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Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Show on the iheartapp great thing to

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Speaker 1: do a bit of general advice, and it is whenever

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Speaker 1: you see that there is a show with a ninety

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Speaker 1: plus percent audience score and sub fifty on the critics,

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Speaker 1: it's a show you want to see because it means

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Speaker 1: that everyone loves it, but the critics hated for some

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Speaker 1: reason that has nothing to do with whether or not

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Speaker 1: it's entertaining. And an example of this would be Clay,

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Speaker 1: have you seen The Terminal List yet? I've heard it's great. No,

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Speaker 1: I have not. Have you watched it? I have watched

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Speaker 1: every episode of The Terminal List. Jack Carr is a friend.

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Speaker 1: I've known Jack for a few years, So explain, explain,

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Speaker 1: this show because I bet there's a lot of our

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Speaker 1: audience that would like it. Explain this show for people

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Speaker 1: like me who know it exists but have no concept

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Speaker 1: of what it's about. So it's a The main character

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Speaker 1: is played by Chris Pratt, is a Navy seal named

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Speaker 1: They're ambush. I don't want to give much away, but

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Speaker 1: there's a sinister plot that goes to the heart of

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Speaker 1: the military industrial complex, and basically Chris Pratt is running

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Speaker 1: around taken out bad guys. Lots of the tactical sequences

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Speaker 1: are very well done. They bring in seals and people

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Speaker 1: with similar expertise so that the actual gun battles and

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Speaker 1: everything look really cool. I mean, they do a good

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Speaker 1: job with that as entertainment, but they they hate it

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Speaker 1: because there's there's no wokeness. Okay, there's no there's no

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Speaker 1: social it's in that way. It's like Top Gun Maverick,

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Speaker 1: which has been in theaters for some odd seventy some

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Speaker 1: But I mean even that movie, Clay just to be fair,

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Speaker 1: who's the bad guy? It's like a make believe country

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Speaker 1: get it. And apparently we don't make movies anymore. We're

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Speaker 1: fighting other countries. It wasn't woke. Even in the original

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Speaker 1: Top Guns, we didn't know who the bad guy was.

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Speaker 1: It was I mean everyone, it was the Soviet Union

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's it wasn't woke. But it wasn't

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Speaker 1: like it wasn't Team America World Police either, you know

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Speaker 1: with the stars and stripes and the flag. But okay,

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Speaker 1: but so so rotten Tomatoes ninety four percent audience score

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Speaker 1: for this. Um it's a good show because one thing

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Speaker 1: that Carrie and I have been struggling with is we're

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Speaker 1: top Gun mat What do all three of those movies

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Speaker 1: mean for some of them. We probably have some people

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Speaker 1: listening right now. By the way, we have a huge

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Speaker 1: military audience, both active and former military, current former military,

431
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Speaker 1: so we might have somebody who's you know, fifteen sixteen

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Speaker 1: listening goes you know, I want to go into a

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Speaker 1: top gun program. How does that work? Well? Just to clarify,

434
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Speaker 1: was a top gun trained to have this terry pilot? Um?

435
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Speaker 1: They run, they run course and I don't know what

436
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Speaker 1: the latest is on timing wise, but back in my day,

437
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Speaker 1: it was a ten week course and then I went

438
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Speaker 1: through the first five weeks as an adversary pilot. Then

439
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Speaker 1: I was qualified to go out and teach as an

440
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Speaker 1: adversary on the adversary so adversary being we're the bad guys.

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Speaker 1: We drew out and simulate enemy forces, whether Russian or

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Speaker 1: or whatever, tactics and and we were right now like

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Speaker 1: Merlin in the original movie, right, isn't that there? There

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Speaker 1: you go? Perfect? Yeah, that was exactly. It's flying the

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Speaker 1: F five, which which was which the bad guys are

446
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Speaker 1: flying in the first movie, so which is still being

447
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Speaker 1: flown as an adversary today. But so that's what I did.

448
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, to get there, and obviously it's the cream

449
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Speaker 1: of the crop, the top gun instructors themselves or next level.

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Speaker 1: You know, probably a terrible comparison, but it would be like,

451
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Speaker 1: you know, a doctor specialist versus positions assistant the family practice,

452
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Speaker 1: you know, terrible COMPARI but the top gun instructor versus

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Speaker 1: an instructor like myself. But to get there, you know,

454
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Speaker 1: it's a selection. You've got to do well. You gotta

455
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Speaker 1: be basically recommended for that job, and then you got

456
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Speaker 1: to get through it. And that's a pretty arduous, arduous

457
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Speaker 1: program those guys go through just to teach the classes

458
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Speaker 1: that they teach from the top Gun program. Joe Flatley, everybody,

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Speaker 1: mister Flatley, thank you very much, sir for calling into

460
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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck. We appreciate it. Hey, thanks for having me.

