1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: What's up everybody. Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, and 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: my buddy Lance is with us today. Lance. How you doing, Poe. 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 3: I'm doing well, doing well. 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: Thanks for thanks for jumping in here. Bucky, A little 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 2: flight trouble. Yeah, you're like Matt Damon, like the Jimmy 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: Kimmel Show, just sitting back there in the green room 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: and then just hoping he's going to get called out 9 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: to that stage. It's not like you have anything else 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: going on, Lance, and like you're doing a radio show 11 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: or trying to watch five thousand guys and get all 12 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: the profiles done for the draft. 13 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: No, well, I take the radio the after Christmas. We 14 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: take that week off. So I came in here at 15 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: seven thirty this morning. I'm watching LSU defensive ends and 16 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: NC State defensive ends, Texas A and m defensive tackles. 17 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: So nice. 18 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that time. 19 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: I got to get about five done a day, so 20 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: it's a it's a little bit of a heavy workload, 21 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: but I'm still finding enough time. I don't know about you, 22 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: but I'm just not watching as many bowl games. I mean, 23 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: the playoffs yeah, collegeball playoff. I'm locked in the NFL 24 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: regular season playoffs. I'm locked in. I'm sad. My dad 25 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: came up as a college football coach. His very first 26 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: year of college football was a Cotton Bowl against Notre 27 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: Dame and the famous you know, chicken soup game for 28 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: Joe Montana and uh, you know we we were a 29 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: Cotton Bowl family for the Southwest Conference days. 30 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 3: I remember seeing Byron Leftwich at. 31 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: The where they carried him. 32 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the City Bowl. 33 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: But it's unfortunately, you know, with the way the college 34 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: football playoffs have expanded, I just I just don't and 35 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: with all the opt outs we see in college football 36 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: and the transfers, it just I just don't really focus 37 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: on bowl games anymore. 38 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: Not really. 39 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it to me, I almost. I know 40 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: the it's kind of a nice payoff. I have seen 41 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: some of the social media videos of some of the kids, 42 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: like they're at amusement parks and they're still getting to 43 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: do some cool stuff and get the little bowl gifts. 44 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: So I think it still can be a fun experience 45 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: for the kids that go do it, But in terms 46 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: of interest in the stadium that there's hardly anybody a 47 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: lot of these games. I don't. I can't imagine there's 48 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: a great interest in terms of watching it. It's not great. 49 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: But I was going to say, I almost like the 50 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: idea of, Hey, the end of the regular season is 51 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: the end of that twenty twenty five class. So this 52 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: the bowl games if you are going to be if 53 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: you're a senior, you can't, you can't play. It's going 54 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: to just force everybody, which a lot of it is. Anyways, 55 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: if you're a draftball type kid, they're not playing in 56 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: these bowl games. But let's make this a freshman, sophomore, 57 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: junior game. And it's basically just it's spring practice. It's 58 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: a it's a glorified it's the first spring practice for 59 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six seasons. It's basically it's not a. 60 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: Bad idea, And I know people look at at that. 61 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who still look at it 62 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: that way. I do think the number of teams are 63 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: going to opt out. I think it's going to continue 64 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: to increase teams who you know, may not want you 65 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: to see those players, the same way that the springball 66 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: is starting to away. 67 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: Yeah they don't, they don't play spring games. 68 00:02:55,639 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're you're you're what you're suggesting is actually 69 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: the nightmare for Matt Ruhle and everyone else who's complained 70 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: about spring games, because now you're putting all of them 71 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: on display, the freshmen and sophomores. 72 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it would work for the fans. I don't 73 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: know necessarily the programs would be in favor of it. 74 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: All right, Lance, it's time for Hot or Not, brought 75 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: to you by with Sabi Hot Cloud Storage. We do 76 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: this each and every week. It's our coordinator of the week, 77 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: and this week it's Vikings defensive coordinator Brian Flores, coming 78 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: off a dominant performance they had against the Detroit Lions. 79 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: Man the Lions, what a disappointment, only ten points in 80 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: this game. They are not going to the postseason. But 81 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: a couple of keynotes here on Flora's Vikings six takeaways 82 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: in that game. They're number one on the season and 83 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: pressure percentage at forty four point two. They're number three 84 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: and third down conversion rate at thirty six point two, 85 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: fewest tds allowed, the number three passing defense, number five 86 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: overall total defense, and tenth and scoring defense. So once 87 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: again he's been known has a reputation, you know, with 88 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: all the blitzing and all the exotics. One of the 89 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: best defensive minds football had a stint as the head 90 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: coach in Miami, which was brief. Didn't really get a 91 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: fair shake there in my opinion. But someone who's had 92 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: success everywhere else along the way, including with a little 93 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: background on the scouting side with the Patriots from four 94 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: to seven, I think he's going to have a very 95 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: good opportunity to get a head coaching job. I know 96 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell came out and said the other day they 97 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: would love to keep him and make it hard for 98 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: him to leave. But if he gets a head coaching opportunity, 99 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: I gotta imagine he's gone. 100 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 3: Yeah. 101 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: He's really good. I mean, he really puts offensive lines 102 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: in conflict. If you have any weaknesses in terms of 103 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: your protections, he exploits them. He's very specific in how 104 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: he exploits and who he exploits. 105 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: And I'm really a big fan. 106 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: I mean that's a team that you know, Minnesota's had 107 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: their own ups and downs offensively at the quarterback. 108 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 3: Position, you had Max Brosber just not really. 109 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: Ready to lead a team to win, and yet there 110 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: they were getting to win because the defense was that 111 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: good was that? So a lot of respect for Brian 112 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: Floor is a defensive coordinator. 113 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 3: I thought he did a pretty good job as head coach. 114 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 3: It really wasn't his coaching. 115 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: It was the personality conflict with the GM and potentially 116 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: the quarterback. Obviously the quarterback, you know, the word was 117 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: he really wanted Deshaun Watson and and it just there 118 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: was a clash between he and Tua and I just 119 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: don't think he ever bought into Tua. And that's tough 120 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: as a head coach. You don't want that to be 121 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: You certainly don't want it public. You don't want the 122 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: quarterback not to know you're not his camp. But Brian 123 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: Floor is also a really competitive guy who I think 124 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: he knows what he wants at all the positions, what 125 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: it takes to win. And I don't think he's ever 126 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: going to back off of being a guy who tells 127 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: you what he thinks. 128 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: And he's I mean, he's a New England guy. That's 129 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: kind of what they do. 130 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: So but the talent, the ability as a head coach, 131 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: it's completely there. 132 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: What about you know, opportunities for him when you look 133 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: at some of the head coaching openings, obviously there's a 134 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: history there with the Giants, you know which from that 135 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: last hiring cycle. To me, you've got the you've got 136 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: the call the Patriots West, but you've got Tom Brady 137 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 2: out there in Vegas. We'll see what happens with Pete 138 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 2: Carroll if he survives this year. There's a lot of 139 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: rumors that could be a one and done, but I 140 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 2: think he's going to get interviews. And I was making 141 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: this point the other day. I think there's when you 142 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: look at the candidates for this next coaching cycle, dominantly 143 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball. All the top candidates. 144 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: There aren't a lot of offensive guys that I get 145 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: a sense teams are super excited about. 146 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: Now. Those guys have been snapped up over the last 147 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: couple of years, so it is going to be defensive 148 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: oriented and we'll see which jobs come up. But I 149 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: think Raiders and Flores will be a great mix. I 150 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: really do with with some of the rush that. 151 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: They already have there. 152 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: Maybe he's a guy that can get Max Crosby. You know, 153 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: Max just wants to win. Maybe those two would would 154 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: would gel effectively because you don't want to lose a 155 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: Max Crosby. If you're out there with the Raiders. You 156 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: don't want that to become any more contentious than it 157 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: just recently became. 158 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: But you know, they're not going to win until they 159 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: get the quarterback position fixed. But finding the right guy 160 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 3: culturally probably matters. 161 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: But I think that's still you know, there's certain teams 162 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: that are culture that the culture needs to be created. 163 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: There's other teams where you just got to get the 164 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: roster right. And I think the Raiders probably have a 165 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: combination of both. But the roster, I mean, it just 166 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: needs a lot of work this offseason. 