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Speaker 1: middleweight championship on Showtime. Picture this late night. I'm riding

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Speaker 1: down a dark street and it's two naked chicks, right,

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Speaker 1: character right there. Uh. Episode seven, all the smoke, Welcome back,

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Speaker 1: my bren in mine, what's up my brother? This episode,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go in depth into me and uh Jack's

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Speaker 1: So today we're gonna talk about the last of a

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Speaker 1: dying bree, which was trash talking in the NBA. Me

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Speaker 1: and Jack caught the end of it. We missed the

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Speaker 1: greats like Gary Payton and guys like that that really

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Speaker 1: I wasn't really someone that talked. I kind of ruled

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Speaker 1: all y'all to watch NBA games. Half of them guys

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Speaker 1: So I knew that at times, and you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. We used to pup motherfucker's that we believed

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Speaker 1: So I used to do that to a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: So I got I finally got a post up on him,

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Speaker 1: So it just came to a point, like you said,

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Speaker 1: He wasn't wasn't someone who was very like a vocal

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Speaker 1: in two minutes in the fourth quarter to expect them

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00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 1: to throw an instant spark like always be ready and

428
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 1: expect him to come out and play. Well, that's the

429
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,600
Speaker 1: situations they throw you in to make you look like

430
00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 1: k play. This is what they did Mellow and got

431
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,240
Speaker 1: him out the way. So Papa was doing that to

432
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 1: me the whole season. You know, he'll throw me in there.

433
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 1: You know, I never know when I'm gonna play, you know.

434
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 1: And it was different from the year before. You know,

435
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 1: I just came off playing well on the finals and

436
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,480
Speaker 1: the West Corfence Finals. So he was doing that all

437
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 1: year and I didn't understand, you know why I wasn't

438
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 1: just getting an opportunity to play. I was playing great

439
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,360
Speaker 1: and practice. I was busting my teammates ass and practice.

440
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,480
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You can ask Kauai. They'll

441
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 1: tell you. I had no reason not to be playing

442
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 1: the way he was playing. Man, the spracery was playing me.

443
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't play my best best basketball because I was

444
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm a really guy, you know what I mean, And

445
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 1: it didn't look good for a while. Who were you

446
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 1: playing behind at the time. That was a young Kauai,

447
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:43,120
Speaker 1: Danny Green and back. I'm playing behind all of them.

448
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,440
Speaker 1: I remember you hit me on the bus where he

449
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 1: was in New Orleans and I've seen you and just

450
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 1: got released. I'm like, what the fun the playoffs? Yeah,

451
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 1: you know that ship was crazy. Man. I remember coming

452
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 1: out of practice. I had a great practice. You know

453
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 1: how I practice. If I hit a three on somebody, bitch,

454
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But it ain't personal. You

455
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Get your grass up, That's how

456
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm talking. I'm probably the only person in Spurs history

457
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,199
Speaker 1: that practice like that. You know, maybe Mario Elio or

458
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 1: somebody like that. You know what I'm saying. But I'm

459
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 1: the only one in Spurs history that practice like that

460
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 1: Tim was. Tim loved it. Tim Duncan loved it. He

461
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 1: loved the way I played and all that. You know

462
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's scared people. At the time we

463
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 1: had a point going on team. His last name was

464
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 1: the Coola. He loved me, you know what I mean.

465
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 1: But I hit a shot on him for for game

466
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 1: win at practice like get a bit and pop like

467
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 1: I saw that. He didn't say nothing, but I saw

468
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,199
Speaker 1: his face like come on, Jack, like, but this is

469
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 1: how I played. I wasn't playing much, so my games

470
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,199
Speaker 1: was practices, you know what I mean. And it's just

471
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 1: how I played. So I'm walking in the locker room.

472
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 1: You know, I remember having I'm having a great I'm

473
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: feeling good. You know, Tim coming and mask like great practice.

474
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 1: And as I'm in the locker room, one of the

475
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 1: trainers coming like Pop want to talk to you in

476
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: the film room. That's like getting called to the principles.

477
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 1: But I'm not feeling that. I'm thinking he's Ben telling

478
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 1: me great practice is going. I'm gonna play like get

479
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 1: your ship together, you know what I'm saying. That's what

480
00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm thinking. I go in there soon as I going,

481
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 1: I see his face killed my whole moved. I want

482
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 1: to just kick him in his face. When I saw

483
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: his face, I just wanted to kick the ship out

484
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,239
Speaker 1: of him because I know this is not gonna go

485
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 1: how I expect to you I expected to I sit down.

