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Speaker 1: Welcome to Is this a great game or what? And

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Speaker 1: our esteemed guest today is Jim Palmer, one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest pictures of all time and by far the greatest

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Speaker 1: Oriole picture of all time. Cakes, say hi to Jeff

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Speaker 1: Kertschin again.

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Speaker 2: Ahi, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: We're getting to the point of the podcast where we

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Speaker 3: have repeat guests, so it's no longer meet my son, Jeff. Now, Cakes,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to embarrass you or my dad. Well,

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Speaker 3: it's my job to embarrass my dad. But uh, how

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Speaker 3: can you be ten years older than my dad and

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Speaker 3: looks so much better than he does.

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Speaker 1: It's it's true.

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Speaker 2: Did you have to face Frank Howard tele No, I don't.

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Speaker 2: But you know I tell people, they go, you really

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Speaker 2: look young for eighty And I said, well, just think

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Speaker 2: if I hadn't gotten a lot of guys out how old.

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Speaker 2: So you know, it's funny because I when I got

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Speaker 2: out of high school, you know, I was I thought

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Speaker 2: wanted The Dodgers wanted me because I was a year

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Speaker 2: before the draft. They wanted to go to SC per

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Speaker 2: year they signed Jeff Torborg and then they you know,

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Speaker 2: so on and so on. They were gonna. I said,

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Speaker 2: can you put that in writing? They said no. So

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Speaker 2: I went up to a college league and I, you know,

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Speaker 2: played with Jim Lomborg, played with Bobby Floyd Retton was

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Speaker 2: and my parents said, you know, we really like Jim Wilson.

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Speaker 2: And then Jim Russo was a scout that actually would

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Speaker 2: come to South Dakota where I played in this college league,

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Speaker 2: and Pierre was the closest airport. Every time somebody need

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Speaker 2: to pick him up, it would be me. Every time

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Speaker 2: be me. Now again Jim Lomborg four years later he

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Speaker 2: and apparently they felt comfort comfortable enough to give me

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Speaker 2: forty thousand dollars, which was really I mean, it was

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Speaker 2: a lot of money, but it wasn't a lot of

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Speaker 2: your dad if I hadn't picked the right organization. Long story, right, Well,

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Speaker 2: but again, I but you know, I played with some

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Speaker 2: great players. And you know, when you're in nineteen, you

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Speaker 2: And my first year, when I was nineteen, I spent

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Speaker 1: Right Cakes, Robin Roberts made his major league debut in

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty eight, and he was your roommate in nineteen

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Speaker 2: Well, not only that, we had Stu Miller, one of

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Speaker 2: We didn't win that year the Twins one hundred two games.

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Speaker 1: Cakes, these all these guys that you played with. What

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Speaker 1: the Pirates being nineteen coming up compared to when you

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Speaker 1: Is it way easier today? How do you look at that?

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Speaker 2: Well, you probably have to ask Connor, I mean, because

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Speaker 2: announcers said, you know, you really kind of know, you know,

427
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 2: you know as much about the Mariners as you know

428
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 2: about the Orioles. And I said, well, it's kind of

429
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 2: my job. He said, no, you're You're in the Hall

430
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 2: of Fame. You don't need to do that. Well, what

431
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 2: does that have to do with broadcasting. I'm in the

432
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame for throwing high fastballs and having Brooks

433
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 2: Robinson ketch him or Paul Blair in center field, or

434
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 2: you know Singleton or Book or you know Eddie Murray.

435
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 2: I mean, some of the greatest players have ever played,

436
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 2: so I think, you know, it keeps you going. But

437
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 2: like now, I will remember a moment and then I

438
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 2: have to kind of go back and recollect the name,

439
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 2: you know, because I mean I read that your mind.

440
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 2: You know. When you get to be my age, you're

441
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 2: only you know, I have so many brain cells, so

442
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 2: you have to go back and reinforce kind of what's

443
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 2: going on, you know.

444
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 3: So, Jim, you're absolutely right. My dad, my grandmother moved

445
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 3: in with us when I was a teenager, and the

446
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 3: difference between her living alone and her seeing family every

447
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 3: day and playing scrabble with us and chatting with us even.

448
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: It just kept things firing.

449
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 3: And she had dementia and Alzheimer's, but I believe firmly

450
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 3: we wouldn't know the altar, you know, the latter, excuse me,

451
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 3: but definitely prolonged her memory and her life being around

452
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 3: people and talking every day and playing word games and

453
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 3: doing these kind of things. You're absolutely right. Being in

454
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 3: the game to this day keeps you as sharp as

455
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 3: ever back in your playing days.

456
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 1: Jim, My dad told me this.

457
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 3: We do a little phone call before we chat with

458
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 3: our guests, that you believe that pictures our best if

459
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 3: they're long, lean, and loose, which is shocking that you

460
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 3: would want to join our show again when my dad

461
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 3: and I are the exact opposite probably of all three

462
00:22:59,800 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 3: of them.

463
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: Those But we're not pitching in.

464
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 2: The Big Leaks.

465
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 3: We're just interviewing a Hall of Fame pitcher.

466
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 2: Well that's why they have second.

467
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 1: A Kay good points before you answer that. You mentioned

468
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: Howard Cosell, and people don't even know who Howard Cosell

469
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: is after this many years.

470
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: Well a lot of people, right, What.

471
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: Was it like working with Howard Cosell?

472
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: Never dun't. I mean, I was talking to all Michael's

473
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: the other day. I worked with al Let's see. I

474
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: probably started why did the playoffs? What to see in

475
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,479
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty Billy Martin and Allen I did? I mean,

476
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 2: why did the playoffs? In eighty six? So you know,

477
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: I've known now forever and we worked, you know, we

478
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: worked kind of worked together. I mean, you know, I

479
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: got into broadcasting. Reggie Jackson had an agent by the

480
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 2: name of Matt mool and he calls me and he says, listen,

481
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: she's gonna be a one game playoff between the Red

482
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 2: Sox and the Yankees in nineteen seventy eight, and I

483
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 2: played from sixty five to eighty four, so you know

484
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 2: we're we're not going to be part of that playoff.

