1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: You know what, I think it's time to do a podcast. 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: All right, I did it, Sophie. This is it could 3 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: happen here a podcast that's begun. We talk about how 4 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: things are falling apart, and occasionally, when we're feeling good, 5 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: how to maybe how to maybe put them back together 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: a little bit. But today we're more talking about the 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: growing consensus that things in the US culture wars are 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: heating up to an unacceptable level, and and maybe people 9 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: are going to start doing some non culture type wars 10 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: here in the near future, like a civil type war 11 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: here in the near future. Those of you who know me, which, 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: why would you be listening to this podcast if you 13 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: if you don't know, like the earlier seasons of this 14 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: exact show, uh know that I talk a lot about 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: the potential of a mass civil conflict in the United States. 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: I've been kind of trying to warn about it for 17 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: a while, and today we're gonna do an episode about 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: some of the more mainstream sources that have started to 19 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: kind of accept this as a possibility, um and get 20 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: concerned about it. Garrison, you've presented us with three articles, 21 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: one from NBC News, one from The Independent, and one 22 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: from the Brookings Institute, all kind of fiddling around this 23 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: idea that certain unnamed journalists have spent years discussing. So yeah, 24 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna get into it, Garrison. Yeah, so 25 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: it is the past. The past few months we have 26 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: well I've I've been watching to see how how this 27 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: idea has been slowly kind of gaining in popularity. Of course, 28 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: there was like a spike in this around like January six, 29 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: but then stuff kind of settled down, and now we're 30 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: kind of seeing it come back up against We had 31 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: these these three pieces, all published within like a month 32 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: of each other, um, all kind of on the topic 33 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: and specifically, like the pieces themselves are definitely going coming 34 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: out this from a more like liberal perspective. But the 35 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: thing that made them interesting is that they did have 36 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: a decent number of like of of polls and uh 37 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: and and surveys in them based on like what who who, 38 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: what types of people think are like are thinking about 39 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: this and think it's more more of a possibility. One 40 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: survey published on November one, they've said eighteen percent of 41 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: Americans believe that quote unquote patriots might have to resort 42 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: to violence to quote save the country. Um, so, and 43 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: then that included a thirty percent of Republicans, um so, 44 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: but at eighteen percent of all of of of of 45 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: Americans in general republicans. Yeah, so using that very specifically 46 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: turn of phrase is definitely uh notable. And then another 47 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: pole from morelier in the year found that forty six 48 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: percent of people thought the country was somewhat or very 49 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: like to have another type of civil war. And that's 50 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: the plurality of the people pulled in that because only 51 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: like said unlikely, so the majority of people or not 52 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: the majority of people pulled, but like the most common 53 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: leaned on, yes it is, I think maybe we're going 54 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: to have us a war yeah, which is not great. 55 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: The one that uh NBC published included in their article 56 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: had but like thirty three percent of people saying no, 57 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: it's it's probably not gonna happen, kind of on the 58 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: maybe and and and and forty seven leaning on yeah 59 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: this maybe this is this is probably gonna happen at 60 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: some point soon. YEP. I mean a lot of a 61 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: lot a lot of what these articles are talking about 62 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: is just like kind of the increased increased threats against 63 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: like elected officials and then increased almost like militancy or 64 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: performative militancy of elected officials types of like like you know, 65 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: like a performatively bringing your gun into Congress and that 66 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: type of thing. And it lays out like a list 67 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: of a list of like of of of threats or 68 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: stuff enacted against governors, congressmen, all that kind of stuff 69 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: in in the past, in the past, like a year 70 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: year mainly. Yeah, one of the things I really disagree 71 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: about the Brookings because Brookings is the one who kind 72 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: of is analyzing that made that big poll and talking 73 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: about it, has a list of reasons why we might 74 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: have a civil war and a list of reasons why 75 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: it's unlikely. And one of the reasons why it's unlikely 76 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: is quote most of the organizations talking about civil war 77 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: or private not public entities. Um. And note that when 78 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: Southern States succeeded in eighteen sixty, they had police forces, 79 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: military organizations, and state sponsored Militia's the right of that now. Yeah, 80 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: Like there's a ton of signal posting from guys like 81 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan's uh Hawthorne um Gates bobert Um, a ton 82 00:04:54,640 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: of signal posting of gosar from elected Republican leaders, from governors, 83 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: from state level elected officials, and like regular street cops. Yeah, 84 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: and like regular street cops that are like civil war adjacent, um, 85 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: if not directly advocating for internet scene violence. I think 86 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: that that I don't think Brookings, I don't think they're 87 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: analysis is spot on with this, And I think there's 88 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: just one of everything that's interesting about that, which is 89 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: I think it was one of those are these our 90 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: sleps were arguing that it was like, well, the Pentagon's 91 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: not particularly civil like, well, the Pentagon doesn't want a 92 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: civil war, They're not gonna step into it. But but 93 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: I think it is also important to note that, like 94 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: like if you remember what happened last summer, there's a 95 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: lot of FEDS who are just like you know, like 96 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: when like yeah, so so you know, the the army 97 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: kind of doesn't want Trump to like send the army 98 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: against protesters, but like you know, like bor Tak for example, 99 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: like was just like absolutely hyped up to just like 100 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: absolutely just go disappear a bunch of people. And they 101 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: were very excited about that part. Yeah, Yeah, they love 102 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: they love this stuff, and it's like, yeah, the notion 103 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: that it's less likely because it doesn't have like formal 104 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: police backing is really silly because if you spend any 105 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: time monitoring these type of militia groups, you know that 106 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: a good portion of them are also members of some 107 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: type of law enforcement or have like family connections. To me, 108 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: there have been a bunch of cases of weapons being 109 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: stolen stolen from forts UM, particularly in like the West 110 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: Coast right now. Like, Yeah, there's a ton of connections 111 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: to the and a ton of like members in common. 112 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: It's like at the Capital riot that were like thirty 113 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: something active duty police officers involved. UM. To say that 114 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: there's not direct connections with law enforcement is nonsense. And 115 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: it's true that like our military leadership remains pretty much 116 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: a political and very like committed to being a political 117 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: in the sense that like in the within the like 118 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: US partisan context, right like they don't come in to 119 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: prop up the Democrats of the Republicans, and I don't 120 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,119 Speaker 1: think that's immediately likely. But police forces in the United 121 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: States are extremely politicized and have more than enough power 122 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: to carry out a counterinsurgency campaign nationwide. And as long 123 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: as the US military didn't step in, and why would they, like, 124 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: the cops are willing and able to do the civil 125 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: warring for the government. Why do you think they have 126 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: all those tanks? You know? So, yeah, like there is 127 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: there is a lot of backing um, at least performatively 128 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: among certain types of like write politicians and of course police. 129 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: But I think a lot of what the politicians are 130 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: trying to do is more like encourage regular folks or 131 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: people in like civilian militias to just start doing violence 132 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: against other elected leaders. That seems to be like like 133 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: like Bobart and that and those types aren't. They're not 134 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: like telling police to go do this. They're speaking to 135 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: like regular people. UM. And I think one on one 136 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: decent point, the actually the nbc PS actually puts out 137 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: and it says all of this kind of like a 138 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: divisive um and and more violent rhetoric and behavior displayed 139 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: by and towards some of our elected officials does not 140 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: necessarily mean another like civil war in terms of like 141 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: a military conduct contest between states. UM. It just does 142 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: not mean that it's inevitable or even probable or even 143 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: like probable. A more likely scenario is a turbulent era 144 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: of civil disturbances, armed confrontations, standoffs, threats, assassination attempts, and 145 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: other acts of political violence. In other words, one that's 146 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: a lot like the last two years of American history, 147 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: which I feel like, yeah, in terms of in terms 148 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: of the likelihood of there being like a more formally 149 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: declared kind of conflict versus just versus just like increasingly 150 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: increasingly normalizing extreme violence against uh you know, quote unquote 151 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: fellow countrymen. I think is is ah, yeah, like that 152 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: there's we are going to be more likely to be 153 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: just move being in that direction slowly and at the 154 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: point when there's like frequent enough exchange of the fire, 155 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: that's when we say, yeah, we're basically in a civil war. 156 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: We're just not calling it that, um, which is you know, 157 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: that's the points that you, Robert, you have made a 158 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: lot in the in the past. Yeah, I mean, and 159 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: there's I I'm I think a lot of this is 160 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: just a failure of kind of imagination and ability to 161 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: accept from a group like Brookings, who I know has 162 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: paid some attention to the Syrian Civil War that like 163 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: civil conflicts in the United States or in the in 164 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: the twenty one century often don't like there's no clear 165 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: regional split. Like you look at a lot of what 166 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: was happening in Syria, you had cities divided up by 167 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: neighborhoods between like who who was in charge? Um, you 168 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: know that that's very much what we see here. And 169 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: you do see like clear regional split between urban and 170 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: rural divides. And it's not like they say, within specific states, 171 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: but like I would say, it's very specific and limited 172 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: state that don't have huge urban rural divides. Um, Like, 173 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: that's that is the norm everywhere in this country that 174 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: I've been. Maybe it's different in fucking Vermont or New Hampshire, 175 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: but I don't trust those places. Um. Yeah, And I 176 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: guess I think they're overly optimistic based on kind of 177 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: a fundamental misunderstanding of how these sorts of conflicts occur. Um. 178 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: That said, I don't know, Like it's it's one of 179 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: those things. I think the number one the number one 180 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: thing you should be looking at in terms of whether 181 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: or not a civil war is likely is the number 182 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: of people who respond in polls with things like yes, 183 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: I think we need to use violence to restore the 184 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: nation or whatever. Um that it's not just enough, Like 185 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: I I it's not just enough to think that a 186 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: civil war is likely because a lot of that's just 187 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: based on people who don't want one, but are paying 188 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: attention to the same media as everybody else and are 189 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: watching this and stuff we're watching and are like, well, 190 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: this seems sketchy. I think that the main indicator is 191 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: the number of people who respond, yeah, I think it 192 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: would be awesome to use violence as a like in 193 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: order to make America more like what I wanted to be. UM. 194 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: And again that doesn't mean we'll we'll creep over the point. 195 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: There's a number of interesting things that have happened UM 196 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: on kind of the we're headed towards the civil war side. 197 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: The number one thing that I've seen recently is the 198 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: use of paramilitary organizations UM to kind of choke uh 199 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: local civil institutions UM like school boards. I I see 200 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: that as very concerning and as kind of prelude to 201 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: the sort of armed mobilizations that you would see unlocalized 202 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: areas in any kind of civil conflict. It's it's the 203 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: precursors to death squads. So that's the that's the thing 204 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: that I see on the ground that worries me most 205 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: um in terms of the thing that I'm I'm certain 206 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: about honestly, Like, one of the things they note in 207 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: here in the Brookings article that like, the sheer number 208 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: of guns in the United States is a reason why 209 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: we might have a civil war, and I agree with 210 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: that entirely. When you have four million weapons in private hands, 211 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: it increases the odds that they'll be used in some 212 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: sort of scale. UM. We've also seen historic numbers of 213 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: non white people of of of like folks who are 214 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: from marginalized communities, UM, not just buying up weapons that 215 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: unprecedented rates, but organizing with them. And I'm not really 216 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: sure how to think of that. There's certainly a way. 217 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: It could certainly be a very negative development, but it 218 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: could also be. I think a big part of what 219 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: I've seen from the right lately is the sense of impunity. UM. 220 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: And I think the feeling of being matched uh in 221 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: arms is an end to impunity potentially. UM. Then the 222 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: big question is like, well what about the police, and like, well, 223 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: if the police side with the riot against you know, 224 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: there's there's still a number of questions there, and we 225 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: don't have any clean answers. But UM, I don't know that. 226 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: I I think that on the whole, I'm more worried 227 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: than I was two years ago when I wrote it. 228 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: Could happen here, um, but it's not clean. And I 229 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: think in some to some extent, I'm I'm a little 230 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: more worried about something like the years of Lead in 231 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: Italy than I am about Syria right now, if that 232 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: makes sense. I will say one thing about the years 233 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: of Lead, which because a lot of people talk about 234 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: the years of less, so that the years a letter 235 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: this kind of like a roughly ten year period in 236 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: Italy of I don't know, mass terrorismating political violence with 237 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: effigant body counts in a way that stood out from 238 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: the years around it. Yeah, And I mean, you know, 239 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: the years of Lead has use a lit Also, there's 240 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of intelligent and she's involved. There's a 241 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: lot of foreign kind of false false bombings, like hundred 242 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: hundreds of people are being killed in bombings. And I 243 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: think there's one absolutely crucial difference between now in the 244 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: Years of Light. I mean, well, okay, so partially it's 245 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: that unlike Italy, we don't have seventeen thousand intelligence agencies 246 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: operating in the US and like trying to kidnap and 247 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: kill the foreign prime minister. But the the other thing 248 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: that's very important is that unlike unlike the Italian left, 249 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: and you know, really unlike the whole global left of 250 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties. There is no American like left 251 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: wing like left wing, I guess you could call, like 252 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: there's there's no left wing terrorist tradition, right like the 253 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: like the left doesn't do suside bombings. The left doesn't 254 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: kidnap people like like the modern American left doesn't do that, 255 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: and that a big part of what was happening from 256 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: the years of LED was that, you know, sometimes the 257 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: left was doing this. A lot of times it was 258 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: the state pretending to be the left carrying out bombings. 259 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: And that isn't really something that is happening right now 260 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: because there's just like the like, the the left is 261 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: not in a play where everyone is going, we need 262 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: to do armed durban guerrilla movements and yeah, so and 263 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: then that that makes it harder to sort of pin 264 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: things like pin actual urban guerrilla movement stuff on the 265 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: left because there's just none of that. But I don't 266 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: think and I agree Years of Left is kind of 267 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: like a broad Strokes comparison because what I see is 268 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: more likely is what we're what we're already witnessing on 269 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: the ground with these right wing militant groups increases, and 270 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: they moved to the point of kidnapping and executing and 271 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: potentially in concert with law enforcement, like doing stuff like 272 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: in states that have issued harsh laws, you know, banning 273 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: certain books. You have in a town, local law enforcement 274 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: and militias like go after and grab individual leftists and 275 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: either kill or imprison them, and conflicts over that, and 276 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: you have the left increasingly organized an arm um as 277 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: a defense against that, and then a number of armed conflicts, 278 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: you know, as a result of that, which maybe then 279 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: proceed to bombings and stuff that that's terrorism, or proceed 280 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: to just more kind of skirmishes that the FEDS have 281 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: a minimal response to, and local or state law enforcement 282 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: kind of tacitly allows um like that. That's that's kind 283 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: of obviously that's not a direct comparison to what happened 284 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: in Italy, but of course we're a different country. But 285 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: that's kind of that's kind of the kind of brush 286 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: fire conflict I could see cropping up in the very 287 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: near future in this country. You know what else will 288 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: start a series of armed gun fights between left and 289 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: right in American towns. The products and services they're they're 290 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: working on it every day. The products and services that 291 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: support this podcast urged violence on the streets of the 292 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: United States. That's behind the bastards. Guarantee, Sophie, We're not 293 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: doing behind the bastards? What what show are we? Who 294 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 1: are we? Anyway? Here's ads? All right? Oh my gosh, 295 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: uh We're back. Yeah, what a great ad. I really 296 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: nailed that transition. Um, just absolutely so. The next thing 297 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: that I want to talk about, UM, something that I 298 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: think has some some backing behind it and something that 299 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: I think is kind of more silly. Is that one 300 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: of one of the reasons that this uh NBC piece 301 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: by what's his name, uh, Brian Brian Michael Jenkins is uh, 302 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: he says, one of one of the reasons that we're 303 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: kind of getting more okay with, you know, uh, killing 304 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: or hurting our neighbors essentially is um quote, Americans do 305 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: fewer things together. Church attendance is declining. Membership and civic 306 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: organizations and lodges have been decreasing for decades. PTA membership 307 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: has dropped by nearly half from what it was in 308 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties, Bowling leagues have almost disappeared, and a shared 309 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: national experience of military service disintegrated with the abolition of 310 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: conscription in nineteen seventy three. Meanwhile, self proclaimed citizen militia's 311 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: driven mainly by far right conspiracy theories have surged since 312 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: to US and eight, especially in the past five years. 313 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: So he is wrong, but he's yes, militias have leagues, 314 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: militias have risen. But is that due to bowling leagues. Yeah, 315 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: I don't think it's due to a drop in bowling leagues. 316 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: I think it's due to the fact that all these 317 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: guys are terminally online now and we're watching Fox News 318 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: for twenty years before that. That is the thing, is that, like, 319 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: I don't think this guy, Brian Michael Chickens understands how 320 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: the Internet intersects with extremism because he's he's doing this 321 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: from a very like like he's he's acting like we're 322 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: still in the seventies, and he like, like that's not 323 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: how the world works, and how like people spend their time. No, 324 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: people aren't doing bowling leagues, but yeah, woman, young men 325 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: are spending and and you know, middleagement are spending time online, 326 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: whether that be discord in a terrorist group chat, or 327 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: that be a Facebook group that's for a militia and 328 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: that's where that socialization is happening. And because the Internet 329 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: rewards extremism and the hottest take, it's moving in that direction, 330 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: even with people who would ordinarily just have historically the 331 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: past joined bowling leagues. I guess, but it's very It's 332 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: it's correlation doesn't equal causation. Ship It's wow. Less people 333 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: are in bowling leagues and going to church, and militias 334 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: have grown wildly, wildly. Um, this one must cause the other. 335 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: And it's like, well, no, they're both both of those things. 336 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: May have some causes in common. There may be similar 337 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: factors that are driving both of those things, but they 338 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: are not caused like that. They don't necessary one doesn't 339 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: necessarily cause the other. Um. And if you like, again, 340 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: the smart person version of this would be to say, hey, 341 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: people are doing less things together out in the world. 342 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: People are reporting because you can find statistic backup for this. 343 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: People seem to be lonelier than ever. Um, people are 344 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: more depressed than ever. Suicide rates have risen, and while 345 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: this is happening, militias and extremist groups have grown. Perhaps 346 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: there's something about these organizations, um that makes them particularly 347 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: attractive when folks are vulnerable due to these things, and 348 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: like let's look at you know, the failure of our 349 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: political system to confront these issues further feeds into the 350 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: desire amongst some chunk of the populace for some sort 351 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: of nihilistic cleansing violence. And again, pieces of all the 352 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: pieces of this article could be could be reassembled into 353 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: something with um some insight, but I I don't think 354 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: Brian Michael Jenkins has much. I think it's also interesting 355 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 1: thing to note here about because so the last thing 356 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: he talks about this, oh, is the thing that formed 357 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: the common sort of national identity was shared Universal Military service. 358 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, the reason shared universal Military Service 359 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: went away was that everyone kept murdering literally just blowing 360 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: their officers up in Vietnam like that. And you know, 361 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: if if you want to talk about like incredibly high 362 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: levels of political polarization and like mass violence between Americans, 363 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the army basically fighting a civil war against 364 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: itself in Vietnam is you know, in an enormously important 365 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: part of this. And then simultaneously the sort of right 366 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: wing vets returning home and you know, going Louis Beam 367 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. That you know, he's relying on 368 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: this kind of mythos of this so there was a 369 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: time when you know, it's it's it's basically made it 370 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: make America great again. But sort of like, yeah, that's 371 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: this type of rhetoric is actually very similar to like 372 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: the return return to tradition and stuff, but like the 373 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: solution to our extremism need to be going to church, 374 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: church again, being part of civil organizations, joining bowling leagues, 375 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: and conscripted conscripted military service. That's like, that is that 376 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: that is just the same that that is very similar 377 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: to like the make America grade again, returned to tradition 378 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: sect because those are those are also their goals, except 379 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: that they're just willing to use violence to achieve those goals, 380 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: whereas this guy just wants people to start doing that again. 381 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: I guess, um, I don't know. Yeah, Like in terms 382 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: of like military service not leading to extremism, I mean 383 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: like Oklahoma City bombing, I don't, I don't, I don't 384 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: really there is other stuff going on there. But like 385 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: in terms of terms of that being like an example, 386 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: it is it is very silly because a lot of 387 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of the guys, even inside 388 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: you know, are are current like three per centers and stuff. 389 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: A lot of them have former military service, so that 390 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: I mean, but like, yeah, citizen militias in terms of 391 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: gaining popularity specifically due to um kind of overall distrusted 392 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: the federal government and the type of socialization that being 393 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: online too much results in, has yes, grown grown, grown 394 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: the militia movement a lot um And and I just 395 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: don't see how Bowling is going to solve that issue 396 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: in terms of in terms of how do we people 397 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: to trust the federal government solve that issue? Garrison. But 398 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: but you've never watched The Big Lebowski, so you wouldn't 399 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: You wouldn't understand. I've not watched The Big Lebowski. So 400 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: I'm kind of I'm kind of I'm kind of done 401 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: with the kind of done with the NBC piece there. 402 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: I know there was there was something Brian Michael Jenkins. 403 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: The other thing on on the Brookings thing that I 404 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: have a decent issue with is that they're one of 405 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: the reasons they give for and and this is actually 406 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: something that Brian Michael Jenkins also brings up with the 407 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,239 Speaker 1: MPC piece, is that one of the reasons why they 408 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: believed the civil wars not as inevitable is because there 409 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: is no clear regional split like a North South divide, 410 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: and they, for some reason think this means that there 411 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: is less likely to be civil conflict. Um. They they 412 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: recognized there is an urban rule divide in most states, 413 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: but because there is no large, kind of obvious north 414 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: South divide, they think this is going to make a 415 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: civil war less likely. Well, the map would really be 416 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: a pain in the ass, so it probably won't happen, right, 417 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: Like that's that's the thing they're thinking, is like, oh, 418 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: if I was gonna if I have to map this out, 419 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: it's gonna be too complicated. When I read that, I 420 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: had flashbacks to my first trip to a war zone 421 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: in Ukraine, where we were like taking Google Maps up 422 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: to a certain point and then we had to use 423 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: like hand drawn notes because he was like, well, the 424 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: different like the different chunks of this air next like 425 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: twenty acres that are owned by the separatists as opposed 426 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: to the government, or like you can't use Google it'll 427 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: send you into enemy territories because it's not a clean 428 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: break because you had literally suburbs of cities fighting each 429 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,239 Speaker 1: other and you still do Yeah, this is a this 430 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: is you know, I think personally this this this is 431 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: a sort of peak American brain thing because you know, 432 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 1: there's there's been like five ever civil wars that are 433 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: broken like this, and the problem is that there's American 434 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: Civil War and then we also fought in both Vietnam 435 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: and North Korea. But like, yeah, yeah, we were really 436 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: civil war. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's that's there was fighting 437 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: between two halfs of the country that it was a 438 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: proxy for two others several other kindries and that's yeah, 439 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: and that's and that's the thing that like it's the 440 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: combination of the American Civil War was very unique civil war, 441 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: and then the other major things that we think of 442 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: as like quote unquote civil wars were you know, we're 443 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: basically cold war stuff. And I mean, you know, like that, 444 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: there there are a couple other like yeah, I mean 445 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: there have been other examples of like successionist stuff like that. 446 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: Like I mean, in in any civil war, like there's 447 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: a lot of other countries that get involved. In the 448 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: US Civil War, there was a significant amount of of 449 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: that sort and even even even even in the US 450 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: Civil War, like there are just like towns in the 451 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: middle of like Confederate territory. They're like, no, funk this, 452 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: We're not going over. But everyone but people have this 453 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: just like incredibly myopic view of what a civil war is. 454 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: And it's like every other civil war that's been fought 455 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: in the last like fifty years has been just seven 456 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: thousand factions like neighborhood fighting each other. I don't know, 457 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: it's just incredibly frustrating to watch these people not understand this. 458 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: It's very America brained, and it's very sad because I'm 459 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: going to read a quote that's gonna make us want 460 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: to purge our ears. There are urban rural differences within 461 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: specific states, with progressives dominating the city as while conservatives 462 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: reside in rural communities, but that is a far different 463 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: geographic divide than when one region could wage war on another. 464 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: The lack of a distinctive or uniform geographic division limits 465 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: the ability to confront other areas organized supply chains and 466 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: mobilize the population. There can be local skirmaches between different forces, 467 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: but not a situation where one state or region attacks another, 468 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: which is complete nonsense. And that's not how like it's 469 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: like they don't understand that guerrilla fighting exists and they 470 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: don't understand how the whole, the whole, the whole part 471 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: about organizing supply chains and mobilized population, like that is 472 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: just another way to fight a war is by exploiting 473 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: that specific thing like the fact that cities are so 474 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: isolated um and lack and and and lack of homemach 475 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: of resources, and the fact that rural areas are isolated 476 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: in a different way and lack separate resources. That is 477 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: not something that makes a civil war less likely. That 478 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: just makes it more complicated and makes it fighting over 479 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: Amazon fulfillment centers and the like. Yeah, like it's it's 480 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: the it is. It is ridiculous, um saying that, Yeah, 481 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: saying that the that that it's it's far different from 482 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: a geographic divide that one reacher could wage more and 483 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: others like that. No, that you're you're just saying something 484 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: that is just completely wrong and like you have not 485 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: studied any type of like urban conflict whatsoever. Yeah, And 486 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: I think there's important thing, which is that regions mostly 487 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: it's not that regions wage warning. Yeah, it's not people 488 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: don't do the fighting. Yeah, Like regions aren't the things 489 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: that are fighting, it's the people in areas and people 490 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: can move around, and people can block off access to areas, 491 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: and like it's it's this, it's a weird it's a 492 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: it's super weird way to think about things. And it's 493 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: the fact that if if this is something that like 494 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: the Brooking Institution um is, if this is what they 495 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: think on this topic, that's pretty sad indicator for what 496 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people how they how like a lot 497 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: of mainstream levels are going to view the possibility of 498 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: any type of civil conflict. And I don't know, maybe 499 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: they feel very secure in their cities, um, which which 500 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: is a weird thing. I've I've not felt that in years. Yeah, 501 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: And I think the everything that's very weird about this 502 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: is that because so a lot of people writing about 503 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: this are x are um like kind are like kind 504 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: of terrorism people, right, and the kind of terrorism kind 505 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: of resurgence people. It's weird because they used to understand 506 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: this like you know, like a lot of like you know, 507 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: because like in in you know, in in the twentieth 508 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: century and in even sort of the early century, like 509 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: the the the sort of the sort of standard like 510 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: guerrilla insurgency doctrine was you know, it's some some some 511 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: some variation on the like maoists fish in the sea, 512 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: like surround the cities where we're like royal areas, etcetera, 513 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: etcet etcetera, and like and you you even see versions 514 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: of this, you know, in things that are quite civil 515 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: wars but are kind of like what happened, like the 516 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: water and gas wars and Oblivi and the the three 517 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: Thousand's where like you know, what what what, Yeah, you 518 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: have kind of an urban reyal divide with they have 519 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: allies in the cities, but the sort of you know, 520 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: like the you have a bunch of rural regienous groups 521 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: that literally just you know, they blockade every road in 522 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: the country and then start of the cities out right. 523 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: I mean, this is this, this is this is just 524 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: a thing that happened. It's just like, yeah, that is like, yeah, 525 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: that is that. That is going to happen sooner than later, 526 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: whether that be caused by accident, by some type of 527 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: climate natural disaster, or on purpose by a militia like that. 528 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: It's just a matter of time until we have to 529 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: deal with this massive problem. Yeah. Um. And it's like 530 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: I've been reading recently about um Uruguay and what happened 531 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: with them, and like the seventies when their dictatorship took 532 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: over and they had a left wing group that was 533 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: like very much engaged in kind of a lot of 534 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: acts of poetic terrorism, like you know, robbing banks to 535 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: steal paperwork that they would then hand over to like 536 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: somebody to reveal malfeasance within a company, or like stealing 537 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: trucks of food going to like some big wealthy Christmas 538 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: party and redistributing it in poor neighborhoods. Pretty rad stuff 539 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: and one of the ways in which the new incoming 540 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: dictatorial regime cracked down them as they deputized like ten 541 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: thousand jud's and gave them guns and sent them in 542 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: with the army. Um. And I was like, yeah, I 543 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: could absolutely see ship. Could that happen? Yeah, Like if 544 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: there was some sort of uprising in a in a 545 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: liberal city, there's areas around them filled with juds there 546 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: and there was precedent, There is precedent for police doing that. Um, 547 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: they have done it within your r I shot garrison 548 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: like on small scales. So I think we'll have one 549 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: more break and come back and talk about a talk 550 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: about a Hedge fund. Oh funk I love hedge funds. 551 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: Let me get let me get my hedge funds. Shared 552 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: out the shirt that I wear when talking about hedge funds. 553 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: All right, I have my hedgephone shirt on UM. As 554 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: you can all see, it's a picture of Ringo star 555 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: filating himself. I don't know why that's my hedge fund shirt. 556 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: I don't know either, but I love the beach Boys. UM. Anyway, 557 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: so thank you perfect nailed it. Uh we should we 558 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: talk about this hedge fund guy? Yes? I do want 559 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: to talk with this hedge fund guy because this is 560 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: when something with this much money is talking about this 561 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: one just for fun, right, he's doing this just for ships, 562 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: for funds. Yeah, he's doing it for ships and giggles. 563 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,959 Speaker 1: And he wrote a book kind of on this topic 564 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: and he proposed one one solution. He came up with 565 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: one thing that will prevent us from entering a civil war. Um, 566 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: which shows how smart these hedge fund people are. Um. 567 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: But first, uh, I Chris would love to I would 568 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: love for you to explain who who this? Who this 569 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: dude is? Okay, So Rage is a hedge fund manager 570 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: and he is so he runs Bridge Bridge Water Associates, 571 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: which is one all the world's largest hedge fund firm. Yeah, 572 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: and it depends how you de find anything, but yeah, 573 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: it's a very large fund. And this guy, this guy 574 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: is weird by like venture capital standards. So the Bridgewaters 575 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: whole thing is that everyone in the company is constantly 576 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: surveiled at all times, and anyone else when the company 577 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: could look at when anyone else is doing its supposed 578 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: to be like it's like total transparency. And what it 579 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: actually means again, is it like you can you can 580 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: look at like fucking what any of your colleagues, like 581 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: also working at this place is doing, just sucking at 582 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: their day job. You can see all their records, you 583 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: can see everything they're looking at. And the other thing 584 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: that he's known for is that he doesn't trust anyone 585 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,479 Speaker 1: else to like run the hedge fund after he retires. 586 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: Your dies, So he's trying to build like like a 587 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: cybernetic version of his brain to keep running the hedge 588 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: funds the like other hedge fund weirdos think this guy 589 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: is fucking wild. And yeah, he's he's a time and 590 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: he runs one of the world's just hege funds. It's great, 591 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: it's we it's it's amazing and good. We give these 592 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: people this much money to control. So I will say, 593 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: when it comes to his actual analysis of like whether 594 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 1: or not it's likely, I don't particularly disagree with anything. Yes, 595 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: it's it's broadly reasonable. Yeah, his looking Yeah for what, 596 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: he's just doing this because because he thinks it's fun. 597 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: He has enough money, he's gonna survive whatever. Um. But yeah, 598 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: he's also I mean, part of why this is fairly 599 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 1: credible is he's I mean, if you're if you're good 600 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: at this, it means that you have one actual talent, 601 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: which is is judging risk. Um. And I think he's 602 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,919 Speaker 1: probably pretty good at judging risk. Yeah. So he he 603 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: he said that he believes there's like a high likely 604 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: could that a civil war or something resembling it will 605 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: break out within the decade. Um is the number he gives. 606 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: He's the number he gives and then he um, yeah wait, 607 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: let's see. Yeah he said there's also he have a quality. 608 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: He says, it's a we're we're in a we're in 609 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: a high risk position right now. Um. And yeah. He 610 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: talks about the different kind of reasons why he believes 611 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: so in this book, most of which are like pretty reasonable. Um, 612 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: in terms of like uh, in in terms of like 613 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: looking at a population and how much how like you know, 614 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: the various like polarization between politics and culture and all 615 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. Um, But the solution that he 616 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: gives to this is that, um, we should make a 617 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: formal judgment for quote unquote close elections and have the 618 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: losers respect the outcomes, and then once that happens, the 619 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: order is going to be like restored and respected, and 620 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: then we will avert a civil war. So he he 621 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: thinks that a civil will will probably be like enacted 622 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: by some type of election dispute, which that is actually 623 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,720 Speaker 1: very reasonable in terms of what happened in our last election. 624 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: If there's like a big if there's big election dispute, 625 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: that could absolutely spark some type of conflict. But the 626 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: idea that we can avert a civil war by just 627 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: having an organization to judge close elections, like, but that's 628 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 1: not gonna, like, that's not gonna if you do that, 629 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: that's not gonna solve the close election problem. That'sn't even 630 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: if you do it, that won't be a solution, you know. 631 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: And I I will say, like, yeah, I excuse some 632 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: saying credit credit where minor credit is due Radalio is 633 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 1: in fact right that the difference between two thousands, which 634 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: is when the last time someone actually literally stolen election happened, 635 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,399 Speaker 1: where yeah, but Bush Bush openly rings the election. It's 636 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 1: incredibly obvious, Like there there's like six ways he does this. 637 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: Everyone knows what's happening, and the reaction is every were 638 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,919 Speaker 1: just kind of shrugs because they're like, oh, this dream 639 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: courts legitimate compared to both, which, yeah, that that's you know, 640 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: that's that's that's there. There there's been an actual break there. 641 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: It's just that I don't know, maybe I think it's 642 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: it's almost just like a lip brained thing where it's 643 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: like you think that if if you have an institution 644 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: that sets down rules this, this will make everything okay 645 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: because everyone will obey it. And that's just not where 646 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: we are anymore. Yeah, I mean, there was just a 647 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: poll that came out recently. It should like Americans trust 648 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 1: in the military has fallen to its lowest level ever registered, 649 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,760 Speaker 1: and like that was kind of the one thing left 650 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: that most people felt positively about. Not to say that's 651 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: even a good thing, but just like the there is 652 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: such a complete fucking lack of faith in institutions across 653 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: the spectrum in the United States. But it's like, how 654 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: unless you're hiring I don't know, Um fucking no. I 655 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: would say Tom Hanks, but Tom Hanks has even gotten politicized, 656 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: even viruses. So yeah, there's no one they could pick 657 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: to get do this job that people would feel good 658 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: about if they Yeah, I mean, I'm sure if they 659 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,760 Speaker 1: brought Mr Rogers back from the dead, half the country 660 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: would call him a cuck. So I don't I don't 661 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: know what what. I don't know who Daio thinks is 662 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: going to like get everybody on board. So maybe maybe, 663 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: uh maybe, um Danny DeVito, Danny DeVito might be able 664 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: to do it. Well, I think if if we put 665 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: all of our hope in Danny DeVito, that is a 666 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: better solution than what any of these articles and the 667 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. It beats it beats every other quote solution 668 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 1: the articles posited. I mean Odin Kirk brought Twitter together 669 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: that one week. Maybe yeah, you know, with with the 670 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: practice in your court, if you just picked twelve random 671 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: people off the street, and we're like, that's that's the thing, 672 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: It's like, I am I am all four. It's the 673 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: term isn't the term isn't a democracy, Um, it's it's 674 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: I forget the other term, yes, of of almost I 675 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 1: forget exactly. But it's when a government is not composed 676 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: of elected leaders, composed of a random selected a random 677 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: selection of people, and they make decisions and then their 678 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: decisions over then we then we get a new selection. 679 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm all four that model of government over almost any other. 680 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: It sounds way better than what we have. Yeah, yeah, 681 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: so that that is. That is the three pieces I 682 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: want to talk about. The independent piece on the Hedge Fund, 683 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: Brooking Institution on the Civil War, and then uh, Brian 684 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:21,240 Speaker 1: wentnot not not Brian, Yes, Brian Michael jenkins Um, senior 685 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:26,919 Speaker 1: advisor to the President of RAND Who who who wrote 686 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 1: the who who wrote the thing for NBC? So yeah, 687 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: that is just the terms of in terms of you know, 688 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: people in institutions talking about the topic more generally and 689 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 1: sometimes decent ways, oftentimes not decent ways. That is that 690 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: is the stuff from like the just the past between 691 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: the past week two months of people with big salaries 692 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,919 Speaker 1: talking about the Civil War or in terms of the 693 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,360 Speaker 1: in terms of the Hedge Fund guy, not a salary, 694 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: just billions of dollars, Yeah, just billions of dollars and 695 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: thinking it's neat. Um, I don't know. You know, every 696 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: time one of these comes out, I get tagged by 697 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of people, um, saying like Robbert is the 698 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: thing you were talking about? Other people are talking about it, 699 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: and um, I don't know, I don't like that this 700 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: is the thing other people are talking about that I've 701 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: been talking about as opposed to mass Zeppelin transit or 702 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: something more fun. Yeah, these people could dedicate the resource 703 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: into something more manageable for them. And because they don't 704 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: have a good grasp, especially that Brian Michael guy has 705 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: and has no grasp on how extremism works. Um, And 706 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: it would be better if they dedicate the resources to 707 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: something else. But this is the world we live in. 708 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: It would be better if perhaps Brian Michael Jenkins dedicated 709 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: his his efforts and his platform at NBC to looking 710 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: into Mr Dario and whatever the funk he's been up to. Um, 711 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: that might that might do more. Man, he just get 712 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,919 Speaker 1: plan them on, he would absolutely, Brian Michael Jenkins would 713 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 1: get PanAm on so fun and quick. Alright, Well, the Panamanians, 714 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: motherfucker in journalism just just like not even not even 715 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: downtime before that car gets bombed as he's talking on air. 716 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: The Okay, Brian Michael Jakins is seventy nine years old, 717 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:26,320 Speaker 1: so it won't it wouldn't be hard. I just that 718 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,359 Speaker 1: that that's like a ten minute job. I'm just I'm 719 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,240 Speaker 1: just thinking, like Brian Michael Jakins, he's a quote unquote 720 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: an American expert on terrorism and transportation security with four 721 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: neckends of analysis. This is why he doesn't understand modern extremism. 722 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,919 Speaker 1: It's because, yeah, he's still thinking in the seventies mode. 723 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: That's sure. I'm sure of his thoughts on terrorism are 724 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 1: just him rehashing opinions about like Hezbollah in the eighties. Yeah, 725 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: all of all of his stuff is superdated. So that's 726 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 1: that's why I I said that previously, is that he 727 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,760 Speaker 1: still views terrorism as like as it was in the seventies. 728 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: And yeah, this is this is why. Um so that's 729 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: great guy, that's that's him. Um anyway, that wraps up 730 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 1: our show. Um, yeah, watch out for the one. The 731 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: one Brian Michael Jenkins prediction I do think will happen 732 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 1: is that there's a decent chance we might be back 733 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: in an assassination territory because it is, but it has 734 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 1: been a long time since that has happened. It's it 735 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,439 Speaker 1: has been a hot minute, and definitely leagues. It keeps 736 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 1: happening in the UK. Yeah, I I was meaning specifically 737 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: in in in America, and well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. 738 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,879 Speaker 1: We're We're not that far away from them in terms 739 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: of like things happening, so that I'm kind of surprised 740 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,840 Speaker 1: it hasn't had. I think it's probably just because maybe 741 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: American legislators are all much more concerned about assassination because guns, 742 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: so people like our elected leaders take more precautions than 743 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,879 Speaker 1: British ones. Did. I don't know. Maybe I don't know either. Well, 744 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,760 Speaker 1: speaking of assassinations, you can follow us on Twitter and Instagram. 745 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: That happened here media. If we go missing, it was 746 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: Ray Dalio. If we go missing, it was Ray Dalio. Right, 747 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 1: could pie forbuddy