WEBVTT - Geoff Ogilvy - 2020 Masters

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<v Speaker 1>Today's episode is with our regular guest, former PGA Tour Champion,

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<v Speaker 1>US Open Champion Jeff Ogilvie. Jeff comes on to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the twenty twenty Masters, tell us some good Dustin

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson's stories, talk about Rory and a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 1>So what of our favorite guests and thanks as always

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<v Speaker 1>for listening and I hope you enjoy this episode with

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Ogilvie. I miss the Green, for example, I'm already

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<v Speaker 1>upset when I find my ball in the bunker, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I find my ball in a fried egg

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<v Speaker 2>Friday egg, the dreaded Frida egg, Frida egg, Frida egg

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<v Speaker 2>bright egg, Frida.

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<v Speaker 1>Egg bride egg Lie, I'm about ready to run.

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<v Speaker 3>Off of the hump.

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<v Speaker 1>I was wondering did you like having balance, like where

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<v Speaker 1>you took time off or were you just all all

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<v Speaker 1>the time golf?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, later on I started taking time off, But early

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<v Speaker 2>days I was it was every day pretty much, and

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<v Speaker 2>if it wasn't if if if there was a day off,

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<v Speaker 2>it was really because I just couldn't get to the

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<v Speaker 2>golf course, Like Monday was just all travel or something

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<v Speaker 2>else going on. But early on, so the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like late twenties, I was every day and then gradually

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<v Speaker 2>have to have kids, and like life gets on, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a much more day. And I really as I went on,

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<v Speaker 2>I looked forward two weeks off and know it's been

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<v Speaker 2>two or three weeks off later in the year later on,

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<v Speaker 2>but early days it was every day. I think you

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<v Speaker 2>kind of have to. I think the older you get,

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<v Speaker 2>the longer time you can take off, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>get away with it. I'd be all right, And I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's short. When I was young, when I took

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<v Speaker 2>three days off, I felt like I set myself back

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks. But now if I take two weeks off,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I actually improve.

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<v Speaker 4>That's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when you're young, you feel like you have to

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<v Speaker 1>be there all the time or else, I wonder what

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<v Speaker 1>do you have you ever thought about what it is

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<v Speaker 1>that flips?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it just perspective or knowing your swing better that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's also your body just knows the move

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<v Speaker 2>better and it's had more experience and it's learnt more

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<v Speaker 2>and it's harder to unlearn. I think the more swings

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<v Speaker 2>you make and the more golf you play, it it's

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<v Speaker 2>like riding a bike, you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 2>the more you do it, I think it's harder.

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<v Speaker 3>You just you just retain it more. That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Get thirty years of golf under your belt, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>forget how to play in a month. You know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you've got three years of golf on your belt, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a month makes a difference, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So with DJ now I think, you know, obviously he

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<v Speaker 1>wins a ton, But the thing that I'm most impressed

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<v Speaker 1>by is how we wins.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, how.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just seemingly like blows out fields all the time

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<v Speaker 1>and they happen to be the best fields. Should that

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<v Speaker 1>count for something when we're looking at his career in totality,

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<v Speaker 1>is how he won? Should that factor in legacy?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a bit weird a legacy I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>All I know is he makes golf look easier than

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<v Speaker 2>anyone I've ever seen play golf anybody. Freddie made it

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<v Speaker 2>look really easy, you know. Louis makes it look easy.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes Rory makes it look pretty easy. But Dustin, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just there's just no real He's not expending any effort

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<v Speaker 2>to actually play such an aggressive game or something, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. It's just such a peaceful headspace

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<v Speaker 2>he gets in and it seems to be so easy

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<v Speaker 2>for him.

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<v Speaker 3>His legacy is sound.

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<v Speaker 2>I think whether he I don't know, whether he wins

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<v Speaker 2>big numbers, and I mean sure it makes the difference

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<v Speaker 2>with Tiger, right, I mean two like fifteen shots and

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<v Speaker 2>nine shots, two majors in a row. That certainly added

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<v Speaker 2>to his kind of mystique and legacy because he won

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<v Speaker 2>him by so far.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's got to be part of it.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess, yeah, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Shane Bacon pulled these stats of his last

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen wins, like over fifty percent of them, or by

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<v Speaker 1>five shots or more or three shots or more.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just something bad, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And these are wgc's playoff events, Like DJ doesn't rack

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<v Speaker 1>up the you know, John Deere classics.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he wins big tournaments, and it's kind of seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be like how he is when he does win.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like he's he gets to that sort of

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<v Speaker 2>point of freedom in his golf game where he just

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<v Speaker 2>gets better and better that week. Like he's playing better

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<v Speaker 2>on at the end than he was at the start.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like he just doesn't. It feel like he's

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<v Speaker 2>just hitting it harder and he's hitting it longer, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's so free, and it's like if he played eight rounds,

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<v Speaker 2>he'd win by twice as much. You know, it just

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<v Speaker 2>seems like he's he's improving on that course faster than

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<v Speaker 2>everyone else all the time. To me, he just seems

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<v Speaker 2>to play better every day, and that's a rare gift.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the freedom he plays with towards end of

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<v Speaker 2>the tim's amazing. How hard he can eat his driver.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like that final round where he has those

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<v Speaker 1>early bow geese. But then and then he's laying up

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<v Speaker 1>on par five's on the back nine frombo and he

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<v Speaker 1>still shoots the he ties the little round of the

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<v Speaker 1>day and it's like he was playing as conservatively as

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<v Speaker 1>he could.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he just can't help it. He just can't help it,

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<v Speaker 2>like he's just good, right. I mean, I've played I

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<v Speaker 2>played a fair bit with Dust and I played a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of practice rounds with him, I don't know, four

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<v Speaker 2>or five years ago the Masters pre the tournament, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like a week or so before, and I hadn't really

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<v Speaker 2>ever thought of him as an obvious guy to win there.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is probably twenty fifteen or something, or fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>or fifteen, playing practice ronds with him, and after two

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<v Speaker 2>days and he took all my money thirty six. I

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<v Speaker 2>was it was like, oh my god, how does this

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<v Speaker 2>guy not win this? Every single time? It was unbelievable,

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<v Speaker 2>how amazing he looked around there. So I've been behind

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<v Speaker 2>of picking him every year since, you know. And there

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<v Speaker 2>was a good one for him, I think, because it

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<v Speaker 2>even suited his game even more, being a little bit softer.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's so aggressive and free.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it was and the Greens weren't like at

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<v Speaker 2>their filthy scariest, you know, which if I get, I mean, he's.

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<v Speaker 3>A great part of but if he did have if.

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<v Speaker 2>There was an area of his game where he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a ten out of ten, he was only an eight

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<v Speaker 2>out of ten, it's his pudding, probably right, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was probably easier putting than true aditional Augusta putting.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe, I don't know, but what a golf Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>his headspace is so.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, so natural, and I'm glad that Rory came out

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a few guys coming out saying, hey, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more going on in there than you

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<v Speaker 2>guys think, because I've always thought that that he knows

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what he's doing.

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<v Speaker 3>He's just smart enough to not.

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<v Speaker 2>Worry about like all the details, you know, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>actually a gift and an intelligence to not chase the

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<v Speaker 2>rabbit hole. It tastes the technique down the rabbit hole.

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<v Speaker 2>And tried to all this that pretty much every other

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<v Speaker 2>tour player does the opposite. He's the opposite of Bryson,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he's the anti Bryson in the approach. They

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<v Speaker 2>both work hard, but Dustin just he feels it and

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<v Speaker 2>Bryson works it out, you know, works it out with

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<v Speaker 2>his brain. Dustin works it out with his body, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and his feel and it's just so it's incredible to

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<v Speaker 2>play with. It's quite intimidating to play with Dustin because

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<v Speaker 2>of how easy he makes it you know how strong

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<v Speaker 2>he isn't But then you talk to him and he's

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<v Speaker 2>like a little puppy dog. He's just nice to everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's zero ego about his approach. Really, relative to

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<v Speaker 2>the PGI Tour, it's quite hard to look down the

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<v Speaker 2>range and not bump into a few egos down the

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<v Speaker 2>range on the tour. He actually is probably the lowest

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<v Speaker 2>ego of all out there, which is so amazing considering

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<v Speaker 2>he's probably the best out there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you said when we did the pods last

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<v Speaker 1>year about how you have to play free at Augusta.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't play scared at Augusta or else I'll eat

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<v Speaker 1>your lunch, Like you have to swing free to take

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<v Speaker 1>on those shots. And then you think about the way,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is what gets overlooked is in a way

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<v Speaker 1>he's like the ultimate field player because of how little

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<v Speaker 1>he thinks about it. It's you know, for seventy two holes,

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<v Speaker 1>this tournament crew has been following DJ and on the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteenth hole, they're still shocked at how quick he hits

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<v Speaker 1>the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Yeah, it is, it's he's it's it seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be like almost I mean, I said anti Bryson,

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<v Speaker 2>if Bon Bryson, that sort of approach is like the

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<v Speaker 2>modern approach, like the no stone unturned, all the one percenters,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just look at every angle of the game and

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<v Speaker 2>how can we master every bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Dustin's like, oh, well, I just hit the.

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<v Speaker 2>Ball over there, and I do it better than you

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<v Speaker 2>come catch me, you know, And it's so refreshing and

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<v Speaker 2>it's so fun to watch. And I think most golfers

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<v Speaker 2>on tour I think it kind of envious at how

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<v Speaker 2>simple his approaches, but I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not without like working on something when he needs to.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when his wedge game was a bit off on him,

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<v Speaker 2>and Butcher and claud or whoever it was, got him

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<v Speaker 2>in front of it, and maybe even Keith from Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>Made they got in front of the track man to

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<v Speaker 2>work on his wedgey outages and he sharpened that up.

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<v Speaker 2>But he didn't go over the top and like kind

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<v Speaker 2>of show off with doing it. He just warmed up

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<v Speaker 2>for ten minutes every day, so how far he hit

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<v Speaker 2>his wedges and in a couple of months he was

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<v Speaker 2>a great wedge player. And then stops really doesn't overdo

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<v Speaker 2>it like most of us do. You know, we get

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<v Speaker 2>something that works to and then we just beat it

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<v Speaker 2>to death because it's good, and then we beat something

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<v Speaker 2>else to death, and before we know, we've got seven

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<v Speaker 2>little drills that we have to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do before we can even hit a shot. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>he doesn't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>He kind of fixes a little issue and then just

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<v Speaker 2>I've worked that out now and now I'll just play.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a really unique gift that he has,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess at not once it works, he doesn't mess

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<v Speaker 2>with the formula. You know, he's like, this is good,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go this way. And it's so it's so difficult

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<v Speaker 2>to do. That's the hardest thing to do in golf

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<v Speaker 2>is to not like tinker all the time, and he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem to.

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<v Speaker 1>There's something too that, like, you know, most players talk

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<v Speaker 1>about what they're working on, and for him, like he

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<v Speaker 1>never said, he's just like, oh, i'm hitting it good.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I'm playing well.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know, the fact that he gives so little

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<v Speaker 1>off it's almost like, I don't know, if you fail

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<v Speaker 1>NFL football. It's almost like Bill Belichick in a way

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<v Speaker 1>where Belichick, you know, gives Press and the other teams nothing.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, he's always it's like dost it.

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<v Speaker 1>I doubt he's intentionally doing it by but by never

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<v Speaker 1>you know, construing any difficulty with golf in his game,

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<v Speaker 1>he probably mentally, like you were saying, he makes it

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<v Speaker 1>look so easy, you know, he never says anything's hard, and.

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<v Speaker 4>It probably messes a little bit with the competitors.