486
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 1: He he had play on the film scram. He got

487
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: all the highlights of me fucking up in the last

488
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 1: three or four games. My worst possessions, Jackie. He was

489
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: throwing you in and out and you didn't have no Yeah,

490
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: he found my worst possessions of life. He probably found

491
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 1: him when I was four years old, the worst possessions

492
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 1: ever and played him on the tape from me and

493
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: was like, Jackie, have been playing well the I know

494
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: you had a great practice today. I want to bring um,

495
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 1: Danny Green and the Genova the rest is guys in

496
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 1: and I want you to admit that these guys are

497
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: better than you because I'm gonna play. I'm going to

498
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: the playoffs. He brought them in the office. He brought

499
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 1: me in there and told me he was going to

500
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: bring them in there. In there for me to say that.

501
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: This one thing about Pop the smartest coach I've ever

502
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: played for. He's calculated. Everything he does is calculated. I

503
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: know this guy. I respect him too much, you know

504
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: what I mean. I can never say nothing bad about him.

505
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: He gave him my opportunity to win all that stuff.

506
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: I love Pop. He was like a father to me

507
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: those years I was in San Antonio. But he knew

508
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: what my response is gonna be before he asked me

509
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: that question. So when he told me to, he was

510
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: gonna bring the team, and he wanted me to admit

511
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: that Danny Green and Janota was better than me in

512
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: front of the whole team to help their compass going

513
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. I looked at him, I said, Pop,

514
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: you know I ain't gonna say that. You might as

515
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: well give me the rest of my money. I'm getting

516
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: the up out of here, and I got up and

517
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: walked out. Now listen, I got up and walked out.

518
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: As I walked out, Tim, I see tim on on

519
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: the table and he was like, Jack, what's going on?

520
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: Like they don't wear about the Hilight you later? You

521
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying as I walked up. So this

522
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: is how I always say. I know how pop smart

523
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: Pop is and I know that everything he does is calculated.

524
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: As I'm at home going to the house, I get

525
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: a call from team Matt t Mac flying and don't

526
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: ask me, well, what's going on? Something? He's flying in

527
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 1: San Antonio, flying him in. He coming in right now,

528
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: so that already was bringing team back in. So he

529
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 1: was trying to set up. Oh wait, so he wanted me.

530
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: He wanted me to set myself up by saying that

531
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: in front of the team yourself, right, you know what

532
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And but but like I said, Pop knew

533
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: the relationship we had. He had so much love for me.

534
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: He couldn't come to terms just saying, Jack, I gotta

535
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: release you. You know what I'm saying. I don't. I

536
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: don't think the relationship we have, I don't. I don't

537
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: think he wanted to do that. And that's why he

538
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: tried to. He put me in that position because he

539
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: knew I was gonna cut myself. No, I ain't saying

540
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: but i'n't not to this day, Deantay, Why to till

541
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: this day? I ain't saying nobody better than me. You

542
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: gotta prove it. You know what I'm saying. And it

543
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: ended bad, It into bad, and they end up losing

544
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: the Miami. That's good for their ass because I would

545
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: have got that rebound, you know what I'm saying, in

546
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: the way I feel about real and I would have

547
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: made sure I locked this ass up, you know what

548
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean. So, but you know, should happened for a reason.

549
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't even think they played really

550
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: gets game. Team make a chance to see what he

551
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: can do. I remember that he did. He was in

552
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: and out briefly, but it was fucked up, you know

553
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because I was and then he did

554
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: that well, I couldn't sign with another NBA team, you know,

555
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: right for the playoffs where so he didn't want me

556
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: to come back to huntum. And I don't blame h

557
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: because that's what was gonna happen. I was gonna come

558
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: back and bust his ass and he knew that, you

559
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But it was just funked up

560
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: how it happened. And that and I never played an

561
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: NBA after that. It's a cold business because that the

562
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: business of the business behind the scenes is dirty, you

563
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then it almost without knowing

564
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: the whole story. You know, Pop is what he is.

565
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: You know, are going to be arguably one of the

566
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: greatest coaches, if not the greatest coaches ever. So if

567
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: you can't make it work with people, really start thinking

568
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: you're a problem, you know what I mean. So then,

569
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: like you said, after that, you never played in the

570
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: NBA again. Yeah, that little bullshit there with a month,

571
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks with the with the clips and

572
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: that was it. But anytime you get cut right before

573
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: the playoffs, that looks bad to every team, you know

574
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That looks bad to every team. And

575
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: to be cut from the Spurs right before the playoffs,

576
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And and and I think Matt,

577
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: that's what hurt me more than anything, the relationship me

578
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: and Pop had, Like as smart as he is, this

579
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: is ruining me. Pop, Like, regardless of how you feel

580
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: about what you're trying to do to win games, this

581
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: is sucking up my career, you know what I mean.

582
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: I don't think he ever thought about that, you know

583
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But I but I I heard somebody

584
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: asked him about and he said he regret how he

585
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: handled that, you know what I'm saying, which which I respect,

586
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: because you know, I had a lot of game left,

587
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, I had to go punish the Big three

588
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: the next couple of years, because you know, if POP

589
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: say you don't belong in the lead, trust me, a

590
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: lot of teams can be like you don't belong in

591
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: the league. It's tough, tough way to go out for

592
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: my career. I mean, we've had, like I said, a

593
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: very similar pass um. I bounced around until I really

594
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: felt like you know, there was one particular situation where

595
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: I felt like, Okay, damn, I've arrived. I'm an NBA player.

596
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm here to stay. You touched on that early on

597
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: and in your your running for the finals with San

598
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: Antonio the first time in two thousand and three, What

599
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: was that moment where you felt like, Okay, fuck, I'm here,

600
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm here to stay. Let's set up shop. When we

601
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: landed in Seattle, I had my family, A big part

602
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: of my family is in Seattle, and they had I

603
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: think I said, not to cut you off. I missed

604
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: the NBA's nose how he used to love. But remember

605
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: did we go? Did we play Seattle? Remember my family restaurant,

606
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: Cafish Corner that took the team too. So the that

607
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: day was my first time meeting my family. When I

608
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: was playing with San Antonio and the NBA and I

609
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: had him come to the game. I was having him

610
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: come to the game, so I brought the whole team

611
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: that David Robinson went eight the day before the game.

612
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: The two weeks after that, I've been playing well. I

613
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: was coming off the bench. I was playing well. I

614
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: was averaging like Ship sixteen seventeen off the bench, and

615
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: Papa starting to play me more and more and more.

616
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 1: This is one reason why I love Pop because this

617
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: opportunity that he gave me. We go to shoot around

618
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: and the next and we go back to the hotel

619
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: to shoot around and Pop caused me up to his room.

620
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's the principal office feeling. I had went

621
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: out the night before and got into some ship with

622
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: Rochard Lewis. Well, we end up getting to a little

623
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: fight at the club and it never hit the media.

624
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: Shout out to Sean Lewis. We did some crazy ship

625
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: at night for social media though, hey social media, no

626
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: listen if social media was there. And the ship we

627
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: did that night, we was in jail. We was in jail.

628
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: We was in jail. We were squadding that night. So

629
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm automatically thinking this thing came out right. So I

630
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: didn't hear nothing that shooting around. But when I got me,

631
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: I get back to my room, he called me to

632
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: us room. So this automatical what I'm thinking about. I

633
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: get to his room. Tim in there something ship. But

634
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: tim tim whole vibe was, you know, wolf Pack all

635
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: ship he'd be doing. We played paintball together. We have

636
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: a team called with the wolf Pack, so he's doing

637
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: his little wolf pack ship. So that kind of you know,

638
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: helped me. I live. So when I sit down, Pop, like,

639
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: you didn't do nothing wrong because I'm sitting there, like

640
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: you always feel guilty what I don't? Black man, we

641
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: pet guilty all the time, you know what I mean.

642
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: Asked me why I don't skate because ship. I've been

643
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: skating with the Nce my whole life. You know what

644
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But I sit down probably like Jackie, all right,

645
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: you know you didn't do nothing. He's like, you've been

646
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: playing well. I talked to him, I think it's time

647
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: that we start you. We're gonna put you and start lineup.

648
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: Who was starting at the time, Steve Smith O G

649
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: Steve Smith and at the time he was my big brother,

650
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: like he was everything to me on that team, taught

651
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 1: me everything. He showed me how to get loose for

652
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: the game, how to dress west suit, how to be

653
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: a professional, everything about how to how to pre game. Everything.

654
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: He taught me everything. And him and his wife at

655
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: the time, you know, that was my third year in

656
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: the league, so him and his wife were like my

657
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: big brother and big sister. They used to vipe me

658
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: over the cook for me and all kind of stuff,

659
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: make sure I have stuff at the house. When he

660
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: told me that, I was excited. But my whole time

661
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: thing is, damn, I'm gonna tell the o g to

662
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and took his spot. That's

663
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: not my intentions. But I'm you know, I'm just trying

664
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: to play. I'm just trying to hoot. So when he

665
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: tells me, I'm it's a bit of sweet feeling. So um,

666
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm excited. But when I get to the game, you

667
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: know we're talking about feeling like I belong. When I

668
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: get to the game, I walk in the locker room

669
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: and I see Steve Smith as I locked us right

670
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: by to all the time, and I'm trying to sneak bying.

671
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: So because I don't want to address it, you know

672
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and he felt it because Noman, I mean,

673
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: what's up? You know what I'm saying. So as I

674
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 1: was sneaking bying, he turned around like he's like young Fellers.

675
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: We call me young Feller. The same personal between me

676
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: and you. Go out there, do what you've been doing,

677
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: the same personal between you. We know what's going on.

678
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for you. I'm your biggest fan, just like

679
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: you've been mine. That's what that gave me the feeling

680
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: like I belong Okay, you know what I'm saying, Like

681
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: now I'm I'm gonna start, Especially someone like Steve Smith

682
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: gave me the okay I belonged, telling me he's like,

683
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: you've been playing well, you deserve to be starting at

684
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: that moment. You know what I'm saying, Okay, I belong here.

685
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And I owe that to

686
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: Steve Smith. That's what's up. My situation was. I mean,

687
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: I bounced around um team. The team didn't get a

688
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: chance to really play. Do you remember how many teams

689
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: you tried that you got a job too. It was

690
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: only two. I didn't get my like myself, So my

691
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: second round draft pick drafted, traded draft day, so I'm traded.

692
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: I drafted in Memphis, traded to Cleveland. John Lucas, the

693
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: head coach, didn't really get a chance cut early on

694
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: in the process, go to the D League for the

695
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: whole year, grind running to another coach's son's position. I

696
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: get hurt the coach of son takes my spot. So

697
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: then I'm spotting playing in the D League. So I'm

698
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: not doing the D League ship again. So then I

699
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: go to this a b ah, We're playing my games

700
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: in Mexico and all kinds of ship. And uh, that's

701
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: when I actually played with Dennis Romin for like two weeks.

702
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: How was that I only got to play with I

703
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to funk with Bro like I

704
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: wanted to. But you know that, I get caught up

705
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: to the Clippers have a cooler to run. Start playing

706
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: on a ten day get to ten days. I'm signed.

707
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: But this is right at the beginning when Sacramento and

708
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: the King Sacramento Kings versus of Lakers is like a

709
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: big rivalry. So I'm always going home in the summer

710
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: fucking C Webb and Jay Will and working out with

711
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: these dudes. I'm just like, fuck, I would be working

712
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: out of Arcole the whole summer, and then Rick Adaman

713
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: is just like, you know what you got going on?

714
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: It's like it's kind of up in the air. I

715
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: knew we were talking to going back to the Clippers

716
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: for a two year deal, but I was like, shot,

717
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: if I can go home and play with my hometown team,

718
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 1: why they're dope, It's a no brainer. So I end

719
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: up signing dealing sack Uh. Season doesn't start off the

720
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: way it's supposed to. They ended up trading Chris Webber

721
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: and I was just a throwing So I go to

722
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: Webb to Philly two and a half years, don't really

723
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: get a chance to play. It's when I run into

724
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: punk As Moe Cheeks and have all this built up

725
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: fire and hostility just because I haven't got a chance

726
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: to play. I think there's so many people that just

727
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: don't get a chance to play and they get washed

728
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: out the league. So I'm coming into the two thousand

729
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: sixth season working out for football in the summertime because

730
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: my brother played football, still working out basketball, but like

731
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: fucking I'm gonna try to make a jump to the NFL.

732
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: We had lined up some NFL tryouts um for me

733
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: if this basketball thing didn't work, then bar Davis hits

734
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: me like, Yo, we're we got open gym down here

735
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: in Oakland today if you want to playoffs in Sacramento.

736
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: So you know, just happened to drive down, made that

737
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: little push down to the bay playing this open gym

738
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: um play well, not knowing that Nelly was upstairs and

739
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: watched us. So when we're done, Nelly comes down, puts

740
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: his arm around me, like, hey, you know what you

741
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: got going on? Where you're going to camp at this day.

742
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know. I don't have a job,

743
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: and he's just like, okay, well, I can't promise you anything.

744
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 1: You know, we got sixteen guarantees already, were gonna hate

745
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: a few people to come to camp just to fill

746
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: out the roster. Then I can't promise you a spot,

747
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: but if you play like you played today, I'm gonna

748
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: give you a chance. So I'm like, okay, So this

749
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: is the first time a coach has had that like

750
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: enough time to even talk to me, really recognized me.

751
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: But it almost sounded, you know, he just gave me

752
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: that little bit of convince that I needed. So I

753
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: go into camp do what I gotta do. They end

754
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: up cutting two dudes, cut the dudes they just brought

755
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: to camp, and I make the team. So I start

756
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: off on the bench and kind of work my way

757
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: into playing and then playing a lot. And there was

758
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: a little run there. I got hot. I had like

759
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: two or three games in a row where I was

760
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: over twenty if I'm not mistaken. And we come down

761
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: in one city and you know how much Nelly smoked.

762
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: I didn't have a sweatch, and it was cold. Nellie

763
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: tried to give me his dusty ass jacket and smelled

764
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: like a pound of motherfucking cigars, and I'm like, I'm cool,

765
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: but he almost like bullied me into wearing it, you

766
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I sat there and just

767
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: wore his a little uh nasty as a little smoke jacket.

768
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: But it was it was like right there, like this

769
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: is the first time that the coach is like fucking

770
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: with me and really giving me intention and showing that

771
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: he believed in me. And that little bit of confidence

772
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: was all I needed, you know. And then shortly after

773
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: that is when you guys got traded to our team.

774
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: You know, I knew I had another smoking buddy. And

775
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: you know, we made history and that three two and

776
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: a half months span, but that's really after you know,

777
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: almost bouncing around four four to five seasons. That's where

778
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: I knew it. I was like, okay, and you know

779
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: that's when we made this We Believe run. Uh. You know,

780
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm starting to become a household name. You couldn't tell

781
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: us that even though it was only the first round,

782
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: we didn't win, felt like we won the championship and

783
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: we was. But you know what the crazy part was

784
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: was it was a bitter sweet situation with Nelly because

785
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: in similar with you with Pop, Like even though they

786
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: really gave us our first opportunity, they took it from

787
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: us too. They took it from us too, and people

788
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: don't know, like my ship was sucked up. So I

789
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: come off this We Believe seasons. So basically I was

790
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: about to be out the NBA. Nelly gives me a

791
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: chance play. Well, so I started hearing, Okay, hey man,

792
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: you're about to get this twenty thirty million dollar contract.

793
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 1: You know you need to get a bigger name. Agents

794
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: are fire made. I'm just listening to all the hype.

795
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: Fire my agent whatever, get a different agent. I heard

796
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: there was a deal that he dropped the ball on.

797
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: So then it comes back to where Nelly is offering

798
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: me a three year, twelve million dollar deal. So I'm

799
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: just thinking, like, damn, that's low. You know how you

800
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: was thinking Pop offered you to three year nine million.

801
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm just like, after what I did, and you know

802
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: how Lett, now I finally get a chance to play,

803
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: like I know I could be making more. So I

804
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: ultimately turned that deal down, and the rest of free

805
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: agency is getting watered down and the money's drying up.

806
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: So then I end up taking a one year, four

807
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: million dollar offer. Looking back on it after the fact,

808
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: I saw it a lot clearly, but at the time,

809
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm looking at it, It's just give

810
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: me this one year deal. I'm an audition and then

811
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a big payday. Not knowing that that

812
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: next season is when my mom died right at the

813
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: beginning of season the two that that following the week

814
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: Belisee and she died diagnosed with cancer Nomber for first

815
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: dies November only seven, So within the first twenty six

816
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: days of the season, my mom died. So my season

817
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: is shot. But I what I remember was, you know,

818
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: just trying to get that magic back, and you guys

819
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: were there helping me, trying to gas me up and

820
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 1: get me going, and like nothing was happening. So I remember,

821
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: I kind of started feeling better, was practicing better. Nellie

822
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: pulls me to the side out in the back where

823
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: he used to smoke in the parking lot and tells

824
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: me straight to my face. I respected it, but I

825
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: wanted to knock his old ass out. He said, I'm

826
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: glad you're just signed your long term deal here. Your

827
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: time here is up. And I'm like, hold up, motherfucker.

828
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: I just battled through all this ship. You know, my

829
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: mom just died. I played the day after my mom died,

830
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: and you got the motherfucking audacity to tell me that

831
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: my time up is here. So I mean, I'm just

832
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: thinking all this ship in my head. I shook my

833
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: head and said okay, and that motherfucker's stuck to his word.

834
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: Didn't play me at all anymore. And that was kind

835
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: of that was kind of like the end of my

836
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: run in my seat. And so although I owe a

837
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: lot to Nelly initially because he gave me my opportunity,

838
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: he also snatched that shift right from underneath me too

839
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: at the same time and similar in your situation. He

840
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: traded me too, though. It's just funny how he trade

841
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: you though. Knocked on my door Milwaukee, knocked on my door.

842
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: Smoke of a cig or I would a beer earlier

843
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: the morning. Jack, How you doing this morning? Don't even

844
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: come in my room. You don't want to be here.

845
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: You want to send you to Charlotte. All right, stay

846
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: in touch my body, hate me a hug and all that.

847
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: Just walked off like you were like you were like

848
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: his favorite. Though. My god, you negotiated your own contract

849
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: with him? Yes, I did tell me about that. Well, well,

850
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't with him, it was with Bobby. Yeah, I

851
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: was had two years left on my contract. Um, I

852
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: think I'm probably the only person to negotiate a three

853
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: year extension with no college education, barely a high school education,

854
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: barely a high school education. Do I did they get

855
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: my diploma? Like about from high school? I did? I mean,

856
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm after I'm a fact checking to that. Yeah. Um,

857
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: but what was I talking about? Getting your own contract work?

858
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: So I Bobby, Well, actually shout out to Nita. Nita

859
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: preps me, that's the homer, So she preps she took,

860
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, because I didn't want to get no agent.

861
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: And she like, you know, I need to, like need

862
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: to really believe in me. Bro, Like she helped me

863
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: do a lot of stuff when I was there, and

864
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: my mom and her are still good friends. She's like,

865
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: you don't even know Asian. You can represent yourself. You

866
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: know what you're worth. Can't nobody tell you what you're

867
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: worth better than you? Like it kind of makes sense, neither. Like,

868
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is show your numbers, your stats,

869
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: and compare them to what everybody else making the their stats,

870
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: and just see what he's saying. It's just a conversation.

871
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: Take him to dinner, you know, we have a conversation

872
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: with drinking a little bit, and I do exactly what

873
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: she saved. Bro. Slide the status sheet. I slide the

874
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: status sheet to him. All the players in my stats,

875
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: I'm at the top, Mike read and all them my stats,

876
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: killing theirs, making dubs, they make a twenty you know

877
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm like, I just want ten I

878
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: just want ten to years. I want three years, thirty minute,

879
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: that's all I want. You see what I'm doing, It's

880
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: only fact, it's only right. I got two years left

881
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: on my deal. So I'm just at the crap table

882
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: shooting you got it, Jack, You got it, Bro, I'm

883
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: talking about But as soon as he said, I'm texting Needle.

884
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: We got it. We got it. We got on the

885
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: phone and I couldn't believe it, Bro. But for what

886
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 1: we've done for that year, I think we all deserved something,

887
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We had all this and

888
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: I was the last one there, me and Monte. He

889
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: was the last one, you know what I'm saying. And

890
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: he saw how I was filling with all y'all leaving,

891
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, that's but that's

892
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: when I told him I wanted to get traded right after,

893
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: right after when Steph came. And Monte didn't like it either,

894
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But if I would have

895
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: my dumbass, if I had known this Chef Curry, I

896
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: would have stayed then, you know what I'm saying, whatever

897
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: fuck I wish I would have known Chef Curry was

898
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: gonna be Chef Curry. Bro. But shout out to Nita again, Man,

899
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: I was I was able to negotiate. I just had

900
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: confidence to sit down with him and negotiate the contract.

901
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: But the same GM, the Bobby that gave me my

902
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: contract lied on me too a year later to Monte. Yeah,

903
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: and and and our relationship ain't been the same since.

904
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: No years has passed. You know, we go back a

905
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: lot to go to State for the games, and somebody

906
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: that still works in the organization told me that Bobby

907
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: told him that I told him how he hurt his ankle. Oh,

908
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: how he was on this really when I left by that,

909
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: and our relationship has never been the same. Yeah, weak,

910
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: asked Bobby. You know what I'm saying like that, that

911
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: that ship was weak, that ship was where he was

912
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: doing that because he was mad because I actually get

913
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: traded after I got the extension. So that's what his

914
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: way is getting. I'm like, that's bullshit, you know what

915
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean. Would be a dope shout out, Monte. I

916
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 1: love you, bro, a little homie, little brother. He didn't

917
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: have no tattoos. One night we got to Sacramento. Remember

918
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: we was up in there getting blown and I had

919
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: my tattoo artists come in and put nothing. I have

920
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: my tattooed artists tattoo this same tattoo and the same

921
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: Remember how much he was sweating when he getting in there, drinking, smoking, laughing.

922
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: He was in there sweating like a motherfucker. He came

923
00:40:54,520 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: back the next seasons bat chest everything like he just

924
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: went in. He got more tattoos and all of young Monte.

925
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: But you know, I think it would be dope. Is

926
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: the behind like stories like this, like every our fans

927
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: only get to see, you know, the finished product so

928
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: and so science for this so and so science feather.

929
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: They don't know the ins and outs of the other

930
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: deals that failed, that the agents sunk up, that the

931
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: GM lies on you, they cut you, they trade you.

932
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: Like I said, they only see the bottom line of ESPN.

933
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: So and so signed here. But I think it would

934
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: be a dope if we can get like a collection

935
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: of like crazy ass cut stories, trade stories, contract funk

936
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: ups like the real stories. But since we own this,

937
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: go to state, we got to do that. We believe.

938
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: We definitely gotta do what we believe. We get all

939
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: of us in here and talk about story. You gotta

940
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: fly me Jack, Who else do we need to go? Me?

941
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: You Monte al Baron to Mauie j Rich Ja Rich

942
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: to Mauie to sit down on Nellie's uh cannabis farm.

943
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: Mai got MAUI Wowie wowe. It's called Nellie Cush And

944
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: we gotta go out there and tell this. We believe

945
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: story man, because when we tell y'all legendary nights. He

946
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: invited us out. He wants to come and try this product,

947
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 1: and that would be the perfect time to talk about

948
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: old memories. Him and I'll have some stuff to hash. Yeah,

949
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: I didn't like him, you know what I mean. It

950
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: was a fallout with a couple of us. Wouldn't you

951
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: be mad if he had you guarding yea? Yeah, I

952
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 1: mean we were small ball. I was our biggest dude,

953
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: Like me and you were playing the four or five

954
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: at time, like there's no way we're six eight, Like

955
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: we found a way to slow down Dirk. But motherfucking

956
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: y'all was seven. What it was, It was a game

957
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: with me and you was guarding o'core and boozing. Yeah,

958
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: the four or five out both of them dudes outweighs

959
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: by sixty pounds, and we still had our own their

960
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: motherfucking rest cheated ya. I gotta guard us too, though,

961
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: straight up? All right, man, that's a rap. Episode seven.

962
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: All the smoke with my brother jack Man. Stay tuned, man.

963
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 1: We got a hell of a lineup coming for y'all

964
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: in December. Got some uh NBA legends coming through and

965
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: some other creative people in the space that we're really

966
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: excited to bring you, man, So thank you for tuning.

967
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: In May, you can catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube

968
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: channel and all platforms streaming, podcast, All up? How many?

969
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: All up? We'll see y'all later. Peace. Jamal Charlo says

970
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: he wants to be the king of the jungle. It's

971
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: no way you can take my lion and that's me

972
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: And well how the ruggle for Jamal Charlo versus Dennis

973
00:43:40,480 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: Hogan for the middleweight championship on Showtime mcals as