404 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 4: Democrats is going to be elected, period, then what the 405 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 4: are we fighting for? 406 00:20:54,440 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 3: Let them have places and unless the person agree with the. 407 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 4: Candidate of their choice, that's fine, Ohio Brown to run 408 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 4: the best campaign that reflects his values and just allow 409 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 4: to get him elected. 410 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 3: As I'm with you, but it makes Shared Brown, John 411 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 3: ass Off, and Roy Cooper's life much more difficult. And 412 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: I don't I. 413 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 2: Don't think that that's I don't think that's fair. 414 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think that that is also 415 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: a fair is a very flat analysis of the legislative process, 416 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: like I could see if you're talking about you know, 417 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: actually I just can't see it. 418 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 3: I don't know about the legislative process. 419 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 4: We allowed them in a box that makes sure that 420 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 4: Brown we have. 421 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 3: Also with the Environment Party candidates, we're looking a go ahead. 422 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: There are TEA Party candidates who run and win in 423 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: districts and it should be our role to tie their 424 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: policy positions to the folks who are more moderate that 425 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: we can sway every now and then like the Thomas Massey's. 426 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: Instead they cannibal each other, and they took out Thomas Massey, 427 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 1: who was effective, an effective advocate for us on some 428 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: issues and with us on some issues, especially like Epstein, 429 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: but in other places he is a shit show. 430 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 3: You know. 431 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: And I think that we have to get nuanced and 432 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: strategic and thoughtful about our politics. And here's the thing 433 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: that I would actually argue with Congress, especially those in leadership, 434 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: particularly Hakim Jeffries, who seeks seeking to become speaker should 435 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: the Democrats win the majority in November. Those new Democratic 436 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: Socialists who caucus with you also have to be folks 437 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: who you court for the vote as speaker. 438 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 2: So you've got to figure out how. 439 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: To be nuanced enough sophisticated enough to say, generally we 440 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: support incumbents, but once you win a primary, we embrace you. 441 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: I want to understand what your agenda items are and 442 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: where we can align because your perspective and the fact 443 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: that your constituents went out and overwhelmingly voted for you 444 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: means that you represent a part of this tip that 445 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: we cannot afford. 446 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 4: To actually think it's real political reality. Add a layer 447 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 4: to it, which is to say that I think King Jeffreys, yes, 448 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 4: is concerned about the speakership, but I think it goes 449 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 4: a layer beneath to Bakari's point around the fact that 450 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 4: he doesn't want to make it more difficult for the 451 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 4: off Sauce and the Bottoms and the share Eds and 452 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 4: the Coopers of the world to be able to compete 453 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 4: and win their seats. What it really is about for 454 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 4: these people is they resent accountability that comes with diverse coalitions. 455 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 4: They don't want to be held to account on difficult 456 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 4: things that force them to have to actually come down 457 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 4: on the line and say I'm against a thing. 458 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: I don't know that it's accountability, I think absolutely. 459 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 3: I think everybody, but everybody is thinking that we're operating. 460 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 3: Everybody thinks we're operating in this very equal political, political. 461 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 4: Political landscape, one kind of mind, because you're what I am. 462 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 3: Everybody's in the first of all, everybody's in the coalition, 463 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 3: and it is what it is from my point so forward. 464 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 3: They were, first of all, let me address the Speaker 465 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 3: of the House. If you if you don't want to 466 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 3: vote well Democratic Speaker of the House, if you don't 467 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 3: want to vote for King Jeffers for whatever reason. I 468 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 3: have my own beef with a King Jefferies. It is 469 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 3: what it is. I don't know if he's I just 470 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,239 Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, I don't have beef with him. 471 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 3: I just don't know if he's meeting them. Yeah, I 472 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 3: just don't know if he's meeting the moment right, there's 473 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 3: a question out there about that. Then it's not as 474 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 3: if you have to be courted. And then let me 475 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 3: just disabuse that notion because of the simple fact that 476 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, politics is about math, 477 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 3: and either you're going to vote for Mike Johnson a 478 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 3: staying from voting, or vote from vote for a King Jeffer. 479 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 2: Or votes for somebody else. 480 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 3: That's fine, and that's what happens. And if you vote 481 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 3: for somebody else and the King Jefferies is not the 482 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 3: Speaker of the House Mike Johnson is at the end 483 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 3: of the day, then you make that bad. You lay 484 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 3: in it for whatever whatever larger part that. 485 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: Is true, like whence you actually get to the vote. 486 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: But I'm saying the same way that you all you, 487 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: and Andrew in particular, because you are our strategic, thoughtful, 488 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: shrewd politicians. 489 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 2: You all went and met with constituencies. All of those 490 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: constituencies you don't agree. 