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Speaker 1: Today's episode is with our regular guest, former PGA Tour Champion,
Speaker 1: US Open Champion Jeff Ogilvie. Jeff comes on to talk
Speaker 1: about the twenty twenty Masters, tell us some good Dustin
Speaker 1: Johnson's stories, talk about Rory and a lot of things.
Speaker 1: So what of our favorite guests and thanks as always
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Speaker 1: Jeff Ogilvie. I miss the Green, for example, I'm already
Speaker 1: upset when I find my ball in the bunker, I'm
Speaker 1: really upset.
Speaker 2: And when I find my ball in a fried egg
Speaker 2: Friday egg, the dreaded Frida egg, Frida egg, Frida egg
Speaker 2: bright egg, Frida.
Speaker 1: Egg bride egg Lie, I'm about ready to run.
Speaker 3: Off of the hump.
Speaker 1: I was wondering did you like having balance, like where
Speaker 1: you took time off or were you just all all
Speaker 1: the time golf?
Speaker 2: Oh, later on I started taking time off, But early
Speaker 2: days I was it was every day pretty much, and
Speaker 2: if it wasn't if if if there was a day off,
Speaker 2: it was really because I just couldn't get to the
Speaker 2: golf course, Like Monday was just all travel or something
Speaker 2: else going on. But early on, so the kind of
Speaker 2: like late twenties, I was every day and then gradually
Speaker 2: have to have kids, and like life gets on, there's
Speaker 2: a much more day. And I really as I went on,
Speaker 2: I looked forward two weeks off and know it's been
Speaker 2: two or three weeks off later in the year later on,
Speaker 2: but early days it was every day. I think you
Speaker 2: kind of have to. I think the older you get,
Speaker 2: the longer time you can take off, you know, and
Speaker 2: get away with it. I'd be all right, And I
Speaker 2: think it's short. When I was young, when I took
Speaker 2: three days off, I felt like I set myself back
Speaker 2: two weeks. But now if I take two weeks off,
Speaker 2: I feel like I actually improve.
Speaker 4: That's funny.
Speaker 1: That's when you're young, you feel like you have to
Speaker 1: be there all the time or else, I wonder what
Speaker 1: do you have you ever thought about what it is
Speaker 1: that flips?
Speaker 4: Is it just perspective or knowing your swing better that.
Speaker 2: I think it's also your body just knows the move
Speaker 2: better and it's had more experience and it's learnt more
Speaker 2: and it's harder to unlearn. I think the more swings
Speaker 2: you make and the more golf you play, it it's
Speaker 2: like riding a bike, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: the more you do it, I think it's harder.
Speaker 3: You just you just retain it more. That makes sense.
Speaker 2: Get thirty years of golf under your belt, you don't
Speaker 2: forget how to play in a month. You know, if
Speaker 2: you've got three years of golf on your belt, maybe
Speaker 2: a month makes a difference, you know.
Speaker 1: So with DJ now I think, you know, obviously he
Speaker 1: wins a ton, But the thing that I'm most impressed
Speaker 1: by is how we wins.
Speaker 4: You know, how.
Speaker 1: He's just seemingly like blows out fields all the time
Speaker 1: and they happen to be the best fields. Should that
Speaker 1: count for something when we're looking at his career in totality,
Speaker 1: is how he won? Should that factor in legacy?
Speaker 3: I'm a bit weird a legacy I don't know.
Speaker 2: All I know is he makes golf look easier than
Speaker 2: anyone I've ever seen play golf anybody. Freddie made it
Speaker 2: look really easy, you know. Louis makes it look easy.
Speaker 2: Sometimes Rory makes it look pretty easy. But Dustin, it's
Speaker 2: just there's just no real He's not expending any effort
Speaker 2: to actually play such an aggressive game or something, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's just such a peaceful headspace
Speaker 2: he gets in and it seems to be so easy
Speaker 2: for him.
Speaker 3: His legacy is sound.
Speaker 2: I think whether he I don't know, whether he wins
Speaker 2: big numbers, and I mean sure it makes the difference
Speaker 2: with Tiger, right, I mean two like fifteen shots and
Speaker 2: nine shots, two majors in a row. That certainly added
Speaker 2: to his kind of mystique and legacy because he won
Speaker 2: him by so far.
Speaker 3: So it's got to be part of it.
Speaker 4: I guess, yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: I think Shane Bacon pulled these stats of his last
Speaker 1: thirteen wins, like over fifty percent of them, or by
Speaker 1: five shots or more or three shots or more.
Speaker 4: It's just something bad, you know.
Speaker 1: And these are wgc's playoff events, Like DJ doesn't rack
Speaker 1: up the you know, John Deere classics.
Speaker 2: No, he wins big tournaments, and it's kind of seems
Speaker 2: to be like how he is when he does win.
Speaker 2: It seems like he's he gets to that sort of
Speaker 2: point of freedom in his golf game where he just
Speaker 2: gets better and better that week. Like he's playing better
Speaker 2: on at the end than he was at the start.
Speaker 2: I feel like he just doesn't. It feel like he's
Speaker 2: just hitting it harder and he's hitting it longer, and
Speaker 2: he's so free, and it's like if he played eight rounds,
Speaker 2: he'd win by twice as much. You know, it just
Speaker 2: seems like he's he's improving on that course faster than
Speaker 2: everyone else all the time. To me, he just seems
Speaker 2: to play better every day, and that's a rare gift.
Speaker 2: I think the freedom he plays with towards end of
Speaker 2: the tim's amazing. How hard he can eat his driver.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that final round where he has those
Speaker 1: early bow geese. But then and then he's laying up
Speaker 1: on par five's on the back nine frombo and he
Speaker 1: still shoots the he ties the little round of the
Speaker 1: day and it's like he was playing as conservatively as
Speaker 1: he could.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just can't help it. He just can't help it,
Speaker 2: like he's just good, right. I mean, I've played I
Speaker 2: played a fair bit with Dust and I played a
Speaker 2: couple of practice rounds with him, I don't know, four
Speaker 2: or five years ago the Masters pre the tournament, you know,
Speaker 2: like a week or so before, and I hadn't really
Speaker 2: ever thought of him as an obvious guy to win there.
Speaker 2: But this is probably twenty fifteen or something, or fourteen
Speaker 2: or fifteen, playing practice ronds with him, and after two
Speaker 2: days and he took all my money thirty six. I
Speaker 2: was it was like, oh my god, how does this
Speaker 2: guy not win this? Every single time? It was unbelievable,
Speaker 2: how amazing he looked around there. So I've been behind
Speaker 2: of picking him every year since, you know. And there
Speaker 2: was a good one for him, I think, because it
Speaker 2: even suited his game even more, being a little bit softer.
Speaker 3: I think he's so aggressive and free.
Speaker 2: It's just it was and the Greens weren't like at
Speaker 2: their filthy scariest, you know, which if I get, I mean, he's.
Speaker 3: A great part of but if he did have if.
Speaker 2: There was an area of his game where he wasn't
Speaker 2: a ten out of ten, he was only an eight
Speaker 2: out of ten, it's his pudding, probably right, and it
Speaker 2: was probably easier putting than true aditional Augusta putting.
Speaker 3: Maybe, I don't know, but what a golf Yeah, and
Speaker 3: his headspace is so.
Speaker 2: Good, so natural, and I'm glad that Rory came out
Speaker 2: and there's a few guys coming out saying, hey, there's
Speaker 2: a little bit more going on in there than you
Speaker 2: guys think, because I've always thought that that he knows
Speaker 2: exactly what he's doing.
Speaker 3: He's just smart enough to not.
Speaker 2: Worry about like all the details, you know, and that's
Speaker 2: actually a gift and an intelligence to not chase the
Speaker 2: rabbit hole. It tastes the technique down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: And tried to all this that pretty much every other
Speaker 2: tour player does the opposite. He's the opposite of Bryson,
Speaker 2: you know, he's the anti Bryson in the approach. They
Speaker 2: both work hard, but Dustin just he feels it and
Speaker 2: Bryson works it out, you know, works it out with
Speaker 2: his brain. Dustin works it out with his body, you know,
Speaker 2: and his feel and it's just so it's incredible to
Speaker 2: play with. It's quite intimidating to play with Dustin because
Speaker 2: of how easy he makes it you know how strong
Speaker 2: he isn't But then you talk to him and he's
Speaker 2: like a little puppy dog. He's just nice to everybody,
Speaker 2: and he's zero ego about his approach. Really, relative to
Speaker 2: the PGI Tour, it's quite hard to look down the
Speaker 2: range and not bump into a few egos down the
Speaker 2: range on the tour. He actually is probably the lowest
Speaker 2: ego of all out there, which is so amazing considering
Speaker 2: he's probably the best out there.
Speaker 3: It's incredible.
Speaker 1: It's like you said when we did the pods last
Speaker 1: year about how you have to play free at Augusta.
Speaker 1: You can't play scared at Augusta or else I'll eat
Speaker 1: your lunch, Like you have to swing free to take
Speaker 1: on those shots. And then you think about the way,
Speaker 1: and that is what gets overlooked is in a way
Speaker 1: he's like the ultimate field player because of how little
Speaker 1: he thinks about it. It's you know, for seventy two holes,
Speaker 1: this tournament crew has been following DJ and on the
Speaker 1: eighteenth hole, they're still shocked at how quick he hits
Speaker 1: the ball.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, it is, it's he's it's it seems
Speaker 2: to be like almost I mean, I said anti Bryson,
Speaker 2: if Bon Bryson, that sort of approach is like the
Speaker 2: modern approach, like the no stone unturned, all the one percenters,
Speaker 2: let's just look at every angle of the game and
Speaker 2: how can we master every bit.
