1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Histories, a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to the 2 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much for 3 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: tuning in. We have made it through halftime on our 4 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: series pertaining to you know, the super Bowl halftime show. 5 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: That's mister Max Williams, our super producer, Max Max Max Maximus. 6 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: That's Noel Brown over there. They call me Ben Bullen 7 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: at different times. 8 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: Ben, how did you enjoy the Ridiculous History halftime show 9 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: that took place a lot in between. 10 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? 11 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: That that magician, Holy cow, he made all of the 12 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: people in the cheap seats disappear. 13 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, which is maybe a statement about class as well. 14 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 3: I think so. 15 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: I was very impressed with the double meaning of his 16 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: magic act. 17 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: And folks, if you have not heard part one of 18 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 1: our series on the history of the Super Bowl halftime show, 19 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: get thee to Thy podcast platform of choice. Check out 20 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: Part one. We're diving straight into Part two. Excellent setup, 21 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: nol because you know, we talked previously about how this 22 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: began previously on Ridiculous History. This whole halftime show thing 23 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: began with marching bands, which are still you know, you'll 24 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: still find them there. But people began to branch out. 25 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: Not everything worked immediately. There were some hot air balloon 26 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: Accidentssnan's yeah, and you set us up again so beautifully. 27 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: Can we go to the quote from Stephen Wood writing 28 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: for History. 29 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 3: Boy, could we ever? 30 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: Stephen Woods says, by the nineteen eighties, the Super Bowl 31 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: was must see TV, but as we mentioned previously, the 32 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: halftime show was becoming a punchline. Not even the second 33 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: jet pack appearance at Super Bowl. I'm bad at Roman 34 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 2: numerals XIX. Hold on, let's see, what is that twenty? No, 35 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. No, it's not twenty. That would be xx. 36 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: What's xix? Guys? 37 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: It is nineteen, Thank you very much. 38 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 2: That happened in nineteen eighty five, and it couldn't shake 39 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: the malaise. Recognizing the need to change the narrative, producers 40 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: of the Super Bowl X heck, that's twenty three, right three? 41 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: Yeah xx I halftime show in nineteen eighty nine created 42 00:02:52,320 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 2: one of the oddest experiences in television history. Coca Cola, 43 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: of course, was the sole sponsor for a show incorporating 44 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 2: three D technology. 45 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 3: This is in nineteen eighty nine, y'all called new optics. 46 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: That's clever, it's like new optics in uop ticks its. 47 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: Got an accident. 48 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: It's extreme right right, that is not a complex Roman numeral. 49 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: That is the brand name of the technology. So here's 50 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: the idea they had, and this is familiar to anybody 51 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: who saw the rise of three D in cinema. Coca Cola, 52 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: who you know, rains here in our home state of Georgia. 53 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: Yet they got twenty six million pairs of three D 54 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: glasses and they ran, they distributed this when you would 55 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: buy Coca Cola products. They even went to print and 56 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: newspapers were running these graphic almost like IKEA level instruction 57 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: manuals on how to use how to use them, kind 58 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: of the way that the British government had to teach 59 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: people what constituted an emergency and when to call an 60 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: emergency line. 61 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 2: Okay, kids, it's time to put on your three D glasses. 62 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 3: Sorry. 63 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: Do you guys remember the Lonely Islands. I think they 64 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 2: got a little more famous doing SNL stuff. 65 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: No, what is comedy? 66 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, comedy exactly. 67 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: But they back in the day had a delightful YouTube 68 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: channel and they had this like multi part spoof of 69 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: I guess the OC called the Boo and in one 70 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: of the episodes, there was like a cartoon squirrel that 71 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: was instructing the kids at the audience at home how 72 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: to wear their three D glasses, and parts of the 73 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 2: episode were done in three D. And I think they're 74 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: making fun of this very thing, this idea of like wow, 75 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: the future, and it's probably pretty corny and pretty. 76 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: Bad, similar to other top down tech innovations that failed, 77 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: which we should totally do an episode on. Remember three 78 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: D televisions and all the creators of those, the manufacturers 79 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,239 Speaker 1: wanted you the consumer to buy them so bad. 80 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a pretty big dice roll on their part. 81 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: One that came up snake eyes. 82 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: We call it a big swing in corporate America. So 83 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: people were very interested. It was a night everybody loves 84 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: an ostensibly free gift, a bit of swag. And so 85 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: back to our pal Steven Wood, there was one bar 86 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: owner in San Francisco who wanted his customers to have 87 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: three D glasses for the game when they watched it 88 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: at his restaurant, so he bought one hundred dollars worth 89 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: of coke products. Still, there was cynicism, just like we 90 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: were describing with three D televisions in general, the cynicism 91 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: is best summed up by a guy named Bob cost Us. 92 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: We recognize him from NBC Sports, he said, he said, 93 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna editorialize too much. He said, this 94 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: is the single proudest moment of my life as he 95 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,239 Speaker 1: introduced the three D show. 96 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: Hey, who are we to say. 97 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 2: That Bob Costas wasn't being completely sincere We didn't ever 98 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: wear as tongue was positions, you know. 99 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 4: Also on the side here, congratulations is Bob Costas on 100 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 4: his retirement. He retired after these most recent playoffs, so. 101 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: He retired peacefully. Congratulations Bob. The succession of power is 102 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: always a very dicey moment for sure. 103 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: But yeah, you're right, Ben, I think I'm being a 104 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: bit cooy. He did have a bit of a tone 105 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: when he introduced this show, a bit of a skeptical, 106 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: sort of sarcastic vibe to him. And then the show began, 107 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: be Bob bamboozled, Bebop bamboozled. Ben, what the heck is 108 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: that with featuring Elvis Presto, Ye I get it. 109 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 3: He is indeed a three D magician. 