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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: This is the legend legendary New York reporter Ross Barcan,

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Speaker 5: who has his own substack, the Metropolitan Report, the Metropolitan Review,

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Speaker 5: also a columnist for New York Magazine, a long time

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Speaker 5: reporter here in DC, in New York.

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Speaker 6: What do you what? Do you sorry?

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Speaker 7: DC?

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Speaker 6: We're not in DC, We're in New York. Do you

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Speaker 6: what are you saying?

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Speaker 3: Huge, huge showing for Zurn tonight?

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Speaker 8: Honestly, I am taken aback by how large a lead

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Speaker 8: he has.

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Speaker 3: What's what's the current umbers? Right now?

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Speaker 1: Azo, right now, you can look on the screen there,

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Speaker 1: I've got issues.

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Speaker 9: So it's about the same.

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Speaker 1: Zorn's at forty three with eighty percent of the vote

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Speaker 1: in Orn.

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Speaker 8: I feel safe saying Zoron is going to be the

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Speaker 8: Democratic nominee for mayor in New York City. I don't

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Speaker 8: like to call elections, but I think I think we're

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Speaker 8: getting very close to there. I don't see how Cuomo

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Speaker 8: pulls this off, honestly at this point. Maybe there's some

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Speaker 8: last burst in these final twenty percent of votes, but

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Speaker 8: he holds a really significant lead in an election where

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Speaker 8: it looks like more than a million people voted, a

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Speaker 8: million Democrats voted.

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Speaker 3: This this is a realignment election.

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Speaker 1: This is what what do you mean by that ross?

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Speaker 8: This means that more than any election I can remember,

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Speaker 8: far more than AOC Joe Crowley, far more than I

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Speaker 8: don't even know some some gubernatorial array somewhere, there has

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Speaker 8: been a massive shift in how people vote, at least

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Speaker 8: in the largest city in America, where a man who

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Speaker 8: was governor for eleven years, who had the entire political

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Speaker 8: establishment quite literally behind him, who had a super pack

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Speaker 8: spending close to thirty million dollars, is losing by a

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Speaker 8: significant margin to a thirty three year.

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Speaker 3: Old socialist state assemblyman.

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Speaker 8: That is something that even the wildest leftist forecasts could

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Speaker 8: not predict.

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Speaker 3: And so I had not looked at the vote yet.

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Speaker 8: By neighborhood and by precinct, by assumption is with a

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Speaker 8: win like this, it cannot be written off as oh

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Speaker 8: it was low turnout. Oh it was the gentrifiers. Oh

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Speaker 8: it was this. It was that you have this many votes.

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Speaker 8: You are getting a multi racial coalition, you are getting

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Speaker 8: a working class coalition, you are getting upper class people,

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Speaker 8: and you're getting young people.

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Speaker 3: So I wanted to warrant to the data.

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Speaker 8: But right now, this is a stunning It's a massive upset. Honestly,

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Speaker 8: you could call this one of the biggest upsets in

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Speaker 8: American political history. I think I'm gonna put it in there.

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Speaker 8: Lomo ran an awful campaign. I don't I don't as

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Speaker 8: by I say, I'm gont a credit Zoron. Lomo ran

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Speaker 8: an atrocious campaign, the laziest campaign I've ever seen. But

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Speaker 8: this is still a monumental showing ross.

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Speaker 6: Go ahead, Crystal, I.

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Speaker 1: Was just gonna ask about the attacks on Zoron, accusing

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Speaker 1: him of being an anti Semite, and you know what

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Speaker 1: it means. This very clear rebuke of that tactic, which

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Speaker 1: I think in any year now in New York City

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Speaker 1: you can tell me, because you're the expert, would likely

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Speaker 1: have been pretty successful, you know, would have been a

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Speaker 8: Yes, so ten, ten years ago, maybe even five years ago,

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Speaker 8: if I you said a candidate who is pro palestigned,

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Speaker 8: not identify it like that as a muscle, yeah, and

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Speaker 8: is a Muslim. If you took all these things and

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Speaker 8: five years ago you'd have said no way. And now

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Speaker 8: he has run up a huge margin in a very

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Speaker 3: The Israel lobby.

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Speaker 8: Must be absolutely I don't know what's going through their

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Speaker 5: Do you remember the Jessica Ramos story from twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 5: So during the twenty fourteen Gaza war, Jessica Ramos, who

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Speaker 5: has gone full circle, she went left and now she

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Speaker 5: She says, there's a head New York Post headline is

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Speaker 5: that was a scandalous. It was understood to be a

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Speaker 8: And I remember that twenty fourteen summer very well because

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Speaker 8: the entire democratic establishment lined up with Israel.

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Speaker 3: Literally you had massive rallies.

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Speaker 8: Every so called progressive Democrat was there cheering on Israel,

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Speaker 3: And the shift from there has just been seismic.

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Speaker 8: And we know that generational shift is happening, that that

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Speaker 8: that has been ongoing. But now you have an election

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Speaker 8: like this one, you see it's bigger, It's actually bigger.

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Speaker 3: So I am really.

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Speaker 8: As someone who thought thinks highly of Zorn's political talent

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Speaker 8: and saw him for long time going places to see

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Speaker 3: And what other have new results come in? Where are

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Speaker 7: So here Russ, this is Adam Carlson, Polster Adam Carlson

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Speaker 7: who has said stick a fork in it. Zoron Mumdani

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Speaker 7: will win the first round of the Democratic primary for

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Speaker 3: So we would post calling it period. That's so it's

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Speaker 3: fun that that's that it's finished.

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Speaker 8: Right, He's not gonna get He's not gonna win brad

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Speaker 8: Landers votes. So I'm looking at this map right now.

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Speaker 8: Zoron won three out of five Burroughs.

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Speaker 3: Wow and yeah, so uh ross.

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Speaker 10: Like, you know, is this a similar to an AOC

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Speaker 10: moment where someone like this wins and then the squad

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Speaker 10: comes afterwards and it spreads across the country to other races,

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Speaker 10: or do you view this more as a very unique race.

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Speaker 11: In a vacuum.

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Speaker 8: What's funny is this race is far more impressive than

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Speaker 8: AOC's race. But I don't know if it's going to

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Speaker 8: Zorn being turned into a boogeyman because he's Muslim, because

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Speaker 8: he's openly socialist, even the way AOC is not. I

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: Twenty eighteen was sort of the height of resistance blue

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Speaker 8: the leader and this is all said and done, leading

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Speaker 3: In America if he win to the general election.

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Speaker 8: That's a really good I think though, how other Democrats

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Speaker 8: approach him is going to be fascinating. Some are going

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Speaker 8: to be very excited to embrace it. Some are going

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Speaker 8: be more complicated. But but the scale this race was

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Speaker 8: It's not just all lefties. It's a very complicated city.

