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I don't know 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.560 what the Giants have in Daniel Jones. You know, sometimes 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.520 you find a bargain, sometimes you waste a high draft pick. 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.360 Giants used a high draft pick on Daniel Jones. I 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.280 don't know if they wasted a high draft pick on 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:26.280 Daniel Jones and then you find a bargain like Tom 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:28.319 Brady and the Patriots did back in the day. But 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:32.120 one thing's for sure, it's an elusive task to find 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.040 your franchise quarterback. Not that many teams get it right. 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.520 The Bucks did get it right, and they're a contender, 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.880 a Super Bowl contender. The Giants in a different situation 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.800 right now. They do play hard. They have to play 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:48.080 hard because they're not a very good team. Daniel Jones 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:52.440 has all the tools, he can run, throw, athleticism. Problem 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.960 is can't avoid turnovers. You can't play the position if 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:59.280 you can't avoid turnovers. Just ask Jameis Winston last night. 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.440 Two costs interceptions in the two point laws. And it 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.520 has to be frustrating for Giants fans because you watch 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.959 Daniel Jones forcing things that he doesn't have to. Tom 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.400 Brady and the Buccaneers didn't play great last night, but 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:15.080 Brady took care of the football and sometimes that's the 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:19.040 most important thing. And Jones is only in his second season, 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:23.080 but the NFL is moving on quicker and quicker at 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:26.200 this position. The fact that the Dolphins want to find 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.840 out now if two a tongue of Ioloa is their 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:33.679 quarterback for the future should tell you everything. Because they 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:36.040 have the Texans draft pick this year, and if the 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.840 Texans would somehow end up with the worst record in football, 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.720 this second worst record in football, third or fourth, maybe 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.560 there's a package deal. Maybe you go after Trevor Lawrence. 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.799 This is how teams are thinking. You think you got 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:53.880 your franchise quarterback and you realize you don't. Chicago Bears 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:55.799 thought they had their franchise quarterback, went up to get 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.840 Mitchell Trubisky. The Bears they've done this before. This was 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.640 one of those glaring mistakes and it's going to haunt 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:07.160 them for a while. The Browns with Baker Mayfield, they 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.600 don't know what they have with Baker Mayfield right now. 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.240 But if you're trying to correct these mistakes and deliver 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:15.480 on promise that the team saw in Daniel Jones when 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.760 they drafted him in twenty nineteen. It better happened sooner 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.760 because later they're probably going to take a quarterback. If 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.600 they're up there again, they probably will. Mclevity got a 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.880 poll question. 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Yeah, Paul is the person who drafted 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.880 Daniel Jones, still employed by the New York Giants. I 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.000 don't think he's along for the ride. Isn't that everything? 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.080 Dave Getleman, Because if he goes another quarterback, then he's 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:17.520 admitting a mistake. If there's a new GM before the draft, 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.159 I would assume he goes in his own direction. I 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.520 would think Gettlman, if he's still there, is staying with 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:26.279 Daniel Jones. That would be my gut feeling. I don't 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.279 know if you trade the pick. I don't know what's 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:29.840 going to happen at the top of the draft. I 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:31.640 don't know who's going to go all in and you 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:33.680 know what it will take to get up to number 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.120 two or number one. But if Dave Getlman is still 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:39.400 the GM, I don't think that he wants to give 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.800 up on his quarterback. Yes, McLeman. Do you think the 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.520 Giants really stay around the one two win thing though 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.719 they're so close? I mean, they should have four wins 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.159 now well, being in the NFC East, it feels like 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:52.279 they're going to accidentally pick up a couple of wins. 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:54.680 Then they might end up with four wins this year. 0:04:55.520 --> 0:05:05.960 You know, Jacksonville, Houston, obviously, the Jets, Dallas, Washington, I mean, 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.479 all of these, there's teams, but I don't think anybody's 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.960 worse as worse off as the Jets are right now. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.960 The Giants play hard said that yesterday they play hard. 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.359 They could have taken this to overtime. And you know, 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:22.080 there's controversy at the end of the game. And Joe Judge, 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:27.080 the Giants head coach, he makes sure that he compliments 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:30.760 the official in a way because he was critical. He 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.760 was in an official's face after the no call. So 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.920 they call pass interference on the two point conversion with 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:41.960 Dion Lewis and Antoine Winfield Junior. And here's Joe Judge 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.520 after the game on the official making the right call. 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:46.640 Nate made the right call when he threw the flag, 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.000 So I'm not sure why I got picked up. We 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:50.520 had a pretty good view. I know they can't use 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.760 a jumbo trons to replay. We had a pretty clear 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:54.880 view of that as well, you know, but I thought 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.200 Nate made the right call the first time. I thought, 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.120 you know, normally your first instinct is the right one. 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.480 So Nate is Nate Jones, he was the field judge. 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:07.039 And then they huddle up and there's no replay to 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:11.680 look at like they're just huddling up. That's where I 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.240 think that the home office is in their ear to say, 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:16.680 you know what, we're looking at this from about four 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.880 different angles here and I think we could pick up 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:23.920 that flag. Let's go home. It was one of those 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.360 is it enough to overturn the call? That's what I thought. 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:31.160 It was, bang bang, and I understood. I wouldn't have 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.680 called pass interference. I thought it was really really close. 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.719 If Winfield doesn't get his arm on the ball, then 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.160 Dion Lewis probably catches it. He didn't have his he 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.160 wasn't even facing the quarterback. It was kind of blindly 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:48.800 putting his arm out there and he made contact with 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:53.080 his body. To me, that's sort of part of jostling 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.720 for position, and I'm not trying to you know, Hey, 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:58.719 they threw a flag to bail out Daniel Jones. It 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:02.960 was a bad throw. He lacks anticipation and he should 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:06.080 have thrown that probably two seconds earlier. And it's not 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:09.679 an issue there and they go into overtime. I wouldn't 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.560 have called it. I thought it was I thought it 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:13.760 was okay. But I think the NFL has to have, 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:18.440 you know, complete transparency. The NFL. If you you know, 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.600 whenever there's doubt, just throw a flag and then you 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.920 let the Home office help you here. And I think 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.560 that's what's happening now. But I'm okay with getting the 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.320 call right. I just you know, these officials on the field, 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.520 it feels like they're just going just throw the flag, 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.360 and then they wait, they huddle up, and then they 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.920 wait for somebody to speak into their headset to say, 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:40.760 you know what, you can pick that up. That's not 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:44.040 past interference, or hey, there was enough there, you know, 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.840 let's let it stand. Yeah, McLevin. Two questions. If Tom 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:48.800 Brady had thrown that pass, would that flag had been 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:50.920 picked up? And if there are fans in the crowd, 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.680 eighty thousand people screaming in that stadium, would they have 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.640 picked it up. I think there's are both legitimate questions 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:01.480 to ask. Brady probably gets the call, if the fans 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:07.040 are there, The Giants probably get the call. You know, 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.640 you got this antiseptic, this sterile environment there, and it's 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:14.920 Daniel Jones And it was a poorly thrown pass, and 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.400 I think because of that they gave Antoine Winfield a 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:22.280 little more room there that it was thrown, you know, 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:25.880 back shoulder behind him, and I think that, you know, 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.400 had he thrown it correctly, then there was no issue. 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:32.040 He sort of made it a closer call by the 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.040 fact that it was a bad pass. Yeah, Paul did 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.480 the money and that football sound guy pump in fake 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.360 sound of Giants fans booing when the call was overturned. 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.679 I didn't hear that. It was light as muted. Yeah, 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.679 I didn't hear that either. Did anybody think it was 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.720 pass interference? Nicklev and you would have let it stand, Okay. 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.760 I don't disagree with anything you said. It was super 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.760 bang bang, But I thought that his body got in 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.679 the way, like that's what they call pass interference. It 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:57.880 was a terrible throw and the receiver was coming back 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:00.680 and he ran into the defender basically, But that's kind 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:02.280 of what pass interfairs is it? But it was so 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:06.640 bag bag. I think the hands. That's always the great 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:08.920 indicator for me. Where are your hands and what are 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:12.080 they doing? And I thought that if he made contact 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.200 with his chest and he didn't have his hand, he 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.440 didn't hook him and he had his arm out. I mean, 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:19.560 he got lucky because he deflected it. But if you 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.199 want to play the conspiracy theory, if you're the NFL, 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:26.760 don't you want overtime Tom Brady and overtime against the Giants. 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.040 So these people say, oh, you know what, they didn't 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.000 want to give the call. You know, they don't want 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.920 to give the call to uh. They wanted Brady to win. 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:40.280 And I'm thinking, if I'm the NFL, I how many 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:44.719 more commercial breaks do I get? Four? Or five? And overtime? Yeah, 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.559 MC club, you were into the eleventh I think he 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.559 might have been passed the window on the East coast, 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.080 which was watching the Giants in the bus, but the 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.040 other everyone was tweeting, Oh, they want Tom in the 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:58.160 super Bowl. That was a popular Twitter conspiracy theory. Well, 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:04.800 and that I do to be great. Anybody else think 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:10.680 it was past interference? Yeah, and you know Jones made 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.559 a bad pass. I think he because of that. It 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.120 made it a little easier for the official to go. 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.480 You know, Lewis is coming sort of back into him 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:22.120 as well, and you know he was he was at 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.480 least one second one and a half two seconds late 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:29.160 in releasing that ball. He lacks that anticipation and you 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.840 see that where he's I'm waiting for you to be open. 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.480 In the NFL, you throw it and then they get open. 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.880 It's not you're open I'm throwing because if you do 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:40.160 it that way, he won't be open by the time 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.040 you throw it. Yeah, mclovin. What other thing, Remember that 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.520 face guarding you should be called pi when to me, 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.800 I thought that was a big deal when he doesn't 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:49.800 look at the ball to usually throw a flat but 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.400 he didn't face guard him right right, And they actually 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.480 change that face guarding is now legal as long as 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.800 you don't interfere, you can. I'd ever understand real quick 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.240 holding question? What is whole being? And is it only 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.200 when the defensive guy slipped on the field that they 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.199 call it? To me, I still don't. I never understand holding. 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.679 You're talking about offensive hold? Offensive holding on the line. 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.000 It feels like the same block every time they just 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.800 randomly decide to throw it. Or am I crazy? Yeah? 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.160 Offensive holding is now only called when the defensive lineman 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.400 kind of looks like he's been shot or pulled and 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:22.880 or his jersey is completely being pulled from his body 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.280 where we if we could see it clearly at home 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.800 without replay. That's when it gets called down, which is 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.080 a great thing. Remember how much we complained about holding 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.920 last year? They said no more. Well, we complain and 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.240 then Brady complained and then they stopped calling holding. You 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:41.480 put us together with Brady pre lawsuit. Yes, set Jason 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:43.040 Pierre Paul was able to get one of those calls 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.000 last night where he's like running through the line and 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:46.160 then got and all of a sudden, it was like 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.880 somebody yanked him back and went down and they're like, 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.320 I don't know it was really hit quite that much, 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.839 but it was. It was the cell that really got it. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:58.080 It's like the scene out of Platoon with William Dafoe 0:11:58.200 --> 0:11:59.719 at the very end of the movie when he gets 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:06.679 shot slow motion. The Giants though in close games. Man, 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.040 they played four straight games decided by four points or less. 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.120 They've lost three of those four. It's only the fifth 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.800 time in their history they've had this kind of streak 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.640 this long in a single season. So they aren't playing hard. 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:23.400 They kept it close, and I thought it was saying 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.760 more about the Buccaneers. I expected the Giants to be 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:29.199 tough at home, believe it or not. You know, this 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.959 is Brady at the Meadowlands, and I didn't think they 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.760 looked crisp anything, you know, out of the ordinary. I 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:37.719 thought that there was like, okay, and you got to 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:41.120 win these games. But they were very close to losing 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:44.480 that game. Here is Tom Brady after the game. The 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.439 interceptions were huge for us, and then defense really helped 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.199 us out getting getting a few interceptions and then the touchdown. 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.080 A Gronky made a great catch because they ball got 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:54.600 tipped at the line of scrimmage. He had great concentration 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.160 on that, and then Mike's was an incredible catch. So 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.120 those guys are making a lot of plays. We obviously 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.440 didn't play. We're capable tonight, but it's still good to 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:06.120 go get a win. And we'll talk to Tony Dungee 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.640 about this NBC Sports, the Hall of Fame coach. Yes, 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:12.280 set just a piggyback off of Andrew's earlier thoughts. If 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:15.760 Tom Brady wasn't the quarterback of Tampa Bay and this 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.200 is a one o'clock game on Sunday, would we be 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:22.880 talking about this final play? No, But we know what's 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.960 at stake here with the Buccaneer. What's the Giants? I 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:29.640 mean the Giants and Daniel Jones. Have you seen enough 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.080 where you go? Yep, Daniel Jones is our franchise quarterback. 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:37.680 He's making mistakes that are normal or this used to 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:41.680 be normal with younger quarterbacks, and he does have athleticism there. 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:45.480 I don't know if you can teach him how not 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.920 to force the ball and have some anticipation and not 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:53.360 fumble like these are really big issues. That's why Jamis 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.160 Winston needed to go back to school, quarterbacking school, and 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.600 that's what he's doing in New Orleans. Because I do 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.560 think he's a starting quarterback in the NFL. I just 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:05.480 don't think his approach sometimes is smart. You're forcing things 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.880 and you can't force it. In the NFL. Brett Farve 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:10.760 did it and made a Hall of Fame career out 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.280 of it. Very very few quarterbacks and Brett Farve threw 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.560 more interceptions than anybody in the history of the sport. 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.480 You can't force it, and I think that what you 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.440 saw with Daniel Jones last night, he was trying to 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.160 make something happen. Yeah, point and Farve kind of reminds 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.320 me of like Carson Wentz. We're talking about him yesterday. 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.320 Carson Wentz has all the negatives that Farv had, but 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.520 he doesn't have as many positives. He kind of did 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.120 a couple of years ago. And I know his team 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.040 is not that good, his line's not that good, but 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:39.760 Wentz and Farv had more upside, more consistent upside. It 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.880 feels like than Carson Wentz has, at least lately. Yeah, 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.680 that's another issue. You look at the Eagles with Carson Wentz. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.920 Where are they with Carson Wentz? Now we're looking at 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.600 the forty nine ers with Jimmy Garoppolo, and Jimmy Garoppolo 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.440 played his last down it, you know, with the San 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:59.400 Francisco forty nine ers, right, I don't know, but it 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.800 feels like we're getting to those like Cam Newton. People 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.880 wanted Cam to get an extension after week two. Now 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.440 all of a sudden, it's like, well they only paid 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:12.160 him a million. That's good. Patriots going to be in 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:15.120 the market for a quarterback? Are the Eagles gonna go 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.680 with Jalen Hursts? Eventually? The Bears are going to go 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:21.680 back to Mitchell Trubisky. That's why when we made this argument, 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.640 or this argument kind of surfaced about who's more important 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:29.160 to the Patriots and their success, Bill Belichick or Tom Brady. 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.560 And I think I go back and forth. And then 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.120 the more I think about it, the more I go, 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.520 if you don't have a franchise quarterback, I don't care 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:41.320 who your coach is. When you have that franchise quarterback, 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.800 he will bail you out, because whatever you do prior 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.640 to the game, in drafts and free agencies, this is 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.240 the guy who has to make it happen on the field. 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:56.720 Unless you have the Steel Curtain, the Purple People leaders, 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:01.400 the Fearsome Forsom, or the Ravens with Dilfer's your quarterback, 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.160 it's really hard to win that way, and especially now. 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.560 And that's why I look at what Brady has done. 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.560 Brady with the Buccaneers is going to be a difference 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.840 maker and they're going to be a Super Bowl contender. 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.600 Brady in New England is still better than Cam Newton 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:21.320 in New England for a variety of reasons. The biggest 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:24.880 problem I have with the Patriots has been Bill Belichick's 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:28.840 inability to draft. Look at the last couple of drafts 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:32.600 that's on Bill Belichick, and had he made a couple 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.800 of good draft picks, then they wouldn't be in this position. 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:40.880 They would have some skill position players. Nikkil Harry has 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:45.720 been a bust. They did get Chandler Jones, which was 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:49.720 a great draft pick, but look at Bill's drafts. That's 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:53.280 the reason why they're in this situation. He talked about 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:55.840 they went all in to win those Super Bowls if 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:58.880 you draft well at the end of the Ravens are 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.840 the Ravens because are great, they play in the postseason, 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.400 they've won a Super Bowl, and they're able to get 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:09.160 good draft picks late in the first round. Kansas City Chiefs, 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:11.320 you get a good draft pick at the end of 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:15.280 the first round. That's the difference. And I think Bill 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.320 has done a terrible job with his draft picks the 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:22.840 last four years. That's why they're in this position right now. 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:28.280 All right, we'll take a break. WHOA, Yeah, it's fact. 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:33.080 It is fact. With you know who he's drafted. You 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.040 know they've done well. You know they got some guys, 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:40.280 you know, the mccordy's and stuff on Gilmore. But this 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:45.040 was about Brady keeping things together, at least in my opinion, 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:50.040 because Bill didn't do his job. Therefore Tom didn't want 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:54.000 to stay. There's no skill position players. If Tom has 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:58.000 skill position players, Tom is probably still there because football 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:00.919 would be fun to him in New England in spite 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.600 of dealing with Bill Belichick. Tony Dungee will join us. 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.359 Coming up next, It's eighteen after the hour. This is 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:08.600 the Dan Patrick Show. Thanks for listening to The Dan 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.320 Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.680 weekday morning nine to noon Eastern or six to nine 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.720 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.560 The Dan Patrick Show at Fox Sports Radio dot com, 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.560 or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:27.639 by searching f s R, or stream us live on 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:30.119 the Peacock Act. Did we settle on a poll question, 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.560 McLevin before we get to Tony Dungee? Oh? Yeah, I 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:34.159 put up there if the Giants did end up with 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:36.879 a top three pick. Oh, day draft a quarterback just 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.920 to start with, man, we have sped up the process 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.120 of deciding if a quarterback can be a franchise quarterback. 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.800 It's crazy. This maybe goes back to Josh Rosen, where 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.080 you go, No, we're done. Let's bringing Kyler Murray, the 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.520 Bears with Mitchell Trubisky waiting a little bit longer, the 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.399 Browns with Baker Mayfield. The fact the Dolphins want to 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.160 find out if Tua can play right now in case 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.600 they get a really high draft pick. Yeah, mccleven, Zepp 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:04.240 Harley rookie salary cap, and you can't afford when you 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.800 get that rookie salary at that position. That's where you 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:11.159 can build around a quarterback, it can't be usually the 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.200 other way around. He's the Hall of Fame coach and 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.080 BC Football Night in America joining us on the program. 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:18.840 Good to see again, Tony. Let me start there. When 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.200 did we start to speed up the process of when 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.760 we evaluate a quarterback whether he can be your franchise 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.200 quarterback or nine. Well, I think it really has been 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.600 in the last ten years, maybe since since I left, 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:34.000 because I know that was a situation where you drafted 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:35.960 a guy and you had to see it. I went 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.560 to TAPP in nineteen ninety six, Trent Dilford had been 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:41.920 there two years and Richmond k Part of the deal was, Hey, 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.240 we've got to see if this number six pick in 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.359 the draft can pad out. So you aren't going to 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:49.280 be evaluated until we find that out. You're not going 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:51.879 to be evaluated as a coach. But we've got to 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.760 find out. And that was our game plan for two 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:58.720 years and it seems like we haven't left that. If 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.120 I get a chance to another guy, and this guy 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:05.600 is a more solid franchise quarterback, let's go. You have 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:07.800 to have a quarterback to win, there's no question about that. 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.640 But some of these guys need some time, Dad to progress. 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.960 But have you seen enough of Daniel Jones? No, I 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:18.399 haven't because I see sometimes like last night, where gosh, 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:20.720 you missed a couple of easy touchdown passes, you end 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.119 up throwing the interceptions when we had everything set up. 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:25.240 But then I saw some other games. I saw last 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.600 year he played a beautiful game against the Bucks and 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.840 beat them, So you're gonna have a little bit of that. 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:34.119 Peyton Manning was I think four years in the league 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:37.159 when we got there to Indianapolis, and he had a 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:41.399 five hundred record. So let's not say that you know 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:43.280 in two years you're going to see everything you need 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.760 to see. That play at the end of the game, 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.719 the call on the field and then they picked up 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:52.119 the flag, What would you have done? I don't like 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:56.879 that because John Perry said, well, pass in affairence has 0:20:56.920 --> 0:21:00.359 to be clear and obvious. Well, the official knew that 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:02.840 when he threw the flag. He knows the rule for 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:05.560 pass interference. So I have to see clear and obvious 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:07.760