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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal.

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Speaker 2: I'll that for me.

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Speaker 3: I'm a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 3: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 3: for Dake Edith State.

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Speaker 4: Is that whoo whoom?

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Speaker 3: And Dan and Tye.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to this solid turble boys and girls. My

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Speaker 4: name is ty hilden Brand over there on the other

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Speaker 4: side of the table. Yeah, he is a fine gentleman.

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Speaker 4: We like to call mister Dan rupert Stein, Sir, how

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Speaker 3: I'm doing pretty well. I'm I'm under the weather. I

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Speaker 3: am currently full of Cuban food because that's what you

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Speaker 3: do in Tampa. But you know what, Ty, it's wonderful

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Speaker 3: to see you. Life is great. We're here for Alabama

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Speaker 3: Clemson and we have and we mentioned this on Twitter

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Speaker 3: dot com slash Solid Verbal got some goofs going on

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Speaker 3: in the background. We have a multi layered college football

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Speaker 3: Playoff National Championship preview, and so we have decided in

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Speaker 3: advance to just like get as much information as possible

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Speaker 3: so that once we get here we could just be

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Speaker 3: dumb and not rely on people.

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Speaker 4: Generally, as we discussed, we're very unreliable. Yes, we are

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Speaker 4: very much When it comes to planning things out in advance.

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Speaker 4: So the fact that we did as much as we

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Speaker 4: did beforehand, Yeah, I think really is a testament to

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Speaker 4: how much we've grown as individuals. That's what this is

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Speaker 3: I can't believe we have almost assuredly pulled this off.

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Speaker 3: So we have a show that you will hear momentarily.

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Speaker 3: So we have this game Alabama Clemson. We have recruiting

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Speaker 3: with Bud Elliott, ESP Nation Recruiting Analysts editor and just

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Speaker 3: sort of how these two teams constructed themselves. We have

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Speaker 3: a statistical profile with Bill Connolly. We have Ryan Nanny

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Speaker 3: to just be you know, his usual tell us.

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Speaker 4: About Tampa Tapa, what are we to do when we're

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Speaker 3: He did make some recommendations. Hey, there's Chip Patterson from CBS,

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Speaker 3: and we have who am I forgetting? Right now? We

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Speaker 3: have Andy Staples talk about Nick Saban, Krispy Brown. We

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Speaker 3: have Krispy Brown. I'm being tickled by Chip Patterson right now.

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Speaker 3: We have Krispy Brown. We spoke with him about exactly

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Speaker 3: what Clemson does on offense and how they simplify and

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Speaker 3: how they go about their business. We have Richard Johnson

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Speaker 3: from Espimnation who also is sitting at this table just

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Speaker 3: minding his own business. He has a lot of pertinent

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Speaker 3: information on Alabama's rushing attack and how that has evolved

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Speaker 3: over the last couple of years. Now with Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 3: and all sorts of goodness, I don't what am I

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Speaker 3: am I missing anybody? We have Ryan Abraham to talk

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Speaker 3: about the Sark factor.

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Speaker 4: The Sark factor. It is Sark Week here, which we'll

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Speaker 4: get into in a little bit. So, as we mentioned,

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Speaker 4: they call this audio avenue. Yes, this is now the

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Speaker 4: sixth time I counted that. Yeah, you and I have

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Speaker 4: been at a National champs in Arizona. It's grown in

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Speaker 4: terms of the production that we put into this whole

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Speaker 4: National Championship Week thing. They call this audio avenue. They've

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Speaker 4: been kind enough to invite us to this portion of

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Speaker 4: the media gathering for the last couple of years. Now

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Speaker 4: this year, it's decidedly louder because the room is decidedly narrow. Yes,

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Speaker 4: so I think we're really going to have to project here.

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Speaker 4: That's fine if we want to get our voices out there.

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Speaker 4: These people will not us by the time we leave.

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Speaker 3: So we have around this room. It looks like is

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Speaker 3: that Bobby Bouden over there.

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Speaker 3: You can't tell all old people.

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Speaker 4: I see the Tennessee end zone with the checkerboards, I

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Speaker 3: We've got Tony Bruno behind me, We've got Sirius XM.

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Speaker 3: It's a it's a hearty group. We ran into rivals

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Speaker 3: Fox Sports. We had a knife fight, yep, and they

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Speaker 3: seem to be doing all right. So ty, let's start

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Speaker 3: Big picture, what do you think Alabama Clemson is sort

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Speaker 4: I think it's defined by Alabama's defense and by Alabama's

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Speaker 4: dominance over this stretch that Nick Saban's been there, I

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Speaker 4: That's what comes to mind what I'm interested in, And

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Speaker 4: factors for me, Dan, what's going to work for Clemson,

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Speaker 4: what's going to work for Alabama? What was your starting

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Speaker 4: or were you coming at it from a perspective of

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Speaker 4: transcendent player, could have very easily won the Heisman this year?

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Speaker 4: What was the starting point for you?

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Speaker 3: The starting point was one just figuring out how much

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Speaker 3: it's been tricky to believe in Clemson, even though they've

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Speaker 3: sort of almost run the table. They have the lot

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Speaker 3: the Troy game was very close. The NC State game

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Speaker 3: should have probably been a loss. The loss to Pitt,

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Speaker 3: but then we know what we can get when Clemson

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Speaker 3: if it was just a matter of Clemson playing sloppy

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Speaker 3: especially defensively, it does almost doesn't matter what Alabama does

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Speaker 3: out the differences between good and bad Clemson. That's what

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Speaker 3: it's actually defined by, because they were so close last year.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. So you mentioned the defense, Our favorite meaningless stat

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Speaker 4: is total defense. Alabama led the nation in vent for

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Speaker 4: whatever it's worth. They also led the nation in scoring

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Speaker 3: You want to see what the analytics look like.

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Speaker 4: Whatalytics do you have in front of you?

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Speaker 4: Oh gosh, wow, look at this. Did the solid fiance

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Speaker 3: That she's the one who told me how to use.

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Speaker 3: WHOA Okay, so you know it's real.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, the analytics obviously love both of these teams.

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Speaker 3: There's some weaknesses for Clemson. The only thing that you

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Speaker 4: Here's what spooks me a little bit. All year, it

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Speaker 4: that you can't run on them, you can't score on them, right,

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Speaker 4: You're not going to beat them period. Now they've got

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Speaker 4: What spooks me now is if you read media reports

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Speaker 4: And I don't know why that is, I didn't see

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Speaker 3: Shutout, Hi, shut out.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it was great. I didn't see anything in that

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Speaker 4: that Clemson would all of a sudden win this game.

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Speaker 4: I felt pretty good about what I saw on the

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Speaker 4: I think it was USA today five of seven for Clemson.

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Speaker 4: So I'm starting to like overthink this. It's my most

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Speaker 3: So we know about this matchup already because we've seen it.

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Speaker 3: We saw it last year. There isn't too much that's different.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the Alabama quarterback situation is certainly big, the

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Speaker 3: addition of Mike Williams for Clemson is certainly The loss

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Speaker 3: a big factor. But unlike the Notre Dame matchup, in

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Speaker 4: I'm like Pete Sampson sneaking this way, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Loves it. The thing is with Clemson, they just shut

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Speaker 3: beat Alabama, right, I would think so. Yeah, as with

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Speaker 3: well maybe if and then I think it's a totally

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Speaker 4: Let's put it this way.