Speaker 3: Dustin's like, oh, well, I just hit the.
Speaker 2: Ball over there, and I do it better than you
Speaker 2: come catch me, you know, And it's so refreshing and
Speaker 2: it's so fun to watch. And I think most golfers
Speaker 2: on tour I think it kind of envious at how
Speaker 2: simple his approaches, but I don't.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 2: He's not without like working on something when he needs to.
Speaker 2: Like when his wedge game was a bit off on him,
Speaker 2: and Butcher and claud or whoever it was, got him
Speaker 2: in front of it, and maybe even Keith from Taylor
Speaker 2: Made they got in front of the track man to
Speaker 2: work on his wedgey outages and he sharpened that up.
Speaker 2: But he didn't go over the top and like kind
Speaker 2: of show off with doing it. He just warmed up
Speaker 2: for ten minutes every day, so how far he hit
Speaker 2: his wedges and in a couple of months he was
Speaker 2: a great wedge player. And then stops really doesn't overdo
Speaker 2: it like most of us do. You know, we get
Speaker 2: something that works to and then we just beat it
Speaker 2: to death because it's good, and then we beat something
Speaker 2: else to death, and before we know, we've got seven
Speaker 2: little drills that we have to.
Speaker 3: Do before we can even hit a shot. You know,
Speaker 3: he doesn't do that.
Speaker 2: He kind of fixes a little issue and then just
Speaker 2: I've worked that out now and now I'll just play.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a really unique gift that he has,
Speaker 2: I guess at not once it works, he doesn't mess
Speaker 2: with the formula. You know, he's like, this is good,
Speaker 2: I'll go this way. And it's so it's so difficult
Speaker 2: to do. That's the hardest thing to do in golf
Speaker 2: is to not like tinker all the time, and he
Speaker 2: doesn't seem to.
Speaker 1: There's something too that, like, you know, most players talk
Speaker 1: about what they're working on, and for him, like he
Speaker 1: never said, he's just like, oh, i'm hitting it good.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm playing well.
Speaker 1: Like you know, the fact that he gives so little
Speaker 1: off it's almost like, I don't know, if you fail
Speaker 1: NFL football. It's almost like Bill Belichick in a way
Speaker 1: where Belichick, you know, gives Press and the other teams nothing.
Speaker 4: You know, he's always it's like dost it.
Speaker 1: I doubt he's intentionally doing it by but by never
Speaker 1: you know, construing any difficulty with golf in his game,
Speaker 1: he probably mentally, like you were saying, he makes it
Speaker 1: look so easy, you know, he never says anything's hard, and.
Speaker 4: It probably messes a little bit with the competitors.
Speaker 3: I think a little bit.
Speaker 2: And it's also how water off a duck's back. He
Speaker 2: can be like I really I like the no ego thing.
Speaker 2: He doesn't seem to care most of our reaction when
Speaker 2: we play bad or most I think almost this is
Speaker 2: human nature. When we hit a bad shot or we
Speaker 2: play bad, we get angry. We're actually getting angry for
Speaker 2: everybody else. Yeah, you know, we'll like I'm better than this.
Speaker 2: See look if I get angry, they'll think I'm normally
Speaker 2: better than this.
Speaker 3: Or we're a little.
Speaker 2: Embarrassed about the shot we hit and that's what flares
Speaker 2: us up or something. He doesn't have any of that.
Speaker 2: He shoots eighty and he walks off, of course, like
Speaker 2: he shot sixty five. So he's going around there and
Speaker 2: truly not concerned with what people think, not concerned whether
Speaker 2: people think he's good or bad. So there's all that
Speaker 2: weights off his shoulders and he just plays golf. If
Speaker 2: he plays well, that's cool. If he doesn't play well,
Speaker 2: oh well, I'll play well next time. You know. It's
Speaker 2: such a peaceful way to play that that's intimidating to
Speaker 2: be around someone. Why can't you just get annoyed about
Speaker 2: something for a minute, you know, it's incredible.
Speaker 1: Do you do you remember like the first time you
Speaker 1: played with him and like were you was there? Like
Speaker 1: were you an of how he hit driver? Do you
Speaker 1: remember early rounds with him versus you know, as you
Speaker 1: you know, you played a decent amount with him, as
Speaker 1: you became more familiar with him, like how your opinion
Speaker 1: or perception of his game changed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I played with him the first I
Speaker 2: played the first time played with him at Akron and
Speaker 2: that was pretty close to what was his first year,
Speaker 2: nine or something, yeah, eight.
Speaker 3: Or nine, something like that.
Speaker 2: I think it was his first year and he had
Speaker 2: won Pebble earlier in the year. And I remember it
Speaker 2: was right at the beginning of Twitter, And I wouldn't
Speaker 2: normally remember this, but it was because I tweeted it.
Speaker 2: I'm not on I have been on Twitter for years,
Speaker 2: but it was kind of like the new kid in
Speaker 2: the town on the block at the moment of Twitter.
Speaker 2: So every round you'd come off, you'd say, oh, something
Speaker 2: about it, you know. But I remember coming off going, oh,
Speaker 2: my gosh, I just played with Dustin Johnson. This guy
Speaker 2: is going to be This guy's unbelievable. Like I could
Speaker 2: not believe how well he hit it. Like when you
Speaker 2: when you're kind of where I was out at that point,
Speaker 2: sort of late twenties, top of the game, or not
Speaker 2: on the top of the game, but up there in
Speaker 2: the sort of top areas, you have a level of
Speaker 2: kind of pre disrespect, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: not disrespect, but.
Speaker 1: You you know, you're you know, you're a batter. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're playing with You're better.
Speaker 2: Then, yeah. And like I'm not saying I'm better human,
Speaker 2: but I'm better at this job than you are right now.
Speaker 3: But and you're very rarely every now and then.
Speaker 2: You come across like a Louis all of a sudden
Speaker 2: comes from I remember I first played with him from Africa.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, who's this kid? You just
Speaker 2: notice it's like this is different from the normal guy
Speaker 2: I'll play with. And Dustin was the same after I
Speaker 2: rememb after about nine holes, he pumped it up nine
Speaker 2: nine at Akron's a really hard fair way to hit,
Speaker 2: and I'm like having to skirt it up the left
Speaker 2: semi raft to like keep it on the right edge
Speaker 2: of the fairway, and he just flies the whole hill
Speaker 2: and hits like a sand on in And I was
Speaker 2: long ish and I was, as I said, I was
Speaker 2: top ten in.
Speaker 3: The world and playing with it, and I'm like, who
Speaker 3: is this guy? Like unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I can't beat this guy if he starts playing like this.
Speaker 2: And I only probably I had three or four you have.
Speaker 2: I had three or four of them in my whole career,
Speaker 2: and he was one of them. Louis was one of them,
Speaker 2: and he was one of them, and Rory was one
Speaker 2: of them. It's just like, wow, this is different from
Speaker 2: everybody else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just when you play with someone you know
Speaker 1: this better than you You just know pretty quick out
Speaker 1: a golf course, I feel like, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: they It's like you can see him hit a shot
Speaker 1: or something and you're like, I don't have that shot.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and like it's just it's even as much as
Speaker 2: just the sound it makes when a guy hits it
Speaker 2: because we stand on Raine. I mean, I've heard I've
Speaker 2: heard myself hit it my whole life. I've heard good
Speaker 2: players hit it every day he's down in there, and
Speaker 2: you hear fifty guys hitting the ball all the time constantly,
Speaker 2: So we're really tuned into the sound of a golf shot.
Speaker 2: Every five or ten years, somebody comes along and hits
Speaker 2: one that we've never heard it sound like that. It's like,
Speaker 2: oh my goodness, and Dustin's one of them. It's just
Speaker 2: Dustin and Rory, especially the noise it makes. It makes
Speaker 2: you turn around, like when they're hitting their long clubs
Speaker 2: because it's sat square and that's solid, and yeah, I
Speaker 2: can't do that.
Speaker 1: But has there been any guy that has that sound
Speaker 1: that you know, that hasn't had the career that you
Speaker 1: thought they would. That you know, maybe that dust at
Speaker 1: a Rory level, but who you were like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: this guy think is going to be really good, but
Speaker 1: just hasn't.
Speaker 4: I don't want you to throw anybody under the bus.
Speaker 2: It's pretty rare, to be honest, usually. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think also it's a self preservation confidence thing. I don't
Speaker 2: know what all the other guys but at least I
Speaker 2: can't speak to them.
Speaker 3: But for me, I think I would always kind of.
Speaker 2: Not like just just feel like I'm better than them anyway,
Speaker 2: just not look it was only if it was just
Speaker 2: that amazing that it would like you would notice, because
Speaker 2: it's sort of like to keep yourself confident. You can't think,
Speaker 2: oh my, this guy's good, this guy's good, this guy's good,
Speaker 2: this guy's good. Even though everyone's good, you kind of
Speaker 2: have to keep a bit for yourself. Now I can
Speaker 2: still beat that guy, I can say, But every now
Speaker 2: and then someone comes along that you just you just
Speaker 2: just a comedy like it's just that much better at
Speaker 2: silly and those guys were it not really. I think
Speaker 2: generally sound is a very telling thing, and it's a
Speaker 2: tuned in thing that the average year that hasn't listened
Speaker 2: to a million pros hit balls could hear it. But
Speaker 2: there is very rarely a guy I can make that
Speaker 2: sound that squash doesn't at least have a period where
Speaker 2: he's just outrageously good. No, everyone who should have made it.
Speaker 2: I think there's some who have like gone away made
Speaker 2: it and then gone away quickly, and you can't work
Speaker 2: it out why. But generally.
Speaker 3: I mean, someone who we know is great is usually great.
Speaker 1: Who's the guy that had the worst sound that was
Speaker 1: really good that, you know as a testament to they
Speaker 1: They weren't. They didn't have the Christmas sound, but they
Speaker 1: got every ounce out of it.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, look, there's there's a whole
Speaker 2: gabutt across that I've played with. I mean, Corey Pavin
Speaker 2: was nuts at getting around the golf course. Now he
Speaker 2: didn't make the sound, but he struck the ball really well,
Speaker 2: but so.
Speaker 3: Differently from every other pro.
Speaker 2: I mean, by the time I was playing with him,
Speaker 2: he was hitting the low burning fades, life massive cuts,
Speaker 2: like really low and like running up the fairway and
Speaker 2: then he would do these really and he could he
Speaker 2: could miss hit a lot of shots, but he would
Speaker 2: always beat you. You know, that to me was amazing.
Speaker 2: Furick is nuts. He strikes it really well, but it
Speaker 2: doesn't hit very hard. But the game he plays and
Speaker 2: when you watch him play, it's like incredible. Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: been so many different versions. There's not many really who
Speaker 2: have clanked the ball and unwell for a very long
Speaker 2: period of time. There's some guys who just don't have
Speaker 2: the strike I can't. I'm not going to throw anyone
Speaker 2: on the I can't.
Speaker 3: Think of anyone on the top.
Speaker 2: Some look, some guys are gifted natural ball strikers, and
Speaker 2: some guys are gifted natural around the greens, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. And you know what, like Brad Faxon
Speaker 2: is never going to make a sound like Rory McElroy
Speaker 2: when he hits it. But Brad Faxon tells Rory how
Speaker 2: to put you know, so they everyone has their spot, but.
Speaker 3: Generally guys hit it pretty well. I think now.
Speaker 2: I think it was probably different back with woods and
Speaker 2: balladas and blades and like the clubs back from the eighties,
Speaker 2: when you pick them up now it's like no sweet
Speaker 2: spot clubs.
Speaker 3: There must have been a much.
Speaker 2: More sort of variety of strikes and stuff with different equipment.
Speaker 2: But now most guys are hitting it pretty square and solid.
Speaker 1: I think one of my favorite Corey Pavot memories is
Speaker 1: that Travelers he got in the playoff with Bubba. They
Speaker 1: got in the playoff and I think he hits Rewood
Speaker 1: into the playoff full eighteen and Bubba had lovewedge.
Speaker 2: Oh no, right, unbelievable, I mean, but that shots how
Speaker 2: good he is he's got free with in and he's
Speaker 2: in the playoff of a tournamentive It's nuts. How good
Speaker 2: he was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: It's a good juxtaposition in a way. Was was h
Speaker 1: camp Smith and DJ. Like the way camp Smith was playing.
Speaker 1: You know, he's kind of hitting it all over the place.
Speaker 1: He was getting up and down out of trash cans.
Speaker 1: You know, it was incredible. You know he's hanging in there.
Speaker 1: He really had a shot on the back nine if DJ,
Speaker 1: you know, screwed anything up. But that was the thing
Speaker 1: I wanted to you know, your President's Cup team showed out.
Speaker 1: It was like the twenty nineteen President's Cup team leaderboard,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to know if you thought there that
Speaker 1: Royal Melbourne it all helped him.
Speaker 2: I think yeah, I think a few things helped them.
Speaker 2: When we left that week, there would everyone I think,
Speaker 2: or at least most people inside the locker room, had
Speaker 2: the feeling that a lot of these boys are going
Speaker 2: to kick on and they're going to get a lot
Speaker 2: out of this.
Speaker 3: You know, we had a really good week.
Speaker 2: Ernie Els was incredibly like good captain and I think
Speaker 2: they all got a light out of spending a week
Speaker 2: with Ernie and and at Roll Melbourne, so there was
Speaker 2: a feeling and then COVID came and maybe there was
Speaker 2: a little bit of momentum loss. But yes, I think
Speaker 2: Roll Melbourne really helped him from the Masters, especially guys
Speaker 2: like Answer and that who probably hadn't played stuff like
Speaker 2: that before. And the confidence you get out of making
Speaker 2: parts and hitting shots like they had to at the
Speaker 2: President's Cup at Royal Melbourne a similar style shots at Augusta,
Speaker 2: So I think it probably helped them. Yeah, I mean, look,
Speaker 2: it's a great dress rehearsal. I mean a Royal Melbourne,
Speaker 2: well it looks completely different. If you can navigate Roal Melbourne,
Speaker 2: you can navigate Augusta, you know, by the way the
Speaker 2: greens are and the way you have to approach them
Speaker 2: and under the hole and angles and all that sort
Speaker 2: of stuff.
Speaker 3: So I'm sure it really helped. Yeah, brilliant. It was
Speaker 3: fun to see Cam Cams.
Speaker 2: Cam's got that way about him that the closer you
Speaker 2: get to the end of the tournament, the better he's
Speaker 2: going to be. You know, really hard work, a great player,
Speaker 2: but he's definitely got a nose for the poorty end
Speaker 2: of the tournament. And you could see that with the
Speaker 2: scramble and hanging on as they didn't matter what he
Speaker 2: was doing.
Speaker 3: He was going to hang in there, you know.
Speaker 2: So I would he's got every chance to win anywhere.
Speaker 2: When you see him sort of the way he was doing,
Speaker 2: he was playing great. An answer played great. Yeah, It's Look,
Speaker 2: the Masters has always had a lot of international stuff
Speaker 2: up the top, and I think that's because it's quite unique.
Speaker 2: It's a unique setup for American golf, so it's a
Speaker 2: bit more democratic in that respect, you know. I think
Speaker 2: it gives it's a little bit more of a longheaded
Speaker 2: course now, but it generally gives everyone a chance and
Speaker 2: if you can sort of adapt and learn with any experience,
Speaker 2: you can pull experience from anywhere, and.
Speaker 3: I think it helps you. Augusta.
Speaker 2: I think generally international non Americans have often done really
Speaker 2: well because their experience with a variety of conditions kind
Speaker 2: of steps up. And I think Roll Melbourne is probably
Speaker 2: one of the best examples of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the I think obviously DJ One he's one
Speaker 1: of the longest players this year, but in general the
Speaker 1: last few years, it hasn't been long players that have
Speaker 1: been winning necessarily all the time, Like obviously you have
Speaker 1: your Bubba's, but you have speeth. You got Danny Willet
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily long tiger at aage forty four, was not
Speaker 1: a long hitter.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's a course that is very you know, it
Speaker 1: allows a lot of different styles, and I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: with just Sung, Jay, DJ and and Cam, it showed
Speaker 1: like three distinctly different types of players going going add
Speaker 1: it down the stretch on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I think distance gets so much
Speaker 2: attention now and it's a bit unfair to the rest
Speaker 2: of the game, you know, because the rest of the
Speaker 2: game is always just as important, and getting the ball
Speaker 2: in the hole is still the most important thing. I mean,
Speaker 2: Bryson holds so many parts, Like it's not just how
Speaker 2: if he hit it far and didn't hold any puts,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't even like we would all be bagging his approach,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, we don't think it's wrong.
Speaker 2: So and Augusta is always great at showing that, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, distance is a massive advantage, but it's proportionate
Speaker 2: to everything else, you know, proportionate to the short game
Speaker 2: and strategy and leaving it where it is and leaving
Speaker 2: it under the hole and putting well. So yeah, again
Speaker 2: playing at its absolute longest. I imagine last week with
Speaker 2: the way the Fairways were playing with all the rain. Yeah,
Speaker 2: with Cam and Sung Jay and as you say, normal
Speaker 2: sort of players and speeds had a great run there
Speaker 2: a few years back. Length is important, but it's you
Speaker 2: can overcome that if you do other stuff great there.
Speaker 1: Did you use green reading books a lot when you played?
Speaker 1: Did you start at the end or were you just
Speaker 1: pretty much did you read the green?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I didn't really use green reading books.
Speaker 2: I feel like the traditional kind of breaks to the
Speaker 2: eleventh green kind of thing works really well at the mark.
Speaker 3: Just the red dot theory.
Speaker 2: You know, in the local caddies, they've got red dots,
Speaker 2: and that's kind of the general direction, and the ones
Speaker 2: that are obvious break where they do, and the ones
Speaker 2: that aren't obvious generally kind of drift towards that sort
Speaker 2: of raised creek area. I didn't like reading a Green,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I didn't like reading a Green with a percentage.
Speaker 3: I think I put one in a couple of times
Speaker 3: and had to look.
Speaker 2: But I found myself getting so intrenched in the book
Speaker 2: and forgetting about the put and that's not I feel
Speaker 2: like it gave me the right reads, but I didn't
Speaker 2: hit the right put reading it that way, Does that
Speaker 2: make sense? I was a little detached from the feel
Speaker 2: of it or something, so it didn't work for me.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't my thing. But I've seen guys who
Speaker 2: weren't amazing green readers put them in and became great
Speaker 2: green readers and improve their putting. So I'm not saying
Speaker 2: they're not great for the right guy. But for me,
Speaker 2: there weren't my thing. I was more under my feet,
Speaker 2: kind of looked feel I needed to be connected to
Speaker 2: the feel of the put more than I needed to
Speaker 2: know the exact break.
Speaker 3: That makes sense or I do.
Speaker 1: I'm curious with big tournaments. Did you ever have like
Speaker 1: a trouble getting started at any part of your career,
Speaker 1: like getting going in like the first round, like just
Speaker 1: getting off to a good start.
Speaker 4: Is that ever?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think for me getting off to a good start,
Speaker 2: if I'd hyped up the tournament a lot in my
Speaker 2: mind and like really was excited about it, and like
Speaker 2: it was it was almost too important.
Speaker 3: I'd made it too important in my mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think starts were really difficult. It sounds kind
Speaker 2: of negative, but I feel like almost on the first
Speaker 2: tee just sort of oh, well, I hope I play well.
Speaker 2: This would be nice and like focus and like get
Speaker 2: right into this, but we'll see what happens. Was a
Speaker 2: better approach that I'm going to play well this week,
Speaker 2: you know? For me, I feel like when I was
Speaker 2: I'm going to play well this week six holes in,
Speaker 2: I'm three over after six and scratching my head, going, well,
Speaker 2: I wonder if I can get home Friday night or
Speaker 2: it's going to be Saturday morning, you know. But later
Speaker 2: on or the ones just even earlier on, I did
Speaker 2: quite well at starts and majors and stuff when I
Speaker 2: actually went there and I had no clue and I
Speaker 2: was just happy to be there, and I played well,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, as opposed to later on sometimes
Speaker 2: when I was really ripped up and I'm going to
Speaker 2: play well this week, That's when I found it hard.
Speaker 2: So I'm guessing this is related to Rory.
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, I bet it's just puzzling, you know.
Speaker 1: It's uh, And I think like, and I'm not at
Speaker 1: all any sort of person that can talk to PGA tour,
Speaker 1: but like I feel like when we'd have a state
Speaker 1: tournament at a course I grew up playing, or my
Speaker 1: home course, or I always struggled at those, But if
Speaker 1: it's somewhere else, like and I just wonder if something,
Speaker 1: you know, you look at what he's been doing in Majors,
Speaker 1: and it's like, if he just got rid of the
Speaker 1: first eighteen holes, he'd have won three or four of
Speaker 1: them by now since his last one. And it's just
Speaker 1: it's just it's so and you every year you hear
Speaker 1: him with a different mentality coming into the Masters. You know,
Speaker 1: it's one year he's juggling, you know, one year he
Speaker 1: spent tons of time at Augusta, And you just wonder,
Speaker 1: like it's it's gotta be because like sood, the same
Speaker 1: guy that played the first eighteen holes wasn't the same
Speaker 1: guy that played the next fifty four.
Speaker 2: No, And that's pretty common the pattern, his pattern at
Speaker 2: the Master's the last couple of years, bad first round,
Speaker 2: like good barnstorming finish. That's quite a common pattern, you know.
Speaker 2: And as you say, that seems to pop up with
Speaker 2: home courses and courses where people everyone's like, this guy's
Speaker 2: gonna win, for sure.
Speaker 3: He's a Master at this course, all of a sudden
Speaker 3: he starts badly.
Speaker 2: Well that's just that kind of amplifies how good Dustin's
Speaker 2: mental state is. Yeah, you know, like it actually it means.
Speaker 2: It means so much to Rory, and he's actually trying.
Speaker 2: He's trying different things to play well there, you know,
Speaker 2: which is admirable and it's ninety nine, but numbersent a
Speaker 2: humans do that. You know, Oh that didn't. We'll try
Speaker 2: a different approach. I'll juggle or ill go there more
Speaker 2: role and so it's it's a big expectation his head.
Speaker 2: Dustin's like, oh, the muster is next week. I hope
Speaker 2: I play well, you know kind of thing. And he's
Speaker 2: obviously working, but it's not like he's not working for it.
Speaker 2: But it's not the be all and end all. And
Speaker 2: I think he was sess Australians we saw it was
Speaker 2: the shark.
Speaker 3: Augusta.
Speaker 2: It just became almost too important, you know, And f
Speaker 2: Rory it's partly self inflicted, but also like the world
Speaker 2: around him inflicted. You gotta win this, you gotta win this,
Speaker 2: you gota. We don't have to win this. The guy's
Speaker 2: at all time Hall of Fame legend. I mean what
Speaker 2: a legend. He doesn't He's plays so good, it must
Speaker 2: be so fun to play like that. He doesn't need it,
Speaker 2: like Sam Snead never won the US Open, and Sam's
Speaker 2: needs going to it's fine, you know.
Speaker 3: So it's like it's.
Speaker 2: Fine, but obviously really really wants it. And that's a
Speaker 2: hard thing. That's just a hard It's it's a difficult
Speaker 2: course when you don't even like it, not for the Masters,
Speaker 2: but all of a sudden you put all that stuff up,
Speaker 2: and all the ghosts of the Masters and all the
Speaker 2: things that come with the fact that it's the mass,
Speaker 2: is the loftim exemption, it's the grain jacket and all
Speaker 2: that stuff.
Speaker 3: It just adds so many layers of.
Speaker 2: Pressure if in your head winning is the only good
Speaker 2: result that week, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's like what you saw Ernie's comments
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, Like and you know, he
Speaker 1: was a guy that was like a perfect example where oh,
Speaker 1: he's going to win three of these things and he's
Speaker 1: perfect and he goes out and shoots sight of what
Speaker 1: was it, thirty three on the back nine with a
Speaker 1: two shot lead and loses the fill you know, one
Speaker 1: year and it's just I think Rory's self awareness and
Speaker 1: like everything that makes golf fans love him. I got
Speaker 1: comments from people like why does every golf writer commentator
Speaker 1: love Rory so much? And it's because of his self
Speaker 1: awareness and like the way he speaks about the game
Speaker 1: that everybody loves it, it loves you know him and
Speaker 1: roots for him. Is that might get in his way
Speaker 1: of like, you know, the expectations just rise and he's
Speaker 1: too aware of everything that comes with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thinking is certainly the enemy.
Speaker 2: In golf, like overthinking, anythinking really, I mean, we all
Speaker 2: just do better if we just see ball hit ball, right,
Speaker 2: that's the ideal. And Rory's not made up that way
Speaker 2: neither am I We think about stuff and like he
Speaker 2: he's very as you said, very aware of the whole situation,
Speaker 2: the whole state of the game, where he's at the
Speaker 2: importance of everything. Very kind of Yeah, he's that guy
Speaker 2: which is great in the media center, but maybe not
Speaker 2: so great at getting ready for the first round of
Speaker 2: a tournament you really really really really really want to win,
Speaker 2: you know, because he's clearly playing as well as Dustin
Speaker 2: if you look at his last couple of rounds, he's
Speaker 2: on pace form wise, I.
Speaker 4: Mean he sparted at dust In ten shots.
Speaker 1: They played together DJ b Bay ten shots the first round,
Speaker 1: and then they finished the terms twenty hundred eleven under.
Speaker 1: You know, they played the same for the next fifty
Speaker 1: four holes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the standard is is he's right there.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Look, I played with Ernie a couple of times in
Speaker 2: the first round, first two rounds at the Masters, when
Speaker 2: he'd been playing well on the lead up and all
Speaker 2: that kind of when he was in the thing and
Speaker 2: he started poorly too. And it's like, I think, what
Speaker 2: happens to me at least when I had a lot
Speaker 2: of expectations and I would go out and start, I
Speaker 2: would be playing the same, but maybe I'd make a
Speaker 2: bogie on the second hole. If I had high expectations
Speaker 2: that week, that bogie on the second hole would make
Speaker 2: my head explode and in all the stress and all
Speaker 2: the worry. Whereas if I was just going in there
Speaker 2: hoping to have a good tournament, if I bogged the
Speaker 2: second I was like, oh, we'll get it back on
Speaker 2: the third. You know, it was like more or because
Speaker 2: I wasn't worried about anything in the future, I was
Speaker 2: just like, all right, well, let's do Boggy too. Let's
Speaker 2: Birdy the third third. Whereas I think, when you've got
Speaker 2: this expectation that you're going to win the tournament and
Speaker 2: this is the only thing that matters, now, when you
Speaker 2: bog you the second on Thursday, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you freak out, you know, and you don't react well,
Speaker 2: and now you're three over after six as opposed to
Speaker 2: maybe just have a settling Birdy a couple of holes later.
Speaker 3: So it's it.
Speaker 2: Isn't really that he's not ready on the first team
Speaker 2: for me, if I was doing what he did, and
Speaker 2: I never did it on that scale, But when I
Speaker 2: had a bad first round and came storming back, it
Speaker 2: was always because I was too attached to the end
Speaker 2: result of the tournament on Thursday or Friday and not
Speaker 2: just on looking at what I was doing. And I
Speaker 2: think that's just a natural byproduct of wanting to win
Speaker 2: something so bad it's hard to get out of your head,
Speaker 2: you know, And you've been for six months every time
Speaker 2: you're on the range, your whole life.
Speaker 3: Basically you're on the range eating parts. This is about.
Speaker 2: This is the aiden at the Masters, and this is
Speaker 2: to win this. This is to win that when you
Speaker 2: get there and you've got all this air pressured up
Speaker 2: in the balloon and you're ready to go. As soon
Speaker 2: as you're like kind of there's a crack in the armor.
Speaker 2: It all seems to fall apart when you're really really
Speaker 2: amped up about the end result. For me, but when
Speaker 2: I just went there with no expectations and I'll hit
Speaker 2: it down the first and I'll see if I can
Speaker 2: hit the fairway and then move on, it's but it is.
Speaker 2: It's that one shot at a time, just be present.
Speaker 2: And I think it's very difficult to do that with
Speaker 2: such massive expectations and like kind of demand on yourself
Speaker 2: to win the tournament, which we all kind of do.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2: His challenge isn't learning how to play well enough or
Speaker 2: any theories for winning the Masters. His challenges to get
Speaker 2: there and to just trade it like a normal tournament,
Speaker 2: because if he plays his normal way, he's going to
Speaker 2: be there at the end.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then you think back to like DJ where this
Speaker 1: conversation started, and his mentality is think about what happened
Speaker 1: to him at Chambers Bay, and like how ninety nine
Speaker 1: point nine percent of golfers would have reacted to that,
Speaker 1: you know, three plot the last hole, you would have
Speaker 1: seen him with their head in their hands, like he
Speaker 1: just like walked off the budding green and was like
Speaker 1: went on as Mary way seemingly. You know, I'm sure
Speaker 1: he was busted up and the inside it's sub vain,
Speaker 1: but from the outside it, you know, he seemingly just
Speaker 1: kind of moved on as soon as it was over.
Speaker 2: And people what bugs me is people have often had
Speaker 2: that approach. It's gone on because Dozen doesn't think about
Speaker 2: anything though. He's just so simple, And I'm like, well, no,
Speaker 2: it's actually the only intelligent way to deal with what
Speaker 2: happened at Jambers Bay. After seventy two holes on that green,
Speaker 2: those greens, that was going to happen to somebody, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, it would just we'd all be missing two
Speaker 2: foots all week.
Speaker 3: So it wasn't like.
Speaker 2: This was like an easy sort of two part that
Speaker 2: he had in a great situation. And it was like
Speaker 2: you were kind of that was that way he parted
Speaker 2: out on that last hole, was in every hole for
Speaker 2: seventy holes that week, the way it was, and he
Speaker 2: just I think it's just it's actually the perspective he
Speaker 2: shows he's busted up. You know, he's busted up because
Speaker 2: he really wants it. But it's like, well, it just
Speaker 2: wasn't my day. The Greens were like that, it's a shame,
Speaker 2: but it's not going to help me to dwell on this.
Speaker 3: Let's just move on.
Speaker 2: Like I don't actually think he has that conversation in
Speaker 2: his head, but that's how it happens. That's actually the
Speaker 2: best way to deal with anything, the way he deals
Speaker 2: with it. And yet people kind of maybe think he's
Speaker 2: lucky for that approach, but I don't know. I just
Speaker 2: think he's he's got this innate feeling that none of
Speaker 2: that is it's not really the end of the world
Speaker 2: when you three pup the last that year was open
Speaker 2: because he knows he's great and Noil wins the more
Speaker 2: down the road, you know, it's a great approach.
Speaker 1: If you had to put it, like an over under
Speaker 1: on DJ's Majors, what he ends with, what would you?
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got five runner ups, two wins, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple a handful of thirds.
Speaker 4: What's he get to when it's all said and done, as.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's obviously an impossible thing, but it wouldn't
Speaker 2: be surprising to see him get to five or six
Speaker 2: I think probably.
Speaker 3: I mean mid thirties. Now you'd think seemingly.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know he's had the old injury here
Speaker 2: and there, but they were kind of outlier injuries.
Speaker 3: He hasn't had a patent.
Speaker 2: The pattern of his body's been pretty good, and he
Speaker 2: doesn't he's clearly the best goal for it's physically he's
Speaker 2: going to be competing for five or six years.
Speaker 3: And that's twenty or so chances.
Speaker 2: He's so good when he gets good, I mean, he
Speaker 2: might not win anymore, but it wouldn't be surprising to
Speaker 2: see him win five or six or seven, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, because he could easily.
Speaker 3: Win two in a year.
Speaker 2: The way like when he gets going, he gets going
Speaker 2: and it's almost no one beats him, and he just
Speaker 2: gets further away from the field and he seems that
Speaker 2: was the first time he'd started in a lead, right,
Speaker 2: like a proper lead in a major, and like just
Speaker 2: he had the bit of a roughish front nine and
Speaker 2: then just went away.
Speaker 3: I think you do that once.
Speaker 2: There's unbelievable confidence that he can get out of that.
Speaker 2: And if you've got that confidence and belief with the
Speaker 2: game compared to that game that he has. Wow, he
Speaker 2: could win and he could win at any court. There's
Speaker 2: no course that he couldn't win at too, because he's
Speaker 2: got more than just long you know, he's got your shapes. Certain,
Speaker 2: he's got a great sense for golf, like he knows.
Speaker 2: He plays a smart He play hits the right clubs
Speaker 2: and his strategy is always pretty sound and he doesn't
Speaker 2: make bad decisions on the course.
Speaker 3: He can win anyway.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's got five or six months and he
Speaker 2: gets to go back to the masses again with all
Speaker 2: that confidence. If he's inform, it'd be hard to bet
Speaker 2: against him. It'll be interesting. Yeah, I think he'll win
Speaker 2: a few more though he's too good, not too.
Speaker 1: The other thing, too, is that he's got he's gone
Speaker 1: through every awful thing that can happen at a major,
Speaker 1: you know, on Sunday already, And I think there's value
Speaker 1: to that, Like it's you saw it on on Sunday.
Speaker 1: It's like he made those two bogies, Well that was
Speaker 1: like nothing comparative when he shot eighty at Pebble, you know,
Speaker 1: and that was you know, nothing compared And it was
Speaker 1: like I think that stuff when you have those near misses.
Speaker 1: It builds so much character in you, in your golf,
Speaker 1: in your golf character, like it builds in your golf soul.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I don't think he's gonna have disastrous
Speaker 1: Sundays as often in majors or maybe ever again, like
Speaker 1: he's had all the bad luck and he has too.
Speaker 4: You know it's if.
Speaker 2: You yeah, I think I always found in those really
Speaker 2: extreme Sunday rounds, those big rounds, the disaster comes from
Speaker 2: panicking when you have like he tripled the second at
Speaker 2: Pebble right, and in your head just spins and you panic.
Speaker 3: A little bit.
Speaker 2: Whereas if it was Thursday in the Pebble Beach pro
Speaker 2: am or something, he tripled the second hole and then
Speaker 2: he'd go on and he'd make a few birdies. He
Speaker 2: wouldn't panic when he made the triple. If you annoyed,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't panic. And I think on Sundays you panic.
Speaker 2: But now, as you said, because he's been through that,
Speaker 2: been through an outrageously weird situation at Whistling Straits Chambers
Speaker 2: Bay again, kind of a weird situation because on any
Speaker 2: normal green he wouldn't have free part of that, you know,
Speaker 2: it was a crazy pin on a crazy surface.
Speaker 4: Olk, but even when he won was crazy.
Speaker 3: I mean Oakmont.
Speaker 2: He's been through Sunday kind of weird, crazy, un settling
Speaker 2: things that have happened on Sundays so many times. As
Speaker 2: you said, he's like battle hardened now, like he's not
Speaker 2: going to panic.
Speaker 3: He knows he can get it done.
Speaker 2: He knows it's not the end of the world if
Speaker 2: he doesn't win, you know, because he's had actually some
Speaker 2: ones that really would make you think it's the end
Speaker 2: of the world, two or three of them. It's like
Speaker 2: head in the hands, what sport am I going to
Speaker 2: play next?
Speaker 3: Sort of thing.
Speaker 2: But he's coming out the other side unscathed and got
Speaker 2: better for it.
Speaker 3: Nothing.
Speaker 2: What's going to worry him on Sunday now, yeah nothing,
Speaker 2: Nothing worse can happen that's already kind of happened. So
Speaker 2: he's now there in that headspace with a better physical
Speaker 2: golf game than most people. And oh well, like good
Speaker 2: things happen, bad things happen, but not worried about bad
Speaker 2: things happening. Now he's got an advantage of everyone else
Speaker 2: is now thinking that that bad things might happen, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, battle hardened brilliant. Yeah, I think he could Sundays.
Speaker 2: He could just become the Sunday guy now like quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in that he's got obviously, like the PGA is
Speaker 1: like a Dustin Johnson set up tournament. You know, the
Speaker 1: US Open every year is a dust and you know,
Speaker 1: now he's got the Basterds. Like in many ways, like
Speaker 1: I've heard Major Champ you'd say that the Open is
Speaker 1: actually the easiest to win because if you get on
Speaker 1: the right side of the draw, it could be a
Speaker 1: you know, half field tournament, is like that might be
Speaker 1: the hardest major for him to win is the Open.
Speaker 1: But even then he's got all the shots.
Speaker 3: He's so talented.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's no it's an outrageous thing
Speaker 2: to say that anybody knows this for sure or whatever,
Speaker 2: but really, pretty much every day everybody in the world
Speaker 2: wakes up, he's the best golfer generally, you know, more
Speaker 2: often he's more often that day better than everyone else
Speaker 2: on that go Everyone's there's some unbelievable golfers at the moment.
Speaker 3: It always has been.
Speaker 2: But like just Thomas and de Shambeau and Brooks and
Speaker 2: Webb Simpson and across the.
Speaker 3: Bo I mean, there's this players playing well all.
Speaker 2: The time and I miss ten of them, right, but
Speaker 2: all things considered dust and seems to be the best
Speaker 2: most of the time. You know, he's always playing the
Speaker 2: best golf in the world.
Speaker 3: And that guy with a good headspace. Wow, I mean,
Speaker 3: you're not Vietnam.
Speaker 2: And the Open it opens a ball striking contest more
Speaker 2: than it does a putting contest. You know, if the
Speaker 2: Masters in the US Open become short game and putting
Speaker 2: contests a little bit, the Open is usually it's truly
Speaker 2: a ball strike, firm conditions, cross wins. The putting is
Speaker 2: generally flat and a bit easier. You know, you hold
Speaker 2: a few more fifteen twenty foot is at the Open,
Speaker 2: but getting it to fifteen twenty foot is the real skill.
Speaker 3: And a ball striker that good.
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, I mean head close calls like Royal St. George's.
Speaker 4: He had a close call? Was it Saint Andrews?
Speaker 1: He was really close and then Zach Johnson took that one,
Speaker 1: I think, But yeah, I mean is I would say
Speaker 1: that if you put it at three and a half,
Speaker 1: if you know, four or over or four or lass,
Speaker 1: it would be be an interesting bad I wonder what
Speaker 1: Vegas would put it out.
Speaker 3: Oh he's over under career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, look because he could
Speaker 2: win three next year and then all the sunny's at five,
Speaker 2: you know, or he might go two years.
Speaker 3: He might. I mean when when Rory.
Speaker 2: Left wherever it was, this guy's going to win twenty majors,
Speaker 2: you know, But things happen and life gets in the way,
Speaker 2: and there's always I mean, justin Thomas is surely going
Speaker 2: to break out and win a few more the way
Speaker 2: he seems to play in these big tournaments all the time.
Speaker 2: And then there's Rory, and then Bryson, and then Brooks
Speaker 2: seems can win them for fun too, and then there's
Speaker 2: Marakawa who's coming, and all these other guys. So it's
Speaker 2: it's not like he's going to have it free. No
Speaker 2: one's ever had it free. But it's getting There's more
Speaker 2: and more guys playing like when when I first started,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure it was even more like amplified back
Speaker 2: in Jack's day and Hogan's day and Jones, I mean,
Speaker 2: all the way through, the best has always been way
Speaker 2: better than everyone else, you know, And when I when
Speaker 2: Tiger came out and in my time it was so
Speaker 2: it was so far and away the best, and then
Speaker 2: Duval and then everybody else, you know what I mean
Speaker 2: kind of thing, Ernie.
Speaker 3: But now there's.
Speaker 2: Twenty five guys who like play at that level. That's
Speaker 2: such a high level that it's going to be hard
Speaker 2: at a mass. It's at least at the moment. And
Speaker 2: we said this before Tiger came out, that no one's
Speaker 2: eving going to win eighteen or ever, no chance because
Speaker 2: there's too many good players. But it's even amplified now.
Speaker 2: There's so many good players, so it wouldn't be weird
Speaker 2: if you didn't win any and it wouldn't be weird
Speaker 2: if you won another five. Like it's yeah, I'd like
Speaker 2: to I'd like to own a steak in Dustin's golf future.
Speaker 1: Though you should have tried to buy in an Akron
Speaker 1: when you played the first time with.
Speaker 3: Them, absolutely by five percent.
Speaker 4: Of what about a good a shrewd investment that.
Speaker 1: So before the week Can'tley says, this golf course changes
Speaker 1: every year. They tweaked the eighteenth green two years ago,
Speaker 1: and they tweaked the fifth green last year. Maybe in
Speaker 1: a weird way. I know more about the fifth hole
Speaker 1: than Jack Nicholas knows about the fifth hole, and he
Speaker 1: talked this was a question about like.
Speaker 4: Do you.
Speaker 1: Know lean on past champions players that I've had success here?
Speaker 1: And he kind of was like, you know what, I
Speaker 1: kind of just go do my own thing. So do
Speaker 1: you think the value of experience that Augusta National will
Speaker 1: decrease over time as technology continues to advance, or is
Speaker 1: Augusta unique enough that it'll always require years of.
Speaker 4: Experience to continually succeed.
Speaker 2: I don't think it'll always require it, you know, Like
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a prerequisite. Is I don't think
Speaker 2: you need experience to play well there, but it certainly helps.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at Langa. You know, if you had.
Speaker 2: That field around the Houston Open, Lang is not making
Speaker 2: the cut, you know what I mean, Or Tory Pine
Speaker 2: South or something, you know what I mean, or most
Speaker 2: of the place we there's just no way. But you
Speaker 2: get to a really long, soft, toasted Augusta there's Langer
Speaker 2: has probably knows how to play that course better than
Speaker 2: anyone in that field, you know, because he's played it
Speaker 2: more times than any world And it really is always
Speaker 2: going to be that place. I'm not saying Patrick Patrick
Speaker 2: can approach it anyway once and he's a very cerebral
Speaker 2: kind of guy, and he's a smart goal guy and
Speaker 2: he works it out. But yeah, and they do it
Speaker 2: just they've been adjusting stuff forever, right, every year we
Speaker 2: get there, it's like, oh, they've done something to eleven,
Speaker 2: or they've done something to the fifth green, or there's
Speaker 2: there's something different here, and.
Speaker 3: It's constantly evolving.
Speaker 2: But generally it's not really Augusta about one little.
Speaker 3: Specific thing here or there.
Speaker 2: It's just the more times you hit it in the
Speaker 2: wrong spot there you learn how to play the court.
Speaker 2: I mean, when you're in the right spot, you just think,
Speaker 2: oh this I was pretty easy. But it's not until
Speaker 2: you hit it over the the first hole that you
Speaker 2: just don't hit it there again and you don't miss
Speaker 2: it back right for that pin or front left for
Speaker 2: that pin or ever. And it just takes a certain
Speaker 2: number of rounds that you can't get out of a
Speaker 2: green book or.
Speaker 3: Just looking.
Speaker 2: It just takes getting burnt a few times to kind
Speaker 2: of find your your kind of line of charm around
Speaker 2: the course, you know what I mean, Or ways to
Speaker 2: play certain pins and how does it play when it's cold?
Speaker 3: And windy.
Speaker 2: You know, how does it play when it's long and
Speaker 2: soft here? Like does it play different in the afternoons?
Speaker 2: Can you read this screen when this shadows on it
Speaker 2: or not? Like it's such a There are so many
Speaker 2: little intricacies and nuances to playing that course in that tournament.
Speaker 2: That experience is always going to be an advantage. It's
Speaker 2: always going to be it's always going to be an
Speaker 2: advantage to have that information. I mean, you don't, as
Speaker 2: I said, you don't need it, but it's an advantage.
Speaker 2: So Patrick, he's probably going about it the right way
Speaker 2: for him, but he'll be better than than he was
Speaker 2: this time. Yeah, I think you better there at the
Speaker 2: time after than he was that time. So that sort
Speaker 2: of says that experience stats something. You know.
Speaker 1: Web Simpson had like a great quote after his first
Speaker 1: round he played really well and last year, after you know,
Speaker 1: years of not playing great, he finished I think t
Speaker 1: fifth last year and uh, they asked him, like, you know,
Speaker 1: what's with the you know, your recent really strong play here,
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, I had to start giving
Speaker 1: the golf course more respect, Like I can't show up
Speaker 1: here and play it like I play a normal tour course.
Speaker 1: Like there are places you just cannot hit the ball
Speaker 1: and I have to leave myself in certain places, and
Speaker 1: he's like in that, now I'm playing the golf course
Speaker 1: so much better, you know, I'm able to score. And
Speaker 1: it's it's funny because, like I I almost got frustrated
Speaker 1: with JT on like Saturday, that just the entire week,
Speaker 1: Like I thought he was playing just as good as DJ,
Speaker 1: and in a way he took chances and took things
Speaker 1: on places where you're like, you know, Tiger would have
Speaker 1: hit this shot here, you know, and and because of it,
Speaker 1: he makes a six on you know, a hole that
Speaker 1: you know, ins said of a four, and you know
Speaker 1: it's like the guy that would have been you know,
Speaker 1: we would have had DJJT Sunday if he you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of takes care of business. It's just interesting
Speaker 1: because like I thought about that Patrick Cantley quote all week,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you see the guys longer and even
Speaker 1: Tiger came up with no form whatsoever, and after the
Speaker 1: first round he's there sixty eight.
Speaker 2: You know, it is it's that it's it's hard to
Speaker 2: there are no golf courses that we play at least regularly.
Speaker 3: That have so much to learn.
Speaker 2: You know. It's a sense of timing too, because there's
Speaker 2: two ways. I mean, Websines has learned to respect the
Speaker 2: course a little bit. I had to learn to lose
Speaker 2: a little bit of respect. At times I respected it
Speaker 2: too much. Sometimes I went in too cautious and played
Speaker 2: really and I played great, or week can finish fifteenth
Speaker 2: because I just couldn't make enough birdies because I was
Speaker 2: playing it too smart. And where I think the guys
Speaker 2: who are really good at that place traditionally, I mean
Speaker 2: guys like Jack and Tiger and Phil and Bubba, is
Speaker 2: that they know when to play smart, but they also
Speaker 2: have a sense of timing when you know what, I
Speaker 2: have to take this shot on, you know, and they do,
Speaker 2: you know, because you see the winners sometimes play outrageously aggressive.
Speaker 3: Shots in fifteen and.
Speaker 2: Stuff like that, and you just you just wouldn't do
Speaker 2: it if you had respect for the shot. But every
Speaker 2: now and then there's a sense of timing and and
Speaker 2: recognition of you know what to win this week, there's
Speaker 2: a few shots I have to take on and there's
Speaker 2: a few shots that I really have to respect and
Speaker 2: every day, and that's on every hole, I mean, one
Speaker 2: day the seventh, you're hitting away from the hole. You're
Speaker 2: hitting a conservative t shot away from the hole because
Speaker 2: that's the way the pin is. And then the next
Speaker 2: day you move the pin fifteen feet and you're trying
Speaker 2: to smash up as far as you can and you're
Speaker 2: really trying to stump and hold your second shot almost
Speaker 2: like and they can change, but you have to have
Speaker 2: experienced every hole with all the different pins in all
Speaker 2: their different conditions to kind of have that sort of
Speaker 2: database of knowledge about all these things, which ones you
Speaker 2: can get away with going for and which ones you can't.
Speaker 2: And I really do think that's just a trial by
Speaker 2: error experienced thing. I mean, you can do it. First week,
Speaker 2: Camp Smith played great. Was that it was his first one.
Speaker 1: Right, I don't think it was Camp He finished t
Speaker 1: fifth a couple of years ago there and then yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, top five Chambers.
Speaker 3: And was it his first one?
Speaker 4: It was? It was Sung Tase.
Speaker 2: And Sun Jay's first one finished second. So it can
Speaker 2: be done. But uh, it's just it's an advantage. As
Speaker 2: I said, and as we talked about last year, the
Speaker 2: big one of the biggest things about Augusta is the.
Speaker 3: The freedom which you can swing it.
Speaker 2: It makes you nervous because it's a nervous making place
Speaker 2: and there's train wrecks everywhere. So you're hitting the sh
Speaker 2: that you can only hit. You if you hit with
Speaker 2: this free gay abandon almost you know just just what
Speaker 2: happens happens, and that's when you hit your great shots,
Speaker 2: when you don't really worry about where they go. But
Speaker 2: the shot that you're having to take on there's all
Speaker 2: sorts of bad things that can happen, but the.
Speaker 3: Only way you can hit it is to free up.
Speaker 2: So it does that to you. And I think the
Speaker 2: more you know the course, the more you understand the
Speaker 2: good and bad spots you can miss for each shot
Speaker 2: and eats pin so it allows you to free up,
Speaker 2: you know, because you understand what's up there in front
Speaker 2: of you. But if you haven't sort of played that
Speaker 2: shot with that pin in those conditions a few times,
Speaker 2: you might not know that there's that actually short left
Speaker 2: is actually good today, you know, or so you can
Speaker 2: free swing it out to the left and you'll be okay.
Speaker 2: It kind of that all makes sense. I just think
Speaker 2: you just got to have a database of things that
Speaker 2: you've done and people you've played with, and you play
Speaker 2: practice rounds with guys who've played there before, and everyone's
Speaker 2: always talking about everyone's got theories how to play every
Speaker 2: hole who've played there a long time.
Speaker 3: You know, the first you do this, and on the
Speaker 3: second can you do this?
Speaker 2: And you put all those theories together and you kind
Speaker 2: of come up with your own picture of how you
Speaker 2: want to play the course, but that takes some time. Well.
Speaker 1: The other thing, too, is like you don't know there's
Speaker 1: a terrible place until you get there one time.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, it looks quite simple, and like you
Speaker 2: hit it there like two years ago on Thursday, and
Speaker 2: you got it up and down easy, but they moved
Speaker 2: this pin, sick, this is a six foot and a
Speaker 2: different spot this pin, and now you're in the same
Speaker 2: spot and you can't chip it on the green.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, it really is. Some spots that.
Speaker 2: Look really docile are really really scary, and some spots
Speaker 2: that look really really scary really aren't that bad, you know.
Speaker 1: And Someday Sunday just went around and you know, I
Speaker 1: would say a Sunday Sunday he was getting up and
Speaker 1: down all over the place, but he just went around
Speaker 1: and flagged it all week, like he's in for a
Speaker 1: dose reality when he doesn't have his a game and
Speaker 1: he starts finding these weird places.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also if you get a bit of a
Speaker 2: bounce on the green, there's quite a lot of pins
Speaker 2: there that you can get it close to most there,
Speaker 2: but sometimes you have to land it twenty feet right
Speaker 2: and drift it in or short or back it up
Speaker 2: from the back slope or something. He's just so mechanically amazing,
Speaker 2: doesn't miss a shot, has no weakness physically, and clearly
Speaker 2: mentally he's pretty strong. It's hard to imagine he's not
Speaker 2: going to be sort of knocking on the door for
Speaker 2: those majors for quite a while if his game stays
Speaker 2: the same, because he's talk about sound and like talk
Speaker 2: about adulation of the driving range. I mean, everybody loves
Speaker 2: sung Jay. I mean he's such a good player.
Speaker 1: I just I hope he wins a major so he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to go through the military thing.
Speaker 3: Oh does that get them out of it?
Speaker 4: Yeah? It's only only major I think are Olympics.
Speaker 3: So that would be grouse.
Speaker 2: You would think, well, he'd certainly make the Olympics if
Speaker 2: it happens next year.
Speaker 3: Is it happening?
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I think it's supposed to.
Speaker 3: That would be great.
Speaker 2: That's a strange thing. And when was it Sang Moon
Speaker 2: had to go back? Yeah, I think about and then
Speaker 2: he checked in.
Speaker 4: Like a two year break, you know from the game.
Speaker 1: It's just nuts, was it wasn't it? Uh wasn't uh Ernie.
Speaker 1: Ernie was in the military early as a.
Speaker 3: Kid, but I think so early days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he went to some like his commander was
Speaker 1: like a golf nutt and he ended up just teaching
Speaker 1: lessons on the range or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you read that about all this.
Speaker 2: I wasn't I mean, it wasn't like when Annie and
Speaker 2: all that in the service at some point and I
Speaker 2: would just giving golf lessons back in the day the serviceman.
Speaker 2: I mean, our boys needed and the boys need to
Speaker 2: work on their golf game while they're helping us out,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean everyone needs to work their golf
Speaker 2: game out.
Speaker 4: Real quicks.
Speaker 1: Lots of drama about the sixteenth hole moving the pin
Speaker 1: back right for Sunday.
Speaker 4: What do you think about it?
Speaker 1: That moving away from the whole one flag on the left.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't really like to see it on a regular basis,
Speaker 2: but there is they used to when Nicholas hold that
Speaker 2: part and said five it was up there.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know how how long.
Speaker 2: A period, like how long is it pre seventy five?
Speaker 2: Was it ever down there in the hole one pin?
Speaker 4: I'm not sure?
Speaker 2: Or is that was that a new thing at some
Speaker 2: point like in the late seventies or eighties.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It is a very fun pin, and it's.
Speaker 2: A holy one pin or it's not a holy one pin,
Speaker 2: and they.
Speaker 3: Know where it is.
Speaker 2: There's a six, there's six inches in a different spot
Speaker 2: that it goes in, and there's six inches away that
Speaker 2: it will never go in.
Speaker 3: You know, kind of thing.
Speaker 2: I think because of the history of that pin in
Speaker 2: the last thirty or forty years, I wouldn't like to
Speaker 2: see it go away from it. But saying that, if
Speaker 2: you if you make par on that top right, that's
Speaker 2: probably one of the hardest pars on a par three.
Speaker 2: That's a seven nine or six or eight on whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call it, seven nine in the world,
Speaker 2: that top right pin. I mean, you've got to hit
Speaker 2: the highest of high quality shots to get it on
Speaker 2: the top tier, and if you don't, it's a really
Speaker 2: difficult two part because it's one you really got to
Speaker 2: smash from the bottom of the hill, and you don't
Speaker 2: want to smash it because you don't want to hit
Speaker 2: a four feet past. You know, it's a great So
Speaker 2: on a challenge perspective, I kind of like it. But
Speaker 2: on an excitement perspective, I'd rather see people birdying and
Speaker 2: holing ones and stuff on sixteen rather than all the
Speaker 2: groans from three parts, you know, or balls drifting down
Speaker 2: the hill and like missed puts and stuff.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I'd be fifty to fifty.
Speaker 4: I don't put much stock in this.
Speaker 1: There's there are people out there that say, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: winning a Major without fans isn't real. I think you're
Speaker 1: you beat the best, one of the best fields of
Speaker 1: the world. You want an Augusta. It's a win to win.
Speaker 1: Everybody played the same conditions. Do you put any stock
Speaker 1: Do you think it's easier to win a Major without
Speaker 1: fans or you know, is there any stock or at
Speaker 1: all that would say that major wins without the fans
Speaker 1: this year are diminished Major wins.
Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't say diminished at all.
Speaker 2: Everybody was playing under the same conditions, right, I mean
Speaker 2: everybody was trying to win. Everybody standing there on the
Speaker 2: first three last week really wanted to win the Masters.
Speaker 2: They were there's a there's it's it's it's a different
Speaker 2: environment that they're playing in, but the headspace is still
Speaker 2: the same. This is the Masters, this is lifetime exemption,
Speaker 2: this is the Green Jacket, this is all this stuff.
Speaker 2: It's a different it's probably different challenges, or maybe there's
Speaker 2: an element of challenge that's removed, but it's removed for everybody.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not like it's Dustin's playing with no
Speaker 2: crowd and a chill that environment. Everyone else has pandemonium.
Speaker 2: It's the same for everybody across the board. So I
Speaker 2: don't think it diminishes it in any way. It's probably
Speaker 2: slightly a It might suit slightly different players here and
Speaker 2: there when they're like that. You know, Wingfoot might have
Speaker 2: been interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean, New York.
Speaker 2: Gets loud and boisterous and like kind of crazy later
Speaker 2: on a Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 3: Might have been different from Bryson.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it still looked like he was
Speaker 2: so far and away the best player in the field,
Speaker 2: you know, and the same thing this week and Colin
Speaker 2: it's hard to argue that was that was a pretty
Speaker 2: exciting revd up atmosphere filled kind of back nine and finish,
Speaker 2: even without too many people there. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I don't think it's diminished at all. Everyone's
Speaker 2: playing under the same conditions, and I promise you every
Speaker 2: player in the field is.
Speaker 3: Thinking of it as the same you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he any with twenty twenty coming to an end,
Speaker 1: I think everybody's excited for twenty twenty be over. But
Speaker 1: any impressions on golf in twenty twenty, like what's happened?
Speaker 1: Any any grand conclusions or thoughts in general on the year?
Speaker 3: Oh wow, no amazing.
Speaker 2: I mean in Mark, when it all started coming down
Speaker 2: and all the events started getting canceled and dropping like flies,
Speaker 2: it's just like wow. It was kind of a hidden
Speaker 2: for golf. I was like, what's going to happen here?
Speaker 2: But all of a sudden, the PGA too, had an
Speaker 2: unbelievable job when they went back to Colonial I remember,
Speaker 2: they's know, what are they doing? This is so ridiculous,
Speaker 2: Like everyone's going to get sick and all the players.
Speaker 2: This is such a bad idea. But it went really
Speaker 2: well and then they got better and better and better
Speaker 2: at it, and they basically had it. We forget that
Speaker 2: it wasn't like a normal year, but it was really
Speaker 2: it kind of had a normal tour year in the end,
Speaker 2: or at least a money listed, some results, and we
Speaker 2: got to watch some golf and the best players play.
Speaker 2: So I mean, from that respect, the tour, at least
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour did an unbelievable job.
Speaker 3: And the level.
Speaker 2: Bryson's obviously a story when he said he was going
Speaker 2: to gain all this weight this time last year and
Speaker 2: he's going to come out and hit it further. So
Speaker 2: everyone rolls their eyes and go, okay, Bryson whatever. But
Speaker 2: he came out he actually did it, and no one's
Speaker 2: ever done that, no one's ever tried to gain distance
Speaker 2: significantly and not lost the plot.
Speaker 4: Right, He's Novi's gigged sixty pounds between Masters appearances.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable and like how well he's done that, and
Speaker 2: it's incredible and the effect that that's going to have
Speaker 2: on the way young people approach the game. And then
Speaker 2: kind of the anti Bryson approach, if you like, with
Speaker 2: dust with dustin. I mean, he's not anti but it's
Speaker 2: the opposite end of the spectrum that you've got bookends
Speaker 2: about how to approach golf. You know, you've got no
Speaker 2: stone unturned Bryson, you get like Albert Einstein physics lessons,
Speaker 2: and you've got a guy saying, hit ball, fine ball, hit.
Speaker 3: Ball, ceball. Let's just go this is good fun. You know, like,
Speaker 3: what do you think about it? Too much? It's not
Speaker 3: that hard and everything in between.
Speaker 2: So I think it's And they're both the best two
Speaker 2: golfers in the world, so it's how good a stage
Speaker 2: is that. I mean, it's amazing. I think too much
Speaker 2: gets talked about distance. I think distance is a big
Speaker 2: part of the conversation that needs to happen in golf.
Speaker 2: But I think it needs to be holistically thought about.
Speaker 2: Not no snap, little rule change here and there is
Speaker 2: going to do a whole lot of good for the game,
Speaker 2: but a holistic kind of approach from all angles and
Speaker 2: all thoughts, all parties and all thoughts, and just to
Speaker 2: keep these golf courses relevant. You know, it would be interesting.
Speaker 2: But I think it gets talked about too much. You know,
Speaker 2: I think the level of golf at the top is
Speaker 2: so fun to watch at the moment, they're amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: bring on twenty one. Let's get a little bit of
Speaker 2: normality back and travel and schedules and a few people
Speaker 2: in front of the golf courses and stuff. But the
Speaker 2: level of golf being played at the top of the
Speaker 2: game at the moment is higher now than it was
Speaker 2: this time last year.
Speaker 3: And that's amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's so many and it just seems
Speaker 1: like there's more and more young players. You know, there's
Speaker 1: just going to be floods of talent coming. Yeah. That
Speaker 1: happens with any sport. When the purses go up. With
Speaker 1: what Tiger did for the game, more athletes are going
Speaker 1: to come to the game, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we're learning about to teach the swing better.
Speaker 2: And I think this whole I mean we've talked about
Speaker 2: it before, but I think growing up trying to hit
Speaker 2: it as hard as you can is actually a pretty
Speaker 2: good way to find your swing.
Speaker 3: So we've got it.
Speaker 2: Used to be like those would be like constantly kind
Speaker 2: of searching their swing. You know, everyone's like giving guys
Speaker 2: tips on the range, and all the way through your career,
Speaker 2: you're always trying.
Speaker 3: To find it.
Speaker 2: Seems like they've got a much better sense of what
Speaker 2: they've They're more complete techniques at a young age. You know,
Speaker 2: they've flowing, they've had more information, better coaching, they're more
Speaker 2: complete golfers when they come out, they've sort of done
Speaker 2: a lot of All they need to do is pick
Speaker 2: up a bit of experience and off they go. Whereas
Speaker 2: before it was five or six years on tour before
Speaker 2: you kind of got your game up to the level.
Speaker 2: Now their games at the level are even a higher
Speaker 2: level than most of the pros when they come out,
Speaker 2: and it's amazing.
Speaker 3: It's young.
Speaker 2: It's definitely young in the average down and I think
Speaker 2: golf in the forties used to be a lot of
Speaker 2: guys sweet spots. It's going to be harder and harder
Speaker 2: for guys in their forties to compete because of the
Speaker 2: way the game is played. You know, twenty year olds
Speaker 2: are just stronger than forty year olds generally. Yeah, fast,
Speaker 2: fast is a better way to say. Yeah, And if
Speaker 2: that continually gets rewarded as much as it does, and
Speaker 2: there's there's so much to be gained in hitting it
Speaker 2: long way and fast, the kind of the Jerry Kelly,
Speaker 2: David Toms, Steve Stricker kind of in the forties, those
Speaker 2: great sort of twilights of PGA tour careers are going
Speaker 2: to be harder and harder to see because it's going.
Speaker 3: To be just harder to compete if you're not flying
Speaker 3: at three twenty.
Speaker 1: You know, I, you know, I thought of you when
Speaker 1: I was watching Live from U and I made Diaz
Speaker 1: had like a bunch of tidbits on DJ. He talked to,
Speaker 1: you know, like his his teacher when he was growing up,
Speaker 1: and the teacher when he was grown up is like
Speaker 1: one like lesson and message to DJ was always just
Speaker 1: hit as hard as you can.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that was a Daily's kind of model too, right,
Speaker 2: And I always loved Daily's action and he was always
Speaker 2: he made the sound and he had he was one
Speaker 2: of the ball strikers. It's a good like. Back in
Speaker 2: the day, it was like, oh, well, long hitters hit
Speaker 2: it sideways. You know, you've got to hit it on
Speaker 2: the fairway. You've got to like just be a sensible golfer.
Speaker 2: And that actually was that headspace of trying and hit
Speaker 2: the fairwell, that's actually a contral only headspace. You know,
Speaker 2: you're actually trying to control it, and that's what we
Speaker 2: don't want it I mean the great golf swings are
Speaker 2: letting go of control, right, just just being relaxed and free.
Speaker 2: And that's what happens when you start trying to hit
Speaker 2: the ball a long way. You get a bit more
Speaker 2: free because you if you worry, if you don't worry
Speaker 2: about where it goes, it actually goes straighter.
Speaker 3: Don't worry.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: That's the biggest, the the ironic kind of frustration with golf.
Speaker 2: Really, the real fundamental issue that everybody struggles with is
Speaker 2: control versus letting it happen, you know, and then letting
Speaker 2: it happen is where you want to be. But we
Speaker 2: want to hit it where, we want to hit it straight,
Speaker 2: and we want to hit a good shot so bad
Speaker 2: that we all lean towards that controlling kind of side,
Speaker 2: and that's where we get into all our paralysis by
Speaker 2: analysis headspace and messing with our heads dustn't and that
Speaker 2: model of just hitting it as hard as you can
Speaker 2: it kind of frees you up from that. You know.
Speaker 2: It's more just like I just want to smash it,
Speaker 2: and that's how your body wants to work, you know,
Speaker 2: with like take the governor off and just go, you know,
Speaker 2: and it freeze up and it goes where it wants
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 3: It's a great way to learn how you how to
Speaker 3: swing it.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's just going to continue to probably bring
Speaker 2: the average age of the best golfers in the world down,
Speaker 2: at least the average age of the PGA to it.
Speaker 3: The age is going to get less and less, I
Speaker 3: think for a bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he'll probably Yeah.
Speaker 2: There'll still be I mean, Dustin is still going to
Speaker 2: compete his fort I mean, Micholson is still one of
Speaker 2: the best players in the world of fifty, you know,
Speaker 2: and there's still going to be those outliers. But the
Speaker 2: average age I think that he used to be in
Speaker 2: the thirties. Guys sweet spots. I think the sweet spots
Speaker 2: will be in the twenties.
Speaker 4: Late twenties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, well, hey, thanks as always for
Speaker 1: coming on and we'll talk to you maybe in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one.
Speaker 4: Who knows next.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely