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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lalli. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and uh, well it's a Friday here, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: snowy Friday here in Pittsburgh, little chili. This is just

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Speaker 1: a dusting though from president what I had last weekend.

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Speaker 1: This is nothing. Uh but yeah, so the we of

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Speaker 1: course still have the Mike Tomlin news conference that the

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Speaker 1: season ender that wrapped up yesterday, and I mentioned that

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Speaker 1: we would talk about today about some of the other

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Speaker 1: things that he talked about. Yeah, yeah, definitely, and kind

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Speaker 1: of he really spoke effusively about the the rookie class

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Speaker 1: really and Joey Porter and and Kew Bent. He said,

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Speaker 1: in fact, he said he had just gotten out of

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Speaker 1: his h his meeting with Keanu Benton, and he talked

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Speaker 1: about him having an opportunity to be dominant, a dominant player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've seen a lot of flashes that

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Speaker 2: I thought he actually was one of the few, not few,

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Speaker 2: but I mean it's certainly a bright spot in Buffalo

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Speaker 2: going up against Mitch Moore is a good senate. I

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Speaker 2: thought he had a really good game. Every time he's

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Speaker 2: been out there, he's has good games.

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Speaker 1: Though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's time for him to

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Speaker 2: be a dude, I mean a seventy eighty percent snap

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Speaker 2: guy and be a presence and a dominant player because

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Speaker 2: he has those capabilities.

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Speaker 1: While we're on that subject, yeah, last night on his podcast,

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Speaker 1: Cam Hayward said that he is not retiring. Okay, and

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Speaker 1: it goes back. He mentioned it as he talked about

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Speaker 1: this whole thing very much the same way that Mike

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Speaker 1: Tomlin did about it. He says, I'm in the moments

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Speaker 1: after the Buffalo game, the loss. Yeah, yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: got people with sticking microphones in my face asking me

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Speaker 1: if I'm going to come back next year. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: just not the time, he said, it wasn't He said,

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Speaker 1: I didn't think that was a time. And then even

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Speaker 1: two days later when he talked to the media, he's like, actually,

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Speaker 1: he spoke the next day, he's like, you know, people

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Speaker 1: once again are asked me, it's twenty four hours after

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Speaker 1: this thing. Give me a little bit of time to

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Speaker 1: decompress here. Yeah, right, right, let's not talk about some

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Speaker 1: thing that this is a huge life decision.

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Speaker 2: There aren't many that are in like the Kelsey mold

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Speaker 2: where they kind of knew going into their lives well.

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Speaker 1: But they had to talk him into coming back a

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Speaker 1: year ago, right, so he probably knew at the beginning

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Speaker 2: It for him. I mean, they even drafted a center

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Speaker 1: They probably already had that. You know. It's the same

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Speaker 1: thing with like Roethlisberger or Mark when Marquise Pouncey, Like

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Speaker 1: they knew before the game that was going to be it.

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Speaker 1: That's why you saw Kelsey on the sideline at the

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Speaker 1: end of that game in Tiers. Of course, of course,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's why you saw Pouncy at the end

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Speaker 1: of the get in the playoff game in Tiers. When

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Speaker 1: you know it's over, it hits you like a.

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Somebody just hit you with a bag of bricks. I

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Speaker 1: can you know, I can remember going through that, you know,

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Speaker 1: my final high school basketball game. You're like, not knowing

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Speaker 2: I'm like, this might be the last time.

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Speaker 1: This might have been the last time I do this,

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Speaker 2: So I'm sure of the next couple of weeks. I mean,

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Speaker 2: these guys, especially at that age, might need a knee

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Speaker 2: I want to deal with that and rehab it or

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Speaker 1: Right, you really don't, you know. For a guy like

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Speaker 2: I'm sure. I'm sure. I thought he actually played maybe

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Speaker 1: He's basically playing on one leg out there. Yeah a lot.

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Speaker 2: everyone recognizes that. No, it's good he's coming back, though,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't think it was ever up in doubt.

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Speaker 1: to what your work, what the team is working for.

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Speaker 1: That's the whole point of this stuff. I get everybody

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Speaker 1: has questions about stuff. I'm in the media. I have questions, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, the media all my life, you know, and fans

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Speaker 1: But there's a time and a place for that kind

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Speaker 2: sure around the facility you've got a pretty good idea

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Speaker 2: when someone's going to hang it out. Yes, you know,

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Speaker 2: you hear stuff, and I'm sure he tells the players

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Speaker 2: and everybody knows they're at the end, and like Bett's

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Speaker 2: sure there's times. Yeah, But back to the rookie class

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Speaker 2: and Cam being around really good for betting, Yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: And I think this class is tremendous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So he talked about he talked about, you know,

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Speaker 1: Joey Porter as well. You know what they saw from him,

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Speaker 2: he fared extremely well.

