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Speaker 2: So have you guys heard about the latest humble brag?

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Speaker 2: According to the Walls Street.

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Speaker 3: Journal, I'm gonna tell you right now.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 4: I thought for a minute they was gonna say I'm

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Speaker 4: going on a cruise.

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Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal says the new power move for

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Speaker 2: a listers and executives. Does anybody answer to that? Here?

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Speaker 2: Danny Surrek, Darren Urban poly podcasts, So I think we're

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Speaker 2: all on the outside looking in. We'll have to take

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Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal's word for it. Apparently here Darren

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Speaker 2: that skipping coffee is the latest humble brag. Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: keeping it Like you are caffeine free. You are productive,

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Speaker 2: you are professional, you are on the you're a go getter.

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Speaker 2: Yet you are caffeine free.

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Speaker 3: That's me.

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Speaker 2: Oh nice, Okay, I'm not well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for the most part, Like I don't. I don't

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Speaker 5: have coffee on a daily basis. Maybe like certain scenarios

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Speaker 5: if we have a late night here at work and

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Speaker 5: then we have an early morning or no, we're gonna

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Speaker 5: have a long day, like y'all, I'll go stop and

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Speaker 5: get a coffee. But I don't make coffee my apartment.

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Speaker 5: I don't pick it up every morning. I'm also not

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Speaker 5: the kind of person I'm like, you know, it's a

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Speaker 5: Saturday Sunday morning and it's like, ooh, let's go get

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Speaker 3: That's what I want. That's just not me.

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Speaker 5: But like we've had like early meetings before, Like I've

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Speaker 5: grabbed a coffee before, So I'm not like anti coffee.

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Speaker 3: I'm right, like in the right setting, but I don't

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Speaker 4: See, I didn't even really drink any coffee until I

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Speaker 4: was like forty two. And then and now I'll do something.

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Speaker 4: But like we have like in the office, we have

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Speaker 4: like a a upscale coffee machine that gives you coffee

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Speaker 4: drinks besides just regular coffee.

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Speaker 3: That was a nice way to not say the brand.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's true. Well so I but I can

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Speaker 4: take it or leave it. I don't have to have

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Speaker 4: it every day. How is that a power move?

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Speaker 2: They start this story by saying that a person's order

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Speaker 2: in the coffee shop can be a kind of personality decoding.

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Speaker 3: That is overwhelming to me.

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Speaker 2: Right, like black black coffee devotees are hardcore according to this. Right,

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize that was so hardcore.

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Speaker 3: I just yes, he's a coffee every more coffee.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: Well, after twenty years of the morning radio Danny, I

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Speaker 2: had no choice. I was pretty much anti coffee. No

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Speaker 4: And I'm not big I read I read an article

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Speaker 4: If you're ordering just black coffee, you're having to wait

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Speaker 2: So I went to a certain coffee shop couple months

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Speaker 3: Doing a great job. By the way of not naming

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Speaker 3: any brands, continue.

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Speaker 2: I went to this one very popular worldwide coffee shop

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Speaker 2: in the last eighteen months, and I ordered my standard,

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Speaker 2: of mine, I'm like, and it was my turn to buy,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, what what could he have ordered? That

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Speaker 2: it had everything in it, including whipped cream and different

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Speaker 3: Sad, sounds like a zach Erschman order.

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Speaker 2: So by the way it says here kind of shape,

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Speaker 2: you are a Paul I mean no he gizelle bunch

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Speaker 2: and start surremonnings with room temperature water with a bit

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Speaker 2: of lemon and Celtic salt.

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Speaker 5: No, lemon water are supposed to be very good for

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Speaker 4: Room temperature water sounds disgusting.

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Speaker 2: Mark Cuban just goes with decalf. He made the transition.

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Speaker 2: Yannish the basketball superstar ops for a smoothie. So once again,

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Speaker 2: that's what I have in.

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Speaker 3: The mornings, I have a smoothie.

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Speaker 4: Are we Are we thinking that those people would be

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Speaker 4: any more less a lister if they were drinking coffee.

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Speaker 2: I just don't know. Just telling you it's a humble

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Speaker 2: brag doesn't mean it's valid or warranted, or there's any

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Speaker 3: That's me.

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Speaker 2: It's all in the eyes of the beholder. In fact,

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Speaker 2: could I.

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Speaker 4: Say the same to learn how to humble brag better?

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Speaker 2: Here comes a segue in three two one. Could I

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Speaker 2: say the the same thing about an ota? When we

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Speaker 2: cite that the vibe in an ota is excellent, that

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Speaker 2: in the eye of the beholder? Or are you truly

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Speaker 2: sensing that, Darren? After two decades of OTAs, do you

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Speaker 4: It feels pretty decent. But let's face it, I'm not

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Speaker 4: I mean OT's are a lot different than when I

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Speaker 4: In fact, I was talking to a person that's going

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Speaker 2: But doesn't mean the players aren't out there though. Being active,

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Speaker 4: There to see it.

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Speaker 5: That's why I feel like the vibes are high to

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Speaker 5: go off. Our vibe curator Darren Urban is, oh man,

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Speaker 5: that's gonna be cut for.

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Speaker 3: Us as soon as those words.

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Speaker 5: As soon as I finished saying that, I know that

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Speaker 5: that is going to be clipped out and used in

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Speaker 5: an open for pregame radio show.

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Speaker 3: This year.

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Speaker 2: That's unfortunately, nothing will be as embarrassing as what I

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Speaker 2: put on tape at the end of the Red Sea

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Speaker 2: Report earlier today.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, the vibes are high because OTAs are still voluntary,

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Speaker 3: It was open to the media.