110 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: Maybe that wasn't his entire bag, but it was tonight 111 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,679 Speaker 2: because he did magic tricks while three D little bits 112 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: and bobs flashed around behind him, and the dancers performed 113 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: nineteen fifties swinger music. 114 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 3: They're really doing. 115 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: A past meets future kind of thing here, all surrounded 116 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: by a computer generated revolving cars, which I'm assuming were 117 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: like old timey cars. This is very odd and spinning 118 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: planets because you know, the future space to. 119 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: Show animation capabilities. There's actually there's a little bit of 120 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: soft power in the halftime show because people across the 121 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: world will tune in to watch clips of it. So 122 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: this is also exhibiting technology to the World Expo. Yeah, 123 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: one hundreds like the World Expo and one. One guy 124 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,679 Speaker 1: at this bar in San Francisco did say this show 125 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: was good by saying the following, it's good because it 126 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: keeps people glued to the TV instead of getting up 127 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: to get a beer and going to the back through. 128 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: This guy, a cowboy in San Francisco, was one of 129 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: those San Francisco cowboys you hear a lot of know. 130 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, the three D viewing kind of fizzled with the public. 131 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:16,679 Speaker 1: It's a big ask to require people to get paraphernalia 132 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: just to witness a thing. Someone said someone. An unimpressed 133 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: reviewer said, this is like watching a football halftime show 134 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: dot dot dot in the distorted reflection of an old mirror. 135 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: That's very dystopian sounding. I like that, almost like a 136 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: black mirror. 137 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 3: But you know it's funny. 138 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: I mean, this is nineteen eighty nine and three dviewing 139 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 2: experiences when put in the hands of mega capable futurist 140 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: directors like James Cameron certainly have come a long way, 141 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: but still a relatively unpleasant and not universally beloved or 142 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 2: adopted technology. It really has to be like a gravity 143 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: or an avatar kind of situation to get the butts 144 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: in the seats. It seems like it's a bit of 145 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 2: an afterthought for a lot of movies, sort of tack 146 00:08:59,000 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: it on after the fact. 147 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, but this again, this idea of soft power, of 148 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: an opportunity to exhibit technology that never really left for 149 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: a moment. You know, people kept trying to innovate the 150 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:20,479 Speaker 1: Super Bowl to in their minds, improve upon the formula, 151 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: and one of the big things they wanted to do 152 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: was to include more Western celebrities. And that's why in 153 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, the halftime show finally featured the new 154 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: Kids on the block in kotb Or. It would have well, 155 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: it did, but they couldn't do it live because the 156 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: Gulf War it also started. Here's what happened. I can 157 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: give you guys the skinny what the concern there that 158 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: results in the tape delay entirely comes because the US 159 00:09:54,720 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 1: was at a decision point or crossroads wherein it may 160 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: have been completely possible. And this is a valid concern 161 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: that news international news of disaster and military excursion may 162 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: have preempted the Super Bowl. So that's like they're putting 163 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: it on tape delay because there are active operations in 164 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: the Gulf and they're worried that things might go you know, sidewise. 165 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: Right, and that would maybe be a little bit of 166 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 2: a bad look to have, like the New Kids bopping 167 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: around shaking their groove things interrupted by news of you know, 168 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: some sort of disastrous tragedy involving our troops. 169 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: Let's fast forward to the next year, yeah, where we 170 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: see some catty behavior on the parts of network TV 171 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: outfits who used to be a big deal pre streaming. 172 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: So Fox did not have rights to the game and 173 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: they instead said, you know what, we can't do the 174 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: Super Bowl live. We're going to do a live episode 175 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: of a show that I loved earlier that did not age. Well, 176 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: no living color, it did not age the film, but like, 177 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: you know, like almost like a hell in de Troy 178 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: of comedy. It launched a thousand comedic ships, you know 179 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: the way in sure did amazing stuff later, Jim James Carrey, Yeah, 180 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: did amazing stuff. Uh. And also of course the fly 181 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: Girls hats off. 182 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: Well, if I'm not mistaken, j Low was an original Flyer. Yes, 183 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: definitely a big comedic kind of Hallmark for sure. But 184 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 2: you're right, Ben, when you go back and watch it, now, 185 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 2: there are some things that do not stand the test 186 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: of a political correct scrutiny. Now that I'm like all 187 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: about one hundred percent political correctness, but boy, oh boy, 188 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: is some of that stuff a little cringe. 189 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm about regular correctness. Hey, you guys, I think we 190 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: both are so thanks to CBS had you know, they 191 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: had the game and in nineteen ninety two, their halftime 192 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: show that they were airing was a snow themed production 193 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: starring Gloria Stefan, whom I know we all. 194 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 3: Love and the beat of the rhythm of the nights. 195 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and two Olympic qualified ice skaters. They had a 196 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: neck and neck with the live version of In Living 197 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: Color because again it's the early nineties. People love In 198 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 1: Living Color well, and. 199 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: There just weren't that many choices, and that show was 200 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 2: such like a pop cultural phenomenon that they absolutely could 201 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: compete with the halftime show as it existed at that time. 202 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 2: So the organizers realized that they needed to change their 203 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: game up. 204 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, they had to level up. And this brings us 205 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: to January thirty first, nineteen ninety three. Our pals Bonnie 206 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: Berkowitz and lazarro Gamio that we noted earlier in part one, 207 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: they say, look, yeah, had to come up with a 208 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: show that could not be ignored. You had to keep 209 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: the viewers. So they had James Earl Jones set up 210 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: the show in his best voice of God into Nation, 211 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, very Flight of Dragons, very Darth Vader. 212 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: That is now owned by the Disney Corporation. 213 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: Yes, unfortunately they literally, I mean he passed away sadly, 214 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: but they will be able to continue using his vocal 215 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: likeness very legally for all time. 216 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: Very legally. 217 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: It's kind of like how don't be evil as different 218 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: from be good? So shout out to Flight of Dragons. 219 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: By the way, it's an amazing animated series about the 220 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: It's a discourse about the nature of science and magic. Anyway, 221 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: I'm walking, I'm walking down the street for it. You're 222 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: gonna love it. You're gonna love it. You should absolutely 223 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: check it out. Our buddies that stuff to blow your 224 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: mind have a great, great weird house cinema on it. 225 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: So James Earl Jones is setting up a relatively long introduction, 226 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,239 Speaker 1: and the whole time he is setting up this introduction, 227 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, the King of Pop, is just standing on stage. 228 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: So James Zerl Jones, the kid of pop, half of 229 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: the Rosebolt Stadium, is just screaming. They have Beatlemania for this, 230 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: they have Jackson Media for this, and like a minute 231 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: and a half passes while this guy has to just 232 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: sort of stand there and listen to James Earl Jones. 233 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: Well, you know the thing about that is you can 234 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 2: look at it that way for sure. But I was 235 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 2: also thinking about I wasn't even including the James Earl 236 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: Jones part in my mind. He was just standing there 237 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: for a minute and a half in silence, which would 238 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 2: be very expensive minute and a half of television broadcast time. 239 00:14:54,720 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 2: But there is something powerful about the antica pati of 240 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: Michael Jackson doing his moves. Everyone knew he just loomed 241 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 2: so freaking large at this point, I think it's really 242 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 2: telling that the first big pop group that was hired 243 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: to do the halftime show were the new Kids on 244 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 2: the Block, who, while you know, pretty big in the 245 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: teeny bopper scene, not even remotely the level legacy you know, 246 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: you know, royalty, that is Michael Jackson, the king of pop. 247 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: So depending on how things went down, this could very 248 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 2: well have been their level up. 249 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think we're disagreeing. I think that's the 250 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: same page thing. Because he also has to hold for applause, right, 251 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: we have to remember that Earl Jones is coming through 252 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: a monopoly of speakers literal voices, God well literal, but 253 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: I mean the huge, massive, booming voice, omnipresent voice at 254 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: the very least for the stadium. And so Jackson, let's 255 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: let's this run through. He pauses for applause. If you've 256 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: ever done a successful live show or public performance, you 257 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: know you have to hold for applause. That's why good 258 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: comedy shows take longer. Live anyway, So not only does 259 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson rock the crowd, but he also probably converts 260 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: a couple of new fans. And we'll see there's a 261 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: Jackson family legacy to the super Bowl in just a second. 262 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: But not everyone was pleased. This is also part of 263 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: the Jackson legacy, I would argue because just like Elvis Presley, 264 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: not Presto Presley, the other Elvish, Jackson was seen as 265 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: a bit too risque, a bit too vulgar because this 266 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: is in his this is in his prime of his dancing, 267 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: when he would grab his crotch and kind of thrust up, 268 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: you know, get those get those kegels in, and people 269 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: got angry. 270 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 2: Well, I mean remember when people got freaked out about 271 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 2: Elvis and Elvis. Yeah, this is like a level version 272 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 2: of that, because Michael Jackson's moves were pretty suggestive, you know, 273 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 2: the crotch grabbing, the gyrating, all of that stuff. And 274 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: I could see how this would maybe get certain parts 275 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 2: of Middle America and a bit of a tizzy. 276 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, people who are bad at sex moves. Maybe maybe. 277 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: So we're a family show. This entry into the halftime 278 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: history of Michael Jackson. This is the new era of 279 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: the megastar performer. You fast forward a few years to 280 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, You've got Diana Ross, and Diana Ross 281 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: does a banger said at Super Bowl thirty and when 282 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: she leaves, she does she does a joke that, honestly, 283 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of my old friends have done. 284 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: You know how, if you're ever hanging out, this is 285 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: such a dumb joke. You see a fire truck go 286 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: by with the with the sirens blaring. I love to say, 287 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: oh crap, that's my uber. 288 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: Uh Diana rr a bit of a firebug, aren't you? 289 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 3: Ben? Nobody knows this about you? 290 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: Untrue allegation that. 291 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 3: It is untrue. I made it up entirely. 292 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, Ross did that, but actually could follow through 293 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 2: with it because a helicopter descended. Uh, and she just goes, 294 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: that's my ride and then jumps onto the helicopter and 295 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: flies away. After she finished her last song, take Me Higher, 296 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 2: which is also going to come into play again, a 297 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 2: different version not of this song, but of the same name, name, 298 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 2: different era, same jubilant, high flying mentality. 299 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like Diana Ross and well I 300 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: prefer the Ross thing. 301 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 3: Are you saying? 302 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: Diana Ross is a better artist than Creed. Ben art 303 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: is subjective and you can enjoy what you wish. That's 304 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: also true. No, that's also true. And no, I do 305 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: think that Diana. 306 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 2: Us probably will go down in history a little higher 307 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 2: on the list of great artists than Creed. 308 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 3: But to each their own. 309 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: And this began with the success of these uh super 310 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: Bowl halftime shows. Began the era that we know today 311 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: where it was all about who was going to get 312 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 2: booked and what did that mean for their prominence their 313 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: position in you know, pop music, in pop culture with 314 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: names like James Brown, Zz, Top Boys to Men, The Temptations, 315 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: Queen Latifah, Stevie. 316 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 3: Wonder you had just had some Phil Collins. 317 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: Britney Spears of course, Sparry J Blige and you know 318 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,959 Speaker 1: in Sync, the inheritors of new Kids on the Block. 319 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: And and the issue here is that the concept of 320 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: a solidified headliner wasn't quite there yet. The Stiliver Rioty Show. Yes, 321 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: everybody everybody in the musical acts we have just named 322 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: was functioning in collaboration with another you know, Britney Spear, 323 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: huge star, Mary J Blige, huge star, in Sync, huge group. 324 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: They all appear at the same two thousand and one 325 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: halftime show together at a point where arguably all three 326 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: of them separately could have sold out their own stadiums. 327 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And I mean they still do that 328 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,719 Speaker 2: sometimes to this day. I mean the one with Usher 329 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: for example, Yeah, he was the headliner, but they had 330 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 2: some guests popping, you know, in and out throughout. There 331 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 2: were also big names in and of themselves. I want 332 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 2: to say Mary J. Blige was one of those. 333 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 4: She's shut up a couple times. So usually now what 334 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 4: they'll do is they'll have a headliner and the headliner 335 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 4: will have some other people caught up, even sometimes bigger 336 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 4: than people. The closest comparison I've seen recently was probably 337 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 4: the LA super Bowl, where they had like Snoop dogg Eminem, 338 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 4: Kendrick Lamar, Kendrick Lamar, they had like, that's probably the 339 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 4: closest one where they had like, okay, we have a 340 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 4: bunch of people who are big name. 341 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 3: That's kind of where they're going to. 342 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 4: They weren't like this, but like, you know, something like 343 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 4: the Weekend where blah. 344 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: Blah blah, right, that's always love bla blah. Was the 345 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: best comparison for someone who has somehow not seen a 346 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: halftime show. If you've seen Saturday Night Live and they're 347 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: cold opens. They will bring in cameos who are often 348 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 1: famous actors or comics in their own right. And that's 349 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: sort of, that's not even sort of. That is the 350 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: formula of the halftime show. You like this person, Guess 351 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 1: who also shows up at the bridge? You know what 352 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: I mean? 353 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 3: Oh sure? 354 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: And sometimes just for the bridge, just walks out in 355 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: a crazy costume with a crazy set, does a couple 356 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: of bars, and then is off to the. 357 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 3: Race, sometimes walking across an actual bridge. 358 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes yes. And this is where this is another thing 359 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: about soft power, which can be projected internationally. True, but 360 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: we also see the halftime, the halftime celebration as an 361 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: attempt to unify America, including demographics of America that fundamentally 362 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: disagree on some weird things. Look, look what we're setting 363 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: you up for. Here is the other part of the 364 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: Jackson family legacy, the Boob. 365 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 3: Eight. It's true, it's a palindrome as well. 366 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: There have been quite a few halftime shows that definitely 367 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 2: were remembered and are talked about and kind of enter 368 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 2: the annals of pop culture. 369 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 3: But there is one that will probably go down in 370 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 3: history as one of the most infamous. 371 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 2: Changed my life, well, it changed a lot of young 372 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: young people's lives. I imagine Stephen Wood from History puts 373 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: it like this. If the King of Pop's performance was 374 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: one of the greatest in Super Bowl history, his sister 375 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 2: Janet Jackson's showing at Super Bowl thirty eight that's in 376 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: two thousand and four was the most controversial. 377 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 3: UH. 378 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 2: This was produced in conjunction with MTV, who kind of 379 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: curated a star studded UH spectacle starring Justin Timberlake and 380 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 2: Janet Jackson, where and during a very key line in 381 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 2: the song rock Your Body, Jackson removes it's kind of 382 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 2: it's like a removable bra kind of thing. Yeah, I 383 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 2: guess all bras are removable, but it's like the piece 384 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 2: on its own was was like almost like. 385 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: A it's like a carapace. It was. It was like 386 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: it was like a panel on a like fast fit, 387 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: so a panel exactly popped off the he popped off 388 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: the the breast panel wherein for a brief, very brief moment, 389 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: you can see an exposed breast. You can also see 390 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: if I if I recall, there was some kind of 391 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: jewelry or autremole around that nipple, a bit of a 392 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: nipple ring. 393 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know what it wasn't It wasn't a 394 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 2: piercing No, it was like a ring a pasty, like 395 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 2: a metal pasty, but kind of star like or whatever, 396 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: star like, kind of sharp looking, actually the edges, if 397 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 2: I remember it correctly. But Ben, wasn't there supposed to 398 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 2: be a tape delay on this too? 399 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: Like? 400 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 2: There wasn't there always a I think the FCC requires 401 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: and broadcasts and live events to there for there to 402 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 2: be like a thirty second delay so that the hot 403 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,959 Speaker 2: little hands of people running the broadcast can kind of 404 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: censor something after the facts. 405 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, same way you have a tape delay in live interviews, 406 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: especially if you got someone spicy who might drop a 407 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: few George Carlin esque inappropriate words. Back to our pals 408 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: Berkowitz and Gamo, they say, Jackson's right nipple was televised 409 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: forget this nine sixteenths of a second, and immediately the 410 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: FCC was on the case. There were fines, there were 411 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: public apologies, there was there were legal actions. You know, 412 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: Justin and Justin and Janet I talked like I hang 413 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: out with him, didn't agree on the narrative. They eventually 414 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: coalesced into a unified front saying, Hey, this was a 415 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: quote wardrobe malfunction, which is where the phrase enters the 416 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: American lexicon. 417 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 3: What a fun one. 418 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would seem that the FCC would let them 419 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: be or let them be them so let them see. 420 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 3: They tried to shut them down on MTV. 421 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 2: But never mind. Sorry ye eminem was later, But yeah, man, 422 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 2: wardrobe malfunction. What a You know, I got to you 423 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 2: gotta respect people that come up with like what would 424 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: clearly be considered a spin, but also something that is 425 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: just so perfect that it just gets adopted and used 426 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: for other stuff. I mean, certainly used in a very 427 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: tongue in cheek manner the idea of a wardrobe malfunction. 428 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 2: Because we talked about this a little bit in the 429 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: first part of this series, or at least we raised 430 00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: the question that we promised we were going to get to. 431 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 3: Was this accidentally on purpose? 432 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: This was definitely on purpose, as later research would show 433 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: show just like a nipple for nine sixteenths of a second, 434 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: and I would say, what we're seeing here is pr 435 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: level damage control. I also got to say, you know, 436 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: I feel like justin Timberlake's handlers told him to pretend 437 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: this was an accident, not to be too legalistic. But 438 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: their rationalization and their argument was that that panel over 439 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: the breast came off accidentally wardrobe malfunction, but it was 440 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: clearly planned. 441 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,239 Speaker 2: I would argue that that wardrobe did exactly what it 442 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 2: was supposed to. 443 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: Do, exactly, no malfunction whatsoever. Yeah, and thank you for 444 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: being cool, guys, because that certainly rocked my world. Jenny 445 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: Jackondi is awesome. Yes, what continues. People were writing into 446 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: newspapers A lot of folks have a lot of time 447 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: back then, and one person who subscribed to a newspaper 448 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania said, look, the FCC should find Justin Timberlake 449 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: and Janet Jackson one million dollars each. The FCC did 450 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: find CBS because they were the broadcasters, so the buck 451 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: stops with them, and for a time, Janet Jackson is 452 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: unfortunately blacklisted by TV and radio stations. Timberlake gets away, 453 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: which I think is a statement about both racism and 454 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: how America treats women. 455 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 3: One million percent. Ben. 456 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, not to be grand standing about 457 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 2: it or anything, but it's just it just reeks of inequality, 458 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 2: you know, I mean the way Timberlake was almost treated 459 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 2: like a boss. You know, aha, good job JT. And 460 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 2: Janet Jackson was treated like a pariah. Not to mention 461 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 2: that the whole presentation less it's called it itself is 462 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 2: pretty sexist and gross, right, like a dude just reaching 463 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: out and pulling off a piece of a woman's clothing, 464 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 2: to which she responded, if I'm not mistaken, like with shock, 465 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 2: feigned shock obviously, but it's almost. 466 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,719 Speaker 3: Like, oh my goodness, how dare you you cad? 467 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: You know it's but it's that's that's old timey, weird 468 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 2: gross behavior. 469 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: Right again, Look, Timberlake is lionized for things that jan 470 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: and Jackson is philified for. Its exactly right, well put, 471 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 1: and this we don't want to end on this one. 472 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: Let's go to something we're very excited about. One time 473 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: true story, ridiculous historians. Our pals over at a band 474 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: called Creed had their own halftime show and it was 475 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: very much one of the most things ever. 476 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: It was a thing that happened in in sports and 477 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: entertainment history. And look at the time, you know, Creed 478 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 2: was huge. I think, what was this, what year has 479 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 2: this been? 480 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: This would have been two thousand and one. 481 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 3: Oh so really really just posts nine to eleven. 482 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 2: Also at the height of Creed's popularity in two thousand 483 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 2: and one, that was I think. I was a junior 484 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 2: in high school. I was even I was on the 485 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 2: Creed train in a big way. I saw them play 486 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 2: an arena show in my hometown in Augusta, Georgia, and 487 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 2: I was super on board with that record my own prison, 488 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 2: which was at multiple smash hits that they regaled the 489 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 2: assembled crowd with. At the Super Bowl halftime show, I 490 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 2: believe it was the Denver Broncos and the Dallas Cowboys. 491 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 2: Dallas did lose the game by two points, twenty six 492 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 2: to twenty four, but people don't really talk about this 493 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 2: game as much as they talk about what is described 494 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 2: by some as an electrifying halftime performance by Creed. 495 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:04,479 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, also described as a thing. So yeah, I 496 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: love that we're getting into this. Before we go into it, 497 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: we gotta give you some context, folks. Halftime shows are 498 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: not just for the Super Bowl. 499 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 3: Now. 500 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: You can see halftime performances in plenty of other games, 501 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: and the formula is relatively the same. Pull the biggest 502 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: celebrity who is willing to play along with you, either 503 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: actually performing or pretending to perform, which we'll get to 504 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: after this. But of course our old nemeses that we 505 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: have now buried the hatchet with Sheryl Crowe has performed 506 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: back in five we'll see you know, your Reba McIntyre's, 507 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: your Dolly Pardons and of course Pitbull because pit bulls 508 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: is everything. Yeah, mister wild Wide, honorable pit Bull. 509 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 4: Read how I wrote. 510 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: It and you'll see you'll see tons of different celebrities. However, 511 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: we know it's very important to our purposes tonight to 512 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: talk about the Creed performance, and we're doing so with 513 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: help from Andy Watkins writing for Pro Football Network. 514 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: That's right, lead singer as we know him. We know him, 515 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 2: you might love him. It's fine if you love him, Scott. 516 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: He loves I think most important thing. 517 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: I think it really is. Singer Scott Stapp took the stage. 518 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 2: He was wearing a custom made Cowboy Cowboys a jersey 519 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 2: with his own last name on the back, which is 520 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 2: very white. I believe it has some blue kind of 521 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 2: like you know, touches here and there, and the band 522 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,719 Speaker 2: launched into it's not called Take Me Higher, Dang it 523 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 2: I was wrong, but that is the little lyric can 524 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: You Take Me? 525 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 3: The song is just called Higher. 526 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 2: However, I was just carkening back to that Diana Ross 527 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 2: performance where she performed a song called take Me Higher 528 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 2: on a helicopter down a helicopter, of course, and this was. 529 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 3: A big song can You Take Me her, you know 530 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 3: the one. 531 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 2: And this is the Cowboys cheerleaders bopped along in the 532 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 2: background and sync with the band. Y'all. I don't know 533 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: if you've seen this, but this is a really fun 534 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 2: couples Halloween costume where you have one party dressed up 535 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 2: as Scott's staff with perhaps a mobile fan blowing his hair, 536 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 2: and then someone else. 537 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 3: I'm dressed up as one of the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. 538 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 3: Now the dudes flying around on sheets, Yeah, with the sheets. 539 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 3: We'll get to the sheets. That's exactly right. 540 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 2: So the cheerleaders are bopping around, you also have acrobats 541 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 2: jumping around doing somersaults in the air, pretending to be 542 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 2: flying whilst hanging onto these long strands of fabric, the 543 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 2: idea being that they were supposed to be taking wing 544 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 2: or what. 545 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: Very shirt dasa. So aerialists are performing, you know, very 546 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: cir Cirque Desilay, and then Creed pivots to the next track, 547 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: because again the soft power of the halftime show is 548 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: to unify a divided country towards support of football, but 549 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: also towards support of the American experience or experiment. So 550 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: Creed's next track is My Sacrifice. And during this you 551 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: could say it is sincere, you could say it is manipulative, 552 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: but it is true. They because it's two thousand and 553 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: one in the context, right, So they show rescue workers 554 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: during the horrific events of September eleventh when DC and 555 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: New York City were attacked by terrorists. 556 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 3: And really quickly wanted to add. 557 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 2: Andy Watkins, writing over at Pro Football Network, was clearly 558 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 2: a fan. He writes about all this stuff in very 559 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 2: glowing terms, describing it as emotional and patriotic, a performance 560 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 2: given by Creed, which was, he says, sorely needed and 561 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 2: unexpectedly galvanizing, which we will get to. 562 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the thing that I wanted to say. They 563 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: go to this very deep place, They the hearts of 564 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: everybody watching, everybody in the audience, and then they shift 565 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: to another song. They end with a song called Don't 566 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: Stop Dancing. 567 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 2: Is that doesn't sound like a Creed song. I know 568 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 2: what the heck is Don't stop Dancing? Is that like 569 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 2: Jackson five song? 570 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: It also this is why I ask whether this is 571 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: this memorial to the events of nine to eleven is 572 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: cynical or whether it is sincere because that's a weird 573 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: tonal shift. 574 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 3: Is not it is for sure. I don't know this song. 575 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 2: I don't think it was one of their hits that 576 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 2: has stood the test of time. But I do have 577 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 2: to you know, Devil's advocate here give credit? Where credits? 578 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 3: Do the lyric? 579 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 2: It is not just some sort of like totally pat 580 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 2: you know song to Shake Your Button. 581 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: It's the lyrics club song. 582 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: No, the lyrics are at times life is wicked and 583 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 2: I just can't see the light. A silver lining sometimes 584 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 2: isn't enough to make some wrongs seem whatever life brings. 585 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: I've been through everything and now I'm on my knees again. 586 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,760 Speaker 2: Where does he say stop dancing? 587 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: Well, it's this is the one that has the Tallahassee 588 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: Boys choir. At least the idea here is similar to 589 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: I will survive, you know, like we have. We have 590 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: encountered terrible events, tragedy beyond words and we're going to 591 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: soldier through. So I think that was the aim of them, 592 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: and they found Creed's version of that song and performed that. 593 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: So look, obviously this is huge spectacle. Every time you 594 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: watch it, you you, like Max Noll and myself, come 595 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: away with another piece of observation, something new to glean. 596 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: One thing that stood out to Max about this in 597 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: particular was the fact that the Salvation Army, the public 598 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: address announcer, and Jerry Joe himself, who is often called 599 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: the Tzar of the Dallas Cowboys, they got cut off 600 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: and they got played off stage for the Creed performance. 601 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 4: It was like somebody who's like set that was kind 602 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 4: of bombing and they start playing the music or like 603 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 4: it's getting a war. 604 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: And they're going too long on the speech. 605 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 3: Yeah. 606 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 4: Look, they're talking about charity and Jerry Jones is up 607 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 4: there with his wife and like a young child, and 608 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 4: these women just run out and start dancing around them 609 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 4: and they're playing Creede over them. It's like, this is impressive, 610 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 4: but it's also very obvious that their lip thinking the 611 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 4: entire time. 612 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: Ah, that's oh, that's where I want to get to. 613 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, yeah, and I did find the lyric. It 614 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 3: does exist in the song. 615 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 2: There's one little part I guess that reats a couple 616 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,760 Speaker 2: of times, but it says it literally. It's referencing the children. 617 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,879 Speaker 2: It says, children don't stop dancing. Believe you can fly away. 618 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: Away hashtag Nora Kelly. Indeed, uh, this is this is bonkers. 619 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: The whole thing very American. If you if you were 620 00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: trying to explain the stereotypes of the United States to 621 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: someone who is unfamiliar with this country, someone from you know, oh, Bhutan, 622 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: for instance, who has never seen a halftime show, then 623 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: show them the Creed halftime Show and say this is 624 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: kind of it. 625 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 4: They'll be like, I mean, maybe this gross domestic happiness 626 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 4: thing is not what it's cut out to be. Maybe 627 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 4: we should lean back in the GDP because this thing 628 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 4: is awesome and also terrible. 629 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 2: Well, I think that's the thing. I mean, it does 630 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 2: seem of their hearts are in the right place. Creed was, like, 631 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 2: you know, had had Christian roots. They were kind of 632 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 2: a band that kind of all of America to some 633 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 2: degree could rally behind because they were very popular, but 634 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 2: they were also more or less wholesome, and their songs 635 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,919 Speaker 2: do have kind of these like a little bit pat 636 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,240 Speaker 2: but uplifting messages. But I think the thing that stands 637 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 2: out and the reason this is memed and kind of 638 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 2: made into these goofy couple's Halloween costumes so much, is 639 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 2: it just feels very self aggrandizing on the part of Creed. 640 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 2: You know, it's like we are here to bring a 641 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 2: to heal America with. 642 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: A rock you know, Scott Staff with a Messiah complex 643 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: say it ain't so, he said sarcastically. There's there's also 644 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: this one thing we have to I know several of 645 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: us were listening through this week's series and you're wondering, 646 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,439 Speaker 1: like we have in the past, how often are these 647 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: performers actually singing versus how often are they lip sinking? Now, 648 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: In their defense, a lot of musicians, outside of halftime shows, 649 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,959 Speaker 1: especially if they're known for dancing and choreography, they work 650 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: with backing tracks for sure. You see it all the time. 651 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: Well they'll have you know, their ad libs or their 652 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: chorus come in behind pre recorded, and then it's happening 653 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: because they're doing complex moves. 654 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 3: For sure. 655 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 2: I mean these days right, sure thing, yeah, and see 656 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 2: these days, I mean, artists don't even really try to 657 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 2: hide it as much. I mean, remember back when being 658 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 2: caught lip sinking would have like tanked your career. 659 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 1: Shout out Millie Vanilli, Milli. 660 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 2: Vanilli or Ashley Sims on ESA now, which that was 661 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 2: truly embarrassing because it was a whole incorrect song that 662 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 2: was triggered and then she just kind. 663 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 3: Of awkwardly does a little jig on stage. 664 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 2: It was just absolutely it's one of the most cringeworthy 665 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 2: things you can watch. But you know, artists like Britney Spears, 666 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,839 Speaker 2: massive productions and incredibly physical dance routines. It's not even 667 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 2: really a secret or an open secret. It's just a 668 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 2: thing that is done. And there are certainly parts of 669 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 2: shows where the artist will sing. But also, like you know, 670 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 2: Charlie XCX, he's one of the biggest artists ever right 671 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,439 Speaker 2: this second. She doesn't live sing, but everything she does 672 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 2: is through auto tune. That's like a feature, not a bug. 673 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,359 Speaker 1: And kudos to you, Charlie, because I loved I loved 674 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: your performance on the recent Saturday Night Live where she's 675 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,919 Speaker 1: very open about that fun, very cool and a very 676 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: talented actor with the lip Syncin conversation goes on and on, 677 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: we could say I believe we could say that now 678 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,919 Speaker 1: many many audience members for any live show are there 679 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 1: to see a performance, to have a spectacle and experience. 680 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,439 Speaker 1: You can listen to the song get Home. You're there 681 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: for something different. 682 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 3: I mean, unless you're Adele or something. 683 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,919 Speaker 2: Who is not up there doing crazy gymnastic dance moves 684 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 2: and who is her stock in trade is her voice 685 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 2: and doing this absolutely live raw vocal performances, or. 686 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 1: Like Tom Waits, who would just you're there to experience 687 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: this guy the magic really eclectic and weirdy. So it 688 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: would be interesting if he ever lip SYNCD for sure. 689 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 3: And I you know, it makes me think it would 690 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 3: be really fun. 691 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 2: Maybe we should add us to the list now to 692 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,320 Speaker 2: do a history, a ridiculous history of lip syncing. 693 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, why not? Because it goes back to uh ooh, 694 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: it goes back to a lot of things. Lip Syncing 695 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: as a way of deceiving an audience is an ancient art. 696 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: You see it in religion as well, right, exactly, all right, 697 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: let's put in the voice of God speaks through me 698 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: pre James Earl Jones. One of my favorite examples of 699 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 1: lip syncing a kind of a kind of bite of 700 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: the thumb to shout out Shakespeare comes with the Red 701 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 1: Hot Chili Peppers. When they did super Bowl forty eight, 702 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: that's XLVII for all of us playing along at home 703 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 1: when they did when they came out here, they didn't 704 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: plug their guitars in. They said, why are we going 705 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: to bother to act like we're actually playing the song? 706 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 1: And flee who is just this amazing, very sincere person. 707 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: Two days after the Super Bowl is twenty fourteen, he 708 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: said the NFL had encouraged the frontman, Anthony you know 709 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 1: Tony Anthony Keatis, to sing live during the show, but 710 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: then told the rest of the band that they would 711 00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: have to pre record an instrumental track and still up 712 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,319 Speaker 1: and so for the Chili's for the Chili Peppers, they said, 713 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: why do we want to perpetuate a charade. 714 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:08,720 Speaker 3: The pep PEPs. 715 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny too because this, you know, in music, 716 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 2: especially with like live bands, there is sort of a 717 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 2: bit of a fraught history with this kind of stuff 718 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 2: because like television shows where bands would perform, most notably 719 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 2: like Top of the Pops in the UK, the bands 720 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 2: are always required to lip sync to their songs, and 721 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 2: some bands would actively protest against this, like Nirvana, I 722 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 2: think they're doing come as you Are, and if you 723 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 2: watch the tape from that, they're pantomiming playing guitar really 724 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 2: poorly and just kind of like Kurt Cobangs just sort 725 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 2: of opening his mouth like you know, wide on for 726 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,399 Speaker 2: every part and it's just so punk rock. 727 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,280 Speaker 1: And there are other examples of folks just being on board. 728 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: The Chili Peppers incident speaks to I think speaks to 729 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: their character. At least Flees Care because he was so 730 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 1: candid about this. With his candor, he pulled back the 731 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 1: curtain on one of the worst kept open secrets of 732 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl halftime, which is that artists do often 733 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 1: rely on pre recorded instrumental tracks, if not additionally pre 734 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 1: recorded vocal tracks. 735 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 2: You know, and I will say, just to look at 736 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 2: both sides that you know, having done live sound and 737 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 2: things in my previous life, like I understand from the 738 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 2: production standpoint, how this would be a lot writing on it, 739 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,800 Speaker 2: a lot writing on it, a lot of quick changeovers, 740 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 2: you know, a lot of variables that they maybe just 741 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,879 Speaker 2: want to mitigate as much as possible. So but then 742 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 2: you have, you know, performances like Prince where it's just 743 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 2: a centerpiece, full live band. 744 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 3: That is what you're signing up for. That is what 745 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 3: you're getting, and you know every moment of that. 746 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 2: Also, you know, Prince would never participate in anything where 747 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 2: he was lip syncing or doing anything like that. 748 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,760 Speaker 3: That's just not his that's not his vibe. 749 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 2: So you do get some really epic, you know, live 750 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 2: performances eventually in the Super Bowl halftime show. 751 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And of course it's easy, with the immense privilege 752 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: of retrospect, to look back and you know what do 753 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: we call it to be the Monday morning quarterback about 754 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 1: how a show should have been performed or how it 755 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,399 Speaker 1: could be tuned up. But in this case, what we're 756 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: seeing again is a fascinating piece of ridiculous American history 757 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: that continues today. Thank you so much, folks for tuning 758 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 1: in and joining us on this journey. Big big thanks 759 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: yes to our super producer mister Max Williams, who co 760 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: wrote this research brief, big big thanks, of course to 761 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland aka the Quister. He wants to go on, 762 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: he wants to do a halftime show. I think if 763 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: we start a petition maybe he'll do it. 764 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 4: Oh Strickland, The Rolling Stones halftime show of podcasts. 765 00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,880 Speaker 3: I love it. It's very very true. 766 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: Hearing the colons in that title. 767 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I love hearing the good colon. Huge thanks 768 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 3: to aj Bahamas, Jacobs the Puzzler. 769 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, big, big thanks to Rachel Big Spinach, Lance, Chris 770 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: Rossiotis Eve's Jeff go here in spirit? Who else? 771 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 3: Who else? 772 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: Who else? Other than oh of course Scott from. 773 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 2: Creed, Thank you, and our personal Scott from Creed Alex 774 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 2: Williams to compose this bang and. 775 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 1: Bob nice nice. So we hope everybody is enjoying Thanksgiving times. 776 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,840 Speaker 1: Please please, if you are ever at ever at a 777 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: decision point, or you have some questions about how to 778 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 1: have awkward conversations with your family, check out our episode 779 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: on stuff they don't want you to know how to 780 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: talk to your family during the holidays. 781 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:54,880 Speaker 3: We'll see you next time, folks. 782 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, app podcasts, 783 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,920 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.