461
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Speaker 1: Isappy to be here, Thanks so much. Third Generation Fighter pilot.

462
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Speaker 1: That's pretty badass, Buck, That's as badass as it gets. Yeah,

463
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Speaker 1: I mean that's crazy to think about, right, Your grandfather

464
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: fought against the Japanese and the Pacific and then all

465
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Speaker 1: the way up through the movies today and everything else.

466
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's your grandfather was in the Navy, but

467
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Speaker 1: he was on the USS Batan so he was at

468
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Speaker 1: Late Gulf. Didn't talk about it very much until later on.

469
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Speaker 1: Then he'd talk about it occasionally. Quiet quitting is a

470
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Speaker 1: thing now. I don't know if you've heard about this.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to clay Anne Buck. It's it's people. Now.

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Speaker 1: There's different variations on it, but it's people who don't

473
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Speaker 1: want to be expected to go above and beyond it

474
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Speaker 1: their jobs, refused to in fact, and are essentially doing

475
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Speaker 1: the absolute bare minimum because they value their outside of

476
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Speaker 1: worktime war It's a way they think of achieving work

477
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Speaker 1: life balance, but also of telling the man so to speak,

478
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Speaker 1: to back off. And there's a there's a whole trend

479
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Speaker 1: of people. The Wall Street Journal wrote about this over

480
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Speaker 1: the weekend because it's caught on so much on TikTok,

481
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Speaker 1: there are people talking about quiet quitting. Here here's one

482
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Speaker 1: of them talking about what that actually means. Hey, Bob,

483
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Speaker 1: for the next month or two, I'm gonna needs you

484
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Speaker 1: to come in at an now or too early and

485
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Speaker 1: stay a couple hours behind, a little short staffed and

486
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Speaker 1: h all hands on deck. Oh sure, thing, are you

487
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Speaker 1: gonna double my pay for the extra hours I'm working.

488
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Speaker 1: But we pay you a forty thousand dollars years salary.

489
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Speaker 1: Of course, we're not going to give you overtime. Think

490
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Speaker 1: of it as a learning experience and giving the company

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Speaker 1: an extra helping hand. Okay, does this learning experience pay

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Speaker 1: my bills? Or better yet, does it pick up my

493
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Speaker 1: kids from daycare? No? But there is a performance for

494
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Speaker 1: review next month. What so that I can get a

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Speaker 1: five percent paid on versus three percent? Yeah, I'm all set.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna quiet quit, gonna quiet what quiet quitting? I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna come in during my normal working hours next week

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Speaker 1: and do my job. If you need me to do more,

499
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Speaker 1: you can pay me more. Otherwise I'm all set. Thanks. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So that's just one version of the quiet quits. Whoever,

501
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Speaker 1: and could hear shark tanks, mister wonderful Kevin O'Leary, he

502
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Speaker 1: has a different feeling on quiet quitting. Quiet quitting is

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Speaker 1: a really bad idea. If you're a quiet quitter, you're

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Speaker 1: a loser, okay, Clay. Let's you've you've had had many employees,

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Speaker 1: you know, through throughout Kake, and so you've dealt with

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Speaker 1: with with managing people. I've worked in roles as an

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Speaker 1: employee at very large organizations over the years, and here's

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Speaker 1: what I would say. It is totally and I'm curious

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Speaker 1: we haven't prediscussed this before. I think it's fine, and

510
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Speaker 1: in fact, I think it is wise to know when

511
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Speaker 1: you should do the minimum as part of a plan

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00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: to get out of where you are. The part of

513
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: the quiet quitting that I don't think is this you

514
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: better pay me overtime or I'm not doing a moment more.

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00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: That's called slow firing, as in they're going to replace

516
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: you and fire you if you want to do the

517
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: minimum so you have more time to find your next gig.

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00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: That I think can be strategic. I have done that before,

519
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: but you got to at least do the minimum, and

520
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: you got to know that people who do the minimum

521
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Speaker 1: get replaced. Yeah. I see this now from both perspectives

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Speaker 1: as both obviously having been an employee and then running

523
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Speaker 1: and managing a business. And my advice to everyone out

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Speaker 1: there is do you want to job or do you

525
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Speaker 1: want a career, because there's a difference between the two.

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Speaker 1: If you want a job, then very often I understand

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Speaker 1: the idea of hey, I'm supposed to work for eight

528
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Speaker 1: hours today and then I want to leave. That's a job,

529
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't really care or enjoy

530
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: their jobs. If you want a career, you got to

531
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: be willing to work way more than what the bare

532
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: minimum of your job requirement is. So I always say buck.