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Speaker 4: Almost everyone there was one or two the name they

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Speaker 4: shall name Jesus.

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Speaker 2: There you go, Darren, put that in the open.

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Speaker 4: Get this the hell out of here.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I guess I nameless.

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Speaker 4: They're going to be nameless.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well we did not.

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Speaker 5: I guess we can talk to Okay, Wow, Okay, anyway,

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Speaker 5: I guess almost every everyone was there, and this is

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Speaker 5: still voluntary. And it wasn't long ago when we were

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Speaker 3: And that's not the case.

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Speaker 5: All of the leaders are there, and I think that

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Speaker 5: lot from OTA's it's phase three of the off season workouts.

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Speaker 5: So the players are in helmets, right, they can line up,

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Speaker 2: Dare I say that this sort of attendance and buy

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Speaker 2: and that was the Big Red Purge, was it not, Darren?

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Speaker 2: Because once again there are five Purge movies, The Purge,

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Speaker 2: the Purge Anarchy, the Purge Election Year, the First Purge,

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Speaker 2: the Forever Purge, and then the Big Red Purge. And

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Speaker 2: I think after that standard was set last off season

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Speaker 2: there are like, Okay, what's the one way to motivate

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Speaker 2: in any professional sports league? Job security? And when you

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Speaker 2: who keep heat hitting us up for Xavier Weaver coverage

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Speaker 2: a lot of following out of Boulder. I'm just saying, Darren.

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Speaker 4: Already know this. Danny is is freaking out over here,

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Speaker 4: because I think at some point Paul actually went and

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Speaker 4: looked at an old Bengo card and said, I'm going

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Speaker 4: to hit every single one of those.

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Speaker 2: Nice. That's good. Uh, I've never seen a Bengo card,

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Speaker 2: but I can't play to a crowd. I have been

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Speaker 2: we'll throw that out there. No, I'm serious. I think

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Speaker 2: It's a production business, results oriented business, you know. Diana

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Speaker 3: That's the one.

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Speaker 2: Can I also venture to say, and if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 2: I mean, just the fact he had the best RVA

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Speaker 4: with the Cardinals, all kind of the same with the Arians,

439
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Speaker 4: But eight oh nine is when I really think of it.

440
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 4: You know, this was a team that Wiznut comes in. Uh,

441
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 4: they go five hundred this first year, and then the

442
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 4: second year they have to really good start. They clinched

443
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 4: the division way early. They tail off, then they make

444
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl run, and then in twenty in two

445
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 4: thousand and nine, they won the division again. They won

446
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 4: ten games and it was a solid season, but they

447
00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 4: were coming off the Super Bowl. There was expectations the ride,

448
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 4: the lift up, the getting to five hundred and Wizduns

449
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 4: first season when it they had struggled to even get

450
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 4: there most of the time in Arizona. And then the

451
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 4: next year, as bad as the last part of the

452
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 4: regular season was that year the ride to be a

453
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 4: division winner, to win early in the season, and then

454
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Speaker 4: that Super Bowl run. There's there's something about that first

455
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 4: move up the roller coaster. Yep, when it hits, it hits,

456
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 4: And and that next year they won more games in

457
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 4: the regular season, but it wasn't the same because you

458
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 4: were expecting them to win and everything. And I'm like,

459
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 4: right now, we're at that very beginning part of the

460
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 4: roller coaster going up, and this is the really fun part.

461
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 4: This is the this is the anticipation of what's to

462
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 4: come and if everything comes together, this is this is

463
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 4: the most fun when you even if let's just say,

464
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 4: for argument's sake, they win eight games this year, will

465
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Speaker 4: it be somewhat disappointed because you're expecting them to maybe

466
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 4: challenge for the playoffs perhaps, But if you win eight

467
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 4: games this year and then you continue to improve your

468
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 4: team and you know what's coming next year, this is

469
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 4: to me the most fun part to be around a team.

470
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Speaker 2: It's funny because we've likened this Cardinals turnaround to the

471
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: Honolulu blueprint. Write what they've done in Detroit with the Lions.

472
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 2: Don't forget two years ago in twenty two they started

473
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: one and six and then they ripped off this run

474
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: at the very end almost made the playoffs, and then

475
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 2: that carried over into last season all the way to

476
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 2: the NFC Championship game. They end up blowing the double

477
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: digit lead in the second half against the forty nine ers.

478
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Speaker 2: But you had a Lions team that new things were changing,

479
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: They had more talent, they had a different mentality. Still,

480
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: they started one and six, but then all of a sudden,

481
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 2: it just hit to your point sort of like is

482
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: this on the Bengo card?

483
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Speaker 3: If I do a stock market card right now, Paul,

484
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: I need to print more.

485
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Speaker 2: Do you know the top three companies on the face

486
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 2: of the earth yause? What it's Apple in terms of

487
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 2: size and just mark it's it's Apple, It's Microsoft, it

488
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: used to be Google, and now it's Nvidia, the semiconductor

489
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 2: chip company that's come out of nowhere. When it hits,

490
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 2: it hits, and you could be that stock in the NFL.

491
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: You can be that team in any league that all

492
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: of a sudden, think of the Sons Darren, I'm going

493
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 2: to go back to old school Sons for just one moment.

494
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 2: They were a sixty lost team and they brought in

495
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: Steve Nash, and all of a sudden, they were a

496
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 2: sixty win team like that.

497
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 4: Like old school Nash And that's like the two thousands.

498
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 4: I thought it was av.

499
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Speaker 2: I wasn't going back to sweet D and double A

500
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: and all that, like coach Bud.

501
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Speaker 4: Did you know that the Suns should have gotten luel

502
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Speaker 4: cinder and they lost the coin flip all.

503
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Speaker 3: The Sun socker. We didn't talk about the MAVs and

504
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 3: the Stars.

505
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Speaker 4: Oh wow, this is a no Luca zone.

506
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 2: Yea no, but we are going to talk about about

507
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: the offensive line. Here's my quick little anecdote for those

508
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: of you who have yet to consume Big Red Rage

509
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: and give you a quick highlight. We had Christian Joe

510
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: on this week and I said, give me a moment,

511
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 2: give me a learning moment as a rookie. Anything happened

512
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: so far? You know, it's sort of an early welcome

513
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: to the NFL moment? He said, Oh, yeah, happened earlier

514
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: today at practice. I got absolutely schooled on a pass

515
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 2: rushing move. Just guy Blue right past me. I said

516
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: to myself, I've never seen a move like that in

517
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: my life. What was that? I gotta go back on

518
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 2: film and study that. And I said, okay, can you

519
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 2: name names? Dennis Gardak, I said, was it the guard

520
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 2: deck spin move? You know it is patent and spin

521
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: move where it's a spin bun And he said no.

522
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: He said he did this deal where he kind of

523
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: gave me his hands, pulled back his hands, and then

524
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: ripped past me. And he said as he moved past me,

525
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: because he got me leaning forward and then I was done.

526
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 2: And as he came back past me, he flashed me

527
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 2: a smile, so like welcome to the NFL rook.

528
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 4: Jedi Star Wars move. I think that's what Christian Jones

529
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 4: called it.

530
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Speaker 2: So that was really interesting. But that was my segue

531
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Speaker 2: into the offensive line because he said, yes, all his

532
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: eyes have been on went in doubt. He looks at

533
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 2: Paris Johnson Junior, because here's the guy who just made

534
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Speaker 2: that transition.

535
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Speaker 3: Obviously, now he's got to look to the left side.

536
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 5: Yes, because we learned that that was something we talked

537
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 5: about since last season ended.

538
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: Didn't Will say he looks over there longingly with longing eyes.

539
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 3: Everyone next to each other.

540
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 4: Danny was the one who asked Paris about it. I

541
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 4: did day after the season.

542
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 3: I did in the locker room.

543
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Speaker 5: I'd said, are you going to train on both sides

544
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 5: if your number is called upon? Because at that point,

545
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 5: I mean we we DJ Humphries had already you know,

546
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 5: tours acl and Paris had said, I'm going to train

547
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 5: both sides this offseason. If that's where my number is

548
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 5: called upon, that's w'ere I'll be ready to play. Paris

549
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 5: has extensive experience there his final year at Ohio State,

550
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 5: That's where he played. He also has experience inside a

551
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 5: garden on the right side, which is kind of how

552
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 5: he ended up at right tackle anyway. However, Gannon announced

553
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 5: ahead of Monday's practice that they were going to move

554
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 5: Paris over to the left side to be tackle, and

555
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 5: Jonah Williams, who they were acquired this offseason, it's going

556
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Speaker 5: to be right tackle, which is where he played last

557
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 5: year with the Bengals. Right from some so that that'swhitch

558
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 5: is official.

559
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 4: I mean, it makes a lot of sense. Jonah Williams

560
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 4: came into the league as a left tackle, played there

561
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 4: for a few years. When they signed Orlando Brown. I

562
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 4: believe it was last year to play the left side.

563
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 4: They told Jonah he was moving to the right side.

564
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 4: In the moment, Jonah was not a happy camper, But

565
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 4: once he got to OTA's in training camp, he had

566
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 4: accepted the role playing on the right side and actually

567
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 4: felt a little more comfortable there than he thought he

568
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 4: was going to And if you look at his numbers

569
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 4: and a great again, you can look at all kinds

570
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 4: of numbers, and people have been arguing on my timeline

571
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 4: since I tweeted out the news about this change, about

572
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 4: how Jonah Williams wasn't good on the right side. Whatever,

573
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 4: you can find the stats that say he actually improved

574
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 4: when he moved to the right from the left on

575
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 4: a bunch of different metrics. So I think the fact

576
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 4: that he is probably comfortable there, I'm fairly certain that

577
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 4: he was. They let him know when he signed he

578
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 4: was going to be playing the right side, and I

579
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 4: think this has been in.

580
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Speaker 2: The works for a while, and because right after he

581
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: was signed, NFL Network reported that Paris Johnson Junior was

582
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: going to the left side, and we guess they got

583
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: that from Joonanah Williams.

584
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 5: Probably, and I would guess that you know what, we'll

585
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 5: never know because this is not what reality was. I

586
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 5: do think based on what you know, the Cardinals have

587
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 5: moved on from DJ Humphries, But based on how I

588
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 5: was contract was set up, had he not gotten hurt,

589
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 5: I still think there was a chance that the Cardinals

590
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 5: would have moved on from him and slotted Paris over

591
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 5: to the left side. It's pretty clear that when he

592
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 5: was drafted last year, the goal was for him to

593
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 5: be your long term blind side tackle.

594
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: And to be the pillar on this offensive line.

595
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 5: And the unfortunate business side of this game is that

596
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 5: the opportunity presented itself for the Cardinals to kind of

597
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 5: seamlessly move him over to the left, and this is

598
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 5: the time to do it. He got the experience on

599
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 5: the right side, he got through his first year, played

600
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 5: every snap on offense, and this is the time where

601
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 5: you really make sure going into year two where you

602
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 5: expect to see a jump of Okay, let's get him

603
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 5: in the spot where he's comfortable, and let's set him

604
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,479
Speaker 5: up for long term success and to be a Cardinal

605
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 5: for a very long time.

606
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: Remember he played every single offensive snap a year ago.

607
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: Paris Johnson Junior and I asked Christian Jones in the

608
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: interview for The Big Red Rage. She's the fifth round

609
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: rookie tackle who was a four year starter at Texas.

610
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: I said, do you want to hear the list of

611
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: premiere pass rushers that Paris Johnson Junior faced a year ago?

612
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: Here we go Aaron Donald twice, Nick Bosa twice, Montes

613
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: Sweat twice, TJ Watt who had nineteen sacks, Trey Henderson

614
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 2: who had seventeen and a half, Micaeh Parsons, Miles Garrett,

615
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: and it goes on from there. Caveon Thibodeau, he had

616
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: Will Anderson junior, and then he had some interior Pro

617
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: bowlers like Justin Madebueke and Jonathan Greenard. As an outside

618
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: guy has Son Reddick. So he got more than a

619
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: rookie in Doctor Nation a year ago. Playing right tackle.

620
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: Now it goes over to the left side, and it

621
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Speaker 2: leaves us with one position on that old line that

622
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: is going to be ultra uber competitive, will it not.

623
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: I mean, we have like a half dozen dudes who

624
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: are seemingly theoretically in the mix for left guard, well.

625
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 3: Unlikely going to be Will Hernandez.

626
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 5: I did ask him that of the chemistry he built

627
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 5: with Paris, if there was a chance that he also

628
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 5: moves from right guard to the left side, where Hernandez

629
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 5: has experience, and he all but said no. He said,

630
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 5: you know, I'm at the point in my career where

631
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 5: I'm comfortable playing wherever I need to on both sides.

632
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 5: But it doesn't seem like that is the plan. So

633
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 5: when you look at the depth chart where it stands

634
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 5: right now, your options are Elijah Wilkinson, Evan Brown the

635
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 5: Cardinals brought in this offseason, maybe a younger player right

636
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 5: like Adams right Igne if they want to if they

637
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 5: Tristan Cologne, if they want to move Isaiah Adams inside

638
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 5: a guard to start, So you have options. It does

639
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 5: seem like though, I mean, the rest of the old

640
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 5: line is set, yelled of Froholt has experience, a guard

641
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 5: that's been made clear he's going to stay at center

642
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 5: this year. So it's really just that one spot, with

643
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 5: the exception maybe a swing tackle that you're looking at

644
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 5: some heavy competition.

645
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: I mean, lest we forget Big Mo Marquis Well.

646
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: John Gaines was in sweats on Mondays, Yes I was.

647
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: I was looking you know what that every time I

648
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: mentioned big Mo, she throws out, John, I feel like

649
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: a kick up back.

650
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: Do John Gaines?

651
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Speaker 5: I mean, he tours a cl and the final preseason

652
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 5: game last year, and as a as a bigger guy,

653
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 5: as alignment, you would expect that would take maybe closer

654
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 5: to that year mark recovering from an ACL to kind

655
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 5: of hit where you can kind of be full go.

656
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Speaker 3: And that's we don't even know the details. I mean, it's.

657
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Speaker 5: Possible that they opened up his knee and it was

658
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 5: worse than they expected, so instead of a nine month recovery,

659
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Speaker 5: it's twelve. We don't have those answers. So if anyone

660
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 5: else was wondering though about John Gaines, he was in

661
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 5: sweats on Monday.

662
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 4: I was looking John Gaines, if you're listening, reach out

663
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 4: a quickly.

664
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Speaker 5: I just want to know where you're gonna play. I

665
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 5: just want to know how you're feeling, how you're doing I.

666
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: Mean, or he could be at a schedule in there

667
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: ego lifting as ye provosts still.

668
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: Good last through training camp in the preseason.

669
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Speaker 2: By the way, Darren I had this down. I don't

670
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: think we got to it last week. Did you not

671
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: tweet out top five rookies with the best chance.

672
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 4: To start and in order why I wrote about it.

673
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: Okay, So Marvin Harrison Junior one, Max Melton, the corner two,

674
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: Darius Robinson three, Isaiah Adams four, Tip Ryman five. Now,

675
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: at first glance, there's really nothing wrong with that until

676
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: you really go next level. And dare I say Marvin

677
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: Harrison Junior number one. Absolutely, he's a kin to Paris

678
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: Johnson junior. He's a day one start of the moment

679
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: he got drafted, they turned the card in number two,

680
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: Max Melon. Okay, I'll agree with you on that they

681
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: have aned a corner number three. I'm gonna throw Isaiah

682
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: Adams in there. I think he could even be your

683
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: clubhouse leader at left guard right now. And because I

684
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: believe Darius Robinson, although worthy based on early returns, were

685
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,719
Speaker 2: hearing out there. And by the way, Christian Jones did

686
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: say Darius Robinson was by far the best d lineman

687
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: of the Senior Bowl. Let that hang in the air

688
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: for just a moment. I do believe that the two

689
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: veteran guys, highly paid guys, Justin Jones and Ball Nichols,

690
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: will be your starter.

691
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 4: So just based on that, So you're saying there's only

692
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 4: gonna be two of them.

693
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. That's that's gonna be the

694
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: tot least start the first depth chart. So I'm gonna

695
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: move Daris Robinson out of my top five, and I'm

696
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: gonna throw Rabbit in there at four. Casey has a

697
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: shot at maybe nickel corner, and then I'm gonna go

698
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: off the board for Xavier Thomas and Elijah Jones in

699
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: a tie for fifth, guys who might threaten to be starters.

700
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 5: As you don't hang on well before we gets that,

701
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 5: are you saying You're starting cornerbacks are going to be

702
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 5: Elijah Jones and Max.

703
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: Melton, not Sean Murphy, Jean Murphy, Bunting and Elijah Jones.

704
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: Maybe behind Max Melton in terms of probability, but I'm

705
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: throwing him in there.

706
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 4: I want to back up a minute, So what what

707
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 4: is your The Cardinals are playing the Bills. The Bills

708
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 4: come out their first uh, their their their first whatever

709
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 4: the season, first player of the season, three wide? What

710
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 4: what what did the front seven look like?

711
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: MM front seven? I would say, you have and here

712
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: we go. Uh, I would say you have the two

713
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 2: the two outside linebackers will be named Oh yeah, okay,

714
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 2: Zamon Collins, b jo Jelai Okay, that's two okay, Kaiser White,

715
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 2: mac Wilson, Blall Nichols, Justin Jones. And then from there

716
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: it depends on what Nick rosis is dialing.

717
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 4: Don't you trying to avoid saying Darius Robinson so he

718
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 4: doesn't have to.

719
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: Say, start, are you going with another down line?

720
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 4: I'm asking.

721
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: If you're going three wide, I'd say there's another backer

722
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 2: out there? That would be my question. So who is

723
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 2: it at this point? Where is my list of backers exactly?

724
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: And uh, I can go through that depth.

725
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 3: Chart and Jalen Thompson, here's the thing.

726
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you could end up with a nickel

727
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: or a dime in that situation easy in terms of

728
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: the secondary. So that's you know, it's it's fluid. As

729
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 2: we found out from Ross.

730
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 3: We got no answer from Paul.

731
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: That's all I'm thrown out there.

732
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 4: You just wanted to throw me under the bus.

733
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of Tip Ryman, I have to

734
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: call something up. Danny showed this to Darren earlier. It's

735
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 2: a conspiracy theory that hopefully I didn't x out of.

736
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: Do you remember Jeff Driscoll, By chance.

737
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: Of course, I do. How could I forget?

738
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: Okay? And then when Tip Ryman was drafted, I found

739
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: myself saying, you know what, where have I seen this guy.

740
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 4: Screenshotting and having as a photo?

741
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: Ill see what I should have had this loaded into

742
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: the system. Look at the photos and the comparisons. Jeff

743
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 2: Driscoll and Tip Ryman. My phone's gonna be replace next month.

744
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 3: Oh can I show this to the camera Jeff.

745
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: Driscoll and Tip Ryman. I don't know if you can

746
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 2: zoom in on that exactly, just get closer. My question

747
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: is Jeff Driscoll.

748
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 3: Me, it's just the camera has to take it.

749
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, except nobody's paying attention.

750
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: The driscoll who went away not so close on my face?

751
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that was so like that was.

752
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: Sort of a van of white moment, you know, holding

753
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: that up there.

754
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 4: See, if I had time, what would I would prefer

755
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 4: to do is have a big picture of Tip Ryman

756
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 4: and then a big picture of Chad Burns and arteam illustrator,

757
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 4: our team artist, who also looks like the younger, less

758
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 4: or older, less chiseled Tip Ryman.

759
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

760
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: Tip, Tip just looks like a bulkier version.

761
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: And that was my question. Did Jeff Driscoll go away

762
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: and put on thirty pounds and come back as tip ryman.

763
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: That's what I want to know.

764
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: I wouldn't ask that I know the I know that.

765
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: I know the box score indicates that he left the

766
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: Cardinals at the very end of last season and started

767
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: the final game of the year for Cleveland. Yes, but

768
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: you know, and then.

769
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 4: Dalk Paul Paul didn't realize.

770
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, Derek, go ahead, Darren, and then the plot gets

771
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: The plot thickens when Darren offered this off.

772
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 4: That Jeff Driscoll plate tight end in the NFL for

773
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 4: a little while with the Texans.

774
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: Ah, there you go.

775
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 4: I was not even aware of that, and then went

776
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 4: back to quarterbacks.

777
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 5: This is a new conspiracy theory and I love that

778
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 5: for you. Maybe you'll get a Reddit thread.

779
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 2: Apparently apparently apparently Aaron Rodgers met the media earlier today.

780
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 2: So you know, from one cow guy to another, I'm

781
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: gonna throw out another conspiracy theory. How about that. I'll

782
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: throw that out there, by the way, Aaron Rodgers. Aaron

783
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 2: Rodgers vowed that he's not no more distractions between now

784
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: and the rest of the shes.

785
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: Going into another silent room.

786
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 5: I did not that the Chargers. They don't even play

787
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 5: the Jets, and they still took some jabs at Aaron

788
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 5: Rodgers in their schedule release video. Everybody right, but they

789
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 5: don't even play the Jets.

790
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: I never really saw the full thing where the Chargers

791
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 2: put out What sort of jeb did they take against

792
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: their Week seven opponent, the car Cardinals.

793
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 4: Do we mention that or are we yes? They they

794
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 4: actually had the It was an animated meme, you know,

795
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 4: the famous meme with the Grim Reaper with the multiple doors,

796
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 4: the computer name and then the door. The middle door

797
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 4: that death was coming out of was the post that

798
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 4: we had of Josh Rosen quoting Cliff Kingsbury, he's our guy,

799
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 4: and then it was and then it was going into

800
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 4: a door years ago. It was going into a door

801
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 4: that had the Kyler Murray social posts about he's our

802
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 4: QB one and if you look far enough to the left,

803
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 4: props to them because this is going away and the

804
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 4: Easter eggs the Chargers do is quite impressive. The door

805
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 4: on the far left had our Chicago Bean win post.

