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Speaker 1: No formula for finding a franchise quarterback, and never more
Speaker 1: apparent than what we've seen this year. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the Giants have in Daniel Jones. You know, sometimes
Speaker 1: you find a bargain, sometimes you waste a high draft pick.
Speaker 1: Giants used a high draft pick on Daniel Jones. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they wasted a high draft pick on
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and then you find a bargain like Tom
Speaker 1: Brady and the Patriots did back in the day. But
Speaker 1: one thing's for sure, it's an elusive task to find
Speaker 1: your franchise quarterback. Not that many teams get it right.
Speaker 1: The Bucks did get it right, and they're a contender,
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl contender. The Giants in a different situation
Speaker 1: right now. They do play hard. They have to play
Speaker 1: hard because they're not a very good team. Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: has all the tools, he can run, throw, athleticism. Problem
Speaker 1: is can't avoid turnovers. You can't play the position if
Speaker 1: you can't avoid turnovers. Just ask Jameis Winston last night.
Speaker 1: Two costs interceptions in the two point laws. And it
Speaker 1: has to be frustrating for Giants fans because you watch
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones forcing things that he doesn't have to. Tom
Speaker 1: Brady and the Buccaneers didn't play great last night, but
Speaker 1: Brady took care of the football and sometimes that's the
Speaker 1: most important thing. And Jones is only in his second season,
Speaker 1: but the NFL is moving on quicker and quicker at
Speaker 1: this position. The fact that the Dolphins want to find
Speaker 1: out now if two a tongue of Ioloa is their
Speaker 1: quarterback for the future should tell you everything. Because they
Speaker 1: have the Texans draft pick this year, and if the
Speaker 1: Texans would somehow end up with the worst record in football,
Speaker 1: this second worst record in football, third or fourth, maybe
Speaker 1: there's a package deal. Maybe you go after Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: This is how teams are thinking. You think you got
Speaker 1: your franchise quarterback and you realize you don't. Chicago Bears
Speaker 1: thought they had their franchise quarterback, went up to get
Speaker 1: Mitchell Trubisky. The Bears they've done this before. This was
Speaker 1: one of those glaring mistakes and it's going to haunt
Speaker 1: them for a while. The Browns with Baker Mayfield, they
Speaker 1: don't know what they have with Baker Mayfield right now.
Speaker 1: But if you're trying to correct these mistakes and deliver
Speaker 1: on promise that the team saw in Daniel Jones when
Speaker 1: they drafted him in twenty nineteen. It better happened sooner
Speaker 1: because later they're probably going to take a quarterback. If
Speaker 1: they're up there again, they probably will. Mclevity got a
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Speaker 1: you're the Giants and let's say you have a top
Speaker 1: three pick, are you moving on from Daniel Jones? Sort
Speaker 1: of being discussed all throughout the media world right now.
Speaker 1: They would have the second pick overall, which means they'd
Speaker 1: have to decide on Daniel Jones or Justin Fields or
Speaker 1: trade it down. Yeah, Paul is the person who drafted
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, still employed by the New York Giants. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's along for the ride. Isn't that everything?
Speaker 1: Dave Getleman, Because if he goes another quarterback, then he's
Speaker 1: admitting a mistake. If there's a new GM before the draft,
Speaker 1: I would assume he goes in his own direction. I
Speaker 1: would think Gettlman, if he's still there, is staying with
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. That would be my gut feeling. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you trade the pick. I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen at the top of the draft. I
Speaker 1: don't know who's going to go all in and you
Speaker 1: know what it will take to get up to number
Speaker 1: two or number one. But if Dave Getlman is still
Speaker 1: the GM, I don't think that he wants to give
Speaker 1: up on his quarterback. Yes, McLeman. Do you think the
Speaker 1: Giants really stay around the one two win thing though
Speaker 1: they're so close? I mean, they should have four wins
Speaker 1: now well, being in the NFC East, it feels like
Speaker 1: they're going to accidentally pick up a couple of wins.
Speaker 1: Then they might end up with four wins this year.
Speaker 1: You know, Jacksonville, Houston, obviously, the Jets, Dallas, Washington, I mean,
Speaker 1: all of these, there's teams, but I don't think anybody's
Speaker 1: worse as worse off as the Jets are right now.
Speaker 1: The Giants play hard said that yesterday they play hard.
Speaker 1: They could have taken this to overtime. And you know,
Speaker 1: there's controversy at the end of the game. And Joe Judge,
Speaker 1: the Giants head coach, he makes sure that he compliments
Speaker 1: the official in a way because he was critical. He
Speaker 1: was in an official's face after the no call. So
Speaker 1: they call pass interference on the two point conversion with
Speaker 1: Dion Lewis and Antoine Winfield Junior. And here's Joe Judge
Speaker 1: after the game on the official making the right call.
Speaker 1: Nate made the right call when he threw the flag,
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure why I got picked up. We
Speaker 1: had a pretty good view. I know they can't use
Speaker 1: a jumbo trons to replay. We had a pretty clear
Speaker 1: view of that as well, you know, but I thought
Speaker 1: Nate made the right call the first time. I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, normally your first instinct is the right one.
Speaker 1: So Nate is Nate Jones, he was the field judge.
Speaker 1: And then they huddle up and there's no replay to
Speaker 1: look at like they're just huddling up. That's where I
Speaker 1: think that the home office is in their ear to say,
Speaker 1: you know what, we're looking at this from about four
Speaker 1: different angles here and I think we could pick up
Speaker 1: that flag. Let's go home. It was one of those
Speaker 1: is it enough to overturn the call? That's what I thought.
Speaker 1: It was, bang bang, and I understood. I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: called pass interference. I thought it was really really close.
Speaker 1: If Winfield doesn't get his arm on the ball, then
Speaker 1: Dion Lewis probably catches it. He didn't have his he
Speaker 1: wasn't even facing the quarterback. It was kind of blindly
Speaker 1: putting his arm out there and he made contact with
Speaker 1: his body. To me, that's sort of part of jostling
Speaker 1: for position, and I'm not trying to you know, Hey,
Speaker 1: they threw a flag to bail out Daniel Jones. It
Speaker 1: was a bad throw. He lacks anticipation and he should
Speaker 1: have thrown that probably two seconds earlier. And it's not
Speaker 1: an issue there and they go into overtime. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have called it. I thought it was I thought it
Speaker 1: was okay. But I think the NFL has to have,
Speaker 1: you know, complete transparency. The NFL. If you you know,
Speaker 1: whenever there's doubt, just throw a flag and then you
Speaker 1: let the Home office help you here. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what's happening now. But I'm okay with getting the
Speaker 1: call right. I just you know, these officials on the field,
Speaker 1: it feels like they're just going just throw the flag,
Speaker 1: and then they wait, they huddle up, and then they
Speaker 1: wait for somebody to speak into their headset to say,
Speaker 1: you know what, you can pick that up. That's not
Speaker 1: past interference, or hey, there was enough there, you know,
Speaker 1: let's let it stand. Yeah, McLevin. Two questions. If Tom
Speaker 1: Brady had thrown that pass, would that flag had been
Speaker 1: picked up? And if there are fans in the crowd,
Speaker 1: eighty thousand people screaming in that stadium, would they have
Speaker 1: picked it up. I think there's are both legitimate questions
Speaker 1: to ask. Brady probably gets the call, if the fans
Speaker 1: are there, The Giants probably get the call. You know,
Speaker 1: you got this antiseptic, this sterile environment there, and it's
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones And it was a poorly thrown pass, and
Speaker 1: I think because of that they gave Antoine Winfield a
Speaker 1: little more room there that it was thrown, you know,
Speaker 1: back shoulder behind him, and I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: had he thrown it correctly, then there was no issue.
Speaker 1: He sort of made it a closer call by the
Speaker 1: fact that it was a bad pass. Yeah, Paul did
Speaker 1: the money and that football sound guy pump in fake
Speaker 1: sound of Giants fans booing when the call was overturned.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear that. It was light as muted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't hear that either. Did anybody think it was
Speaker 1: pass interference? Nicklev and you would have let it stand, Okay.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with anything you said. It was super
Speaker 1: bang bang, But I thought that his body got in
Speaker 1: the way, like that's what they call pass interference. It
Speaker 1: was a terrible throw and the receiver was coming back
Speaker 1: and he ran into the defender basically, But that's kind
Speaker 1: of what pass interfairs is it? But it was so
Speaker 1: bag bag. I think the hands. That's always the great
Speaker 1: indicator for me. Where are your hands and what are
Speaker 1: they doing? And I thought that if he made contact
Speaker 1: with his chest and he didn't have his hand, he
Speaker 1: didn't hook him and he had his arm out. I mean,
Speaker 1: he got lucky because he deflected it. But if you
Speaker 1: want to play the conspiracy theory, if you're the NFL,
Speaker 1: don't you want overtime Tom Brady and overtime against the Giants.
Speaker 1: So these people say, oh, you know what, they didn't
Speaker 1: want to give the call. You know, they don't want
Speaker 1: to give the call to uh. They wanted Brady to win.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, if I'm the NFL, I how many
Speaker 1: more commercial breaks do I get? Four? Or five? And overtime? Yeah,
Speaker 1: MC club, you were into the eleventh I think he
Speaker 1: might have been passed the window on the East coast,
Speaker 1: which was watching the Giants in the bus, but the
Speaker 1: other everyone was tweeting, Oh, they want Tom in the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. That was a popular Twitter conspiracy theory. Well,
Speaker 1: and that I do to be great. Anybody else think
Speaker 1: it was past interference? Yeah, and you know Jones made
Speaker 1: a bad pass. I think he because of that. It
Speaker 1: made it a little easier for the official to go.
Speaker 1: You know, Lewis is coming sort of back into him
Speaker 1: as well, and you know he was he was at
Speaker 1: least one second one and a half two seconds late
Speaker 1: in releasing that ball. He lacks that anticipation and you
Speaker 1: see that where he's I'm waiting for you to be open.
Speaker 1: In the NFL, you throw it and then they get open.
Speaker 1: It's not you're open I'm throwing because if you do
Speaker 1: it that way, he won't be open by the time
Speaker 1: you throw it. Yeah, mclovin. What other thing, Remember that
Speaker 1: face guarding you should be called pi when to me,
Speaker 1: I thought that was a big deal when he doesn't
Speaker 1: look at the ball to usually throw a flat but
Speaker 1: he didn't face guard him right right, And they actually
Speaker 1: change that face guarding is now legal as long as
Speaker 1: you don't interfere, you can. I'd ever understand real quick
Speaker 1: holding question? What is whole being? And is it only
Speaker 1: when the defensive guy slipped on the field that they
Speaker 1: call it? To me, I still don't. I never understand holding.
Speaker 1: You're talking about offensive hold? Offensive holding on the line.
Speaker 1: It feels like the same block every time they just
Speaker 1: randomly decide to throw it. Or am I crazy? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Offensive holding is now only called when the defensive lineman
Speaker 1: kind of looks like he's been shot or pulled and
Speaker 1: or his jersey is completely being pulled from his body
Speaker 1: where we if we could see it clearly at home
Speaker 1: without replay. That's when it gets called down, which is
Speaker 1: a great thing. Remember how much we complained about holding
Speaker 1: last year? They said no more. Well, we complain and
Speaker 1: then Brady complained and then they stopped calling holding. You
Speaker 1: put us together with Brady pre lawsuit. Yes, set Jason
Speaker 1: Pierre Paul was able to get one of those calls
Speaker 1: last night where he's like running through the line and
Speaker 1: then got and all of a sudden, it was like
Speaker 1: somebody yanked him back and went down and they're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know it was really hit quite that much,
Speaker 1: but it was. It was the cell that really got it.
Speaker 1: It's like the scene out of Platoon with William Dafoe
Speaker 1: at the very end of the movie when he gets
Speaker 1: shot slow motion. The Giants though in close games. Man,
Speaker 1: they played four straight games decided by four points or less.
Speaker 1: They've lost three of those four. It's only the fifth
Speaker 1: time in their history they've had this kind of streak
Speaker 1: this long in a single season. So they aren't playing hard.
Speaker 1: They kept it close, and I thought it was saying
Speaker 1: more about the Buccaneers. I expected the Giants to be
Speaker 1: tough at home, believe it or not. You know, this
Speaker 1: is Brady at the Meadowlands, and I didn't think they
Speaker 1: looked crisp anything, you know, out of the ordinary. I
Speaker 1: thought that there was like, okay, and you got to
Speaker 1: win these games. But they were very close to losing
Speaker 1: that game. Here is Tom Brady after the game. The
Speaker 1: interceptions were huge for us, and then defense really helped
Speaker 1: us out getting getting a few interceptions and then the touchdown.
Speaker 1: A Gronky made a great catch because they ball got
Speaker 1: tipped at the line of scrimmage. He had great concentration
Speaker 1: on that, and then Mike's was an incredible catch. So
Speaker 1: those guys are making a lot of plays. We obviously
Speaker 1: didn't play. We're capable tonight, but it's still good to
Speaker 1: go get a win. And we'll talk to Tony Dungee
Speaker 1: about this NBC Sports, the Hall of Fame coach. Yes,
Speaker 1: set just a piggyback off of Andrew's earlier thoughts. If
Speaker 1: Tom Brady wasn't the quarterback of Tampa Bay and this
Speaker 1: is a one o'clock game on Sunday, would we be
Speaker 1: talking about this final play? No, But we know what's
Speaker 1: at stake here with the Buccaneer. What's the Giants? I
Speaker 1: mean the Giants and Daniel Jones. Have you seen enough
Speaker 1: where you go? Yep, Daniel Jones is our franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's making mistakes that are normal or this used to
Speaker 1: be normal with younger quarterbacks, and he does have athleticism there.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can teach him how not
Speaker 1: to force the ball and have some anticipation and not
Speaker 1: fumble like these are really big issues. That's why Jamis
Speaker 1: Winston needed to go back to school, quarterbacking school, and
Speaker 1: that's what he's doing in New Orleans. Because I do
Speaker 1: think he's a starting quarterback in the NFL. I just
Speaker 1: don't think his approach sometimes is smart. You're forcing things
Speaker 1: and you can't force it. In the NFL. Brett Farve
Speaker 1: did it and made a Hall of Fame career out
Speaker 1: of it. Very very few quarterbacks and Brett Farve threw
Speaker 1: more interceptions than anybody in the history of the sport.
Speaker 1: You can't force it, and I think that what you
Speaker 1: saw with Daniel Jones last night, he was trying to
Speaker 1: make something happen. Yeah, point and Farve kind of reminds
Speaker 1: me of like Carson Wentz. We're talking about him yesterday.
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz has all the negatives that Farv had, but
Speaker 1: he doesn't have as many positives. He kind of did
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. And I know his team
Speaker 1: is not that good, his line's not that good, but
Speaker 1: Wentz and Farv had more upside, more consistent upside. It
Speaker 1: feels like than Carson Wentz has, at least lately. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's another issue. You look at the Eagles with Carson Wentz.
Speaker 1: Where are they with Carson Wentz? Now we're looking at
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers with Jimmy Garoppolo, and Jimmy Garoppolo
Speaker 1: played his last down it, you know, with the San
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers, right, I don't know, but it
Speaker 1: feels like we're getting to those like Cam Newton. People
Speaker 1: wanted Cam to get an extension after week two. Now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like, well they only paid
Speaker 1: him a million. That's good. Patriots going to be in
Speaker 1: the market for a quarterback? Are the Eagles gonna go
Speaker 1: with Jalen Hursts? Eventually? The Bears are going to go
Speaker 1: back to Mitchell Trubisky. That's why when we made this argument,
Speaker 1: or this argument kind of surfaced about who's more important
Speaker 1: to the Patriots and their success, Bill Belichick or Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: And I think I go back and forth. And then
Speaker 1: the more I think about it, the more I go,
Speaker 1: if you don't have a franchise quarterback, I don't care
Speaker 1: who your coach is. When you have that franchise quarterback,
Speaker 1: he will bail you out, because whatever you do prior
Speaker 1: to the game, in drafts and free agencies, this is
Speaker 1: the guy who has to make it happen on the field.
Speaker 1: Unless you have the Steel Curtain, the Purple People leaders,
Speaker 1: the Fearsome Forsom, or the Ravens with Dilfer's your quarterback,
Speaker 1: it's really hard to win that way, and especially now.
Speaker 1: And that's why I look at what Brady has done.
Speaker 1: Brady with the Buccaneers is going to be a difference
Speaker 1: maker and they're going to be a Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 1: Brady in New England is still better than Cam Newton
Speaker 1: in New England for a variety of reasons. The biggest
Speaker 1: problem I have with the Patriots has been Bill Belichick's
Speaker 1: inability to draft. Look at the last couple of drafts
Speaker 1: that's on Bill Belichick, and had he made a couple
Speaker 1: of good draft picks, then they wouldn't be in this position.
Speaker 1: They would have some skill position players. Nikkil Harry has
Speaker 1: been a bust. They did get Chandler Jones, which was
Speaker 1: a great draft pick, but look at Bill's drafts. That's
Speaker 1: the reason why they're in this situation. He talked about
Speaker 1: they went all in to win those Super Bowls if
Speaker 1: you draft well at the end of the Ravens are
Speaker 1: the Ravens because are great, they play in the postseason,
Speaker 1: they've won a Super Bowl, and they're able to get
Speaker 1: good draft picks late in the first round. Kansas City Chiefs,
Speaker 1: you get a good draft pick at the end of
Speaker 1: the first round. That's the difference. And I think Bill
Speaker 1: has done a terrible job with his draft picks the
Speaker 1: last four years. That's why they're in this position right now.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll take a break. WHOA, Yeah, it's fact.
Speaker 1: It is fact. With you know who he's drafted. You
Speaker 1: know they've done well. You know they got some guys,
Speaker 1: you know, the mccordy's and stuff on Gilmore. But this
Speaker 1: was about Brady keeping things together, at least in my opinion,
Speaker 1: because Bill didn't do his job. Therefore Tom didn't want
Speaker 1: to stay. There's no skill position players. If Tom has
Speaker 1: skill position players, Tom is probably still there because football
Speaker 1: would be fun to him in New England in spite
Speaker 1: of dealing with Bill Belichick. Tony Dungee will join us.
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Speaker 1: the Peacock Act. Did we settle on a poll question,
Speaker 1: McLevin before we get to Tony Dungee? Oh? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: put up there if the Giants did end up with
Speaker 1: a top three pick. Oh, day draft a quarterback just
Speaker 1: to start with, man, we have sped up the process
Speaker 1: of deciding if a quarterback can be a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. This maybe goes back to Josh Rosen, where
Speaker 1: you go, No, we're done. Let's bringing Kyler Murray, the
Speaker 1: Bears with Mitchell Trubisky waiting a little bit longer, the
Speaker 1: Browns with Baker Mayfield. The fact the Dolphins want to
Speaker 1: find out if Tua can play right now in case
Speaker 1: they get a really high draft pick. Yeah, mccleven, Zepp
Speaker 1: Harley rookie salary cap, and you can't afford when you
Speaker 1: get that rookie salary at that position. That's where you
Speaker 1: can build around a quarterback, it can't be usually the
Speaker 1: other way around. He's the Hall of Fame coach and
Speaker 1: BC Football Night in America joining us on the program.
Speaker 1: Good to see again, Tony. Let me start there. When
Speaker 1: did we start to speed up the process of when
Speaker 1: we evaluate a quarterback whether he can be your franchise
Speaker 1: quarterback or nine. Well, I think it really has been
Speaker 1: in the last ten years, maybe since since I left,
Speaker 1: because I know that was a situation where you drafted
Speaker 1: a guy and you had to see it. I went
Speaker 1: to TAPP in nineteen ninety six, Trent Dilford had been
Speaker 1: there two years and Richmond k Part of the deal was, Hey,
Speaker 1: we've got to see if this number six pick in
Speaker 1: the draft can pad out. So you aren't going to
Speaker 1: be evaluated until we find that out. You're not going
Speaker 1: to be evaluated as a coach. But we've got to
Speaker 1: find out. And that was our game plan for two
Speaker 1: years and it seems like we haven't left that. If
Speaker 1: I get a chance to another guy, and this guy
Speaker 1: is a more solid franchise quarterback, let's go. You have
Speaker 1: to have a quarterback to win, there's no question about that.
Speaker 1: But some of these guys need some time, Dad to progress.
Speaker 1: But have you seen enough of Daniel Jones? No, I
Speaker 1: haven't because I see sometimes like last night, where gosh,
Speaker 1: you missed a couple of easy touchdown passes, you end
Speaker 1: up throwing the interceptions when we had everything set up.
Speaker 1: But then I saw some other games. I saw last
Speaker 1: year he played a beautiful game against the Bucks and
Speaker 1: beat them, So you're gonna have a little bit of that.
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning was I think four years in the league
Speaker 1: when we got there to Indianapolis, and he had a
Speaker 1: five hundred record. So let's not say that you know
Speaker 1: in two years you're going to see everything you need
Speaker 1: to see. That play at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: the call on the field and then they picked up
Speaker 1: the flag, What would you have done? I don't like
Speaker 1: that because John Perry said, well, pass in affairence has
Speaker 1: to be clear and obvious. Well, the official knew that
Speaker 1: when he threw the flag. He knows the rule for
Speaker 1: pass interference. So I have to see clear and obvious
Speaker 1: before I throw the flag. I throw it, and then
Speaker 1: someone else tells, you know, that's not really clear and obvious.
Speaker 1: The offensive pass interference on toy Lolo was the same
Speaker 1: thing was that clear and obvious. No, we had a
Speaker 1: conversation about that. Same thing happened in the Green Bay
Speaker 1: Minnesota game. They picked up a flag, there was clearly penterference,
Speaker 1: it was thrown, and then somehow the flag gets picked up.
Speaker 1: So no, I don't like those. It feels like, when
Speaker 1: in doubt, throw the flag and then let the home
Speaker 1: office of the NFL officials get in touch with you
Speaker 1: and say, you know what picked the flag up or no,
Speaker 1: that is pass interference. As a coach, do you have
Speaker 1: a problem if the officials on the field are probably
Speaker 1: not making the final decision on some of these calls.
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem if it goes that way
Speaker 1: the whole time. If that's our system, let's do that.
Speaker 1: But the two bogus holding penalties that they had earlier
Speaker 1: in the game, letting the home office look at that
Speaker 1: and say, hey, you know what, that really wasn't holding.
Speaker 1: If we're going to do that on everything, great, but
Speaker 1: don't just do it on the last play of the
Speaker 1: game when five other players could have made a difference
Speaker 1: as well. So if we're gonna do it, let's do
Speaker 1: it all the time. What kind of questions remain for
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers and Brady. I think it's a matter of
Speaker 1: timing and just consistency in building that you see Tom
Speaker 1: looks so much more comfortable, He's got a better connection.
Speaker 1: My question is we saw how long it took with Gronk.
Speaker 1: Gron took a year off and the first part of
Speaker 1: the season. What was everybody that said, oh, Gron's not
Speaker 1: the same time, doesn't have that with him? And now
Speaker 1: we're seeing that connection after eight or nine weeks and
Speaker 1: Tony o'brown has been off how many years? A year
Speaker 1: and a half. Now, how long is it going to
Speaker 1: take to get that connection with him? And everybody says, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he looks great and he's in shape. But Tom Brady
Speaker 1: is going to need to see him come out of routes.
Speaker 1: How is he going to run this route against this
Speaker 1: What are we going to do? And so is it
Speaker 1: going to take another six weeks to get adjusted to
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown? I think they've got a great team right
Speaker 1: now and I hope this this kind of experiment with
Speaker 1: Antonio doesn't set that back a little bit. Would you
Speaker 1: have brought him in I probably wouldn't have because I
Speaker 1: would have wanted to hear some contrition First, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: and I'm different now and I've changed. I believe in
Speaker 1: second chances, you know that, Dan, But I also believe
Speaker 1: people need to repent and say, you know what I
Speaker 1: was wrong. So yeah, what I did in New England,
Speaker 1: what I did in Oakland, what I did in Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: that was wrong. What I've done, and I've been out,
Speaker 1: I've missed the game, and I want to come back
Speaker 1: and I'm going to change. If I hear that, then
Speaker 1: I'm all for it. But I haven't heard that yet.
Speaker 1: What team are you all in on right now? Nobody?
Speaker 1: I think everybody has some issues, Rodney Harrison. I had
Speaker 1: this debate on Sunday night. Oh, Kansas City, you know
Speaker 1: they're the team to be. Well, Kansas City has some
Speaker 1: defensive issues as well. I love their offense and where
Speaker 1: they're going, but I see some of those things creep up.
Speaker 1: And Pittsburgh is undefeated, but we see leads being blown.
Speaker 1: I saw coverages where I couldn't understand what was happening.
Speaker 1: Nobody's around Willie Sneed and so that's not great. But
Speaker 1: then you see the plays that they make to make
Speaker 1: things happen. So yeah, they've got a lot of talented guys.
Speaker 1: I love their receiving corps. Now, I love Ben being
Speaker 1: in control, but they've they've got some issues. So I
Speaker 1: think that's just where we are. Fundamental football, time management,
Speaker 1: all those things that we've lost that dealing with this
Speaker 1: pandemic and not practicing. So I think somebody's going to
Speaker 1: emerge here in the next few weeks, but we're still
Speaker 1: in that discovery phase. I think he's the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame coach Tony Dungee on loan from NBC Football Night
Speaker 1: in America, it feels like the game is all about offense.
Speaker 1: You can't have too much offen The Seahawks wanting to
Speaker 1: get more offense in there, Kansas City using their draft
Speaker 1: pick to get more offense in there. Is that where
Speaker 1: we are right now in the NFL that you know,
Speaker 1: can you build a defensive minded team that is a
Speaker 1: super Bowl contender? I don't think in this salary cap
Speaker 1: era and the way you have to do it, there's
Speaker 1: not going to be a legion of boom that leads
Speaker 1: a team to a chairmanship. With defensive play. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have some good defenders. You're going to have a defense
Speaker 1: that helps you win, but you got to have a quarterback,
Speaker 1: you gotta have an offense that can score. And I
Speaker 1: think if I were coaching now, I would go down
Speaker 1: that road. Hey, I do I want Antonio Brown to
Speaker 1: add to my three other playmaking receivers because the more
Speaker 1: I can score, the better off we're going to be.
Speaker 1: The rules say that everything lends itself to that. And
Speaker 1: when you have to decide how to spend your money,
Speaker 1: who you're going to pay. You need to pay those
Speaker 1: offensive guys, no doubt. But when you had Peyton, did
Speaker 1: pay always want you to draft an offensive player? No,
Speaker 1: not necessarily, but we we did. That's one of the
Speaker 1: things Bill Poland told me. We're always going to feed
Speaker 1: the monster. So you got on defense. You gotta make
Speaker 1: it work. We gotta get guys like Robert Mathis in
Speaker 1: the fourth round who are great players, but it comes
Speaker 1: down the line in the first round. I remember, boy,
Speaker 1: there was a mock draft and everybody saying my second
Speaker 1: year there we got to go defense, and Bill said, hey,
Speaker 1: Dallas Clark is going to help us win championship. We
Speaker 1: gotta take him. We were number twenty seven, twenty six
Speaker 1: on defense, and we fed the monster and Joseph Die
Speaker 1: and We kept doing that, and we got enough offensive guys.
Speaker 1: We had to find the defensive guys, and we got
Speaker 1: some guys kind of under the radar, but offense was
Speaker 1: going to win it for us. And I think we're
Speaker 1: even farther along in that now in this era. What
Speaker 1: would you do with Jimmy Garoppolo if you're the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers? I think I would stay with him. And
Speaker 1: he's played some games where you know that that stretched
Speaker 1: last year when there was as good as anybody in
Speaker 1: football when they run the football and when they're playing defense,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo is very good. And there's a lot of
Speaker 1: quarterbacks like that. So I've got one that I know
Speaker 1: can take me to a super Bowl. I think I
Speaker 1: would stay with it. But you've got to have that
Speaker 1: that core around him, no doubt. But if you're Bill Belichick,
Speaker 1: would you at least inquire about trading Garoppolo back to
Speaker 1: New England? No, Because I think when you let him go,
Speaker 1: that told me something right there. If I thought Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garoppolo was the next Tim Brady, I'm not letting him
Speaker 1: go no matter what anybody says or what happens. So
Speaker 1: that that gave me a little buyer. Beware when they
Speaker 1: let him go to New England. Doesn't let good players
Speaker 1: just go for free. Hey, I don't want to do
Speaker 1: your favorite San Francisco. He's a really great quarterback. Good
Speaker 1: luck no that you know. He had some concerns and
Speaker 1: I don't know what those were, but I think that
Speaker 1: ship is sale well. I don't think Tom wanted the
Speaker 1: competition there. I don't know about that. Even if that's true,
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick doesn't care about people's feelings. Okay, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people that had suggestions for how they should
Speaker 1: do things, and Belichick is going to do it his way.
Speaker 1: And if he really thought it will make this work. Tom.
Speaker 1: If Jimmy Garoppolo is the heir apparent, he's the next
Speaker 1: You're forty years old and I know that you've been
Speaker 1: with me and we won all these Super Bowls, But
Speaker 1: this guy can give me the five more super Bowls
Speaker 1: in the next ten years. I think your feelings are
Speaker 1: gonna have to get hurt. Tom, How long do you
Speaker 1: stay with Cam Newton. I think you righte it out
Speaker 1: this year. You built this around a running attack and
Speaker 1: all of those things, and this is the way you
Speaker 1: can win. Maybe you can turn it around and get
Speaker 1: it going. If not, you know you're not going to
Speaker 1: be able to go to Jared's. Did him and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden turn this into a drop back? You
Speaker 1: need to find out if he can play tone or
Speaker 1: do you think Belichick knows what he has in jared'stid him?
Speaker 1: I think he kind of understands that, otherwise he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have gone out to get Cam Newton. M Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that again. When you made that move, that told me, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like Jared Stidham, but I'm not sold on him yet,
Speaker 1: you know, and you had edgerin James, who's a Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer. But I wonder about that position as we
Speaker 1: move forward. You know, you have to be pretty much
Speaker 1: a guy who can run but also catch the ball
Speaker 1: out of the backfield. Where where do you place your
Speaker 1: priorities on your running back in the draft? I think
Speaker 1: you you look at what people have done. Look at
Speaker 1: San Francisco, if they could put Deebo Samuel back there
Speaker 1: and make yards and run the ball well, and you
Speaker 1: look at Kansas City and guys we thought, oh, Lashan
Speaker 1: McCoy and then he kind of got nicked up and
Speaker 1: Damian Williams went in there and now he's opted out,
Speaker 1: and what are we gonna do with draft Clyde Edwards
Speaker 1: Hilaire And you know, we kind of went through that
Speaker 1: with Edger. Bill Poland came to me, I'll never forget it,
Speaker 1: d And he said, you know, we can pay Edgerin.
Speaker 1: He deserves it. He's a great player. He's been the
Speaker 1: heart and soul of us. But if we sign him
Speaker 1: to what he is going to command, we're not going
Speaker 1: to be able to resign Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark
Speaker 1: and Dwight Freeney. So the better way to go would
Speaker 1: be to let Edgerin go. We'll draft the young running back,
Speaker 1: We'll get them at the rookie rate, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: get Maurice Jones, Drew or Joseph died And that's exactly
Speaker 1: what happened. So you know, I think that's the way
Speaker 1: you go down the road. You say, hey, if I'm
Speaker 1: I'm Kansas City, yeah, I'd love to have that great back,
Speaker 1: but you know what, I'll get one. I'll get one
Speaker 1: in the draft. Would you trade for J. J. Watt?
Speaker 1: Would you trade him? If you're the Texans? I might
Speaker 1: think about it now. Depending on what I could get,
Speaker 1: because my season and next year is going to be
Speaker 1: a rebuilding year and I don't have high draft choices.
Speaker 1: So as painful as it would be, and you're giving
Speaker 1: up a big time playmaker to recoup some of that
Speaker 1: and to be able to build my offense, I might
Speaker 1: have to think about it. I don't know what he's worth.
Speaker 1: That's a second maybe a third round pick. Do you
Speaker 1: even get that? For JJ Watt? You might get a
Speaker 1: second and somebody like Seattle, Now they got Carlos Dunlop.
Speaker 1: But if JJ Watt were dangling out there and you thought, man,
Speaker 1: I can get to the Super Bowl, that one guy
Speaker 1: who can rush the passer, maybe get that one sack
Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship game that I need you, you'd
Speaker 1: think about that. We did that Booger McFarlane. We needed
Speaker 1: a run stopping nose tackle. We had a lot of
Speaker 1: injuries up front, and we said, hey, second round pick.
Speaker 1: I know Booger, he can fit in the system. And
Speaker 1: he played great for us and helped us win a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Was it worth the second rounder? You bet
Speaker 1: it was. It's great to talk to you again. Hope
Speaker 1: things are well with the family. There and my best
Speaker 1: to everybody on football night, no matter all right, sounds good, DP,
Speaker 1: Always great to talk to you. That's Tony Dungee, Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame head coach. We'll come back. We got our
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Speaker 1: on NBC Sports. I was talking about Bill Belichick, and
Speaker 1: you know, Belichick said that they sold out, they did
Speaker 1: everything they could to win these Super Bowls. He had
Speaker 1: this to say yesterday, we take him in a million dollars.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's obviously we didn't have any money. It's
Speaker 1: nobody's fall. That's I mean, that's what we did the
Speaker 1: last five years. We sold out and won three Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: played in the fourth, and played in an AFC Championship game.
Speaker 1: This year, we had less to work with. Sto an excuse,
Speaker 1: it's just a fact. He's referring to the team's salary
Speaker 1: cap issues. That's courtesy of WI The Patriots first six
Speaker 1: picks from last year's draft, who started a grand till
Speaker 1: of two games for the Patriots this season. People talk
Speaker 1: about the Patriots skilled positions how bad they were last year.
Speaker 1: They took two skilled position guys in the draft, a
Speaker 1: pair of tight ends who have one catch between them.
Speaker 1: A Patriot tight end the total of tight ends have
Speaker 1: ten total receptions this season, last among all teams. They
Speaker 1: do not have a touchdown reception by a tight end
Speaker 1: all this year. But you got to go back even
Speaker 1: further than this, that they have whipped on first and
Speaker 1: second round picks. You know, Chandler Jones was very good,
Speaker 1: but I don't know how many of those draft picks
Speaker 1: are still with the team. Nikkil Harry's not going to
Speaker 1: be there for much longer. And I think people looked
Speaker 1: at did they get the right guy you want, Sony
Speaker 1: Michelle or Nick Chubb, and they took Sony Michelle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mick club. Also sorry if you mentioned the Mohammed's a
Speaker 1: nude deal last year, they missed you. He's really bad
Speaker 1: at particularly wide receiver too. But let's say they had
Speaker 1: a couple of skills. Let's say they got a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: One are these wide receivers in the last couple years,
Speaker 1: Then you know that's a difference maker. They could have
Speaker 1: taken DK Metcalf. Now, granted it's it's hindsight here, but
Speaker 1: they're the ones doing all their research. They would know
Speaker 1: if DK Metcalf can play or not. A lot of
Speaker 1: teams passed on him, in fairness to the Patriots, but
Speaker 1: they've missed on these skill position players. You have no
Speaker 1: tight end running back situation. You have good running backs,
Speaker 1: you don't have a great running back, not that you
Speaker 1: need it, but if you're gonna take one high like
Speaker 1: they did with Sony Michelle, did you get the right
Speaker 1: running back? And then they whipped on Nickiel Harry, completely
Speaker 1: whipped to the point where Tom didn't even want to
Speaker 1: throw the ball to him if the play was called in.
Speaker 1: Tom did not want to throw the ball to Nikiel Harry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ball also now and going forward. It was a cool
Speaker 1: place to play when Tom Brady was a quarterback. But
Speaker 1: you know, you hear guys like Chris Long they got
Speaker 1: a dodge fast once they got their ring. That doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like a place where free agents are going to
Speaker 1: go to and they're not going to spend for them
Speaker 1: because I don't know if anyone wants to have that
Speaker 1: style of coaching where it's not fun. Well, you'll go
Speaker 1: if you a chance to win a ring. But now
Speaker 1: you don't have a chance to win a ring. Who's
Speaker 1: going to want to go there? And if you're going
Speaker 1: to base this off well Bill, he'll make this up
Speaker 1: in the draft. That's not the case. And then if
Speaker 1: you're not getting free agents there, who's your quarterback? You
Speaker 1: don't have skill position players. Is Stephan Gilmour there much longer?
Speaker 1: The McCardy brothers, I'm not quite sure. But look, Bill
Speaker 1: went all in getting Cam for a bargain, and I
Speaker 1: think that they've come to the realization they're just not
Speaker 1: a good football team. They might be average at best
Speaker 1: this year. But if you're going to bank on Bill
Speaker 1: is going to make this right in the draft, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't bank on that. He's a great coach. The general
Speaker 1: manager moves I have great questions about, and I think
Speaker 1: that's why they're in this situation. They went in for
Speaker 1: jar You know, Jared Stidham, you had Garoppolo? Was Garoppolo
Speaker 1: your franchise? Could you have gone to him sooner and
Speaker 1: gotten rid of Tom Brady? I start to come back
Speaker 1: to it's you have the quarterback. When you have the quarterback,
Speaker 1: then you can start building a team. And if you
Speaker 1: don't have the quarterback, I don't care how good the
Speaker 1: rest of the team is. It will take a monumental
Speaker 1: effort from different people on different sides of the ball
Speaker 1: to make you a Super Bowl contender. And in today's NFL,
Speaker 1: it's all about having a franchise quarterback. The teams that
Speaker 1: don't have one, that's where we have doubts. Seattle's got
Speaker 1: their franchise quarterback. I think Arizona's got their franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: The Bengals have their franchise quarterback. The Chargers look like
Speaker 1: they found their franchise quarterback. We don't know about the Browns.