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Speaker 4: When I saw the points spread for the Alabama Washington game, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I thought to myself, Alabama can definitely cover this, and

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Speaker 4: they did. When I look at this point spread, depending

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Speaker 4: where you look, six six and a half, seven seven

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Speaker 4: and I say, I saw I don't feel great about that.

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Speaker 3: I think it was odd shark. I think the money

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Speaker 3: is about fifty nine forty one Clemson right.

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Speaker 4: Now, it makes sense to me, and that's kind that's

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Speaker 4: kind of how I feel about it now. Of course,

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Speaker 4: it's a separate ball of wax al together. Can they

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Speaker 4: beat them? Yeah, can they outright beat them? Last year

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Speaker 4: scored scored a eight touchdown, covered the point spread this

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Speaker 4: year can I don't know. I don't know, so that's

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Speaker 4: sort of the whole purpose of this. The game is

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Speaker 4: Monday night, eight pm down here at Tampa at Raymond

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Speaker 4: James Stadium. I don't know if they have the pirate

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Speaker 4: they'll fire the cannons. If any team scores.

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Speaker 3: I would pay attention to Richard Johnson. He will be

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Speaker 3: doing a stadium walkthrough walk through. He will be getting

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Speaker 3: the information that you use such desire to have full disclosure.

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Speaker 3: He's seated right now, still sitting right, He's still seated

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Speaker 3: here since he's already on this show. We don't need

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Speaker 3: We're not paying them enough money. That's right, That's what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: That's what this comes down to. Monday night, eight pm,

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't think there are any major surprises here

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Speaker 3: Two great defenses. I don't think it's a reach at

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Speaker 4: That in a similar close fashion as we did last year.

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Speaker 3: These are the two best houses in college football. They

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Speaker 6: For about the billionth year in a row.

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Speaker 7: Now it seems the national championship is going to go

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Speaker 7: Got to have a certain minute level of talent to

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Speaker 7: Clemson was number twelve with fifty two percent. Really, the

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Speaker 6: And he's been doing it for three years now.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 6: I'm excited to watch this game.

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Speaker 7: You don't see a whole lot of matchups that feature

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Speaker 7: The National Championship rings are going to go to a

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Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, Bud. Next up, where do we look

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Speaker 3: Smart Football and has done some work for The Ringer,

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Speaker 3: formerly of grant Lands. Touched on a number of issues,

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Speaker 3: but really focused in on Clemson, their offense and how

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Speaker 3: well the wrinkles that they've added these past couple of seasons,

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Speaker 3: how well they're working.

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Speaker 4: Chris Brown Smart football dot Com has been a long

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Speaker 4: time guest of the show, has a lot to offer.

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Speaker 2: I mean, as we know, Clemson went Inity are not

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Speaker 2: wanting to run Deshaun Watson too much, which is I

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Speaker 2: think a smart move, but is also a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a challenge at times when you're a spread offense

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Speaker 2: that's sort of designed and originally built to include quarterback

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Speaker 2: run in what you do. Otherwise you'd run a pro

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Speaker 2: style offense and do something else. So at times it's

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Speaker 2: not like this year they're playing with one hand behind

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Speaker 2: their back, but against Ohio State you saw them unveil

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Speaker 2: a couple things that hadn't shown previously and then also

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Speaker 2: just emphasize a couple more that they've been working on

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Speaker 2: this year. One of the main ones, and ironically you

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Speaker 2: actually saw Alabama run the same play was something growing

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Speaker 2: out of a play that Cam Newton made famous a

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Speaker 2: few years ago, which is called the inverted veer or

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Speaker 2: the power read, which is basically where the offensive line

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Speaker 2: will block sort of an old school traditional power play.

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Speaker 2: The backside guard will pull around, but instead of sending

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Speaker 2: your full back to kick out or block that defensive

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Speaker 2: end like you see Stanford and Michigan running with Jim Harbaugh.

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Speaker 2: The quarterback will read that defender and he'll either hand

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Speaker 2: it off to a running back on a sweep around end,

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Speaker 2: or if you remember Cam Newton winning the Heisman Trophy,

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Speaker 2: sort of keeping it himself and running right up the

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Speaker 2: middle for a big run. That play has been effective

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Speaker 2: for the last five six years in college football. You've

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Speaker 2: seen a lot of teams try to find new ways

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Speaker 2: and new wrinkles that take that same idea and expand

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Speaker 2: on it or do different things. One of the cool

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Speaker 2: ones is something that high school coaches talk about really

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Speaker 2: a short time on about a year ago, and then

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Speaker 2: suddenly a bunch of teams started running it this year,

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Speaker 2: including Clumbs and then again later in the year Alabama,

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Speaker 2: which is where instead of putting the ball in the

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Speaker 2: running back's belly as he sort of fakes a sweep

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Speaker 2: and then letting him try to dash around end, the

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Speaker 2: right back will actually swing out and the quarterback has

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Speaker 2: the option to either pitch it to him or keep

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Speaker 2: it up the middle himself, which allows the running back

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Speaker 2: to get wide much more quickly. It kind of what

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Speaker 2: it does is it kind of takes the old speed

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Speaker 2: option like the Nebraska you know old school option fotball

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Speaker 2: where the quarterback runs down the line and can either

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Speaker 2: pitch it or keep it himself, and combines it with

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Speaker 2: this the inverted veer power read game, where it's a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a it's both a faster read gets

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Speaker 2: it to the running back faster, or a little bit slower,

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Speaker 2: more deliberate run inside. So you saw you've seen Clemson

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Speaker 2: using a bunch of times. Well this year they pitched

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Speaker 2: outside the Wayne Goldman a couple of times. When Alabama

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Speaker 2: ran it, you saw Jayalen Hurts keep it up inside

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Speaker 2: for like a first down. But the other marinkle is

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Speaker 2: that Ohio State was ready for that play. They were ready.

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Speaker 2: They clearly scouted it. So where they really killed Ohio

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Speaker 2: State and Deshaun Watson at a touchdown and two or

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Speaker 2: three really huge runs was where he faked like he

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Speaker 2: was tossing it, but then instead of running the power

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Speaker 2: read to the same side, he came back the other

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Speaker 2: way and ran what they call a counterplayer counter tray

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Speaker 2: where the guard and then the tight end would pull

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Speaker 2: around and lead around, which, ironically to Ohio State, was

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Speaker 2: probably one of their best plays. Is the counter tray,

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Speaker 2: and when you saw Ohio State try to defend the thing,

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Speaker 2: they ended up a guy short. A couple of different times.

