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Speaker 1: again by the man, the myth, and the legend in

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Speaker 1: his own mind. David Gascon is here west of the

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Speaker 1: side these days. Come on, you know, that's the people

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Speaker 1: to Siberia. But yeah, it's it's different than it has

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Speaker 1: it was that cold. Yeah. Well, my experience was in Stanford, Connecticut. Uh,

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Speaker 1: He's been with the Dallas Cowboys for forty years. When

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Speaker 1: And Brad welcome man, Thanks for thanks for doing this

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Speaker 1: Number one. Number two man, How how has this been

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Speaker 1: this year with COVID and all the changes. It's been

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Speaker 1: a wonky year. How's it been for you? It's ridiculous, Ben,

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Speaker 1: from outtakes of Viking games when Christian Ponder was the

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Speaker 1: Viking quarterback and uh yeah, let's just say that was

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Speaker 1: not um the smoothest era of Viking football. Yes, and

431
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: he threw that's like shades of Ryan Linley at Arizona

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Speaker 1: with the Cardinals when he had to play a playoff

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Speaker 1: game and had a like a completion percentage of Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But Paul Allen, who we should. I gotta get, we

435
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 1: gotta get. We were talking about having him on the

436
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: podcast from Minnesota. We would love to get Paul Allen

437
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 1: on and break it down. But Paul Allen his call was,

438
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: why why would you even ponder passing? It was? It

439
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: was hilarious, it was it was so. And then the

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00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: other one, um, I think it was I'm pretty sure

441
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: this was Paul Allen. The Vikings were playing the forty Niners.

442
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: This is actually a few years back, not that long ago,

443
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: and the Niners the big story. They signed a guy

444
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: from the Aussie League, an Australian league football guy, remember,

445
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 1: and he was the punt returner. Yeah, and so it

446
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: was like a Monday night or a Thursday night game.

447
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: I forget which, but it was his first game and

448
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: he they Vikings punt the ball of the guy and

449
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: he drops it and Paul Allen screams the odds he

450
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Speaker 1: must It was perfect. It was so and for years

451
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Speaker 1: we play that. Unfortunately robertos new and so like every

452
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: time I change engineers, like all the old drops vanish

453
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 1: because that's a previous engineer, and so then we have

454
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: to you know, you have it's like their own fingerprint

455
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: on the show where they play their own drops, and like,

456
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: we lost a lot of the genie and met for stuff,

457
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: but in Robertos put some new things and we've got

458
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: some new toys that we play with, which I'm fine

459
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: with because that keeps the thing fresh. Right. We can't

460
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: you can't keep playing the same drops that I played

461
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: with Art Martinez in Tree. You can't do it now

462
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: because stuff changes. And I mean back then we were

463
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Speaker 1: playing the drops were like Jeff Garcia Crisp was a drop,

464
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Speaker 1: Alan Iver was in practice it was what was the

465
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: his mom's name, I forget his mom, but did you

466
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: want to tell you that screaming into the microphone? That

467
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: was a funny drop that we played a lot. It

468
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: was an incident with Ivers and his girlfriend at the time.

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00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: And yeah, soh so all that, but yeah, I mean, listen,

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00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: Sham's an all time great He's done a bunch of

471
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: other stuff too. We didn't get into it, like he

472
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: actually left the Cowboys for a couple of years to

473
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: do the Texas Rangers. Yeah, he was a tech. So

474
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: he's done both the NFL and Major League Baseball, done

475
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: a bunch of college games, uh and so, and it

476
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: was great to talk to him. Yeah, And I like

477
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: the fact because he's he's seen the top of the

478
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: mountain and also the basement in the years that that

479
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: Trey Aikman was there in Dallas. I mean, obviously they

480
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: won a couple of Super Bowl three Super Bowls, but

481
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: that team was also dreadful prior to that. I think

482
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: they were one in fifteen, the year prior than going

483
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: on that run. So he's seen some some god awful

484
00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: football and then he's seen the best of the best. Yeah,

485
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: and you know, you do it and we're gonna get

486
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: into this too. Like it's it is different. It's obviously

487
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: different when you're calling you're supposed to say, wow, it's

488
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: the same, you know, and all that stuff when you

489
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: when you're calling it. But but it's a lot more

490
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: fun when the team is good. You know, when you're

491
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: polishing turds, it's it does not it's not as he's

492
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: like the old line. I love the Ralph Lawler back

493
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: in the day in his computer like mind, the great

494
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: Ralph Lawler. But you know, when you're calling the Clippers

495
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: and they're terrible, and then when they're good, it's it's

496
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: obviously a lot more fun. But you're it's like you're

497
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: the voice of doom. You know, it's like when you're calling,

498
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: it's like the exact opposite for sports talk radio because

499
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: you want chaos, and ma'am hell, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

500
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: absolutely know. I've always said the greatest sports talk radio

501
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: is teams losing. The better stories in the losing locker room.