485
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 2: And he said, if the Yankees win, Reggie will play,

486
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: you know, in the playoffs, and if they lose, Reggie

487
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: will broadcast. So watch the game, and ABC wants you

488
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: to do the game. Now, you know, i'd wont to say.

489
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,719
Speaker 2: Young and what's seventy three, seventy five, seventy six started

490
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: doing the jockey ads, you know that I did for

491
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: nineteen years. So apparently ABC said, well, we'll get somebody

492
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: that's kind of good at baseball, but also people know

493
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 2: who they are. Blah blah blah blah blah. You know,

494
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 2: women back then bought seventy five percent of men's underwears.

495
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: They were trying to all stuff whatever. So I watched

496
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: the game, and that's the Buckie Dent game. You know.

497
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: Mike Taurres was pitching for the Red Sox who played

498
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 2: with us in won twenty games, and then we traded

499
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 2: him out to Oakland for Reggie and Nia Kenny Holtzman

500
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 2: along with Don Baylor, who Earl Weaver said when we

501
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 2: made the trade, will become an MVP, and he did

502
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: what three years later for the Angels in nineteen seventy nine.

503
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 2: So I watched the game and it's too nothing. We

504
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: were building a house and I had told Tommy Chope,

505
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: who played the OUTPA for us here, we wanted to

506
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: move to Florida. I said, listen, I'll give you the

507
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: down payment on the house. Let us stay in your house.

508
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: So we're in this little house and no garage or

509
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 2: anything like that. It looks like an antique, sir. We've

510
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: out of furniture in there and all that kind of stuff.

511
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: I have my suitcase on the bed. It's two nothing

512
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: Red Sox. It was a beautiful day. I'd gone I

513
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: don't eat crabs because I think I'm allergic to him.

514
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 2: I had gone crabbing for the only time in my

515
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 2: life at about seven o'clock in the Middle River. So

516
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: I come home and I'm watching the game, and I

517
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 2: have my suitcase out, and I go, okay, you know,

518
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: two nothing Red Sox and then BUCKI Dant has the

519
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 2: three run home run. It's three to two, four to two,

520
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: five to two. Red Sox come back, five to three,

521
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 2: five to four. Guscasis comes in. I think gets fist

522
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 2: rice and jazz out the ninth inning. And now I

523
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 2: have to go to jump on a plane and go

524
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: to Kansas City to work with out with. Now I

525
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: don't have an ABC jacket. We had those gold jackets.

526
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: Howard had an extra one and we both were forty

527
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: three long. So he gave me one of his one

528
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: of his you know, one of his one of his jackets,

529
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: and he had So this was like on a Monday night.

530
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: The playoff game is Monday afternoon, and Howard did Sunday

531
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 2: night or Sunday night baseball or football. And he flew

532
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: into Kansas City on a charter and we have a

533
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: production meeting, and you know, Howard's running the meeting. We have,

534
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,959
Speaker 2: you know, our producer and our director of one Emmy's

535
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: but Howard. You know, it's Howard Show. So so when

536
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: we when we finished, he says, hey, young man, you

537
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 2: and I an Emmy that's his wife. Let's walk through

538
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,239
Speaker 2: all a bet at Plausa. So we would run into

539
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: people and you know, they know that Howard. Because this

540
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: was seventy eight, Kansas City had lost to the the

541
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 2: Yankees and seventy six and seventy seventh Great Series. Now

542
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: in seventy eight, and they'd go, you know, mister Cosell,

543
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 2: who's going to win Kansas City in four You know,

544
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: he didn't mean that because he loved the Yankees, right,

545
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 2: So and then you look at me and he goes

546
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 2: number two, splits personality all across this country. The Prince

547
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: did poll Ali was first, you know, because Howard did

548
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: all the stuff with him. So now we're walking a

549
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: little bit farther and he says, young man, are you nervous?

550
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: And I said, I'm a little aborate. And so if

551
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: I've never done this before, you know, I was a

552
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: picture I wasn't a broadcaster. He says, just remember one thing,

553
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: young man. Everybody that ever worked with me became a starter.

554
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: There you go. And then I said, you know, Keith

555
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: Jaccent's doing the play by play, and he goes, well,

556
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: you know, you'll either know about the third or fourth

557
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: inning if you have it or you don't. I'm in

558
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: the third or fourth inning. I have no idea whether

559
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 2: I have it or not. So that's kind of how

560
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: it started, you know. And then if we weren't in

561
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: the you know, we were in the set. You know,

562
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: we lost the fire since seventy nine, so I obviously

563
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 2: didn't work. You know, an eighty did the playoffs with

564
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 2: Al and Billy Martin. Billy was you know, he had

565
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 2: scouted me when I was pitching one one of his

566
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 2: sixteen I looked one Saturday morning and Scott's saleerzone.

567
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: I go.

568
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: And I was a Yankee fan growing up. I mean

569
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: I remember the catch he made in the fifty two

570
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: World Series right over the mound, you know. And that's

571
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: Billy Martin, you know, you know, grape pants on black,

572
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: you know, little guy Tan. And so we did the

573
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: thing and Billy wouldn't say anything because he didn't want

574
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: to be controversial. But ABC wanted somebody that is controversial,

575
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: and Billy wasn't going to play that story. So I

576
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: worked for Howard with for nine years. You know, we did,

577
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: We did all kinds of stuff, you know, I mean he,

578
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: I mean, Bobby, the best story ever is and I.

579
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: The Tigers started out thirty five and five. After we

580
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: win the World Series in eighty three and nineteen eighty four,

581
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: the season's over, I hurt my knee going for a

582
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: ball and they didn't have MRIs, so you know, I

583
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: had a pretty good spring and and you know I

584
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: don't get to pitch much. You know, the season's over

585
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: after forty games. So the oriel say, hey, you want

586
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: to go in the IL or do you want to release?

