WEBVTT - MATT AND STACK ON TALKIN' SMACK AND THEIR NBA EXPERIENCE 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.200 Jamal Charlos says evils to be the king of the 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:27.720 Jumala and kam Jamal Charlot versus Dennis Hogan for the 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:43.360 middleweight championship on Showtime. Picture this late night. I'm riding 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:48.360 down a dark street and it's two naked chicks, right, 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:55.080 It's two naked chicks running down the street. One is 0:00:55.080 --> 0:01:00.240 the x Miss Universe, the other is ex Miss America. 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.480 It's a dark night. They're running down the street naked. 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:06.600 I don't know why I'm down the street, but I 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.920 was smoking and I made a wrong turn. I stopped 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:14.000 and can you help us? Help us? I'm like, fuck, yeah, 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.800 help y'all. Y'all naked, y'all, big ass titis and ship 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:22.119 get in going. Uh. I get to start the driving, 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:23.800 I get the accident, Like what the wa y'are running from? 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:25.400 You know, because you know, you see my fucker's running, 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:27.880 you just start running too. So I just hit the gas, 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:30.000 you know. But it's it's hard for me to not 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.720 think that these motherfucker's neck it in the back seat, right, 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:36.200 So why I'm driving, I'm getting the boner, right, So 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:37.800 I'm trying to focus, you know, I don't know what 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.199 they're running from. All I'm thinking now is I'm getting 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.119 laid Okay, Damn what they're running from? Damn who gonna 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:44.840 kill us? At least I'm gonna get one off when 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.120 we die, right. So that's how I wanted to paint 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:57.120 the story like that picture right there. Oh yeah, we could. 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.120 We could have started the show with that ship the 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:13.240 character right there. Uh. Episode seven, all the smoke, Welcome back, 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:18.200 my bren in mine, what's up my brother? This episode, 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:22.000 we're gonna go in depth into me and uh Jack's 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.160 crazy journey through the NBA, tell some personal stories, some up, 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.840 some downs, and uh, I hope you guys enjoy it. 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:31.800 So today we're gonna talk about the last of a 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.760 dying bree, which was trash talking in the NBA. Me 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:36.640 and Jack caught the end of it. We missed the 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.760 greats like Gary Payton and guys like that that really 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:41.840 got in your face and really talk ship. Jack liked 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:43.680 to talk ship. He got a big Matthew like to talk. 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:45.639 I wasn't really someone that talked. I kind of ruled 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.480 a retaliator. But um, you got a dope story about 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.640 you and Kobe going at it and how your team 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.040 ended their quest for a four peak. I was known 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.400 to trash talk. You know, that's one one of my 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:59.560 best assets, because not that's in times a guy gonna 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:01.760 fighting the game, Okay, they don't want to fight. For 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:03.840 all y'all to watch NBA games. Half of them guys 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.639 do up a TV. They wouldn't throw a punch and 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.560 wouldn't bust a graping the fruit fight. Okay, So do 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.360 not think they want to fight us off a TV. 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:13.679 So I knew that at times, and you know what 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:15.519 I'm saying, I really pushed them, you know, push the 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.160 envelope because I knew I was ready to go, but 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:19.639 I knew that was so sometimes that got me eight 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:21.720 to ten points just punking the motherfucker. You know what 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.440 I'm saying. We used to pup motherfucker's that we believed 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.040 that that's that's a part of the game. And we 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.160 see that you're scared, we're gonna take advantage of it, right. 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:30.720 So I used to do that to a lot of people, 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:32.720 and I was I was always talking even want the 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:36.920 trash talk Award the Big Three, which nothing, but I remember, 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.920 you know, playing against Kobe Man. Kobe's to talk trash, 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:41.800 but It's hard to kind of go back and forth 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:43.560 with him, not only because he shoot a lot. He's 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:47.440 making the motherfucker's and you don't get that many attempts. 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:49.880 So I got I finally got a post up on him, 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:51.160 you know, and I got the ball on the post. 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:52.840 I'm backing them down, you know. I'm looking at them 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:56.240 like little nigga, not for them, you know, I'm looking 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:58.480 at him hitting with the shoulder. I turned around and 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:02.680 shoot it. He just why whole arm off right the referee. 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:04.600 I'm on the baseline the referee, So I turned look 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:06.760 at the referee. Kobe takes off with the ball. I'm like, 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.400 what the fuck? So I'm talking to the referee, arguing 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.480 with him, and um, as I'm talking to the ref 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.280 Kobe is saying something to me like you better pay 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.120 attend you like you know what I'm saying all that 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.760 because I started saying something to Kobe to about hacking 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:21.919 as you know what I'm saying. So as I'm talking 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.599 to referee, Kobe shoots like ten ft from the three 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:29.240 point line net and gives me on the smug like 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:30.760 look at me, and then the referee look at me 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.839 like like he on Kobe side. You know what I'm saying, 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:35.400 Kobe just run down the court just talking to me 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:37.320 like I'm a kid, and next thing, you know, Pop 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.159 this subbed me out of the game. So I'm on 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.200 the sideline looking like I just a bump, you know 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.720 what I mean, Like Kobe. Want one thing about Kobe, 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.719 he gonna talk to you, and he gonna get every 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:47.720 shot and you're not gonna get the same amount of 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.880 attempts him. You know what I mean, Kobe. People don't 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.360 know Kobe talk a lot of trash. Bro It might 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:55.320 not be cursed words, might be nothing like that, but 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.000 it's just what he gonna do to you. And he'll 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.000 tell you before he do it, and he'll still do it. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:01.720 You're still doing you can do to stop. I mean, 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.000 my ship too, was our ship was a little bit 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.400 of back and forth talking that situation in Orlando with 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:09.880 the ball fake, but it was more the grabbing the elbow. Win. 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:12.039 I caught a tip dunk that he tried to block 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:13.760 the white shot and he left me open and I 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:15.560 went and tip junk and I was coming off the 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:17.599 rim and motherfucker tried to elbow me in my nuts. 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:19.239 So it just came to a point, like you said, 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:21.120 where he found you right in front the refs, and 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.320 the refs act like that motherfucking Ray Charles at the time, 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.200 like bitch, you know you motherfucking saw that, right. So 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.800 he came to a point in Orlando where he was 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.200 doing all this dirty ship and I would get caught retaliating, 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:35.520 So I gotta I got one t But it's bullshit, 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:37.240 like you said, because you gotta do everything you can 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.479 to stop him, knowing god, damn well, I know in 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.800 my situation, he took like thirty shots that game, you 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:45.880 know what I mean, Like six games to get thirty shots, 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.240 you know what I mean. So it was tough, but 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.280 badly him was always fun. But I used to tell 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.440 people guarding him, he tries to mentally fuck you too, 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:55.960 because physically, you know, there's not much you could do 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:57.760 with him, but he tries to get that mental battle too, 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:02.120 whether it's talking ship elbow and you getting you know, 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.960 the pump faking you eighteen times and then you jump 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:08.080 and he barely slit, you know, slides against you, and 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:11.320 the ref cause of foul. So it was a motherfucking battle, 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.640 just like I said. But that was my favorite whenever 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:15.280 I played I was just like, hell, yeah, I get 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:16.800 to play Code tonight. You know what I mean. And 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:18.799 my whole thing is, you're not gonna start great offense 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:20.640 with good defense regardless. You just want to make him 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:22.880 work for everything. It difficult on make him work. You know, 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.080 no easy no, no easy layups. You go to the 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:26.640 basket and my father ship, I'm not giving you no 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.400 easy layups. I'm gonna make you work for everything. And 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:31.240 if you make, if you make, if you even know 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.159 having thirty points, I want you to take thirty shots. 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:34.560 You remember we go to State when we men and 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.160 him was going back to back and three going in 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.640 the game and we beat him. Yeah, you were talking 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.440 to he was looking like man when he came out Tobody. 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:43.000 He was hitting some crazy shots at the end of 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.560 that game, sick. So you briefly touched on it. I 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.760 mean amongst that ship talking and back and forth between 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.760 you and Code, you guys ended their streak for four 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:51.880 in a row in San Antonio. That's when you got 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.039 your first rink. Yeah, I mean there was the dominant team. 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.360 Nobody wanted to play the Lake because nobody then been 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.880 dominant over the Spurs. Definitely Tim and Dave couldn't couldn't 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:01.760 get over that hump. I know they won that bullshit 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:06.000 championship of the Spurs did, but yeah, that short season, 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:09.080 but the Lakers, they couldn't get past the Lakers that year. 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.119 It was basically guaranteed that they was gonna win again. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.000 We had kind of struggled with them during a regular 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.000 season because Kobe and Shock were just a little bit 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.600 too much. But I think Tim had it in his 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.800 mind no matter what, no matter who was on the court, 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.280 I'm gonna be the best player from game one think 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.320 the first game he had like a twenty and twenty 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.160 like he was. That was his like standard the whole series, 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.640 and he made it a point to guard Shock to 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.760 the point where he was playing so well. Kevin Willis 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.120 was coming off the off the bench, getting tip dunks 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.840 and you know, blocking Shock shot, you know, so he 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.520 I think just having Tim Duggan where his mind was, 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:44.160 that was the only reason we was able to stop 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.680 there for Pete, you know, and to see Kobe and 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.640 Shocking them over there crying and you know, Derek fishing 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:51.760 them over the crime. It was a good feeling, bro 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:56.080 because that was my first year that I actually felt 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:57.440 like I was in the league. You know what I'm saying, 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.440 Like I belong and I had it, and you know, 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:01.320 being on a on a chance to win a championship 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.440 that was specially to stop them too, That's what's up. 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:05.560 But you know it was crazy for me because I 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:08.880 had always battle code, you know, even dating back to 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:10.920 when he first came to l A. He used to 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.200 come up to U C. L A and play and 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.240 you know what I mean. But then to be able to, 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:17.680 you know, have to someone that I looked up to 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:22.040 so much and loved competing against, competing with it was amazing. 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:23.760 And my first year there was we were going for 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.920 their second three pet um, but I ended up tearing 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:30.640 my meniscus. I want to say in February, I think 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.200 that year, uh, and that's the year they that we 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.880 got swept by Dallas and I think they beat Dallas 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.680 beat Miami um in the in the finals. But like 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.199 I said, getting a chance to play with him and 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:46.280 seeing his day and day out preparation, um, how hard 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.400 he worked on his game, getting up in the morning 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.280 and hitting the track in the weights, and I mean, 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.680 like it's still dark outside type ship like he was 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.000 just I say, like an evil genius, you mean, like 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:58.480 a beautiful mind. Like he was so obsessed with being 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.920 the best, and but he put the work into so 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.560 it was just amazing to be able to, you know, 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.960 say that I battled to me against the second greatest 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.200 player of all time. And then I was actually a 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.080 teammate with him for a little while too. That ship 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:14.760 was dope, man. Like I said, I learned a lot. 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.200 He wasn't wasn't someone who was very like a vocal 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.959 He was the leader, but he wasn't one of those 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.199 yelling all the time vocally. That it was a situation 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.600 when he spoke, you listened, and then he would just 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.040 keep you that motherfucking look you know what I mean, 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.079 or that I mean, you know, you gotta pass to 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:30.640 him when he when he gives you his little mom 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:33.839 but his like you know, he's open. But it was 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:35.840 really it was just, you know, lead by example. If 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:37.600 your best player is gonna go out there every single 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.720 night and leave it all out there, there's no excuse 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:42.360 for no one else not to. I didn't didn't get 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:43.880 a chance to play with him, but I got just 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:48.360 played with him when McDonald's All American game, and just 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.760 his presence was was like it is now, the different 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.640 energy when he walked in practice. As a sevent eight 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.360 t old when he walked in practice, we all felt 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.520 it like he was the next thing, the next big 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:01.920 stag um, and he was that good. But it was 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:04.319 just I was excited to be on his team in 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.440 McDonald's game because I knew how, you know, the the 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:09.600 ceiling they had for him, and should he reached all 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:16.440 those expectations. Hell of a run, man. So we're talking 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.800 about experiences, you know, and and and the game and 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.160 and and our experiences, our history of the game, and 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:26.200 talk about being on the wrong side of history. You 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.400 were a part of a team that everybody thought was 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.319 gonna be a championship team, even you know, the guys 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:33.040 that was in the league that played against y'all just 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.360 knew y'all was on your way to championship. Y'all were 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:39.559 real close. Y'all were three one against the Rockets, and 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.199 everything went downhill with the team y'all had tell me 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.560 about that. That was an interesting series. That was our 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.160 Live City team, very talented team, but for some reason 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:49.960 or another, we just couldn't get over the hump. But 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:52.319 we really felt like this two thousand and fifteen season 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:55.400 was the year we beat San Antonio in a in 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.800 a crazy back and forth seven game series. Just roster 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.920 our rosters. Who was it? It was cp J J 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:07.319 me Blake d J. We had big Baby off the bench, 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:12.000 reigning six man Jamal Crawford hit Turkoloo Spencer has well, 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.200 how did you off the church money? I don't know, man, 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:15.760 but it was back to that. I think it was 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:20.480 game game five. We were up a lot and they 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.679 bench James. So we're thinking, ship, Okay, we're done. We're 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:25.800 about to play the wards in the next round. But 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.480 all of a sudden, they're bench led by Josh Smith. 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:33.080 Beat the fucking breaks off us just hitting threes transition. 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.280 They completely snatched the air at a at a stable center. 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:40.120 James moving crazy crazy on his hitting threes. Duncan he 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:41.920 just led the bench. Like I said, Ja, they had 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:45.079 bench James. So we figured, okay, you know, I can't wait. 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:46.800 We're gonna home and play Golden State to see who 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.000 goes to the finals. And uh, they came back beat 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.120 us in that game, game five, game six, in game seven, 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:56.640 we didn't stay in the chance. Really, they just they 0:11:56.720 --> 0:12:00.480 handed it to us and like what change, Like I 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:02.880 don't know, just that big word, that word momentum. It 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.720 was just the momentum shifting. It was almost like there 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:07.760 was nothing to do, nothing we could do to get 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.319 it back. In Game seven, they closed it out, um 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:14.320 and they were big guys up three one, and they 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:16.440 came back and swept us. You mean, basically we were 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.360 at three one and got sweat Which was crazy too 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.080 because that's the year Golden State won their first championship. 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.000 But if you take it back the year before that 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:24.960 two thousand and four team, we were the last team 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:26.760 and knocked them out, you know what I mean. We 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:28.680 knew they were going to be something to reckon with. 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.200 We just you know, still thought we had the upper 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.320 hand on them. So everyone was expecting that Clippers Golden 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.160 State Western Conference Finals and you know, the winner was 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.000 going to play Lebron Houston took him that too. They battled, 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.040 They definitely battled, you know what I mean. But you know, 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:44.480 Golden State got over the hump and then uh, you know, 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.600 that was the beginning of their run. But definitely just 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:49.840 to missed opportunity with that Lobs City team as a whole. 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:52.160 It was the locker room like after was walking to locker. 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.240 I know everybody was sick, sick, dad lost your dog. 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.240 It was it was girl friend found your bad phone. 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.880 Oh that's film. That's a horrible that's man like when 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:04.760 you see the lights in your review from the cop 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.360 and your your motherfucking stomach just goes to the bottom 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:13.680 of your stuff so you can't. Oh man, that's the 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:15.480 hell of a feeling. Bro. I had to swallow one 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:19.680 one time. It wasn't that big, but had to. Yeah. 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:25.840 I mean it's like it's like it's just tasted, disgusting tasting. 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:28.839 But anyway, Yeah, like I said, it was just a 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.160 missed opportunity for that team. We felt like we had 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.400 so much talent, but that I just really feel our weakness, 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:37.920 our kryptonite wasn't was ourselves. You know, we kept getting 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.800 in our way. You know, some guys butted heads and 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.040 and the chemistry wasn't what it should be. But when 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.439 the chemistry was on, it was magical. But was crazy. 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:48.000 What tripped me out about that team is we were 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.839 so close off the court, Like we all can't think 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.040 having a coach's son on the team had anything to 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.320 do with it. I mean, that was an interesting experience 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.680 dynamic to have him come to the team. But he 0:13:57.679 --> 0:13:59.719 played well for us, to be honest with you, he 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.680 played if well forced in the playoffs. I think it 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.280 was a little interesting for him to get there. You 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.080 know what I mean for a father's son dynamic, because 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:07.400 I know a lot of us on the team we're 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:11.000 pulling for Nate Robinson to get signed um and they 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.480 ultimately you know, wanted to at that time. If you 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.200 wait the Austin was already on the team, but we 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.560 were trying to get Nate because I'm saying as players, 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.360 if you look at them, Nate come on, Nate by far. 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.160 But like I said, Austin came in and play well, 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:25.640 and I kind of think that's when he put himself 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:27.360 on the map. But I definitely think if there was 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:31.360 a little bit of awkwardness um when he first came. 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.840 But you know, with any situation, I'm sure father's son 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.040 would be awkward. Like as much as I love my son, 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.600 I wouldn't say I wouldn't give him the opportunity, but 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.960 I would rather them earn it. Yeah, I'm not saying 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:42.880 Austin don't deserve to be an NBA. What I'm saying 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:44.640 is I know his daddy game is a big contract. 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:46.640 So you know what I'm saying, I'm I'm not saying 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:48.440 if I was in that position, I probably would too, 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.880 but I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't want to have 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.480 my players look at me a different way. I think 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:55.880 I'm sure I'm doing you know what. It was just 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.800 about winning and keep one. There was an awkwardness, you 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:01.000 know what I mean. And that's back when you know 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:02.560 Doc had a lot of the power, you know what 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.280 I mean, If I wasn't if I'm not mistaken, he 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.040 was like president GM and head coach, you know what 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:09.920 I mean. So that's a lot of different hats to wear. 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.600 And I'm gonna sign my son third got That was 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.880 really kind of the unrattling of that team, you know 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:17.720 what I mean. I got into him with that season. 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.120 So I was motherfucking traded at twelve oh one in 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:24.960 the a M. East Coast time. I was the first trade, um, 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.680 you know, and then the pieces just started falling. I 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:32.760 think j J left next, then Jamal left, cool JJS. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.520 Cool J was someone I didn't like until I play 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:37.600 with and that I love JJ. He's the reason that 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:38.960 I did. I tell you this. He's the reason why 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.200 why I got rid of all my ice style watches. 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.480 Was he because he came in there one day, would 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.720 have watched just playing looking watch and it was one 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.600 of the most expensive watches, one of the most nicest 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:50.720 watch ever, and he told me what my watch was 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.720 really worth. I stopped wearing. I stop watches. He respectfully 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:57.080 just shot on your watch, shut me down, laughing at me, 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:58.520 you know what I'm saying, but giving me a game 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.320 at the same time, shout out j just cooler ship. 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.040 But I just think there was you know, and when 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.520 I talked to guys on their way out, you know, 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:07.720 there was just a lot of grumbling, and like I said, 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.440 I think it had a lot to do with all 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.640 the hats Doc was wearing. But I think that's where, 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.560 you know, they're back on top now with you know, 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.360 with the chance to win a championship. And I think 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.680 it's good because now they have management in place and 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.560 gems and play some presidents in place, and Doc can 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.560 do what he does best. Doc is a great coach, 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.280 some hell of assistant coaches around, the great supporting cast, 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.400 but just a great motivator. You know, a coach that's 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.240 been a player and had a successful career in as 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.400 a player. So he understands us and understands what's more important, 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.760 and he understands that the games are more important than practice. 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.320 And he really caters to his guys, and he's big 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:51.280 on sleep. So Doc hands yeah, dr doct yeah hands 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:55.040 so uh but just see, I definitely just a missed opportunity. 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.440 I feel that was like kind of my one. Damn, 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.200 what the funk are we thinking? Like when I look 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:00.960 back on my career, there's no way that we shouldn't 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:07.119 have won at least one championship with that team. So 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.560 round to your second go round with the Spurs first. 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.960 When you win the championship, contract negotiations don't go how 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.280 you want them to go. You choose to keep it pushing. 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.160 Get traded back there. In two thousand and twelve from 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:23.200 Milwaukee up to one. We have to one against Okay, 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.639 up too, oh against Okay. See, let you tell it. 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:29.560 Tony Park was going for m v P. Yeah, I 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.359 mean you know, things were going smooth. We were playing 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:35.840 together the first two games of that series. Um, we're 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.439 at San Antonio, we go up to Oh, everybody's happy. Uh, 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:43.920 I think me and Kauai. We're playing decent defense on 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.200 Katie and James. You know, we were kind of holding 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.920 them down. Ship just went south. We get we get 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:52.680 to game three and Tony Parker basically stopped trusting us. 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:56.080 He was making real late passes and give James hard 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.320 and credit. He just turned it up. He went crazy, 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.480 you know, he went crazy in some games, and Katie 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.439 was solid that. Katie was the best player, you know, 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.600 on the floor almost every night. But we took him 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:08.000 to game six after after they won three in a row. 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.040 We in game six and you can listen to the announcers, 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.240 Tony Parker has Stephen Jackson wide open. Tony Parker miss 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:16.520 Stephen Jackson again, like it's so obvious. During the course 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:18.480 of the the year, you hear announced to say this, like 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.480 I knew it, but people didn't. People didn't want to 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.840 address Tony looking me off. So well, I mean, what happened, 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:25.520 you know, I mean what what what was the disconnect 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:29.119 with Well? I think I just think he became real selfish. 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.080 You know, Um, Tim was slowing down. He felt like 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.400 he had to do more, but that wasn't the case. 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.840 You nobody was still good. You had Kauai coming into 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.280 his own. I was still be able to knock downshot. 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.960 So I think he stopped trusting us, you know. I 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:46.119 I even remember after game six, I'm sitting on the 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.640 floor man Kauai, sitting side by side, and Tim came 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:50.200 put his hand on over because you know, we played 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.240 our ass off and they know that Tony was forcing ship. 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:54.840 And I can show you on film. You know what 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.480 I'm saying. It's it's it's right, it's documented. But I 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:00.560 remember setting the locker room and and Pop came in 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:02.280 locker room and put his hand on on my should 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.399 when men come over swire days, like we did everything 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:07.000 we could. We just didn't trust each other. He didn't 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:09.840 want to say Tony didn't trust us. We that's you 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:11.359 know what I'm saying. But we all knew when he 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.440 said that. We all knew, you know what I mean. 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:15.680 And I could have had another championship. I could have 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:19.320 had another another championship. Man. That year, we was two 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:20.840 games away from making it to the finals, and we 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:22.760 was gonna win that ship. So okay. So he eventually 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:24.879 lost to Miami right in the finals. Yeah, okay. So 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.760 following season two thousand, thirteen, fifty five games in the 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:32.320 season right before really not playing. He throw me in 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:34.760 their garbage minutes and you know, throwing me in and out, 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.240 you know, and what what people don't know, Matt and 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.840 you know this, And they was doing this to Carmelo. 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:43.439 I'm not saying I'm on Carmelo level, but scores and 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:45.720 guys that play off rhythm and stuff. You can't throw 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.320 them in four minutes in the third quarter and expect 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.560 him to do an instant spark. You can't throw them 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:52.840 in two minutes in the fourth quarter to expect them 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.080 to throw an instant spark like always be ready and 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:57.040 expect him to come out and play. Well, that's the 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:59.600 situations they throw you in to make you look like 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.040 k play. This is what they did Mellow and got 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.240 him out the way. So Papa was doing that to 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:06.480 me the whole season. You know, he'll throw me in there. 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:08.480 You know, I never know when I'm gonna play, you know. 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:10.800 And it was different from the year before. You know, 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:12.800 I just came off playing well on the finals and 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.480 the West Corfence Finals. So he was doing that all 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:17.760 year and I didn't understand, you know why I wasn't 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:19.600 just getting an opportunity to play. I was playing great 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:22.360 and practice. I was busting my teammates ass and practice. 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:24.480 You know what I'm saying. You can ask Kauai. They'll 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.800 tell you. I had no reason not to be playing 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.000 the way he was playing. Man, the spracery was playing me. 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.560 I couldn't play my best best basketball because I was 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.040 I'm a really guy, you know what I mean, And 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:35.480 it didn't look good for a while. Who were you 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:37.520 playing behind at the time. That was a young Kauai, 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:43.120 Danny Green and back. I'm playing behind all of them. 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:44.440 I remember you hit me on the bus where he 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:46.119 was in New Orleans and I've seen you and just 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.320 got released. I'm like, what the fun the playoffs? Yeah, 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:51.200 you know that ship was crazy. Man. I remember coming 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:53.720 out of practice. I had a great practice. You know 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:56.359 how I practice. If I hit a three on somebody, bitch, 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:58.840 you know what I'm saying, But it ain't personal. You 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:01.080 know what I'm saying, Get your grass up, That's how 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:04.240 I'm talking. I'm probably the only person in Spurs history 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:07.199 that practice like that. You know, maybe Mario Elio or 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:08.640 somebody like that. You know what I'm saying. But I'm 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:10.920 the only one in Spurs history that practice like that 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:14.159 Tim was. Tim loved it. Tim Duncan loved it. He 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:15.760 loved the way I played and all that. You know 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:18.399 what I'm saying. It's scared people. At the time we 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:20.000 had a point going on team. His last name was 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:21.960 the Coola. He loved me, you know what I mean. 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:24.240 But I hit a shot on him for for game 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:27.280 win at practice like get a bit and pop like 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:29.680 I saw that. He didn't say nothing, but I saw 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.199 his face like come on, Jack, like, but this is 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:34.919 how I played. I wasn't playing much, so my games 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.199 was practices, you know what I mean. And it's just 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:39.480 how I played. So I'm walking in the locker room. 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:40.920 You know, I remember having I'm having a great I'm 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:44.280 feeling good. You know, Tim coming and mask like great practice. 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:46.080 And as I'm in the locker room, one of the 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.159 trainers coming like Pop want to talk to you in 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:50.560 the film room. That's like getting called to the principles. 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:52.880 But I'm not feeling that. I'm thinking he's Ben telling 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:55.400 me great practice is going. I'm gonna play like get 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:57.280 your ship together, you know what I'm saying. That's what 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.520 I'm thinking. I go in there soon as I going, 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.160 I see his face killed my whole moved. I want 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:05.120 to just kick him in his face. When I saw 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:06.600 his face, I just wanted to kick the ship out 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:08.239 of him because I know this is not gonna go 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:11.440 how I expect to you I expected to I sit down. 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:17.160 He he had play on the film scram. He got 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:20.080 all the highlights of me fucking up in the last 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:25.119 three or four games. My worst possessions, Jackie. He was 0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:27.520 throwing you in and out and you didn't have no Yeah, 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:30.480 he found my worst possessions of life. He probably found 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:32.639 him when I was four years old, the worst possessions 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:35.159 ever and played him on the tape from me and 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:38.840 was like, Jackie, have been playing well the I know 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:41.520 you had a great practice today. I want to bring um, 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:43.880 Danny Green and the Genova the rest is guys in 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:45.639 and I want you to admit that these guys are 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:47.280 better than you because I'm gonna play. I'm going to 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:49.760 the playoffs. He brought them in the office. He brought 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:51.159 me in there and told me he was going to 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.280 bring them in there. In there for me to say that. 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:57.800 This one thing about Pop the smartest coach I've ever 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:02.040 played for. He's calculated. Everything he does is calculated. I 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:04.840 know this guy. I respect him too much, you know 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:07.560 what I mean. I can never say nothing bad about him. 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:09.520 He gave him my opportunity to win all that stuff. 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:11.520 I love Pop. He was like a father to me 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:15.840 those years I was in San Antonio. But he knew 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:18.560 what my response is gonna be before he asked me 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:21.600 that question. So when he told me to, he was 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:23.240 gonna bring the team, and he wanted me to admit 0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:25.600 that Danny Green and Janota was better than me in 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:27.800 front of the whole team to help their compass going 0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:32.119 to the playoffs. I looked at him, I said, Pop, 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:33.840 you know I ain't gonna say that. You might as 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:35.200 well give me the rest of my money. I'm getting 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:37.040 the up out of here, and I got up and 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.879 walked out. Now listen, I got up and walked out. 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:41.720 As I walked out, Tim, I see tim on on 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:43.320 the table and he was like, Jack, what's going on? 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:44.879 Like they don't wear about the Hilight you later? You 0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:46.280 know what I'm saying as I walked up. So this 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:48.800 is how I always say. I know how pop smart 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:51.760 Pop is and I know that everything he does is calculated. 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:56.920 As I'm at home going to the house, I get 0:23:56.920 --> 0:24:00.240 a call from team Matt t Mac flying and don't 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:02.560 ask me, well, what's going on? Something? He's flying in 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.160 San Antonio, flying him in. He coming in right now, 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:08.399 so that already was bringing team back in. So he 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:13.199 was trying to set up. Oh wait, so he wanted me. 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:15.720 He wanted me to set myself up by saying that 0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:17.920 in front of the team yourself, right, you know what 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:20.119 I'm saying. And but but like I said, Pop knew 0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:22.639 the relationship we had. He had so much love for me. 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:25.080 He couldn't come to terms just saying, Jack, I gotta 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:26.960 release you. You know what I'm saying. I don't. I 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:29.480 don't think the relationship we have, I don't. I don't 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:31.520 think he wanted to do that. And that's why he 0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:34.240 tried to. He put me in that position because he 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:36.440 knew I was gonna cut myself. No, I ain't saying 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:39.720 but i'n't not to this day, Deantay, Why to till 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.320 this day? I ain't saying nobody better than me. You 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:45.200 gotta prove it. You know what I'm saying. And it 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:47.440 ended bad, It into bad, and they end up losing 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:49.320 the Miami. That's good for their ass because I would 0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:51.200 have got that rebound, you know what I'm saying, in 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:52.600 the way I feel about real and I would have 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:54.680 made sure I locked this ass up, you know what 0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:57.800 I mean. So, but you know, should happened for a reason. 0:24:58.040 --> 0:24:59.600 I don't think. I don't even think they played really 0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:01.480 gets game. Team make a chance to see what he 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:02.879 can do. I remember that he did. He was in 0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:05.200 and out briefly, but it was fucked up, you know 0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:07.320 what I'm saying, because I was and then he did 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:10.359 that well, I couldn't sign with another NBA team, you know, 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:12.520 right for the playoffs where so he didn't want me 0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:13.879 to come back to huntum. And I don't blame h 0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:15.919 because that's what was gonna happen. I was gonna come 0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:17.560 back and bust his ass and he knew that, you 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.040 know what I mean. But it was just funked up 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:21.840 how it happened. And that and I never played an 0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:25.119 NBA after that. It's a cold business because that the 0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:28.639 business of the business behind the scenes is dirty, you 0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:31.200 know what I mean. And then it almost without knowing 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:34.280 the whole story. You know, Pop is what he is. 0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:36.080 You know, are going to be arguably one of the 0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:38.399 greatest coaches, if not the greatest coaches ever. So if 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.160 you can't make it work with people, really start thinking 0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:43.159 you're a problem, you know what I mean. So then, 0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:44.720 like you said, after that, you never played in the 0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:48.280 NBA again. Yeah, that little bullshit there with a month, 0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:49.959 a couple of weeks with the with the clips and 0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:52.880 that was it. But anytime you get cut right before 0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:56.119 the playoffs, that looks bad to every team, you know 0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:57.920 what I'm saying. That looks bad to every team. And 0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:01.200 to be cut from the Spurs right before the playoffs, 0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:02.800 you know what I'm saying. And and and I think Matt, 0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:05.280 that's what hurt me more than anything, the relationship me 0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:08.960 and Pop had, Like as smart as he is, this 0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:11.480 is ruining me. Pop, Like, regardless of how you feel 0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:13.280 about what you're trying to do to win games, this 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:15.359 is sucking up my career, you know what I mean. 0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:17.399 I don't think he ever thought about that, you know 0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:19.679 what I'm saying. But I but I I heard somebody 0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:21.240 asked him about and he said he regret how he 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:23.560 handled that, you know what I'm saying, which which I respect, 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:25.720 because you know, I had a lot of game left, 0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:27.200 you know, I had to go punish the Big three 0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:29.480 the next couple of years, because you know, if POP 0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:30.960 say you don't belong in the lead, trust me, a 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:32.439 lot of teams can be like you don't belong in 0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:37.720 the league. It's tough, tough way to go out for 0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:39.280 my career. I mean, we've had, like I said, a 0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:44.080 very similar pass um. I bounced around until I really 0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:46.880 felt like you know, there was one particular situation where 0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:49.720 I felt like, Okay, damn, I've arrived. I'm an NBA player. 0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:52.560 I'm here to stay. You touched on that early on 0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:55.439 and in your your running for the finals with San 0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:57.840 Antonio the first time in two thousand and three, What 0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:00.480 was that moment where you felt like, Okay, fuck, I'm here, 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:02.560 I'm here to stay. Let's set up shop. When we 0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:05.640 landed in Seattle, I had my family, A big part 0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:08.119 of my family is in Seattle, and they had I 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:09.879 think I said, not to cut you off. I missed 0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:12.040 the NBA's nose how he used to love. But remember 0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:16.720 did we go? Did we play Seattle? Remember my family restaurant, 0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:19.880 Cafish Corner that took the team too. So the that 0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:22.159 day was my first time meeting my family. When I 0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:23.679 was playing with San Antonio and the NBA and I 0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:25.679 had him come to the game. I was having him 0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:27.760 come to the game, so I brought the whole team 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:29.800 that David Robinson went eight the day before the game. 0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:32.760 The two weeks after that, I've been playing well. I 0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:34.960 was coming off the bench. I was playing well. I 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.520 was averaging like Ship sixteen seventeen off the bench, and 0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:39.440 Papa starting to play me more and more and more. 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:41.479 This is one reason why I love Pop because this 0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:43.600 opportunity that he gave me. We go to shoot around 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:45.560 and the next and we go back to the hotel 0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:48.320 to shoot around and Pop caused me up to his room. 0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:51.200 You know, it's the principal office feeling. I had went 0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:53.760 out the night before and got into some ship with 0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:57.040 Rochard Lewis. Well, we end up getting to a little 0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.280 fight at the club and it never hit the media. 0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:01.600 Shout out to Sean Lewis. We did some crazy ship 0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:06.280 at night for social media though, hey social media, no 0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:09.040 listen if social media was there. And the ship we 0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:11.880 did that night, we was in jail. We was in jail. 0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:14.120 We was in jail. We were squadding that night. So 0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:20.200 I'm automatically thinking this thing came out right. So I 0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:22.280 didn't hear nothing that shooting around. But when I got me, 0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:23.680 I get back to my room, he called me to 0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:26.359 us room. So this automatical what I'm thinking about. I 0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:29.480 get to his room. Tim in there something ship. But 0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:32.760 tim tim whole vibe was, you know, wolf Pack all 0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:35.280 ship he'd be doing. We played paintball together. We have 0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:37.000 a team called with the wolf Pack, so he's doing 0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:40.160 his little wolf pack ship. So that kind of you know, 0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:42.000 helped me. I live. So when I sit down, Pop, like, 0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:44.600 you didn't do nothing wrong because I'm sitting there, like 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:48.720 you always feel guilty what I don't? Black man, we 0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:50.880 pet guilty all the time, you know what I mean. 0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:52.960 Asked me why I don't skate because ship. I've been 0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:54.880 skating with the Nce my whole life. You know what 0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:58.320 I'm saying. But I sit down probably like Jackie, all right, 0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:00.280 you know you didn't do nothing. He's like, you've been 0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:03.280 playing well. I talked to him, I think it's time 0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:05.280 that we start you. We're gonna put you and start lineup. 0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:07.640 Who was starting at the time, Steve Smith O G 0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:10.720 Steve Smith and at the time he was my big brother, 0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.160 like he was everything to me on that team, taught 0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:15.479 me everything. He showed me how to get loose for 0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:17.640 the game, how to dress west suit, how to be 0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:20.880 a professional, everything about how to how to pre game. Everything. 0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:23.200 He taught me everything. And him and his wife at 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:24.480 the time, you know, that was my third year in 0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:26.920 the league, so him and his wife were like my 0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:28.840 big brother and big sister. They used to vipe me 0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:30.560 over the cook for me and all kind of stuff, 0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:31.960 make sure I have stuff at the house. When he 0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:33.800 told me that, I was excited. But my whole time 0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:38.040 thing is, damn, I'm gonna tell the o g to 0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:39.880 you know what I'm saying, and took his spot. That's 0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:42.520 not my intentions. But I'm you know, I'm just trying 0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:44.560 to play. I'm just trying to hoot. So when he 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:48.400 tells me, I'm it's a bit of sweet feeling. So um, 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:53.360 I'm excited. But when I get to the game, you 0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:55.800 know we're talking about feeling like I belong. When I 0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:57.400 get to the game, I walk in the locker room 0:29:57.760 --> 0:29:59.840 and I see Steve Smith as I locked us right 0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:02.360 by to all the time, and I'm trying to sneak bying. 0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:04.640 So because I don't want to address it, you know 0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:07.680 what I'm saying, and he felt it because Noman, I mean, 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:10.000 what's up? You know what I'm saying. So as I 0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:12.959 was sneaking bying, he turned around like he's like young Fellers. 0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:16.120 We call me young Feller. The same personal between me 0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:19.640 and you. Go out there, do what you've been doing, 0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:21.600 the same personal between you. We know what's going on. 0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:23.280 I'm rooting for you. I'm your biggest fan, just like 0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:26.440 you've been mine. That's what that gave me the feeling 0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:28.520 like I belong Okay, you know what I'm saying, Like 0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:31.240 now I'm I'm gonna start, Especially someone like Steve Smith 0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:35.080 gave me the okay I belonged, telling me he's like, 0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:37.680 you've been playing well, you deserve to be starting at 0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:39.920 that moment. You know what I'm saying, Okay, I belong here. 0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:42.080 You know what I'm saying. And I owe that to 0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:44.600 Steve Smith. That's what's up. My situation was. I mean, 0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:49.560 I bounced around um team. The team didn't get a 0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:51.600 chance to really play. Do you remember how many teams 0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:54.320 you tried that you got a job too. It was 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:57.360 only two. I didn't get my like myself, So my 0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:01.360 second round draft pick drafted, traded draft day, so I'm traded. 0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:04.480 I drafted in Memphis, traded to Cleveland. John Lucas, the 0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:06.760 head coach, didn't really get a chance cut early on 0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:08.440 in the process, go to the D League for the 0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:12.840 whole year, grind running to another coach's son's position. I 0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:14.840 get hurt the coach of son takes my spot. So 0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:18.680 then I'm spotting playing in the D League. So I'm 0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:20.320 not doing the D League ship again. So then I 0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:23.280 go to this a b ah, We're playing my games 0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:27.080 in Mexico and all kinds of ship. And uh, that's 0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:29.080 when I actually played with Dennis Romin for like two weeks. 0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:31.920 How was that I only got to play with I 0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:33.440 didn't get a chance to funk with Bro like I 0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:34.960 wanted to. But you know that, I get caught up 0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:37.040 to the Clippers have a cooler to run. Start playing 0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:39.000 on a ten day get to ten days. I'm signed. 0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:41.000 But this is right at the beginning when Sacramento and 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.480 the King Sacramento Kings versus of Lakers is like a 0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:45.560 big rivalry. So I'm always going home in the summer 0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:47.520 fucking C Webb and Jay Will and working out with 0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:49.680 these dudes. I'm just like, fuck, I would be working 0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:51.640 out of Arcole the whole summer, and then Rick Adaman 0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:53.000 is just like, you know what you got going on? 0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:54.720 It's like it's kind of up in the air. I 0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:56.960 knew we were talking to going back to the Clippers 0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:58.440 for a two year deal, but I was like, shot, 0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:00.400 if I can go home and play with my hometown team, 0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:02.959 why they're dope, It's a no brainer. So I end 0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:05.920 up signing dealing sack Uh. Season doesn't start off the 0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:09.240 way it's supposed to. They ended up trading Chris Webber 0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:10.800 and I was just a throwing So I go to 0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:14.360 Webb to Philly two and a half years, don't really 0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:16.360 get a chance to play. It's when I run into 0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:19.120 punk As Moe Cheeks and have all this built up 0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:22.240 fire and hostility just because I haven't got a chance 0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:23.720 to play. I think there's so many people that just 0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:25.320 don't get a chance to play and they get washed 0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:27.480 out the league. So I'm coming into the two thousand 0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:30.640 sixth season working out for football in the summertime because 0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:32.960 my brother played football, still working out basketball, but like 0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:34.720 fucking I'm gonna try to make a jump to the NFL. 0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:37.920 We had lined up some NFL tryouts um for me 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:40.680 if this basketball thing didn't work, then bar Davis hits 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:43.880 me like, Yo, we're we got open gym down here 0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:45.760 in Oakland today if you want to playoffs in Sacramento. 0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:48.120 So you know, just happened to drive down, made that 0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:50.720 little push down to the bay playing this open gym 0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:54.400 um play well, not knowing that Nelly was upstairs and 0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:57.360 watched us. So when we're done, Nelly comes down, puts 0:32:57.400 --> 0:32:58.920 his arm around me, like, hey, you know what you 0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:00.760 got going on? Where you're going to camp at this day. 0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:03.280 I'm like, I don't know. I don't have a job, 0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:05.880 and he's just like, okay, well, I can't promise you anything. 0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:08.479 You know, we got sixteen guarantees already, were gonna hate 0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:10.160 a few people to come to camp just to fill 0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.640 out the roster. Then I can't promise you a spot, 0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:14.200 but if you play like you played today, I'm gonna 0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:16.200 give you a chance. So I'm like, okay, So this 0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:18.200 is the first time a coach has had that like 0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:20.600 enough time to even talk to me, really recognized me. 0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:22.120 But it almost sounded, you know, he just gave me 0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:24.800 that little bit of convince that I needed. So I 0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:26.880 go into camp do what I gotta do. They end 0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:29.120 up cutting two dudes, cut the dudes they just brought 0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:30.840 to camp, and I make the team. So I start 0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:34.200 off on the bench and kind of work my way 0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:37.520 into playing and then playing a lot. And there was 0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:39.440 a little run there. I got hot. I had like 0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:41.200 two or three games in a row where I was 0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:44.320 over twenty if I'm not mistaken. And we come down 0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:46.240 in one city and you know how much Nelly smoked. 0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:48.120 I didn't have a sweatch, and it was cold. Nellie 0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.160 tried to give me his dusty ass jacket and smelled 0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:54.800 like a pound of motherfucking cigars, and I'm like, I'm cool, 0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:56.960 but he almost like bullied me into wearing it, you 0:33:56.960 --> 0:33:58.400 know what I mean. So I sat there and just 0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:01.040 wore his a little uh nasty as a little smoke jacket. 0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:03.400 But it was it was like right there, like this 0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:05.440 is the first time that the coach is like fucking 0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:07.520 with me and really giving me intention and showing that 0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:09.560 he believed in me. And that little bit of confidence 0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:12.120 was all I needed, you know. And then shortly after 0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:14.560 that is when you guys got traded to our team. 0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:17.560 You know, I knew I had another smoking buddy. And 0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:20.719 you know, we made history and that three two and 0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:23.759 a half months span, but that's really after you know, 0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:26.799 almost bouncing around four four to five seasons. That's where 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:28.480 I knew it. I was like, okay, and you know 0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:30.560 that's when we made this We Believe run. Uh. You know, 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.640 I'm starting to become a household name. You couldn't tell 0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:35.160 us that even though it was only the first round, 0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:37.200 we didn't win, felt like we won the championship and 0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:42.719 we was. But you know what the crazy part was 0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:45.360 was it was a bitter sweet situation with Nelly because 0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:47.880 in similar with you with Pop, Like even though they 0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:50.239 really gave us our first opportunity, they took it from 0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:52.320 us too. They took it from us too, and people 0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:54.200 don't know, like my ship was sucked up. So I 0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:56.719 come off this We Believe seasons. So basically I was 0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:59.040 about to be out the NBA. Nelly gives me a 0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:02.160 chance play. Well, so I started hearing, Okay, hey man, 0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:05.360 you're about to get this twenty thirty million dollar contract. 0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:07.280 You know you need to get a bigger name. Agents 0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:09.560 are fire made. I'm just listening to all the hype. 0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:13.839 Fire my agent whatever, get a different agent. I heard 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:16.040 there was a deal that he dropped the ball on. 0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:18.320 So then it comes back to where Nelly is offering 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:21.920 me a three year, twelve million dollar deal. So I'm 0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:23.680 just thinking, like, damn, that's low. You know how you 0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:25.879 was thinking Pop offered you to three year nine million. 0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:27.560 I'm just like, after what I did, and you know 0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:29.279 how Lett, now I finally get a chance to play, 0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:32.359 like I know I could be making more. So I 0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:36.160 ultimately turned that deal down, and the rest of free 0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:39.080 agency is getting watered down and the money's drying up. 0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:41.120 So then I end up taking a one year, four 0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:44.280 million dollar offer. Looking back on it after the fact, 0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:46.319 I saw it a lot clearly, but at the time, 0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:48.359 I'm just like, I'm looking at it, It's just give 0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:50.040 me this one year deal. I'm an audition and then 0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:52.680 I'm gonna get a big payday. Not knowing that that 0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:54.360 next season is when my mom died right at the 0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:56.239 beginning of season the two that that following the week 0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:59.319 Belisee and she died diagnosed with cancer Nomber for first 0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:01.960 dies November only seven, So within the first twenty six 0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:04.920 days of the season, my mom died. So my season 0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:08.360 is shot. But I what I remember was, you know, 0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:10.239 just trying to get that magic back, and you guys 0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:12.200 were there helping me, trying to gas me up and 0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.760 get me going, and like nothing was happening. So I remember, 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:18.240 I kind of started feeling better, was practicing better. Nellie 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:20.799 pulls me to the side out in the back where 0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:23.480 he used to smoke in the parking lot and tells 0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:26.080 me straight to my face. I respected it, but I 0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:28.400 wanted to knock his old ass out. He said, I'm 0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:30.520 glad you're just signed your long term deal here. Your 0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:34.040 time here is up. And I'm like, hold up, motherfucker. 0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:36.200 I just battled through all this ship. You know, my 0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:38.399 mom just died. I played the day after my mom died, 0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:41.239 and you got the motherfucking audacity to tell me that 0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.080 my time up is here. So I mean, I'm just 0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:45.440 thinking all this ship in my head. I shook my 0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:47.759 head and said okay, and that motherfucker's stuck to his word. 0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:52.239 Didn't play me at all anymore. And that was kind 0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:53.560 of that was kind of like the end of my 0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:55.279 run in my seat. And so although I owe a 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.640 lot to Nelly initially because he gave me my opportunity, 0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:01.480 he also snatched that shift right from underneath me too 0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:04.000 at the same time and similar in your situation. He 0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:07.000 traded me too, though. It's just funny how he trade 0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:10.560 you though. Knocked on my door Milwaukee, knocked on my door. 0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:12.400 Smoke of a cig or I would a beer earlier 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:15.080 the morning. Jack, How you doing this morning? Don't even 0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:17.200 come in my room. You don't want to be here. 0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.399 You want to send you to Charlotte. All right, stay 0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:22.440 in touch my body, hate me a hug and all that. 0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:24.520 Just walked off like you were like you were like 0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:27.400 his favorite. Though. My god, you negotiated your own contract 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:30.040 with him? Yes, I did tell me about that. Well, well, 0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:32.160 it wasn't with him, it was with Bobby. Yeah, I 0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:35.799 was had two years left on my contract. Um, I 0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:38.160 think I'm probably the only person to negotiate a three 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:43.640 year extension with no college education, barely a high school education, 0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:47.279 barely a high school education. Do I did they get 0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:51.799 my diploma? Like about from high school? I did? I mean, 0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:54.680 I'm after I'm a fact checking to that. Yeah. Um, 0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:58.279 but what was I talking about? Getting your own contract work? 0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:02.680 So I Bobby, Well, actually shout out to Nita. Nita 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:05.520 preps me, that's the homer, So she preps she took, 0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:07.000 you know, because I didn't want to get no agent. 0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:08.440 And she like, you know, I need to, like need 0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:10.080 to really believe in me. Bro, Like she helped me 0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:11.440 do a lot of stuff when I was there, and 0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:13.040 my mom and her are still good friends. She's like, 0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:15.840 you don't even know Asian. You can represent yourself. You 0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:17.799 know what you're worth. Can't nobody tell you what you're 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:21.520 worth better than you? Like it kind of makes sense, neither. Like, 0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:25.240 all you gotta do is show your numbers, your stats, 0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:28.040 and compare them to what everybody else making the their stats, 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:30.520 and just see what he's saying. It's just a conversation. 0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:34.480 Take him to dinner, you know, we have a conversation 0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:36.600 with drinking a little bit, and I do exactly what 0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:40.480 she saved. Bro. Slide the status sheet. I slide the 0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:43.120 status sheet to him. All the players in my stats, 0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:45.880 I'm at the top, Mike read and all them my stats, 0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:50.040 killing theirs, making dubs, they make a twenty you know 0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:53.279 what I mean. I'm like, I just want ten I 0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:55.319 just want ten to years. I want three years, thirty minute, 0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:57.279 that's all I want. You see what I'm doing, It's 0:38:57.320 --> 0:39:00.640 only fact, it's only right. I got two years left 0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:03.120 on my deal. So I'm just at the crap table 0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:07.239 shooting you got it, Jack, You got it, Bro, I'm 0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:09.680 talking about But as soon as he said, I'm texting Needle. 0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:11.360 We got it. We got it. We got on the 0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:13.640 phone and I couldn't believe it, Bro. But for what 0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:17.720 we've done for that year, I think we all deserved something, 0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:19.480 you know what I'm saying. We had all this and 0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:22.800 I was the last one there, me and Monte. He 0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:24.279 was the last one, you know what I'm saying. And 0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:27.800 he saw how I was filling with all y'all leaving, 0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:30.920 you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, that's but that's 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:32.600 when I told him I wanted to get traded right after, 0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:35.520 right after when Steph came. And Monte didn't like it either, 0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:36.520 you know what I'm saying. But if I would have 0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:39.600 my dumbass, if I had known this Chef Curry, I 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:42.000 would have stayed then, you know what I'm saying, whatever 0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:44.040 fuck I wish I would have known Chef Curry was 0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:46.640 gonna be Chef Curry. Bro. But shout out to Nita again, Man, 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:48.560 I was I was able to negotiate. I just had 0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:50.960 confidence to sit down with him and negotiate the contract. 0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:54.319 But the same GM, the Bobby that gave me my 0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:58.879 contract lied on me too a year later to Monte. Yeah, 0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.680 and and and our relationship ain't been the same since. 0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:03.719 No years has passed. You know, we go back a 0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:06.040 lot to go to State for the games, and somebody 0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:08.760 that still works in the organization told me that Bobby 0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:13.439 told him that I told him how he hurt his ankle. Oh, 0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:18.319 how he was on this really when I left by that, 0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:22.120 and our relationship has never been the same. Yeah, weak, 0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:23.960 asked Bobby. You know what I'm saying like that, that 0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:25.880 that ship was weak, that ship was where he was 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:28.640 doing that because he was mad because I actually get 0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:30.680 traded after I got the extension. So that's what his 0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:32.759 way is getting. I'm like, that's bullshit, you know what 0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:35.200 I mean. Would be a dope shout out, Monte. I 0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:37.919 love you, bro, a little homie, little brother. He didn't 0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:41.480 have no tattoos. One night we got to Sacramento. Remember 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:43.440 we was up in there getting blown and I had 0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:46.000 my tattoo artists come in and put nothing. I have 0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:48.600 my tattooed artists tattoo this same tattoo and the same 0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:52.280 Remember how much he was sweating when he getting in there, drinking, smoking, laughing. 0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:54.480 He was in there sweating like a motherfucker. He came 0:40:54.520 --> 0:41:00.360 back the next seasons bat chest everything like he just 0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:03.040 went in. He got more tattoos and all of young Monte. 0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:04.640 But you know, I think it would be dope. Is 0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:08.960 the behind like stories like this, like every our fans 0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:11.480 only get to see, you know, the finished product so 0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:13.319 and so science for this so and so science feather. 0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:15.359 They don't know the ins and outs of the other 0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:17.600 deals that failed, that the agents sunk up, that the 0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:20.759 GM lies on you, they cut you, they trade you. 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:23.520 Like I said, they only see the bottom line of ESPN. 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:25.200 So and so signed here. But I think it would 0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:26.840 be a dope if we can get like a collection 0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:31.759 of like crazy ass cut stories, trade stories, contract funk 0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:35.000 ups like the real stories. But since we own this, 0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:37.480 go to state, we got to do that. We believe. 0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:39.440 We definitely gotta do what we believe. We get all 0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:41.759 of us in here and talk about story. You gotta 0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:44.239 fly me Jack, Who else do we need to go? Me? 0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:48.680 You Monte al Baron to Mauie j Rich Ja Rich 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:53.320 to Mauie to sit down on Nellie's uh cannabis farm. 0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:57.400 Mai got MAUI Wowie wowe. It's called Nellie Cush And 0:41:57.400 --> 0:41:58.839 we gotta go out there and tell this. We believe 0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:03.759 story man, because when we tell y'all legendary nights. He 0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:06.160 invited us out. He wants to come and try this product, 0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:08.439 and that would be the perfect time to talk about 0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:12.600 old memories. Him and I'll have some stuff to hash. Yeah, 0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:14.480 I didn't like him, you know what I mean. It 0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:16.640 was a fallout with a couple of us. Wouldn't you 0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:18.680 be mad if he had you guarding yea? Yeah, I 0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:23.919 mean we were small ball. I was our biggest dude, 0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:26.440 Like me and you were playing the four or five 0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:28.799 at time, like there's no way we're six eight, Like 0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:31.080 we found a way to slow down Dirk. But motherfucking 0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:33.359 y'all was seven. What it was, It was a game 0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:35.879 with me and you was guarding o'core and boozing. Yeah, 0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:39.160 the four or five out both of them dudes outweighs 0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:41.080 by sixty pounds, and we still had our own their 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:44.120 motherfucking rest cheated ya. I gotta guard us too, though, 0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:47.080 straight up? All right, man, that's a rap. Episode seven. 0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:51.000 All the smoke with my brother jack Man. Stay tuned, man. 0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:53.439 We got a hell of a lineup coming for y'all 0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:57.279 in December. Got some uh NBA legends coming through and 0:42:57.320 --> 0:43:00.359 some other creative people in the space that we're really 0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:02.920 excited to bring you, man, So thank you for tuning. 0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:05.920 In May, you can catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube 0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:10.359 channel and all platforms streaming, podcast, All up? How many? 0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:15.000 All up? We'll see y'all later. Peace. Jamal Charlo says 0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:18.000 he wants to be the king of the jungle. It's 0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:20.600 no way you can take my lion and that's me 0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:40.440 And well how the ruggle for Jamal Charlo versus Dennis 0:43:40.480 --> 0:44:13.719 Hogan for the middleweight championship on Showtime mcals as