167 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see what what other gigs end up opening 168 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: up to. We'll find out, gosh, a week from now, 169 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: we'll know what openings are out there. That was this 170 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: week's Hot or Not segment, brought to you by with 171 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: Sabbi Hot cloud storage, store more and do more with 172 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: your data. Try them for free at withsaby dot com. Lance, 173 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: I want to hit you on the Texans. You're there, 174 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: You're around that team, You're in that city. I made 175 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: the case studying them last week getting ready for that game. 176 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: I thought it was the most violent football team I've 177 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: seen in a long time. I mean just all levels 178 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: and even from You know, you've got the Warriors that 179 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: everybody knows about on the edge with with Hunter and 180 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: will Anderson. I don't. And you know everybody knows about Stingling. 181 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: I think most people know how good last year is. 182 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: And you've seen Bullock and Petrie. To me, the thing 183 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: that I did not realizeuntil I really dug in and 184 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: study and was how could they're playing off the ball 185 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: at the linebacker position with a Zizel Shaier and with 186 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: Henry to to Oh the way he's playing as well. 187 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll share sometimes get hung up on blocks a 188 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: little bit when he sits back, and I made some 189 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: little things that he's kind of taken care of as 190 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: the season's gone on. But he's extraordinarily violent and the 191 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: head coach brought him in for a reason. Demiko had 192 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: him in San Francisco Tone Center, so we talk about culture. 193 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: Demiko wanted will Anderson badly, badly, so much so that. 194 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: When they made the decision as an organization to draft C. J. 195 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: Stroud number two, they had already dialed into the fact 196 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: they were going to trade their future, you know, their 197 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: other first round, picking a future first rounder because they 198 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: had to have Will Anderson and he is the culture 199 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: there on the defensive side of the ball. But you 200 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: tie him up with Jalen Petrie, who I knew you 201 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: were a big fan of coming out. Jalen Petrie is 202 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: the same kind of downhill monster. I mean, he hits 203 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 1: anything that moves to toe. Has been way better than 204 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: I had projected him coming out of college. I thought 205 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: he'd be a good backup who could slide in, but 206 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: he's He's become better than that Bulleck is. You know, 207 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: they got takeaway fiends on the back end. And then 208 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: you mentioned the violence in the front seven. My goodness. 209 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: So swarm is something Demko Ryan's brought to that. 210 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 2: Explain that. 211 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,239 Speaker 3: So there's an anacronym that goes with it, but basically 212 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 3: it is a rally. 213 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: It's literally everyone rallies to the ball at all times, 214 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: and you get there with bad intentions and there is 215 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: never a play where you should not be running full 216 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: speed to the football wherever you are on the field. 217 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: Swarm. 218 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: So it's a swarm mentality, and he considers it a 219 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: mentality of wiring where everything is about rally to the ball, 220 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: rally to the ball, swarm the football. But it also 221 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: includes being extremely physical every second of the snap, and 222 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: so when you talk about it being a violent team, 223 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: it's really extraordinary to see them hit every week, hit 224 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: everything all over the field. It's very reminiscent of those 225 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: early Ravens teams from the two thousands where just everybody 226 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: on that front seven was just laying people out. 227 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 3: And that's how the Texans play. Now. You know, Hunter 228 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: is more of a little bit more of a finesse guy. 229 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: Will Anderson is a two way fit rusher and really 230 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: good against the run as well. Their defensive tackles are 231 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: really more upfield tackles, but. 232 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: Toky guys freaking strong as an ox. 233 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: Now, let me tell you, he is playing really good football. 234 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: And that's another one that's that's that's played beyond expectations 235 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: when he got here. You know about you know, you 236 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: know about Sheldon Rankins and Mario Edwards and these guys 237 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: get up the field, but they've been very good at 238 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: swarming to the football too. So it's hard getting yards 239 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: after contact against the Texans because you got a secondary 240 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: tackler right there on top of you if you break 241 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: one tackle there on top of you after that. So 242 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: when you tie that with the takeaway unit, that they 243 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: have that also will hit you in the secondary. 244 00:10:58,840 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 3: So you got. 245 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: Rush, you got physicality against the run and after the 246 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: catch and after contact, and then you got guys taking 247 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: it away on the back end. It's why they have 248 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: such an elite defense, and frankly, that may be the 249 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: only reason they're in the playoffs is that elite defense, 250 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: because the offense is just below par. 251 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and swarm. Gavin put it in the chat here 252 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: a special work ethic and relentless mindset. So there you go. 253 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 3: There's what. 254 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, the problem I have with it, I don't like 255 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: mentioning that because it's really swarm. 256 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at that. Yeah, the e it's like 257 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 2: you're trying to make work ethic one word, it's not 258 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: two words. Yeah, But I get the intention of it, 259 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: and that's the way they play. And you know, I 260 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 2: went and pulled up my toe toe notes. So he 261 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 2: was coming out six zho oneh two twenty seven. He 262 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: ran four six to two. Linebacker, can shoot gaps, can 263 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 2: punch off blocks, as a firm tackler. Didn't think he 264 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: was an explosive striker, but very fluid and coverage, excellent 265 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 2: range and FBI and he's obviously the way he was 266 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: striking people the other day. He's been an explosive striker, 267 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 2: which is also on par with Kylen Bullock, who's another 268 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 2: one who could run all day long, had ball skills. 269 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: But Man notoriously got run over several times when he 270 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: was at USC And he's flying around smacking everybody, and 271 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: it reminds me of when I was in Baltimore. We 272 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: had that culture there where you could take a guy 273 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: who was maybe not quite as physical and you put 274 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: him in that environment with all those lions in that cage, 275 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: and you'd be surprised. You get some physicality at some 276 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 2: of these guys. 277 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's and that's really for me. DJ. 278 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: It's hard for me to unlock on my end without 279 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: knowing the players, without knowing you know, there's limitations when 280 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: we do evaluations for draft prospects. When you just watch tape. 281 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: You don't know the players, you don't know how they're 282 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: you don't know if it's in them or not. Because 283 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: some guys have it, you know, some guys make business decisions. 284 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: I was talking to a defensive back, you know, a 285 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: wide receiver coach this year about one of his draft 286 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: prospects pretty highly rated prospect, and he said, you know, 287 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: he was a great blocker in twenty four, just kind 288 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: of took it off in twenty five, was just. 289 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 3: Worried about getting rolled up on. 290 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: And you know, he said, but the dog mentality is 291 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: in there in twenty four. You just have to really 292 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: focus on twenty four. You know, sometime without that knowledge, 293 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: it's hard to project who's going to take that next step. 294 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: But there's no question that if you've got it in you, 295 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: it will, it can come out. If that's the team 296 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: expectation on the defensive side, there's other guys. 297 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 3: And you sent a note to me yesterday that the first. 298 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: Of all, first of all, pause, pause, I just sent 299 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: you a text. Is that the receiver, because that's correct? 300 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 2: Is there really. 301 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: That's him? Good? Good, longer in twenty four? 302 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, not about that life this year kind. 303 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: Of yeah, but the players his a receiver. Coach just said, 304 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: just scratch what you saw in twenty five. He had 305 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: people on his ears telling hey, don't get hurt, you know, 306 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: and that you know, especially now with the NIL and 307 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: with agents being involved so early, there's going to be 308 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: some of that as well. 309 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,359 Speaker 3: Where guys, you know, it's just the way it is 310 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: where guys will I didn't. 311 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: Mean to interrupt you there, Lance, but I just finished 312 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: watching that player that the day, and the way you 313 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: described him, I'm like, I think I know who he's 314 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 2: talking about. 315 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 3: That's exactly that's exactly who it is. 316 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: You also sent me a note yesterday about a player 317 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 1: and we were talking about tackling CJ. 318 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 2: Henderson moving put it out there. 319 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, well there you go. You know, there's two things. 320 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: If you're not a good tackler in college, you're probably not. 321 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: It's one thing to unleash more aggression, and you can't 322 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: get more aggressive and phil as a tackler, that's one 323 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: thing to me. 324 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 2: It's a willingness, though the willingness doesn't change, super willing 325 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 2: and like Kaylen Bullock, great example, he put his face 326 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: in there against Taj Spears I believe was ta J Spears. 327 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: He just ran him over, but he wasn't scared. 328 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: He was. 329 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: He went in there and put his face in the 330 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: fan and lost the fight. But there's other guys. CJ. 331 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: Henderson was kind of more willing to hang on blocks 332 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: and didn't really want to get involved much with that, and. 333 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: He early on tape, like you can see who wants 334 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: to get off the block. Like this kid Chris Johnson 335 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: from San Diego State cool, does he want to come 336 00:14:58,640 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: hit you? 337 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: I mean he really wait till you get a peek 338 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 3: at him. 339 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. 340 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 3: You're gonna really, You're gonna really love him. 341 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: Reminds me a little bit of Byron Murphy and Trent 342 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: McDuffie in terms of the way he plays, but that 343 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: same type of can't wait to get downhill and get 344 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: my nose bloody mentality. It's kind of rare with cornerbacks. 345 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: But you know, there's there's two areas where we talk 346 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: about willing. It's cornerbacks tackling, and it's also running backs 347 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: and pass pro. 348 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 3: Are you willing? If you're willing, then you can coach. 349 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: Up the rest of that. 350 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can work with the rest of that. 351 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: But I think the real concern moving forward for Texans 352 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: fans is something that comes up on the radio all 353 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: the time with me, is the lingering or the lurking 354 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: contract extension for a guy like CJ. Stroud, And we 355 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: always ask a question, are you winning because of a guy? 356 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 3: Are you winning with the guy? Are you winning in 357 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: spite of a guy? 358 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: And right now, there's a lot of concerns about if 359 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: the Texans are winning in spite of CJ. I mean, 360 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: you can say you're winning with him occasionally winning in 361 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: spite of him because the defense is so great, but 362 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: he's going to be on pace to make you know, 363 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: in two years probably make about sixty million of years. 364 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 3: What that number is going to end up? 365 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: And you know, do you want to pay a guy 366 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: who's see a guy sixty million a year who is 367 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: kind of win with occasionally went in spite of that's 368 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: that's a tough call. Well, it's actually become an easy 369 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: call in the NFL, but not a not a not 370 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: a smart when. 371 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: It seems Yeah, we'll see, that's gonna be a big 372 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: decision for them coming up. Let's take quick break and 373 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: we'll jump back in on kind of a thirty thousand 374 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: foot view of the twenty six draft right after this. 375 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: All right, Lance, So where I am in the process 376 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: right now. I've done a decent amount of the top 377 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 2: O lineman, I've done a decent amount of the top 378 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: D lineman, and then I've been working through receivers. So 379 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: that's kind of where I where I am early on 380 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: in the process. Here, so I can verify offensive line. 381 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: Defensive line seems like there's good depth. I don't know 382 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: there's premier premier guys there, but a lot of depth. 383 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: Receiver position again have remo PMO guys, but a lot 384 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: of depth. I've been able to by that with what 385 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: I've seen as far and then and the positions I 386 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 2: haven't done yet. Teams seem to think like there's you know, 387 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 2: there's a lot of starting corners in this draft. That's 388 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: kind of the that's kind of the highlight for for 389 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: where things are at this point in time and where 390 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: I am in the process. 391 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: What do you think, Yeah, I start, So I try 392 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: to start writing guys in late October to early November. 393 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: But to do that, you know, I need to have 394 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: seen them play good competition, and so I usually will 395 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: start with the old line. D line are kind of 396 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: like you I start trenches. Then I'll conversely, I'll use 397 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: running backs. Linebackers because they're kind of a mirror. Quarterbacks 398 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: are last for me. I don't get to quarterbacks until 399 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: I get all the tape. And right now I'm holding 400 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: off on Indiana players. I'm holding off on I'm watching. 401 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: I've watched and written the Miami guys. But there are 402 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: just certain house states. There's certain teams that I'm holding 403 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: off on because they're gonna get They're gonna get some 404 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: good games under their belts that I want to see 405 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: on tape. I think it's a deep there's some depth 406 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: to the offensive line group. It's not a great high end. 407 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: I don't think there's gonna be a lot of sixty 408 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: sevens at all. 409 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: And up I haven't given out. I haven't. I have 410 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 2: not given out one defensive line sixty fours as high 411 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 2: as I've gone on upgradings. 412 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 3: Same as me and I do think defensive line. I think. 413 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: I think there's a pretty deep pass rush. I actually 414 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: like some of the edge guys. I'm a big fan 415 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: of David Bailey out of Texas Tech. I think fulk 416 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: out of Auburn has a lot of upside waiting to 417 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: be on lot kind of rare size and link. But 418 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: you know, talking to a talking to a friend of 419 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: mine who has Auburn, he said, you know, he's smooth muscled. 420 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 3: He hasn't even really developed his body yet. 421 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: He's two hundred and eighty five pounds and hasn't even 422 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: developed yet physically. 423 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: Physically him on the first run through here. But I mean, yeah, conjection, 424 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 2: he's one of those. 425 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: And I'm willing to take certain guys with traits. And 426 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: it's probably my background, you know, learning under Chris Ballor, 427 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: but there's certain traits that I will guys I will 428 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: push up a little bit, especially if you're a rusher. 429 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: And I heard it, and I heard he's wired great, 430 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: you know, tremendously competitive, great, high character player. So you 431 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: know some some things like that as well. I like 432 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: Bain ruined Bain. He's just he's gonna have sub thirty 433 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: one inch arms, which is historically and talking to one team, 434 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: they said they ran a historical they ran a historical 435 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: index of his size profile and it doesn't work at 436 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: the edge, only works at three technique and he never 437 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: want to play three technique, so you know, you have 438 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: to work with that. 439 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 3: But he has elite power and I think a key Messidor. 440 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen him from my. 441 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 2: Know on the streets for him. I haven't done him yet, 442 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: but I have done go. You know, I know the 443 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: arm length thing, and I was told on that that 444 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: that's some young scouts to measuring in the spring from 445 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: this last cycle that a lot of Scouts are skeptical 446 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 2: about because a lot of these guys have short arms 447 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: and there's a lot of people not buying that. Let's 448 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: wait till they get to this. I got cha. 449 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 3: That's good intel, that's good knowledge to keep an eye 450 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 3: on it. 451 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: Don't kill a kid for arm length at this point 452 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 2: in time would be my take. But Ruben Bain, to me, 453 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 2: he just plays so dang hard. And you know, I 454 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: think that some of the names you hear talking to 455 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: other people, like, okay, is this is Melvin Ingram type. 456 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: He's got that kind of body and power. Brandon Graham 457 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 2: kind of plays that way. Brandon Graham's longer on the 458 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 2: edge than he is. But to me, my thing is, 459 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 2: I don't know if he wants to or not. By'ma 460 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: tell him, Hey, we get in the sub, you are 461 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 2: rushing over a guard and you're gonna make a lot 462 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: of money and you're gonna help us win a lot 463 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 2: of games. So I think that's where he's gonna have 464 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 2: his bread butter. 465 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 3: But I think he's Milton Williams. 466 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 2: You know. 467 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 3: He reminds me of Milton Williams coming out, and I 468 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 3: do think. 469 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna run quite like Uncle Mill. 470 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 3: Milton was a freaky test. But I do think that 471 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 3: he is. He's a sub rusher. 472 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: He's gonna be a based down It's gonna be a 473 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: base end that drops down. I think he can play 474 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: standing or sitting. I mean, he can play up or down. 475 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: That's not a problem for him. 476 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: But the kidded A and M's fun player. He's a 477 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: good player. Cash is how I gave him a sixty four. 478 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: So I was. I was a fan of his. 479 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: Game against the run. I'm early in watching him. His 480 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: rush is much better than his run. But that's where 481 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: you get paid. That's where you evaluate. Frankly, your eval 482 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: your evaluation as a rusher and as a as an 483 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: offensive tackle is how you handle it. 484 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: I kind of like guys that have jumped up to 485 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 2: you know, we've seen a pretty good track record of 486 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 2: those guys who've jumped up a level, you know, from 487 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 2: a from a lesser conference and taken on the challenge 488 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: of going to a bigger spot and played well. By 489 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 2: the way, Keldric Falk had two more sex than you 490 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: did this year. 491 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 3: The uh uh I actually had a couple that were 492 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 3: just clean up sacks. 493 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, but uh, it's gonna be fun jumping into 494 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: these guys. And we'll spend a lot of time as 495 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 2: we go forward going through position by position. We can 496 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 2: jump into the offensive line class we were talking about. 497 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: I will say this receiver group, Tate and and Lemon 498 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 2: for me, are more daddies who are ready to rock 499 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 2: and roll and coming and make an immediate impact and 500 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: play with There's just a there's a there's a warrior 501 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 2: mentality the way they both play. The toughness, it has 502 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 2: been kind of the secret ingredient. If you look at 503 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 2: the list of the top receivers you're in and you're 504 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 2: out in the NFL, you will see different sizes, you 505 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: will see different speeds, but almost to a man, if 506 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 2: you go back to the reports, you'll find toughness is 507 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: a key part of what they are. 508 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 3: Digging in on Casey concepts, you're going to see the 509 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 3: same thing. 510 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done him. I did him the other day. 511 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 2: He just drops. He just got a ton of drops, 512 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: got double digit drop right the last two years. But 513 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: he's explosive, explosive, and they love how tough he is. 514 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 2: And Jeremy Bernard is another one who's really good with 515 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 2: the ball in his hands and tough at Alabama. So 516 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 2: I know you're familiar with the lemon. 517 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 3: I have not written lemon yet. 518 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean the lemon is from the tree, right, 519 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 2: He's from the the Alms St. Brown, the JSN. Like 520 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 2: he's kind of in that lineage of receiver. My thing 521 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 2: that I wrote about him was just just just deploy 522 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: him like the Patriots the Lloyd Julian Edelman and watched 523 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: this guy catch a hundred plus balls every single year, 524 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 2: Like that's that's what he is. He's a tough, strong 525 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: slot receiver who's not afraid to work in the middle 526 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 2: of the fields, who's excellent after the catch, who's got strong, 527 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: strong hands to attack the ball and winning traffic. He 528 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: is a good player, man. 529 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 3: That's a secret. 530 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: I mean, ever since Cooper Cup, it seems like finding 531 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: and Cooper's more than Edelman, who wasn't as down you know, 532 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: didn't work it down the field as much, but obviously 533 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: was Tom's one of his pets. 534 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 2: He had two drops the whole season, and the two 535 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 2: drops when you this is why you got to trust 536 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 2: but verify on the numbers, because I'm like I watched 537 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,959 Speaker 2: all of his targets, and I don't remember writing anything 538 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: down on drop. So I went back, I'm like, what 539 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 2: are the drops? I looked at the videos. One it's 540 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 2: a toe tap on the sideline. It's a toe tap 541 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 2: on the sideline where he didn't he wasn't able to 542 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 2: complete it. And then the other one was it's literally 543 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,959 Speaker 2: the ball gets as soon as it gets to his hand, 544 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 2: it immediately gets pumped out from behind. It's like kind 545 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 2: of punched out. There's not one play on there with 546 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 2: a concentration drop or a ball clanging off his body. 547 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 3: Not one. There's really subjective. 548 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: I think PFF does a great job of working hard 549 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: and tracking this data, and it's very helpful in terms 550 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: of tying it with tape and shortcutting on our process. 551 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 3: But pressures, I mean there are some pressures pressures on there. Yeah, 552 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, pressures are so subjective. Some of 553 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 3: the drops have become really subjective. So yeah, that's why 554 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 3: you have to go watch it. 555 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: You know, you can see a player may have nine 556 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: sacks and you go watch and you say, well, two 557 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: of these would have been NFL sacks. The rest of 558 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: them are extended pockets and clean up sacks against players 559 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: who are not very good. 560 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 3: So you got to, like you said, you got to verify. 561 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 2: But this is my new thing. This is my new 562 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: thing this year. By the way, in terms of comps, 563 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 2: I'm going to start using more of the family comps. 564 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: So in other words, like this player, it's a one 565 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: v one comp No, no, to me, this is the family 566 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 2: of quarterbacks. I started doing that a little bit when 567 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 2: we were talking about Okay, No, I think it's it's 568 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: a collective. It's a collective. So when you look at 569 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 2: like rock Purty Rock per is in the tree, it's 570 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 2: the Joe Burrow tree. It traces all the way back 571 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 2: through like Joe Montana. Like that's like, there's that style 572 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 2: of quarterback doesn't necessarily have the huge, huge arm, but 573 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 2: is winning from the shoulders. 574 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 3: Up style of quarterback. 575 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: You don't mean really directly tied to offensive skiing or coach. 576 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 2: No, no, I'm saying this is a brand. This is 577 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: a brand. Like it's like if you can get a 578 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: Nike shoe. There's a lot of different kinds of Nike shoes, 579 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 2: but this is the Nike shoe. This is the this 580 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 2: is the kind. So that's like the when you're talking 581 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: about Lemon like, that's okay, Well that's in that he's 582 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: in the wing, in that family asn Abuca, Like, those 583 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: guys are kind of all in that same similar body type, 584 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 2: play style, mentality, Like that's that group of guy. 585 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. So that's what David Bailey for me was 586 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 3: in the type. 587 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. Yeah, but I think under the 588 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: kind of other guys who play that that style that way, 589 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 2: speed based, you know, juicy edge rushers. So yeah, it's 590 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: a it's a fun way to look at it. Denzel Boston, 591 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 2: by the way, from Washington is in the Courtland Sutton 592 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 2: wing of the Big Michael Wilson. Michael Wilson is like 593 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: a somewhat of a member of that wing as well. 594 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: So we kind of just we categorize those guys and families. 595 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: That's what we're doing this year. 596 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 3: I like that. I'll got to see if Dan Parr 597 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 3: will let me do that. 598 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: Let me put about No chance, that's too much he won't. 599 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: Dan's not going for that. But it's going to make 600 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 2: a great graphic for me on draft day. 601 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 3: So congratulations on you. 602 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 2: Always selfish, always selfish over here man, just selfish. Hey, Lance, 603 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 2: I appreciate you. Chipping in and filling in today. Man, 604 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: it was fun to kind of just put our toe, 605 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 2: dip our toe a little bit in the draft waters 606 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 2: a little bit. We're going to be there. Before you 607 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,719 Speaker 2: know it, Senior Bowl is going to be here. I'm excited. 608 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: I'm trying to I'm kind of in the same boat 609 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: you are. Words and if I can, you know, it's 610 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 2: it's like the move the six moniker, right, Let's just 611 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 2: get first down, three four, five guys every day, keep 612 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 2: them moving every day, every now and you're gonna have 613 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: a day. You can get a little bit more than that. 614 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: But I just got to keep keep working on them. 615 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: You see that little I've got it says twenty seven 616 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: point seven percent. That's where I am on my write ups. 617 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: I'm twenty seven point seven percent through. So I've got 618 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: it on my whiteboard in the background. I shade my 619 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: little it's just a. 620 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to do like the thermometer graft or 621 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 2: whatever we're do. 622 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 3: Know what I'm going to do, Yeah, let me know 623 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 3: what I get it. 624 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, so I'm just right now, I'm only writing 625 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and some shrine players that have some grades 626 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: on them. 627 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: That's what I'm. 628 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: Focusing on and now you you make my job harder 629 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: because you unveil the first mock draft. 630 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 2: I can't wait. 631 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 3: I have all those players all written up and done. 632 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: So the tackle out of Miami, I've been sitting there 633 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: with eighty percent of his notes done, just sitting and waiting. 634 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 3: I guess that's got to get done now. 635 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got him. 636 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 3: He's got to. 637 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: Get done because he's obviously going to be in your 638 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: first round, so I got to get those written up next. 639 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: So we still you still won't have that unleashed until 640 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: after the official everyone's officially in or official. 641 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, once that once that official date takes place, that's 642 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: usually the week of the Senior Bowl is when that 643 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: first one will come out. So a lot of guys 644 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 2: to watch between now and then. But looking forward, like 645 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: you said, these but playoff games will help to good competition. 646 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 2: All right, Lant's get back to work. I appreciate it, 647 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 2: appreciate shipping in there. He goes lands there line being 648 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 2: a real gentleman to jump on with us today. I 649 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 2: want to encourage you guys. Check out tomorrow's episode. We'll 650 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 2: have Chris Peterson from the Washington Boise State head coach, 651 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 2: we'll have him on to talk about the college football playoffs. 652 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 2: Before that conversation, we'll see you next time right here 653 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: on move sticks.