502
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: That's where the stories. It is, absolutely where the story is,

503
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: because uh and I know this and I have lived it,

504
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: because I was able to do Dodger Talk very lucky

505
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: in my career and also, believe it or not, remotely,

506
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: I did the Red Sock Review Show, which is their

507
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: version of Dodger Talk, and I noticed the same tendencies

508
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: in l A and Boston, thousands of miles apart that

509
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: when the hometown team won, not a lot of excitement,

510
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: not a lot of buzz right when things were going well,

511
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: But when they lost, all right, oh my god, you

512
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: gotta fire the manager, the pitching coaches a bum. You

513
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: gotta trade this guy, Joe blow, get him out here,

514
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: bring in Johnny six pack. You know, the whole thing.

515
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: And uh and I love the the chaos and the

516
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: reason for that is actually a great John F. Kennedy

517
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: quote right that victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat

518
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: isn't orphan, And that's right, it is because you know anybody,

519
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: and when you win, everyone wants to kiss your ass

520
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: and tell you how great you are. So that's why

521
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: the better stories and losing locker room because then you

522
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: gotta answer questions, and then you gotta get surly, right,

523
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: you get upset and all that. So and I I

524
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: love it. I thought Brad made an interesting point, and

525
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: you know this obviously from doing a four hour talk

526
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: radio show, is that it's a wonderful thing that we

527
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: have information at our fingertips, but it's also a horrible

528
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: thing that we have information at our fingertips because it

529
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: messes with the nuance of telling a story and painting

530
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: a picture as opposed to just reading line line line, copy,

531
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: line line line. You get some guys are so robotic,

532
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: especially in baseball. Like I know, the game of baseball

533
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: is is made up now of saber metrics, and guys

534
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: weren't about launch angles and exit velocity. But if you

535
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: don't tell the story, and if you don't have history

536
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: behind players and games, then you then you lose the

537
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: context of it. And you're better off just watching the

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00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: game on on game cast or something of that nature. Yeah,

539
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: I agree, And I worked h Dodging talk with Ross Porter,

540
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: who we gotta get him on this podcast to at

541
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: some point the great Ross Porter talking to Dodger Baseball

542
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: Baseball Trivial. I love ross Man, He's great and I

543
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: haven't seen him in a while, so we should give

544
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: him a buzz, get him on. But Ross was like

545
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 1: early in on that analysis stuff. He and but he

546
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: it was back in the stone age where it's hard

547
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: to get those numbers, but he found them. I'm not

548
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: sure how he found them, but he knew. You know,

549
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: he'd go like, you know, Dale Murfrey, he's bat in

550
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: three seventy on a Tuesday afternoon in July. You know,

551
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: historically he'd have all that, he'd be able to explore that.

552
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, Sham was absolutely correct. The epidemic of information, right,

553
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: the infodemic where you just you over don't you overindulge.

554
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a fat guy and all you

555
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: can eat restaurant. You know, you go a little, you

556
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: go a little too much, you over overeat. I've done

557
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: it right, and you go Joey Chestnut and then you're like,

558
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: I gotta go to the fat farm because I've had

559
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: too much information here. But yeah, it is. It is

560
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: something man and and thinking about his seventies, and I

561
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: remember when I got even I and I don't think

562
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm that apparently I am. I'm becoming old. But I

563
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: remember when I got into radio talk radio and I

564
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: watched through. I learned by as most is how Hacks

565
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: did his thing, and he gave me some pointers. But

566
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: Hack saw in those days the internet was I was.

567
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: It was his stone age. He didn't have what it was.

568
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: It was the early days of the internet. We still

569
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: had at at the mighty six nine in San Diego,

570
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: we had the sports ticker in the AP news Wire,

571
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: and that was really the way we got the information.

572
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: There'd be a breaking news bulletin on the AP Sports

573
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: Wire and you'd wait for that news bulletin, and then

574
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: sports ticker for the scores, and and then Hacks I

575
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: would be he would be reading the newspapers like the

576
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Journal, Sentinel or whatever, trying to get information out

577
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: of it for his fifteen minute open. Now you go

578
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: anywhere and it's it's non stop. You can wolf down

579
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: seven seventeen thousand newspapers and some of them charge, which

580
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, who pays for that on the internet. But

581
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's it's crazy that that was bad.

582
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: That was bad in the day when breaking news was

583
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: actually breaking news. Yes, yes, now stuff happens and then

584
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, you don't even know when it first starts.

585
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's like everyone's eating magic mushrooms these days,

586
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: and it's like did that, does that new? Or is

587
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: that two days old? Or I'm not sure what's going on?

588
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: And you know, and then the other thing is like

589
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: what is what is really? Everyone's got an agenda, Everyone's

590
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: always had an agenda, but just maybe I'm because you know,

591
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: back in the good old days, it just seems like

592
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: even people at agendas then, and they had biases, but

593
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: it just seems like it's so and people live in

594
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: their own boxes. Right. If you're a Democrat, you only

595
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 1: listen to people that tell you what to do. If

596
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: you're Republican, the same thing. But it's it's it's just

597
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: an all not just political stuff. I think it's everything's

598
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: kind of slanted depending you know, it's the same thing

599
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: in sports, because if you love the Cowboys, you only

600
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: want to get positive Cowboys stuff apparently, so you'll go

601
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: read cowboys dot com. You know, we're not gonna hear

602
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: a lot of negative stuff on Cowboys dot Com or

603
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: any of those teams that have their own websites, and

604
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: you get information, but it's just completely filtered information. Yeah.

605
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: And the other thing too is now that agents have

606
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: an extension of the media, they're able to leak content

607
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: to reporters or news agencies if there's a client that

608
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: they have that's on the fence about an extension or

609
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: a new contractor wants to be traded. So there's ways

610
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: to manipulate and funk with the market that way. Well,

611
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: we had that, you know, who knows if it's true

612
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: or not, but we believe our guy Holiday, who is

613
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: related to Michael Thomas of the Saints, and we asked Holiday,

614
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: what's going on. You know, it's because Thomas was in

615
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 1: the doghouse and he wasn't playing and he was hurt.

616
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: But people think he was being benched and they claimed

617
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: he was hurt and that old thing. And Holidays said

618
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: that it was Michael Thomas who got upset with the

619
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: Saints and went to his agent, and then the agent

620
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: is the one that contacted the NFL insider crowd to

621
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: toss Michael Thomas's name out in the you know, the

622
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: rumor mill, right, you know, to give the the rumor

623
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: out there. And so he had an agenda. He wanted

624
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: to let the Saints know, Hey, I can go play

625
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: somewhere else. And so some NFL insider said there was

626
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: a mounting belief, you know, or some of the one

627
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: and whatever we as a word you know that you

628
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: want to throw out there. Um, so, yeah, a lot

629
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: of stuff does come from agency. But back I'd also

630
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: like to point out when I was around the Dodgers

631
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: and I was around baseball in general, a lot of

632
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: the stuff would come from the people that worked behind

633
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: the scenes, the support staff, the locker room attendance, people

634
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,959
Speaker 1: like that, because and I know this to be true

635
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: when when free agency was coming around in baseball, and

636
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 1: I don't know that they still do this, but the

637
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: general manager of the front office would call down to

638
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: the equipment guy and say, hey, um, you've got to

639
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: get you know, X Y n Z jersey ready because

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Speaker 1: we might this guy and we're gonna have a news

641
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Speaker 1: conference and we need the jersey for the photo op

642
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: and I remember that might might not have been in

643
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: the way that some of the free agents the Dodgers

644
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: were interested in got out. Uh. One of the most

645
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: famous stories. I guess you can tell because I think

646
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: this is on the public record. I don't want to

647
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: only some of these people I still know and he

648
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: still worked there, so I don't give in trouble. But

649
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: Randy Johnson was he signed with Arizona. But he the

650
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: thought was he was gonna go to the Dodgers, so

651
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: they had a jersey made. They anticipated they're gonna get

652
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: Randy Johnson before he went to Arizona. How would that

653
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: have changed things? Maybe not at all, who knows. But

654
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: but Randy so cow guy. But he signed with Arizona.

655
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: The reasons. The legend is he walked into the old

656
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: Raggedy Dodger clubhouse, the same clubhouse that Sandy Kofax had

657
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: been in back in the day or whatever. And he's

658
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: too small. I'm out now. The clubhouse at Dodger Stadium

659
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: is like the taj Mahal. They redid that. The Googenheim

660
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: partners that on the Dodge just man, they went all

661
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: in on that. They lay loaded up, loaded up. That

662
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: is a country club. Yeah, that's what that is speaking of,

663
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: which that was pretty interesting that what Brad had mentioned

664
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Speaker 1: with with the way that they're actually calling games and

665
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: he's looking at that giant screen in Jerry's world to

666
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: call action um as opposed to maybe necessarily being live

667
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: at a venue nowadays. Yeah, you know, I, I know,

668
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: I was playing around with Brad. Brad got a little

669
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: defensive on that. I was, Okay, did you call games before?

670
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: But I did when I was a kid, and I

671
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I would like to do this someday.

672
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: I originally wanted to be a play by play guy.

673
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: So I think most kids my age, maybe not now,

674
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: we would would do it, you know. And that's how

675
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: they you know, they would they would call games and stuff.

676
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: It's like you go full, you go full. Ronald Reagan,

677
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: right full. Ronald Reagan was a w h O in

678
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: Des Moines, Iowa who would call cub games and uh,

679
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 1: you know the famous story about Reagan and I read

680
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: this and it's it's a great story because having worked

681
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: in broadcasting, you love when crap goes wrong and you

682
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: have to you have to improvise. But one time, so

683
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: he was calling the game off he wasn't even calling

684
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: it off TV because this is back before before TV

685
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: was regularly consumed. So Reagan was doing radio calling CUB games,

686
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: recreating them, but he was doing it off the teletype

687
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: the ticker, so the wire breaks, right, So this is

688
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: the only way that then just civilian Ronald Reagan was

689
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: able to call CUB games, and so he has no information.

690
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: So so, uh you know, he's like, what are we

691
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: gonna do here? And uh so he then he would

692
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: he would talk about the batter keeping he said, the

693
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: batter would keep fouling off the pitch until the ticker

694
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: came back. He would just you know, like they be

695
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: a million foul balls and there's still two strikes. Uh yeah,

696
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: So it was it was pretty funny back back in

697
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: the day. Back in the day, it's great to hear

698
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: like like guys like Brad, guys like Scully, guys that

699
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: have gone through those different stages. And I mean, I

700
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: I know, obviously he's make believe, but Bob Yuker when

701
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: he played Harry Doyle, That's that's why I thought of

702
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: sports casters when I grew up, Like, Okay, there's a

703
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: guy getting himself loose by drinking some jack getting a

704
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 1: guest gun. Let me tell you when I first started,

705
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: some of those guys did get loose. Jack Harry Carry

706
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: Callis had a few pops some time at the time.

707
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: Harry Callis, Harry Harry Harry Carry. I'm Srry Carry a

708
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: legendary of course. Yeah, Harry didn't even hide it. He

709
00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 1: bragged about it. Who was? Who was? I forget his name?

710
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: M de Trait Tigers, Ernie Harwell, Yeah, Ernie Harwell, there

711
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: you go. I don't know that he did. Ernie was

712
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: a pretty straight laced guy. Met him obviously near the

713
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: end of his career there. But Ernie was great, very

714
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: nice guy. I always say he wore the same hat

715
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: I wear. Now you know that he wore the paper

716
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: boy hat. Yeah, yeah, which I guess there's an old

717
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: guy's hat. But I like it. It's a good, good thing.

718
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: Ernie was. Yeah. I feel like I got to meet

719
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: Ernie Harwell, Harry Carry, Harry Callis, Scully, uh, the the

720
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: Mets legend, Ralph Kiner who did it did the Mets

721
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: on television, met him for a good stretch. Just keep

722
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: carry the braves guy. I grew up watching him on TBS,

723
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: the superstation Atlanta Braves baseball. They were terrible. And you

724
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: met you met Sterling too, right, yeah, John Still. I

725
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: met him at the the Yankees came in to play

726
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: the Dodgers in the press box. There was very nice.

727
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 1: And the other one it just passed away a couple

728
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: of years ago in Sandy Goes It last year. Oh

729
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: dick Enberg, you have the great dick Enburg. Yeah, he

730
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: was fantastic. It was great, very smooth, Yeah, smooth delivery

731
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: and he was He was good across everything, football, baseball, tennis, golf.

732
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm doing my Pat O'Brien where I'm

733
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: just dropping names. Now, I feel like I'm doing my

734
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: o b It's a little bit different because you're not

735
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: like in Brentwood right now, eating a burrito and just

736
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: casual talk. I still haven't called Pat to follow up

737
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: because I Pat offered to take me out to lunch,

738
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: but I haven't. Everything in California is all left up now,

739
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna wait. See here's my move on this.

740
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: All right? Let me tell you this is a veterman move.