587
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: I said, you know what, I got a job at

588
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: ABC and all that. So we go up to do

589
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: the eighty four World All Stair Game up in San

590
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: Francisco and you know, now they have home run Derby's

591
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: and all that stuff, but this is just a workout

592
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: and it's windy. You've been to you know, Candlestick Park

593
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: and it's you know, Howard's to pay is kind of

594
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: blowing in the wind, and it's Turnaby's side and you

595
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: know he's had a little bit of a tremor, so

596
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: instead of giving him a lot olier, you know, so

597
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: he's interviewing people and all that. So we go back

598
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: to the hotel and we get out of the car

599
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: and how that can't believe Candle's Stick Park. And Al says, hey, Howard,

600
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: it's a monument to chicanery, you know, because of all

601
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: the political stuff and all that. And then Al turns

602
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: to me and he goes, I will guarantee you that

603
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: will be in tomorrow next rug. So I said, okay, now,

604
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: I'm only going to be in the back of the

605
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: booth because it's al Earl Weaver and you know Howard

606
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: so and then he's gonna Howard's gonna come back and

607
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: interview me every two innings if I have any insight

608
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: or something. So back then, even though how Al Michaels

609
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: was to play by play in his contract out, Howard

610
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: Cosell got to actually start to think, Hi, everybody, the

611
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: forty ninth All Star Game coming to you from Candall's

612
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: stick monument to callical ship came over Al and I

613
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: run four because he got it in the first twenty

614
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: s of the game and now kind of planted it

615
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: the next night. I mean, so there are so many

616
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 2: different stories. You know, we we were we were in

617
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: Cincinnati because Pete Rose was going to break Ty Cobbs record,

618
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: but it was going to happen later and they were

619
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: going to be new It Monday Night Football for ABC.

620
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: So today, the way I perceived today's broadcast tones two

621
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: minutes with March shot and uh, you know, blah blah blah.

622
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: And so she Howard had a show called sports Beat,

623
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: the lowest rated sports show on Saturday afternoon in the

624
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: history of ABC. Sports, but he had had on there, so

625
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: he wanted to substantiate to the world that this was

626
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: really you know, he was a journalist. So Al goes,

627
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: he goes, Howard, why would we want to you know,

628
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: why would we want to interview march shot And he goes, Alfalfa,

629
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: he used to call Michael, so Alfalfa, what you don't

630
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: know in a fortnight she'll be in the cover of

631
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: a major publication all across this country. So Al takes

632
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: a beat. He says, Howard, what major publication might that be?

633
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: And how good? He goes that people meg of Zene.

634
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: Of course you know she's going to be on the

635
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: cover of People magazine or something. And Al takes a beat.

636
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: He says, how but you failed to understand. People that

637
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: read People magazine don't even know what a fortnite is.

638
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: So I never realized how easy it was. And then

639
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: of course you know their plant mats and Lenny Dykester's

640
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: first year and how I can't take the language out

641
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: is Lenny Dykester? So yeah, this team that's soe a

642
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: net this you know this, this this Mets team. So

643
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: I went into David Johnson. It was my former teammate

644
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: and he said, hey, now we raised our kids together. Hey.

645
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: The first thing out of his mouth, how's Howard? I said, well,

646
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: actually he thought your team was a net. But I

647
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: go lift weights and I'm laying on the head of

648
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: pool and I'm laying down reading papers and all that,

649
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: and here comes Howard. He's got tennis shoes on, gabardine pants,

650
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: a jacket, you know, gold chain shirts on, button smoking

651
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: a cigar and I'm laying down it like this and

652
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: Howard sits right next to me, and young man, what

653
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: are you going to do with the rest of you life?

654
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: You can't keep telling him the fastball was up and

655
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: out over the plate. Now I was thirty nine years old,

656
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: So I said, Howard, how old were you? He had

657
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: sixty six. I said, I'm thirty nine. Don't you think

658
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: a more important question is what are you going to

659
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: do with the rest of your life? Now? So these

660
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: are the kind of dialogues you could have with Howard goes.

661
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: So now we go on the air and you know,

662
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: he's going to again lead off the broadcast, and I'm

663
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: sitting here and he's going to lean over to me,

664
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: and I kind of want to know where my shoulder is,

665
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: So I have the microphone and I'm just kind of

666
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: he says, young man, are you making fun of me?

667
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,239
Speaker 2: You had to tell your good friend Davy Johnson what

668
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: I thought of his team. Now it's five four. I

669
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: looked at him and go, Howard, tell it like it is.

670
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: I mean, he was just you know it again if

671
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: he wanted to be here and let everybody else down here.

672
00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: But there was never a going Moore right. So, Cakes,

673
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: you mentioned I of vodka. You know, in the playoffs

674
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: in Kansas City, when al Michaels and Howard and I

675
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: were doing that. You know, he was totally schnockered. But

676
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 2: that wasn't the first time we did that.

677
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: Cakes, you mentioned you mentioned Earl Weaver. We can't we

678
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: can't talk to you about talking Earl.

679
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: Now.

680
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard this story, Cakes, but

681
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: Dan Shaughnessy took me to the ballpark. We were both

682
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: working at the Washington Star. This is nineteen late nineteen

683
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: seventy nine, and I'm going to do a little bit

684
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: of oriole stuff. So Dan introduces me to Earl Weaver.

685
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: Earl meets me for the first time. Dan says, Tim,

686
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: I mean Earl. This is Tim Kirkchin, He's going to

687
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: be covering some game, sorry, Jeff. Earl Weaver looks at

688
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: me and goes you Tim and walks away, walks away.

689
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: It's the first time I'd ever met him in my life. Now,

690
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: he later taught me more about baseball than anyone I've

691
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: ever met, and I will always love Earl Weaver. But

692
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: he f bombed me in the first three seconds that

693
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: I met him. Is this Was this a surprise to

694
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: you at all to hear a story like this?

695
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: No, you know when he took the job, you know

696
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 2: I wasn't there. I was hurt. In nineteen sixty eight,

697
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: he got the job at the All Star break and

698
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 2: Harry Dawton was a general manager and he said, I

699
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 2: got to go on the road trip because I don't

700
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: know if Earl can handle the press. Well, Earl was, yeah,

701
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: you know, he'd maybe not Buck shol Walter. I mean,

702
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: you know, Buck is a brilliant guy and a friend

703
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: of mine, but he'd have he is a monologue. Earl

704
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: handle the press really right. And what I didn't understand

705
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: because you know, I got to pitch every fourth day

706
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: and I did it for twelve or thirteen years, just

707
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: think about that Earl had come. You know, he became

708
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: the manager of sixty eight. From sixty eight all the

709
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: way to nineteen eighty one year deals and then he

710
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: signed a three year deal. So all those years, anytime

711
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 2: you put your name in the lineup with was a

712
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: picture every fourth day, or playing first second or whatever.

713
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: He trusted you that you were going to play well

714
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 2: enough so he could keep his job. So in spite

715
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: of the fact we're supposed to have a love hate

716
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 2: hate relationship, he was a brilliant guy. But what I

717
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 2: didn't understand is that as a writer, you know, you know, okay,

718
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: so he didn't he told you to go to God.

719
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: But the line is he he realized that I only

720
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: got to talk to the writers every fourth day. He

721
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: got to talk to him every day. So I realized,

722
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: I'm never going to win this back, right, They'd only

723
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: need me one day. They need Earl every day. Because

724
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: he was great, and he would tell you how he feels,

725
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: and he'd also tell us how we got you know,

726
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you sat on the bench and you listen

727
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: to him, and I mean the first time Lee Man

728
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: we traded for Lee Meg, who was a terrific player

729
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 2: and you know, he mentored Eddie Murray and all that,

730
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 2: and after about an inning, Lee looked over at me

731
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: and he goesays, see like this every night. Yeah, so

732
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: the man, I mean, he's you know, I mean, we

733
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 2: won twenty six out of thirty one in nineteen seventy

734
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: four Red Sox blewe and eight he came lead. We

735
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: had a meeting at Labor Day Paul Blair's house. We

736
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: said we're gonna bunt, We're gonna hit and run. We're

737
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: gonna have our own science because the earl's playing for

738
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: three run home runs and we're not hitting three run

739
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: home runs. We pitched five straight shutouts. You know, we

740
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: won twenty six out of thirty one. I think the

741
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: Yankees won twenty five out of thirty one. And we

742
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: won him the last day of the year. You know,

743
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: Don Hood was pitching for us, and he's backing up

744
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: and you know, you know Memorial State of course. You know,

745
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: you come up and there's a long warning track, and

746
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: so there's runners at first and second and Don packs up.

747
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: He's kind of halfway between home and third and he's

748
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: on the warning track. And Don was a good looking guy,

749
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: left handed pitcher from North Carolina and then we was going,

750
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: you're jogging now. Don Hood was the most nervous guy

751
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: that I had ever seen. I mean, I didn't know

752
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: if he going to be able to get out here

753
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: because you know, not that he didn't have talent, he

754
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: just he was nervous. So I walked down. I said, oh,

755
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: I know, you don't know his personality, you know, but

756
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 2: but I said, he's up tight enough without you saying

757
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: you when you were twenty and your pets a shutout,

758
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 2: And I go, but that's me, you know, that just happened.

759
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: This is don houtem you know, and whatever. So that

760
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: was but probably the best story was Mike flanneting guys

761
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 2: late Mike Planning. Guy's sitting in the road of Bulkhead

762
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 2: and we're going up to Boston and Flannet's like two

763
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 2: and eight. He's pitching really well, but we're not scoring

764
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 2: any runs, and you know it's you know, run support's

765
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: pretty important in baseball. And he looks at me and

766
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 2: he says, you know, I don't think Earl has any

767
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: any faith in me. And I said, well, he's your

768
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 2: pitcher every fourth day. So we go to Boston and

769
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: you know, we're getting going out and get out on

770
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: the field, and you know, the manager's office was right

771
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: across from the broom and there's a urinal there and

772
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to the bathroom and here comes Earl. I

773
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: look at him and I said, you know, you got

774
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: to call him, Mike planningan and talk to him. He

775
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: doesn't think you have any faith in him, and he

776
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: goes faith. I put the in the live every and

777
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: you know I don't have any faith. And I said, Earl,

778
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: I don't really care, you know, I sit with him.

779
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: I said, I know you don't know this because you're

780
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: up in first class, but we're in coach. We're sitting

781
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: in the bulkhead. And he doesn't think you have any faith.

782
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: I said, call him in. Lie to him. I don't

783
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: care what you do, you know what, because he's got

784
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: some talent. So Earl doesn't call him in. But he

785
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 2: goes to Cliff Keane or the Boston Globe. And Planning

786
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: was from Manchester, so he always wrote read the Globe.

787
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 2: I mean that was like a religion up there, right.

788
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 2: If you're not reading the what the Union Leader in Manchester,

789
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 2: you're reading the Boston Globe. And you know he's two

790
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: and eight, and Earl goes to the Cliff Keene and says,

791
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: I don't care what Mike plann against record, and he's

792
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: going to be a winning pitcher in the Big Lips.

793
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: That's about fifteen and ten that year.

794
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: So that's how he got his message through to Mike Flannagan.

795
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: He went to the paper that Mike Flannagan reads Earle

796
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: smarter than the average bear. By the way, Jeff, this

797
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: is how Earl Cakes is talking about how great he

798
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: was with the media. We love John Haby and John

799
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: Habien used to pitch.

800
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: For the Orioles.

801
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm not pitch. I'm not picking on John Habien game

802
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 1: in Detroit. Cakes was probably there game in Detroit. John

803
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: Habian walked, I want to say the first four batters

804
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: of the game, and then they had to take about

805
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: and after the game, I just casually asked Earl Grant

806
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: it was a loaded question.

807
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 2: I said.

808
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: Habian had a little bit of trouble with his control today, huh, Earl,

809
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, I guess the play that triple

810
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: A is seventeen feet wide instead of seventeen wide. Jeff,

811
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: That's how that's how Earl answered questions. Cake, you you

812
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: heard stuff like that many times.

813
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: Correct, Well, you know when the Orels came up to

814
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: play us in Aberdeen. When again, when I was eighteen

815
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: and I played for cal Ripping Senior big thing Orioles

816
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: coming to Aberdeen South Dakota, and yeah, we had a

817
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: really good team. And so Eddie Watt, you know, fourteen

818
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: and one, he starts, does not pitch well. Our center

819
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: fielder scrug sits a three run home run off of

820
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: Steve Barbera. Mil Pappus comes in. I know, I mean here,

821
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: best slider I ever saw then. So back then, you know,

822
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: we'd coach first base. You know, we alternate coach at

823
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: first base. So I got coach first base and they

824
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: break a kid up, Steve Cosgrove from Double A Elmira.

825
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: Now we're an abel Hi apparently, and he's got this

826
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 2: fastball that takes off and a curveball that drops off

827
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 2: the table. And I'm sitting there at first and I said,

828
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: this guy's pitching in Double A, and you got triple

829
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: before you get to the big leagues. So I come

830
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: in and I said, hey, if they throw like that

831
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: in Double A, how are we ever going to get

832
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: to the big lads? Because this was the most a

833
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: good looking kid, you know, not really tall, but just

834
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: great stuff. And they go, well, you don't know the

835
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 2: whole story. He played for Earl Weaver in Olmira, so

836
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: he throw a ball on it. We were go here

837
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: we go again, ball to walk in the Effen Park

838
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: and he totally unnerved him. This guy had some of

839
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 2: the greatest stuff in the world, but Earl hated people

840
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: did not throw the ball over the plate. So on

841
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: occasion when I was contributing it to his you know, displeasure,

842
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: we would have words and all that kind of stuff.

843
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: You know. I mean, we went up to westmom Beach,

844
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: you know, spring training, and the wind's blown in about

845
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: thirty miles per hour, and I walked a couple of

846
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: guys in the first inning and never went to shirk

847
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: and I came in. In fact, they always there, and

848
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: I put my glove down. I said, hey, you think

849
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do that. It's spring training, you know,

850
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: I'm trying to whatever. I said, get somebody else, and

851
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: he said And I had driven up that day and

852
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: he wouldn't let me go home. He took me out

853
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: of the game. You know, he had a you know

854
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 2: tantrum and all that. But that was early. But at

855
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 2: the end of the day, if you got to play

856
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: for early, who you're playing on a winning team. And

857
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: we all put up with it. He like I said,

858
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: I mean, for all those years, gave me the opportunity

859
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 2: to to you know, to pitch and you know, pitch

860
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,479
Speaker 2: two hundred and ninety innings or three three h five

861
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: or three fifteen or three twenty and you know, I mean,

862
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: he always told us there's nobody better out there in

863
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 2: the bullpen, so stop looking. I mean, Don someting told

864
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: me right. Hartsfield was his first manager in Double A,

865
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: and he handed on the baseball, you know, he handed

866
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: himslon the ball, and he goes, don't be looking at

867
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: the dugout. I'll let you know when you're tired. He

868
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: Don said, I didn't know if I was going to

869
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: be able to pitch. He poked me in the chest

870
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: over well, he told him exactly wasn't going to happen. Now,

871
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: you know, now a different game.

872
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: But Cakes as a starting pitcher, now this loaded question again,

873
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: are you a little bit offended that guys are looking

874
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: into the dugout after five innings, one hundred pitches when

875
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: Earl and Roy Hartsfield would always say, I can tell

876
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: you when you're tired.

877
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: Well, of course, yeah, not one hundred pitches, more like

878
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: eighty five. Well, you know it's funny. I mean, you know,

879
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: I broadcast I looked at their innings. You know, spring

880
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: training we used to pitch on a Wednesday. We play

881
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: an intersquad game Thursday, Friday off Saturday. We pitched three

882
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: innings in the inner squad, you know, and you know,

883
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: in the regular spring training schedule. Then you come back

884
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: four days later, pitch three or four innings. Maybe you

885
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 2: go down and throw in the bullpen. Next time we'd

886
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: be five. Next time it would be five and maybe

887
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 2: two times in a bullpen. Get up two days. Then

888
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 2: by the end of spring training, then you go pitch

889
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: a big game up at you know, what was it

890
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 2: where the Dolphins used to train up at North Miami.

891
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: We had our minor league system them up there. You

892
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: go up there and pitch, so at the end of

893
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 2: the spring training you knew you could pitch nine innings

894
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: or like, you know, my only loss something opening day

895
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: I think I'm five and one was a ten inning

896
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: ball game against Bert Blyleven when the Rangers came to

897
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: Baltimore that you know, Larry Harlow in his first game

898
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: in the big leagues. Misplayed a fly ball and I

899
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: lost two to one. But I was able to pitch

900
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: ten innings because we got paid for wins. You know,

901
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: we didn't have we didn't have arbitration, We didn't have

902
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: somebody telling it was how great we are because we

903
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: happened to, you know, get sixteen outs. If you got

904
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: sixteen outs for Earl Weaver, you know, they'd always talked about,

905
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: let hey, this year, let's get eighteen Let's try to

906
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: get twenty one outs, twenty seven outs in a game.

907
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: If you told Earl Weaver, you know, ear I think

908
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: I can get you eighteen outs, he would go, you

909
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: mean it, Well, it's just a different thing. Now I

910
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: understand the dynamics. You know, you have analytical guys that say, okay,

911
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: and I don't know why, but guys are because they're

912
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 2: in better shape than we were and they have their

913
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: throwing programs, and I mean that's what I've been told.

914
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: So you know, you go on staff pass first time

915
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 2: through the order, you know, two, twenty second time through

916
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: the order, to sixty third time through the order, three fifty.

917
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: So the third time through the order. You know, you

918
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 2: don't have to be a math genius to say, hey,

919
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: guy on the bullpen, you know one of my eight

920
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 2: guys sitting out there. You know, numbers are lower than

921
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: a lot of starting pictures. The third time, Now, you

922
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 2: tell me why you can't get a guy out three times? Oh?

923
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: You know why, because you've told them. You've shown them

924
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: everything that you have the first time up or the

925
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 2: second time up. So where's the mystery the third time

926
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: through the linen? But then again, if you're just throwing

927
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 2: per velocity and spin, I've gout throwing a ball in

928
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: the outside corner and you kind of know where it's

929
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: going to go. You know they're going to hit it

930
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: to the opposite field. I mean, if you have a

931
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: field like this, left hand hitter comes up and you

932
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 2: can throw the ball on the outside corner, you can

933
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: take the right field here, You've can size the field

934
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: that size same with the right hand, so you're pitching

935
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: to a smaller ballpark. But again, that's that's kind of

936
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: what we tried to do. Right. Seemed to work, you know,

937
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: Oh that's right. I did play on a team that

938
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 2: had four twenty game winners. That's right, which is why

939
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: Earl had a great center. Hum, okay, let's see which

940
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: twenty game winner were all I start to do.

941
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: What a tough decision, I know.

942
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: Should I go with our I mean, they're only going

943
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: to win twenty three twenty four games? Or should I

944
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 2: get that Pat Dobson guy that we traded from San Diego?

945
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: You know? So yeah, a little different.

946
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 3: What cakes I want to ask about former guests of

947
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: the show. Obviously we talked about some other broadcasters you've

948
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 3: worked with, but we had Kevin Brown on and we

949
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: laughed so hard. We had so much fun with him.

950
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: He told us a story and I'll I'll encourage our

951
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 3: listeners to go back and listen to the interview of

952
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 3: a signed Kevin Brown baseball he received from his brother

953
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 3: in law right now. But it's not the Kevin Brown

954
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 3: you were thinking of. It's the Kevin Brown journeyman catcher

955
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 3: for the Boston Red Sox.

956
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: And he's like, I got a great price for it.

957
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 3: Well, it's because it wasn't the Kevin Brown that everybody

958
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: else would think of. We had a great time chatting

959
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 3: with him, and he is just the two of you together.

960
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 3: The wealth of knowledge, the fun that you have that booth,

961
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: it's just a great time.

962
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean then you throw in Ben McDonald,

963
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: you know Ben, Oh fantastic. Yeah. So yeah, and you

964
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: know we're all a lot better if they win. So

965
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: there's three and six record they have this year. I

966
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: hope it changes, right, you know, they're supposed to be

967
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: better this year. That's what I was doing. I'll tell

968
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 2: you what. I felt like I was going to get

969
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: some kool aid after reading six weeks of you know,

970
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: they don't let us go to spring training. You know,

971
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: they do remote games from Baltimore. So I did one

972
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 2: of those, and then a regular you know with an

973
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: ass came to Baltimore like right before that you open.

974
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: So I'm going, oh, yeah, this is It was like

975
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: everything was camel lot down in Sarasota this year. Now

976
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful facility. They have a new you know,

977
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: whole phole section where you you know, they have pitching

978
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 2: plates and pitchers and all the and the hitting stuff

979
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: and all that. But at the end of the day,

980
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: you know you've been around baseball forever that the teams

981
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: that make the plays. I mean I read the day

982
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: they're going to have to be more fundamentally and execute better. No,

983
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: I mean you know, I mean that's you know, good

984
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 2: teams don't beat themselves. Good teams know how to play

985
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 2: the game, you know. But again, until you're a good team,

986
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: how do you how are you considered a good team?

987
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: You win baseball games, you win the one run games,

988
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: so you know that's what they did back in twenty

989
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: three and you know even twenty four four.

990
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: Well, cakes, we've asked you to do this before, but

991
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: we're going to ask you again. You threw almost four

992
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: thousand innings in the major leagues and never gave up

993
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: a Grand Slam. I think Nolan Ran, who I love,

994
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: by the way, and by the way, I had lunch

995
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: with Nolan Ryan the other day. Was fascinating. But he

996
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: gave up twelve Grand slams. You gave up zero. How

997
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: do you explain that you pitched almost four thousand innings

998
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: and never gave up a Grand Slam.

999
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: Well, you noticed that there were three guys out of

1000
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: the bases, you know. You came down on camping guards

1001
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 2: and handed me the paper. You said, the boys in

1002
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: Bristol said you won't know what this is, and then

1003
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 2: you handed me I don't know.

1004
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: Twelve eleven names, eleven names.

1005
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: Whatever, and I go, well, the only logical you know

1006
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: answer is the fact this must have been the guys

1007
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 2: that I walked with the bases loaded. So I was

1008
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: I walked, and then I think Seaver walk more and Tom,

1009
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: you know, Tom terrific, was terrific. So you know, you

1010
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 2: you decide who you want to pitch to even if

1011
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: the bases are loaded.

1012
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: Cakes, just just tell us how close you came that

1013
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: day in Cleveland to giving up a grand slam t

1014
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: Rico CARTI.

1015
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: That wasn't it. It wasn't that clarse. Now my good

1016
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 2: friend Dennis Secresy thinks it was right. Okay, so this

1017
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: is seventy seven, I believe, I think seventy seventy seven

1018
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 2: or seventy eight. But I get tennis elbow. Nobody gets tennis.

1019
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: You get it here, You get your medial epicondent where

1020
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 2: all your flexors come. So all of a sudden, I

1021
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 2: have tennis elbow. So now, all of a sudden, when

1022
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: you're you know that little last thing gives you, you know,

1023
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 2: you throw a slider, you turn your wrist, and well

1024
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 2: it's killing me. So I try every kind of modality,

1025
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 2: and I go from twelve and eight to thirteen and twelve,

1026
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: and I have to win my last seven starts. So

1027
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 2: I went, you know, when fourteen fifteen, sixteen, seventeen eighteen,

1028
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: I'm going for number nineteen against tennis actually on a

1029
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: Saturday afternoon, and Eck is dealing. He's striking guys out

1030
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 2: and pointing at him and all that. And you know,

1031
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 2: so we get into the eighth inning and Paul Day

1032
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: hits a little looper the gay BoNT de Sinse falls

1033
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 2: down a third because you know, the football field was horrible.

1034
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 2: Then I fall down. Now bases are loaded, I get

1035
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 2: Bruce BOTTBACKI coming up, Rico, Andy Thornton and Rico Carty,

1036
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: and I only have one more start after this, so

1037
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 2: I go, how am I going to get out of this?

1038
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 2: And I go, you know, two and two and Bochie

1039
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: and he strikes out on a high fastball. I go, okay,

1040
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: And now Andy Thornton was there, all Star RBI guy,

1041
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,280
Speaker 2: you know, pay the All Star team, throw him fastball

1042
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,479
Speaker 2: up and then he pops up to market. Bolanger said, whoah,

1043
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: wait a minute. Now we've got Rico Cartney. Now Rico Carty.

1044
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 2: You know, he's to talk to you, big smile on

1045
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 2: his face. Well why did he smile? He had three

1046
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: sixty six and the national hitting He was a happy guy, right.

1047
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: So I throwing him a slider down on the way

1048
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: earlier in the year, and he hit it over the

1049
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 2: right centerfield fence about four point thirty. But it was

1050
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: a solo home run. And we used to always talked

1051
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 2: about the fact there are pitches not only in the game,

1052
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 2: but in a year that our information pitches. So I

1053
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 2: got the information that this is Rico Carti, and I

1054
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 2: had faced him when I was nineteen. He was playing

1055
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 2: for the Braves. Now, so he hits the slider, a

1056
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: pitcher's pitch, over the right centerfield fence. I know I'm

1057
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: probably not going to throw him a slider with a

1058
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: base of load because I you know, I'm heavily invested

1059
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: and I've thrown away right, probably only about twenty eight

1060
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 2: hundred inninges at that point. So anyway, so I throw

1061
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 2: him a high fastball and he always swings at it.

1062
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: He takes it. Ball, throw him another high fastball. He

1063
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 2: takes it again, and I go. So I take a

1064
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 2: deep breath and I go, I said Rick Dempsey, catch,

1065
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 2: and I said, you know, like we did, just put

1066
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 2: the glove on the outside corner. So I throw him

1067
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: fastball load away, hits it off the end of the bat.

1068
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: But in those days on what kind of offensive club,

1069
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 2: because the the outfield was in a football arena, they

1070
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 2: could bring the fences in or out or whatever. The

1071
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 2: fencers are medium that year, and the wind's blown out.

1072
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 2: But it's a routine fly ball except the Rico Cardi

1073
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 2: hit it, so it's not a routine flyball. You know.

1074
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 2: It's kind of like saying, you know, when Eddie Murray

1075
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: had won, or you know, or a Booth or somebody

1076
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 2: like that was wou So the ball goes out there

1077
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: and Albumbrie, you know what's that five seven five eight,

1078
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 2: He just goes back and he reaches up and catches it.

1079
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: He doesn't jump over the fence, doesn't do what Joe

1080
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 2: Adele did three balls over the wall like the other

1081
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 2: night or whatever. He just catches the ball. Now I'm

1082
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 2: on the foul line because it it was kind of

1083
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: routine until it wasn't. And then goes up again. The

1084
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 2: fences are in the winds blowing, and you know, Al

1085
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: catches it and then Eddie Murray and Kenny Singleton back

1086
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 2: to back home runs and I went four to one.

1087
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 2: And the next day we're out running. And you know,

1088
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: Eck and I are good friends. You know, another first

1089
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 2: first ballot Hall of Famer, and I had met him

1090
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: in Erie, Pennsylvania when we did it, and he was

1091
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: like twenty one or twenty two, and he spoke and

1092
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 2: he spoke another language, cheese and iron all this stuff

1093
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 2: like that. But he was, you know, he's he's a

1094
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 2: really great guy, you know now, but when he's pitching.

1095
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 2: So I looked at him and I said, you know, yeah,

1096
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 2: I pitched me yesterday, tilled the ninethtenning. But I said, point,

1097
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: you know, punch. I mean, he struck out ten or

1098
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 2: eleven and I was probably struck out four. But he's,

1099
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 2: you know, pointing at him and all that. I said,

1100
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: you don't need to do that. You're you're you know,

1101
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 2: you're as talent as anybody. I said, just I come out.

1102
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: That's your job. Get the ball, turn around and get

1103
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: the next guy. And he goes and now he'll tell

1104
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 2: the story. Now he goes, well, I should have won

1105
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 2: that game. I said, well, yeah, should it, except that

1106
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: you gave up four runs and I gave up one.

1107
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: That's baseball, so and then I won. Then I finished

1108
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 2: eleven innings and Dempsey hit a little looper down the

1109
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 2: right field line to win my twentieth against the Tigers.

1110
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: So that's what kind we did. But so that's the

1111
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: closest I ever threw filling, even though I did throw

1112
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: a grand Slam to Johnny. Johnny Bench and Niagara Falls

1113
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 2: went in nineteen fifty seven when they had the racial

1114
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 2: riots and couldn't play in Buffalo where they filmed the Natural,

1115
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: so we had to go out there. I meant, it

1116
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 2: warmed up on a burn in right field, and the

1117
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 2: yard markers and Weaver told me I had a five

1118
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,959
Speaker 2: to nothing lead. I struck out bat the first time again,

1119
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 2: I mean, marn was killing me. And next time it

1120
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 2: runs out, I walked. Basis a lot of the five

1121
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 2: nothing lead just thrown along and Johnny hit about four

1122
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty feet and it was the last time

1123
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: they saw. It was going into the midst of the

1124
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: Niagara Falls. And then I threw one in spring training

1125
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: to Freddy POTTEK, Wow, four miles do you have?

1126
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: Freddy?

1127
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 2: I struck out. I struck out a really old Rodriguez.

1128
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: If they had the ABF, I would have challenged it

1129
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 2: right down the lefre I missed it ready had a

1130
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 2: hit a fly ball in the left field and it

1131
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 2: was one of the ten runs and fourteen hits I

1132
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 2: gave you that day.

1133
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, Freddie Potek was shorter than me. He was

1134
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 1: five fot four and he played a pretty darn good

1135
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: shorts up on the major league level. Well for a

1136
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: long time.

1137
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 2: We have time. I'll leave you with one story. So

1138
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 2: you talked about Chris South. So we go to Kansas

1139
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 2: City to do the playoffs, and we're going out to

1140
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 2: the ballpark and how are you go that I'm in

1141
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: the quadry? Who am I going to interview today? And

1142
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: I said, well, you know, Brett's going to give you

1143
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 2: the standard stuff. I mean, don't get me wrong, George Brett,

1144
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 2: hall of Famer, great player. I said, but Freddy Poteks,

1145
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: he's going to tell you exactly. You know, He's going

1146
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 2: to tell them like it is. So Howard gets him

1147
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: on there, and you know, Freddy says, because they had

1148
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 2: lost two playoffs the year before, he says, you know,

1149
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 2: the only people that think we're going to win are

1150
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 2: the players and the coaching staff. He said, you know,

1151
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 2: they drew two point two million people. He said, our

1152
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 2: fans should act like Yankee fans, get off their hands

1153
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 2: and maybe we'll win. So the opening of our on

1154
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 2: our ABC telegas was, you know, like in the old days,

1155
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 2: you know, War over, you know, World War two over whatever.

1156
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: They have the papers being printed. Uh, drats boiled again

1157
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: by those damn Yankees. That's what That's the headline we

1158
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 2: had in our open. So seventh inning, Uh Freddy comes up,

1159
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: Kansas City's down, ends up, hits a three run home run,

1160
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: and as he's coming around second base, Howard Cosell says,

1161
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 2: just like in the Broadway play Damn Yankees, You Got

1162
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 2: to Have Heart. Now, who thinks that it was brilliant?

1163
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: It was brilliant. Drats boiled again by those damn Yankees.

1164
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 2: It was one of the theme songs that Damn Yankees.

1165
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 2: Now that was Howard. Now he was annoying, you know,

1166
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, ripped everybody in his book and

1167
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: all that. But you know, so you know, I mean

1168
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: when I did the playoffs in seventy eight, we come

1169
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 2: back and we're in the Akee Stadium and you know

1170
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 2: I'm new. I mean a picture. It doesn't matter how

1171
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 2: I bront us because I'm going to go back and

1172
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 2: pitch the next year. So I'm up there and they

1173
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: want Chuck. Howard is a one about four him, he's

1174
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: our producer. He says, Howard, can you voice over the

1175
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 2: seventy six and seventy seven playoffs? And there was a

1176
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 2: play I think Mark Lidell. It gives up a home

1177
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 2: run or a double to Chris Chambliss or something like that.

1178
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: And so anyway, so I'm sitting there and they just

1179
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: they run the film and Howard voices over, no script,

1180
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: no nothing, And I saw him a headset on because

1181
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 2: I'm trying to listen and learn, and Chuck says, hey, Howard,

1182
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: why do I play back? He goes, why it was perfect?

1183
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 2: So anyway he said, no, I just feel more comfortable

1184
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: and all that. So anyway, he plays it back and

1185
00:59:53,880 --> 01:00:01,919
Speaker 2: the intonation, the timing, it's incredibly perfect. So Howard, Chuck says, well, Howard,

1186
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 2: what do you think? He says, I told you it

1187
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 2: was perfect, and it was so that's how And then

1188
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 2: the guy would come in to do his radio show.

1189
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 2: You know, I would go sell speaking of sports, and

1190
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 2: he no script or anything like he do one you know,

1191
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 2: three two one, he do a minute and a half

1192
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 2: three two one do the last minute and then the

1193
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 2: guy who walked out of the booth.

1194
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: Amazing, Cakes, we kept you for over an hour. This

1195
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: time we could have taken Jan out to another hour. Jeff,

1196
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: you didn't even ask a question the last thirty minutes

1197
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: because Cakes was filling it up.

1198
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I was just absorbing it like a sponge.

1199
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 3: I mean, to talk to a Hall of Famer and

1200
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 3: it I mean, he asked one question, and your recall,

1201
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 3: Cakes is just unbelievable. And we don't even need to

1202
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 3: fact check it because we know if Jim Balmer said it.

1203
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 2: Then that's you know. In fact, somebody sent me. They

1204
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 2: sent me some on my ex about the first game

1205
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 2: I ever pitched in, but I only threw one pitch.

1206
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, I mean I you know, I came

1207
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 2: in Robin Robert, we get four runs off mambacat Is

1208
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty five, and then Robin goes out there and

1209
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 2: he struggles. So I come in and in fact, I

1210
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 2: walk you as the lough their bases up, and then

1211
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 2: I got to face Tony can nickli are the best

1212
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 2: young fastball hitter, and he swung it two high fastballs,

1213
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 2: and then somehow I threw a Loane away fastball and

1214
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 2: John Flirty, the home played umpire called it a strike,

1215
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 2: and I could have got the grand Slam out of it,

1216
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 2: out of the way because the second guy that I

1217
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: spent my part too, no flurries, you know. So if

1218
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 2: somebody sent me a thick kind of a game, Bleffery

1219
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 2: hit a home run. He has hit a home run,

1220
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 2: you know. But that's a few years ago.

1221
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: That was sixty years ago. Cakes, thanks so much for

1222
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: joining us. We will see you. I'll see you at

1223
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: Camden Yards the next time you're there.

1224
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 2: And I got the reds I got the Red Sox

1225
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 2: in Houston coming up.

1226
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: So at the end of the my right, good, well,

1227
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: I'll be there. I'll see you then. Thanks for joining

1228
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:03,479
Speaker 1: us again. It was enlightening beyond words. Thank you so much.

1229
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: Enlightening, enlightening. We don't I'm out here in California, we

1230
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of lightning.