806
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: I see. So basically their game plan is don't let

807
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 2: any other team live down. Any moment in their.

808
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: Team has that's the that's their brand, that's their social brand.

809
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 4: I got you. That will not be our social brand.

810
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 4: Just so everybody can listening, can spread that, spread that out.

811
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 4: That will not be our social band.

812
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: We feel better about our own five win season by

813
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: poking fun and everyone else. That's basically the mantra. If

814
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: I understand that correctly, And I haven't really seen him

815
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: year to year, but I'm just okay.

816
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 4: It's all about trying to decide what you want to do,

817
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,479
Speaker 4: like there are different ways you can leverage your brand,

818
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 4: and there's no question that around schedule release time, the

819
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 4: chargers of the most talked about team, So you.

820
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: Know he's getting some talk out on the field. There's

821
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 2: another segue bringing him back to OTA's bj Ojalai and

822
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 2: what number, Darren? You did the story in Azycardinals dot Com.

823
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 4: I did well. I think everybody knows by now he's

824
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 4: wearing nine because Marvin Harrison is wearing his eighteen. And

825
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 4: I got a chance to talk to him last week

826
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 4: and he insists there was no transaction, that there was

827
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 4: just a conversation, all right.

828
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: Really nice of him to defend his.

829
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 4: Teammate like that, and they chopped it up and the

830
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 4: decision was made to let Marvin have eighteen.

831
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: Does that mean it was a lot of money?

832
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's uh, you know.

833
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 4: I asked him directly. I said, I'm not looking looking

834
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 4: for details, but I said, was there a transaction involved?

835
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 4: And he said no, We just talked about it.

836
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: Did you pull a Ron Wolfley and ask him his

837
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 2: weight as he put on weight in it looks like he's.

838
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 4: Put on way.

839
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Speaker 2: He does look like it.

840
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 4: He looks incredible, like an incredible and he half our

841
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 4: conversation was about the uniform number, of course, because eighteen

842
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 4: was important to him, and you know, he picked it

843
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 4: very specifically when he came out, so a lot of

844
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 4: people were surprised he was willing to give it up.

845
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: But because at LSU you have to earn it and

846
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: there's a lot of prestige to go.

847
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 4: You're essentially to be able to wear eighteen in college

848
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 4: at LSU, you are deemed like the epitome of what

849
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 4: it means to be an LSU football player. So it

850
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 4: means a lot to him. But we also talked about

851
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 4: how big this second year is and the reality is

852
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 4: is they need him. They didn't. They didn't sign an

853
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 4: Ed rusher. They drafted one edge rusher and it was

854
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 4: in the fifth round in Xavier Thomas. So I think

855
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 4: that puts a lot directly on the back of b

856
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 4: Joe Jolari to be that guy. Now you know, he's like,

857
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 4: I want to be all around. I know everybody talks

858
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 4: about sacks and that's what gets you paid and gets

859
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 4: you recognition. But he goes, I want to be that guy.

860
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 4: When the other team's looking at me, saying I don't

861
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 4: know if he's gonna rush, I don't know if he's

862
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 4: going to drop into coverage. I don't know what he's

863
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 4: going to do. He goes, I want to be that guy,

864
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 4: and I think it's interesting, and I do. I've always

865
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 4: liked bj I think he's incredibly intelligent. He talked about

866
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 4: how he's more getting more outspoken with the team, and

867
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 4: I think he definitely struck me last year as a

868
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 4: person when I talked to him as one of those

869
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 4: rookies that came in wanted to do a lot of

870
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 4: be seen not heard yep, and he's getting a little

871
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 4: bit better about it. I think he he can be

872
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 4: more of a personality than he has shown because he's

873
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 4: getting more comfortable and I do think he's going to

874
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 4: be incredibly important to this pass rush in this front seven.

875
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: Again, they have capital invested. He's a high second round pick,

876
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: Zaving Collins sixteenth pick overall. So and then you bring

877
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: in Dennis Gardick and Xavier Thomas and some other guys

878
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: off the edge. So that combined with the fact that

879
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: you bolstered the interior D line. We talked about that

880
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: last week. What Kyle Vannenbosch said the only three times

881
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: he went to a Pro Bowl is when he had

882
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: a Pro Bowl defensive lineman next to him. So if

883
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: you were to build up to and bolster the defensive

884
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: line room like the Cardinals did, then okay, how does

885
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: that trickle and apply.

886
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: To the edge guys immediately?

887
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 5: This is going to be a big year for that

888
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 5: room in terms of long term decisions that are going

889
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 5: to be made this time next year by the front office.

890
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 5: You have strengthened your D line, so if you've got

891
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 5: more pressure, right, that's going to allow your edge dressers

892
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 5: to kind of get off a little quicker.

893
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: And also focusing on the back side of the defense.

894
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 5: The DB's room the way that this team has Okay,

895
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 5: going to force the quarterback to maybe hang onto the

896
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 5: ball a little more. Those decisions are doing are setting

897
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 5: up a pass rushroom for success. Now, this is a

898
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 5: big year. I mean b J Jalari's going into year two.

899
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 5: Zavon Collins is essentially going into year two as well,

900
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 5: after making the move to full time outside last year.

901
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 5: So this is for those two specifically, but then also

902
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 5: the room as a whole. Decisions are going to be made.

903
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 5: Their play is going to be incredibly important. Zavion Collins'

904
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 5: fifth year option was not picked up right, so he

905
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 5: needs to have a great year in order to get

906
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 5: a contract to play here this time next offseason. B Jjalari,

907
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 5: there's a big expectation that you make a big jump

908
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 5: going into year two. It's his first time having a

909
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 5: full off season. So the moves that this front office

910
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 5: has made on the defense sets up this pass rush

911
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 5: group to have success, to show what you're capable of

912
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 5: and kind of make decisions from there. But it's an

913
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 5: immediate trickle down effect from addressing the cornerbacks room as

914
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 5: heavily as they did in the draft and adding in

915
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 5: Sean Murphy Bunting in the off season and all the

916
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 5: moves they did on the D line.

917
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Savan Collins another guy. When you I mean you

918
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 2: watch him out there, You're like, all right, what's in store?

919
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 2: And then you realize, just in hearing from all the coaches,

920
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: including JG at the owner's meetings, at the breakfast and

921
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: a year from some of the position coaches, I almost

922
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: like in what Zamon Collins needs to do this year

923
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: to what Gronk heard at the Tom Brady roast. All

924
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: the jokes about him being a caveman and Neanderthal me, Gronk,

925
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 2: you know those kind of Zaven needs to just dumb

926
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: it down. He's so smart, he played Mike linebacker the

927
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: year before. He thinks about it at such a great level.

928
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 2: Just think less, savage more. Just go ahead of your

929
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 2: your sixty five, two sixty plus and you can move.

930
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: Just go out there and just wreak some havoc instead

931
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: of thinking so much through it. That's my translation as

932
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: to what the coaches are telling him this offseason, and

933
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: then we'll find out whether actually, you know, Parlay's into

934
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 2: sacks and getting to the quarterback.

935
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 3: I like that motto, think us savage more.

936
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good. I think I'm trying not to give

937
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 4: Paul too much credit. I know you will back I will.

938
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 4: I do think the Zavon Collins thing always kind of

939
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 4: it's an interesting thing because you talked about earlier about

940
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 4: bringing in the guys that create the culture, like it's

941
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 4: not just but it's it's about the people. I think

942
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 4: Zavion Collins is absolutely one of those people. But just

943
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 4: because you bring in the right people doesn't mean they

944
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 4: can play. And I'm not trying to say Xavion Collins

945
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 4: can't play, but like you have to play at a

946
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 4: certain level to maintain your spot. No matter what, even

947
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 4: if you're the perfect person for the culture, you still

948
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 4: got to be able to do stuff on the field

949
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 4: to like make it work. So that that'll be an

950
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 4: interesting thing how we do it this year, how it

951
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 4: comes out.

952
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 2: I mean, when we were talking to Christian Jones, you

953
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: just said, there seems to be a type that they're

954
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 2: gunning for with every offensive lineman they bring in, big game, maller, athletic.

955
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: Those are like the three key words that are in

956
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: every single offensive lineman's scouter report, seemingly that they either

957
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: draft or they bring in. And I just asked him, Okay,

958
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: do you resemble those remarks, Christian, you know he talked about, okay,

959
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: how he was at a certain point of his career

960
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 2: at Texas and he just revers the old line coach

961
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: at Texas and he sat him down after i think

962
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: his first year as a starter, said you're a big

963
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: man who doesn't play big, doesn't play big enough, meaning

964
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: you need to get nasty. You need to impose your

965
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: physicality on people. More excellent footwork, former soccer player, we

966
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: get it. Now, you need to get dirty, you need

967
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: to muck it up, you know, think less, savage, more

968
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 2: whatever you want to go. And so Christian Jones said, yeah,

969
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: that was a big turning point in my career as

970
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 2: a college offensive lineman. I think I still have upside

971
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: in that department, et cetera, et cetera. But once again

972
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: to Darren's point, Zamon Collins checks every one of those

973
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: boxes except maybe that last part of that equation. And

974
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: does he have the ability to show that now. When

975
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: he was starting Mike linebacker, he was more than physical enough.

976
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: But okay, now off the edge, it's a different game.

977
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: What's interesting is I've really remember Dennis Gardek saying this

978
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: time last year about how it would be a much

979
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 2: easier position for Zaven to play because there's so much

980
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 2: less to think about when you're the mic linebacker. You're

981
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: calling the defense, you're calling the checks, any other sort

982
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: of adjustments you're making to an offense that's audibling. You

983
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 2: got to worry getting communicating to all three levels of

984
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: the defense at times. Heck, you're off the edge and

985
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 2: it's just okay, is a play coming at me? Or

986
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: is a game going away from me?

987
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 4: I don't know, Paul, You're you're one of those people

988
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 4: that overthinks things all the time. I mean, you should

989
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 4: be able to understand that nothing's quite that simple.

990
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 2: One of the few things I can relate to in

991
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: the NFL is that what you're saying. Okay, So there's that.

992
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: You said it out o anything else or anyone else

993
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 2: stand out.

994
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, seeing number four out there.

995
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 5: Talking about that, it's Greg George now, so it looks

996
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 5: a lot like Rondelle, not Rondaeple.

997
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: Same height just about. And yeah, we'll see who's going

998
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: to screw that up more on the air. You know

999
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: how many how many play by play guys, namely me,

1000
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: are going to mess that up.

1001
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 4: In August, I did see the NFL is talking. We

1002
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 4: didn't get to go to Brazil this year, guys, Yeah,

1003
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 4: or London, But the NFL has obviously been looking at

1004
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 4: other places. There's been talk of a game in China.

1005
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 4: There's been talk of a game. I think somewhere else.

1006
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 3: I'm trying to Australia.

1007
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 4: Well that's where I was going to go, Australia, like

1008
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 4: they're now talking about.

1009
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: Talked about Dublin last week, Dublin.