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Speaker 1: The key is getting another guy like that and then

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Speaker 2: I do think a corner opposite him would go a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. You know. So those are

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Speaker 1: he singled out Pat Fryarmouth as a taking a big

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, to a couple of these young guys need

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Speaker 2: that's year three for him. Heard some good things about

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Speaker 2: Roderick Jones. I mean it's great to Friar Moose in

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Speaker 2: that conversation as well. I think he started talking extension

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Speaker 2: with him. I mean, you make him a little cheaper

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Speaker 1: He's a tight end. I mean you're gonna you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not going to break the bank, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, they just need to get more production out

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Speaker 1: of the tight end position. As a whole, sixty two

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's not enough, you know, that would be

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Speaker 2: Friar Moth obviously right, I mean when you to start

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's an accident. You great a lot

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Speaker 2: I mean we've seen it plenty of times over his career.

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Speaker 2: did have some injuries. But still he needs to be

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Speaker 2: more of a consistent tight end one in fantasy, you

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Speaker 2: no matter what the matchup is, end up with seven, eight, nine,

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Speaker 2: Also think you got better as a blockers the season

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tomman also has asked about Najia Harrison

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Speaker 1: a thousand yard rusher in each of his first three seasons.

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Speaker 1: You know people might look at them and go, well,

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Speaker 1: he's not Christian McCaffrey. We also wasn't taken where McCaffrey

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Speaker 2: There's a huge difference, and you know to a playoff

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Speaker 1: Looking for one, I saw there was there was a

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Speaker 1: about fifty year options. You know, guys are Gettat picked

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Speaker 1: Steelers picking up Najia Harris's fifty year option, but they

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Speaker 1: You told me, if you asked me, which one had

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Speaker 2: Which is the type of backs those guys are. I

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Speaker 2: Pretty much all you'd have invested in running back period, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you can see the frustration. That's not

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Speaker 2: No, and what he does is very valuable to this team,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not gonna wear down, Yeah, later into his

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Speaker 2: And if he misses, he doesn't miss time. But if

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Speaker 1: It's amazing, you know, for a guy at that position

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, and again to you, you know, think

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Speaker 1: They're getting to the second level and making plays.

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Speaker 2: That happens three or four times a game, forget about it.

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Speaker 2: because I just that' also not gonna have Ma Homes quarterback,

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Speaker 2: you know, right right, you better have a guy that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, no, no doubt about that. And and

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Speaker 2: He's looking to punch and fight and throw them and

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Speaker 1: Got two big running Yeah, Jalen Warren is a big

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't want the Dolphins run game.

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Speaker 1: We talked a lot about all that stuff yesterday. We're

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening to the drive here on

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. One of the things that Tomlin talked

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Speaker 1: for next year. Let's talk about why that might be

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Speaker 1: He is the Matt Williamson and this is the Drive

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Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt, there's been a lot

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin had his press conference at noon yesterday about

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Speaker 2: Would say there's a little bit of a loophole there.

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Speaker 1: People are using that Tomlin, the fact that he said,

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Speaker 2: And you know, so to Steel dot com and pull

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Speaker 1: They still have Madson Rudolph on their roster for another

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Speaker 1: go sign Kirk Cousins, Why don't they go trade for

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Speaker 2: A really rich market. The draft is sort of interesting.

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Speaker 1: I'm not interested in Tanny Hill or Russell Wilson. No

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Speaker 1: But by that token, Vinnie Testaverdi, Yeah, Vinnie Testaverty's sixteenth

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Speaker 2: No close.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: His cousin's thirty four ish something like that, the same

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Speaker 1: He's he's thirty five years old. He'll turty thirty six

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Speaker 2: Okay, so him, I might even like picking on him.

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Speaker 2: But quarterbacks that in this era that are twelve year

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Speaker 1: times passing. There's no comparison between the two, right, right,

437
00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,760
Speaker 1: you know Joe Montana is twenty second. There's no comparison

438
00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:49,480
Speaker 1: between him.

439
00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,400
Speaker 2: Next year, Yeah, I'm sure I'm not looking at the list,

440
00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,280
Speaker 2: but i mean, yeah, he'll go pass a lot of

441
00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:54,919
Speaker 2: of the best quarterbacks ever.

442
00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:56,720
Speaker 1: Very soon because he throws the ball more.

443
00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,320
Speaker 2: There's Walton, right, and he's a good player. I mean,

444
00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,000
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's not a good.

445
00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,000
Speaker 1: He's not a good player. But one of the reasonings

446
00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,119
Speaker 1: for this, well, they need they need to have a

447
00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,239
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins to be able to go into Buffalo and

448
00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,760
Speaker 1: beat Josh Allen or going to Baltimore and beat you know,

449
00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:19,040
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, or go to Kansas City and win. I've

450
00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,840
Speaker 1: seen him in the last few years winning Buffalo, true

451
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,200
Speaker 1: against Josh Allen. I've seen them win plenty against Lamar Jackson.

452
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,119
Speaker 1: They've won seven of the last eight games against the

453
00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,840
Speaker 1: Ravens in general, beating Jackson in several of those games.

454
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,439
Speaker 2: Cousins isn't exactly known as a big game player.

455
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,320
Speaker 1: He's not He's one in four in his career in

456
00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:38,000
Speaker 1: the playoffs.

457
00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,560
Speaker 2: And I mean his Monday night stuff, I mean standalone

458
00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,880
Speaker 2: games have been problematic for him. Road games. I mean

459
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,600
Speaker 2: he's an accumulator. He's accumulator, and I think he's a

460
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:47,960
Speaker 2: good player, and I think he was coming off his

461
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,199
Speaker 2: best season. Frankly, I don't think Minnesota is gonna let

462
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 2: him go. And if so, he's gonna go to like

463
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,000
Speaker 2: a Belichick team that's trying to win now. And I've

464
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 2: said this throughout the course of this season. Hey, if

465
00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,160
Speaker 2: Cousins would have been on this roster for eighteen games healthy,

466
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 2: this team would have been more of a contender. Correct me.

467
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing with that, of course, But you got

468
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:08,200
Speaker 1: to pay him.

469
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,200
Speaker 2: I say, but it's not a one for one if

470
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,359
Speaker 2: you would have added Cousins to this roster. But that's

471
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,639
Speaker 2: Genie coming out of the You know, you don't just

472
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 2: switch him out for mister Bisky or switch him out

473
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 2: for you know, practice squad player.

474
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, he's going to cost you forty

475
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 1: plus million dollars.

476
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 2: That's where I'm going with this.

477
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 1: Right, he's coming off inn achilles tendon injury that ended

478
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,440
Speaker 1: his season. He's thirty, you know, thirty five years old.

479
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,919
Speaker 1: We don't know that he's ever going to be the

480
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 1: same again.

481
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 2: Trueee. I think that's why Minnesota is going to be

482
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,719
Speaker 2: his eventual landing spot because they know more.

483
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 1: They know more about the injury.

484
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, he's happy there, and it seems

485
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 2: like they don't have anyone.

486
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 1: They're not changing. The problem with bringing in a guy

487
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 1: like that, a guy who's been injured, is when does

488
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,120
Speaker 1: he start practicing again?

489
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

490
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,439
Speaker 1: Think about that. Think about this from the term or

491
00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 1: from the aspect of when Ben Roethlisberger had his elbow

492
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 1: injury and.

493
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 2: He at least knew what he was doing. I mean here,

494
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 2: he knew the offense. That's a lot different.

495
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 1: We're going in the training camp. Is Ben gonna throw?

496
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:08,160
Speaker 2: Right?

497
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 1: We didn't know.

498
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,199
Speaker 2: But Cousins will not be there for any camp. I

499
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 2: don't think he'll be there to start training camp from

500
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: what I've read, and as it stands right now and

501
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 2: the minutes middle of January, he's questionable to start the

502
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 2: season right Like, that's not a done deal, folks. He

503
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 2: will even be the opening day starter for the Vikings.

504
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 2: If he resigns tomorrow. You know what I mean. So

505
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 2: there's all that, and at his age, Yes, he's a

506
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 2: good player. He's going to be one of the probably

507
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 2: the best fifteen quarterbacks on some team next year.

508
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 1: I like him.

509
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 2: I think he's a good player. He's an upgrade. You

510
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 2: know what you're getting, well, you don't know.

511
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: You don't know what you're getting. That's part of the problem.

512
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 2: He used to know what you're getting.

513
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 1: If he were completely healthy, this would be a different conversation, yes,

514
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: but he's not.

515
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: I would rather in terms of team building, Pickett's contract.

516
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 2: He's gonna be here no matter what his contract is

517
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 2: what it is. I think if you can turn Mason Rudolph,

518
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 2: or if you could turn Trubisky's contract into a Mason

519
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,199
Speaker 2: Rudolph or even a Jacoby Brissett. You know, I'm a

520
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 2: big Brisset fan. And if one in the draft sits there,

521
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,199
Speaker 2: that's looking at your funny that you have to have,

522
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 2: you grab them. But therefore my strategy, well, and you

523
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 2: know we've are on the same page with this, gives

524
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 2: me about thirty more million to spend on other things,

525
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 2: on things that you can use that could be gitarious

526
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 2: sneed I mean that could be the corner we talked about,

527
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,439
Speaker 2: opposite porter, or it could be your starting center, that

528
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 2: could be a left tackle, that could be a lot

529
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: of different things, you know, a premium defensive player or two.

530
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is these are not These are not your

531
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 1: father's Steelers. These are not the Steelers of ten years ago.

532
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: They showed last year that they are willing to go

533
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 1: out and pay and bring in players in free agency.

534
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,719
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not the big splash free agent guys, but

535
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 1: maybe it will be.

536
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 2: But I mean, if you can get three, see them

537
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 2: all lose at different positions, right, you know what I'm

538
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 2: talking about. I mean, as opposed to spending it all

539
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: on cousins. And you hate to say it this way,

540
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 2: but if Rudolph and Picket are both colossal failures, you're

541
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,239
Speaker 2: in the market for Draft one.

542
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah next year, right, right, You're in that market.

543
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: You're in that market. Maybe you're picking eight or something

544
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: like that, and you're in striking distance of a guy

545
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 2: or one falls to you. So I don't know, I

546
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 2: would rather use because they're gonna have free agent money

547
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of ways we can We'll talk

548
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: about that over the over the weeks, but there's they're

549
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: gonna free a lot of money up. Then they're going

550
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: to use it. I mean, they're gonna use it outside

551
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 2: the organization. There's not many guys they have to keep

552
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 2: that are presently on the roster for the next couple

553
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 2: of weeks. Yeah, you know, and I would think I

554
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 2: would rather use it, because I did give Cousins a

555
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 2: lot of thought, you know, like, boy, this team would

556
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: pretty do with Kirk Cousins.

557
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: But in a vacuum, sure, you know, if we're playing Madden, Okay,

558
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: that makes some sense, right right.

559
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, in the real world, I'd rather spend it

560
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 2: on a corner and other things and extend firemooth and

561
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: you know, really build your infrastructure and go from there.

562
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 2: But I also think back to the tom and press conference,

563
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear that they still have hope

564
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: and more for Picket. You know, I don't think that

565
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 2: so many national media folks would phrase it like this, Well,

566
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 2: they're obviously done with Picket. They gave Rudolph the start.

567
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 2: They think he's junk, that he's done with them. I

568
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: don't think that's the case at all.

569
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case at one iota. And

570
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: that's what Mike Tomlin was talking about yesterday. Here's one

571
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: sneaky move the Steelers could make this offseason that I

572
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: would like to see trade Chokes a Corps for.

573
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because I actually thought of that as well.

574
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: He's under contract next season at four point seven five

575
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: million dollars. That is nothing for a right tack for

576
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: a guy who's maybe you drafted a guy this year

577
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: you decided you weren't going to start Chucks a Corps

578
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: for anymore. But he's twenty six years old, a lot

579
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: of starting experience. Four point seven five million dollars, you

580
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: can get a pick for him.

581
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: No, I don't think you cut him. I mean there's

582
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: a lot of guys I think are going to be

583
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 2: cut for financial reasons, maybe even brought back, who knows.

584
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 2: But I would not give him away from zero because

585
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 2: the position he plays, his age, his experience is the

586
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: ship sailed between him and the Steelers.

587
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: I mean, if to a degree, I think maybe it has.

588
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 2: Only a right I think he left.

589
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: You know, he did say, you know it is when

590
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: locker clean out day that if if he'd have known

591
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: that he was going to lose his starting job, you know,

592
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: here he wouldn't have signed to come back here. Okay,

593
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: so which is fine, Yeah, play better, but play better

594
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: I mean something. But that's a guy all on the staff.

595
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about the draft, yeah stuff, Yes,

596
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: if I could get I mean, what can he get

597
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: for for troops of corps for a fifth a He's

598
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: not the dots in green dump him. Just this is

599
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: a guy who's been a starting offensive tackle in the league.

600
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: I vehement, vehemently don't think you can get a Day

601
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: two pick. But if I would open up bidding with

602
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: the fourth yeah, like, if you're the Chiefs and you're

603
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 2: picking thirtieth in the fourth round, you win this week

604
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: or whatever. If you don't, you still picking late in

605
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: the round, and he's cheap. He's cheap. He's better than

606
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: the jokers you've been playing with.

607
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: Ye.

608
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 2: I mean, they could actually use a left more than right.

609
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,239
Speaker 2: But the Bengals. I know you I could tray him

610
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 2: the Bengals, But I mean there's ten teams that could

611
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 2: use a starting right tackle, if not more. You know

612
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: that he's maybe not an upgrade, but he's suitable.

613
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, well, let's say let's say you're the

614
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, Yeah, there you go. And you want to

615
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: move Paris Johnson to the left side. Yeah, yeah, and say, oh, well,

616
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: we don't want to have we don't want to have

617
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: to be we need to We need to spend all

618
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: of our draft capital, our high picks on our defense

619
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: North Carolina.

620
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean teams have a lot of money that

621
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: have a lot of holes on their offensive line. I

622
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: think you can get a pick for him.

623
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: I think you can get a pick for him as well.

624
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 2: I don't think he's just a cut see audios.

625
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: No, I think that would be you know, hang on

626
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: to him for a while only after Yeah, you don't

627
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: have to cut him, now, that's the that's the part

628
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: of this. And you could you know, he can save

629
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: by trading him eight point seventy five million, Yeah against

630
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: your cap.

631
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: Okay, Like I would bet if I put a chip down,

632
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 2: is he a Steeler on Opening Day next year? I'd

633
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 2: say no, I'd say no, yeah, right, I mean, but

634
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: I think you can get something for him.

635
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

636
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

637
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 1: And even if I have to carry that into these

638
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: draft or whatever. Yeah, somebody's going to go into the

639
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: draft saying we need to get an offensive tackle.

640
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: Right, and they're not going to get one. This is

641
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: such a good tackle draft. I'm not interested in chokes.

642
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 2: But there's not enough for everybody in the draft. I

643
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: mean there's somebody's gonna get short on the musical chairs

644
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 2: and then he calls Steelers up. You know, I'll take.

645
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: That for a fourth or yeah, that's that's that's like

646
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: having a quarterback. Yeah, it's like having an extra cornerback

647
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: that you want.

648
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 2: That's a great contract. I mean some of the contracts

649
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: they have, like they inherited the Allen Robinson contract knowing

650
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 2: he's probably not gonna be right, you know, like that's

651
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: why I didn't pay anything for him. You know, so

652
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: this one they chose to sign him at that deal

653
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 2: and it was a good one. You know, it's a

654
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Speaker 2: good contract.

655
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So that I mean, that's one chip that I

656
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: think that they can get something or if not, I

657
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: do too. If not a draft pick this year, then

658
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: a draft pick next year, or maybe you get it,

659
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: you know, trade him straight up, you know, players swap

660
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Speaker 1: somebody has an extra inside linebacker that you're like safety

661
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: or some safety or something like that.

662
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was thinking that as well. Or hey, I'll

663
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: give you a fifth and chooks to move into the

664
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Speaker 2: third round or you know, on draft day. Yeah, I

665
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Speaker 2: would get shout out on tackles. Let's do it, Yeah,

666
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, but I would dangle that out there

667
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: for sure.

668
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one move that they could certainly make here

669
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Speaker 1: because I do think, I mean, there's some value to him.

670
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, he started a lot of

671
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: games in the NFL and he's still only twenty six

672
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Speaker 1: years old.

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00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. Much worse tackles played this year than him. Oh yeah,

674
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: and every year, to be honest with Yeah, I mean

675
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Speaker 2: he may not be one of the best thirty two,

676
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: but he's one of the best sixty four and sixty

677
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: four play every week. Yeah, you know, so yeah, I

678
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: think he and financially it's not bad at all. Yeah.

679
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: How about the Houston Texans. Yeah, you know they start

680
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: they started Charles Leno.

681
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Speaker 2: Well because what's his face is hurt? They're not actually

682
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Speaker 2: a great one because.

683
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Speaker 1: Uh, but they were they were starting. They're two their

684
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: two best tackles started at left tackle and left guard.

685
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Speaker 1: Tunsil and the guy they drafted.

686
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Speaker 2: That's the name. I'm trying to think. I thought they

687
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: wanted him to be, is it Howard?

688
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Titus Howard he was.

689
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Speaker 2: He playing guard at the end. Yeah, okay, then they

690
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: do need a right tackle. Yeah, okay, well Miami, Miami,

691
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: it's a good one.

692
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm here in Armstead is going to retire on them too? Yeah,

694
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: Like there's plenty. I mean, there's a long list. I mean,

695
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there scanning the in my nogging right now.

696
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: How about the Giants and move Neil into the guard

697
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: or you know, I mean a lot of these teams

698
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: are that you're talking just throw him anywhere on the

699
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: Tennessee line, right, I mean, he's better than three of

700
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: their starters, right. There's a lot of those type of guys.

701
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, I think there's there's definitely some

702
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: value there. So that would be one move that that

703
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not something you do right away, but

704
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: something they.

705
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: Let the league know he can be had. Yeah, right, right,

706
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: and somebody's gonna call I can't come up with any

707
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: other names though that they're tradeable.

708
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I think you know you're not going

709
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: to trade herbig, No, Nate Herbig neither. Yeah, you're not

710
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: gonna give up your offensive line depth.

711
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: No, I think you're happy with overall right, right?

712
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: Right? But you have Spencer Anderson sitting there. Way, that's

713
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, that's the beauty of the quarters four thing

714
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: that you know, you think that. Okay, we've got some

715
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,719
Speaker 1: guys here that we've we've kept around all year long.

716
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: We kept on we like him.

717
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, even find close to play Dylan Dylan Yeah this year, right,

718
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: I was gonna say about that Ogin Jobi is kind

719
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: of an odd contract.

720
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Speaker 1: I think you.

721
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Speaker 2: I don't know that you'll get any thing for him,

722
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: but I know some people have thrown out is he

723
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: worth bringing back or is he worth cutting? I haven't

724
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: given that a ton of thought, and I think you

725
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: could probably make a case for both, because he's pretty pricey.

726
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: They've got a potential out after this year. Yeah, I

727
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: think he'd be seven million in dead cap if you

728
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: just cut him, if you just cut him this year.

729
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: Which the same as if you trade him, would imagine.

730
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Speaker 1: His base salary next year. I mean's he's I.

731
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Speaker 2: Don't think he's worth cutting.

732
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Speaker 1: The cap pits thirteen point in twenty twenty four, it's

733
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: ten point five next year.

734
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Speaker 2: Okay, you know, I don't know that. You know, I

735
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: have mixed feelings how to handle that room this offseason

736
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: because his contract's up, in Cam's contracts up after this year. Yeah,

737
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: and Cam, I don't know if we'll play past that.

738
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: Who knows. I really like Adams and I really like Watts.

739
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: Both are free agents. I'd love to bring them back

740
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: on like their current deals. But then all of a sudden,

741
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: Benton's like the only guy you can count on for years.

742
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.

743
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: I don't know Leal or Loudermilk or that guy. They'll be

744
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: in the mix to make the team.

745
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: I mean, louder Milk getting to the point in his

746
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: career where he's going to be a free agency after

747
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: next year.

748
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, like never am I in the camp of

749
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: don't draft one, but this is great.

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Speaker 1: It's not a good not a great defensive tackle drive.

751
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I always am in the camp of give

752
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: me a big guy on defense. But I might just

753
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: run this back for one year and then you're gonna

754
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: have a lot of needs. I mean, then you don't

755
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: want to have to. So I don't quite know how

756
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: to handle that.

757
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: I'd still draft one this year again at some point,

758
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 1: just to keep churning.

759
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: I'm always a believer in that. I mean, fifth round

760
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,239
Speaker 2: guy that has some upside and he could be, you know,

761
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: inactive until he's ready or that makes sense to me too.

762
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: But if you happen to give Watts and Adams a contract,

763
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: gets pretty full pretty quick. Yeah, I mean only keeps

764
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: six or seven of those guys.

765
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: But hey, you make you make guys like le Al

766
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: and Loudermilk, they gonna compete for a spot.

767
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: Maybe you get a pick for one of them. I

768
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: don't know, probably not at this point, you.

769
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: Know, I mean Loudermilk played so when they when they

770
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Speaker 1: they played a team that was heavier running the ball,

771
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: they played Loudermilk. Yeah, he was active. When they played

772
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: a team that was going to throw the ball a lot.

773
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: Lee Al was active. So you know, if they could

774
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: merge those guys into one player, maybe they'd have something. Yeah,

775
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: and you can't do it that way.

776
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: There weren't a lot of D line injuries to give

777
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: those guys a chance to step up because Watson, Adams

778
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: and those guys played well. So I don't know what

779
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: they think of those two, the young guys and louder

780
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: but they're not blowing in one's doors off. But I

781
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: don't know that they've given up on the meet.

782
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not bening, they're.

783
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: Not being right right.

784
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: You may second round pick on Ben.

785
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: Now. The owl wasn't cheap though, either.

786
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Three, here's a three.

787
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: But but he's also kind of a weird fit.

788
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson.

789
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Speaker 1: And Matt Bucky Brooks put together his all rookie team.

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Speaker 2: Check that out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, surprisingly, only one Steeler made.

802
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Speaker 2: It, Okay, are they just doing like twenty two guys?

803
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: And specialist position by position? So c j Stroud. Yeah,

804
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: he was the quarterback. That's that's easy.

805
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 2: But they have a runner up. I'm trying to think

806
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Speaker 2: he'd even be They did not. Wouldn't give it to Young,

807
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: You can't get it to Richardson, wouldn't give it to O'Connell.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe your maybe your favorite guy from uh Chicago.

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Speaker 2: M M T Bagger.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, running back it was Jamiir Gibbs and Devin A.

811
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Speaker 2: Chan. Yeah, I guess they get the nod over Bejeon

812
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Speaker 2: that you think I guess. I mean Chan missed a

813
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 2: lot of time. Gibbs was pretty good.

814
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: The Chan finished with eight hundred yards on like just

815
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: over one hundred carries.

816
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: I mean his yards for carries insane nuts. He's a

817
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: really good player.

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00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: Very much like uh Charles Jamal Charles.

819
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I'll be honest, I'm kind of rethinking some

820
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: scouting stuff or some prognostication, like I frankly thought of

821
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: Chan and Tank Dell were like too small, you know,

822
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: like I was just too prejudice against their size. But

823
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 2: in today's NFL, I mean both guys got hurt.

824
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Speaker 1: Guys.

825
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: That's more of a fantasy angle, but you know, when

826
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: they're out there they're pretty during good.

827
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, wide receiver, Pook and the Kua and Jordan Addison.

828
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: I guess I don't love Addison. I think people like

829
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: Addison more than I do. How about Read with the Packers.

830
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he had a much better a better

831
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: second half.

832
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyone else come to mind? I mean js N

833
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: was our favorite coming in. Didn't do a ton No, No,

834
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: he was okay, But it wasn't a bad year for receivers.

835
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: But I don't know anyone that shined. I mean obviously,

836
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 2: you know when like Peter I.

837
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: Mean tanked, Dell Will probably would have been would have

838
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: been on there if he doesn't if he keeps it up, Yeah, okay,

839
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: tight end with Sam Laporta.

840
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: Easily paid would win it.

841
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: Most gears yea offensive tackle Darnell Wright solid and Anton Harrison.

842
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: I can't go it.

843
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 2: Is he doing Repton right though?

844
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: He must have?

845
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: He must have, Yeah, because all the good ones were right,

846
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: they were Joey even Jones for the.

847
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Speaker 1: Brown parasl rof Is Rough.

848
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: I don't know any other left rookie left tackles have

849
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: played much though even Paris Johnson didn't play on the

850
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: left side. You mentioned that earlier. So all the good

851
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: guys got stuck on the right this year. Yeah, he

852
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: must be doing left right a guard.

853
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: It was Steve Aviva.

854
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: Easily, yeah, and Osyrus Torrance. Yeah, much more of a

855
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: run blocker for Torrence though.

856
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. The center John Michael Schmidt's.

857
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: Tipman started playing center late. Neither one of those, Yeah,

858
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: neither one was. I'm trying to think there has to

859
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: be a better center. But it wasn't a great draft.

860
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: Nobody went super high. They were the top two. Yeah,

861
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 2: I guess sometimes you said you have to do it

862
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: by default, you know.

863
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right on defense, the edge rushers Will Anderson and

864
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 1: Byron Young.

865
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Speaker 2: Yes and yes, yeah, yeah, they're both been quite good.

866
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: The interior, different guys, Kobe Turner and Jalen Carter.

867
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Speaker 2: I figured those two within Benton would be third. Yeah,

868
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: you know, I mean those guys played a lot more

869
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: snaps and Benton was all said done, although Carter was

870
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: getting benched and part of the problems.

871
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: He ended up playing like forty eight percent of their defensive.

872
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 2: When it was all said and done. Yeah, I mean

873
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: he had really good first half of the season, as

874
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: did the but he wore down a mess. Yeah.

875
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: I just don't know that he's ever going to be

876
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: a full time player.

877
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

878
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: Maybe that's you know, maybe he goes into this offseason

879
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: and really trains up. That was one of the problems

880
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: with both of the Georgia guys. Absolutely there were questions

881
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: about there.

882
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: And George is great. I mean they play a lot

883
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: of games, and but they got six.

884
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: Of those guys. Yeah, they got six and they just

885
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: rotate them in and out. Nobody in the NFL has that.

886
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: No, I mean I thought Washington and Jones wore down

887
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: for the Steelers really, you know late this year and

888
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: Washington would split with Bowers half the time. You know,

889
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: Jones is a one year starter. And the other thing

890
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: about the Georgia guys or Bama or whatever is, yeah,

891
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: they play SEC championship games and playoffs, which is tremendous

892
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: because they're not gonna get subed.

893
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: But they're also out out of the game in the

894
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: second half when they're playing you know, Jacksonville State.

895
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, or even like Mississippi, there's a lot of fourth quarters.

896
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: They don't play linebackers. I have in pace undrafted and undrafted.

897
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: I loved him and I never understood why he was

898
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: under I didn't I didn't get that.

899
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: I wonder if there was a medical we didn't know

900
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: about that.

901
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: Could be yeah.

902
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: Uh and Jack Campbell, I say Campbell was my defensive

903
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year pick, and he was not close.

904
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: I thought he struggled.

905
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: He had ninety five tackles, two sacks and five tackles

906
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: for a loss.

907
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: But he was out there a lot. I didn't think

908
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: he was great. I thought he'd be better than he

909
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: would be.

910
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's I mean part of that position. That's hard.

911
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: It's hard.

912
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: I mean first round guys in particular do not have

913
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: a high credit hard.

914
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 1: Why don't we ask one of the fans to do it?

915
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: Brutal cornerback Joey Devin Witherspoon and Joey Porter Jr.

916
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the clear too. Yeah. Yeah.

917
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: Gonzalez might have been. Yeah, he got off to a

918
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 1: good start, but he only played like four games.

919
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 2: I say he's not close to the number of snaps.

920
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

921
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to think some of the other banks

922
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: was a high pick. He played a fair amount, he

923
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: was good. I don't think Bland was a rookie, right,

924
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 2: I think he's the second year yeah, yeah, he would

925
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,479
Speaker 2: have been on if he if.

926
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: He had been a rookie this year, he wins the

927
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: defensive Rookie of the Year probably, there's no question. Nine

928
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: interceptions A.

929
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: Bunch of the house trying to think of some of

930
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 2: the other highly drafted corners were because it was a

931
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: good corner class.

932
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: The slot in was this the slot in Chicago?

933
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: I guess Banks are not calling a corner for the Lions.

934
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 2: I would call him a safety.

935
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you mean Branch Branch. He has Branch listed

936
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: as his nickelback.

937
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,479
Speaker 2: No, okay, perfect, Yeah, and he's a good one. Yeah,

938
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: all right, who the safeties?

939
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: The safeties are Jordan Battle and Antonio Johnson.

940
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: Not great, No, no, that's a bad group. Battle he's

941
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 2: the Bengal.

942
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah, I mean this wasn't a great safety.

943
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 2: No, it really wasn't. But it's kind of a cop out.

944
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: But I've heard a lot of Bengals people say the

945
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: safety changes hurt their defense more than anybody stresses. You know,

946
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: lou Amroumo, you know, it was a genius two years ago.

947
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: Now he's an idiot. He's probably somewhere in between, but

948
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: he does ask a lot. One of the beauty is

949
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: he has those guys doing so many different things, and

950
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: I think they like Hill, but I didn't think they

951
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: had liked to battle that much.

952
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would wouldn't be surprised if they tried to upgrade.

953
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: Down maybe a veteran. Yeahs better on the block.

954
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: Special teams. Kickers Brandon Aubrey, the punter Bryce Bearinger.

955
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 2: For who I don't even know, England, that's.

956
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: Their punter that they draft.

957
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we talked about yesterday and they got their kicker.

958
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. The kick returner is Marvin Mims pretty good.

959
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

960
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: So that's your all Bucky Brooks, all rookie team.

961
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: Great rookie class. I mean, Stroud's going to be remembered,

962
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 2: as you know.

963
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you've got c J. Stroud and if he

964
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: continues on on this path, it'll be this is c J.

965
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 1: Stroud Draft.

966
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah Yeah. But I mean, like maybe.

967
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: Will Anderson turns into that yet Carter Porter.

968
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: You know, I mean there's some of those dudes that

969
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: are already good players. I mean it's not a bad draft,

970
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: but it's not a great draft though.

971
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if Pooka Nakua continues down, I

972
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: mean there's and there's still this he had an all

973
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: time great rookie seasons.

974
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: A Flowers was the one I was thinking of of

975
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 2: other receivers. Yeah, I don't know if i'd take him

976
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 2: over Addison or not for the season.

977
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: That's questionable. Yeah, yeah, I get it.

978
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was another highly drafted one. But Quentin Johnston

979
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: was terrible. Yeah the first round. Remember there was like

980
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: four of them went right in a row. Sorry with

981
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: Smith and Jigba, and I think Smith and Jigba still

982
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 2: a chance be really good.

983
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: Pookin the Coupa reminds me of heinz Ward by the way.

984
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, you texted me that during their game, and boy,

985
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: they use them in a similar way.

986
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: Toughest could be walking into the line of scrimmage. He's

987
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: going over the middle, he's shaking, you know, throwing guys off.

988
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: He's bigger, but that type of runner after the catch, Yeah,

989
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: you know, just physical, gonna put his Steelers could use

990
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: a guy like that. Yeah, I mean he would be

991
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: the Alan Robinson, but just much more dynamic.

992
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: Younger and yeah, yeah, yeah, he's what Juju was when

993
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: Juju first came to the Steelers, and then the injuries

994
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 1: caught up with Juju.

995
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,479
Speaker 2: Now he's a home run. I mean, I mean he's

996
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: a Brady like draft. I mean, nobody's Brady, but you

997
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: go saying, i mean they hit a home run late

998
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 2: in the draft. But slots that don't have great forties,

999
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: that are physicals can be you'll get in the fifth

1000
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: round that'll help. Yeah, you know what I mean.

1001
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: I mean it was one hundred and seventy seventh overall.

1002
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: Pick in the draft, right, and maybe people start looking

1003
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 2: at it like, I mean, Cooper Cup was a third rounder.

1004
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: I mean, they're almost the same type of guy. But

1005
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: you can get the big, physical slot that isn't going

1006
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: to have a great combine fourth round. You know, Davis

1007
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: Steelers do that.

1008
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the Steelers got Juju in the second round.

1009
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, he was like the eleventh

1010
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: receiver taken that year.

1011
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 2: I mean they've obviously had success in mid to late

1012
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 2: rounds receivers overall.

1013
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: You know, and some of that is also the scheme.

1014
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: Well that's what the Rams were looking for, right, I

1015
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: mean they wanted a Cup type of guy. Yeah, you know,

1016
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: not everybody was interested in Nakua that way.

1017
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyways, let's get to another break. He is

1018
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lallie. You're listening to the Drive

1019
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: here on Steelers Nation Radio. That's going to do it

1020
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Speaker 1: for hour number one. We will be back with al

1021
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Speaker 1: Are number two of the Drive right after this