Speaker 1: Jamal Charlos says evils to be the king of the
Speaker 1: Jumala and kam Jamal Charlot versus Dennis Hogan for the
Speaker 1: middleweight championship on Showtime. Picture this late night. I'm riding
Speaker 1: down a dark street and it's two naked chicks, right,
Speaker 1: It's two naked chicks running down the street. One is
Speaker 1: the x Miss Universe, the other is ex Miss America.
Speaker 1: It's a dark night. They're running down the street naked.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm down the street, but I
Speaker 1: was smoking and I made a wrong turn. I stopped
Speaker 1: and can you help us? Help us? I'm like, fuck, yeah,
Speaker 1: help y'all. Y'all naked, y'all, big ass titis and ship
Speaker 1: get in going. Uh. I get to start the driving,
Speaker 1: I get the accident, Like what the wa y'are running from?
Speaker 1: You know, because you know, you see my fucker's running,
Speaker 1: you just start running too. So I just hit the gas,
Speaker 1: you know. But it's it's hard for me to not
Speaker 1: think that these motherfucker's neck it in the back seat, right,
Speaker 1: So why I'm driving, I'm getting the boner, right, So
Speaker 1: I'm trying to focus, you know, I don't know what
Speaker 1: they're running from. All I'm thinking now is I'm getting
Speaker 1: laid Okay, Damn what they're running from? Damn who gonna
Speaker 1: kill us? At least I'm gonna get one off when
Speaker 1: we die, right. So that's how I wanted to paint
Speaker 1: the story like that picture right there. Oh yeah, we could.
Speaker 1: We could have started the show with that ship the
Speaker 1: character right there. Uh. Episode seven, all the smoke, Welcome back,
Speaker 1: my bren in mine, what's up my brother? This episode,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go in depth into me and uh Jack's
Speaker 1: crazy journey through the NBA, tell some personal stories, some up,
Speaker 1: some downs, and uh, I hope you guys enjoy it.
Speaker 1: So today we're gonna talk about the last of a
Speaker 1: dying bree, which was trash talking in the NBA. Me
Speaker 1: and Jack caught the end of it. We missed the
Speaker 1: greats like Gary Payton and guys like that that really
Speaker 1: got in your face and really talk ship. Jack liked
Speaker 1: to talk ship. He got a big Matthew like to talk.
Speaker 1: I wasn't really someone that talked. I kind of ruled
Speaker 1: a retaliator. But um, you got a dope story about
Speaker 1: you and Kobe going at it and how your team
Speaker 1: ended their quest for a four peak. I was known
Speaker 1: to trash talk. You know, that's one one of my
Speaker 1: best assets, because not that's in times a guy gonna
Speaker 1: fighting the game, Okay, they don't want to fight. For
Speaker 1: all y'all to watch NBA games. Half of them guys
Speaker 1: do up a TV. They wouldn't throw a punch and
Speaker 1: wouldn't bust a graping the fruit fight. Okay, So do
Speaker 1: not think they want to fight us off a TV.
Speaker 1: So I knew that at times, and you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I really pushed them, you know, push the
Speaker 1: envelope because I knew I was ready to go, but
Speaker 1: I knew that was so sometimes that got me eight
Speaker 1: to ten points just punking the motherfucker. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We used to pup motherfucker's that we believed
Speaker 1: that that's that's a part of the game. And we
Speaker 1: see that you're scared, we're gonna take advantage of it, right.
Speaker 1: So I used to do that to a lot of people,
Speaker 1: and I was I was always talking even want the
Speaker 1: trash talk Award the Big Three, which nothing, but I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, playing against Kobe Man. Kobe's to talk trash,
Speaker 1: but It's hard to kind of go back and forth
Speaker 1: with him, not only because he shoot a lot. He's
Speaker 1: making the motherfucker's and you don't get that many attempts.
Speaker 1: So I got I finally got a post up on him,
Speaker 1: you know, and I got the ball on the post.
Speaker 1: I'm backing them down, you know. I'm looking at them
Speaker 1: like little nigga, not for them, you know, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at him hitting with the shoulder. I turned around and
Speaker 1: shoot it. He just why whole arm off right the referee.
Speaker 1: I'm on the baseline the referee, So I turned look
Speaker 1: at the referee. Kobe takes off with the ball. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? So I'm talking to the referee, arguing
Speaker 1: with him, and um, as I'm talking to the ref
Speaker 1: Kobe is saying something to me like you better pay
Speaker 1: attend you like you know what I'm saying all that
Speaker 1: because I started saying something to Kobe to about hacking
Speaker 1: as you know what I'm saying. So as I'm talking
Speaker 1: to referee, Kobe shoots like ten ft from the three
Speaker 1: point line net and gives me on the smug like
Speaker 1: look at me, and then the referee look at me
Speaker 1: like like he on Kobe side. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Kobe just run down the court just talking to me
Speaker 1: like I'm a kid, and next thing, you know, Pop
Speaker 1: this subbed me out of the game. So I'm on
Speaker 1: the sideline looking like I just a bump, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like Kobe. Want one thing about Kobe,
Speaker 1: he gonna talk to you, and he gonna get every
Speaker 1: shot and you're not gonna get the same amount of
Speaker 1: attempts him. You know what I mean, Kobe. People don't
Speaker 1: know Kobe talk a lot of trash. Bro It might
Speaker 1: not be cursed words, might be nothing like that, but
Speaker 1: it's just what he gonna do to you. And he'll
Speaker 1: tell you before he do it, and he'll still do it.
Speaker 1: You're still doing you can do to stop. I mean,
Speaker 1: my ship too, was our ship was a little bit
Speaker 1: of back and forth talking that situation in Orlando with
Speaker 1: the ball fake, but it was more the grabbing the elbow. Win.
Speaker 1: I caught a tip dunk that he tried to block
Speaker 1: the white shot and he left me open and I
Speaker 1: went and tip junk and I was coming off the
Speaker 1: rim and motherfucker tried to elbow me in my nuts.
Speaker 1: So it just came to a point, like you said,
Speaker 1: where he found you right in front the refs, and
Speaker 1: the refs act like that motherfucking Ray Charles at the time,
Speaker 1: like bitch, you know you motherfucking saw that, right. So
Speaker 1: he came to a point in Orlando where he was
Speaker 1: doing all this dirty ship and I would get caught retaliating,
Speaker 1: So I gotta I got one t But it's bullshit,
Speaker 1: like you said, because you gotta do everything you can
Speaker 1: to stop him, knowing god, damn well, I know in
Speaker 1: my situation, he took like thirty shots that game, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like six games to get thirty shots,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it was tough, but
Speaker 1: badly him was always fun. But I used to tell
Speaker 1: people guarding him, he tries to mentally fuck you too,
Speaker 1: because physically, you know, there's not much you could do
Speaker 1: with him, but he tries to get that mental battle too,
Speaker 1: whether it's talking ship elbow and you getting you know,
Speaker 1: the pump faking you eighteen times and then you jump
Speaker 1: and he barely slit, you know, slides against you, and
Speaker 1: the ref cause of foul. So it was a motherfucking battle,
Speaker 1: just like I said. But that was my favorite whenever
Speaker 1: I played I was just like, hell, yeah, I get
Speaker 1: to play Code tonight. You know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: my whole thing is, you're not gonna start great offense
Speaker 1: with good defense regardless. You just want to make him
Speaker 1: work for everything. It difficult on make him work. You know,
Speaker 1: no easy no, no easy layups. You go to the
Speaker 1: basket and my father ship, I'm not giving you no
Speaker 1: easy layups. I'm gonna make you work for everything. And
Speaker 1: if you make, if you make, if you even know
Speaker 1: having thirty points, I want you to take thirty shots.
Speaker 1: You remember we go to State when we men and
Speaker 1: him was going back to back and three going in
Speaker 1: the game and we beat him. Yeah, you were talking
Speaker 1: to he was looking like man when he came out Tobody.
Speaker 1: He was hitting some crazy shots at the end of
Speaker 1: that game, sick. So you briefly touched on it. I
Speaker 1: mean amongst that ship talking and back and forth between
Speaker 1: you and Code, you guys ended their streak for four
Speaker 1: in a row in San Antonio. That's when you got
Speaker 1: your first rink. Yeah, I mean there was the dominant team.
Speaker 1: Nobody wanted to play the Lake because nobody then been
Speaker 1: dominant over the Spurs. Definitely Tim and Dave couldn't couldn't
Speaker 1: get over that hump. I know they won that bullshit
Speaker 1: championship of the Spurs did, but yeah, that short season,
Speaker 1: but the Lakers, they couldn't get past the Lakers that year.
Speaker 1: It was basically guaranteed that they was gonna win again.
Speaker 1: We had kind of struggled with them during a regular
Speaker 1: season because Kobe and Shock were just a little bit
Speaker 1: too much. But I think Tim had it in his
Speaker 1: mind no matter what, no matter who was on the court,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the best player from game one think
Speaker 1: the first game he had like a twenty and twenty
Speaker 1: like he was. That was his like standard the whole series,
Speaker 1: and he made it a point to guard Shock to
Speaker 1: the point where he was playing so well. Kevin Willis
Speaker 1: was coming off the off the bench, getting tip dunks
Speaker 1: and you know, blocking Shock shot, you know, so he
Speaker 1: I think just having Tim Duggan where his mind was,
Speaker 1: that was the only reason we was able to stop
Speaker 1: there for Pete, you know, and to see Kobe and
Speaker 1: Shocking them over there crying and you know, Derek fishing
Speaker 1: them over the crime. It was a good feeling, bro
Speaker 1: because that was my first year that I actually felt
Speaker 1: like I was in the league. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I belong and I had it, and you know,
Speaker 1: being on a on a chance to win a championship
Speaker 1: that was specially to stop them too, That's what's up.
Speaker 1: But you know it was crazy for me because I
Speaker 1: had always battle code, you know, even dating back to
Speaker 1: when he first came to l A. He used to
Speaker 1: come up to U C. L A and play and
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But then to be able to,
Speaker 1: you know, have to someone that I looked up to
Speaker 1: so much and loved competing against, competing with it was amazing.
Speaker 1: And my first year there was we were going for
Speaker 1: their second three pet um, but I ended up tearing
Speaker 1: my meniscus. I want to say in February, I think
Speaker 1: that year, uh, and that's the year they that we
Speaker 1: got swept by Dallas and I think they beat Dallas
Speaker 1: beat Miami um in the in the finals. But like
Speaker 1: I said, getting a chance to play with him and
Speaker 1: seeing his day and day out preparation, um, how hard
Speaker 1: he worked on his game, getting up in the morning
Speaker 1: and hitting the track in the weights, and I mean,
Speaker 1: like it's still dark outside type ship like he was
Speaker 1: just I say, like an evil genius, you mean, like
Speaker 1: a beautiful mind. Like he was so obsessed with being
Speaker 1: the best, and but he put the work into so
Speaker 1: it was just amazing to be able to, you know,
Speaker 1: say that I battled to me against the second greatest
Speaker 1: player of all time. And then I was actually a
Speaker 1: teammate with him for a little while too. That ship
Speaker 1: was dope, man. Like I said, I learned a lot.
Speaker 1: He wasn't wasn't someone who was very like a vocal
Speaker 1: He was the leader, but he wasn't one of those
Speaker 1: yelling all the time vocally. That it was a situation
Speaker 1: when he spoke, you listened, and then he would just
Speaker 1: keep you that motherfucking look you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: or that I mean, you know, you gotta pass to
Speaker 1: him when he when he gives you his little mom
Speaker 1: but his like you know, he's open. But it was
Speaker 1: really it was just, you know, lead by example. If
Speaker 1: your best player is gonna go out there every single
Speaker 1: night and leave it all out there, there's no excuse
Speaker 1: for no one else not to. I didn't didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to play with him, but I got just
Speaker 1: played with him when McDonald's All American game, and just
Speaker 1: his presence was was like it is now, the different
Speaker 1: energy when he walked in practice. As a sevent eight
Speaker 1: t old when he walked in practice, we all felt
Speaker 1: it like he was the next thing, the next big
Speaker 1: stag um, and he was that good. But it was
Speaker 1: just I was excited to be on his team in
Speaker 1: McDonald's game because I knew how, you know, the the
Speaker 1: ceiling they had for him, and should he reached all
Speaker 1: those expectations. Hell of a run, man. So we're talking
Speaker 1: about experiences, you know, and and and the game and
Speaker 1: and and our experiences, our history of the game, and
Speaker 1: talk about being on the wrong side of history. You
Speaker 1: were a part of a team that everybody thought was
Speaker 1: gonna be a championship team, even you know, the guys
Speaker 1: that was in the league that played against y'all just
Speaker 1: knew y'all was on your way to championship. Y'all were
Speaker 1: real close. Y'all were three one against the Rockets, and
Speaker 1: everything went downhill with the team y'all had tell me
Speaker 1: about that. That was an interesting series. That was our
Speaker 1: Live City team, very talented team, but for some reason
Speaker 1: or another, we just couldn't get over the hump. But
Speaker 1: we really felt like this two thousand and fifteen season
Speaker 1: was the year we beat San Antonio in a in
Speaker 1: a crazy back and forth seven game series. Just roster
Speaker 1: our rosters. Who was it? It was cp J J
Speaker 1: me Blake d J. We had big Baby off the bench,
Speaker 1: reigning six man Jamal Crawford hit Turkoloo Spencer has well,
Speaker 1: how did you off the church money? I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: but it was back to that. I think it was
Speaker 1: game game five. We were up a lot and they
Speaker 1: bench James. So we're thinking, ship, Okay, we're done. We're
Speaker 1: about to play the wards in the next round. But
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're bench led by Josh Smith.
Speaker 1: Beat the fucking breaks off us just hitting threes transition.
Speaker 1: They completely snatched the air at a at a stable center.
Speaker 1: James moving crazy crazy on his hitting threes. Duncan he
Speaker 1: just led the bench. Like I said, Ja, they had
Speaker 1: bench James. So we figured, okay, you know, I can't wait.
Speaker 1: We're gonna home and play Golden State to see who
Speaker 1: goes to the finals. And uh, they came back beat
Speaker 1: us in that game, game five, game six, in game seven,
Speaker 1: we didn't stay in the chance. Really, they just they
Speaker 1: handed it to us and like what change, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, just that big word, that word momentum. It
Speaker 1: was just the momentum shifting. It was almost like there
Speaker 1: was nothing to do, nothing we could do to get
Speaker 1: it back. In Game seven, they closed it out, um
Speaker 1: and they were big guys up three one, and they
Speaker 1: came back and swept us. You mean, basically we were
Speaker 1: at three one and got sweat Which was crazy too
Speaker 1: because that's the year Golden State won their first championship.
Speaker 1: But if you take it back the year before that
Speaker 1: two thousand and four team, we were the last team
Speaker 1: and knocked them out, you know what I mean. We
Speaker 1: knew they were going to be something to reckon with.
Speaker 1: We just you know, still thought we had the upper
Speaker 1: hand on them. So everyone was expecting that Clippers Golden
Speaker 1: State Western Conference Finals and you know, the winner was
Speaker 1: going to play Lebron Houston took him that too. They battled,
Speaker 1: They definitely battled, you know what I mean. But you know,
Speaker 1: Golden State got over the hump and then uh, you know,
Speaker 1: that was the beginning of their run. But definitely just
Speaker 1: to missed opportunity with that Lobs City team as a whole.
Speaker 1: It was the locker room like after was walking to locker.
Speaker 1: I know everybody was sick, sick, dad lost your dog.
Speaker 1: It was it was girl friend found your bad phone.
Speaker 1: Oh that's film. That's a horrible that's man like when
Speaker 1: you see the lights in your review from the cop
Speaker 1: and your your motherfucking stomach just goes to the bottom
Speaker 1: of your stuff so you can't. Oh man, that's the
Speaker 1: hell of a feeling. Bro. I had to swallow one
Speaker 1: one time. It wasn't that big, but had to. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like it's like it's just tasted, disgusting tasting.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, like I said, it was just a
Speaker 1: missed opportunity for that team. We felt like we had
Speaker 1: so much talent, but that I just really feel our weakness,
Speaker 1: our kryptonite wasn't was ourselves. You know, we kept getting
Speaker 1: in our way. You know, some guys butted heads and
Speaker 1: and the chemistry wasn't what it should be. But when
Speaker 1: the chemistry was on, it was magical. But was crazy.
Speaker 1: What tripped me out about that team is we were
Speaker 1: so close off the court, Like we all can't think
Speaker 1: having a coach's son on the team had anything to
Speaker 1: do with it. I mean, that was an interesting experience
Speaker 1: dynamic to have him come to the team. But he
Speaker 1: played well for us, to be honest with you, he
Speaker 1: played if well forced in the playoffs. I think it
Speaker 1: was a little interesting for him to get there. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean for a father's son dynamic, because
Speaker 1: I know a lot of us on the team we're
Speaker 1: pulling for Nate Robinson to get signed um and they
Speaker 1: ultimately you know, wanted to at that time. If you
Speaker 1: wait the Austin was already on the team, but we
Speaker 1: were trying to get Nate because I'm saying as players,
Speaker 1: if you look at them, Nate come on, Nate by far.
Speaker 1: But like I said, Austin came in and play well,
Speaker 1: and I kind of think that's when he put himself
Speaker 1: on the map. But I definitely think if there was
Speaker 1: a little bit of awkwardness um when he first came.
Speaker 1: But you know, with any situation, I'm sure father's son
Speaker 1: would be awkward. Like as much as I love my son,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I wouldn't give him the opportunity, but
Speaker 1: I would rather them earn it. Yeah, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: Austin don't deserve to be an NBA. What I'm saying
Speaker 1: is I know his daddy game is a big contract.
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm saying, I'm I'm not saying
Speaker 1: if I was in that position, I probably would too,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't want to have
Speaker 1: my players look at me a different way. I think
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm doing you know what. It was just
Speaker 1: about winning and keep one. There was an awkwardness, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And that's back when you know
Speaker 1: Doc had a lot of the power, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, If I wasn't if I'm not mistaken, he
Speaker 1: was like president GM and head coach, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So that's a lot of different hats to wear.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna sign my son third got That was
Speaker 1: really kind of the unrattling of that team, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I got into him with that season.
Speaker 1: So I was motherfucking traded at twelve oh one in
Speaker 1: the a M. East Coast time. I was the first trade, um,
Speaker 1: you know, and then the pieces just started falling. I
Speaker 1: think j J left next, then Jamal left, cool JJS.
Speaker 1: Cool J was someone I didn't like until I play
Speaker 1: with and that I love JJ. He's the reason that
Speaker 1: I did. I tell you this. He's the reason why
Speaker 1: why I got rid of all my ice style watches.
Speaker 1: Was he because he came in there one day, would
Speaker 1: have watched just playing looking watch and it was one
Speaker 1: of the most expensive watches, one of the most nicest
Speaker 1: watch ever, and he told me what my watch was
Speaker 1: really worth. I stopped wearing. I stop watches. He respectfully
Speaker 1: just shot on your watch, shut me down, laughing at me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, but giving me a game
Speaker 1: at the same time, shout out j just cooler ship.
Speaker 1: But I just think there was you know, and when
Speaker 1: I talked to guys on their way out, you know,
Speaker 1: there was just a lot of grumbling, and like I said,
Speaker 1: I think it had a lot to do with all
Speaker 1: the hats Doc was wearing. But I think that's where,
Speaker 1: you know, they're back on top now with you know,
Speaker 1: with the chance to win a championship. And I think
Speaker 1: it's good because now they have management in place and
Speaker 1: gems and play some presidents in place, and Doc can
Speaker 1: do what he does best. Doc is a great coach,
Speaker 1: some hell of assistant coaches around, the great supporting cast,
Speaker 1: but just a great motivator. You know, a coach that's
Speaker 1: been a player and had a successful career in as
Speaker 1: a player. So he understands us and understands what's more important,
Speaker 1: and he understands that the games are more important than practice.
Speaker 1: And he really caters to his guys, and he's big
Speaker 1: on sleep. So Doc hands yeah, dr doct yeah hands
Speaker 1: so uh but just see, I definitely just a missed opportunity.