1010
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 4: And I think, yeah, so, but I know that, like

1011
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 4: the Australian one would be incredibly difficult logistically because of

1012
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 4: how far away it is from everybody. So I don't

1013
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 4: know how easily that would be done. And I'll be honest,

1014
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 4: I don't know if I want to go to Australia

1015
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 4: if I'm a team, Like have you seen some of

1016
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 4: those videos on YouTube of like some of the critters

1017
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 4: that live out in Australia, like snakes, kangaroos, What do

1018
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 4: you mean, Oh, they're like giant bugs and spiders, like

1019
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 4: look it up sometime.

1020
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 5: Like, but I get scared living in Arizona, then I'm

1021
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 5: gonna like walk out and step on a rattlesnake.

1022
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 4: So that's what I'm saying. Go to YouTube and like

1023
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 4: Google like Australian critters or whatever, and.

1024
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: I want to do that.

1025
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 5: Well, we're not going to Australia. But where are we going, Paul?

1026
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 5: You've been asking Darren and myself where we're going for

1027
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 5: pre season for joint practices.

1028
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: That's that's the same.

1029
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 4: Now you know she's professional.

1030
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 3: There, I segue to you, if.

1031
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: Only we were going to Indianapolis, the home of the

1032
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 2: Motor Speedway, the Brickyard, this weekend for the five hundred alas,

1033
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: we're going to go in August for a joint practice.

1034
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 3: So now Darren and I don't have to smile and

1035
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: be awkward when you ask us anymore.

1036
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 4: That's a good point.

1037
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 2: Why once again, always the last to know? Uh So anyway, okay,

1038
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: Indianapolis thoughts reactions. It's going to lead up to this

1039
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 2: second preseason game instead of after the second preseason game? Correct?

1040
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 4: Yes, correct?

1041
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 5: Okay, So the Cardinals host the Saints for that first game,

1042
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 5: then likely go to Indie play the Colts, I would assume,

1043
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 5: come home, and then you play the Broncos and in

1044
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 5: Denver and see it's.

1045
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: Vital for like the head coaches have that relationship. So

1046
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: things start to get a little chippy, things start to

1047
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: get a little too competitive. The two coaches can huddle

1048
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: up and go okay, right, and they can come to

1049
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: a meeting to the minds because they're on the same

1050
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 2: page and they have a history together.

1051
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 3: So and then has that with Shane Stuckan. They were

1052
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: in Philly together, the cult side coach.

1053
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: And then you realize how influential his days as a

1054
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: Colt's assistant coach was to him, like doing his TV show,

1055
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 2: like he would talk about that a lot when the

1056
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 2: Cardinals went to play Chicago in his days under Matt

1057
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: Eberflus in the respects for Flus or whatever they call him,

1058
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: and and so you mean what that goes back to

1059
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: the Colts days, and then Chris Ballady has a Colts

1060
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 2: relationship with the Colts GM.

1061
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: So all right, see, I like a couple of weeks

1062
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 3: ago when it was asked.

1063
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: To WLU it was flu was what it was going.

1064
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: And one did JG's.

1065
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 5: Pressers a couple of weeks ago, and someone had asked

1066
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 5: if it was official, and he made a comment and said,

1067
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 5: I'm ninety nine percent sure, which means I'm not positive.

1068
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 5: And I learned that from Frank Reike of unless you're

1069
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 5: one hundred percent positive.

1070
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: And I was like, hmmmm, was that a hint?

1071
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 2: So the good news is there's no way the heat

1072
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 2: and humidity index can be nearly as severe as Minnesota

1073
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 2: last year, right, dot dot dot, So we have that

1074
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: to look forward to. No matter how human it might

1075
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 2: be a tornado, it will never reach the heat index

1076
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: that we saw in Minneapolis last year.

1077
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 3: That was brutal.

1078
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 4: It was just yeah, I mean, I bring your bucket hat, Paul.

1079
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: I give I love how Wolf went. Remember Wolf didn't

1080
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 2: bring a hat, that's right, didn't bring a hat.

1081
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 5: They obviously didn't have anything non Vikings branded. I think

1082
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 5: he got tape or something to courage it.

1083
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: He got tape after he got take in because he

1084
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: paid more than fifty dollars for a bucket hat at

1085
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: the Vikings merchandise.

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Speaker 4: And what I think happened is is we got there

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Speaker 4: early and then like as practice was starting, the equipment

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Speaker 4: guys I think got the Cardinals hat.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, the equipment guys are literally like, Wolf, what

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Speaker 2: are you doing? Just ask us for a hat? Why

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Speaker 2: did you go spend fifty bucks on the opposing team's

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Speaker 2: bucket hat that you're now trying to convert into a

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Speaker 2: neutral bucket hat. Now.

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Speaker 4: I will say one of the cool parts about the

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Speaker 4: Viking Strip was like our hotel was literally like within

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Speaker 4: walking distance of the practice facility. I do not think

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Speaker 4: we're going to have that option this year.

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Speaker 3: But I've never been to the Colts practice facility.

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Speaker 5: I've only ever been to Indianapolis for the Combine and

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Speaker 5: then one other time in the winter, so I've never

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Speaker 5: even been there in August.

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Speaker 3: I don't hope it's not too humid.

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Speaker 2: So I have the two of you down for the

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Speaker 2: walking tour of the Brickyard. We're gonna go check out

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Speaker 2: the Indianapolis five hundred, the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. It's a

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Speaker 2: two and a half mile oval, so bring your walking shoes.

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Speaker 2: You guys want to do that in the middle of

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Speaker 2: the afternoon for that.

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Speaker 3: I might have plans. I will can't stay can. I

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Speaker 3: think you're free though you're busy.

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Speaker 2: That's good, Darren. I'll put you down and that'll do it.

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