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<v Speaker 3>I think a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's also how water off a duck's back. He

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<v Speaker 2>can be like I really I like the no ego thing.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't seem to care most of our reaction when

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<v Speaker 2>we play bad or most I think almost this is

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<v Speaker 2>human nature. When we hit a bad shot or we

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<v Speaker 2>play bad, we get angry. We're actually getting angry for

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else. Yeah, you know, we'll like I'm better than this.

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<v Speaker 2>See look if I get angry, they'll think I'm normally

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<v Speaker 2>better than this.

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<v Speaker 3>Or we're a little.

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<v Speaker 2>Embarrassed about the shot we hit and that's what flares

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<v Speaker 2>us up or something. He doesn't have any of that.

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<v Speaker 2>He shoots eighty and he walks off, of course, like

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<v Speaker 2>he shot sixty five. So he's going around there and

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<v Speaker 2>truly not concerned with what people think, not concerned whether

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<v Speaker 2>people think he's good or bad. So there's all that

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<v Speaker 2>weights off his shoulders and he just plays golf. If

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<v Speaker 2>he plays well, that's cool. If he doesn't play well,

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<v Speaker 2>oh well, I'll play well next time. You know. It's

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<v Speaker 2>such a peaceful way to play that that's intimidating to

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<v Speaker 2>be around someone. Why can't you just get annoyed about

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<v Speaker 2>something for a minute, you know, it's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do you remember like the first time you

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<v Speaker 1>played with him and like were you was there? Like

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<v Speaker 1>were you an of how he hit driver? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember early rounds with him versus you know, as you

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you played a decent amount with him, as

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<v Speaker 1>you became more familiar with him, like how your opinion

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<v Speaker 1>or perception of his game changed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I played with him the first I

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<v Speaker 2>played the first time played with him at Akron and

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<v Speaker 2>that was pretty close to what was his first year,

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<v Speaker 2>nine or something, yeah, eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Or nine, something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was his first year and he had

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<v Speaker 2>won Pebble earlier in the year. And I remember it

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<v Speaker 2>was right at the beginning of Twitter, And I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>normally remember this, but it was because I tweeted it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not on I have been on Twitter for years,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was kind of like the new kid in

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<v Speaker 2>the town on the block at the moment of Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>So every round you'd come off, you'd say, oh, something

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<v Speaker 2>about it, you know. But I remember coming off going, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>my gosh, I just played with Dustin Johnson. This guy

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be This guy's unbelievable. Like I could

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<v Speaker 2>not believe how well he hit it. Like when you

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<v Speaker 2>when you're kind of where I was out at that point,

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<v Speaker 2>sort of late twenties, top of the game, or not

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<v Speaker 2>on the top of the game, but up there in

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of top areas, you have a level of

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<v Speaker 2>kind of pre disrespect, you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 2>not disrespect, but.

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<v Speaker 1>You you know, you're you know, you're a batter. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're playing with You're better.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, yeah. And like I'm not saying I'm better human,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm better at this job than you are right now.

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<v Speaker 3>But and you're very rarely every now and then.

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<v Speaker 2>You come across like a Louis all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 2>comes from I remember I first played with him from Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh my god, who's this kid? You just

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<v Speaker 2>notice it's like this is different from the normal guy

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<v Speaker 2>I'll play with. And Dustin was the same after I

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<v Speaker 2>rememb after about nine holes, he pumped it up nine

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<v Speaker 2>nine at Akron's a really hard fair way to hit,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like having to skirt it up the left

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<v Speaker 2>semi raft to like keep it on the right edge

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<v Speaker 2>of the fairway, and he just flies the whole hill

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<v Speaker 2>and hits like a sand on in And I was

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<v Speaker 2>long ish and I was, as I said, I was

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<v Speaker 2>top ten in.

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<v Speaker 3>The world and playing with it, and I'm like, who

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<v Speaker 3>is this guy? Like unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't beat this guy if he starts playing like this.

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<v Speaker 2>And I only probably I had three or four you have.

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<v Speaker 2>I had three or four of them in my whole career,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was one of them. Louis was one of them,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was one of them, and Rory was one

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<v Speaker 2>of them. It's just like, wow, this is different from

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you just when you play with someone you know

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<v Speaker 1>this better than you You just know pretty quick out

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<v Speaker 1>a golf course, I feel like, you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>they It's like you can see him hit a shot

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<v Speaker 1>or something and you're like, I don't have that shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and like it's just it's even as much as

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<v Speaker 2>just the sound it makes when a guy hits it

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<v Speaker 2>because we stand on Raine. I mean, I've heard I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard myself hit it my whole life. I've heard good

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<v Speaker 2>players hit it every day he's down in there, and

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<v Speaker 2>you hear fifty guys hitting the ball all the time constantly,

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<v Speaker 2>So we're really tuned into the sound of a golf shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Every five or ten years, somebody comes along and hits

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<v Speaker 2>one that we've never heard it sound like that. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my goodness, and Dustin's one of them. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>Dustin and Rory, especially the noise it makes. It makes

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<v Speaker 2>you turn around, like when they're hitting their long clubs

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<v Speaker 2>because it's sat square and that's solid, and yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>But has there been any guy that has that sound

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, that hasn't had the career that you

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<v Speaker 1>thought they would. That you know, maybe that dust at

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<v Speaker 1>a Rory level, but who you were like, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy think is going to be really good, but

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<v Speaker 1>just hasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want you to throw anybody under the bus.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty rare, to be honest, usually. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>think also it's a self preservation confidence thing. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what all the other guys but at least I

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<v Speaker 2>can't speak to them.

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<v Speaker 3>But for me, I think I would always kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Not like just just feel like I'm better than them anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>just not look it was only if it was just

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<v Speaker 2>that amazing that it would like you would notice, because

0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.000
<v Speaker 2>it's sort of like to keep yourself confident. You can't think,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my, this guy's good, this guy's good, this guy's good,

0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.320
<v Speaker 2>this guy's good. Even though everyone's good, you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>have to keep a bit for yourself. Now I can

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<v Speaker 2>still beat that guy, I can say, But every now

0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.600
<v Speaker 2>and then someone comes along that you just you just

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<v Speaker 2>just a comedy like it's just that much better at

0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:30.080
<v Speaker 2>silly and those guys were it not really. I think

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<v Speaker 2>generally sound is a very telling thing, and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>tuned in thing that the average year that hasn't listened

0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.159
<v Speaker 2>to a million pros hit balls could hear it. But

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<v Speaker 2>there is very rarely a guy I can make that

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<v Speaker 2>sound that squash doesn't at least have a period where

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<v Speaker 2>he's just outrageously good. No, everyone who should have made it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's some who have like gone away made

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<v Speaker 2>it and then gone away quickly, and you can't work

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<v Speaker 2>it out why. But generally.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, someone who we know is great is usually great.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's the guy that had the worst sound that was

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<v Speaker 1>really good that, you know as a testament to they

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't. They didn't have the Christmas sound, but they

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<v Speaker 1>got every ounce out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, look, there's there's a whole

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<v Speaker 2>gabutt across that I've played with. I mean, Corey Pavin

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<v Speaker 2>was nuts at getting around the golf course. Now he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't make the sound, but he struck the ball really well,

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<v Speaker 2>but so.

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<v Speaker 3>Differently from every other pro.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, by the time I was playing with him,

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<v Speaker 2>he was hitting the low burning fades, life massive cuts,

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<v Speaker 2>like really low and like running up the fairway and

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<v Speaker 2>then he would do these really and he could he

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<v Speaker 2>could miss hit a lot of shots, but he would

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<v Speaker 2>always beat you. You know, that to me was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Furick is nuts. He strikes it really well, but it

0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.600
<v Speaker 2>doesn't hit very hard. But the game he plays and

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<v Speaker 2>when you watch him play, it's like incredible. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 2>been so many different versions. There's not many really who

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<v Speaker 2>have clanked the ball and unwell for a very long

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<v Speaker 2>period of time. There's some guys who just don't have

0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.399
<v Speaker 2>the strike I can't. I'm not going to throw anyone

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<v Speaker 2>on the I can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Think of anyone on the top.

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<v Speaker 2>Some look, some guys are gifted natural ball strikers, and

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<v Speaker 2>some guys are gifted natural around the greens, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean. And you know what, like Brad Faxon

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<v Speaker 2>is never going to make a sound like Rory McElroy

0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.399
<v Speaker 2>when he hits it. But Brad Faxon tells Rory how

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<v Speaker 2>to put you know, so they everyone has their spot, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Generally guys hit it pretty well. I think now.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was probably different back with woods and

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<v Speaker 2>balladas and blades and like the clubs back from the eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>when you pick them up now it's like no sweet

0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:39.879
<v Speaker 2>spot clubs.

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<v Speaker 3>There must have been a much.

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<v Speaker 2>More sort of variety of strikes and stuff with different equipment.

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<v Speaker 2>But now most guys are hitting it pretty square and solid.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of my favorite Corey Pavot memories is

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<v Speaker 1>that Travelers he got in the playoff with Bubba. They

0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.440
<v Speaker 1>got in the playoff and I think he hits Rewood

0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:04.200
<v Speaker 1>into the playoff full eighteen and Bubba had lovewedge.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, right, unbelievable, I mean, but that shots how

0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:10.040
<v Speaker 2>good he is he's got free with in and he's

0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.360
<v Speaker 2>in the playoff of a tournamentive It's nuts. How good

0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:13.680
<v Speaker 2>he was unbelievable.

0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:18.480
<v Speaker 1>It's a good juxtaposition in a way. Was was h

0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:23.600
<v Speaker 1>camp Smith and DJ. Like the way camp Smith was playing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he's kind of hitting it all over the place.

0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.280
<v Speaker 1>He was getting up and down out of trash cans.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it was incredible. You know he's hanging in there.

0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:35.080
<v Speaker 1>He really had a shot on the back nine if DJ,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, screwed anything up. But that was the thing

0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:42.040
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to you know, your President's Cup team showed out.

0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:45.040
<v Speaker 1>It was like the twenty nineteen President's Cup team leaderboard,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to know if you thought there that

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<v Speaker 1>Royal Melbourne it all helped him.

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<v Speaker 2>I think yeah, I think a few things helped them.

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<v Speaker 2>When we left that week, there would everyone I think,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least most people inside the locker room, had

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<v Speaker 2>the feeling that a lot of these boys are going

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<v Speaker 2>to kick on and they're going to get a lot

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<v Speaker 2>out of this.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we had a really good week.

0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Ernie Els was incredibly like good captain and I think

0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:11.720
<v Speaker 2>they all got a light out of spending a week

0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:15.080
<v Speaker 2>with Ernie and and at Roll Melbourne, so there was

0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.359
<v Speaker 2>a feeling and then COVID came and maybe there was

0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.240
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of momentum loss. But yes, I think

0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Roll Melbourne really helped him from the Masters, especially guys

0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:25.600
<v Speaker 2>like Answer and that who probably hadn't played stuff like

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<v Speaker 2>that before. And the confidence you get out of making

0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:31.960
<v Speaker 2>parts and hitting shots like they had to at the

0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:35.040
<v Speaker 2>President's Cup at Royal Melbourne a similar style shots at Augusta,

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it probably helped them. Yeah, I mean, look,

0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.119
<v Speaker 2>it's a great dress rehearsal. I mean a Royal Melbourne,

0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:45.280
<v Speaker 2>well it looks completely different. If you can navigate Roal Melbourne,

0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:47.439
<v Speaker 2>you can navigate Augusta, you know, by the way the

0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:49.200
<v Speaker 2>greens are and the way you have to approach them

0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:53.040
<v Speaker 2>and under the hole and angles and all that sort

0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:53.399
<v Speaker 2>of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm sure it really helped. Yeah, brilliant. It was

0:21:57.280 --> 0:21:58.359
<v Speaker 3>fun to see Cam Cams.