533
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Speaker 1: I got into writing while practicing law full time. It

534
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: took me years of writing to make one hundred dollars

535
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: a week writing, but I loved writing, so I wanted

536
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Speaker 1: to find a way to make a living doing it.

537
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: Led into radio, led into TV, and you guys are

538
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: listening to me, now, what is your horizon? If your

539
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: horizon is not I always tell people. I tell my

540
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: own kids this. If you don't want your boss's boss's job,

541
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: then you don't really have an interest in that career.

542
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: Because that's what I always say to young people out there.

543
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: Look at what someone is doing, not only at your

544
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: direct boss, but the boss above that. Is that a

545
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: job you would like to have. If the answer is no,

546
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: then you should find something else to do, because you're

547
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: not going to have the passion necessary to excel at it.

548
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: I practiced law, I didn't really enjoy it. I didn't

549
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Speaker 1: like sitting in a law firm. I didn't like tracking

550
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Speaker 1: my time in six minute increments. I didn't really want

551
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Speaker 1: my boss's boss's job as a lawyer, and so I

552
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: was looking for something that I was willing to work

553
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: at when the clock wasn't always on top of my

554
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: head thinking oh my goodness, I've got to be here

555
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: for this many more minutes. Does that make sense? I met,

556
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: You've had a lot of jobs versus career at the CIA.

557
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: I liked the work a lot, but I didn't like

558
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Speaker 1: the long term career horizons of being an analyst because

559
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Speaker 1: eventually you just managing other analysts. Right. So it's like

560
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: a writer, do you want to be a writer or

561
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: do you want to be managing other writers? Right? I

562
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: didn't want to be managing other analysts. I wanted to

563
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: go do my own thing and I wanted to work

564
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Speaker 1: on my own content. But I just say, you're not really.

565
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: I'm not active on TikTok and I know it's a

566
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 1: Chinese spying app and all this other stuff, but I

567
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: do occasionally because I got to stay up on the trends,

568
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, gotta be cool. Yes, not really, but I'm trying,

569
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: and I see this there's all these people that have

570
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: these here's how you should talk to a boss and

571
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: overwhelm and they're all millennials or gen z. Actually a

572
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: lot of them are gen Z. They're they're like, you know,

573
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: twenty five years old saying here's how you should talk

574
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: to a boss. And I see this, and I just

575
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: want I'm like, can I tell everyone? Can I do

576
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: a companion video? Or I tell everybody? This is a

577
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: good idea if you want your boss to start thinking

578
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: about how they can create an HR trail to fire you.

579
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: Like when the boss says, hey, we're a little shorthanded,

580
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: we need extra help. If you go, I'm sorry, am

581
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: I getting extra overtime? And are you going to be

582
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: expanding my job possibilities here forward so that I'm actually

583
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: getting more benefit. If if that's your response to every

584
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: request for like a little bit of additional help or whatever,

585
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: they're going to fire you. But by the same token,

586
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: the right way to quiet quit. And a lot of

587
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: people I know in government this is what they do,

588
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: because in government you can totally get away with quiet quitting,

589
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: which means you're in at nine, you're done at five,

590
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: you do nothing beyond what now You may not get promoted,

591
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: you're not going to excel, but you will not get fired.

592
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: It's hard to fire people, yeah, you know. But if

593
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: you want to use your lunch break to go out

594
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: and interview for jobs every day for that one hour,

595
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: if you want to focus your energy after hours not

596
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: on how to be better at your current job, but

597
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: how to get your next job, I think that's smart

598
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: quiet quitting. And I have done that myself so that

599
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: I will just say this. I have said I'm just

600
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: showing up, I'm doing what I have to do here.

601
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean, you know, you show up hungover

602
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: and not do it. You know, that's that's slow firing

603
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: or actually fast firing. Not quiet quitting. But this thing

604
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: where millennials are saying I need to not do a

605
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: great job so that I can have work life balance. No,

606
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: find a different job where you can do a great

607
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: job and have work life balance. It is possible. So

608
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: I just think there's a lot of bad advice going

609
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: around on this thing. I don't think there's any doubt. Especially,

610
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: I think people are cocky because they're such an overwhelming

611
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: demand to hire people, and there's a lot of really

612
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: mediocre people that have got jobs that they're probably getting

613
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: paid more than they ever expected. I remember buck one

614
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: time going through the McDonald's, I think it was a

615
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: Windy's drive through, and when I got there, like the

616
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: person at the wind They's drive through didn't say, Hey,

617
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: here's your food, she just said ah, like she didn't

618
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: even speak. She just said to get my attention. And

619
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, this is probably what it looks

620
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: like when there is almost a zero percent unemployment rate

621
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Speaker 1: and fast food workers are desperate. They don't even have

622
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: people past see your food who are speaking of enious

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Speaker 1: corner