Speaker 1: Steelers have a franchise quarterback. You know. The Saints this
Speaker 1: will be the last year for their franchise quarterback. I
Speaker 1: mean you can the Packers have a franchise quarterback. These
Speaker 1: are all teams that are in contention here. It's really
Speaker 1: rare when you go, you know, they don't have a
Speaker 1: great quarterback, but they're in contention to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: The defense will make a couple of plays as Kansas
Speaker 1: City did last year, but it will be you know,
Speaker 1: be based off of your quarterback. You'll get there because
Speaker 1: your quarterback. Kansas City won a Super Bowl because their
Speaker 1: defense came up with a couple of big plays there.
Speaker 1: And the Niners, who don't have a franchise quarterback, he
Speaker 1: didn't make a couple of plays when he needed to.
Speaker 1: Whether that's fair or not, he did not because I
Speaker 1: can blame the defense with the Niners as well. Their
Speaker 1: quarterback made a couple of plays when he needed to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so fascinating to see how a perception changes because
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold he's not playing well, of course, and Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones is not playing well. But there's some promise there.
Speaker 1: But if you happen to get one and two, that's it.
Speaker 1: You're in. Your hand is forced. The fans aren't going
Speaker 1: to let you pass these days. Five years ago they
Speaker 1: would have let you pass on the next quarterback. Not now.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if Daniel Jones is going to
Speaker 1: be there for the long haul. You know, the mistakes
Speaker 1: are the things that I mean, they're alarming. You know
Speaker 1: that that's not just a coincidence, that's habit forming. And
Speaker 1: you know Joe Judge, who was there in New England
Speaker 1: with Brady is not going to stand for that. And
Speaker 1: if Dave Getlman is I don't know if Dave Getlman
Speaker 1: is back as their GM. I'm assuming he's not. And
Speaker 1: if he's not, the new GM comes in, does the
Speaker 1: new GM say I want my quarterback? Now? That's how
Speaker 1: tricky these things are. Like the Bears are going to
Speaker 1: go back to Mitchell Trubisky. And I get it because
Speaker 1: I said I would treat Nick Foles like a reliever.
Speaker 1: Not that he's Marianna Rivera, but I would treat him
Speaker 1: like that, like special time, special situation you come in.
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's a starter, But I don't
Speaker 1: know if Mitchell Trubisky is not. But at least I
Speaker 1: have to find out, like absolutely find out right now
Speaker 1: the rest of this season. Can Mitchell Trubisky play at
Speaker 1: a consistent level that you're comfortable with? And if not,
Speaker 1: you're going to be moving on from both of those quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Carter in Atlanta joins us this morning. Good morning, Carter,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind? Hello Dan? Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for taking my call today. I'm a huge fan. I
Speaker 1: listen to you every night. Um uh so for the
Speaker 1: Georgia George's playing Florida this game this weekend. Do you
Speaker 1: think they're gonna win? Our hearty keep they're gonna do?
Speaker 1: And who do you think they're going to play at QB?
Speaker 1: You tell me, how do you think they're gonna play?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're going to play good, but
Speaker 1: because they've played good against Florida the last couple years.
Speaker 1: Their defense is really good. And but I don't know
Speaker 1: about that QUB situation. Stetson Bennett has not been producing
Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks. Do you think they'll
Speaker 1: look to another alternative? Well, I think they'll stay with Stetson.
Speaker 1: I think so. And also, why do you think the
Speaker 1: COVID night team? Why do you think they're different in
Speaker 1: each conference? Because for the Big Ten is twenty one days,
Speaker 1: but for them, for Clemson, it's only ten days. For
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, all right, well, thank you, Carter, Well, we
Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us. You know, it's it's conference priorities.
Speaker 1: And by the way, as I found out and told
Speaker 1: you yesterday, it's not ten days. Ten days is isolation.
Speaker 1: It's a total of fourteen days to actually come back
Speaker 1: in the ACC From what my source told me, yesterday.
Speaker 1: That's why if it was just ten days, well even
Speaker 1: twelve days, then Trevor Lawrence would be able to play
Speaker 1: in this game against Notre Dame. But there is a
Speaker 1: certain protocol that you have to follow. With ten days
Speaker 1: of isolation, you have to have two days of just cardio.
Speaker 1: Then you can come back to I believe fifty percent
Speaker 1: of the reps in practice, then seventy five percent, and
Speaker 1: then you're eligible to play. He would it's a fourteen
Speaker 1: day process and he would only be probably twelve days
Speaker 1: into that. That's why he's not going to play in
Speaker 1: this game against Notre Dame. I think Mike Terco is
Speaker 1: going to join us on the program tomorrow, and he
Speaker 1: of course calls Notre Dame games home games, Notre Dame
Speaker 1: against Clemson. And Mike's a Michigan guy as well as
Speaker 1: is Rich Eisen, who will join us a little bit
Speaker 1: later on. At what point, if you're a Michigan alum,
Speaker 1: and I said, you vote, your vote counts today. We're
Speaker 1: voting Jim Harball at the end of the year or other.
Speaker 1: If that's your vote, Jim Harball or other can't abstain either.
Speaker 1: We'll take in mail in ballots as well. Coming up,
Speaker 1: he's the great defensive end for the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 1: Cameron Jordan, how are they going to prepare for Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown Sunday Night? It's coming up.