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Speaker 8: And so for someone to win and win so convincingly,

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Speaker 8: to come from behind all all on tomorrow, you're gonna,

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Speaker 8: I'm sure you're gonna hear a lot of explanations from

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was just gonna say, there's there's never

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Speaker 1: been a Muslim mayor of New York City.

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Speaker 9: There's never been a socialist.

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Speaker 1: Some people have likened him to LaGuardia, you know, can

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Speaker 1: you spell out do you think that there are parallels

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Speaker 1: with LaGuardia as considered you know, one of the best

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I mean, there's certainly LaGuardia is sort

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Speaker 8: LaGuardia wasn't as a come from behind candidate as Zorn was.

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Speaker 8: LaGuardia was a liberal Republican running against the Democratic machine,

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Speaker 8: but he'd been a popular congressman. He'd been kind of

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Speaker 8: building a political operation for years. I mean, I mean

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Speaker 8: Zeramamdani was mostly unknown as recently as five to six

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Speaker 8: of America's largest city. This is not no offense to

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Speaker 3: Of these places.

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Speaker 8: But this, this city is a massive, massive place, and

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Speaker 8: so I think Loguardia is a parallel. You have the

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Speaker 8: Sewer socialist mayors of the early twentieth century. The mayors

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Speaker 8: that good government reform model, delivering public services, delivering public goods.

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Speaker 8: He's not running on ending capitalism, mostly because mayors cannot

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Speaker 8: end capitalism. It's a very economics first campaign, and it's

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Speaker 8: a good I think it's a good message for all

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Speaker 1: Could take out Wall Street, that would strike a blow

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Speaker 5: Wearing tickets could try.

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Speaker 7: This brings up a question I wanted to ask, which is,

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Speaker 7: you know you often see from the primaries to the

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Speaker 7: general election, the the pivot to the center.

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Speaker 3: How do you expect Zoron?

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Speaker 7: You followed his campaign so closely, you've truck to him,

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Speaker 7: how do you expect him to handle now actually going

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Speaker 6: And let me piggyback onto that.

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Speaker 5: What do you think this does to Cuomo running in

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Speaker 5: the general I was very.

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Speaker 8: Sure before this night that Cuomo was running in the

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Speaker 8: general election as an independent with a massive super pack

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Speaker 8: behind him. That may still happen, but this is a

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Speaker 8: convincing victory for Zorn. This is a large victory. This

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Speaker 8: is not two points, this is very big. So for

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Speaker 8: Cuomo it's going to be harder to pivot into being

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Speaker 8: the super pack candidate now. I think Zoron is going

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Speaker 8: to have to do outreach to a lot of different

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Speaker 8: interest groups communities that he did less of in the

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Speaker 8: primary because he is going to be mayor. Even though

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Speaker 8: he ran against the power elite, that power elites sought

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Speaker 8: to destroy him. You're mayor of New York City, You're

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Speaker 8: going to have to take meetings with financiers, with developers.

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Speaker 3: It will happen.

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Speaker 8: So the pivot might not mean any new policy or

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Speaker 8: kind of any rhetorical shift necessarily. But I think he's

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Speaker 3: He'll hilly, he will talk to anyone.

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Speaker 8: So I expect there to be significant outreach to a

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Speaker 8: I think he's smart enough to try to attempt a

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Speaker 3: But look, there are forces.

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Speaker 8: In this city that are going to want to destroy

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Speaker 8: him and destroy his mayrality.

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Speaker 8: And they tried with Doblasio. And this is much bigger

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Speaker 8: So these headheadge fund finance types, they will think of

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Speaker 3: Zoron Magzil have breakfast with them.

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Speaker 10: In ways like they would destroy him, Like what could

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Speaker 1: As made well, Yeah, it was partly CuMo, who was

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Speaker 3: Look, I think the super Pack failed miserably, but.

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Speaker 8: They can always spend more money, and when your mayor,

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Speaker 8: perhaps those attacks lened differently. There's a media apparatus that

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Speaker 3: He will have a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Well, and Ryan and Ross, either one of you guys

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Speaker 3: Like Eric Adams.

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Speaker 6: It again, you don't know it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Now that's the interesting with Zoron.

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Speaker 8: Everyone was like Brandon Johnson, Brandon Johnson, I tweet this,

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Speaker 8: Sam and wait a second, there's a progressive Elizabeth Warren

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Speaker 3: Why can't Zoron be Michelle Woo. In fact, I think there.

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Speaker 8: Are real parallels there in zarn he's a competent person,

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Speaker 8: he's very bright. I think he's going to hire very

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Speaker 8: It's gonna go a long way, and I think he will.

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Speaker 1: Are you sad to see you gonna jump?

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Speaker 6: Well, we're gonna let Ross go.

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Speaker 5: Oh if you have one more question, because we're gonna

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Speaker 6: But you have a wrap up question for Ross.

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Speaker 1: I do have a wrap up for Ross, which is

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Speaker 1: aren't you gonna miss Eric Adams content creation?

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Speaker 8: He's a great he's a great content creator and he's

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Speaker 3: Gonna be content creating through November.

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Speaker 8: And this is what's very This is very interesting right

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Speaker 8: loll this guy blew it come back to me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, support me. So look out for that too interesting.

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Speaker 9: Ross.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, I mean I I call him from New

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Speaker 8: York Magazine. My substack, Ross Barkin Political currents. Look on

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Speaker 8: the substack, subscribe to it. Lots of mayoral race writing

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Speaker 8: to come. Yeah, Ross, thanks so much, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: We're joined now by former Congressman Jamal Bowman's.

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Speaker 12: Not Crystal Ball right there? What's what's up? Yo? Crystal?

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Speaker 12: You're great, y'all. Love your work, work doing that dope ship.

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Speaker 4: I'm sweating because I've been hugging people and celebrating.

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Speaker 12: Because it's a hundred hell so excuse me for sweating

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Speaker 12: and know that. What's up home girl? Is that Emily?

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 12: I'm sure you're great too. What's up? You got some questions?

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Speaker 12: What's some questions?

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Speaker 6: What what happened?

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Speaker 12: Why?

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Speaker 5: Why was he able to do this in the in

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Speaker 5: a way that candidates in the past.

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Speaker 4: Hapn's well z run is exception Know, he's an incredible

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Speaker 4: Number two, His team is exceptional. They have like I

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Speaker 4: call this campaign manager like a pianist. She struck all

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Speaker 12: This is New York, mother FN's city.

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Speaker 4: So we're talking about diversity, beautiful people, language, culture, different ideas,

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Speaker 4: So you put those things together in addition to, oh,

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Speaker 4: that it came down to all of that.

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Speaker 5: No matter what mom Donnie got asked, whether it was

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Speaker 6: About what it didn't matter.

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Speaker 12: He brought it back.

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Speaker 5: To affordability in New York City and free and freeze

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Speaker 5: the rent, like it.

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Speaker 6: Always back to his message.

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Speaker 5: Is he just better at that than other Democrats and

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Speaker 5: have a different idea about like, no, everything is going

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, when you run campaigns, you have to be disciplined,

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Speaker 4: So you have to be disciplined in your movements politically

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Speaker 4: You got emotions involved, all kinds of stuff. But he

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Speaker 4: So it's not just about cutting and pasting what they've done.

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Speaker 4: It's about excellent candidates who are excellent communicators and they

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Speaker 12: So it's already above.

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Speaker 5: Do you think this does this open anything up for

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Speaker 8: Like?

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Speaker 6: Does this does open.

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Speaker 4: If the Democratic Party is smart and I'm speaking specifically

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Speaker 4: Hakeem Jeffries, Greg Meeks, Jim Cliburn, Barack Obama, Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 4: by every allly establishment leaders, they would get one hundred

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Speaker 4: You gotta uplift your superstars. Man, Like you know, I'm

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Speaker 4: that's what, that's what, that's good for America. That shit

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Speaker 4: don't make sense. I'm sorry, I don't mean to talk

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Speaker 4: one for me. And then you guys, hurry up.

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Speaker 5: I got CNN and like Richie seven minutes, Uh, Richie

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Speaker 5: Torres doesn't this doesn't this suggest that Richie Torres is

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Speaker 12: Against Can we stop talking about Richie? Rich is a

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Speaker 12: what motherfucker.

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Speaker 4: Let Richie Trres keep doing his bullshit and let's keep

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Speaker 4: Richie too is not consequential. Please, let's not lift him

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Speaker 1: What's it nice to see APAC take this big loss tonight?

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Speaker 1: And what does that mean for other Canadis in the future.

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Speaker 12: This as a loss for them. I see himaw as

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Speaker 4: And so you know what, what what I hope they

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Speaker 4: begin to understand is your fear mongering, your hate, your racism,

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Speaker 4: your money is not enough.

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Speaker 12: You got to actually like win on the issue.

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Speaker 4: You gotta actually win on the issues and and and

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Speaker 4: have good values, right, like yo, we were not supported

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Speaker 4: the killer the starving of children, like we not support

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Speaker 4: that because we're actually human beings, ye, right? And so

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Speaker 12: Not about that. For us as progressives, we we got

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Speaker 4: But now we got to win a general and now

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Speaker 4: we got a show we can govern I'm sorry, maybe

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Speaker 4: so Ron's coming here?

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Speaker 6: It comes?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, Hi yet yet? All right, we got it.

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Speaker 4: Hurry up, I'm sorry, I got seeing that in like

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Speaker 12: Thank you, Bud, Greece. Love y'all keep going your work,

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Speaker 12: appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for having us.

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Speaker 10: So we've got Andrew Epstein here, he was what's your

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Speaker 11: The communications director?

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Speaker 6: How are you feeling right now?

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Speaker 11: Very confident, very excited. I mean, we found the early

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Speaker 11: New Yorkers had already voted for saran Uh. We won

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Speaker 5: So when the so what what do you think you

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Speaker 5: did differently to overcome the problem that the left has had,

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Speaker 5: which is you can do well and what I think

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Speaker 5: Michael Lang was calling the commed corner.

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Speaker 6: You know, like you know.

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Speaker 11: Of Brooklyn.

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Speaker 5: You know you do well among the hips, among the hipsters,

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Speaker 5: but breaking out beyond that, it's what crippled Bernie Sanders campaign.

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Speaker 6: What what did you do differently that broke through?

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Speaker 11: It is just correct a little or challenge some of

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Speaker 11: the caricature, even of those voters that often get ascribed

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Speaker 11: as the heart of insurgent progressive democratic socialist campaigns. Yes,

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Speaker 11: many people who vote for Democratic socialists have college degrees,

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Speaker 11: many of them have parents who have had middle class

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Speaker 11: or white collar jobs. But they are also tenants in

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Speaker 11: the most expensive city in the country and have struggled

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Speaker 11: to actually realize any of that sort of educational attainment

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Speaker 11: or cultural capital. You can't pay your rent with cultural capital.

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Speaker 11: You pay your rent with money, and people aren't making enough.

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Speaker 11: So even among the kind of like caricature of our

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Speaker 11: base voters, there's a different story to be told than

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Speaker 11: I think has been. But we've also found out long

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Speaker 11: beyond that, and we did it with a relentless focus

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Speaker 11: on an economic agenda, rejecting all of the narratives about

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Speaker 11: what this race should have or would have been about.

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Speaker 11: I think a lot of candidates and pundits and consultants

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Speaker 11: over corrected from twenty twenty one or looked straight at me.

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Speaker 6: In what way, what do you mean?

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Speaker 11: They thought this would be a campaign about first, about

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Speaker 11: the corruption in city Hall, about the kind of law

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Speaker 11: and order messaging that became dominant at the end of

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Speaker 11: twenty twenty one. Even that I think was quite different

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Speaker 11: in reality than what was said. Eric Adams said he

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Speaker 11: was running to deliver both justice and safety. As a

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Speaker 11: burninstool farmer, we said from the beginning, this is about

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Speaker 11: the cost of living crisis. This is about one in

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Speaker 11: four New Yorkers living in poverty. This is about the

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Speaker 11: inability to pay rent, to pay your mortgage, to have

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Speaker 11: raised kids in the city, to retire in the city.

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Speaker 11: And we developed and Zoron went out with a program

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Speaker 11: that was memorable and relevant and deliverable, and even as

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Speaker 11: early as December January, Zoron would move around the city

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Speaker 11: and they wouldn't just recognize him as like, Oh, I

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Speaker 11: liked your video, or you're really dynamic they'd look at

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Speaker 11: him and they go freeze. The red bus is fast

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Speaker 11: and free, universal childcare right. And that is both the

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Speaker 11: premise of the campaign and also how we intend to

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Speaker 11: win a mandate for delivering those things. We don't want

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Speaker 11: people to just elect Zoram because he's a dynamic figure.

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Speaker 11: We want them to elect him to actually then hold

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Speaker 11: him accountable to the exact policies he has laid out

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Speaker 11: from the beginning of this campaign. And the second piece

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Speaker 11: is that we would not have been able to deliver

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Speaker 11: that message to voters without the largest grassroots campaign this

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Speaker 11: city has ever seen. We knocked on fifty thousand doors

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Speaker 11: today alone in temperatures that felt over one hundred. We've

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Speaker 11: knocked one more than one point six million doors since

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Speaker 11: this campaign began, more than fifty thousand volunteers all across

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Speaker 11: the five boroughs. It's the combination of that focus on

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Speaker 11: an economic agenda, on what we are going to do

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Speaker 11: for people, not just what we have done for people,

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Speaker 11: and the fact that that was being delivered by this

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Speaker 11: incredible grassroots movement across the city.

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Speaker 5: And the thing I've been writing about my entire career

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Speaker 5: and has never really materialized is the idea that if

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Speaker 5: you excite people, they will come out and.

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Speaker 6: Vote for you.

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Speaker 5: It never quite, but it never it's you can't find

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Speaker 5: much evidence for today to do.

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Speaker 11: For them, not just what your character is.

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Speaker 6: So freeze the rents.

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Speaker 11: Frustrate like that, right, and now, if we win, if

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Speaker 11: we win this nomination, if we defeat the other candidates

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Speaker 11: in the in the general, we want to be held

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Speaker 11: to account for delivering those exact things that we promise.

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Speaker 6: It's a it's it's similar maybe to Georgia.

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Speaker 5: If you remember the Georgia Senate elections, Democrats were like,

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Speaker 5: if you vote for us, we'll give you two thousand dollars, right,

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Speaker 5: and give us the Senate.

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Speaker 11: Version of that, and that worked out pretty well.

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Speaker 5: People were like, I vote for you, and you'll give

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Speaker 5: me two thousand dollars. Okay, that's a good.

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Speaker 11: Thing in in in some pointners of the democratic establishment,

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Speaker 11: the consultant class that promising people things is like the crass,

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Speaker 11: cheeting crass. It's kind of low. Politics shouldn't be about

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Speaker 11: Politics should be about like you know your your your character,

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Speaker 11: your you know what you know, how how good you sound?

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Speaker 12: You know?

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Speaker 10: No, so you shouldn't just do you shouldn't just do

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Speaker 10: Obama voice.

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Speaker 6: You should give them something.

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Speaker 11: You should give them something. Yeah, a lot more than

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Speaker 11: they have right now in this country and in the city.

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Speaker 11: And politics is about organizing those people to deliver those

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Speaker 11: things and make life better and easier.

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Speaker 10: I had a question to for you about sort of

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Speaker 10: the hinge points of this campaign. What were like the

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Speaker 10: key markers that this campaign was growing. Were there are

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Speaker 10: moments that sort of made this campaign to get you

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Speaker 10: to this moment here? I'm thinking about the AOC endorsement.

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Speaker 10: Was there a first viral video? What were those hinge

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Speaker 10: points for this campaign?

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Speaker 11: There's a couple.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's I mean, it was the Breaking Points bump. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: it was the Breaking.

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Speaker 11: Points interview was Emily and Ryan, you know it was

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Speaker 11: that was I can I just say I'm actually a

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Speaker 11: very big fan of breaking points. This is a little surreal.

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Speaker 11: That's how we got hey, that's how we got here.

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Speaker 6: We will We would not be let in if you

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Speaker 6: weren't a fan, So thank you.

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Speaker 11: I have been yelled at today by press from around

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Speaker 11: the world how they are not being allowed into this argument.

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Speaker 11: I said, no, drop site, breaking points. You're in.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 12: That's awesome, this is what.

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Speaker 11: It's going to be.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, some of the nine of sitting room, some of

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Speaker 10: those hinge points, like what were those moments?

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Speaker 11: I mean, I think I think one of them is

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Speaker 11: one that I think Zoron went on to talk about,

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Speaker 11: which was after Donald Trump was elected and everybody was

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Speaker 11: in this state of shell shock. What was this about?

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Speaker 12: What happened? What did we do?

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Speaker 11: We said, let's just go ask people like, let's go

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Speaker 11: to the hearts of immigrant in New York. Let's go

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Speaker 11: to South Richmond Hill, Let's go to Fordham Road, Let's

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Speaker 11: go to working class immigrant and black and brown neighborhoods

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Speaker 11: that swung big for Trump, and just ask people, why'd

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Speaker 11: you do it? We really really made a sign that

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Speaker 11: said let's talk politics. This was five days after the

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Speaker 11: presidential stood on the corner and said let's talk. And

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Speaker 11: we heard again and again and again. I used to

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Speaker 11: have more money in my pocket. Things used to be

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Speaker 11: more affordable. The government is not delivering for me. But

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Speaker 11: there are endless wars around the world, you know. And

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Speaker 11: obviously Trump cynically and disingenuously spoke to those things, in

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Speaker 11: addition to also promising to punish his enemy and you know,

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Speaker 11: playing on a kind of cruelty as well. He also

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Speaker 11: said cheaper prices and of wars, right, And those are

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Speaker 11: the things that we heard all over the city, especially

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Speaker 11: in those neighborhoods. And when Zoron then said I'm running

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Speaker 11: for mayor to freeze your rent, make buses fast and free,

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Speaker 11: deliver universal childcare, they said, I'll come back and I'll

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Speaker 11: vote for you. And we are actually seeing that tonight.

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Speaker 6: How much of that?

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Speaker 5: And then if you guys, I won't have a question,

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Speaker 5: but you know, how much of that agendas, affordability, freeze,

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Speaker 5: the rent, buses, fast and free kind of float out

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Speaker 5: of those conversations.

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Speaker 11: So the kind of three pillars of this campaign preceded that.

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Speaker 11: We launched the campaign on October twenty third, just a

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Speaker 11: few blocks from here at a different venue in Long

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Speaker 11: Island City, and we launched with those three three signature promises.

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Speaker 11: We have added more, we have talked about more since that,

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Speaker 11: but but those have been the core three and those

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Speaker 11: are the ones that people remember and literally shout at

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Speaker 11: Zoran as he moves around the city, and those have

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Speaker 11: always stayed the same. And I think it's that that focus,

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Speaker 11: that relentless discipline on that agenda that has popularized it

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Speaker 11: around the city and allowed us to stay the chorus

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Speaker 11: despite as you know, a lot that's been thrown out us.

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Speaker 11: Oh yeah, like Bernie with the metacare poal thing.

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Speaker 3: That's the phrase that Emily, Yeah, Emily, do.

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Speaker 11: You have any questions?

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Speaker 9: Can you hear us? Okay? Andrew? I wanted to make

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Speaker 9: it okay perfect.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask you a little bit about

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Speaker 1: all the attacks on zoron as you know, anti semitic,

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Speaker 1: and how you guys thought about those attacks and also

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Speaker 1: how he coped with them, because I know we saw

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Speaker 1: a moment where he got emotional on the campaign trail

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Speaker 1: in response to a question about that.

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Speaker 11: It's painful, you know, it's it's really painful to have

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Speaker 11: those accusations, terrible, terrible accusations leveled that you when they're

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Speaker 11: not true and they've never been true, and they've never

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Speaker 11: been who he is or what the spirit of this

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Speaker 11: campaign has been about, which has always in all of

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Speaker 11: his politics has been about universality. Every single person deserves

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Speaker 11: the same thing, freedom, justice, dignity, peace, everybody, no exception.

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Speaker 11: That's been what's motivated his politics and to have that

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Speaker 11: twisted into bigotry or hate against any group of people.

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Speaker 11: To have that and then to be relentlessly hounded about

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Speaker 11: a very narrow set of questions when he has spent

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Speaker 11: the whole campaign focused on lowering costs, delivering affordability, making

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Speaker 11: the city work better for working people is difficult. And

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Speaker 11: he has had moments of vulnerability where he's also said,

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Speaker 11: I haven't been more vulnerable because of what happens, especially

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Speaker 11: to people of color, to Muslims, when they express emotion,

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Speaker 11: it can be twisted in a different way. He had

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Speaker 11: that authentic moment, the genuine moment of a profound, owned

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Speaker 11: sadness about that. But he's incredibly resilient and has spence

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Speaker 11: and just every single time gotten back on why we're

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Speaker 11: running this campaign, and that has broken through. It really has,

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Speaker 11: you know, I mean, yeah, so please, Oh no.

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Speaker 7: I was going to say, actually, now, it looks like

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Speaker 7: you guys are in a position remarkably to be talking

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Speaker 7: to New Yorkers who are voting outside of just the

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Speaker 7: Democratic primary.

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Speaker 3: And if that's the case, people.

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Speaker 7: Have been sort of relentlessly battered with that message from

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Speaker 7: the Cuomo campaign and also the message that businesses are

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Speaker 7: about to flee in mass and the city's going to

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Speaker 7: collapse if Zoron becomes mayor so as you guys kind

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Speaker 7: of may have to broaden your messaging now to people

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Speaker 7: outside the dun primary.

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Speaker 3: What is your message to.

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Speaker 7: People who have heard all of the scare mongering about

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Speaker 7: what could happen under a Mamdani mayorship.

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Speaker 11: You know, one thing Zarana said throughout this whole campaign

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Speaker 11: is there is not an ideological majority in New York City,

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Speaker 11: but there is a majority of people who feel disillusioned

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Speaker 11: with the political system and alienated from the economic system

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Speaker 11: and feel the strain of the cost of living crisis.

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Speaker 11: And so I actually, I don't think the message really changes.

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Speaker 11: I think it continues to be this relentless economic agenda

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Speaker 11: is focus on cost of living, on our core policies.

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Speaker 11: We're already seeing that resonate beyond registered Democrats. And I

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Speaker 11: think Zoran in the same way that Bernie Sanders is

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Speaker 11: one of the most popular politicians in America outside of.

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Speaker 9: You just call it.

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Speaker 6: It's a brad Lander. Let me move.

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Speaker 10: Okay, it looks like there's a little bit of chaos.

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Speaker 3: It seems like is Brad.

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Speaker 11: Lander taking the stage.

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Speaker 10: Uh, we don't have audio yet on this, but Emily, what.

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Speaker 12: Are you saying?

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Speaker 3: Can you thank Andrew for us?

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Speaker 11: Of course?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you Andrew, My pleasure.

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Speaker 11: This has been thanks, such a pleasure and honor. I

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Speaker 11: can't wait to let's see you guys. We'd love to

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Speaker 11: have you back sometime. My pleasure, anytime.

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Speaker 9: Thank you, guys.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for everyone who joined the live watch

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Speaker 1: party of the Zoran versus Cuomo election last night. We

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Speaker 1: were supposed to during that live stream get to covering

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Speaker 1: a bunch of the new details regarding Trump and Iran

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Speaker 1: and the leaked intel report that actually the attacks on

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Speaker 1: the Iranian nuclear sites were not fully successful, but we

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Speaker 1: were so busy covering the election results that came out

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Speaker 1: much faster than anyone predicted. Because of the margin, the

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Speaker 1: extraordinary margin of Zoron's victory.

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Speaker 9: Didn't actually get to it.

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Speaker 1: But that's okay, because we've got some new comments from

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Speaker 1: Trump out this morning that I want to go ahead

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Speaker 1: and bring to you.

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Speaker 9: So let me go ahead and put this up on

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Speaker 9: the screen.

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Speaker 1: So, as I just said, Trump is raging that a

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Speaker 1: leaked intel report came out in multiple news outlets indicating

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Speaker 1: that contrary to what he had said, those Iranian nuclear

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Speaker 1: sites that we dropped dropped massive bombs on, they were

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Speaker 1: not actually completely destroyed. So he is very upset and

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Speaker 1: he is disputing by the way that Intel and will

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Speaker 1: get to more on that later, but just take a

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Speaker 1: listen to what he is saying about the news outlets

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Speaker 1: that revealed this information.

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Speaker 13: Very bad demeaned by fake news.

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Speaker 14: CNN, which is back there, believed in wasting time, wasting it.

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Speaker 14: Nobody's watching them, so they just wasted a lot of time,

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Speaker 14: wasting my time. And the New York Times they put

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Speaker 14: out a story that, well, maybe they were hit, but

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Speaker 14: it wasn't bad. Well, it was so bad that they

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Speaker 14: ended the war.

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Speaker 10: It ended the war.

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Speaker 14: Somebody said in a certain way that it was so devastating. Actually,

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Speaker 14: if you look at Hiroshimo, if you look at Nagasaki,

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Speaker 14: you know that ended a war too. This ended a

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Speaker 14: war in a different way, but it was so devastating. Also,

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Speaker 14: they have out of Dubai just came that Iran's Foreign

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Speaker 14: ministry this is a rans Farmers says, it's near its

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Speaker 14: nuclear installations were very badly damaged by the American strike.

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Speaker 14: So what bothered me about these reports with fake reports

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Speaker 14: put out by the New York Times, failing. I got

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Speaker 14: the failing New York Times because it's doing terribly.

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Speaker 8: Without me, it would be doing.

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Speaker 12: No business at all. But and by fake New.

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Speaker 14: CNN and MSDNC, all of these terrible people. You know,

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Speaker 14: they have no credibility. You know, when I started, there

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Speaker 14: were ninety four percent credibility the media. Now it's at

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Speaker 14: sixteen percent. And I'm very proud of it because I've

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Speaker 14: exposed it for what it is.

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Speaker 12: But when I.

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Speaker 14: When I saw them starting to question the caliber of

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Speaker 14: the attack, was it bad, Well, it was really bad.

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Speaker 14: It was devasted. They obliterated fa You can't get into

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Speaker 14: the tunnels, they just put that over that just came out.

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Speaker 14: They can't. There's nothing, there's no way you can even

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Speaker 14: get down. The whole thing is collapsed to the disaster.

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Speaker 9: And I think, so there you go.

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Speaker 1: That's what Trump is saying about all of this. And

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Speaker 1: this is a pretty exuordinary development as well. Let me

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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen here, so our own

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Speaker 1: intel this is the New York Times report that Trump

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Speaker 1: is referring to.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 1: There was clearly a leak from the intel community saying

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Speaker 1: preliminary classified findings indicate The attacks sealed off the entrances

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Speaker 1: to two facilities, but did not collapse their underground buildings.

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Speaker 1: I'll read you a little bit of this preliminary classified

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Speaker 1: US reports is the American bombing of three nuclear sites

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Speaker 1: in Iran set back the country's nuclear program by only

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Speaker 1: a few months. According to officials familiar with the findings,

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Speaker 1: the strike sealed off the entrances to two of the facilities,

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Speaker 1: did not collapse their underground buildings. Before the attack, US

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Speaker 1: intel agencies had said if Iran tried to rush making

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Speaker 1: a bomb, it would take about three months. After the

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Speaker 1: US bombing run and days of attacks by the Israeli

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Speaker 1: Air Force, the report by the Defense Intelligence Agency now

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Speaker 1: estimated the program had been delayed, but by less than

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Speaker 1: six months. That report also said much of iran stockpile

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Speaker 1: of and enrich uranium was moved before the strikes, which

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Speaker 1: destroyed little of the nuclear material. Iran may have moved

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Speaker 1: some of that to secret locations. I suspect basic you know,

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Speaker 1: based on publicly available satellite information and other analyzes of

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Speaker 1: people who know a lot more about this than I do.

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Speaker 1: I suspect that assessment is in fact correct, But also

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Speaker 1: I strongly suspect that the people who are leaking this

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Speaker 1: assessment of saying, like, what are you talking about? You

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Speaker 1: obliterated these nuclear sites? You didn't, you did, you barely

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Speaker 1: accomplish anything. They moved all of the enriched uranium beforehand

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Speaker 1: because they had such a heads up here, and you

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Speaker 1: didn't even destroy these facilities. And oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: there are other facilities. So yeah, you've set them back

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Speaker 1: a little bit, but ultimately not that much. I am

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Speaker 1: quite sure the people who are leaking that assessment are

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Speaker 1: people who want us to go back to war directly

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Speaker 1: with Iran. So the information they're putting out, which again

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Speaker 1: I believe is accurate based on what we know publicly

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Speaker 1: of you know what we were and weren't able to

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Speaker 1: accomplish with these bombs that we foolishly dropped on Iran.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to say, listen, you're claiming victory. You're claiming

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Speaker 1: that Iran can no longer pursue a nuclear weapon. You

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Speaker 1: President Trump have laid down foolishly again a red line

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Speaker 1: saying Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. You didn't accomplish that.

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Speaker 1: So they're trying to push a continued logic to war.

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Speaker 1: Now this is all Trump's own fault, because we've all

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Speaker 1: been saying, you know, myself, Zager, Emily Ryan, like Dave Smith, all,

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Speaker 1: you know, plenty of people who and plenty of people

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Speaker 1: probably within his own administration as well. Misteve Bannons and

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Speaker 1: the Tucker Carl since the world have been saying, no,

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Speaker 1: if you actually want to try to prevent Iran from

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Speaker 1: racing towards a nuclear weapon, you've just done the worst

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Speaker 1: possible thing. The best thing you could have done is

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Speaker 1: remain in diplomatic negotiations and be able to pursue an

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Speaker 1: actual diplomatic settlement like oh, the JCPOA that Trump got

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Speaker 1: out of in his first administration. So by bombing them,

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Speaker 1: he has created more logic for them now to pursue

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Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon and made that much more likely. So

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Speaker 1: he is given ammunition to the Hawks and the neocons

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Speaker 1: who want to keep this war going and want us

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Speaker 1: to fully commit to total war with Iran. So this

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Speaker 1: leaked intel report, this is the next sort of salvo

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Speaker 1: from that group. Again, I think it's accurate. I think

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Speaker 1: he's you know, I think he's lying when he says

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Speaker 1: this is these were completely obliterated and is just trying

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Speaker 1: to be able to claim a victory. And so what

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Speaker 1: they're trying to do is give ammunition to those who say, no,

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Speaker 1: you did not, You did not destroy the nuclear weapons program.

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Speaker 1: You yourself said they can't have a nuke. So that

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Speaker 1: would mean you have to go back to bombing them.

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Speaker 1: You have to re engage in this conflict, and you know,

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Speaker 1: and get more fully invested in directly using bombs, destroying

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Speaker 1: the Iranian capability. Because Trump himself really blew up the

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Speaker 1: possibility of a diplomatic very likely destroy the possibility of

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Speaker 1: a diplomatic resolution at this time. So the next move

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Speaker 1: from Trump, and this is again absolutely extraordinary. This is

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Speaker 1: from Barack Revide. He says, the White House sent to

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Speaker 1: reporters a statement by the Israeli Atomic Energy Commission that

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Speaker 1: claims US strike on Photo destroyed the site's critical infrastructure

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Speaker 1: rendered the enrichment facility inoperable. Revied goes on accurately to state,

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Speaker 1: this is a highly unusual case of the White House

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Speaker 1: releasing a statement on behalf of an Israeli security agency.

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Speaker 1: The statement was not distributed to the Israeli or international

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Speaker 1: media by the Prime Minister's Office, which is responsible for

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Speaker 1: the Atomic Energy Commissions Press. So, just like the US,

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Speaker 1: Trump relied on the Israeli assessment that the Iranians were

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Speaker 1: actively pursuing a nuclear weapon, discarding our own intelligence community,

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Speaker 1: discarding the assessment of the IAEA, the international body that

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Speaker 1: was monitoring this. He relied on the Israelis convincing him no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I promise they were pursuing a nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 9: That's why you have to bomb.

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Speaker 1: Now you have the president sharing not our own intelligence

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Speaker 1: community assessment of what happened here. Again, the Israeli's assessment

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Speaker 1: of what happened here just absolutely extraordinary and so unusual.

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Speaker 1: What is going on in the same time, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of indications that the Iranians were able

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Speaker 1: to strike significant blows against Israel. Let me just show

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Speaker 1: you a little bit of the Iranians after this quote

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Speaker 1: unquote ceasefire, however, along this hills or whatever it means

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Speaker 1: at the moment, there were a lot of Iranians who

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Speaker 1: were out in the street. You can see them celebrating

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Speaker 1: here because you know, if you think about it, from

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Speaker 1: their perspective, they took much more Very likely, although it's

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Speaker 1: kind of difficult to tell, they took much more significant blows,

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Speaker 1: certainly in terms of the death toll and the infrastructure

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Speaker 1: toll than the Israelis did. But the Israeli's goal was

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Speaker 1: regime collapse of regime change. Israeli's goal was to destroy

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Speaker 1: the Iranian nation. The Iranian nation was not destroyed. The

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Speaker 1: government is probably actually stronger and enjoys more credibility based

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Speaker 1: on the reports we've gotten with the people. So from

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Speaker 1: that perspective, the Iranians feel like they've achieved a success

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Speaker 1: because they were able to exact enough damage on the

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Speaker 1: Israelis that the Raelis kind of had to take this

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Speaker 1: ceasefire and at least take a break.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm very skeptical that this is going to

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Speaker 1: be an end to the conflict because I don't think

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Speaker 1: bb nat Nyahuo woke up today and was like, you

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Speaker 1: know what, Iran can, Let's live, and let live my

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Speaker 1: multi decade goal of destroying this country. I'm all finished

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Speaker 1: with that. I'm all through and you can see that

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Speaker 1: from the you know, the leaked intel report is an

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Speaker 1: indication that the people who want more war, they are

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Speaker 1: still going to work and they have some tools and

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Speaker 1: some leverage because of the corner Trump has backed himself

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Speaker 1: into in a lot of respects, they still have some

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Speaker 1: leverage to try to effectuate their outcome of total and

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Speaker 1: complete war. So the Iranians feel actually that they have

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Speaker 1: something to celebrate right now because they feel like they

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Speaker 1: were able to do enough damage to Israel that that's

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Speaker 1: what created the compelling reason for Israel to need to regroup.

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Speaker 1: We had the reports that there were low on interceptors.

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Speaker 1: You know, the military sensors really kicked in hard to

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Speaker 1: keep us from seeing how widespread the extent of the

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Speaker 1: damage was. But let me go ahead and show you this.

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Speaker 1: President Trump himself admitted that the Israelis took quite significant damage.

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Speaker 9: Let me go ahead and.

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Speaker 1: Play this for you as well. This is also from

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Speaker 1: that NATO summit.

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Speaker 7: Bigger right.

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Speaker 13: Look, you know, they've got a country, and they've got oil,

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Speaker 13: and they're for smart people and they can come back.

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Speaker 13: Israel hit very hard, especially the last couple of days.

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Speaker 13: Issue has hit really hard. Those ballistic missiles. Boy, they

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Speaker 13: took out a lot of buildings and they've been great

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Speaker 13: being that. Yeah, who should be very proud of himself,

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Speaker 13: and they've really been great.

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00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: So he says there that Israel was hit very hard.

882
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon echoed a similar sentiment and explains, and I

883
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: think he's right about this, explained that the part of

884
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: the reason for the ceasefire right now is that Israel

885
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: needed to be saved. In his words, let me go

886
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: ahead and play for you what he had to say.

887
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 15: Yes, so they took the This ceasefire was as much

888
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 15: to save Israel. That's the hidden story here. They bid

889
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 15: off way more than they could chew. They were played

890
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 15: out as far as yesterday was a brutal day for

891
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 15: the citizens of Israel, took horrible incomings, particularly in Tel Aviv,

892
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 15: and I guess Bersheba also they needed this because they

893
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 15: were running a defensive ammunition and Presidence Trump stepped in

894
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 15: there with the help of guitar. Look, you know, we've

895
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 15: come a long way since seven years ago when Qatar,

896
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 15: you know, would not worked with us on stopping the

897
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 15: financing of Islamic terrorism, the financing of it. And they

898
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 15: come a long way. They've stepped in the middle of

899
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 15: the situation in Gaza, and they stepped in the middle here.

900
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 15: And President Trump is going his way to praise them,

901
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 15: and he's not going to have his way to praise

902
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 15: net Nyahu's government, which I think is getting to be

903
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 15: an issue.

904
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Speaker 1: So pretty interesting comments there. He said, you know, the

905
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Speaker 1: ceasefire really was to save the Israelis, very counter the

906
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Speaker 1: media narrative, but as I said, I think there's something

907
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Speaker 1: to that. That's not to say that the especially the

908
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: initial Israeli onslaught in Iran was quite devastating. You know,

909
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: the number of officials who they were able to assassinate,

910
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, the amount of infrastructure they were able to destroy.

911
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: But it's also very clear they were depending on they

912
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: could not accomplish their objectives, and they still can't accomplish

913
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: their objectives, which are regime collapse without the UN the

914
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: assistance of the United States. And so we were reading

915
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Speaker 1: all these reports from Wall Street Journal and other places

916
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: that this As this war went on, it was a

917
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Speaker 1: race between okay, how many missiles do the Iranians have

918
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Speaker 1: and how many interceptors do the Israelis have, And some

919
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: of the tension between you know, Israelis was spilling out

920
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 1: into the public at the amount of damage that the

921
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: Iranians were able to, you know, we're able to effectuate.

922
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: Within Israel, you had citizens who of course are you know,

923
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Speaker 1: having to go into underground bunkers.

924
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Speaker 9: Every day.

925
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: Life is completely disrupted, the airport is completely closed. And

926
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Speaker 1: so I do think that the reason why Israel was

927
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Speaker 1: willing to accept the ceasefire at this point was a

928
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: chance to regroup. Now that doesn't mean they're done, far

929
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: from it. I guarantee you Net Yahoo is scheming right

930
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: now how to get this thing kicked off again. And

931
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: those are incredibly powerful, powerful forces. We also don't have

932
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: a track record of Donald Trump in any way consists

933
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: stantly standing up to Israel at all. In fact, I

934
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Speaker 1: think you should continue to be you know, maybe he's

935
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Speaker 1: earnest in his frustration with NATANYAHUO.

936
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Speaker 9: We don't know.

937
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,479
Speaker 1: But it's also possible that this is also theater, because

938
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Speaker 1: we've seen theater deployed in the service of furthering this

939
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: conflict directly from Donald Trump before. So in any case,

940
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: where we are this morning, is Trump is very upset

941
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: at the leaks from the neocons about the assessment that

942
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: the nuclear sites were not destroyed. He is using Israeli

943
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: intelligence to try to, you know, assert that no, no, no,

944
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: it accomplished the goals. But because of the way that

945
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: he has backed himself into a corner of destroying his

946
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: own diplomatic negotiations, putting in place a hard red line

947
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: of Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. He's left himself

948
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: vulnerable to these sorts of you know, these sorts of

949
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 1: manipulations to try to get this thing kicked off again,

950
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Speaker 1: and not assuming that he himself doesn't share the goal

951
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Speaker 1: of the Israelis of getting back into this conflict after

952
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Speaker 1: some sort of a pause, which I don't think we

953
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: can put off the table either. The last piece that

954
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to share with you is we're getting the

955
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: first pulling in about how popular Trump bombing these Iranian

956
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: nuclear sites ultimately was. I will tell you with the

957
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: Republican base and specifically with the magabase, it's now that

958
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: Trump did it, it's very popular. Ninety four percent of

959
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: MAGA aligned Republicans say they support the strikes, even though

960
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: before Trump did it, the numbers were not that great

961
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: for you know, they were still like kind of favorable,

962
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: but pretty mixed. Once Trump did it, you now have

963
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: ninety four percent of self identified MAGA Republicans who are like, oh,

964
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: Trump did it, so it must be great. Broadly though

965
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: the public much less supportive and let me go ahead

966
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: and play this Harry Entin clip, and then I'll tell

967
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: you a little bit on the other side why I

968
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: think this is actually pretty extraordinary that these numbers, even

969
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 1: initially are as low as they are.

970
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 16: Yeah, these things are moving quite quickly, but these are

971
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 16: initial readings. And I will say, from a historical perspective,

972
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Speaker 16: I am surprised that the net approval rating is so

973
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 16: low on these strikes. And it's in two different polls.

974
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 16: It's our CNN SSRs poll twelve points underword one thumbs down.

975
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 16: How about the Rotner Zipsos poll. Look at that the

976
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 16: exact same reading, minus nine points underwater two thumbs down.

977
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Speaker 16: And why am I so surprised from a historical perspective,

978
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 16: because usually air strikes rate fairly highly. What are we

979
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 16: talking about. Let's go back through the time machine net

980
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 16: approval of US air strikes. You see it here around

981
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 16: minus eleven points underwater on the average. Compare it to

982
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 16: isis back in twenty fourteen, fifty eight points in the

983
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 16: positive direction. So this is a nearly seventy point difference.

984
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 16: That is why I'm so surprised from a historical perspective,

985
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 16: because normally these air strikes rate quite highly but this one,

986
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 16: you go back through history, it rates as the lowest

987
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 16: that I could possibly find on the historical record.

988
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 1: And that is exactly why it surprised me as well,

989
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: and why I was wrong, somewhat wrong in my assessment

990
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: of what the popularity of these attacks would be. I

991
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: was concerned that, actually, you know, among certainly I knew

992
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: the Republicans would support it, and they do, but I

993
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: thought some significant chunk of independence would as well, simply

994
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: because throughout my life, people in this country have supported

995
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: bombing other nations.

996
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 9: And that's just the unfortunate fact.

997
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: The propaganda machine ramps up, people get the sense that

998
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: this is going to be mission accomplished, that it's going

999
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: to be quick and easy and painless, and we're going

1000
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: to accomplish whatever goal we're being sold at the time.

1001
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 9: And so, at least in.

1002
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: The very early days, they're usually, as Harry Enton points out,

1003
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: there there's usually pretty broad support. The fact that there's

1004
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: not really is so noteworthy, so incredibly noteworthy. I would

1005
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: attribute it to a few things. Number One, there was

1006
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: so little effort at a propaganda campaign build up. You know,

1007
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: it just was like all of a sudden, we're supposed

1008
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: to be kind of out and overhere, convinced that what

1009
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: was going on in Iran was existential over the assessment

1010
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: that we got from our own intel community just a

1011
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: few months ago. I mean, I do that that testimony

1012
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: from Tolsey Gabbard, which was played everywhere where, she's saying no,

1013
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: very clearly no, our assessment continues to be they're not

1014
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: pursuing a nuclear weapon. I think that really undercut the

1015
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: very haphazard and unimpressive propaganda efforts that came out of

1016
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: the Trump administration to try to justify this. So I

1017
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: think that's part of it. I think the fact that

1018
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: you know now have this much more robust independent media

1019
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: landscape is another significant part of it, where it's just,

1020
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, if you're going to manufacture consent, you're going

1021
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: to have to do a lot more work than they

1022
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: were ultimately able to do. And so people just weren't

1023
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: really buying that this was necessary right now, that this

1024
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: was going to accomplish the goals, that this wasn't going

1025
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: to create incredible tremendous risks. And then a third factor

1026
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: is just you know, most of the country is very wary,

1027
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: understandably so, of getting involved in some new Middle Eastern quagmire.

1028
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: Regime change does asterisk boondoggle. So maybe most of the

1029
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: elites in this country haven't learned the lesson, But according

1030
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: to these numbers, the majority of Independence and Democrats certainly

1031
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: have learned the lesson and are not willing to gamble

1032
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: the way that President Trump really did with these strikes

1033
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: on Iranian nuclear facilities. Now where we are today, there's

1034
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, a possibility that things quiet down for a while. Again,

1035
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm very skeptical, and I know Soccer is also very

1036
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: skeptical that this is the end and it's wrapped up

1037
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: in peace forever, as Trump says. But we're also very

1038
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: fortunate that the Iranians decided, in response to our dropping

1039
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: these you know, a dozen giant bunk or buster thirty

1040
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: thousand pounds bombs on one of their key nuclear sites,

1041
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: attacking two other key nuclear sites, that their response to

1042
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: that was so muted and so theatrical, you know, it

1043
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: was just meant to be a show of Hey, we

1044
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: could get you in Qatar at your you know, largest

1045
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: air base in the region, but we're going to tell

1046
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: you in advance to make sure there's no damage, so

1047
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: that there's a possibility of some sort of a de

1048
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: escalitary off ramp. Now, I think the logic of the

1049
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 1: Israelis again in agreeing to this ceasefire in this moment,

1050
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: is not because they want the war to be over.

1051
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: It's not because they feel they've accomplished their objectives. Their

1052
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: objectives are regime change or regime collapse that obviously hasn't

1053
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: been achieved. It's because they needed to regroup, as Trump

1054
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: himself seems to indicate. As Steve Bannon says there, Israel

1055
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: needed a chance to regroup so that they could continue

1056
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: a sort of phased approach. But their desire to destroy

1057
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: this regime has not ebbed. They still continue to be

1058
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: incredibly powerful within this administration, as we saw in the

1059
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: first Trump administration as well. And so you know, my

1060
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: fear is that right now this is far from over.

1061
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: There are also some reports, and I want to see

1062
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: this confirmed in more places, that the Iranians is Iranians,

1063
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Iranians are withdrawing from the nuclear oversight regime, which.

1064
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 9: I mean many.

1065
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: I'm not the only one that John Meerscheimer tell you this.

1066
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Sachs will tell you this. Anyone who's looking at

1067
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: this from an objective perspective, will tell you that what

1068
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: we have done has created all the incentive in the

1069
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: world for the Iranians now to develop nuclear weapons outside

1070
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: of an inspections regime in the same way by the

1071
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: way that the Israelis did and will create a similar

1072
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: logic for other countries around the world. So we already

1073
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: have some early indications that that's exactly the direction that

1074
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: they're moving in. So that's what I've got for you

1075
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: this morning, Sagar and Now will be back with a

1076
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 1: regular full show tomorrow. We've already got some fantastic guest booked.

1077
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm excited to, you know, to bring that to you.

1078
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: We'll have a full breakdown of all the latest book

1079
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,919
Speaker 1: of gard to Iran. Sure we'll can continue to cover

1080
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Speaker 1: There's been a delicious miltdown over Zoron's victory, both from

1081
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: the more Joe types who or you know, there's some

1082
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: real hard coping on the Democratic side. The Republicans are

1083
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: losing their minds. You've got these psycho groups, Zionist groups

1084
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: like Betar Worldwide is saying that the Jews must evacuate

1085
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: New York City. I mean, based on the margin of

1086
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: victory here I'm quite confident that zor On probably one

1087
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: Jewish voters overall in New York City. So anyway, there's

1088
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: so much to talk about with that race. Continued to

1089
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: talk about what it's going to mean for the future

1090
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: and what the reaction has been, so I'm sure we'll

1091
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: have more of that for you as well. In the meantime, guys,

1092
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: enjoy your day, thank you for your support, and I

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Speaker 1: will see you.

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Speaker 9: Sud