491 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: With, right, but you go and try to find common ground. 492 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 3: I agree with that. 493 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 2: Well, that's that's my point. 494 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 1: So I'm telling you, I'm watching them say, you know what, 495 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: that they don't represent us. 496 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 2: That's not where we are. 497 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 3: You can't put out a tweet saying what congratulations, welcome, 498 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 3: He's welcome. 499 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying, I want him to take it a step 500 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: further than the public acknowledgment and have these conversations. 501 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 2: They clearly have the secret sauce to. 502 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: Some of these demographics. What are they containing? What are 503 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: they holding momentum that they can borrow from and or 504 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: embrace to be more effective in meeting the moment. 505 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 3: I heartily agree with that, and like I said, like 506 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 3: I said from the beginning, there are a lot of 507 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: lessons that can be learned from all of these races. 508 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 3: You don't you don't just throw the baby out with 509 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 3: the bath water and say you willing the baby. That's 510 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 3: abusive too, by the way, I mean, my mama said it, 511 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 3: and Deddy said. 512 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 4: That you don't have to throw out period, that's it. 513 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 4: You can just acknowledge that we got differences, and. 514 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 3: We do have differences, but but to not acknowledge the 515 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 3: playing field that we're on now, because one of the 516 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 3: things that was brought up is well, Democrats don't have 517 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 3: to answer questions or be labeled by everybody else. We 518 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 3: don't do that to Republicans. To not acknowledge the land 519 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 3: the political landscape is just it's it's almost like because 520 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 3: because we are. But you also don't get to say 521 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 3: that it's not going to be more difficult when you 522 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 3: have the Elesons who own everything. 523 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 4: The social media spicult, but. 524 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 3: The social media, the social media sphere is owned by them. 525 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 3: The way that we can communicate, the way that the 526 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 3: way that news travels, but everything is owned by them. 527 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 3: So to say that it's not if I say not 528 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 3: one of us, that is going to be one of us, And. 529 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 4: Why not one of us said it won't be more difficult? 530 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 4: I simply said, who cares about it being more difficult? 531 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 4: You're in politics. It's a contact sport. You ought to 532 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 4: have a belief system, get a better campaign expert, hire 533 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 4: more feel, pay more advertising, get your vision out. But 534 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 4: but so so, just because it is going to be 535 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 4: harder for Democrats to stand up and say with a 536 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 4: they believe in order to get a vote, just because 537 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 4: that's harder doesn't mean it's the wrong thing to do. 538 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 4: It's the right thing to do. And guess what, Republic, 539 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 4: what's the flip side? 540 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 3: What's just acknowledge for me? And let's let's say, Okay, 541 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 3: it's harder, right, we acknowledge its harder. That's what I was. 542 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 3: What's the flip side of those losses? Are we truly. 543 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 4: Concluded that they are losses? 544 00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 3: No, that's a probability. No, there's a possibility. Not, that's 545 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 3: a possibility, Anthela. 546 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 4: We have to settle this real quick, which is we 547 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 4: can't derive from about difficult. We can't take for a 548 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 4: difficult race equaling a loss for the Democrats. 549 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 3: Say that that's not what I'm saying at all. I 550 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 3: mean you in a perfect world, in a perfect. 551 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: Environment, in a perfect damn world. 552 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 3: In a perfect world, in a perfect world. That beating 553 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 3: Who's dead? I don't know how to pronounce he's boys 554 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 3: last name being who Stead in Ohio is a tough race. 555 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 3: He's a shared Brown's running against them. That's a tough race. 556 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 3: In a perfect world, Roy Cooper is a hard race. 557 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 3: Don't even get me on how difficult. Jermaine Johnson or 558 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 3: Keisha Lenz Bottoms, both you and I can identify with 559 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 3: that from running state wide. It's a hard race. 560 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,719 Speaker 4: Sure you guys, please tell me, let me go. Can 561 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 4: we get where he's going? 562 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 3: All I'm getting is that we have to acknowledge that 563 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 3: with these differences, with these tensions, you can have those things. 564 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 3: But to simply say that you have to be more 565 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: accountable or stand up and fight for what you mean, 566 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 3: it's more than that. 567 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: Go ahead, No, no, sorry, No, Andrew asked eighty six 568 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: times for you to make your full point, make your 569 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: full paint. 570 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 3: No, and I am. I've made it till blue in 571 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 3: the face they are part of a party. I'm not curing. 572 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: They're not blue in the face and blue in the veins. 573 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: And now here's what I want to say, all the 574 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: sea walkers with Bakari to all my sea walking as 575 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: niggaess that okay? 576 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: Sorry. So here's the thing. 577 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: I just feel like if we go back to Reverend 578 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: Jackson in eighty four or eighty eight, either one of 579 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: those speeches, and you listen to the artful way at 580 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: the conventions that he drew these connective this connective tissue 581 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: between Appalachia and the Delta, you know, between the folks 582 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: who were barely making minimum wage waiting tables, or to 583 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: the folks who you know, were migrants hoping to come 584 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: over and find a better life for their for their 585 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: families and their children. And I just think that there's 586 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: a way to do it if we follow that blueprint. 587 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: You know, Bernie Sanders borrowed all of Reverend Jackson's rhetoric 588 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: without attribution. While they want to talk about Joe Biden plagiarizing, 589 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: and it became we almost demonized it, even though we 590 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: know that if our people felt like they have the 591 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: political ability, authority, strength and worthiness to make demands, it 592 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't sound much different than the same please that Fatdi 593 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: Louhammer made testifying before the Democratic National Committee as a 594 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: Democratic Freedom Party member that they made in eighty four 595 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: and eighty eight, and that folks have written rude in 596 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: the Black Agenda in nineteen seventy two and Gary Indiana. 597 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: It has not changed, But what has changed is this 598 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: idea that the only part of the tent of the coalition. 599 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: That matters is the white moderate and how we go 600 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: and find and chase after that person. 601 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 2: And we have to. 602 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: Lay all of our political ideologies, interests and agendas aside. 603 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 2: And I think that is what is causing this percolating. 604 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: It's time for the percolate. 605 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: That's what Cus was causing that like breakout with the 606 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: with the socialists, because they're at least saying something bold, 607 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: they're saying what they mean, they're meaning what they say, 608 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: They're willing to go out and challenge the status quo 609 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: and what to me, the biggest issue is it feels 610 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: like Democrats are like, well, if we just make it 611 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: through this time, just look quiet and we don't roughle 612 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: no feathers, we might get to the victory in the midterm. 613 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: And there's a there's a generation of young people, I 614 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: think even some of our elders who are like men, 615 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: that it's too much going on. To Bacari's point, they 616 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: own everything, they doing everything. We being challenged on every side. 617 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: If you're being pressed, the solution is not to shrink 618 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: under the pressure. The solution is to rebel, to resist, 619 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: to break out. And I think that's the energy, even 620 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: if they don't agree with the full platform B. It's 621 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: the energy of that that people are responding. 622 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot to be learned about this moment, 623 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 3: that's for sure. I mean, I'm I'm not gonna dare 624 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 3: make a Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party comparison to DSA, but 625 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 3: there is a great not because you have you have 626 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 3: a group that is largely made up of an overwhelming 627 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 3: majority of college educated white folks, and you're going to 628 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 3: compare them to the Mississippi Freedom Democratic. 629 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: Please look at the demographics of who just won these races. 630 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 3: At about the party. I said the party. I didn't 631 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 3: say the winners. 632 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 2: No, No, we can't. 633 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: How are we gonna do that? 634 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 2: These are the people. 635 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: These were the people that had the wherewithal, the ability, 636 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: the strength, the political acumen to navigate those races. 637 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 3: I don't disagree with that. I'm not taking it from them. 638 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 3: I'm just saying I don't compare the DSA to the 639 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 3: Mississippi What I'm trying to they're vastly different, be in 640 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 3: some ways. 641 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: They're not in some Democratic Freedom Party in Mississippi was 642 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: seen as radical and and and and crazy for out 643 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: and having the audacity to register black voters that were 644 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: getting killed for it, and Dixiecrats were silent af And 645 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm challenging in this moment the Democratic Party to resist 646 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: the urge to become like Dixiecrats to run in black districts, 647 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: to shrink and silence black voices. And I don't think 648 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: that everything about the DSA platform is right, But I 649 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: also don't think that everything about the modern democratic platform 650 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: is right. The people that refuse to even write a 651 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: statement about whether or not voting rights should be given 652 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: to all of us, You know. 653 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 3: What I'm saying. 654 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: As we get closer to this two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, 655 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: as we transition to costs to action, I think that 656 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: it is imperative that we recognize that what is often 657 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: deemed as rebellious and radical are the fundamental rights that 658 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: we should all have as citizens of this country. And 659 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: I think that they're just saying, let's just have the 660 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: audacity to push a little bit, and that is what 661 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: we're not seeing from the party establishment. 662 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 2: We've got to at least recognize that. 663 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's also correct. 664 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 1: Native Lampard is a production of iHeart Radio and Partnership 665 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: with recent choice media. For more podcasts from our heart Radio, 666 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 667 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: to your favorite shows.