Speaker 1: I feel that was like kind of my one. Damn,
Speaker 1: what the funk are we thinking? Like when I look
Speaker 1: back on my career, there's no way that we shouldn't
Speaker 1: have won at least one championship with that team. So
Speaker 1: round to your second go round with the Spurs first.
Speaker 1: When you win the championship, contract negotiations don't go how
Speaker 1: you want them to go. You choose to keep it pushing.
Speaker 1: Get traded back there. In two thousand and twelve from
Speaker 1: Milwaukee up to one. We have to one against Okay,
Speaker 1: up too, oh against Okay. See, let you tell it.
Speaker 1: Tony Park was going for m v P. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you know, things were going smooth. We were playing
Speaker 1: together the first two games of that series. Um, we're
Speaker 1: at San Antonio, we go up to Oh, everybody's happy. Uh,
Speaker 1: I think me and Kauai. We're playing decent defense on
Speaker 1: Katie and James. You know, we were kind of holding
Speaker 1: them down. Ship just went south. We get we get
Speaker 1: to game three and Tony Parker basically stopped trusting us.
Speaker 1: He was making real late passes and give James hard
Speaker 1: and credit. He just turned it up. He went crazy,
Speaker 1: you know, he went crazy in some games, and Katie
Speaker 1: was solid that. Katie was the best player, you know,
Speaker 1: on the floor almost every night. But we took him
Speaker 1: to game six after after they won three in a row.
Speaker 1: We in game six and you can listen to the announcers,
Speaker 1: Tony Parker has Stephen Jackson wide open. Tony Parker miss
Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson again, like it's so obvious. During the course
Speaker 1: of the the year, you hear announced to say this, like
Speaker 1: I knew it, but people didn't. People didn't want to
Speaker 1: address Tony looking me off. So well, I mean, what happened,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean what what what was the disconnect
Speaker 1: with Well? I think I just think he became real selfish.
Speaker 1: You know, Um, Tim was slowing down. He felt like
Speaker 1: he had to do more, but that wasn't the case.
Speaker 1: You nobody was still good. You had Kauai coming into
Speaker 1: his own. I was still be able to knock downshot.
Speaker 1: So I think he stopped trusting us, you know. I
Speaker 1: I even remember after game six, I'm sitting on the
Speaker 1: floor man Kauai, sitting side by side, and Tim came
Speaker 1: put his hand on over because you know, we played
Speaker 1: our ass off and they know that Tony was forcing ship.
Speaker 1: And I can show you on film. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's it's it's right, it's documented. But I
Speaker 1: remember setting the locker room and and Pop came in
Speaker 1: locker room and put his hand on on my should
Speaker 1: when men come over swire days, like we did everything
Speaker 1: we could. We just didn't trust each other. He didn't
Speaker 1: want to say Tony didn't trust us. We that's you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But we all knew when he
Speaker 1: said that. We all knew, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I could have had another championship. I could have
Speaker 1: had another another championship. Man. That year, we was two
Speaker 1: games away from making it to the finals, and we
Speaker 1: was gonna win that ship. So okay. So he eventually
Speaker 1: lost to Miami right in the finals. Yeah, okay. So
Speaker 1: following season two thousand, thirteen, fifty five games in the
Speaker 1: season right before really not playing. He throw me in
Speaker 1: their garbage minutes and you know, throwing me in and out,
Speaker 1: you know, and what what people don't know, Matt and
Speaker 1: you know this, And they was doing this to Carmelo.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm on Carmelo level, but scores and
Speaker 1: guys that play off rhythm and stuff. You can't throw
Speaker 1: them in four minutes in the third quarter and expect
Speaker 1: him to do an instant spark. You can't throw them
Speaker 1: in two minutes in the fourth quarter to expect them
Speaker 1: to throw an instant spark like always be ready and
Speaker 1: expect him to come out and play. Well, that's the
Speaker 1: situations they throw you in to make you look like
Speaker 1: k play. This is what they did Mellow and got
Speaker 1: him out the way. So Papa was doing that to
Speaker 1: me the whole season. You know, he'll throw me in there.
Speaker 1: You know, I never know when I'm gonna play, you know.
Speaker 1: And it was different from the year before. You know,
Speaker 1: I just came off playing well on the finals and
Speaker 1: the West Corfence Finals. So he was doing that all
Speaker 1: year and I didn't understand, you know why I wasn't
Speaker 1: just getting an opportunity to play. I was playing great
Speaker 1: and practice. I was busting my teammates ass and practice.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You can ask Kauai. They'll
Speaker 1: tell you. I had no reason not to be playing
Speaker 1: the way he was playing. Man, the spracery was playing me.
Speaker 1: I couldn't play my best best basketball because I was
Speaker 1: I'm a really guy, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: it didn't look good for a while. Who were you
Speaker 1: playing behind at the time. That was a young Kauai,
Speaker 1: Danny Green and back. I'm playing behind all of them.
Speaker 1: I remember you hit me on the bus where he
Speaker 1: was in New Orleans and I've seen you and just
Speaker 1: got released. I'm like, what the fun the playoffs? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that ship was crazy. Man. I remember coming
Speaker 1: out of practice. I had a great practice. You know
Speaker 1: how I practice. If I hit a three on somebody, bitch,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But it ain't personal. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Get your grass up, That's how
Speaker 1: I'm talking. I'm probably the only person in Spurs history
Speaker 1: that practice like that. You know, maybe Mario Elio or
Speaker 1: somebody like that. You know what I'm saying. But I'm
Speaker 1: the only one in Spurs history that practice like that
Speaker 1: Tim was. Tim loved it. Tim Duncan loved it. He
Speaker 1: loved the way I played and all that. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's scared people. At the time we
Speaker 1: had a point going on team. His last name was
Speaker 1: the Coola. He loved me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But I hit a shot on him for for game
Speaker 1: win at practice like get a bit and pop like
Speaker 1: I saw that. He didn't say nothing, but I saw
Speaker 1: his face like come on, Jack, like, but this is
Speaker 1: how I played. I wasn't playing much, so my games
Speaker 1: was practices, you know what I mean. And it's just
Speaker 1: how I played. So I'm walking in the locker room.
Speaker 1: You know, I remember having I'm having a great I'm
Speaker 1: feeling good. You know, Tim coming and mask like great practice.
Speaker 1: And as I'm in the locker room, one of the
Speaker 1: trainers coming like Pop want to talk to you in
Speaker 1: the film room. That's like getting called to the principles.
Speaker 1: But I'm not feeling that. I'm thinking he's Ben telling
Speaker 1: me great practice is going. I'm gonna play like get
Speaker 1: your ship together, you know what I'm saying. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking. I go in there soon as I going,
Speaker 1: I see his face killed my whole moved. I want
Speaker 1: to just kick him in his face. When I saw
Speaker 1: his face, I just wanted to kick the ship out
Speaker 1: of him because I know this is not gonna go
Speaker 1: how I expect to you I expected to I sit down.
Speaker 1: He he had play on the film scram. He got
Speaker 1: all the highlights of me fucking up in the last
Speaker 1: three or four games. My worst possessions, Jackie. He was
Speaker 1: throwing you in and out and you didn't have no Yeah,
Speaker 1: he found my worst possessions of life. He probably found
Speaker 1: him when I was four years old, the worst possessions
Speaker 1: ever and played him on the tape from me and
Speaker 1: was like, Jackie, have been playing well the I know
Speaker 1: you had a great practice today. I want to bring um,
Speaker 1: Danny Green and the Genova the rest is guys in
Speaker 1: and I want you to admit that these guys are
Speaker 1: better than you because I'm gonna play. I'm going to
Speaker 1: the playoffs. He brought them in the office. He brought
Speaker 1: me in there and told me he was going to
Speaker 1: bring them in there. In there for me to say that.
Speaker 1: This one thing about Pop the smartest coach I've ever
Speaker 1: played for. He's calculated. Everything he does is calculated. I
Speaker 1: know this guy. I respect him too much, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I can never say nothing bad about him.
Speaker 1: He gave him my opportunity to win all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I love Pop. He was like a father to me
Speaker 1: those years I was in San Antonio. But he knew
Speaker 1: what my response is gonna be before he asked me
Speaker 1: that question. So when he told me to, he was
Speaker 1: gonna bring the team, and he wanted me to admit
Speaker 1: that Danny Green and Janota was better than me in
Speaker 1: front of the whole team to help their compass going
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. I looked at him, I said, Pop,
Speaker 1: you know I ain't gonna say that. You might as
Speaker 1: well give me the rest of my money. I'm getting
Speaker 1: the up out of here, and I got up and
Speaker 1: walked out. Now listen, I got up and walked out.
Speaker 1: As I walked out, Tim, I see tim on on
Speaker 1: the table and he was like, Jack, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Like they don't wear about the Hilight you later? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying as I walked up. So this
Speaker 1: is how I always say. I know how pop smart
Speaker 1: Pop is and I know that everything he does is calculated.
Speaker 1: As I'm at home going to the house, I get
Speaker 1: a call from team Matt t Mac flying and don't
Speaker 1: ask me, well, what's going on? Something? He's flying in
Speaker 1: San Antonio, flying him in. He coming in right now,
Speaker 1: so that already was bringing team back in. So he
Speaker 1: was trying to set up. Oh wait, so he wanted me.
Speaker 1: He wanted me to set myself up by saying that
Speaker 1: in front of the team yourself, right, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And but but like I said, Pop knew
Speaker 1: the relationship we had. He had so much love for me.
Speaker 1: He couldn't come to terms just saying, Jack, I gotta
Speaker 1: release you. You know what I'm saying. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think the relationship we have, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think he wanted to do that. And that's why he
Speaker 1: tried to. He put me in that position because he
Speaker 1: knew I was gonna cut myself. No, I ain't saying
Speaker 1: but i'n't not to this day, Deantay, Why to till
Speaker 1: this day? I ain't saying nobody better than me. You
Speaker 1: gotta prove it. You know what I'm saying. And it
Speaker 1: ended bad, It into bad, and they end up losing
Speaker 1: the Miami. That's good for their ass because I would
Speaker 1: have got that rebound, you know what I'm saying, in
Speaker 1: the way I feel about real and I would have
Speaker 1: made sure I locked this ass up, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So, but you know, should happened for a reason.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't even think they played really
Speaker 1: gets game. Team make a chance to see what he
Speaker 1: can do. I remember that he did. He was in
Speaker 1: and out briefly, but it was fucked up, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because I was and then he did
Speaker 1: that well, I couldn't sign with another NBA team, you know,
Speaker 1: right for the playoffs where so he didn't want me
Speaker 1: to come back to huntum. And I don't blame h
Speaker 1: because that's what was gonna happen. I was gonna come
Speaker 1: back and bust his ass and he knew that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But it was just funked up
Speaker 1: how it happened. And that and I never played an
Speaker 1: NBA after that. It's a cold business because that the
Speaker 1: business of the business behind the scenes is dirty, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then it almost without knowing
Speaker 1: the whole story. You know, Pop is what he is.
Speaker 1: You know, are going to be arguably one of the
Speaker 1: greatest coaches, if not the greatest coaches ever. So if
Speaker 1: you can't make it work with people, really start thinking
Speaker 1: you're a problem, you know what I mean. So then,
Speaker 1: like you said, after that, you never played in the
Speaker 1: NBA again. Yeah, that little bullshit there with a month,
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks with the with the clips and
Speaker 1: that was it. But anytime you get cut right before
Speaker 1: the playoffs, that looks bad to every team, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That looks bad to every team. And
Speaker 1: to be cut from the Spurs right before the playoffs,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And and and I think Matt,
Speaker 1: that's what hurt me more than anything, the relationship me
Speaker 1: and Pop had, Like as smart as he is, this
Speaker 1: is ruining me. Pop, Like, regardless of how you feel
Speaker 1: about what you're trying to do to win games, this
Speaker 1: is sucking up my career, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't think he ever thought about that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But I but I I heard somebody
Speaker 1: asked him about and he said he regret how he
Speaker 1: handled that, you know what I'm saying, which which I respect,
Speaker 1: because you know, I had a lot of game left,
Speaker 1: you know, I had to go punish the Big three
Speaker 1: the next couple of years, because you know, if POP
Speaker 1: say you don't belong in the lead, trust me, a
Speaker 1: lot of teams can be like you don't belong in
Speaker 1: the league. It's tough, tough way to go out for
Speaker 1: my career. I mean, we've had, like I said, a
Speaker 1: very similar pass um. I bounced around until I really
Speaker 1: felt like you know, there was one particular situation where
Speaker 1: I felt like, Okay, damn, I've arrived. I'm an NBA player.
Speaker 1: I'm here to stay. You touched on that early on
Speaker 1: and in your your running for the finals with San
Speaker 1: Antonio the first time in two thousand and three, What
Speaker 1: was that moment where you felt like, Okay, fuck, I'm here,
Speaker 1: I'm here to stay. Let's set up shop. When we
Speaker 1: landed in Seattle, I had my family, A big part
Speaker 1: of my family is in Seattle, and they had I
Speaker 1: think I said, not to cut you off. I missed
Speaker 1: the NBA's nose how he used to love. But remember
Speaker 1: did we go? Did we play Seattle? Remember my family restaurant,
Speaker 1: Cafish Corner that took the team too. So the that
Speaker 1: day was my first time meeting my family. When I
Speaker 1: was playing with San Antonio and the NBA and I
Speaker 1: had him come to the game. I was having him
Speaker 1: come to the game, so I brought the whole team
Speaker 1: that David Robinson went eight the day before the game.
Speaker 1: The two weeks after that, I've been playing well. I
Speaker 1: was coming off the bench. I was playing well. I
Speaker 1: was averaging like Ship sixteen seventeen off the bench, and
Speaker 1: Papa starting to play me more and more and more.
Speaker 1: This is one reason why I love Pop because this
Speaker 1: opportunity that he gave me. We go to shoot around
Speaker 1: and the next and we go back to the hotel
Speaker 1: to shoot around and Pop caused me up to his room.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the principal office feeling. I had went
Speaker 1: out the night before and got into some ship with
Speaker 1: Rochard Lewis. Well, we end up getting to a little
Speaker 1: fight at the club and it never hit the media.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Sean Lewis. We did some crazy ship
Speaker 1: at night for social media though, hey social media, no
Speaker 1: listen if social media was there. And the ship we
Speaker 1: did that night, we was in jail. We was in jail.
Speaker 1: We was in jail. We were squadding that night. So
Speaker 1: I'm automatically thinking this thing came out right. So I
Speaker 1: didn't hear nothing that shooting around. But when I got me,
Speaker 1: I get back to my room, he called me to
Speaker 1: us room. So this automatical what I'm thinking about. I
Speaker 1: get to his room. Tim in there something ship. But
Speaker 1: tim tim whole vibe was, you know, wolf Pack all
Speaker 1: ship he'd be doing. We played paintball together. We have
Speaker 1: a team called with the wolf Pack, so he's doing
Speaker 1: his little wolf pack ship. So that kind of you know,
Speaker 1: helped me. I live. So when I sit down, Pop, like,
Speaker 1: you didn't do nothing wrong because I'm sitting there, like
Speaker 1: you always feel guilty what I don't? Black man, we
Speaker 1: pet guilty all the time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Asked me why I don't skate because ship. I've been
Speaker 1: skating with the Nce my whole life. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But I sit down probably like Jackie, all right,
Speaker 1: you know you didn't do nothing. He's like, you've been
Speaker 1: playing well. I talked to him, I think it's time
Speaker 1: that we start you. We're gonna put you and start lineup.
Speaker 1: Who was starting at the time, Steve Smith O G
Speaker 1: Steve Smith and at the time he was my big brother,
Speaker 1: like he was everything to me on that team, taught
Speaker 1: me everything. He showed me how to get loose for
Speaker 1: the game, how to dress west suit, how to be
Speaker 1: a professional, everything about how to how to pre game. Everything.
Speaker 1: He taught me everything. And him and his wife at
Speaker 1: the time, you know, that was my third year in
Speaker 1: the league, so him and his wife were like my
Speaker 1: big brother and big sister. They used to vipe me
Speaker 1: over the cook for me and all kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: make sure I have stuff at the house. When he
Speaker 1: told me that, I was excited. But my whole time
Speaker 1: thing is, damn, I'm gonna tell the o g to
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and took his spot. That's
Speaker 1: not my intentions. But I'm you know, I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to play. I'm just trying to hoot. So when he
Speaker 1: tells me, I'm it's a bit of sweet feeling. So um,
Speaker 1: I'm excited. But when I get to the game, you
Speaker 1: know we're talking about feeling like I belong. When I
Speaker 1: get to the game, I walk in the locker room
Speaker 1: and I see Steve Smith as I locked us right
Speaker 1: by to all the time, and I'm trying to sneak bying.
Speaker 1: So because I don't want to address it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and he felt it because Noman, I mean,
Speaker 1: what's up? You know what I'm saying. So as I
Speaker 1: was sneaking bying, he turned around like he's like young Fellers.
Speaker 1: We call me young Feller. The same personal between me
Speaker 1: and you. Go out there, do what you've been doing,
Speaker 1: the same personal between you. We know what's going on.
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for you. I'm your biggest fan, just like
Speaker 1: you've been mine. That's what that gave me the feeling
Speaker 1: like I belong Okay, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: now I'm I'm gonna start, Especially someone like Steve Smith
Speaker 1: gave me the okay I belonged, telling me he's like,
Speaker 1: you've been playing well, you deserve to be starting at
Speaker 1: that moment. You know what I'm saying, Okay, I belong here.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And I owe that to
Speaker 1: Steve Smith. That's what's up. My situation was. I mean,
Speaker 1: I bounced around um team. The team didn't get a
Speaker 1: chance to really play. Do you remember how many teams
Speaker 1: you tried that you got a job too. It was
Speaker 1: only two. I didn't get my like myself, So my
Speaker 1: second round draft pick drafted, traded draft day, so I'm traded.
Speaker 1: I drafted in Memphis, traded to Cleveland. John Lucas, the
Speaker 1: head coach, didn't really get a chance cut early on
Speaker 1: in the process, go to the D League for the
Speaker 1: whole year, grind running to another coach's son's position. I
Speaker 1: get hurt the coach of son takes my spot. So
Speaker 1: then I'm spotting playing in the D League. So I'm
Speaker 1: not doing the D League ship again. So then I
Speaker 1: go to this a b ah, We're playing my games
Speaker 1: in Mexico and all kinds of ship. And uh, that's
Speaker 1: when I actually played with Dennis Romin for like two weeks.
Speaker 1: How was that I only got to play with I
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to funk with Bro like I
Speaker 1: wanted to. But you know that, I get caught up
Speaker 1: to the Clippers have a cooler to run. Start playing
Speaker 1: on a ten day get to ten days. I'm signed.
Speaker 1: But this is right at the beginning when Sacramento and
Speaker 1: the King Sacramento Kings versus of Lakers is like a
Speaker 1: big rivalry. So I'm always going home in the summer
Speaker 1: fucking C Webb and Jay Will and working out with
Speaker 1: these dudes. I'm just like, fuck, I would be working
Speaker 1: out of Arcole the whole summer, and then Rick Adaman
Speaker 1: is just like, you know what you got going on?
Speaker 1: It's like it's kind of up in the air. I
Speaker 1: knew we were talking to going back to the Clippers
Speaker 1: for a two year deal, but I was like, shot,
Speaker 1: if I can go home and play with my hometown team,
Speaker 1: why they're dope, It's a no brainer. So I end
Speaker 1: up signing dealing sack Uh. Season doesn't start off the
Speaker 1: way it's supposed to. They ended up trading Chris Webber
Speaker 1: and I was just a throwing So I go to
Speaker 1: Webb to Philly two and a half years, don't really
Speaker 1: get a chance to play. It's when I run into
Speaker 1: punk As Moe Cheeks and have all this built up
Speaker 1: fire and hostility just because I haven't got a chance
Speaker 1: to play. I think there's so many people that just
Speaker 1: don't get a chance to play and they get washed
Speaker 1: out the league. So I'm coming into the two thousand
Speaker 1: sixth season working out for football in the summertime because
Speaker 1: my brother played football, still working out basketball, but like
Speaker 1: fucking I'm gonna try to make a jump to the NFL.
Speaker 1: We had lined up some NFL tryouts um for me
Speaker 1: if this basketball thing didn't work, then bar Davis hits
Speaker 1: me like, Yo, we're we got open gym down here
Speaker 1: in Oakland today if you want to playoffs in Sacramento.
Speaker 1: So you know, just happened to drive down, made that
Speaker 1: little push down to the bay playing this open gym
Speaker 1: um play well, not knowing that Nelly was upstairs and
Speaker 1: watched us. So when we're done, Nelly comes down, puts
Speaker 1: his arm around me, like, hey, you know what you
Speaker 1: got going on? Where you're going to camp at this day.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know. I don't have a job,
Speaker 1: and he's just like, okay, well, I can't promise you anything.
Speaker 1: You know, we got sixteen guarantees already, were gonna hate
Speaker 1: a few people to come to camp just to fill
Speaker 1: out the roster. Then I can't promise you a spot,
Speaker 1: but if you play like you played today, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you a chance. So I'm like, okay, So this
Speaker 1: is the first time a coach has had that like
Speaker 1: enough time to even talk to me, really recognized me.
Speaker 1: But it almost sounded, you know, he just gave me
Speaker 1: that little bit of convince that I needed. So I
Speaker 1: go into camp do what I gotta do. They end
Speaker 1: up cutting two dudes, cut the dudes they just brought
Speaker 1: to camp, and I make the team. So I start
Speaker 1: off on the bench and kind of work my way
Speaker 1: into playing and then playing a lot. And there was
Speaker 1: a little run there. I got hot. I had like
Speaker 1: two or three games in a row where I was
Speaker 1: over twenty if I'm not mistaken. And we come down
Speaker 1: in one city and you know how much Nelly smoked.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a sweatch, and it was cold. Nellie
Speaker 1: tried to give me his dusty ass jacket and smelled
Speaker 1: like a pound of motherfucking cigars, and I'm like, I'm cool,
Speaker 1: but he almost like bullied me into wearing it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I sat there and just
Speaker 1: wore his a little uh nasty as a little smoke jacket.
Speaker 1: But it was it was like right there, like this
Speaker 1: is the first time that the coach is like fucking
Speaker 1: with me and really giving me intention and showing that
Speaker 1: he believed in me. And that little bit of confidence
Speaker 1: was all I needed, you know. And then shortly after
Speaker 1: that is when you guys got traded to our team.
Speaker 1: You know, I knew I had another smoking buddy. And
Speaker 1: you know, we made history and that three two and
Speaker 1: a half months span, but that's really after you know,
Speaker 1: almost bouncing around four four to five seasons. That's where
Speaker 1: I knew it. I was like, okay, and you know
Speaker 1: that's when we made this We Believe run. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to become a household name. You couldn't tell
Speaker 1: us that even though it was only the first round,
Speaker 1: we didn't win, felt like we won the championship and
Speaker 1: we was. But you know what the crazy part was
Speaker 1: was it was a bitter sweet situation with Nelly because
Speaker 1: in similar with you with Pop, Like even though they
Speaker 1: really gave us our first opportunity, they took it from
Speaker 1: us too. They took it from us too, and people
Speaker 1: don't know, like my ship was sucked up. So I
Speaker 1: come off this We Believe seasons. So basically I was
Speaker 1: about to be out the NBA. Nelly gives me a
Speaker 1: chance play. Well, so I started hearing, Okay, hey man,
Speaker 1: you're about to get this twenty thirty million dollar contract.
Speaker 1: You know you need to get a bigger name. Agents
Speaker 1: are fire made. I'm just listening to all the hype.
Speaker 1: Fire my agent whatever, get a different agent. I heard
Speaker 1: there was a deal that he dropped the ball on.
Speaker 1: So then it comes back to where Nelly is offering
Speaker 1: me a three year, twelve million dollar deal. So I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking, like, damn, that's low. You know how you
Speaker 1: was thinking Pop offered you to three year nine million.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, after what I did, and you know
Speaker 1: how Lett, now I finally get a chance to play,
Speaker 1: like I know I could be making more. So I
Speaker 1: ultimately turned that deal down, and the rest of free
Speaker 1: agency is getting watered down and the money's drying up.
Speaker 1: So then I end up taking a one year, four
Speaker 1: million dollar offer. Looking back on it after the fact,
Speaker 1: I saw it a lot clearly, but at the time,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm looking at it, It's just give
Speaker 1: me this one year deal. I'm an audition and then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a big payday. Not knowing that that
Speaker 1: next season is when my mom died right at the
Speaker 1: beginning of season the two that that following the week
Speaker 1: Belisee and she died diagnosed with cancer Nomber for first
Speaker 1: dies November only seven, So within the first twenty six
Speaker 1: days of the season, my mom died. So my season
Speaker 1: is shot. But I what I remember was, you know,
Speaker 1: just trying to get that magic back, and you guys
Speaker 1: were there helping me, trying to gas me up and
Speaker 1: get me going, and like nothing was happening. So I remember,
Speaker 1: I kind of started feeling better, was practicing better. Nellie
Speaker 1: pulls me to the side out in the back where
Speaker 1: he used to smoke in the parking lot and tells
Speaker 1: me straight to my face. I respected it, but I
Speaker 1: wanted to knock his old ass out. He said, I'm
Speaker 1: glad you're just signed your long term deal here. Your
Speaker 1: time here is up. And I'm like, hold up, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I just battled through all this ship. You know, my
Speaker 1: mom just died. I played the day after my mom died,
Speaker 1: and you got the motherfucking audacity to tell me that
Speaker 1: my time up is here. So I mean, I'm just
Speaker 1: thinking all this ship in my head. I shook my
Speaker 1: head and said okay, and that motherfucker's stuck to his word.
Speaker 1: Didn't play me at all anymore. And that was kind
Speaker 1: of that was kind of like the end of my
Speaker 1: run in my seat. And so although I owe a
Speaker 1: lot to Nelly initially because he gave me my opportunity,
Speaker 1: he also snatched that shift right from underneath me too
Speaker 1: at the same time and similar in your situation. He
Speaker 1: traded me too, though. It's just funny how he trade
Speaker 1: you though. Knocked on my door Milwaukee, knocked on my door.
Speaker 1: Smoke of a cig or I would a beer earlier
Speaker 1: the morning. Jack, How you doing this morning? Don't even
Speaker 1: come in my room. You don't want to be here.
Speaker 1: You want to send you to Charlotte. All right, stay
Speaker 1: in touch my body, hate me a hug and all that.
Speaker 1: Just walked off like you were like you were like
Speaker 1: his favorite. Though. My god, you negotiated your own contract
Speaker 1: with him? Yes, I did tell me about that. Well, well,
Speaker 1: it wasn't with him, it was with Bobby. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was had two years left on my contract. Um, I
Speaker 1: think I'm probably the only person to negotiate a three
Speaker 1: year extension with no college education, barely a high school education,
Speaker 1: barely a high school education. Do I did they get
Speaker 1: my diploma? Like about from high school? I did? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm after I'm a fact checking to that. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: but what was I talking about? Getting your own contract work?
Speaker 1: So I Bobby, Well, actually shout out to Nita. Nita
Speaker 1: preps me, that's the homer, So she preps she took,
Speaker 1: you know, because I didn't want to get no agent.
Speaker 1: And she like, you know, I need to, like need
Speaker 1: to really believe in me. Bro, Like she helped me
Speaker 1: do a lot of stuff when I was there, and
Speaker 1: my mom and her are still good friends. She's like,
Speaker 1: you don't even know Asian. You can represent yourself. You
Speaker 1: know what you're worth. Can't nobody tell you what you're
Speaker 1: worth better than you? Like it kind of makes sense, neither. Like,
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is show your numbers, your stats,
Speaker 1: and compare them to what everybody else making the their stats,
Speaker 1: and just see what he's saying. It's just a conversation.
Speaker 1: Take him to dinner, you know, we have a conversation
Speaker 1: with drinking a little bit, and I do exactly what
Speaker 1: she saved. Bro. Slide the status sheet. I slide the
Speaker 1: status sheet to him. All the players in my stats,
Speaker 1: I'm at the top, Mike read and all them my stats,
Speaker 1: killing theirs, making dubs, they make a twenty you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm like, I just want ten I
Speaker 1: just want ten to years. I want three years, thirty minute,
Speaker 1: that's all I want. You see what I'm doing, It's
Speaker 1: only fact, it's only right. I got two years left
Speaker 1: on my deal. So I'm just at the crap table
Speaker 1: shooting you got it, Jack, You got it, Bro, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about But as soon as he said, I'm texting Needle.
Speaker 1: We got it. We got it. We got on the
Speaker 1: phone and I couldn't believe it, Bro. But for what
Speaker 1: we've done for that year, I think we all deserved something,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We had all this and
Speaker 1: I was the last one there, me and Monte. He
Speaker 1: was the last one, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: he saw how I was filling with all y'all leaving,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, that's but that's
Speaker 1: when I told him I wanted to get traded right after,
Speaker 1: right after when Steph came. And Monte didn't like it either,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But if I would have
Speaker 1: my dumbass, if I had known this Chef Curry, I
Speaker 1: would have stayed then, you know what I'm saying, whatever
Speaker 1: fuck I wish I would have known Chef Curry was
Speaker 1: gonna be Chef Curry. Bro. But shout out to Nita again, Man,
Speaker 1: I was I was able to negotiate. I just had
Speaker 1: confidence to sit down with him and negotiate the contract.
Speaker 1: But the same GM, the Bobby that gave me my
Speaker 1: contract lied on me too a year later to Monte. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and our relationship ain't been the same since.
Speaker 1: No years has passed. You know, we go back a
Speaker 1: lot to go to State for the games, and somebody
Speaker 1: that still works in the organization told me that Bobby
Speaker 1: told him that I told him how he hurt his ankle. Oh,
Speaker 1: how he was on this really when I left by that,
Speaker 1: and our relationship has never been the same. Yeah, weak,
Speaker 1: asked Bobby. You know what I'm saying like that, that
Speaker 1: that ship was weak, that ship was where he was
Speaker 1: doing that because he was mad because I actually get
Speaker 1: traded after I got the extension. So that's what his
Speaker 1: way is getting. I'm like, that's bullshit, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Would be a dope shout out, Monte. I
Speaker 1: love you, bro, a little homie, little brother. He didn't
Speaker 1: have no tattoos. One night we got to Sacramento. Remember
Speaker 1: we was up in there getting blown and I had
Speaker 1: my tattoo artists come in and put nothing. I have
Speaker 1: my tattooed artists tattoo this same tattoo and the same
Speaker 1: Remember how much he was sweating when he getting in there, drinking, smoking, laughing.
Speaker 1: He was in there sweating like a motherfucker. He came
Speaker 1: back the next seasons bat chest everything like he just
Speaker 1: went in. He got more tattoos and all of young Monte.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think it would be dope. Is
Speaker 1: the behind like stories like this, like every our fans
Speaker 1: only get to see, you know, the finished product so
Speaker 1: and so science for this so and so science feather.
Speaker 1: They don't know the ins and outs of the other
Speaker 1: deals that failed, that the agents sunk up, that the
Speaker 1: GM lies on you, they cut you, they trade you.
Speaker 1: Like I said, they only see the bottom line of ESPN.
Speaker 1: So and so signed here. But I think it would
Speaker 1: be a dope if we can get like a collection
Speaker 1: of like crazy ass cut stories, trade stories, contract funk
Speaker 1: ups like the real stories. But since we own this,
Speaker 1: go to state, we got to do that. We believe.
Speaker 1: We definitely gotta do what we believe. We get all
Speaker 1: of us in here and talk about story. You gotta
Speaker 1: fly me Jack, Who else do we need to go? Me?
Speaker 1: You Monte al Baron to Mauie j Rich Ja Rich
Speaker 1: to Mauie to sit down on Nellie's uh cannabis farm.
Speaker 1: Mai got MAUI Wowie wowe. It's called Nellie Cush And
Speaker 1: we gotta go out there and tell this. We believe
Speaker 1: story man, because when we tell y'all legendary nights. He
Speaker 1: invited us out. He wants to come and try this product,
Speaker 1: and that would be the perfect time to talk about
Speaker 1: old memories. Him and I'll have some stuff to hash. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't like him, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 1: was a fallout with a couple of us. Wouldn't you
Speaker 1: be mad if he had you guarding yea? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we were small ball. I was our biggest dude,
Speaker 1: Like me and you were playing the four or five
Speaker 1: at time, like there's no way we're six eight, Like
Speaker 1: we found a way to slow down Dirk. But motherfucking
Speaker 1: y'all was seven. What it was, It was a game
Speaker 1: with me and you was guarding o'core and boozing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the four or five out both of them dudes outweighs
Speaker 1: by sixty pounds, and we still had our own their
Speaker 1: motherfucking rest cheated ya. I gotta guard us too, though,
Speaker 1: straight up? All right, man, that's a rap. Episode seven.
Speaker 1: All the smoke with my brother jack Man. Stay tuned, man.
Speaker 1: We got a hell of a lineup coming for y'all
Speaker 1: in December. Got some uh NBA legends coming through and
Speaker 1: some other creative people in the space that we're really
Speaker 1: excited to bring you, man, So thank you for tuning.
Speaker 1: In May, you can catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube
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Speaker 1: All up? We'll see y'all later. Peace. Jamal Charlo says
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Speaker 1: no way you can take my lion and that's me
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