741
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm hoping that by April of stuff will

742
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: be open back up, you know, because I'll even have

743
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: a magic pill or something like that, or uh, this

744
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: thing will take its course the corona. So then I'm

745
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: gonna wait, and then I'm gonna hit Pat up. And

746
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: knowing Pat, he'll take me to some steakhouse in Beverly

747
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: Hills or something like that, and and I'll get to

748
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: enjoy a nice meal if I go. Now, I'm gonna

749
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: eat a box lunch outside my burrito with Pat on

750
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: the street in Beverly Hills. Who wants to do that?

751
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: Why don't you invite him over? And you can cook

752
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: a steak here we go? All right? Just you, you

753
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: brought it up. You brought it up. All right? Are

754
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: we done? I'm done, by the way. You gotta tonight,

755
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: you gotta, you gotta listen to a special special edition

756
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: of Benny Versus Pain. This is the week I'm actually

757
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: gonna try to get the picks right. Uh, this is

758
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: the week I'm gonna actually try to do well. I

759
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: was sand bagging, but now it's now it's winning time.

760
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: I can salvage the season. I can salvage you. Uh.

761
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 1: You know, last week was to take your trash out week.

762
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: But I will be back. I will be back tonight

763
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 1: at nine thirty nine, thirty in the West, and that's

764
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: twelve thirty in the Witching Hour in the East. So

765
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: we'll have Benny Versus the Penny and that's on Friday

766
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: night in the A little depressing because that that also

767
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: means that we're officially halfway home with the NFL regular season. Well,

768
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: that's a blessing and a curse because that means no

769
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: more Benny Versus the Penny unless we have a spin off,

770
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: which we we've talked about, but who knows. Yeah, we'll

771
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: see you keep going. Now. We asked a couple of

772
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: weeks ago for for tickets for anyone that um took

773
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: a five team parlay, anything of that nature as we

774
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: were doing some of the Benny Versus the Penny games

775
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: and then also presidential stuff. Did you get any pictures

776
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: twittered to you, d m to you anything. No, I

777
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: got none. No one took us up on that guest God,

778
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: and there was Monday to be made. We got the

779
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: guaranteed we got right now. I think your boy Steve

780
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: in Seattle, I think he did do some pro games

781
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: though yeah, I don't know if he did political, but

782
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: I know he did some pro game well the pro

783
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: see the political stuff you're not technically allowed to bet

784
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: as an American on the election. But as we know,

785
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: the off shore books kind of the they have more

786
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: loose they're fast and loose with the rules, so there

787
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: are ways you could have done it. It's it's more

788
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: it's not like you can go into your local sports

789
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: book if you're in Jersey or something like that and say, hey,

790
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: I want to put a couple of bucks down on

791
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, I Trump winning Mississippi or something like. You can't.

792
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to do that. So I feel I

793
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: feel like in in the next in the next four years,

794
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 1: when we have our next presidential election, the elections should

795
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: be started off with a musicians singing the national anthem.

796
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: That way, we can bet on the time of it

797
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: and then get the election underway. I feel like that's

798
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: the way that we do with the Super Bowl and

799
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: then everything else follows after that. Yeah. Well, eventually they're

800
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: doing mail and voting now, but I'm guessing like ten

801
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: fifteen years from now, they'll just have like a text voting,

802
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, just text your vote, you know, name the

803
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: name the candidate texted in. You know, what could go wrong,

804
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: what could possibly grow? Well, that's the evolution, right you

805
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: think you know? He just keep moving it forward and

806
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: forward and forward and for warden Ford. And then I

807
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: would guess, depending on what happens with the elections in January,

808
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: not to get too political, we'll have we could have

809
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico become a state, right are they talking about

810
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: adding another couple of states? Puerto Rico, d C. There

811
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: you go. So then would be fifty two states, which, uh,

812
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: how about Guam? Can we make Guama states? About Guam territory? What? Yeah,

813
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: I'm making a state. Come on out there in the

814
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: middle of the Pacific. It's like a way point between

815
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: Hawaii and the and the Asian countries. It took you

816
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: a while to climb to that third rail, but but

817
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: you're there. Thank you. I appreciate that because I gotta

818
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: get I gotta get out of you. I got things

819
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: to do. How dare you? We want podcasts on Saturday

820
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: and Sunday and an exclusive, So I saved this story

821
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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about on Saturday for this podcast. I

822
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: was gonna do a bit on the radio show, but

823
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to give this some time. It's about another

824
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: sports icon and I happened to cross pass with this icon,

825
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: but thanks to Brad Sham who was on earlier here

826
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: and have a great day. Remember Benny Versus the Penny

827
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: tonight nine thirty in the West and just midway through

828
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: the Witching hour of twelve thirty in the morning on

829
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: early Saturday Friday into Saturday in the East. We'll catch you. Then,

830
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Meller

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Speaker 1: Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific