Speaker 1: Look out. It's only films to be buried with.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to films to be buried with. My
Speaker 2: name is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a
Speaker 2: writer and director, a chain reaction, and I love films.
Speaker 2: As Joan Didion once said, we tell ourselves stories in
Speaker 2: order to live. We watch the taste of things in
Speaker 2: order to be hungry, and then you know, eat stuff.
Speaker 2: Every week I invite a special guest diver. I tell
Speaker 2: them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their
Speaker 2: lives through the films. The men the most of them.
Speaker 2: Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith, Sharon Stone, and
Speaker 2: even Forms. But this week we have the award winning actor, writer,
Speaker 2: producer and filmmaker David Dismulchin. My comedy special Second Best
Speaker 2: Night of Your Life is streaming now on Max and Skye.
Speaker 2: Give it a watch, you'll fucking love it. Head over
Speaker 2: to the Patreon at patreon dot com. Forward to Last
Speaker 2: Brett Goldstein, where you get an extra twenty minutes of
Speaker 2: chat with David. He tells a very good secret about
Speaker 2: beginnings and endings, and you get the whole episode, uncut,
Speaker 2: adfree and as a video check it out over at
Speaker 2: patreon dot com. Forward Slash Bret gold Team, So David Desmulchin.
Speaker 2: You might know David from his roles in Prisoners, Dark Knight, June,
Speaker 2: Murder Bot, Life of Chuck, Late Night with the Devil,
Speaker 2: all sorts. He's in everything. We recorded this over zoom.
Speaker 2: We had such a lovely time. I do think I
Speaker 2: have to do a trigger warning. I very rarely do these,
Speaker 2: but we do have a discussion about suicide, and if
Speaker 2: that is something you don't want to listen to, then
Speaker 2: feel free to skip this one and sending you love.
Speaker 2: If that's the case, that's it for now. I very
Speaker 2: much think you're going to enjoy this one. I very
Speaker 2: much hope you enjoy episode three hundred and fifty seven
Speaker 2: of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to
Speaker 2: Films to be Buried With. It is I Brett Goldstein,
Speaker 2: and I am joined today by an actor legend, a
Speaker 2: Life of Chucker, a suicide squadn a.
Speaker 1: Prisoner no.
Speaker 2: A Boogie Manner, a Murder butter, a Late Night with
Speaker 2: the Devil, a great conversationalist, a Oppenheimer. He is in
Speaker 2: everything you've ever loved. He is a true a boogie manner.
Speaker 2: Whenever you see him, you know you're in for a treat.
Speaker 2: I can't believe he's here. He's a hero, a legend
Speaker 2: and a man, and he's sitting right across from me
Speaker 2: on a zoom. Please, welcome to the show. It's the
Speaker 2: brilliant David dis Motune.
Speaker 3: Brad.
Speaker 4: That was That was the best introduction I've ever received
Speaker 4: in my entire career, in my life, So thank you
Speaker 4: very much.
Speaker 3: It's such a great moment for me.
Speaker 4: I'm such a fan of yours and I'm grateful I
Speaker 4: get to occupy your time and attention for the show.
Speaker 3: Makes me very happy.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I'm very excited to do this with you. We've met
Speaker 2: very briefly a couple of times. I think I saw
Speaker 2: you at the Boogeyman premiere a preview. What was that
Speaker 2: fright Fest.
Speaker 3: Something like that or or overlaried or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then I saw you at a party the
Speaker 4: night before party.
Speaker 3: And then I saw you once but you didn't see me.
Speaker 4: I think I was at Soho House in London and
Speaker 4: I was there with Peter Capaldi having a coffee and
Speaker 4: you walk past and I said, that's Brett Goldstein and
Speaker 4: he said, you just never know who you're going to
Speaker 4: see here.
Speaker 2: David, And he said, who the fuck is that?
Speaker 1: David?
Speaker 2: So much to talk about. Where do we even start? Well,
Speaker 2: let's start with Life of Chuck, which I loved so much. Thanks,
Speaker 2: and you're you're a small but beautiful memorable part in it,
Speaker 2: like everyone Everyone's. More I like about the film is
Speaker 2: everyone's actually a small part in that film, which I
Speaker 2: think is the message of it.
Speaker 4: It's true even I mean Tom is billed as Chuck.
Speaker 4: It's the Life of Chuck, and he's the star of
Speaker 4: the film, if you will. But to me, the cohesive
Speaker 4: like through line, narrative performance is actually rests on the
Speaker 4: shoulders in many ways of Chewetel's character. And then it's
Speaker 4: this really fantastic way of looking at the world through
Speaker 4: the lens of you know, everything from your thinking of
Speaker 4: like a Robert Altman film to like a Carson mcculler's novel.
Speaker 4: It's just like there's all these different characters and humans
Speaker 4: that populate the space of someone's life, and whether they're
Speaker 4: existing in reality or in memory. Mike Flanagan keeps calling
Speaker 4: into question as the story progresses, and I get to
Speaker 4: have one little interaction, but it's a special and beautiful interaction,
Speaker 4: and I'm really glad you liked the film. I think
Speaker 4: the film's beautiful, and I love I love Mike's work.
Speaker 4: And I felt a great deal of pressure in going
Speaker 4: to do it because a I've been friends with Mike
Speaker 4: for a long time, and so when you finally get
Speaker 4: the opportunity to work with one of your friends or
Speaker 4: for one of your friends, you feel like, and at
Speaker 4: least I do an extra sense of oh my goodness, Wow,
Speaker 4: this is something we've been talking about for so long.
Speaker 3: It's finally happening. I hope I don't disappoint.
Speaker 4: But also with my character's odd, beautiful little monologue, it's
Speaker 4: at the top of the film, and it really tonally
Speaker 4: in about a paragraph and a half, kind of sets
Speaker 4: a mood in a sense for this film you're about
Speaker 4: to experience. So I remember as I was getting ready
Speaker 4: to do it, thinking, oh, this is really like you
Speaker 4: got to really hit the right notes here, and Mike
Speaker 4: just helped me get it.
Speaker 3: And I'm very very Yeah, it's very pleased.
Speaker 2: It's a great experience that you've done that a lot
Speaker 2: of thing because you're that same thing in Boogeyman. You
Speaker 2: set the tone. You're the first. You're selling us the fear.
Speaker 3: Of tone setter.
Speaker 4: Dave does Walch, a character actor tone setter, h No.
Speaker 4: I think the thing that I ask directors the most
Speaker 4: about before we go to work is I get less
Speaker 4: interested in characters psycho. I think the psychology, the backstory,
Speaker 4: and all that wonderful fun stuff. Unless the director feels
Speaker 4: really imperative to make sure and share something with me
Speaker 4: that they think is going to affect something in the
Speaker 4: way I perform, behave, or maybe get blocked. That interior
Speaker 4: work is just my responsibility to do on my own
Speaker 4: and I those conversations to me are less productive on
Speaker 4: set unless you're in a crisis and you're trying to
Speaker 4: solve a problem.
Speaker 3: To me, it's the build up conversations.
Speaker 4: And I have a number of directors that I've been
Speaker 4: fortunate enough to work with a couple of times or more,
Speaker 4: and it's always tone. I ask them, please send me
Speaker 4: any albums, any records, any films, any books, any pieces
Speaker 4: of art. I have one director in particular who just
Speaker 4: sends me artwork and it helps me get my head
Speaker 4: around tone. And he's done it every film we've made together,
Speaker 4: and I find it incredibly useful. Maybe some people that's
Speaker 4: I don't know not but I.
Speaker 2: That's that's what I was going to ask because in
Speaker 2: Life of Check everyone is so disparate and small, small
Speaker 2: amount of screen time, I suppose, but tinally everyone's in
Speaker 2: the same film, And I wondered how he did that,
Speaker 2: how much conversation there was, because I'm assuming you there
Speaker 2: for a day.
Speaker 3: I was there for a day.
Speaker 4: I flew down for a day, and then we shot
Speaker 4: the next day, and then I was gone. And Mike
Speaker 4: did a really good job over the phone. He would
Speaker 4: keep I think he called each of us and set
Speaker 4: up through his Really he's a really good communicator, so
Speaker 4: he was able to communicate the tonality and kind of
Speaker 4: what his hopes and dreams were for the world of
Speaker 4: the film, but also for the individual characters. And then
Speaker 4: on the day he's really kind of it's kind of
Speaker 4: wonderful to work with Mike because he has the same
Speaker 4: crew often and he's got to flow around him of
Speaker 4: people that just kind of go from one project to
Speaker 4: the next, and it feels a bit like, you know,
Speaker 4: this just traveling circus.
Speaker 3: And he one of the things he does.
Speaker 4: That's really useful is he sends you ahead of time
Speaker 4: his shot list. It's part of the call sheet actually,
Speaker 4: so you get your sides with shot lists, so you
Speaker 4: know the way we're going to be covering the scene,
Speaker 4: and then we can have a quick conversation, if you know,
Speaker 4: for the sake of the way that the scenes play out.
Speaker 4: In what I was doing, it's a series of conversations
Speaker 4: that Chutel's having with the different parents at a parent
Speaker 4: teacher conference. So instead of covering both sides of the table,
Speaker 4: one you know, interaction after the next, we blocked it
Speaker 4: where it's like we're going to shoot all the parents
Speaker 4: coverage for the morning, then we're going to turn around
Speaker 4: and we shoot all the teacher coverage for the afternoon.
Speaker 3: And because Mike, as I think.
Speaker 4: All great directors are such good communicators, I knew, I
Speaker 4: knew what he needed, and the slight adjustments he was
Speaker 4: making over the course of shooting our.
Speaker 3: Stuff was just little little little ticks and stuff.
Speaker 2: I love his stuff. I think he's a real real
Speaker 2: special one. I like how emotional all his stuff is,
Speaker 2: even his really really scary stuff.
Speaker 1: It's very moving.
Speaker 2: He really Yeah, he really makes films we love I
Speaker 2: think like you really care.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 4: I'm a fan of all shades of genre, the full
Speaker 4: spectrum when it comes to horror, like I'm a big
Speaker 4: I love camp, I love z I love Gore, but
Speaker 4: dialed in at the end of the day. The thing
Speaker 4: that really moves me the most when it comes to
Speaker 4: horror and I and Life of Chuck by the way,
Speaker 4: for those who are you know, enjoying our conversation right now,
Speaker 4: is not what I would describe as a horror film.
Speaker 4: But most of my most of Mike's work does live
Speaker 4: in that space. And and there's something to me about
Speaker 4: like playing it straight, playing the drama of the given
Speaker 4: circumstances and not trying to plus up the horror anyways,
Speaker 4: what makes stuff more meaningful. So when you watch something
Speaker 4: like you know, The Midnight Mass or Usher or these
Speaker 4: other shows that have been so wonderful that Mike's created
Speaker 4: and made, that's where that that's where that when you
Speaker 4: when you watch a character who's you know, going through
Speaker 4: a crisis that you can relate to and you feel like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I understand that feeling, and then they
Speaker 4: get attacked by you know, blood sucking monster. It's just
Speaker 4: the snakes are so much better.
Speaker 1: You know what z Z like.
Speaker 3: There's B films. Yeah, you'd be like, oh, there's a
Speaker 3: B like B like like D like z Z is
Speaker 3: like you know, ed Wood.
Speaker 4: Like her Sharknado is the content temporary version of maybe
Speaker 4: what people would consider old Herschel Gordon Lewis films, or
Speaker 4: you know, I grew up as a kid. I was
Speaker 4: just talking about this. I have a couple of friends
Speaker 4: who I grew up with visiting me here in La
Speaker 4: and when we were kids, we'd ride our bikes to
Speaker 4: this video store and the teenagers stone behind the counter.
Speaker 3: It was not a corporate chain.
Speaker 4: It was like a mom and pop shop, so they
Speaker 4: didn't give care about you being underage, so you could
Speaker 4: just grab anything off the shelf and take it home
Speaker 4: and watch it.
Speaker 3: And I watched a lot of good Z films back
Speaker 3: in the day.
Speaker 2: I'd say, what about you played the leads. You did
Speaker 2: a lead role in a great, great film which was
Speaker 2: also a huge success, I believe Late Night with the Devil,
Speaker 2: which I loved I went to see at the Chinese
Speaker 2: Theater in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: And we can do so.
Speaker 2: Much, and I have to ask as a British person.
Speaker 2: Did you watch guys to watch there? It is?
Speaker 1: It is hes of it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 4: I was a longtime fan of ghost Watch films like Ghostwatch,
Speaker 4: Lake Mungo and Blair Witch.
Speaker 1: Lake Mungo is so fucking good.
Speaker 4: It's a masterpiece and you know what's wild. Joel Anderson,
Speaker 4: who made Mungo, was the person who is friends with
Speaker 4: the filmmakers of Late Night with the Devil. He read
Speaker 4: their script. He brought that script to Stephen Schneider and
Speaker 4: Roy Lee, who are the American producers on it, who
Speaker 4: brought me to the film because I'm friends with Roy
Speaker 4: and Roy had said, David did filmmakers, and I agree, like,
Speaker 4: you'd be great for the role. We're making this little film.
Speaker 4: Would you like to get involved? It's going to be
Speaker 4: something small, but I think you'd really enjoy it. So
Speaker 4: I read the script and I was flipped out. I
Speaker 4: was like, hey, yes, I love this script, but be like,
Speaker 4: I'm so. I was so thrilled that they even considered me,
Speaker 4: because I don't if I was a producer, casting director,
Speaker 4: I don't think reading Late Night with the Devil, I
Speaker 4: would go Dave Dismalchin, there's a number of other actors
Speaker 4: that I would imagine ahead of me, and I you
Speaker 4: never know the whole story. Maybe they went to all
Speaker 4: of them and then they were just like, who else
Speaker 4: can we go to?
Speaker 3: But I don't care. The point is I got to do.
Speaker 4: It, and it was the first first time I have
Speaker 4: a production company. It was the first film because I
Speaker 4: have a company called Good Fiend Films, and we're the
Speaker 4: thrust of what I want to do is tell genre stories,
Speaker 4: horror and science fiction, but wrestling with big questions and
Speaker 4: identity issues. And it was just perfect timing because I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm sure you've experienced this. You've been, you know, a
Speaker 4: successful and talented and you know, very kind of across
Speaker 4: the spectrum performer, comedian, actor, writer. But in the last
Speaker 4: few years, all of a sudden, your life just changed
Speaker 4: drastically in many ways. I feel similarly in the last
Speaker 4: few years, not to the degree of I mean, your success,
Speaker 4: but I've had some success that has changed the way
Speaker 4: that like interactions in public take place, the amount of
Speaker 4: press that I am asked and have the great gratitude
Speaker 4: to get to do to promote things that I care about.
Speaker 4: But I've had to you know, I'm going to be
Speaker 4: fifty this year and over the many years since teenagehood,
Speaker 4: where you're trying to create an identity just to attract
Speaker 4: the you know, people you're attracted to, or maybe to
Speaker 4: keep yourself safe from the social fears that you have
Speaker 4: into my adulthood, where my profession and my personal life
Speaker 4: and just being a member of society is like about
Speaker 4: creating a kind of exterior thing that keeps you both
Speaker 4: safe and is also a presentation of I think the
Speaker 4: best version that you want people to really believe about
Speaker 4: you and Jack in this strip, and I was wrestling
Speaker 4: with all that stuff while I was going to make this.
Speaker 4: I was like, what's the real, authentic me? If I
Speaker 4: strip everything away, who is the real me? And I
Speaker 4: think he's a nerd that likes reading comic books, that
Speaker 4: likes watching horror movies. I don't need to always I
Speaker 4: was really insecure getting into the film and television business,
Speaker 4: coming from theater, being like I only am wanting to
Speaker 4: do you know, independent drama, and like don't I can't.
Speaker 3: Like there's something that felt like, ah, is it okay
Speaker 3: that I like this nerdy stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 4: And Jack Delroy is is that to presentational? He's a
Speaker 4: talk show host, but privately he's deeply struggling. So thank
Speaker 4: you for going and seeing it, and thank you for
Speaker 4: saying what you said. I'm really proud of the.
Speaker 2: Film and about to do it. It's really great. How
Speaker 2: do you cope with your changed circumstances in your normal life?
Speaker 4: I have about a two and on a rougher day,
Speaker 4: three hours of time that's dedicated to i'd say, my
Speaker 4: my wellness, like just being as conscious and present as possible.
Speaker 4: In May, I celebrated twenty three years of sobriety, and
Speaker 4: so I'm still a part of thank you. I'm still
Speaker 4: a part of working a program that involves me getting
Speaker 4: an opportunity once a day, sometimes twice a day, to
Speaker 4: be surrounded by other people who share similar, you know,
Speaker 4: struggles and needs. And the gift is what I look
Speaker 4: at it as I have I meditate, I do yoga
Speaker 4: when I wake up, I exercise.
Speaker 3: I have a therapist that I really appreciate.
Speaker 4: I journal, and then I try to be really diligent
Speaker 4: about surrounding my innermost circle with people that not only
Speaker 4: keep me grounded and honest, but also who I can
Speaker 4: feel safe with. But I'm learning a lot. I learn
Speaker 4: every day. I learned the choices that I make. The
Speaker 4: ramifications for the choices that I make, are often frustrating.
Speaker 4: If I'm in my like what I call king baby mode,
Speaker 4: when I'm not conscious and when I'm like when my
Speaker 4: eight year old is running the show and it's like, well,
Speaker 4: why can't I go do this thing that just other
Speaker 4: people can do? I used to do that as an addict,
Speaker 4: I go, well, how come I can't do Everyone else
Speaker 4: gets to smoke pot, everyone else can drink a glass
Speaker 4: of wine?
Speaker 3: Why can't It's not fair? A life is not fair.
Speaker 3: There's no such thing as fair.
Speaker 4: But as someone who's continuing to work and get in
Speaker 4: more and more high profile projects or maybe bigger things, I.
Speaker 3: Go, well, why can't I just go do this thing?
Speaker 4: Or sometimes it's simple things like just take my kids
Speaker 4: to go do something without being bothered whatever it's like,
Speaker 4: or I don't know, do stuff that I'd be like what.
Speaker 4: But But then when I'm conscious and I have the
Speaker 4: presence of gratitude, and I step back and I go, wait, man,
Speaker 4: look at what you get to do, Look at the
Speaker 4: what's the trade here? It's incredibly tipped in my favor.
Speaker 4: I think the scale is how about yourself? Has it
Speaker 4: been mostly positive or would you say mixed bag for you?
Speaker 2: Well, hang on a second, this isn't about me, no,
Speaker 2: I know, I'm not for that.
Speaker 1: This was a conversation about Well.
Speaker 2: One thing we do have to talk about, though, is
Speaker 2: you have a show of your own which is about death. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Trader great conversations, Yes, tell us more so.
Speaker 4: I would love to have you come climb in a
Speaker 4: casket with me sometimes, Brett.
Speaker 3: It was it started. I thought, very funny.
Speaker 4: My friend Elan, who actually produces for my produced Life
Speaker 4: at Chunk producing the new Carry series. But Elan he
Speaker 4: approached me and said, hey, I'm doing a brand some
Speaker 4: branding work with this casket company.
Speaker 3: I think you should come be like a spokesperson for them.
Speaker 4: And I thought that was so hilarious because I mean,
Speaker 4: I am a vampire. I do sleep, you know, the
Speaker 4: bottom of my castle at night and during the day,
Speaker 4: I should say, I drink blood. I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's great, I can promote caskets. And at first it
Speaker 4: was a bit of like a getchy fun thing.
Speaker 3: But then I met.
Speaker 4: These people who is this little small company that were
Speaker 4: like they're trying, They're trying to enter the game. It's
Speaker 4: it's basically in the States, a very monopolized industry, the
Speaker 4: business of death. And so let's say you lose. And
Speaker 4: I've experienced it a number of times in recent years.
Speaker 4: Both of my parents have passed and others that I love.
Speaker 4: So you go, someone's dead, You're in trauma, you're in grief.
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, you're confronted with like a car
Speaker 4: salesman who's like, here at the home, here's here's the model.
Speaker 4: Do you want the one that you really loved your
Speaker 4: parents for twenty thousand? Do you want the one that
Speaker 4: you kind of love them for well, or do you
Speaker 4: want that I didn't really have a relationship with my
Speaker 4: parents for eight So these guys said, the law states
Speaker 4: that you don't have to buy the caskets that are
Speaker 4: being sold to you. You can get them sent from
Speaker 4: even a costco if you wanted to. And they're offering
Speaker 4: things at like a fifth of the market value at
Speaker 4: some point because they don't think it's fair for people
Speaker 4: to have to go into debt just to bury a
Speaker 4: loved one.
Speaker 3: So I was like, this is a good thing.
Speaker 4: Then Elon goes, what if we had a little podcast,
Speaker 4: or you and a friend getting adjacent caskets. You lay
Speaker 4: there and talk about whatever they want to talk about,
Speaker 4: if they're on a tour, doing a comedy special, if
Speaker 4: they're a musician.
Speaker 3: But then let's talk a little bit.
Speaker 4: About the end of life, because it is something that
Speaker 4: I would love to see more normalized. I was raised
Speaker 4: in a really religious atmosphere probably explains my love of horror,
Speaker 4: where the answers that you were given about end of
Speaker 4: life were like final. They were very simple, and if
Speaker 4: you couldn't wrap your head around it, you were wrong.
Speaker 4: Basic right, And it really messed me up as a
Speaker 4: kid because I had so many questions and I was
Speaker 4: so curious about what happens after we go and where
Speaker 4: does science and anything maybe we might call other stuff
Speaker 4: meet Like all that was so fa So in doing
Speaker 4: the show Grave Conversations, it's like everybody from you know,
Speaker 4: Kamil nan Gianni gets in and makes me laugh and
Speaker 4: we're mutual friends with Camille, but then he's got me
Speaker 4: crying to really great you know, musicians, directors. I just
Speaker 4: James Gunn was just in the other day and we're
Speaker 4: talking about Superman and then the next thing, you know,
Speaker 4: we're talking about funeral planning and the fear that we
Speaker 4: sometimes have when it comes to the stuff. So that's
Speaker 4: what it is, and I'm really proud of it.
Speaker 3: It's it's something I really love doing.
Speaker 2: That is rights up my street. That is that is
Speaker 2: a rights ut Miami. One other question for you about
Speaker 2: acting and stuff. I'm so curious because you appear in
Speaker 2: so many things, sometimes in a big part, sometimes in
Speaker 2: the small part. But like looking at your CV fact,
Speaker 2: you know, it's a fucking incredible CV. You've done so
Speaker 2: many great films, and I'm wondering if you have any
Speaker 2: like if you're arriving, say Oppenheimer, which is this huge,
Speaker 2: huge film filled with huge stars and everything like that.
Speaker 2: What I'm asking you is, let's say you arrived in
Speaker 2: the middle of one of these films, it's well underway.
Speaker 2: How do you approach fitting in? I spoke when you're
Speaker 2: on a big new project, Are you're really going to
Speaker 2: be there probably for a short period of time. Do
Speaker 2: you have tricks or is it just you see how
Speaker 2: it you just feel it out.
Speaker 4: Oppenheimer is a really good example in answering that question,
Speaker 4: because I showed up on the film they were already
Speaker 4: into production. I had worked with the director previously once,
Speaker 4: which was the first time I'd ever been on a
Speaker 4: film set, and that was so long ago. I mean
Speaker 4: that was I shot with him in two thousand and seven,
Speaker 4: and I went to do Oppenheimer in two thousand and
Speaker 4: twenty two. I think, so what fifteen years later, all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, I'm back in I'd gotten the opportunity
Speaker 4: to read the full script one time at Universal, so
Speaker 4: I got a sense of the world that was being built.
Speaker 4: But honestly, a lot of it was going over my
Speaker 4: head because I was trying to read it in one
Speaker 4: sitting and it was a dense script and I was
Speaker 4: in a locked room. I got to meet with him
Speaker 4: and talk to him briefly in his office, where he
Speaker 4: really just said something to the effect of all I
Speaker 4: kind of like, I know, you'll know what to do
Speaker 4: or something. We talked a bit about my character Borden.
Speaker 4: But yeah, So I showed up in New Mexico and
Speaker 4: all of the actors portraying the different scientists, obviously, Killian,
Speaker 4: Robert and other leads had been on the job for
Speaker 4: at least a month maybe, so they had a rapport.
Speaker 4: They had an energetic kind of tonal vibe going. There's
Speaker 4: a rhythm to the way that all directors make their films,
Speaker 4: and especially with someone as a student talented as Nolan is,
Speaker 4: where it's the train is just going and everybody is
Speaker 4: on board because he's so good at communicating vision. So
Speaker 4: what I do and I try to process the nerves
Speaker 4: as best I can doing all the stuff I told
Speaker 4: you early, Get up a little bit earlier, even if
Speaker 4: I have to to make sure I get in some
Speaker 4: good breath and yoga and focus and think and try
Speaker 4: and clear my mind, open my mind, try and get
Speaker 4: rid of expectations for myself, try and let go of
Speaker 4: any pre planning performative stuff, especially when it comes.
Speaker 3: To line delivery.
Speaker 4: I want to be memorized, obviously, but I really like
Speaker 4: creating voice and posture and like physicality. But I don't
Speaker 4: think it's healthy for me in the creative process to
Speaker 4: pre plan the way I'm going to say things. It
Speaker 4: just doesn't work very well for me in the final
Speaker 4: experience of it all. And then I get there and
Speaker 4: I immediately put on my if I'm able to, depending
Speaker 4: on the set and the environment, put on my like absorption,
Speaker 4: you know, cloak, which is now I'm going to start
Speaker 4: just soaking in and that means from the moment I
Speaker 4: get into like this set and meeting the base camp
Speaker 4: ads and pas, to getting into hair and makeup, where
Speaker 4: now you're going to start interacting with other actors, just
Speaker 4: being as curious as possible, asking.
Speaker 3: Questions like how's it going, Oh yeah, how are you doing?
Speaker 4: Like how's everything, trying to pick up and gleam, what's
Speaker 4: the sense that I'm getting, what's the vibe? And then
Speaker 4: and then I get to set, and luckily for me,
Speaker 4: I was not first up in the sense of I
Speaker 4: was in the scene, but I was sitting adjacent to
Speaker 4: this table where a bunch of people were conversating. So
Speaker 4: I'm just doing my best to absorb the musicality, the
Speaker 4: kind of vibe for a silly term, but like you
Speaker 4: get it like way that things are going. And I know,
Speaker 4: you can't become friends with people too quickly. It's just
Speaker 4: it's unnatural and it's weird. But you can be curious
Speaker 4: with people, you can have conversation with people. And fortunately
Speaker 4: for us, no one was going back to their trailers
Speaker 4: in between setups, and no one had their phones really
Speaker 4: around I think that was just something Chris had asked
Speaker 4: us to do, and in fact, drinking water instead of
Speaker 4: bottled waters, we were drinking water out of like period
Speaker 4: correct glasses. And we just sat around a table and
Speaker 4: spoke and listened and talked, and by the time I
Speaker 4: was ready to like engage with my first interaction with Chillan,
Speaker 4: I felt comfortable.
Speaker 3: And it was funny because if you've seen the film
Speaker 3: I'm sure most.
Speaker 4: People have, at this point, the first time I really
Speaker 4: speak to him, it's it's kind of one of those
Speaker 4: odd where I want to say so much to him,
Speaker 4: and I want to give so much to Oppenheimer and
Speaker 4: say all these things that I've experienced flying a bomber
Speaker 4: and my experience, you know, seeing the missiles that the
Speaker 4: Nazis were.
Speaker 3: Shooting at England.
Speaker 4: And I did it once and Chris seemed happy and
Speaker 4: he kind of compared. We had this moment where he
Speaker 4: was chuckling a little bit and he's like, you ever
Speaker 4: do like a Q and A after like a film screening,
Speaker 4: or like you do one of those things and then
Speaker 4: somebody one of the fans like approaches you and like
Speaker 4: just shakes your hand a little too long, like stares you.
Speaker 4: He's like, that's what you're He's like, that's what you're
Speaker 4: doing that I love. I was like, that's exactly the guy.
Speaker 1: That's great. David. Yes, Brett, I've forgotten to tell you something.
Speaker 1: Tell me.
Speaker 2: I should have told you earlier. Actually maybe when we
Speaker 2: were talking about your show. But fuck, I'll just I'm
Speaker 2: just going to tell you, and then i'll tell you.
Speaker 1: I'll say it. You've died. You're dead. Dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dead, I'm dead.
Speaker 1: You're dead. Okay, how did you die?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You get to choose.
Speaker 3: I was crushed by a giant starfish.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, so much like your character, you were crushed by
Speaker 2: a giant starface. Suddenly, did you provoke the sturface?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was trying to take over the planet and
Speaker 4: he was trying to crush the world.
Speaker 1: Wow. So you're kind of a hero.
Speaker 4: And I wanted I wanted to I wanted to protect everybody,
Speaker 4: and I have a a great fear of giant starfish.
Speaker 4: But I was willing to take him on to keep
Speaker 4: people safe. And then, motherfucking superhero.
Speaker 1: Do you worry about death? I mean you I do.
Speaker 4: Even just now when you said that, I get like, anxious,
Speaker 4: like I right now feel very no, It's okay. I
Speaker 4: have struggled with it since I was a little boy.
Speaker 4: I was, like I think I said earlier, I was
Speaker 4: raised in a religious environment where it was like, if
Speaker 4: you be a good person, if you do what we
Speaker 4: tell you to do, when you die, you're going to
Speaker 4: live in eternal bliss. If you don't do what we
Speaker 4: tell you, you're going to be cast into eternal pain
Speaker 4: and suffering. And those are your choices, which aren't choices.
Speaker 4: Then you're basically telling somebody, do what we tell you
Speaker 4: to do, or you're going to be abandoned forever into
Speaker 4: the you know, pits of.
Speaker 3: Flames of hell.
Speaker 4: And tell that to like a six year old, and
Speaker 4: see what that does to the curious mind, especially somebody
Speaker 4: who's been confronted with the concepts of things like infinity.
Speaker 4: I wrestled with it a lot, and I still do now.
Speaker 4: What's been wonderful for me? So nearly lost my life
Speaker 4: overdosed three times when I when I was in the
Speaker 4: throes of my opiate addiction. I was a heroin addict,
Speaker 4: and I was like once resurrected, resuscitated in an ambulance,
Speaker 4: once resuscitated by other junkies who just shot me up
Speaker 4: with saline and ice, and once more, I just woke
Speaker 4: up thankfully after I don't know how long I was out.
Speaker 4: I also survive pretty well as serious of a suicide.
Speaker 3: Attempt as you can imagine.
Speaker 4: And I it's a paradox because I felt like, Okay,
Speaker 4: life isn't worth living, because my presence in the world
Speaker 4: causes more suffering on other people than my absence would.
Speaker 3: So I felt in the time.
Speaker 4: You know, anyone who struggled deeply with depression, your mental illness,
Speaker 4: it's a sad, sad, sad battle because the logic that
Speaker 4: your brain says to you is stuff that's like taking
Speaker 4: another hit of that drug is the only way you're
Speaker 4: going to get through another day, which sadly just puts
Speaker 4: you in the myers a more suffering or if you
Speaker 4: just were to end your life today. Everybody that you
Speaker 4: love may be sad for a few weeks, but their
Speaker 4: ultimately their lives are going to be better off. All
Speaker 4: of this is untrue. If you're hearing this and you
Speaker 4: think that about yourself, it's a lie. It's not true,
Speaker 4: and it's a trick that this bizarre miscalculating dysfunctional function
Speaker 4: of our brain does when it actually thinks it's helping you.
Speaker 4: Because you've been wounded at some point in your life,
Speaker 4: probably when you were a kid, and it hurts so
Speaker 4: bad that the thought of feeling that way ever again
Speaker 4: is like an insurmountable concept. So you'll do anything to
Speaker 4: avoid feeling that way. And to me, sometimes feeling and
Speaker 4: thinking about death is one of those things, so I
Speaker 4: get really anxious about it. I also have this new
Speaker 4: relationship with whatever it is that is the big power
Speaker 4: that I am so fascinated by, and it's become really loving,
Speaker 4: which is really special. I've found like a new relationship
Speaker 4: with it that isn't punishment or fear based, and so
Speaker 4: I think I have new thoughts about it all the time,
Speaker 4: and I certainly have no answers or major conclusions other
Speaker 4: than and it's something beautiful.
Speaker 3: That's all I got loved.
Speaker 2: I ask you a very serious question. If you don't
Speaker 2: want to answer, it will cut me asking the question
Speaker 2: when you I did, and when you made that attempt,
Speaker 2: do you remember what it felt like at the moment
Speaker 2: of it happening, Like did you do you remember thinking
Speaker 2: oh shit, or do you or it is it?
Speaker 1: Do you not remember the feeling of it?
Speaker 3: The sad thing is.
Speaker 4: The sad thing is because I've heard people I've heard
Speaker 4: many times survivors of say bridge jumps or building jumps.
Speaker 4: When someone survives, they say as soon as they jump,
Speaker 4: they go, oh shit.
Speaker 3: I wish I hadn't done that. I didn't.
Speaker 4: I remember laying in the bathtub and watching the water
Speaker 4: turn redder and redder and redder, and thinking it's getting close,
Speaker 4: like I'm I was feeling not excited.
Speaker 3: I was very sad.
Speaker 4: But I remember thinking, like the paint like the suffering
Speaker 4: is is almost over. And I was a bit frustrated,
Speaker 4: to be honest, because when I did it, I was
Speaker 4: doing it and it is this such a sad state
Speaker 4: that my mental state was so bad that I did
Speaker 4: it in a place where I was going to be
Speaker 4: found by someone that I just didn't think that person
Speaker 4: would be home for like another day. That person ended
Speaker 4: up coming or I thought they wouldn't be back at
Speaker 4: least until much, much, much, much much later, and they
Speaker 4: ended up coming back in finding the lock door, breaking it,
Speaker 4: in getting the you know, ambulance, and then I woke
Speaker 4: up in the hospital very sorry, I was. I kept
Speaker 4: apologizing to everyone, but I also was. I was frustrated,
Speaker 4: you know. And now as I sit here today, you
Speaker 4: know I'm talking to you. I just spent this morning with,
Speaker 4: you know, two of my best friends from childhood. I
Speaker 4: have two beautiful, incredible children. I have dozens and dozens
Speaker 4: of people who I love and who love me back.
Speaker 4: I'm sitting here talking to somebody genuinely, Brett. I know
Speaker 4: I say this every time I've met you, but like like,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm like a deeply I'm a big fan of you.
Speaker 3: Like it's really like exp I'm.
Speaker 4: Sitting in an office from my weird little production company
Speaker 4: that like, I don't know, it's like it's crazy that
Speaker 4: I get to be here today considering all that that
Speaker 4: I just told you about.
Speaker 3: So again, I just say, if you're listening to this.
Speaker 4: And you feel like you feel like that that mindset
Speaker 4: I was describing makes sense to you, I promise it's
Speaker 4: not true.
Speaker 3: It is an illusion. And there is help. I just
Speaker 3: hadn't gotten to help yet. That's what's so sad. And
Speaker 3: the help that I had gotten wasn't the good.
Speaker 4: There's all kinds of help out there, and I know
Speaker 4: it's frustrating when you've gotten help and then it doesn't work,
Speaker 4: and then you're like, well, I tried, or I took
Speaker 4: this medication, or I saw a therapist.
Speaker 3: It didn't work.
Speaker 4: People, It's fucking sucks. Sometimes it's not fair, but sometimes
Speaker 4: it's like a bit roulette. The more times you spin
Speaker 4: the wheel, the more opportunities you have to find the
Speaker 4: thing that's going to work for you. So it took
Speaker 4: me a number of spins of the roulette, but finally
Speaker 4: I got the right you know, combination of you know,
Speaker 4: therapy and recovery and psychiatry and spirituality all that shit.
Speaker 3: But no, it wasn't like, oh I got out.
Speaker 4: I woke up in the hospital and all of a
Speaker 4: sudden they gave me the right pill and I said,
Speaker 4: I'm ready to be healed, and I was, you know,
Speaker 4: res saved.
Speaker 2: Well. A, firstly, thank you very much for sharing that.
Speaker 2: I really yeah, and knowing you the journey you're on
Speaker 2: now where you are in your life is amazing. You
Speaker 2: have a beautiful life and that's so lovely. And from
Speaker 2: the moment where you woke up and you were frustrated,
Speaker 2: do you have a sense of when of how long
Speaker 2: it took to start to see the first light, the
Speaker 2: first like, oh this this feeling is starting to go away.
Speaker 4: So the fur like I woke up in the hospital
Speaker 4: and then I was I didn't have insurance, and this
Speaker 4: would have been in two thousand, two thousand, the end
Speaker 4: of two thousand, going in two thousand and one. I
Speaker 4: was transferred to like a state facility, which is not
Speaker 4: the nicest facility, but there was wonderful people that worked there.
Speaker 4: You get Cuckoo's nest a bit, you know, it's like
Speaker 4: that five and there's no U. Yeah, yeah, there's no method,
Speaker 4: Christopher Lloyd. There's no method. One maintenance program for for
Speaker 4: you in the in the in the state run facility,
Speaker 4: they'll give you some aspirins and they strapped me to
Speaker 4: a cot basically to kick the drugs. And it took
Speaker 4: about ten five to ten days for I mean, just
Speaker 4: awful withdrawals. And then it really sinks in when you're like,
Speaker 4: holy shit, look at the state of my life.
Speaker 3: Look how much wreckage I've caused.
Speaker 4: Look at all the people I've harmed and stolen from
Speaker 4: and heard and lied to and dah da da da da,
Speaker 4: how am I going to ever live again?
Speaker 1: And you know.
Speaker 4: I was in there a couple of weeks and like
Speaker 4: I had a really good therapist that was talking to me,
Speaker 4: and I met some nice guys and just in the
Speaker 4: in a round. But I remember I woke up and
Speaker 4: looked up and I have three older siblings, and I
Speaker 4: woke up and I thought it was a dream, and
Speaker 4: all three of them were like looking down on me,
Speaker 4: the way that like older siblings would look down at
Speaker 4: their baby brother in the basinette. And my siblings had
Speaker 4: found out about what had happened, and they'd all flown
Speaker 4: up to Chicago to come and be there, and I
Speaker 4: felt a glimmer of hope. Some friends came and visited
Speaker 4: me and brought me McDonald's because the food was shit,
Speaker 4: and brought me some cigarettes. And I felt a glimmer
Speaker 4: of hope. And then and I just hung on to that.
Speaker 4: That something in me shifted. I had a desire to live.
Speaker 4: I felt like I tried so hard, so hard, and
Speaker 4: there's something in me that was like there's something yet
Speaker 4: to do, which sounds maybe narcissistic, like my life is
Speaker 4: so important.
Speaker 3: That there's something to do, but it just it felt
Speaker 3: that way.
Speaker 4: And by the way, if you're listening to this and
Speaker 4: you think, oh, I've been there, and then I fucked
Speaker 4: up again. I then went and moved into a rehab,
Speaker 4: went into a sober living, relapsed, lived in a car,
Speaker 4: got clean, relapsed again. I mean it took me another
Speaker 4: couple of years. I didn't take my last use until
Speaker 4: May tenth of two thousand, too. But there was a light,
Speaker 4: there was something in me that And that's when I
Speaker 4: talk about this new relationship I have with the concept
Speaker 4: of something bigger than me, which I don't see in.
Speaker 3: Like visions or in like you know, angels.
Speaker 4: What I do often see it in is in other people,
Speaker 4: which is how it manifests for me. But yeah, been
Speaker 4: there since and last year I got as close to
Speaker 4: that place as I've been in twenty three years. I'd
Speaker 4: say last spring, I was thousands of miles away from
Speaker 4: my family. I was going through an incredible disruption in
Speaker 4: my personal life. I was insanely dysregulated. Instead of drugs
Speaker 4: and alcohol for many years, I'd started to find myself
Speaker 4: dependent on others, especially like a partner, my children, even
Speaker 4: as like a source of safety and support for myself.
Speaker 4: And that was all kind of ripped away for me
Speaker 4: as my career took me places where I couldn't just
Speaker 4: take my family anymore, and I was starting to really
Speaker 4: feel disassociated from some of the long term relationships I'd
Speaker 4: been on in my life. And thankfully I got back
Speaker 4: right back into all the stuff that I do. And
Speaker 4: here I am now a year later, and I feel
Speaker 4: more hopeful and more in many ways alive than I
Speaker 4: think I ever have. And I'm gonna be fifty in
Speaker 4: a few weeks, and I feel I was like when
Speaker 4: I was a kids, Like fifty, that's so old. Oh
Speaker 4: my god, I'm never gonna feel alive at fifty, And
Speaker 4: I feel very much alive.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Man. What do you think happens when you die? Now?
Speaker 3: Then I think two things.
Speaker 4: Well, the fantasy version of it, if we get to
Speaker 4: each have like our fantasy version, which would be lovely,
Speaker 4: is like a float up or a way into some
Speaker 4: like other dimension where there's this grand cinema that's like infinite,
Speaker 4: and it's like we all hang out there together and
Speaker 4: it's all love and there's no more distinctions between us
Speaker 4: based upon silly things like race, color, creed, gender, et cetera.
Speaker 4: We're all just these you know, beings, but we're all
Speaker 4: the world one. But it'd be really cool to like
Speaker 4: watch the sorrow full sad moments and the highlight reels
Speaker 4: and the wonderful moments of like our lives almost like
Speaker 4: on a giant movie screen together and we could laugh
Speaker 4: together and then hold each other and be like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, I'm so sad you had to go through that,
Speaker 4: or oh my god, look at that awful thing I did,
Speaker 4: and why would I do that?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I had.
Speaker 4: To learn something about stuff. So that's one version that's
Speaker 4: very poetic and cinematic. I also just love the idea
Speaker 4: that the energy continues on and eventually this illusion that
Speaker 4: we've created for ourselves that we're all separate, it runs
Speaker 4: its course. It's not necessary anymore, and all that energy
Speaker 4: kind of recoagulates back into a nice little nesting ball
Speaker 4: and we get take a good couple you know, infiniti's
Speaker 4: worth of nappy, and then we get tired of that,
Speaker 4: and then we explode and wake up and big bang
Speaker 4: ourselves back into a couple infinities of playing around out
Speaker 4: here in a very Alan Watson kind of.
Speaker 3: Getting an experienced stuff. You know, I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: But if it all sounds to anybody out there like
Speaker 4: I know what the fuck I'm talking about, I do not.
Speaker 3: One thing I know for sure is I don't know shit.
Speaker 2: Well agree to disagree, So you absolutely bang on that
Speaker 2: exactly what happens. You go to heaven and its film
Speaker 2: with your favorite thing.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 3: And Reese's peanut butter cups.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're fucking every everywhere you live. The wolves are
Speaker 2: made out of recist peanut peanut butter cups. Take a
Speaker 2: fist for whatever you want to. Everyone's really excited to
Speaker 2: see you in heaven, but they want to talk to
Speaker 2: you about your life. They want to talk to you
Speaker 2: about your life through film. And the first thing they
Speaker 2: ask you is, what is the first film you remember seeing?
Speaker 2: David Dismuchi The Muppet Movie. What a fucking great first film. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the perfect first film.
Speaker 4: It's such a it's so embedded in my consciousness, going
Speaker 4: with Brian Bishop and his mother, Kathy Bishop. And not
Speaker 4: only is it the first film I remember seeing, it's
Speaker 4: the first film I remember seeing in a cinema. I
Speaker 4: mean it's probably pre school aged and sitting in the
Speaker 4: cinema and being transported seeing these disparate you know, outcasts,
Speaker 4: find each other, find friendship, go on a road trip together,
Speaker 4: have a dream, all put that dream together. And then
Speaker 4: the music, I mean, the music to this day is
Speaker 4: still very vitally important to me. Rainbow Connection. I'm going
Speaker 4: to go back there someday, the Magic Store. So then,
Speaker 4: I mean, I was so young that when at the
Speaker 4: end of the picture, when they're in the dailies in
Speaker 4: the screening room and Sweetems rips through the screen and
Speaker 4: runs into the theater with them, I thought he was
Speaker 4: in our theater.
Speaker 3: That's how young I was.
Speaker 4: Because soon after that, on like a Sunday after church,
Speaker 4: my parents took me to see Raiders the Lost Dark.
Speaker 4: And I also remember thinking that the tarantulas in the
Speaker 4: opening cave sequence were in the cinema with us. I
Speaker 4: was that that young. But for the Muppet movie, life
Speaker 4: is like a movie. We get to write our own endings.
Speaker 4: We keep believing, we keep pretending we've done just what
Speaker 4: we set out to do. I hope is the song
Speaker 4: I get to sing when I'm taking those last breaths.
Speaker 4: I feel that way, and it's a special magical film.
Speaker 2: Perfect answer. You get twenty points right off.
Speaker 3: The back, I'm a winner.
Speaker 2: What is the film that made you cry the most?
Speaker 2: Do you like crying? Are you a crier?
Speaker 4: I told you I had a bit of a crisis
Speaker 4: last year, and it was really interesting because I've never
Speaker 4: been uncomfortable with crying. I think it's healthy and it's normal,
Speaker 4: and I certainly don't have any masculinity issues around it.
Speaker 3: But I just couldn't cry the last year, which is
Speaker 3: so so strange to me. And recently, I have an
Speaker 3: eleven and an eight year old and we have a
Speaker 3: tradition we call pizza movie Night, where we watch movies
Speaker 3: and eat pizza. I mean, it's simple as that, and
Speaker 3: it's a really important part of our dynamic.
Speaker 4: And about a month or two ago, I gave them
Speaker 4: their first time seeing one of my favorite films that
Speaker 4: I would like to take with me to the other side,
Speaker 4: which is in how a hal Ashby film called Harold
Speaker 4: and Maud It. And when trouble plays and Maud is
Speaker 4: saying goodbye to Harold and he is desperately trying to
Speaker 4: hang on to something that it's time to let go of.
Speaker 4: All three of us, me and the kids, we started crying,
Speaker 4: and I and I and I cried. I remember watching
Speaker 4: I've watched that film dozens dozens of times over the
Speaker 4: years with my friends. In high school, we had a
Speaker 4: VHS copy of it. We used to take all manner
Speaker 4: of drugs and then you know, end the night by
Speaker 4: putting on Harold and Maud before dawn and you know,
Speaker 4: just liling away to all the beautiful philosophies that she
Speaker 4: evokes in that beautiful script.
Speaker 3: But like, yeah, it makes me cry pretty hard.
Speaker 1: So that was nice.
Speaker 2: Another another excellent answer. I don't usually give points, but
Speaker 2: you're already on fifty. Fuck yeah, now you like Horra.
Speaker 2: What is the film that scares you the most?
Speaker 4: Texas Chained as Occur is to me, it's a masterpiece.
Speaker 4: It's an incredible piece of cinema. Every detail, the production design,
Speaker 4: the performances, the way it's directed, the cinematography, the pacing,
Speaker 4: the writing, the camp mashed up with a burlesque body crazy,
Speaker 4: darkest kind of humor you can imagine. Then it smashes
Speaker 4: right into gritty, grizzly, visceral realness.
Speaker 3: In a way.
Speaker 4: The film that the reason I think it really fucked
Speaker 4: me up so much as a kid, and why it
Speaker 4: still gets my pulse going is that it's it's one
Speaker 4: of the films that feels wrong, Like when you watch it,
Speaker 4: you feel like I shouldn't I shouldn't be watching this.
Speaker 3: This isn't good for me.
Speaker 4: There's something so subversive in that, and Toby Hooper did
Speaker 4: such a such a service to all of us and
Speaker 4: making a film that did that.
Speaker 3: It's dangerous. It feels like a dangerous film.
Speaker 4: And it's there's other films that I can there's so
Speaker 4: many films that have scared, disturbed, shocked, horrified me. But
Speaker 4: it's it's tcm for me all the way.
Speaker 2: You know what, thinking about like it's kind of a
Speaker 2: I mean this in no way as a judgment, but
Speaker 2: just as a comparison. Like Mike flanagan films. I think
Speaker 2: the way that he makes a film is like you
Speaker 2: feel safe. He's so in control, it's such a he's
Speaker 2: so clear on tone, on everything that you go into
Speaker 2: one of his films and it's like being held. And
Speaker 2: I think Texas changed some mass good. The reason it's
Speaker 2: so horrible, I think it's a horrible film and it's
Speaker 2: because it feels unsafe. It feels like there's an element
Speaker 2: of it that feels really like, is this real? Like
Speaker 2: it feels dirty, it feels like it.
Speaker 3: Feels like people are really suffering. You get pushed into
Speaker 3: the barbed wire.
Speaker 4: And the performances he was able to get out of
Speaker 4: those those actors is just it's really inspiring. I mean,
Speaker 4: I would love to be able to make a film
Speaker 4: like that. I don't know if it's possible anymore.
Speaker 3: I don't know. In our current sensibility and the clean.
Speaker 4: Look of what cameras do now, and the way that
Speaker 4: all the information and data is absorbed by you know,
Speaker 4: cameras these days, it's just something about it, and it
Speaker 4: only gets more gruesome with time.
Speaker 3: It's such a beautiful film.
Speaker 1: What is a film that you love?
Speaker 2: Most people don't like it, it is critically not acclaimed,
Speaker 2: but you love it unconditionally. It could be one of
Speaker 2: your z's.
Speaker 3: That's a really good question.
Speaker 4: I love the films of Coffin Joe, and I don't
Speaker 4: feel like a lot of people love those. I mean,
Speaker 4: this is interesting because I guess most film people would
Speaker 4: say something like pink, flamingos or polyester is considered important cinema.
Speaker 4: But I do think if you showed it to the
Speaker 4: majority of people they'd go, this is fucked up, this
Speaker 4: is disgusting. And I think films like Polyester and Pink
Speaker 4: Flamingos are very special. I also really love like body
Speaker 4: dumb comedy like meat Balls. I think that's such a
Speaker 4: great film. I watch it with some regularity. I showed
Speaker 4: that to the kids recently. I guess that's very beloved though,
Speaker 4: isn't it. I'm trying to think of, like, what's one
Speaker 4: that people are just like, fuck this dumb movie and
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Maybe it's like the John Waters stuff or the
Speaker 3: yeah like, oh yeah, you know what am I talking about?
Speaker 3: I have you name it?
Speaker 4: At midnight I'll Possess your Corpse and Wizard of Gore
Speaker 4: and there's you.
Speaker 3: Know, children Shouldn't Play with Dead Things.
Speaker 4: And all the like the Z and Gore horror that
Speaker 4: most people wouldn't watch. But if I had my brothers
Speaker 4: every Friday night, I would get to put on a
Speaker 4: cape and make up and host like a cable access
Speaker 4: for midnight theater and get to have, you know, show
Speaker 4: people all these really bad films.
Speaker 3: I was a teenage were Wolf et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, great, what is On the other hand, the
Speaker 2: film that you used to have, but you've watched recently
Speaker 2: and you've gone, oh, I don't like this anymore, probably
Speaker 2: because you have changed.
Speaker 4: I had a really interesting, tricky experience recently watching because
Speaker 4: Halloween's a big deal to me.
Speaker 3: I love Halloween.
Speaker 4: I throw I think the best Halloween party that anyone
Speaker 4: has ever thrown or ever will throw.
Speaker 3: It's a very important special occasion for me.
Speaker 4: And several years ago for Halloween, I dressed up as
Speaker 4: ace Ventura when he's in the mental hospital in the
Speaker 4: ballerina dress, and then my partner was dressed up as
Speaker 4: Einhorn and then looking like watching it recently with the kids,
Speaker 4: I just it didn't. It didn't hit for me the
Speaker 4: way that I thought. I also found it rather transphobic
Speaker 4: and kind of like.
Speaker 3: I didn't really like I didn't get it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that was one. I think he's
Speaker 4: a genius, though I would I wish. I feel like
Speaker 4: I keep hearing that Jim has retired from acting in
Speaker 4: many regards, and that makes me sad because he's one
Speaker 4: of those people that I always thought it would be
Speaker 4: so cool to do, Like remember when he did Marlboroughman
Speaker 4: with Ewan McGregor, like when he does the like obviously,
Speaker 4: Eternal Sunshine is a classic masterpiece, but like I just
Speaker 4: always hoped and prayed i'd get a chance to get
Speaker 4: in the ring with him and do something like really
Speaker 4: really weird.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, he's very, very good. What is the
Speaker 1: film that means the most to you?
Speaker 2: Not necessarily the film itself is good, but the experience
Speaker 2: you had seeing that film will always make it meaningful
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go back to the Muppet Movie.
Speaker 1: Okay, I can always do that with me.
Speaker 3: That really changed my life.
Speaker 4: And I also think it's really important to point out
Speaker 4: the significance of Stanley Kubrick's two thousand and one, a
Speaker 4: Space Odyssey.
Speaker 3: That was a film.
Speaker 4: And I was already a big science fiction nerd and
Speaker 4: really loved comic books and genre and sci fi. I'd
Speaker 4: seen some cool stuff by the time I saw two
Speaker 4: thousand and one.
Speaker 3: But it changed me.
Speaker 4: It changed things, As the Joker says, you've changed things.
Speaker 3: It changed things. It changed my consciousness.
Speaker 4: It shifted the way I consider the possibility of what
Speaker 4: we get to do. And this is way before I
Speaker 4: ever considered that I might do this stuff professionally. It's
Speaker 4: just it changed the way I saw the human like creative.
Speaker 3: I don't know it changed me.
Speaker 2: I watched two thousand and one quite late because I
Speaker 2: knew I wanted this see it on the big screen,
Speaker 2: so I didn't. I waited until it was like on somewhere,
Speaker 2: so I only saw it maybe like ten years ago
Speaker 2: or maybe less than that. And it's fucking brilliant. And
Speaker 2: I was like pleased how brilliant it was. Like it
Speaker 2: wasn't like, oh, yeah, this has been overrated, but I
Speaker 2: didn't realize how weird it was. And also that it
Speaker 2: was made before they landed on the moon, and shit,
Speaker 2: is that right?
Speaker 1: Sixty nine?
Speaker 4: It was made in sixty nine. He or he maybe
Speaker 4: shot it in sixty eight.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, sixty seven.
Speaker 2: So the sort of vision of space. Yeah, it's fucking amazing.
Speaker 2: It's it amazing that he did.
Speaker 3: He's he's he's he's like Shakespeare.
Speaker 4: He's like one of those people in our history of
Speaker 4: humanity where you just look at the body of work
Speaker 4: and you go, that's not human. That wasn't a human being.
Speaker 4: There's no human that did that. That's impossible.
Speaker 3: You put his body of work back to back to
Speaker 3: back to back.
Speaker 4: Just do like a you know, a kubric month for
Speaker 4: yourself at some point, and it'll it'll it'll shake any
Speaker 4: illusion you ever have out of the idea that you're
Speaker 4: going to make anything really that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the film you most relate to?
Speaker 4: Film I most relate to is I think the Muppet Movie.
Speaker 4: I really feel like that movie encapsulates a lot of
Speaker 4: my thoughts and ideas about the human experience in a
Speaker 4: beautiful way. And you know, the most personal thing I
Speaker 4: probably have done yet, although I'm about to, I've got
Speaker 4: a couple of things coming soon. I wrote and acted
Speaker 4: in a film called Animals, which is deeply personal. It's
Speaker 4: not it's as much about about people's addiction to drugs
Speaker 4: as it is people's addiction to one another.
Speaker 2: And so that's that's certainly something. Yeah, that's a good answer,
Speaker 2: David Mont. You and this is the reason people come
Speaker 2: to this podcast. What's the sexiest film you've ever seen?
Speaker 3: The sexiest film?
Speaker 4: Like, the film that like just turned me on in
Speaker 4: every way is God. There's so many I love second
Speaker 4: and sensuality and films and cinema. I'd say The Hunger, Yes,
Speaker 4: that's a.
Speaker 3: Really special film.
Speaker 4: And the way it evokes eroticism to me as a
Speaker 4: kid was very hot when I was like a lot
Speaker 4: of this.
Speaker 3: Stuff is what set us in motion as sexual beings.
Speaker 4: Anyway, A lot of the visual stimulation we took, obviously,
Speaker 4: the psychology of our childhoods and who we are born
Speaker 4: biologically and just how we were constructed shapes that stuff.
Speaker 4: But I do think movies have a profound effect on
Speaker 4: what turns us on. And I remember seeing Jess Franco's
Speaker 4: Vampiris Lesbos as a kid and being like, oh, sexy
Speaker 4: vampire women, and like the three brides of Dracula, and
Speaker 4: in the way that they're they're portrayed in Francis Ford
Speaker 4: Coppola's Bromstokers Dracula. That really got me going as a kid,
Speaker 4: and then as an adult it's still you know, I
Speaker 4: love so much of that stuff, certainly stuff.
Speaker 3: That exists outside the boundaries of.
Speaker 4: Mononormative stuff and the way it's portrayed in cinema. I
Speaker 4: remember I was too young to watch, but I somehow
Speaker 4: has managed to get my hands on a copy of
Speaker 4: Henry in June about Henry and June Miller starring an
Speaker 4: incredible cast doesn't have it but like there.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh, oh god, that was that was a going.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I keep going. I love that subject. It's a
Speaker 3: great subject.
Speaker 4: Angel Heart really turned.
Speaker 3: Me on as a kid. That was super hot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a subcategory traveling boners, worrying Why Dunes, the
Speaker 2: film you found a rising that you went or you shit?
Speaker 4: For sure, I think that when I was like, these
Speaker 4: are all things, it was like I was so young
Speaker 4: seeing all of the year like the Friday the Thirteenth
Speaker 4: movies where you'd see the boobs and then the violence
Speaker 4: would come right after. It was really troubling to me
Speaker 4: as a kid. Halloween has like a hot, sexy makeout
Speaker 4: moment and then all of a sudden, it's you know,
Speaker 4: choking and murder, and that was It was confusing for
Speaker 4: me and distressing.
Speaker 2: I was your upbringing. It's like, yeah, the proof of
Speaker 2: what you've been to is like this leads to this.
Speaker 4: I was so incredibly turned on as a little boy
Speaker 4: watching Blade Runner and the characters of PRIs and some
Speaker 4: of the other replicants. There was something about them, the
Speaker 4: makeups and the designs and stuff that was so hot
Speaker 4: for me. And I felt guilty about it for sure.
Speaker 4: Felt really like that was a trick. Those were all
Speaker 4: really tricky, you know, It's all It's always tricky. Sex
Speaker 4: will always be tricky for me and with me because
Speaker 4: of the programming that I was, you know, plugged into
Speaker 4: as a kid, but also because I just I kind
Speaker 4: of my identity. As the older I get, the more
Speaker 4: I kind of start to like really it continues to
Speaker 4: take its own shape and it continues to change, and
Speaker 4: so like what turns me on, what I'm at, who
Speaker 4: I'm attracted to, all that stuff is.
Speaker 3: Like for me, pretty fluid and.
Speaker 4: It and it always comes with a good healthy dose
Speaker 4: of like weird guilt and shame that I want to
Speaker 4: use cinema to work through as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: What is objectively the greatest film ever made might not
Speaker 2: be your favorite, but it is the pinnacle of all cinema.
Speaker 3: It's a tie to me, okay, and it is.
Speaker 4: I go back to two thousand and one A Space
Speaker 4: Odyssey and Citizen Kane. When I watch both of those films,
Speaker 4: the reason I maybe I'm gonna give Kane the edge
Speaker 4: is because one yeah, okay, okay, okay, I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna commit I'm gonna say, Citizen Kane,
Speaker 4: the performance he's directing himself. I just directed myself this
Speaker 4: week for the first time ever, sitting at Video Village,
Speaker 4: and I was dressed as a full on Bigfoot and
Speaker 4: I'm sitting in dressed in a full bigfoot costume, trying
Speaker 4: to deliver performance notes and give lighting, you know, input
Speaker 4: in camera notes.
Speaker 3: Was out of control, ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Imagine the time, the effort, the vision, the execution that
Speaker 4: he was able to put into constructing, executing making that film.
Speaker 4: It's more than mind boggling. I just watch it every
Speaker 4: few years and I'm like, how the fuck did one
Speaker 4: human being have the.
Speaker 3: Power to manifest this?
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 3: What's yours?
Speaker 2: I think the greatest? My greatest is Don't Live Now. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 2: Susanka ain't wrong, you't know wrong. What is the film
Speaker 2: you could or have? What's the most? Over and over again, it's.
Speaker 4: A tie between Harold and Maud and Screw.
Speaker 3: When I was a kid, I just I loved Scrooged.
Speaker 4: I watched it over and over and over again, and
Speaker 4: then in the years since, I do have a number
Speaker 4: of comfort films, though Texas Chainsaws one of them, have
Speaker 4: certainly watched a lot of like House on Haunted Hill.
Speaker 4: The Haunting the Tingler, for some reason, is one of
Speaker 4: those old William Castle films that I've seen too many times.
Speaker 4: Any Yeah, but I think it's somewhere between the Probably
Speaker 4: probably Harold and Mod would edgit out, just because there
Speaker 4: was so many nights in high school that we would
Speaker 4: end our night in some parents' basement passing out and
Speaker 4: we popped. We always had our copy of Harold and
Speaker 4: maudda pop and it just it was like there was
Speaker 4: so many mantras in there for us.
Speaker 1: What's the worst film you've ever seen?
Speaker 4: Worst film I've ever seen was I'm sorry that I'm
Speaker 4: going to splank on the name for a second, but
Speaker 4: it was one of the.
Speaker 3: Larry the Cable Guy movies, and it was just riddled with.
Speaker 4: Like Islamophobia and like bad jill and terrible performance. And
Speaker 4: it was such a sad experience to watch because they
Speaker 4: had like this really amazing actor in it, and I
Speaker 4: remember thinking like that may happen to me.
Speaker 3: Someday.
Speaker 4: It may be like a really like you know, I
Speaker 4: might end up like doing something like that and it
Speaker 4: would break my heart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the film that made you laugh the most.
Speaker 4: When I was a little boy, I snuck into the
Speaker 4: theater and I saw Tom Hanks and Bachelor Party, and
Speaker 4: I laughed so hard. I fell out of my chair,
Speaker 4: like peeing, laughing so hard, especially when the guy who's
Speaker 4: spying on the bachelor party falls from the window and
Speaker 4: then his butt cheeks are in the like moon roof
Speaker 4: of the car.
Speaker 3: That made me laugh really really hard, so hard.
Speaker 4: I yeah, I split a seam and that's up there.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the first time I didn't. I
Speaker 4: wasn't familiar with Sasha Baron Khan, and I remember going
Speaker 4: to the cinema because everyone was talking about Bora Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I didn't see it coming.
Speaker 3: It just took me.
Speaker 4: It took me out of my I mean, I like levitated.
Speaker 4: I was laughing and so uncomfortable. It made me so
Speaker 4: deeply uncomfortable. That was one of those weird things that
Speaker 4: felt like this is subversity on another level. And I
Speaker 4: haven't gone back to it in a long time, so
Speaker 4: I don't know how that would affect me today, but
Speaker 4: it really fucked me up as funny as shit.
Speaker 2: You've been really wonderful, thanks Brett. However, when a giant
Speaker 2: starfist was trying to crush the planet, and you thought,
Speaker 2: but I care, I care about people, I care about
Speaker 2: the future of this planet.
Speaker 1: I must save them.
Speaker 2: And you stood in the way of this giant stuffas
Speaker 2: and it crushed you to death, and all your organs
Speaker 2: splashed together. And I was walking past me the coffee
Speaker 2: and I guess anyone's seen David desmoted, And I said,
Speaker 2: I think it was he just saved the world, man,
Speaker 2: David spot it really Yeah, he's over there. And I
Speaker 2: look over and You're like, you look like tarmac, you
Speaker 2: know that time. I'm like fucking I was like, guys,
Speaker 2: we got to give me a hand here. So we
Speaker 2: get like diggers. We have to dig up the road
Speaker 2: just to get you. But there's chunks of you know,
Speaker 2: cement everything. Anyway, I've only to stuff you in the coffin.
Speaker 2: The coffin's rammed. You wouldn't be able to do on
Speaker 2: any repisodes of great conversations in this coffin.
Speaker 1: There's no room.
Speaker 2: There's only enough room in this coffin for me to
Speaker 2: slip one DVD for you to take across to the
Speaker 2: other side. And on the other side this movie night
Speaker 2: every night, what film are you taking to show the
Speaker 2: people of Heaven Reese's Peanut butter Cups in Heaven?
Speaker 3: David, this morning, go the Muppet Movie.
Speaker 2: You are welcome there. They are going to be so
Speaker 2: fucking happy. David Dispoting. Tell people what they should be
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Speaker 4: Please thank you, Brett. I hope everybody out there enjoyed
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Speaker 1: Thank you than.
Speaker 2: Well, an absolute joy. I have really enjoyed this. Thank
Speaker 2: you very much for spending your time with me. And
Speaker 2: happy fiftieth birthday.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Brett, thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm
Speaker 4: going to take my friends to go see a play
Speaker 4: now what a crewshment? I know?
Speaker 3: So thank you, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Good day.
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