0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.639
<v Speaker 2>Cam's got that way about him that the closer you

0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:03.080
<v Speaker 2>get to the end of the tournament, the better he's

0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:05.639
<v Speaker 2>going to be. You know, really hard work, a great player,

0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:08.879
<v Speaker 2>but he's definitely got a nose for the poorty end

0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:11.600
<v Speaker 2>of the tournament. And you could see that with the

0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:13.679
<v Speaker 2>scramble and hanging on as they didn't matter what he

0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:14.000
<v Speaker 2>was doing.

0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:15.200
<v Speaker 3>He was going to hang in there, you know.

0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.119
<v Speaker 2>So I would he's got every chance to win anywhere.

0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:20.920
<v Speaker 2>When you see him sort of the way he was doing,

0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:24.000
<v Speaker 2>he was playing great. An answer played great. Yeah, It's Look,

0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:27.119
<v Speaker 2>the Masters has always had a lot of international stuff

0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:29.720
<v Speaker 2>up the top, and I think that's because it's quite unique.

0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:34.000
<v Speaker 2>It's a unique setup for American golf, so it's a

0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:36.520
<v Speaker 2>bit more democratic in that respect, you know. I think

0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:40.120
<v Speaker 2>it gives it's a little bit more of a longheaded

0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:42.520
<v Speaker 2>course now, but it generally gives everyone a chance and

0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:46.040
<v Speaker 2>if you can sort of adapt and learn with any experience,

0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:47.800
<v Speaker 2>you can pull experience from anywhere, and.

0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:49.920
<v Speaker 3>I think it helps you. Augusta.

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<v Speaker 2>I think generally international non Americans have often done really

0:22:53.800 --> 0:22:59.040
<v Speaker 2>well because their experience with a variety of conditions kind

0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:02.120
<v Speaker 2>of steps up. And I think Roll Melbourne is probably

0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:03.479
<v Speaker 2>one of the best examples of that.

0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:07.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the I think obviously DJ One he's one

0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:11.439
<v Speaker 1>of the longest players this year, but in general the

0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:15.000
<v Speaker 1>last few years, it hasn't been long players that have

0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:18.199
<v Speaker 1>been winning necessarily all the time, Like obviously you have

0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:20.760
<v Speaker 1>your Bubba's, but you have speeth. You got Danny Willet

0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:24.480
<v Speaker 1>wasn't necessarily long tiger at aage forty four, was not

0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:25.120
<v Speaker 1>a long hitter.

0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:25.560
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:29.480
<v Speaker 1>It's it's a course that is very you know, it

0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:32.239
<v Speaker 1>allows a lot of different styles, and I thought, you know,

0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:37.919
<v Speaker 1>with just Sung, Jay, DJ and and Cam, it showed

0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:43.040
<v Speaker 1>like three distinctly different types of players going going add

0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:44.480
<v Speaker 1>it down the stretch on Sunday.

0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, look, I think distance gets so much

0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:53.000
<v Speaker 2>attention now and it's a bit unfair to the rest

0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 2>of the game, you know, because the rest of the

0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:58.000
<v Speaker 2>game is always just as important, and getting the ball

0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:00.800
<v Speaker 2>in the hole is still the most important thing. I mean,

0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Bryson holds so many parts, Like it's not just how

0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:05.359
<v Speaker 2>if he hit it far and didn't hold any puts,

0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:07.600
<v Speaker 2>we wouldn't even like we would all be bagging his approach,

0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:09.200
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, we don't think it's wrong.

0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:14.040
<v Speaker 2>So and Augusta is always great at showing that, you know.

0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:16.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, distance is a massive advantage, but it's proportionate

0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:20.760
<v Speaker 2>to everything else, you know, proportionate to the short game

0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:22.520
<v Speaker 2>and strategy and leaving it where it is and leaving

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:26.280
<v Speaker 2>it under the hole and putting well. So yeah, again

0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:29.720
<v Speaker 2>playing at its absolute longest. I imagine last week with

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:33.120
<v Speaker 2>the way the Fairways were playing with all the rain. Yeah,

0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:35.719
<v Speaker 2>with Cam and Sung Jay and as you say, normal

0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:37.640
<v Speaker 2>sort of players and speeds had a great run there

0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:41.359
<v Speaker 2>a few years back. Length is important, but it's you

0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:44.040
<v Speaker 2>can overcome that if you do other stuff great there.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you use green reading books a lot when you played?

0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:50.199
<v Speaker 1>Did you start at the end or were you just

0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:51.800
<v Speaker 1>pretty much did you read the green?

0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:54.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I didn't really use green reading books.

0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:57.480
<v Speaker 2>I feel like the traditional kind of breaks to the

0:24:57.480 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 2>eleventh green kind of thing works really well at the mark.

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:01.280
<v Speaker 3>Just the red dot theory.

0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:03.240
<v Speaker 2>You know, in the local caddies, they've got red dots,

0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:06.400
<v Speaker 2>and that's kind of the general direction, and the ones

0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:08.000
<v Speaker 2>that are obvious break where they do, and the ones

0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:10.600
<v Speaker 2>that aren't obvious generally kind of drift towards that sort

0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:15.600
<v Speaker 2>of raised creek area. I didn't like reading a Green,

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I didn't like reading a Green with a percentage.

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:22.440
<v Speaker 3>I think I put one in a couple of times

0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:23.000
<v Speaker 3>and had to look.

0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:25.160
<v Speaker 2>But I found myself getting so intrenched in the book

0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:28.680
<v Speaker 2>and forgetting about the put and that's not I feel

0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:30.400
<v Speaker 2>like it gave me the right reads, but I didn't

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:34.119
<v Speaker 2>hit the right put reading it that way, Does that

0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:36.200
<v Speaker 2>make sense? I was a little detached from the feel

0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:37.800
<v Speaker 2>of it or something, so it didn't work for me.

0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:41.800
<v Speaker 2>So it wasn't my thing. But I've seen guys who

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.240
<v Speaker 2>weren't amazing green readers put them in and became great

0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:47.720
<v Speaker 2>green readers and improve their putting. So I'm not saying

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.199
<v Speaker 2>they're not great for the right guy. But for me,

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:53.080
<v Speaker 2>there weren't my thing. I was more under my feet,

0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:56.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of looked feel I needed to be connected to

0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 2>the feel of the put more than I needed to

0:25:57.880 --> 0:25:58.720
<v Speaker 2>know the exact break.

0:25:58.800 --> 0:25:59.840
<v Speaker 3>That makes sense or I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious with big tournaments. Did you ever have like

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:10.200
<v Speaker 1>a trouble getting started at any part of your career,

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:14.360
<v Speaker 1>like getting going in like the first round, like just

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:15.840
<v Speaker 1>getting off to a good start.

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 4>Is that ever?

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:21.960
<v Speaker 2>I think for me getting off to a good start,

0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:24.040
<v Speaker 2>if I'd hyped up the tournament a lot in my

0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:27.600
<v Speaker 2>mind and like really was excited about it, and like

0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:30.960
<v Speaker 2>it was it was almost too important.

0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 3>I'd made it too important in my mind.

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think starts were really difficult. It sounds kind

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 2>of negative, but I feel like almost on the first

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:43.600
<v Speaker 2>tee just sort of oh, well, I hope I play well.

0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:45.400
<v Speaker 2>This would be nice and like focus and like get

0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:47.439
<v Speaker 2>right into this, but we'll see what happens. Was a

0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:49.399
<v Speaker 2>better approach that I'm going to play well this week,

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:51.399
<v Speaker 2>you know? For me, I feel like when I was

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:53.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to play well this week six holes in,

0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:56.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm three over after six and scratching my head, going, well,

0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if I can get home Friday night or

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:01.960
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be Saturday morning, you know. But later

0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:05.600
<v Speaker 2>on or the ones just even earlier on, I did

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:08.800
<v Speaker 2>quite well at starts and majors and stuff when I

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 2>actually went there and I had no clue and I

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:13.840
<v Speaker 2>was just happy to be there, and I played well,

0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:15.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean, as opposed to later on sometimes

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:17.520
<v Speaker 2>when I was really ripped up and I'm going to

0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:19.480
<v Speaker 2>play well this week, That's when I found it hard.

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 2>So I'm guessing this is related to Rory.

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:27.639
<v Speaker 1>It's just yeah, I bet it's just puzzling, you know.

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:32.840
<v Speaker 1>It's uh, And I think like, and I'm not at

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:36.640
<v Speaker 1>all any sort of person that can talk to PGA tour,

0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:39.359
<v Speaker 1>but like I feel like when we'd have a state

0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:42.439
<v Speaker 1>tournament at a course I grew up playing, or my

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:46.800
<v Speaker 1>home course, or I always struggled at those, But if

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 1>it's somewhere else, like and I just wonder if something,

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, you look at what he's been doing in Majors,

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.439
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, if he just got rid of the

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 1>first eighteen holes, he'd have won three or four of

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:00.800
<v Speaker 1>them by now since his last one. And it's just

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's so and you every year you hear

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 1>him with a different mentality coming into the Masters. You know,

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 1>it's one year he's juggling, you know, one year he

0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 1>spent tons of time at Augusta, And you just wonder,

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 1>like it's it's gotta be because like sood, the same

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:19.920
<v Speaker 1>guy that played the first eighteen holes wasn't the same

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:21.280
<v Speaker 1>guy that played the next fifty four.

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 2>No, And that's pretty common the pattern, his pattern at

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:27.840
<v Speaker 2>the Master's the last couple of years, bad first round,

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:31.479
<v Speaker 2>like good barnstorming finish. That's quite a common pattern, you know.

0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:33.879
<v Speaker 2>And as you say, that seems to pop up with

0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:36.640
<v Speaker 2>home courses and courses where people everyone's like, this guy's

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 2>gonna win, for sure.

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:39.960
<v Speaker 3>He's a Master at this course, all of a sudden

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 3>he starts badly.

0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Well that's just that kind of amplifies how good Dustin's

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 2>mental state is. Yeah, you know, like it actually it means.

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 2>It means so much to Rory, and he's actually trying.

0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:56.440
<v Speaker 2>He's trying different things to play well there, you know,

0:28:56.480 --> 0:28:58.920
<v Speaker 2>which is admirable and it's ninety nine, but numbersent a

0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:00.959
<v Speaker 2>humans do that. You know, Oh that didn't. We'll try

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 2>a different approach. I'll juggle or ill go there more

0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 2>role and so it's it's a big expectation his head.

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Dustin's like, oh, the muster is next week. I hope

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 2>I play well, you know kind of thing. And he's

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 2>obviously working, but it's not like he's not working for it.

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:15.600
<v Speaker 2>But it's not the be all and end all. And

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:18.520
<v Speaker 2>I think he was sess Australians we saw it was

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 2>the shark.

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 3>Augusta.

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 2>It just became almost too important, you know, And f

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Rory it's partly self inflicted, but also like the world

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 2>around him inflicted. You gotta win this, you gotta win this,

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 2>you gota. We don't have to win this. The guy's

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:35.040
<v Speaker 2>at all time Hall of Fame legend. I mean what

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 2>a legend. He doesn't He's plays so good, it must

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 2>be so fun to play like that. He doesn't need it,

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 2>like Sam Snead never won the US Open, and Sam's

0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 2>needs going to it's fine, you know.

0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 3>So it's like it's.

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Fine, but obviously really really wants it. And that's a

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 2>hard thing. That's just a hard It's it's a difficult

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:58.440
<v Speaker 2>course when you don't even like it, not for the Masters,

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 2>but all of a sudden you put all that stuff up,

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 2>and all the ghosts of the Masters and all the

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 2>things that come with the fact that it's the mass,

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 2>is the loftim exemption, it's the grain jacket and all

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 2>that stuff.

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 3>It just adds so many layers of.

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Pressure if in your head winning is the only good

0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 2>result that week, you know.

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it's like what you saw Ernie's comments

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years ago, Like and you know, he

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 1>was a guy that was like a perfect example where oh,

0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:30.200
<v Speaker 1>he's going to win three of these things and he's

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 1>perfect and he goes out and shoots sight of what

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 1>was it, thirty three on the back nine with a

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 1>two shot lead and loses the fill you know, one

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:43.239
<v Speaker 1>year and it's just I think Rory's self awareness and

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 1>like everything that makes golf fans love him. I got

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 1>comments from people like why does every golf writer commentator

0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 1>love Rory so much? And it's because of his self

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:56.160
<v Speaker 1>awareness and like the way he speaks about the game

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 1>that everybody loves it, it loves you know him and

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 1>roots for him. Is that might get in his way

0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 1>of like, you know, the expectations just rise and he's

0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>too aware of everything that comes with it.

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:12.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thinking is certainly the enemy.

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 2>In golf, like overthinking, anythinking really, I mean, we all

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 2>just do better if we just see ball hit ball, right,

0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 2>that's the ideal. And Rory's not made up that way

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 2>neither am I We think about stuff and like he

0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:32.680
<v Speaker 2>he's very as you said, very aware of the whole situation,

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:35.680
<v Speaker 2>the whole state of the game, where he's at the

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 2>importance of everything. Very kind of Yeah, he's that guy

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 2>which is great in the media center, but maybe not

0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 2>so great at getting ready for the first round of

0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 2>a tournament you really really really really really want to win,

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, because he's clearly playing as well as Dustin

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 2>if you look at his last couple of rounds, he's

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 2>on pace form wise, I.

0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 4>Mean he sparted at dust In ten shots.

0:31:57.400 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 1>They played together DJ b Bay ten shots the first round,

0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 1>and then they finished the terms twenty hundred eleven under.

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:06.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, they played the same for the next fifty

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>four holes.

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the standard is is he's right there.

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Look, I played with Ernie a couple of times in

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 2>the first round, first two rounds at the Masters, when

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:17.400
<v Speaker 2>he'd been playing well on the lead up and all

0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:18.960
<v Speaker 2>that kind of when he was in the thing and

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 2>he started poorly too. And it's like, I think, what

0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:24.880
<v Speaker 2>happens to me at least when I had a lot

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 2>of expectations and I would go out and start, I

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 2>would be playing the same, but maybe I'd make a

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 2>bogie on the second hole. If I had high expectations

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:37.800
<v Speaker 2>that week, that bogie on the second hole would make

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 2>my head explode and in all the stress and all

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:41.760
<v Speaker 2>the worry. Whereas if I was just going in there

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 2>hoping to have a good tournament, if I bogged the

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 2>second I was like, oh, we'll get it back on

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:47.240
<v Speaker 2>the third. You know, it was like more or because

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't worried about anything in the future, I was

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 2>just like, all right, well, let's do Boggy too. Let's

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 2>Birdy the third third. Whereas I think, when you've got

0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 2>this expectation that you're going to win the tournament and

0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:57.760
<v Speaker 2>this is the only thing that matters, now, when you

0:32:57.800 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 2>bog you the second on Thursday, all of a sudden,

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 2>you freak out, you know, and you don't react well,

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 2>and now you're three over after six as opposed to

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 2>maybe just have a settling Birdy a couple of holes later.

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:09.200
<v Speaker 3>So it's it.

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Isn't really that he's not ready on the first team

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:13.400
<v Speaker 2>for me, if I was doing what he did, and

0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:15.239
<v Speaker 2>I never did it on that scale, But when I

0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 2>had a bad first round and came storming back, it

0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 2>was always because I was too attached to the end

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:23.120
<v Speaker 2>result of the tournament on Thursday or Friday and not

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 2>just on looking at what I was doing. And I

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:29.480
<v Speaker 2>think that's just a natural byproduct of wanting to win

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:31.640
<v Speaker 2>something so bad it's hard to get out of your head,

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, And you've been for six months every time

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 2>you're on the range, your whole life.

0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:37.880
<v Speaker 3>Basically you're on the range eating parts. This is about.

0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:39.920
<v Speaker 2>This is the aiden at the Masters, and this is

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 2>to win this. This is to win that when you

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 2>get there and you've got all this air pressured up

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 2>in the balloon and you're ready to go. As soon

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:49.520
<v Speaker 2>as you're like kind of there's a crack in the armor.

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 2>It all seems to fall apart when you're really really

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 2>amped up about the end result. For me, but when

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 2>I just went there with no expectations and I'll hit

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 2>it down the first and I'll see if I can

0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:00.960
<v Speaker 2>hit the fairway and then move on, it's but it is.

0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:03.360
<v Speaker 2>It's that one shot at a time, just be present.

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 2>And I think it's very difficult to do that with

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 2>such massive expectations and like kind of demand on yourself

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 2>to win the tournament, which we all kind of do.

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:14.759
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, that's good.

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 2>His challenge isn't learning how to play well enough or

0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 2>any theories for winning the Masters. His challenges to get

0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:21.320
<v Speaker 2>there and to just trade it like a normal tournament,

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 2>because if he plays his normal way, he's going to

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:23.759
<v Speaker 2>be there at the end.

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:24.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:27.400
<v Speaker 1>And then you think back to like DJ where this

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:31.360
<v Speaker 1>conversation started, and his mentality is think about what happened

0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:35.239
<v Speaker 1>to him at Chambers Bay, and like how ninety nine

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:38.839
<v Speaker 1>point nine percent of golfers would have reacted to that,

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, three plot the last hole, you would have

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:43.440
<v Speaker 1>seen him with their head in their hands, like he

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 1>just like walked off the budding green and was like

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 1>went on as Mary way seemingly. You know, I'm sure

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 1>he was busted up and the inside it's sub vain,

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 1>but from the outside it, you know, he seemingly just

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.279
<v Speaker 1>kind of moved on as soon as it was over.

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:04.719
<v Speaker 2>And people what bugs me is people have often had

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 2>that approach. It's gone on because Dozen doesn't think about

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:09.919
<v Speaker 2>anything though. He's just so simple, And I'm like, well, no,

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:14.800
<v Speaker 2>it's actually the only intelligent way to deal with what

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:17.120
<v Speaker 2>happened at Jambers Bay. After seventy two holes on that green,

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 2>those greens, that was going to happen to somebody, you know,

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it would just we'd all be missing two

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:23.359
<v Speaker 2>foots all week.

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:24.760
<v Speaker 3>So it wasn't like.

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:28.560
<v Speaker 2>This was like an easy sort of two part that

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 2>he had in a great situation. And it was like

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:33.320
<v Speaker 2>you were kind of that was that way he parted

0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 2>out on that last hole, was in every hole for

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 2>seventy holes that week, the way it was, and he

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:41.080
<v Speaker 2>just I think it's just it's actually the perspective he

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 2>shows he's busted up. You know, he's busted up because

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:47.840
<v Speaker 2>he really wants it. But it's like, well, it just

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:51.480
<v Speaker 2>wasn't my day. The Greens were like that, it's a shame,

0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 2>but it's not going to help me to dwell on this.

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:54.879
<v Speaker 3>Let's just move on.

0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't actually think he has that conversation in

0:35:56.960 --> 0:36:00.160
<v Speaker 2>his head, but that's how it happens. That's actually the

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:02.960
<v Speaker 2>best way to deal with anything, the way he deals

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 2>with it. And yet people kind of maybe think he's

0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:08.759
<v Speaker 2>lucky for that approach, but I don't know. I just

0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 2>think he's he's got this innate feeling that none of

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:16.279
<v Speaker 2>that is it's not really the end of the world

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:17.839
<v Speaker 2>when you three pup the last that year was open

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 2>because he knows he's great and Noil wins the more

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 2>down the road, you know, it's a great approach.

0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:25.320
<v Speaker 1>If you had to put it, like an over under

0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 1>on DJ's Majors, what he ends with, what would you?

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:35.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's got five runner ups, two wins, you know,

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:36.840
<v Speaker 1>a couple a handful of thirds.

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:43.400
<v Speaker 4>What's he get to when it's all said and done, as.

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:47.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's obviously an impossible thing, but it wouldn't

0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:49.280
<v Speaker 2>be surprising to see him get to five or six

0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:50.320
<v Speaker 2>I think probably.

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:55.239
<v Speaker 3>I mean mid thirties. Now you'd think seemingly.

0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:57.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know he's had the old injury here

0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:58.800
<v Speaker 2>and there, but they were kind of outlier injuries.

0:36:58.840 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 3>He hasn't had a patent.

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:04.880
<v Speaker 2>The pattern of his body's been pretty good, and he

0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:07.920
<v Speaker 2>doesn't he's clearly the best goal for it's physically he's

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 2>going to be competing for five or six years.

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:11.800
<v Speaker 3>And that's twenty or so chances.

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:14.920
<v Speaker 2>He's so good when he gets good, I mean, he

0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:17.840
<v Speaker 2>might not win anymore, but it wouldn't be surprising to

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 2>see him win five or six or seven, you know

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, because he could easily.

0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 3>Win two in a year.

0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:23.640
<v Speaker 2>The way like when he gets going, he gets going

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:25.279
<v Speaker 2>and it's almost no one beats him, and he just

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:31.080
<v Speaker 2>gets further away from the field and he seems that

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:33.439
<v Speaker 2>was the first time he'd started in a lead, right,

0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 2>like a proper lead in a major, and like just

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 2>he had the bit of a roughish front nine and

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 2>then just went away.

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:40.799
<v Speaker 3>I think you do that once.

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:44.440
<v Speaker 2>There's unbelievable confidence that he can get out of that.

0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:47.440
<v Speaker 2>And if you've got that confidence and belief with the

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 2>game compared to that game that he has. Wow, he

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:52.239
<v Speaker 2>could win and he could win at any court. There's

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 2>no course that he couldn't win at too, because he's

0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 2>got more than just long you know, he's got your shapes. Certain,

0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:01.439
<v Speaker 2>he's got a great sense for golf, like he knows.

0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 2>He plays a smart He play hits the right clubs

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:07.600
<v Speaker 2>and his strategy is always pretty sound and he doesn't

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 2>make bad decisions on the course.

0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 3>He can win anyway.

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's got five or six months and he

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:14.839
<v Speaker 2>gets to go back to the masses again with all

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:16.719
<v Speaker 2>that confidence. If he's inform, it'd be hard to bet

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:20.040
<v Speaker 2>against him. It'll be interesting. Yeah, I think he'll win

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 2>a few more though he's too good, not too.

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 1>The other thing, too, is that he's got he's gone

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 1>through every awful thing that can happen at a major,

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:32.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, on Sunday already, And I think there's value

0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:37.720
<v Speaker 1>to that, Like it's you saw it on on Sunday.

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 1>It's like he made those two bogies, Well that was

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:43.400
<v Speaker 1>like nothing comparative when he shot eighty at Pebble, you know,

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 1>and that was you know, nothing compared And it was

0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:49.920
<v Speaker 1>like I think that stuff when you have those near misses.

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 1>It builds so much character in you, in your golf,

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:57.000
<v Speaker 1>in your golf character, like it builds in your golf soul.

0:38:57.320 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, I don't think he's gonna have disastrous

0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Sundays as often in majors or maybe ever again, like

0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:07.359
<v Speaker 1>he's had all the bad luck and he has too.

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:09.439
<v Speaker 4>You know it's if.

0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 2>You yeah, I think I always found in those really

0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:16.879
<v Speaker 2>extreme Sunday rounds, those big rounds, the disaster comes from

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 2>panicking when you have like he tripled the second at

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Pebble right, and in your head just spins and you panic.

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:22.640
<v Speaker 3>A little bit.

0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Whereas if it was Thursday in the Pebble Beach pro

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:29.319
<v Speaker 2>am or something, he tripled the second hole and then

0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:30.800
<v Speaker 2>he'd go on and he'd make a few birdies. He

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:33.240
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't panic when he made the triple. If you annoyed,

0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't panic. And I think on Sundays you panic.

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:37.879
<v Speaker 2>But now, as you said, because he's been through that,

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:42.280
<v Speaker 2>been through an outrageously weird situation at Whistling Straits Chambers

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 2>Bay again, kind of a weird situation because on any

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 2>normal green he wouldn't have free part of that, you know,

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:48.800
<v Speaker 2>it was a crazy pin on a crazy surface.

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:52.480
<v Speaker 4>Olk, but even when he won was crazy.

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 3>I mean Oakmont.

0:39:54.200 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 2>He's been through Sunday kind of weird, crazy, un settling

0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:02.839
<v Speaker 2>things that have happened on Sundays so many times. As

0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 2>you said, he's like battle hardened now, like he's not

0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:06.240
<v Speaker 2>going to panic.

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:07.560
<v Speaker 3>He knows he can get it done.

0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:08.880
<v Speaker 2>He knows it's not the end of the world if

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:11.279
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't win, you know, because he's had actually some

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:13.200
<v Speaker 2>ones that really would make you think it's the end

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 2>of the world, two or three of them. It's like

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:16.759
<v Speaker 2>head in the hands, what sport am I going to

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:17.279
<v Speaker 2>play next?

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:17.759
<v Speaker 3>Sort of thing.

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:20.279
<v Speaker 2>But he's coming out the other side unscathed and got

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:20.759
<v Speaker 2>better for it.

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 3>Nothing.

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:23.839
<v Speaker 2>What's going to worry him on Sunday now, yeah nothing,

0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Nothing worse can happen that's already kind of happened. So

0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:30.520
<v Speaker 2>he's now there in that headspace with a better physical

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:34.319
<v Speaker 2>golf game than most people. And oh well, like good

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:37.359
<v Speaker 2>things happen, bad things happen, but not worried about bad

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:39.520
<v Speaker 2>things happening. Now he's got an advantage of everyone else

0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:41.799
<v Speaker 2>is now thinking that that bad things might happen, you know.

0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:45.680
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, battle hardened brilliant. Yeah, I think he could Sundays.

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:48.640
<v Speaker 2>He could just become the Sunday guy now like quickly.

0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in that he's got obviously, like the PGA is

0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:55.279
<v Speaker 1>like a Dustin Johnson set up tournament. You know, the

0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 1>US Open every year is a dust and you know,

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 1>now he's got the Basterds. Like in many ways, like

0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:04.360
<v Speaker 1>I've heard Major Champ you'd say that the Open is

0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 1>actually the easiest to win because if you get on

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:08.080
<v Speaker 1>the right side of the draw, it could be a

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:11.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, half field tournament, is like that might be

0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:13.880
<v Speaker 1>the hardest major for him to win is the Open.

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:16.760
<v Speaker 1>But even then he's got all the shots.

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:18.920
<v Speaker 3>He's so talented.

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think there's no it's an outrageous thing

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:25.920
<v Speaker 2>to say that anybody knows this for sure or whatever,

0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:28.359
<v Speaker 2>but really, pretty much every day everybody in the world

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 2>wakes up, he's the best golfer generally, you know, more

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:34.439
<v Speaker 2>often he's more often that day better than everyone else

0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:37.600
<v Speaker 2>on that go Everyone's there's some unbelievable golfers at the moment.

0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:38.920
<v Speaker 3>It always has been.

0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:44.040
<v Speaker 2>But like just Thomas and de Shambeau and Brooks and

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Webb Simpson and across the.

0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:47.440
<v Speaker 3>Bo I mean, there's this players playing well all.

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:50.000
<v Speaker 2>The time and I miss ten of them, right, but

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:53.800
<v Speaker 2>all things considered dust and seems to be the best

0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:56.200
<v Speaker 2>most of the time. You know, he's always playing the

0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:59.040
<v Speaker 2>best golf in the world.

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:02.920
<v Speaker 3>And that guy with a good headspace. Wow, I mean,

0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:03.640
<v Speaker 3>you're not Vietnam.

0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:06.839
<v Speaker 2>And the Open it opens a ball striking contest more

0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:08.400
<v Speaker 2>than it does a putting contest. You know, if the

0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Masters in the US Open become short game and putting

0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:14.280
<v Speaker 2>contests a little bit, the Open is usually it's truly

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 2>a ball strike, firm conditions, cross wins. The putting is

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:21.200
<v Speaker 2>generally flat and a bit easier. You know, you hold

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:23.080
<v Speaker 2>a few more fifteen twenty foot is at the Open,

0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:25.520
<v Speaker 2>but getting it to fifteen twenty foot is the real skill.

0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:28.359
<v Speaker 3>And a ball striker that good.

0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:32.880
<v Speaker 4>I mean yeah, I mean head close calls like Royal St. George's.

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:35.920
<v Speaker 4>He had a close call? Was it Saint Andrews?

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:39.359
<v Speaker 1>He was really close and then Zach Johnson took that one,

0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I think, But yeah, I mean is I would say

0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 1>that if you put it at three and a half,

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:50.000
<v Speaker 1>if you know, four or over or four or lass,

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:53.000
<v Speaker 1>it would be be an interesting bad I wonder what

0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:54.319
<v Speaker 1>Vegas would put it out.

0:42:55.200 --> 0:42:56.359
<v Speaker 3>Oh he's over under career.

0:42:56.480 --> 0:42:57.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. I mean, look because he could

0:42:57.840 --> 0:43:00.759
<v Speaker 2>win three next year and then all the sunny's at five,

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:02.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, or he might go two years.

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 3>He might. I mean when when Rory.

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Left wherever it was, this guy's going to win twenty majors,

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:13.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, But things happen and life gets in the way,

0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:17.719
<v Speaker 2>and there's always I mean, justin Thomas is surely going

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:19.640
<v Speaker 2>to break out and win a few more the way

0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 2>he seems to play in these big tournaments all the time.

0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:24.440
<v Speaker 2>And then there's Rory, and then Bryson, and then Brooks

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:26.799
<v Speaker 2>seems can win them for fun too, and then there's

0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:29.439
<v Speaker 2>Marakawa who's coming, and all these other guys. So it's

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:32.440
<v Speaker 2>it's not like he's going to have it free. No

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:35.200
<v Speaker 2>one's ever had it free. But it's getting There's more

0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:42.200
<v Speaker 2>and more guys playing like when when I first started,

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:45.239
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure it was even more like amplified back

0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:47.839
<v Speaker 2>in Jack's day and Hogan's day and Jones, I mean,

0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 2>all the way through, the best has always been way

0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:52.520
<v Speaker 2>better than everyone else, you know, And when I when

0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Tiger came out and in my time it was so

0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:58.239
<v Speaker 2>it was so far and away the best, and then

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Duval and then everybody else, you know what I mean

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:01.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing, Ernie.

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:02.920
<v Speaker 3>But now there's.

0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Twenty five guys who like play at that level. That's

0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:11.600
<v Speaker 2>such a high level that it's going to be hard

0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:13.560
<v Speaker 2>at a mass. It's at least at the moment. And

0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:15.279
<v Speaker 2>we said this before Tiger came out, that no one's

0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:17.719
<v Speaker 2>eving going to win eighteen or ever, no chance because

0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:19.719
<v Speaker 2>there's too many good players. But it's even amplified now.

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:22.399
<v Speaker 2>There's so many good players, so it wouldn't be weird

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:24.960
<v Speaker 2>if you didn't win any and it wouldn't be weird

0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:28.880
<v Speaker 2>if you won another five. Like it's yeah, I'd like

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:32.120
<v Speaker 2>to I'd like to own a steak in Dustin's golf future.

0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Though you should have tried to buy in an Akron

0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 1>when you played the first time with.

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:39.160
<v Speaker 3>Them, absolutely by five percent.

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:45.480
<v Speaker 4>Of what about a good a shrewd investment that.

0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:54.200
<v Speaker 1>So before the week Can'tley says, this golf course changes

0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:57.719
<v Speaker 1>every year. They tweaked the eighteenth green two years ago,

0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and they tweaked the fifth green last year. Maybe in

0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.560
<v Speaker 1>a weird way. I know more about the fifth hole

0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:06.239
<v Speaker 1>than Jack Nicholas knows about the fifth hole, and he

0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:08.919
<v Speaker 1>talked this was a question about like.

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 4>Do you.

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Know lean on past champions players that I've had success here?

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:16.799
<v Speaker 1>And he kind of was like, you know what, I

0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:19.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of just go do my own thing. So do

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:23.640
<v Speaker 1>you think the value of experience that Augusta National will

0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:30.040
<v Speaker 1>decrease over time as technology continues to advance, or is

0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:33.759
<v Speaker 1>Augusta unique enough that it'll always require years of.

0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:37.880
<v Speaker 4>Experience to continually succeed.

0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:43.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it'll always require it, you know, Like

0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:47.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's a prerequisite. Is I don't think

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:51.800
<v Speaker 2>you need experience to play well there, but it certainly helps.

0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:54.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean, look at Langa. You know, if you had.

0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:58.680
<v Speaker 2>That field around the Houston Open, Lang is not making

0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:01.759
<v Speaker 2>the cut, you know what I mean, Or Tory Pine

0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:03.399
<v Speaker 2>South or something, you know what I mean, or most

0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:05.040
<v Speaker 2>of the place we there's just no way. But you

0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:08.520
<v Speaker 2>get to a really long, soft, toasted Augusta there's Langer

0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:11.359
<v Speaker 2>has probably knows how to play that course better than

0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:13.640
<v Speaker 2>anyone in that field, you know, because he's played it

0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:15.840
<v Speaker 2>more times than any world And it really is always

0:46:15.880 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 2>going to be that place. I'm not saying Patrick Patrick

0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:20.720
<v Speaker 2>can approach it anyway once and he's a very cerebral

0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:22.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of guy, and he's a smart goal guy and

0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:25.440
<v Speaker 2>he works it out. But yeah, and they do it

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:29.960
<v Speaker 2>just they've been adjusting stuff forever, right, every year we

0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 2>get there, it's like, oh, they've done something to eleven,

0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 2>or they've done something to the fifth green, or there's

0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:36.759
<v Speaker 2>there's something different here, and.

0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 3>It's constantly evolving.

0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:46.279
<v Speaker 2>But generally it's not really Augusta about one little.

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:47.279
<v Speaker 3>Specific thing here or there.

0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:49.920
<v Speaker 2>It's just the more times you hit it in the

0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:56.600
<v Speaker 2>wrong spot there you learn how to play the court.

0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:58.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, when you're in the right spot, you just think,

0:46:58.080 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 2>oh this I was pretty easy. But it's not until

0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:01.319
<v Speaker 2>you hit it over the the first hole that you

0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:04.000
<v Speaker 2>just don't hit it there again and you don't miss

0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:05.800
<v Speaker 2>it back right for that pin or front left for

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:07.720
<v Speaker 2>that pin or ever. And it just takes a certain

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 2>number of rounds that you can't get out of a

0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:11.680
<v Speaker 2>green book or.

0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:14.320
<v Speaker 3>Just looking.

0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:18.200
<v Speaker 2>It just takes getting burnt a few times to kind

0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:21.279
<v Speaker 2>of find your your kind of line of charm around

0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:22.759
<v Speaker 2>the course, you know what I mean, Or ways to

0:47:22.760 --> 0:47:25.680
<v Speaker 2>play certain pins and how does it play when it's cold?

0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:26.120
<v Speaker 3>And windy.

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:27.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, how does it play when it's long and

0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:31.280
<v Speaker 2>soft here? Like does it play different in the afternoons?

0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:33.239
<v Speaker 2>Can you read this screen when this shadows on it

0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:35.600
<v Speaker 2>or not? Like it's such a There are so many

0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:41.520
<v Speaker 2>little intricacies and nuances to playing that course in that tournament.

0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:45.440
<v Speaker 2>That experience is always going to be an advantage. It's

0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:49.480
<v Speaker 2>always going to be it's always going to be an

0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:51.719
<v Speaker 2>advantage to have that information. I mean, you don't, as

0:47:51.719 --> 0:47:53.719
<v Speaker 2>I said, you don't need it, but it's an advantage.

0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:58.480
<v Speaker 2>So Patrick, he's probably going about it the right way

0:47:58.520 --> 0:48:00.759
<v Speaker 2>for him, but he'll be better than than he was

0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:02.680
<v Speaker 2>this time. Yeah, I think you better there at the

0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:05.120
<v Speaker 2>time after than he was that time. So that sort

0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:08.279
<v Speaker 2>of says that experience stats something. You know.

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Web Simpson had like a great quote after his first

0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:16.160
<v Speaker 1>round he played really well and last year, after you know,

0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 1>years of not playing great, he finished I think t

0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:21.960
<v Speaker 1>fifth last year and uh, they asked him, like, you know,

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:25.239
<v Speaker 1>what's with the you know, your recent really strong play here,

0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:27.840
<v Speaker 1>and he said, you know, I had to start giving

0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:31.120
<v Speaker 1>the golf course more respect, Like I can't show up

0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:33.440
<v Speaker 1>here and play it like I play a normal tour course.

0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Like there are places you just cannot hit the ball

0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:39.279
<v Speaker 1>and I have to leave myself in certain places, and

0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:41.840
<v Speaker 1>he's like in that, now I'm playing the golf course

0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 1>so much better, you know, I'm able to score. And

0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:47.680
<v Speaker 1>it's it's funny because, like I I almost got frustrated

0:48:47.719 --> 0:48:51.120
<v Speaker 1>with JT on like Saturday, that just the entire week,

0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Like I thought he was playing just as good as DJ,

0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:58.440
<v Speaker 1>and in a way he took chances and took things

0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:02.160
<v Speaker 1>on places where you're like, you know, Tiger would have

0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:05.799
<v Speaker 1>hit this shot here, you know, and and because of it,

0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:08.520
<v Speaker 1>he makes a six on you know, a hole that

0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:10.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, ins said of a four, and you know

0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:13.440
<v Speaker 1>it's like the guy that would have been you know,

0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:17.000
<v Speaker 1>we would have had DJJT Sunday if he you know,

0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:19.960
<v Speaker 1>just kind of takes care of business. It's just interesting

0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:22.520
<v Speaker 1>because like I thought about that Patrick Cantley quote all week,

0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:25.319
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, you see the guys longer and even

0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:28.719
<v Speaker 1>Tiger came up with no form whatsoever, and after the

0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:30.719
<v Speaker 1>first round he's there sixty eight.

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:35.759
<v Speaker 2>You know, it is it's that it's it's hard to

0:49:36.560 --> 0:49:40.840
<v Speaker 2>there are no golf courses that we play at least regularly.

0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:44.040
<v Speaker 3>That have so much to learn.

0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:47.520
<v Speaker 2>You know. It's a sense of timing too, because there's

0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:50.680
<v Speaker 2>two ways. I mean, Websines has learned to respect the

0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:53.440
<v Speaker 2>course a little bit. I had to learn to lose

0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:55.839
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of respect. At times I respected it

0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:58.280
<v Speaker 2>too much. Sometimes I went in too cautious and played

0:49:58.280 --> 0:50:01.600
<v Speaker 2>really and I played great, or week can finish fifteenth

0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:03.680
<v Speaker 2>because I just couldn't make enough birdies because I was

0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:07.799
<v Speaker 2>playing it too smart. And where I think the guys

0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:09.920
<v Speaker 2>who are really good at that place traditionally, I mean

0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:13.400
<v Speaker 2>guys like Jack and Tiger and Phil and Bubba, is

0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:15.920
<v Speaker 2>that they know when to play smart, but they also

0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:18.200
<v Speaker 2>have a sense of timing when you know what, I

0:50:18.280 --> 0:50:21.040
<v Speaker 2>have to take this shot on, you know, and they do,

0:50:22.880 --> 0:50:27.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, because you see the winners sometimes play outrageously aggressive.

0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:29.840
<v Speaker 3>Shots in fifteen and.

0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Stuff like that, and you just you just wouldn't do

0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:36.120
<v Speaker 2>it if you had respect for the shot. But every

0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:39.080
<v Speaker 2>now and then there's a sense of timing and and

0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:41.680
<v Speaker 2>recognition of you know what to win this week, there's

0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:43.439
<v Speaker 2>a few shots I have to take on and there's

0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:45.600
<v Speaker 2>a few shots that I really have to respect and

0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:47.719
<v Speaker 2>every day, and that's on every hole, I mean, one

0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:50.960
<v Speaker 2>day the seventh, you're hitting away from the hole. You're

0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:53.200
<v Speaker 2>hitting a conservative t shot away from the hole because

0:50:53.200 --> 0:50:55.120
<v Speaker 2>that's the way the pin is. And then the next

0:50:55.200 --> 0:50:57.680
<v Speaker 2>day you move the pin fifteen feet and you're trying

0:50:57.680 --> 0:50:59.040
<v Speaker 2>to smash up as far as you can and you're

0:50:59.040 --> 0:51:01.040
<v Speaker 2>really trying to stump and hold your second shot almost

0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:03.239
<v Speaker 2>like and they can change, but you have to have

0:51:03.320 --> 0:51:06.160
<v Speaker 2>experienced every hole with all the different pins in all

0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:09.719
<v Speaker 2>their different conditions to kind of have that sort of

0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:12.319
<v Speaker 2>database of knowledge about all these things, which ones you

0:51:12.320 --> 0:51:14.400
<v Speaker 2>can get away with going for and which ones you can't.

0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:16.799
<v Speaker 2>And I really do think that's just a trial by

0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:19.840
<v Speaker 2>error experienced thing. I mean, you can do it. First week,

0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Camp Smith played great. Was that it was his first one.

0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Right, I don't think it was Camp He finished t

0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:28.839
<v Speaker 1>fifth a couple of years ago there and then yeah,

0:51:28.840 --> 0:51:32.040
<v Speaker 1>that's right, top five Chambers.

0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:33.200
<v Speaker 3>And was it his first one?

0:51:33.560 --> 0:51:35.480
<v Speaker 4>It was? It was Sung Tase.

0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:37.560
<v Speaker 2>And Sun Jay's first one finished second. So it can

0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:45.440
<v Speaker 2>be done. But uh, it's just it's an advantage. As

0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:47.880
<v Speaker 2>I said, and as we talked about last year, the

0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:52.399
<v Speaker 2>big one of the biggest things about Augusta is the.

0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:52.839
<v Speaker 3>The freedom which you can swing it.

0:51:52.840 --> 0:51:57.440
<v Speaker 2>It makes you nervous because it's a nervous making place

0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:00.080
<v Speaker 2>and there's train wrecks everywhere. So you're hitting the sh

0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:03.080
<v Speaker 2>that you can only hit. You if you hit with

0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:06.759
<v Speaker 2>this free gay abandon almost you know just just what

0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:09.000
<v Speaker 2>happens happens, and that's when you hit your great shots,

0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:11.200
<v Speaker 2>when you don't really worry about where they go. But

0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:13.839
<v Speaker 2>the shot that you're having to take on there's all

0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:15.319
<v Speaker 2>sorts of bad things that can happen, but the.

0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:16.600
<v Speaker 3>Only way you can hit it is to free up.

0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:18.400
<v Speaker 2>So it does that to you. And I think the

0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:21.600
<v Speaker 2>more you know the course, the more you understand the

0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:23.560
<v Speaker 2>good and bad spots you can miss for each shot

0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:26.319
<v Speaker 2>and eats pin so it allows you to free up,

0:52:26.719 --> 0:52:29.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, because you understand what's up there in front

0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:32.160
<v Speaker 2>of you. But if you haven't sort of played that

0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:34.480
<v Speaker 2>shot with that pin in those conditions a few times,

0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:37.360
<v Speaker 2>you might not know that there's that actually short left

0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:40.879
<v Speaker 2>is actually good today, you know, or so you can

0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:43.120
<v Speaker 2>free swing it out to the left and you'll be okay.

0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:45.480
<v Speaker 2>It kind of that all makes sense. I just think

0:52:45.560 --> 0:52:49.040
<v Speaker 2>you just got to have a database of things that

0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:51.839
<v Speaker 2>you've done and people you've played with, and you play

0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:54.760
<v Speaker 2>practice rounds with guys who've played there before, and everyone's

0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:57.239
<v Speaker 2>always talking about everyone's got theories how to play every

0:52:57.239 --> 0:52:58.600
<v Speaker 2>hole who've played there a long time.

0:52:58.640 --> 0:52:59.759
<v Speaker 3>You know, the first you do this, and on the

0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:00.520
<v Speaker 3>second can you do this?

0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:02.920
<v Speaker 2>And you put all those theories together and you kind

0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:04.360
<v Speaker 2>of come up with your own picture of how you

0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:06.879
<v Speaker 2>want to play the course, but that takes some time. Well.

0:53:07.120 --> 0:53:09.759
<v Speaker 1>The other thing, too, is like you don't know there's

0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:11.920
<v Speaker 1>a terrible place until you get there one time.

0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:15.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, it looks quite simple, and like you

0:53:15.920 --> 0:53:18.600
<v Speaker 2>hit it there like two years ago on Thursday, and

0:53:18.600 --> 0:53:20.120
<v Speaker 2>you got it up and down easy, but they moved

0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:21.880
<v Speaker 2>this pin, sick, this is a six foot and a

0:53:21.880 --> 0:53:23.440
<v Speaker 2>different spot this pin, and now you're in the same

0:53:23.480 --> 0:53:25.040
<v Speaker 2>spot and you can't chip it on the green.

0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:30.799
<v Speaker 3>You know, Yeah, it really is. Some spots that.

0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Look really docile are really really scary, and some spots

0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:36.960
<v Speaker 2>that look really really scary really aren't that bad, you know.

0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:41.080
<v Speaker 1>And Someday Sunday just went around and you know, I

0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:43.719
<v Speaker 1>would say a Sunday Sunday he was getting up and

0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:45.960
<v Speaker 1>down all over the place, but he just went around

0:53:46.000 --> 0:53:47.960
<v Speaker 1>and flagged it all week, like he's in for a

0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:50.319
<v Speaker 1>dose reality when he doesn't have his a game and

0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:52.520
<v Speaker 1>he starts finding these weird places.

0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And also if you get a bit of a

0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:58.280
<v Speaker 2>bounce on the green, there's quite a lot of pins

0:53:58.320 --> 0:54:00.399
<v Speaker 2>there that you can get it close to most there,

0:54:00.440 --> 0:54:02.600
<v Speaker 2>but sometimes you have to land it twenty feet right

0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:04.680
<v Speaker 2>and drift it in or short or back it up

0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:09.240
<v Speaker 2>from the back slope or something. He's just so mechanically amazing,

0:54:11.160 --> 0:54:13.880
<v Speaker 2>doesn't miss a shot, has no weakness physically, and clearly

0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:17.880
<v Speaker 2>mentally he's pretty strong. It's hard to imagine he's not

0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:20.560
<v Speaker 2>going to be sort of knocking on the door for

0:54:20.600 --> 0:54:22.640
<v Speaker 2>those majors for quite a while if his game stays

0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:25.920
<v Speaker 2>the same, because he's talk about sound and like talk

0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:29.359
<v Speaker 2>about adulation of the driving range. I mean, everybody loves

0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:31.160
<v Speaker 2>sung Jay. I mean he's such a good player.

0:54:32.120 --> 0:54:34.400
<v Speaker 1>I just I hope he wins a major so he

0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:36.520
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to go through the military thing.

0:54:38.200 --> 0:54:39.319
<v Speaker 3>Oh does that get them out of it?

0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:43.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? It's only only major I think are Olympics.

0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:45.280
<v Speaker 3>So that would be grouse.

0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:47.839
<v Speaker 2>You would think, well, he'd certainly make the Olympics if

0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:48.960
<v Speaker 2>it happens next year.

0:54:49.040 --> 0:54:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Is it happening?

0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:51.759
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, but I think it's supposed to.

0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:53.480
<v Speaker 3>That would be great.

0:54:53.480 --> 0:54:56.680
<v Speaker 2>That's a strange thing. And when was it Sang Moon

0:54:56.760 --> 0:55:00.239
<v Speaker 2>had to go back? Yeah, I think about and then

0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:00.839
<v Speaker 2>he checked in.

0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:04.839
<v Speaker 4>Like a two year break, you know from the game.

0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:09.720
<v Speaker 1>It's just nuts, was it wasn't it? Uh wasn't uh Ernie.

0:55:09.920 --> 0:55:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Ernie was in the military early as a.

0:55:13.080 --> 0:55:15.160
<v Speaker 3>Kid, but I think so early days.

0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:18.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he went to some like his commander was

0:55:18.120 --> 0:55:20.760
<v Speaker 1>like a golf nutt and he ended up just teaching

0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:22.240
<v Speaker 1>lessons on the range or something.

0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:24.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you read that about all this.

0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:26.239
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't I mean, it wasn't like when Annie and

0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:27.759
<v Speaker 2>all that in the service at some point and I

0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:32.600
<v Speaker 2>would just giving golf lessons back in the day the serviceman.

0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:34.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, our boys needed and the boys need to

0:55:34.920 --> 0:55:36.879
<v Speaker 2>work on their golf game while they're helping us out,

0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:38.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean everyone needs to work their golf

0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:38.960
<v Speaker 2>game out.

0:55:39.560 --> 0:55:40.960
<v Speaker 4>Real quicks.

0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Lots of drama about the sixteenth hole moving the pin

0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:46.200
<v Speaker 1>back right for Sunday.

0:55:47.320 --> 0:55:48.160
<v Speaker 4>What do you think about it?

0:55:48.160 --> 0:55:53.200
<v Speaker 1>That moving away from the whole one flag on the left.

0:55:53.480 --> 0:55:56.719
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't really like to see it on a regular basis,

0:55:57.400 --> 0:55:59.560
<v Speaker 2>but there is they used to when Nicholas hold that

0:55:59.560 --> 0:56:01.000
<v Speaker 2>part and said five it was up there.

0:56:01.120 --> 0:56:04.080
<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't know how how long.

0:56:03.920 --> 0:56:07.600
<v Speaker 2>A period, like how long is it pre seventy five?

0:56:07.760 --> 0:56:10.239
<v Speaker 2>Was it ever down there in the hole one pin?

0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:10.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure?

0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Or is that was that a new thing at some

0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:14.640
<v Speaker 2>point like in the late seventies or eighties.

0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:19.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It is a very fun pin, and it's.

0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:21.400
<v Speaker 2>A holy one pin or it's not a holy one pin,

0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:21.839
<v Speaker 2>and they.

0:56:21.760 --> 0:56:22.400
<v Speaker 3>Know where it is.

0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:24.399
<v Speaker 2>There's a six, there's six inches in a different spot

0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:26.000
<v Speaker 2>that it goes in, and there's six inches away that

0:56:26.040 --> 0:56:26.680
<v Speaker 2>it will never go in.

0:56:26.800 --> 0:56:27.759
<v Speaker 3>You know, kind of thing.

0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:33.000
<v Speaker 2>I think because of the history of that pin in

0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:35.520
<v Speaker 2>the last thirty or forty years, I wouldn't like to

0:56:35.560 --> 0:56:40.399
<v Speaker 2>see it go away from it. But saying that, if

0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:43.799
<v Speaker 2>you if you make par on that top right, that's

0:56:43.800 --> 0:56:47.919
<v Speaker 2>probably one of the hardest pars on a par three.

0:56:48.000 --> 0:56:50.399
<v Speaker 2>That's a seven nine or six or eight on whatever

0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:52.960
<v Speaker 2>you want to call it, seven nine in the world,

0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:55.839
<v Speaker 2>that top right pin. I mean, you've got to hit

0:56:56.680 --> 0:56:59.880
<v Speaker 2>the highest of high quality shots to get it on

0:56:59.880 --> 0:57:02.160
<v Speaker 2>the top tier, and if you don't, it's a really

0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:04.120
<v Speaker 2>difficult two part because it's one you really got to

0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:06.200
<v Speaker 2>smash from the bottom of the hill, and you don't

0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:07.480
<v Speaker 2>want to smash it because you don't want to hit

0:57:07.480 --> 0:57:09.920
<v Speaker 2>a four feet past. You know, it's a great So

0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:14.839
<v Speaker 2>on a challenge perspective, I kind of like it. But

0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:17.840
<v Speaker 2>on an excitement perspective, I'd rather see people birdying and

0:57:17.880 --> 0:57:20.960
<v Speaker 2>holing ones and stuff on sixteen rather than all the

0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:23.640
<v Speaker 2>groans from three parts, you know, or balls drifting down

0:57:23.640 --> 0:57:25.200
<v Speaker 2>the hill and like missed puts and stuff.

0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:26.840
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know, I'd be fifty to fifty.

0:57:28.040 --> 0:57:29.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't put much stock in this.

0:57:31.160 --> 0:57:34.600
<v Speaker 1>There's there are people out there that say, hey, you know,

0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:39.320
<v Speaker 1>winning a Major without fans isn't real. I think you're

0:57:39.560 --> 0:57:41.680
<v Speaker 1>you beat the best, one of the best fields of

0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:44.920
<v Speaker 1>the world. You want an Augusta. It's a win to win.

0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Everybody played the same conditions. Do you put any stock

0:57:49.120 --> 0:57:51.240
<v Speaker 1>Do you think it's easier to win a Major without

0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:54.360
<v Speaker 1>fans or you know, is there any stock or at

0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:58.160
<v Speaker 1>all that would say that major wins without the fans

0:57:58.160 --> 0:58:00.000
<v Speaker 1>this year are diminished Major wins.

0:58:02.000 --> 0:58:05.840
<v Speaker 3>No, I wouldn't say diminished at all.

0:58:06.840 --> 0:58:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Everybody was playing under the same conditions, right, I mean

0:58:10.520 --> 0:58:12.800
<v Speaker 2>everybody was trying to win. Everybody standing there on the

0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:15.040
<v Speaker 2>first three last week really wanted to win the Masters.

0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:19.880
<v Speaker 2>They were there's a there's it's it's it's a different

0:58:19.920 --> 0:58:22.000
<v Speaker 2>environment that they're playing in, but the headspace is still

0:58:22.000 --> 0:58:24.400
<v Speaker 2>the same. This is the Masters, this is lifetime exemption,

0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:26.320
<v Speaker 2>this is the Green Jacket, this is all this stuff.

0:58:28.840 --> 0:58:34.120
<v Speaker 2>It's a different it's probably different challenges, or maybe there's

0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:37.280
<v Speaker 2>an element of challenge that's removed, but it's removed for everybody.

0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:39.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's not like it's Dustin's playing with no

0:58:40.080 --> 0:58:43.400
<v Speaker 2>crowd and a chill that environment. Everyone else has pandemonium.

0:58:43.440 --> 0:58:45.320
<v Speaker 2>It's the same for everybody across the board. So I

0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:47.640
<v Speaker 2>don't think it diminishes it in any way. It's probably

0:58:47.720 --> 0:58:52.160
<v Speaker 2>slightly a It might suit slightly different players here and

0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:56.600
<v Speaker 2>there when they're like that. You know, Wingfoot might have

0:58:56.600 --> 0:58:57.160
<v Speaker 2>been interesting.

0:58:57.200 --> 0:58:58.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean, New York.

0:58:57.880 --> 0:59:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Gets loud and boisterous and like kind of crazy later

0:59:01.040 --> 0:59:02.080
<v Speaker 2>on a Sunday afternoon.

0:59:02.320 --> 0:59:03.440
<v Speaker 3>Might have been different from Bryson.

0:59:03.520 --> 0:59:04.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but it still looked like he was

0:59:04.960 --> 0:59:06.520
<v Speaker 2>so far and away the best player in the field,

0:59:06.560 --> 0:59:09.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, and the same thing this week and Colin

0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:11.560
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to argue that was that was a pretty

0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:15.600
<v Speaker 2>exciting revd up atmosphere filled kind of back nine and finish,

0:59:16.240 --> 0:59:19.520
<v Speaker 2>even without too many people there. So I don't know,

0:59:19.640 --> 0:59:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't. I don't think it's diminished at all. Everyone's

0:59:21.560 --> 0:59:23.440
<v Speaker 2>playing under the same conditions, and I promise you every

0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:25.720
<v Speaker 2>player in the field is.

0:59:27.720 --> 0:59:29.680
<v Speaker 3>Thinking of it as the same you know.

0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he any with twenty twenty coming to an end,

0:59:34.480 --> 0:59:37.720
<v Speaker 1>I think everybody's excited for twenty twenty be over. But

0:59:38.760 --> 0:59:42.800
<v Speaker 1>any impressions on golf in twenty twenty, like what's happened?

0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Any any grand conclusions or thoughts in general on the year?

0:59:49.480 --> 0:59:50.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, no amazing.

0:59:50.960 --> 0:59:53.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean in Mark, when it all started coming down

0:59:53.600 --> 0:59:56.120
<v Speaker 2>and all the events started getting canceled and dropping like flies,

0:59:56.160 --> 0:59:59.360
<v Speaker 2>it's just like wow. It was kind of a hidden

0:59:59.440 --> 1:00:01.120
<v Speaker 2>for golf. I was like, what's going to happen here?

1:00:01.160 --> 1:00:02.800
<v Speaker 2>But all of a sudden, the PGA too, had an

1:00:02.960 --> 1:00:06.560
<v Speaker 2>unbelievable job when they went back to Colonial I remember,

1:00:06.600 --> 1:00:08.640
<v Speaker 2>they's know, what are they doing? This is so ridiculous,

1:00:08.720 --> 1:00:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Like everyone's going to get sick and all the players.

1:00:10.560 --> 1:00:13.160
<v Speaker 2>This is such a bad idea. But it went really

1:00:13.200 --> 1:00:14.800
<v Speaker 2>well and then they got better and better and better

1:00:14.840 --> 1:00:16.720
<v Speaker 2>at it, and they basically had it. We forget that

1:00:16.800 --> 1:00:18.560
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like a normal year, but it was really

1:00:18.640 --> 1:00:20.360
<v Speaker 2>it kind of had a normal tour year in the end,

1:00:20.480 --> 1:00:22.920
<v Speaker 2>or at least a money listed, some results, and we

1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:26.000
<v Speaker 2>got to watch some golf and the best players play.

1:00:26.120 --> 1:00:29.080
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, from that respect, the tour, at least

1:00:29.080 --> 1:00:31.320
<v Speaker 2>the PGA Tour did an unbelievable job.

1:00:32.840 --> 1:00:33.400
<v Speaker 3>And the level.

1:00:33.480 --> 1:00:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Bryson's obviously a story when he said he was going

1:00:36.640 --> 1:00:38.280
<v Speaker 2>to gain all this weight this time last year and

1:00:38.280 --> 1:00:39.560
<v Speaker 2>he's going to come out and hit it further. So

1:00:39.800 --> 1:00:41.960
<v Speaker 2>everyone rolls their eyes and go, okay, Bryson whatever. But

1:00:42.040 --> 1:00:43.960
<v Speaker 2>he came out he actually did it, and no one's

1:00:44.040 --> 1:00:47.080
<v Speaker 2>ever done that, no one's ever tried to gain distance

1:00:48.240 --> 1:00:49.960
<v Speaker 2>significantly and not lost the plot.

1:00:50.200 --> 1:00:54.600
<v Speaker 4>Right, He's Novi's gigged sixty pounds between Masters appearances.

1:00:55.280 --> 1:00:55.640
<v Speaker 3>You know what.

1:00:55.760 --> 1:00:58.680
<v Speaker 2>It's unbelievable and like how well he's done that, and

1:01:00.120 --> 1:01:02.000
<v Speaker 2>it's incredible and the effect that that's going to have

1:01:02.080 --> 1:01:03.880
<v Speaker 2>on the way young people approach the game. And then

1:01:04.280 --> 1:01:06.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of the anti Bryson approach, if you like, with

1:01:06.480 --> 1:01:10.120
<v Speaker 2>dust with dustin. I mean, he's not anti but it's

1:01:10.160 --> 1:01:13.320
<v Speaker 2>the opposite end of the spectrum that you've got bookends

1:01:13.360 --> 1:01:15.240
<v Speaker 2>about how to approach golf. You know, you've got no

1:01:15.360 --> 1:01:19.040
<v Speaker 2>stone unturned Bryson, you get like Albert Einstein physics lessons,

1:01:19.600 --> 1:01:22.120
<v Speaker 2>and you've got a guy saying, hit ball, fine ball, hit.

1:01:22.040 --> 1:01:24.680
<v Speaker 3>Ball, ceball. Let's just go this is good fun. You know, like,

1:01:24.880 --> 1:01:26.400
<v Speaker 3>what do you think about it? Too much? It's not

1:01:26.480 --> 1:01:29.800
<v Speaker 3>that hard and everything in between.

1:01:29.920 --> 1:01:32.240
<v Speaker 2>So I think it's And they're both the best two

1:01:32.280 --> 1:01:35.080
<v Speaker 2>golfers in the world, so it's how good a stage

1:01:35.160 --> 1:01:36.920
<v Speaker 2>is that. I mean, it's amazing. I think too much

1:01:36.960 --> 1:01:40.600
<v Speaker 2>gets talked about distance. I think distance is a big

1:01:40.720 --> 1:01:43.760
<v Speaker 2>part of the conversation that needs to happen in golf.

1:01:43.920 --> 1:01:47.840
<v Speaker 2>But I think it needs to be holistically thought about.

1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Not no snap, little rule change here and there is

1:01:52.200 --> 1:01:54.919
<v Speaker 2>going to do a whole lot of good for the game,

1:01:54.960 --> 1:01:57.320
<v Speaker 2>but a holistic kind of approach from all angles and

1:01:57.440 --> 1:02:00.880
<v Speaker 2>all thoughts, all parties and all thoughts, and just to

1:02:01.000 --> 1:02:03.920
<v Speaker 2>keep these golf courses relevant. You know, it would be interesting.

1:02:04.120 --> 1:02:06.600
<v Speaker 2>But I think it gets talked about too much. You know,

1:02:06.720 --> 1:02:08.520
<v Speaker 2>I think the level of golf at the top is

1:02:08.560 --> 1:02:13.560
<v Speaker 2>so fun to watch at the moment, they're amazing. Yeah,

1:02:13.680 --> 1:02:15.440
<v Speaker 2>bring on twenty one. Let's get a little bit of

1:02:15.520 --> 1:02:19.320
<v Speaker 2>normality back and travel and schedules and a few people

1:02:19.400 --> 1:02:20.880
<v Speaker 2>in front of the golf courses and stuff. But the

1:02:21.000 --> 1:02:22.400
<v Speaker 2>level of golf being played at the top of the

1:02:22.440 --> 1:02:25.000
<v Speaker 2>game at the moment is higher now than it was

1:02:25.080 --> 1:02:25.880
<v Speaker 2>this time last year.

1:02:25.920 --> 1:02:26.640
<v Speaker 3>And that's amazing.

1:02:27.480 --> 1:02:27.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1:02:27.920 --> 1:02:31.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean there's so many and it just seems

1:02:31.160 --> 1:02:33.479
<v Speaker 1>like there's more and more young players. You know, there's

1:02:33.600 --> 1:02:37.080
<v Speaker 1>just going to be floods of talent coming. Yeah. That

1:02:37.200 --> 1:02:39.800
<v Speaker 1>happens with any sport. When the purses go up. With

1:02:40.120 --> 1:02:43.080
<v Speaker 1>what Tiger did for the game, more athletes are going

1:02:43.160 --> 1:02:44.240
<v Speaker 1>to come to the game, you know.

1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And we're learning about to teach the swing better.

1:02:47.880 --> 1:02:51.040
<v Speaker 2>And I think this whole I mean we've talked about

1:02:51.040 --> 1:02:53.040
<v Speaker 2>it before, but I think growing up trying to hit

1:02:53.080 --> 1:02:54.920
<v Speaker 2>it as hard as you can is actually a pretty

1:02:54.920 --> 1:02:56.160
<v Speaker 2>good way to find your swing.

1:02:56.680 --> 1:02:57.920
<v Speaker 3>So we've got it.

1:02:58.040 --> 1:03:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Used to be like those would be like constantly kind

1:03:01.640 --> 1:03:04.200
<v Speaker 2>of searching their swing. You know, everyone's like giving guys

1:03:04.280 --> 1:03:06.160
<v Speaker 2>tips on the range, and all the way through your career,

1:03:06.200 --> 1:03:06.920
<v Speaker 2>you're always trying.

1:03:06.760 --> 1:03:07.080
<v Speaker 3>To find it.

1:03:07.440 --> 1:03:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Seems like they've got a much better sense of what

1:03:10.320 --> 1:03:13.960
<v Speaker 2>they've They're more complete techniques at a young age. You know,

1:03:14.040 --> 1:03:17.680
<v Speaker 2>they've flowing, they've had more information, better coaching, they're more

1:03:17.720 --> 1:03:20.480
<v Speaker 2>complete golfers when they come out, they've sort of done

1:03:20.520 --> 1:03:21.720
<v Speaker 2>a lot of All they need to do is pick

1:03:21.800 --> 1:03:23.560
<v Speaker 2>up a bit of experience and off they go. Whereas

1:03:23.600 --> 1:03:26.200
<v Speaker 2>before it was five or six years on tour before

1:03:26.240 --> 1:03:28.400
<v Speaker 2>you kind of got your game up to the level.

1:03:28.440 --> 1:03:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Now their games at the level are even a higher

1:03:30.240 --> 1:03:31.920
<v Speaker 2>level than most of the pros when they come out,

1:03:33.440 --> 1:03:34.080
<v Speaker 2>and it's amazing.

1:03:34.160 --> 1:03:34.480
<v Speaker 3>It's young.

1:03:34.560 --> 1:03:36.520
<v Speaker 2>It's definitely young in the average down and I think

1:03:36.960 --> 1:03:38.360
<v Speaker 2>golf in the forties used to be a lot of

1:03:38.360 --> 1:03:40.440
<v Speaker 2>guys sweet spots. It's going to be harder and harder

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<v Speaker 2>for guys in their forties to compete because of the

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<v Speaker 2>way the game is played. You know, twenty year olds

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<v Speaker 2>are just stronger than forty year olds generally. Yeah, fast,

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<v Speaker 2>fast is a better way to say. Yeah, And if

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<v Speaker 2>that continually gets rewarded as much as it does, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's so much to be gained in hitting it

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<v Speaker 2>long way and fast, the kind of the Jerry Kelly,

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<v Speaker 2>David Toms, Steve Stricker kind of in the forties, those

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<v Speaker 2>great sort of twilights of PGA tour careers are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be harder and harder to see because it's going.

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<v Speaker 3>To be just harder to compete if you're not flying

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<v Speaker 3>at three twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I, you know, I thought of you when

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<v Speaker 1>I was watching Live from U and I made Diaz

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<v Speaker 1>had like a bunch of tidbits on DJ. He talked to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like his his teacher when he was growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>and the teacher when he was grown up is like

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<v Speaker 1>one like lesson and message to DJ was always just

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<v Speaker 1>hit as hard as you can.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well that was a Daily's kind of model too, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I always loved Daily's action and he was always

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<v Speaker 2>he made the sound and he had he was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the ball strikers. It's a good like. Back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day, it was like, oh, well, long hitters hit

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<v Speaker 2>it sideways. You know, you've got to hit it on

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<v Speaker 2>the fairway. You've got to like just be a sensible golfer.

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<v Speaker 2>And that actually was that headspace of trying and hit

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<v Speaker 2>the fairwell, that's actually a contral only headspace. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're actually trying to control it, and that's what we

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<v Speaker 2>don't want it I mean the great golf swings are

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<v Speaker 2>letting go of control, right, just just being relaxed and free.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what happens when you start trying to hit

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<v Speaker 2>the ball a long way. You get a bit more

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<v Speaker 2>free because you if you worry, if you don't worry

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<v Speaker 2>about where it goes, it actually goes straighter.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't worry.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the biggest, the the ironic kind of frustration with golf.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, the real fundamental issue that everybody struggles with is

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<v Speaker 2>control versus letting it happen, you know, and then letting

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<v Speaker 2>it happen is where you want to be. But we

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<v Speaker 2>want to hit it where, we want to hit it straight,

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<v Speaker 2>and we want to hit a good shot so bad

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<v Speaker 2>that we all lean towards that controlling kind of side,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's where we get into all our paralysis by

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<v Speaker 2>analysis headspace and messing with our heads dustn't and that

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<v Speaker 2>model of just hitting it as hard as you can

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of frees you up from that. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more just like I just want to smash it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's how your body wants to work, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with like take the governor off and just go, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and it freeze up and it goes where it wants

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<v Speaker 2>to go.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a great way to learn how you how to

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<v Speaker 3>swing it.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it's just going to continue to probably bring

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<v Speaker 2>the average age of the best golfers in the world down,

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<v Speaker 2>at least the average age of the PGA to it.

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<v Speaker 3>The age is going to get less and less, I

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<v Speaker 3>think for a bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, he'll probably Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>There'll still be I mean, Dustin is still going to

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<v Speaker 2>compete his fort I mean, Micholson is still one of

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<v Speaker 2>the best players in the world of fifty, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's still going to be those outliers. But the

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<v Speaker 2>average age I think that he used to be in

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<v Speaker 2>the thirties. Guys sweet spots. I think the sweet spots

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<v Speaker 2>will be in the twenties.

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<v Speaker 4>Late twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, all right, well, hey, thanks as always for

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<v Speaker 1>coming on and we'll talk to you maybe in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one.

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<v Speaker 4>Who knows next.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, absolutely