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Speaker 2: Watson took it down the sideway for a bunch of

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Speaker 2: big games, and so it was. It was a great

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Speaker 2: example using the bowl season to both expand what they

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Speaker 2: were doing, using more runs with Deshaun Watson when it's

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Speaker 2: crunch time, but then also taking Ohio these preparation and

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Speaker 2: using it against them, which is something you have to

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Speaker 2: do against Alabama because you know they've will have watched

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Speaker 2: ten years of your film and scouted you out and

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Speaker 2: know every tendency. See, you have to strategically break your Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: So who does it specifically stress this this variation on

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Speaker 3: a single concept, Who on the defense is it meant

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Speaker 3: to make make a quick decision? And you say, Ohio

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Speaker 3: State was ready. So now with even more variations to

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Speaker 3: this play, how do you anticipate teams? And I guess

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Speaker 3: specifically Alabama in this case or Clemson in this case

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Speaker 3: defensively since they both run an offense, what is a

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Speaker 3: potential solution to cover every single area if possible.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that's that's the whole game. Is you can't

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Speaker 2: cover every single area. So the play the bass play itself,

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Speaker 2: whether it's the inverted Viera, the toss toss read concept

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Speaker 2: is you're just trying to read the defensive end. So

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Speaker 2: if he goes out with the running back of the

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Speaker 2: quarterback keeps it inside. If you crash it down inside,

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Speaker 2: you you pitch it outside. You defend that by getting

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Speaker 2: your other players involved. Safety is coming downhill, linebackers scraping

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Speaker 2: over the top to stop the running back, and then

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Speaker 2: that's when you start opening up other things. So Ohio

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Speaker 2: State plays a quarters cover four defense, so which basically

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Speaker 2: requires the safeties to be hard run defenders, and then

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Speaker 2: they also give a lot of flexibility because the safeties

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Speaker 2: are there on sort of either side of the line to

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Speaker 2: the linebackers to flow fast and defend the play. So

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Speaker 2: that was why Clemson then faked the toss read and

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Speaker 2: then ran the counter the other way, and you had

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Speaker 2: the linebackers either hesitated or over pursued towards where the

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Speaker 2: running back went. And then so when Watson sort of

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Speaker 2: took it around end, you actually saw on a couple

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Speaker 2: of them the pulling tight end base almost had no

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Speaker 2: one to block until he was five, six, seven, eight

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Speaker 2: yards downfield. The ended up hooking the safety and resulting

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Speaker 2: a big game. So that was where Clemson saw the

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Speaker 2: reaction from Ohio State and then stressed the linebackers. A

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Speaker 2: fun example from earlier in the years, Ole Miss runs

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Speaker 2: this play a little bit, and when they played Alabama

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Speaker 2: early on, Alabama had its safeties coming down hill hard

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Speaker 2: because they were Savans known for playing sort of Cover

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Speaker 2: one with a single safety deep or Cover three, but

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Speaker 2: actually against a lot of spread teams, he'll play a

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Speaker 2: lot more sort of two safety looks where the safeties

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Speaker 2: can get involved in the run game. And they ran

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Speaker 2: a play where they faked the toss read, the running

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Speaker 2: back ran out wide, the guard pulled, but it was

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Speaker 2: a play action pass and they had a sixty three

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Speaker 2: yard touchdown wide open because the safety and sort of

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Speaker 2: the nickel guy both just came up to try to

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Speaker 2: stop the sweep in the quarterback. So that's the fun

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Speaker 2: part about it is that it's a cat and mouse

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Speaker 2: game sort of on the macro sense, but even in

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Speaker 2: the micro you figure out who's overreacting, what are they

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Speaker 2: doing to take away the play, and then you come

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Speaker 2: back with something else to try to take advantage. I

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Speaker 2: do expect to see clems and take a couple of shots,

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Speaker 2: maybe faking the toss read or even the toss sort

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Speaker 2: of read counter or that they were running, and then

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Speaker 2: maybe trying to take a shot to Mike Williams or

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Speaker 2: somebody downfield.

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Speaker 3: Do you anticipate Alabama being able to adjust quickly? I

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Speaker 3: mean we're still talking about about seven to nine days

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Speaker 3: to be able to adjust to all of the different

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Speaker 3: options that Clemson will have. Or is it simply a

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Speaker 3: cat and mouse thing and hope that your talent is

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Speaker 3: good enough to play on an island?

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Speaker 2: I mean, yes and no. Will Alabama adjusts and alaban

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Speaker 2: be prepared? Yes, that team does nothing but adjust and prepare,

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Speaker 2: and even within series, between series, between plays, once you

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Speaker 2: do something that works, you know the old adage with Alabama,

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Speaker 2: and I've heard everybody from Gus malls On to other

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Speaker 2: people say, if it worked in you know, one series,

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Speaker 2: don't expect it to ever work again, because that team

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Speaker 2: adjusts like no other. You know. On the other hand,

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Speaker 2: you know, there's there's a limited number of numbers. And

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Speaker 2: this is where Clemson now being in the in the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: where they're they're sort of using the full talents of Watson,

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Speaker 2: understand that they don't want to take him to take

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Speaker 2: a bunch of hits, but using his full talents to

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Speaker 2: try to stress the defense. So then it does result

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Speaker 2: in Okay, if Alabama's going to bring a safety up,

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Speaker 2: maybe they don't, you know, fake them out like all

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Speaker 2: missed it. But you still have a one on one

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Speaker 2: with you know, Mike Williams or somebody and just it's

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Speaker 2: just a regular play action pass or some mother traditional

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Speaker 2: run or they're able to option a guy or do something.

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Speaker 2: But then you know, the other element too, is that

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Speaker 2: the play only works if you can block the counter

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Speaker 2: or block the power. And as you've seen, you know,

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Speaker 2: even Washington, who I thought had a perfectly rational plan

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Speaker 2: against Alabama, they might make the right read, but can't

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Speaker 2: block Jonathan Allen on the double team, and he splits

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Speaker 2: her double team and then you know he was ready

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Speaker 2: to tackle the quarterback two years deep in the backfield.

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Speaker 2: You had the right scheme, but just didn't get those

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Speaker 2: guys blocked. And that's that's a lot of what Alabama's

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Speaker 2: just done to people this year, is that you know,

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Speaker 2: a scheme destroyers, you have a great plan but can't

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Speaker 2: block the front seven.

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Speaker 3: Something you've also written about recently is you've looked over

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Speaker 3: an older Clemson playbook from a couple of years ago

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Speaker 3: and sort of notice certain themes throughout, and it seemed

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Speaker 3: like the main thing that jumped out to you was simplicity,

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Speaker 3: which has gone a long way obviously for Clemson. I

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Speaker 3: think there's something like fifty nine to nine since they

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Speaker 3: lost the Orange Bowl. How do you think a sort

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Speaker 3: of theme and notion of simplicit city plays to Clemson's

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Speaker 3: possible strength against a near impossible defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a strength until it isn't. So

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Speaker 2: it's a strengthen that it gets everywhere on the same page.

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Speaker 2: They're able to play with a lot of tempo. Is

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Speaker 2: what a lot of that's built around is that they

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Speaker 2: have a good number of formations, but they don't They

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Speaker 2: don't throw a ton of concepts at you, and then

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Speaker 2: they do include things. They include a variety of concepts

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Speaker 2: or ideas or different schemes without having to have a

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Speaker 2: million ways to do each one. So they have quick passes,

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Speaker 2: downfield passes, play action passes, sort of shot sort of

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Speaker 2: deep plays. They have base runs, option runs, read runs, screens.

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Speaker 2: They have all those different things, but they don't have

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Speaker 2: a huge playbook like there's some kind of West Coast offense.

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Speaker 2: They have one hundred versions of each and so it

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Speaker 2: allows them to play fast, play efficient, and they're very good.

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Speaker 2: And I give a credit to Davo at a staff.

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Speaker 2: They really think players not plays. They're not. They're not

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Speaker 2: trying to say fool you though, they're they're doing soundstf

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Speaker 2: up and try to, you know, get advantages. But it's it's,

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Speaker 2: you know, recruit really good players and get them the

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Speaker 2: ball in their hands and put them in good, good positions.

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Speaker 2: But eventually you know there there can be limits, is

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Speaker 2: too much simplicity if the other team knows what's coming

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Speaker 2: and they can stop it, I mean, and that's sort

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Speaker 2: of the ultimate challenge on that is playing an experienced,

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Speaker 2: well coached Alabama defense who who their preparation is is unreal.

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Speaker 2: You can't tell me that that they didn't spend some

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Speaker 2: of the bowl preparation time on Clemson, a team they

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Speaker 2: also prepared for last year, so they're very familiar with them.

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Speaker 2: And so a question then becomes that they if Alabama

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Speaker 2: can get ahead of you, do you have answers, and

652
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Speaker 2: and that's where the challenges if you're too simple, is

653
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Speaker 2: that if they take away sort of option A m

654
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: B and you just don't even have a C. So

655
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: so that's where that that kind of mouse game goes.

656
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: It's also just a matter of the other thing I

657
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: thought was interesting in the playbook was the passing game

658
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: was really really really simple. I mean it was like

659
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: almost so simple. It's like it's kind of a high

660
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: school passing game at times. Now they've grown it a lot.

661
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: That was from twenty thirteen Deshaun Watson. They've really tried

662
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: to expand it to to sort of benefit the sounds,

663
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: but they're not running the West Coast offense over there.

664
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: A lot of it is based on you got to

665
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: defend the run. You got to defend the formations, you

666
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: got to defend the tempo. You got to fend the

667
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: read the read option stuff. And then they'll even do

668
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: the run pass options things for you know, if you

669
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: crash down, the throw a hitchress or a little you know,

670
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: a quick screen or something like that, and then only that,

671
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: and then they'll even do some you know, motions and

672
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: bootlegs and stuff to get the pass game and only

673
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: at that point is that okay, and go drop back

674
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: and read one, two, three, four in a pass progression.

675
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: But I think it's really hard to do that against

676
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: Alabama because they rush you so fast. But it's also

677
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: a team that is going to force you to do

678
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: what you don't feature. And last year in the Bowl,

679
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: in the in the championship game, you know, Watson threw

680
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: the ball really well and the biggest thing was the

681
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: receivers went up and made a bunch of contested catches

682
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: and big plays. And so I think that will be

683
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: the stress on Clemsons playbook, on Watson himself, and then

684
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: on on on the whole Clemson team is can they

685
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: execute in the past game against the defense that I

686
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: mean they're running in an NFL sophisticated defense over there.

687
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: It's like the Bible their playbook. And so I mean,

688
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: I always say, comparing Clemson's offensive playbook to Alabama's defensive playbook,

689
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: there are more pages dedicated to path concepts and offensive

690
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: formations and schemes in Alabama's defensive playbook than they were

691
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: in Clemson's offensive playbook. It is a Bible of defense.

692
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: So so that would be a real challenge and I mean,

693
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: you know, the the group that I'm I think we'll

694
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: know pretty early in the game how how the flow

695
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: of the game is going to go. Because last year

696
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: Clemson's offensive line played outs out really really well. Obviously

697
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: Watson played great and Golman and those guys, but the

698
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: offensive line blocked those guys, and I think that's the

699
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: you know, we'll see in the first few series. Can

700
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: they block Alabama? Because as I said, you can have

701
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: all the great scheme in the world, a lot of that.

702
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 2: You know, Alabama's made a habit of throwing that out

703
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: the window by just being in your backfield the whole game.

704
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: Final question, it's something you've talked about extensively, not just

705
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 3: with Nick Saban, but also with some other really noted

706
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: defensive minds like Gary Patterson. Alabama plays a couple of

707
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: different coverages against you know, we're talking about a very

708
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 3: good quarterback and Deshaun Watson, but against everybody, and the

709
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: thing that you've sort of come back to and explained,

710
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: and if you could just give a cliffs notes, especially

711
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: since Clemson will run some we'll run a lot of

712
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: tempo and a lot of run pass option at times,

713
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: what exactly is pattern matching and how can it help

714
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 3: to deaden run pass option and some sort of more

715
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: stressful spread option attacks.

716
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: Sure, a couple couple of elements of pattern matching, and

717
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: really at this point it's just becomes sort of a principle,

718
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: and I think it's actually increasingly difficult to find teams

719
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: that don't use some sort of pattern match concept as

720
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: opposed to traditional zone. And so all pattern matching is

721
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: is really it's somewhere between a matchup zone and basketball.

722
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: There another way to think about it is it's just

723
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: mann to man, but instead of just old school backyard

724
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: saying I got him, I got him, I got him,

725
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 2: and you just play man across the field. It's a

726
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: man to man, but there's some rules and principles, so

727
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 2: meaning that I have man to man on him if

728
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: he runs ten yards downfield, and then I just play

729
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: man on him everywhere. Or I have man to man

730
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: on him if he runs a short route, but then

731
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: if he doesn't, I'm gonna then become a floating robber player,

732
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: or I'll go double team someone else. And so it's

733
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: just rules. I increasingly just think about it's rules for

734
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: mando man defense, which is one reason why I think

735
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: Alabama is so good at coaching is because they play

736
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: a lot of just true man and then they also

737
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: mix in pattern match concepts. And so the other element

738
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 2: is that one reason they're so good at pass defense

739
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: is that because they're a pattern match. It's the rules

740
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: for mando man. But then they specifically and as I said,

741
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: their playbook has like one hundred and something pages on

742
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: like passing concepts. Is that Saban teaches them, not just

743
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: you know the old school zone is dropped to your

744
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: zone and you know, watch read the quarterback's eyes and

745
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: break on the ball. And this goes back to saving

746
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: time with Bill Belichick. I mean he's just say, you know,

747
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: you're playing Dan Marino, they will break on the ball.

748
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: Shit don't work. So that's how where a lot of

749
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: this grew out of. So they they have names for them.

750
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: So they they name it's like, you know, one concept

751
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: is poll, another is slugo, another is seam, another is

752
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: is whatever the concept. So they actually teach the defense

753
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: here's the actual passing concept they're running. And so when

754
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: you read their playbook, it looks like a like an

755
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: NFL playbook for an offense because they have every pass

756
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 2: concept that you could see. So what that does is

757
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: a few things. One a big tenet of Savings defenses

758
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: is he doesn't like to give you easy throws. You know,

759
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: he talks a lot about when you watch one on

760
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: one drills for you know, the defenses that they're playing

761
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: off coverage, it's like eighty percent eighty five percent completions

762
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 2: for the offense, but all of a sudden you get

763
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 2: there and press them and challenge receivers, the completion percentage

764
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: drops toll like thirty twenty five percent. Now, most coaches

765
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: are afraid to because they're afraid of getting be deep.

766
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: But a Savan's got great athletes and he personally coaches

767
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: the secondary. They also have a great pass rush. You

768
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: have a lot of time. And then the big thing

769
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: is his theory is that if you just can get

770
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: offensives off schedule. So the other thing was where it

771
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 2: helps defend on things like run pass options is just

772
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,479
Speaker 2: the fact that they're actually covering all the receivers. They're

773
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 2: defending them all. The whole point of a run pass

774
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 2: option is you're either running the ball or you're taking

775
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: some sort of gimme easy throw, like a quick screen

776
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 2: to the outside. Or like a five yard stop route

777
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: by a receiver and they're just covering those receivers taking

778
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: them away. I will say pattern match, you could argue,

779
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 2: is at times more vulnerable to run pass options. And

780
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: if you watch you know, like a team like the

781
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 2: Baylor teams or some of those that sort of were

782
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: very aggressive run pass option teams, a lot of that

783
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: was designed around taking advantage of pattern match teams because

784
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 2: those teams will often have players who are in sort

785
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: of both run in pass responsibility. So there's still elements

786
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 2: to that. But I think the biggest thing that Alabama

787
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: does that makes it hard to run and be really

788
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: good at run pass options against them is that they

789
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: just run so many defenses you don't know where they're

790
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 2: going to be. It's like it's sort of like old

791
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 2: school option football. If you're you run the triple option,

792
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: you're trying to read the defensive end with the defensive

793
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: tackle or the linebacker. If they're moving defenses and blitzing

794
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: guys and moving stunts and playing I mean say it.

795
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: I mean you talk about coverages. I mean a lot

796
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: of them are variations on the same coverages, but I

797
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: mean they have seventy coverages fifty coverages, you know, all

798
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: these different Seahawks, a solo special clip, cover two buster like,

799
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: you know, cover two cut, like all these different rules

800
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 2: that just change little subtle things that make it really hard.

801
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: So if you don't know who you're optioning, and in

802
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: this case, a run pass option, it's really hard. And

803
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: then that leads to indecision and either a mistake or

804
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: interception or just a blown out play. So Alan, it

805
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: is really hard. I think Clemson's actually got a shot,

806
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: but I think we'll learn pretty early whether they can

807
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: move the ball. The advantage for Clemson is that they

808
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: can get up Alabama's often. I don't think it's geared

809
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: to throw the ball and come back, though they did

810
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: it against All miss But but it'll be a challenge.

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00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 4: All right. Again, that is our good friend Chris B.

812
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 4: Brown from Smart Football dot Com. We didn't just want

813
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 4: to leave you with one bit of scheme. Yeah, theme

814
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: type stuff. Did we hit on Clemson. We hit on

815
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 4: some of the Alabama defensive stuff. But there's a whole

816
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 4: other world in this game. There's a whole other world

817
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 4: in this game, and we alluded to it a little

818
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 4: bit earlier. Jalen hurts this year gave Alabama a whole

819
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 4: different dimension.

820
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: He did.

821
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 4: We're not used to seeing, you know, a guy who

822
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 4: can run. Jake Kocher didn't run last year. I think

823
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 4: back o roy Rad Gallops. Yeah, I mean, this is

824
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 4: not part of Alabama's offensive game plan, and it's made

825
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 4: them all the more dangerous. So we wanted to talk

826
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 4: to somebody who could fill in the gaps and let

827
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 4: us know how has this changed things? How will it

828
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 4: changed things in this game?

829
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Speaker 8: Well, I think the best answer is they actually use him,

830
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 8: and they use him a lot. You know, in previous

831
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 8: years kind of because of the class of quarterback that

832
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 8: Nick Saban recruited in that Alabama had, they just didn't

833
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 8: really they didn't really have guys that were runners. They

834
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 8: were running a more pro style, kind of bash you

835
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 8: over the head type of offensive system. But as Nick

836
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 8: Saban has seen what types of offenses have beaten him

837
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 8: or at least given him trouble in the past few

838
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 8: years at Alabama, the Tide have evolved into this and

839
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 8: this is really really good and really really hard to stop.

840
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 8: Because Jalen hurts is I don't want to call him

841
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 8: a glorified running back. That's taking away from his ceiling

842
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 8: as a passer, which I think is high, although he

843
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 8: hasn't met it because he's just a freshman, and I

844
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 8: understand that. But he is the leading ball carrier on

845
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 8: this team, like he is their best running back and

846
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 8: their quarterback. And that's what's so so scary about kind

847
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 8: of this like three now a three headed monster that

848
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 8: album has.

849
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 4: And beyond that, they're gonna.

850
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 8: Use both Scarborough a lot in the National Championship Game

851
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 8: as well, lane Kiffin said. And this is even in

852
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 8: the wake of his you know ouster, whatever you want

853
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 8: to call it. Lane Kiffin has said that the game

854
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 8: plan was to give Bo Scarborough the ball more than

855
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 8: any person on Alabama's roster. So in essence, the thing

856
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 8: might even I don't think it's gonna flip to Jalen

857
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 8: Hurd's not getting so many carries. I just think Alabama

858
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 8: in general is going to run the ball a lot

859
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 8: more in the National Championship Game. It's just going to

860
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 8: be more from like a two headed thing than it

861
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 8: is just Jalen or a reliance on just Bo Scarborough.

862
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 8: It's gonna be the both of them kind of taking

863
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 8: cracks at Clemson's at Clemson's defense.

864
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 3: Schematically, what are the keys for Alabama's success rushing the

865
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Speaker 3: ball successfully in this new formation? In this new strategy, it.

866
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 8: Is still largely the zone runs inside and outside zone

867
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 8: that they've always done, the wrinkles that they that they employ.

868
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 8: You know, they'll do some stuff with some wide receiver sweeps.

869
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 8: You'll see Alabama do a little bit of mid line

870
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 8: option where instead of you know, typically in a zone

871
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 8: read or an option system, you'll see the quarterback read

872
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 8: the defensive end, but in a mid line option he

873
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 8: literally will read like the nose tackle. Like he'll read

874
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 8: a defensive tackle instead of defensive end. So it'll look

875
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 8: a little bit different on a film and you'll say, oh, well,

876
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 8: what was that. Well, he's still making a read, it's

877
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 8: just a different player that he's reading. But they'll also

878
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 8: use receivers. They send receivers in motion a lot more

879
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 8: than anything. They do it to get the eye discipline

880
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 8: of the defense going the wrong way. They want you

881
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 8: to pay attention to the wide receiver and almost kind

882
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 8: of use him as a decoy to get you out

883
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 8: of phase or to move you out of position and

884
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 8: negate whatever angle you may have. So the blocking angle

885
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 8: is more advantageous for Alabama, and you know, Jalen Hurts

886
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 8: as a really really asked athlete, or even Bo Scarborough

887
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 8: is better suited to blow by you because you, as

888
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 8: a tackler, do not have the angle that you once did.

889
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 8: But the bread and butter is still inside and outside zone.

890
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 8: It's the same thing that your own college football team

891
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 8: probably runs. If you're a fan of the sport. It

892
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 8: is what pretty much everybody runs, and Alabama, obviously with

893
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 8: their horses, just do it better than anybody else.

894
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: How simple do you feel like Alabama's offense has been

895
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 3: made for a true freshman quarterback?

896
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 8: I don't know if simple is the word to put it.

897
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 8: I do think like they've added things that suit him,

898
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 8: like they've just they've plugged him into a system that

899
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 8: more suits him. I think as an athlete, as a

900
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 8: general athlete, even more than just a quarterback. You know,

901
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 8: I know they don't throw the ball, some of the

902
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 8: concepts and that kind of stuff in a passing game.

903
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 8: You know, they're not terribly complex or intricate. But then

904
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 8: that goes back to the fact that they they run

905
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 8: the ball a lot, and they run it really, really well.

906
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 8: So you know it is, like I said, it is

907
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 8: largely the same Alabama. They've added some things, you know.

908
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 8: Chris Brown Smart Football wrote about the toss read that

909
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 8: they have. I hadn't got a chance to read that,

910
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 8: but like that's one of those like little wrinkles that

911
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 8: they do that I think people like think, is this

912
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 8: like really really big thing, But it's it is essentially

913
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 8: an add in to the general running game concepts that

914
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 8: they already have in place. Like Alabama's not going to

915
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 8: reinvent the wheel, really, They're just going to kind of

916
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 8: tweak what works and continue to do it at a

917
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 8: very high level.

918
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: With respect to other teams that have been certainly doing

919
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 3: this longer. How well do you feel like al Alabama

920
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: has executed. How successful does Alabama look running a more wide, open,

921
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: running quarterback friendly offense.

922
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 8: Oh, they look good, And they look good because.

923
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 6: Of the personnel more than anything else.

924
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 8: I mean, like I've already said it, like the personnel,

925
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 8: it's just really good. Like it's still just really good.

926
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 8: And if Hurts was a more polished passer at this

927
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 8: stage in his development, I think they would look even better.

928
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 8: I mean, if they were able to really I mean

929
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 8: Calvin Ridley is a guy that and our Darius Stewart

930
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 8: just really really talented whiteouts. Gar Dieters a tight end

931
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 8: like these guys are, I don't want to say lost

932
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 8: in the sauce, but a little bit forgotten about just

933
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 8: because Alabama doesn't necessarily, like in that Washington game, like

934
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 8: they didn't really hit one of those like Alabama play

935
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 8: action bombs that you kind of expect them to hit

936
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 8: when they run so well. So those other kind of

937
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 8: like wide receivers like that, they're not even really getting

938
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 8: used as much as in years past or you know,

939
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 8: really showing off what they can do.

940
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 4: All right, That was Richard Johnson. We've got much more

941
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 4: to discuss here on our layered college football National Championship preview.

942
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: Are we getting to the sour cream?

943
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: Now?

944
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 3: Is that how that's working?

945
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 4: A little black beab, that's I think that's sort of

946
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 4: how it's going. Look, so let's pay some bills. We'll

947
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Speaker 4: a better way to cook. Daniel. Yes, there is another

968
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 4: storyline that is being widely reported. As you know, Blank

969
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 4: Kiffen no longer the offensive coordinator for Alabama. He was

970
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 4: all year, he was all last year. Yeah, most important

971
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 4: game of the season. Nick Saban decides, Ah, let's turn

972
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 4: it over to the understudy.

973
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: Here before that, if I recall correctly as well, Yeah,

974
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: let's turn it over to one Steve Sarkisian. Indeed, So

975
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: started the season out looking like he was going to

976
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: be calling like the number three Fox Sports one Big

977
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 3: Twelve Game of the Week, finishes the season controlling an

978
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 3: offense for his first national championship since his run at USC.

979
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 4: I mean it's a bit of a meteoric rise.

980
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say so.

981
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 4: It'd be more meteoric if he didn't already have some

982
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 4: prominent head coaching and play calling experience. But nonetheless it

983
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 4: is notable in the biggest game of the college football season.

984
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 4: What we wanted to do is figure just how is

985
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 4: this going to factor in? We needed to find somebody.

986
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 4: Is there anybody out there that you can think of?

987
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 4: I don't know, somebody who knows what both these guys

988
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 4: can do as play callers. Sure, if we can find

989
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 4: that human being, maybe you could add another layer here.

990
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 3: I feel like if we could find somebody, perhaps perhaps

991
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: who has followed USC for decades and might know some

992
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 3: tendencies and per personality quirks of Steve Sarkisian. Maybe somebody

993
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 3: like Ryan Abraham of USC football dot Com to weigh in.

994
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 4: Ryan Abraham, he's seen both play callers up close and

995
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 4: in person. How are these guys like, how are they different?

996
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: How to listen?

997
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 9: There are certainly some similarities between Lane Kiffin and Steve Sarkisian,

998
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 9: both coming from that Pete Carroll Tree at USC as

999
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 9: far as being offensive coordinators and play callers. First, with

1000
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 9: Steve Sarkasian, I think he's actually probably a better play

1001
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 9: caller than Lane. I think a little bit less ego

1002
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 9: gets involved, and I can talk about that in a

1003
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 9: minute with Lane Kiffin, but I don't think he's probably

1004
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 9: like as an original thinker as Lane. Lane's a little

1005
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 9: bit more creative, maybe thinking more outside of the box.

1006
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 9: I think what you saw he ran more of a

1007
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 9: spread system up in Seattle, and I really like the

1008
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 9: way he utilized the tight ends and focused on the

1009
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 9: running game too. It wasn't just a pass happy offense,

1010
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 9: and they kind of got away from that when he

1011
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 9: came to USC. But you know what you saw in Seattle,

1012
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 9: I thought there were some real positive signs there, and

1013
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 9: then you know, coming back down to USC, the offense,

1014
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 9: you know, it wasn't really what a lot of USC

1015
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 9: fans thought it was going to be. Now, he only

1016
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 9: lasted for eighteen games, and I think it's still a

1017
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 9: lot of that was under development, and you saw Cody

1018
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 9: Kussler be a really efficient passer under Steve Starkesian, but

1019
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 9: it really wasn't quite the explosive offense that a lot

1020
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 9: of people would have liked to see. As far as

1021
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 9: Lane Kiffin goes, I do think his ego kind of

1022
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 9: gets in the way sometimes as a play caller. He

1023
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 9: does seem to be a guy that's a lot more

1024
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 9: about the x's and o's of the play than the

1025
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 9: you know, the Jimmies and Joe's. You have a lot

1026
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 9: of great players and a lot of times you're just

1027
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 9: trying to fool somebody or you know, show somebody how

1028
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 9: smart you are. And I think you could see that

1029
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 9: in a lot of the games he called, especially this

1030
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 9: last game in the semi final, when you're talking, you

1031
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 9: have a running back that's just bowling people over and

1032
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 9: you decide to go away from that, and and it's

1033
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 9: just you've seen that before, even like using the util

1034
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 9: of the tight end he waited to all season last

1035
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 9: year until the National Championship Game. There's so many weapons

1036
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 9: there at Alabama, and I think it gets to the

1037
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,959
Speaker 9: point where if there's something that's obviously working, he doesn't

1038
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 9: want to use it because it doesn't really give him a.

1039
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 4: Whole lot of credit.

1040
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 9: If you see bos Scarborough just running people over, everyone

1041
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 9: kind of knows that all ray, So he'd rather do

1042
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 9: something else to show you how smart he is.

1043
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 4: So that's good info. The other thing we asked Ryan

1044
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 4: is how he thinks Sark is going to handle this

1045
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 4: sudden onslaught of pressure. Because he's been on the sidelines

1046
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 4: since its dismissal from USC This is a big spot

1047
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 4: to just plug and play. How will he deal with

1048
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 4: that kind of pressure.

1049
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm more curious long term what his situation at

1050
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 3: Alabama is. I think, you know, in a short amount

1051
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 3: of time, Yes, he's being thrust into a big position

1052
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 3: like the National Championship Game, but it's basically a week.

1053
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 3: It is a week, and he will either figure out

1054
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 3: how to make it his own and sort of call

1055
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 3: this game successfully or he won't. I'm curious about the

1056
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 3: weekend week out the recruiting, the meeting, that whole thing.

1057
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 3: What Steve Sarkisian's long term tenure a year, two years,

1058
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 3: three years looks like at Alabama, That's the fascinating thing.

1059
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 9: Here's what Ryan Abraham had to say as far as

1060
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 9: sark taking over for Lanes, Certainly there's going to be

1061
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 9: a lot of pressure there, but there's not a lot

1062
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 9: of time to think about it.

1063
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 4: Five or six days.

1064
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 9: We've seen you know, Sark fold under pressure at usc

1065
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 9: as last game when he played his former team Washington.

1066
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 9: But he's had a lot of time off and I think,

1067
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 9: you know, hopefully his mind is right and he'll be

1068
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 9: able to jump back into the game. But just from

1069
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 9: being on the sidelines all this time, you're thrust into

1070
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 9: the most important game probably of your career. I do

1071
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 9: think there's going to be a lot of pressure there,

1072
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 9: but he's not going to be able to change all

1073
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 9: that much. I do expect it to see. I think

1074
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 9: he's going to recognize probably what works best and where

1075
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 9: the best assets are. I think you're going to see

1076
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 9: Jalen Hurts, you know, run the ball just like you

1077
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 9: normally would, but both Scarborough being able to pound the

1078
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 9: ball of it. Maybe it won't be as easy against

1079
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 9: that Clemson front versus Washington, but I think they're going

1080
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 9: to be committed to the run, and I think you're

1081
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 9: going to utilize the tight end position a little bit more,

1082
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 9: which can be kind of a security blanket for any quarterback,

1083
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 9: especially a freshman one. So I kind of think he's

1084
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 9: going to do okay in that role. You know, it's

1085
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 9: Nick Saban's show and Steve Sarkisian is basically just taking

1086
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 9: over as the show for He's not going to be

1087
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 9: asked to do a lot. Call the plays, get the

1088
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 9: guys out there, you have, you know, superior athletes most

1089
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 9: of the time, put them in a position to win,

1090
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 9: and I think he'll be able.

1091
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: To do that.

1092
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 4: All Right, There you go everything you ever wanted to

1093
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 4: know about Steve Sarkisian. Yeah, Link Kiffin, what have you from?

1094
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 4: A guy who would know Ryan Abraham from USC football the.

1095
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 3: Smartest of us all, living in southern California in the sunshine?

1096
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 8: You know it?

1097
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 10: Man?

1098
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 4: All right? You've heard the expression the game within the game. Yeah,

1099
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 4: I think it's overused. There are like eight different games

1100
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 4: within this game. And we're doing our best here with

1101
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 4: this preview to try and cover them all the coaches.

1102
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 4: How could we omit the coaches. Let's talk about coaches now.

1103
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, first up as Andy Staples, who has written about

1104
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 3: the process, and the key thing to remember with Nick

1105
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 3: Saban and the process in Alabama is it's not a

1106
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 3: results oriented thing. It is a literal journey to the results.

1107
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 3: That's where the satisfaction comes from. So really interested to

1108
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 3: hear from Andy about where he feels like this year's

1109
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 3: Alabama team ranks or just sort of settles among the

1110
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 3: recent great Alabama teams. And if he feels like Nick

1111
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 3: Nick Saban is in a place where he is he

1112
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 3: is pleased, He is satisfied his happy places. Absolutely.

1113
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 10: I think he's pretty pleased because this is sort of

1114
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 10: his evolution plan coming to Fruition. You know, he started

1115
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 10: this thing probably even before Johnny Football beat them in

1116
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 10: twenty twelve. He was aware that the offense was changing,

1117
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 10: that they were going to have to deal with more

1118
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 10: and more duel threat quarterbacks, that the things that they

1119
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 10: did on defense weren't going to work as well anymore

1120
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 10: as the game evolved. So he started recruiting like the

1121
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 10: class of twenty thirteen, Jonathan Allen, Tim Williams. Those guys

1122
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 10: are not guys that they necessarily would have recruited for

1123
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 10: the same positions in two thousand and eight, because before

1124
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 10: the defense was designed to stop LSU, they had to

1125
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 10: deal with LSU. That was the biggest threat to them.

1126
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 10: And LSU played basically like they did. They were you know,

1127
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 10: could play in a phone booth downhill running. You needed

1128
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 10: to be huge up the middle. You needed Terrence Cody

1129
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 10: three hundred and forty pounds up the middle. You needed

1130
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 10: Rolando McClaine two hundred and sixty five pounds behind him.

1131
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 10: Now you've got Duran Payne at about three fifteen in

1132
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 10: three twenty, and then behind him you've got Reuben Foster

1133
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 10: at like two twenty eight and Jonathan Allen at two ninety,

1134
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 10: where Jesse Williams played at about three twenty. So it's

1135
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 10: it is definitely shrunken the defense, and then offensively, the

1136
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 10: chance is more obvious because they went after the same

1137
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 10: kind of quarterback that they were having trouble with and

1138
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 10: they finally landed one of Jalen Hurts and low and behold,

1139
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 10: he wins the starting job as freshman year. So I

1140
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 10: think this is the result of all the changes that

1141
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 10: he started making around twenty twelve. It's hard to tell

1142
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 10: if it was before or after that season that they

1143
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 10: began in earnest, but the fact that a lot of

1144
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 10: these guys that are in the twenty thirteen class have

1145
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 10: been such big contributors to the changes suggest that he

1146
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 10: already had them in mind even before that season began.

1147
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 3: A lot of times, after either losses or close wins

1148
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 3: shootout type games, whether it's Texas A and M, whether

1149
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 3: it's Ole Mess last year against Clemson, Nick Saban will

1150
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 3: talk about being relieved to sort of escape with a win,

1151
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 3: or you know, being kept up nights. Do you think

1152
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 3: this is all sort of part of his evolution? Has

1153
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 3: he always wanted to be able to feel different types

1154
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 3: of defenses? Do you think he as an a stubbornness

1155
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: streak to what kind of defenses he plays? Or is

1156
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 3: it just sort of this is what's necessary, this is

1157
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: what he's going to do.

1158
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 10: He's one of the least philosophically stubborn coaches in football.

1159
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 10: He is more inquisitive, more open to adaptation than most

1160
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 10: of his peers, and that's why he beats his peers

1161
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 10: so often. Because the coaches who say this is my system.

1162
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 10: I'm the genius who came up with this. You will

1163
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 10: do what my genius mind came up with, and that's

1164
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 10: all we're going to do. They're the ones who get

1165
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 10: passed by.

1166
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 9: Well.

1167
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 10: Nick Saban is still winning national titles in basically different

1168
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 10: eras of college football. Because you know, the clock rule

1169
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 10: change in two thousand and eight. He's won four national

1170
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 10: titles since then. But I would argue that the first

1171
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 10: three the world hadn't changed all that much. The last

1172
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 10: one was a very different football environment than the first three,

1173
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 10: and so I think that's probably the biggest thing is

1174
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 10: he's willing to chall Like Ohio State beats him, he

1175
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 10: brings in Tom Herman and says, show us how you

1176
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 10: beat us, and then he adapts to it. You know

1177
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 10: when when he brings in a new fortin Angel Kiffany says,

1178
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 10: these are some of the things I want done. I

1179
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 10: want you to up the tempo. I want jet sweeps,

1180
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 10: I want this, I want this, I want this, And

1181
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 10: you know, Lank Kippen had never been enough tempo offensive

1182
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 10: coordinator before he got to Alabama. That was Nick Saban's doing.

1183
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 3: Is there any reason to believe now that Deshaun Watson,

1184
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 3: the Clemson offensive coaching staffs, and now Clemson's offense with

1185
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 3: an added weapon they didn't have last year on Mike Williams.

1186
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 3: Is there any reason to believe playing Alabama's defense already

1187
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 3: on this stage last year gives them an advantage that

1188
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 3: Nick Saban having played Clemson's offense does. Does Clemson have

1189
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 3: any sort of advantage over Nick Saban.

1190
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 10: At this point, It's not an advantage they have over

1191
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 10: Nick Saban. It's a difference between them and most of

1192
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 10: the teams Alabama plays. Most of the teams Alabama plays

1193
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 10: lose to fear before they lose to Alabama's actual defense.

1194
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 10: And Clempton has no reason to fear Alabama's defense because

1195
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 10: they scored forty on them last year for the same

1196
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 10: reason that Ole miss this year did not fear Alabama's

1197
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 10: defense because they meet the Alabama two years in a row.

1198
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 10: So you've got to have some success against them before

1199
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 10: they stop feeding you when they get off the bus.

1200
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 10: For lack of a better term, I mean, part of

1201
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 10: the problem is teams that haven't had success against them

1202
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 10: or have never seen them before. You see them show

1203
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 10: up for warm ups and you're like Oh my lord,

1204
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 10: every one of these people is going to be in

1205
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 10: the NFL. They're so much better than us. How are

1206
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 10: we going to do this?

1207
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: You know?

1208
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 10: But Clemson has basically the same level of athlete and

1209
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 10: they had such success last year. I don't think they're

1210
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 10: going to come in afraid of Alabama at all. And

1211
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 10: that's one of the biggest advantage that Alabama has in

1212
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 10: most games.

1213
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 9: It will not have it in this game.

1214
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 3: Is there any reason to believe that Nick Saban now,

1215
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 3: especially if he wins this year, he is sort of

1216
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 3: in uncharted territory high level college pro football in terms

1217
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 3: of how often he's won. Is there any sense that

1218
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 3: there is a point in which Nick Saban will just

1219
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 3: be satisfied with his accomplishments.

1220
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 10: I think he's got a pass Bear Bryant, and if

1221
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 10: he wins this one, he'll tie him, so we would

1222
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 10: still need one more at least. And you know, it's

1223
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 10: sort of like the whole Tiger Wood situation. You assume

1224
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 10: this can go on forever and then all of a

1225
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,479
Speaker 10: sudden it just drops off. I don't see a drop

1226
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 10: off coming up for Nick Saban. He's sixty five, but

1227
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 10: he looks like he's forty. This might be his best

1228
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 10: recruiting class in class twenty seventeen that he's had at Alabama,

1229
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 10: which is saying something. So they seem to be set

1230
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 10: up to compete for national titles for at least three

1231
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 10: four more years. So I think he's got a good

1232
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 10: chance of passing Bear Bryant. But it's hard to win

1233
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 10: a national title, and probably nobody knows it more than

1234
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 10: he does because he's won so many of them, and

1235
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 10: it is not easy to get there. It takes some

1236
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 10: good fortune, it takes some breaks, and so if he

1237
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 10: wins this one, I would bet he's gonna go for at.

1238
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 3: Least one more so other guys who have had not

1239
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 3: this level of success but ongoing year over year over

1240
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,919
Speaker 3: year over year success recently. So Pete Carroll and Urban

1241
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 3: Meyer are the two big ones that come to mind

1242
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 3: in terms of winning national championships plural. They leave their

1243
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 3: jobs for you know, Urban Meyer for health and burnout reasons.

1244
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll leaves, I mean there's the looming sanctions and

1245
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 3: also the opportunity to succeed again in the NFL, and

1246
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 3: also the he did which he did, and the limitations

1247
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 3: of you can only practice so much you can. You know, well,

1248
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 3: there were certain levels that Pete Carroll didn't want to

1249
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 3: or certain things that he didn't want to deal with

1250
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 3: anymore at usc If not for just being satisfied, what

1251
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 3: is either a positive or negative thing that you could

1252
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 3: see Nick Saban just saying all right, my time in

1253
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 3: Tuscaloosa is over.

1254
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 10: The only thing I think that would would bother him

1255
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 10: enough to chase him out are the expectation that they

1256
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 10: are supposed to win every game in every national title,

1257
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 10: because realistically that's not possible, even though they've come awfully close.

1258
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 10: I think that's probably the biggest knock on that job

1259
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 10: right now. But he's got a better job than most

1260
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 10: of his peers because he can go to the president

1261
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 10: and say this is what I want and he'll get it,

1262
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 10: and not many of the coaches get that. So he's

1263
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 10: in a good spot.

1264
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 6: I don't think.

1265
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 10: I mean, he would have gone back in the NFL already.

1266
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 10: I think if he was going back, I think he's

1267
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 10: going to be a college coach. He's going to be

1268
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 10: a college coach to Alabama. I think the next move

1269
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 10: is to TV. But question is how many more titles

1270
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 10: is he going to win before you go to TV.

1271
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 3: One of the things that's obviously a big storyline going

1272
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 3: in is Steve Sarkasian taking over the offense. Is there

1273
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 3: anything that's known about the relationship between Steve Sarkasian, who

1274
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 3: advances from being an analyst, and Nick Saban? Obviously the

1275
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 3: langkiffn relationship seemed, at least from the outside, pretty contentious.

1276
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 3: Is there anything that's known sort of with sark being

1277
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 3: thrust into this position.

1278
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 10: Not really, not much is emerged in terms of behind

1279
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 10: the scenes stuff. But you know Sarkaty's troubles at USC

1280
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 10: with alcohol, but common sense tells you that he probably

1281
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 10: hasn't had many issues at Alabama because if he did,

1282
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 10: he would have been fired from his thirty five dollars

1283
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 10: a year for analyst job immediately. I mean, this was

1284
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 10: a second chance, zero tolerance kind of deal for him

1285
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 10: when he got brought in. So my guess is he's

1286
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 10: he's been able to do what he's because think about this,

1287
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 10: if there were any froms Nick Saban would know about them,

1288
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 10: and a guy who hates distractions more than anything else,

1289
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 10: if there'd been proms, those would have been distractions and

1290
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 10: a thirty five thousand dollars. Your analyst is not worth distractions,

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Speaker 10: So that would have been that. So I don't know

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Speaker 10: about in terms of interpersonal relationship, I don't. The question

1293
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Speaker 10: is how much into personal contact had they had before

1294
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 10: this week, because obviously Sark was being groomed for this.

1295
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Speaker 10: But were they talking every day? Were they talking a

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01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 10: couple times a week? Where they're talking once a week.

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Speaker 10: I mean, it's a pretty big organization that they SAVEN runs.

1298
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Speaker 10: How much realistically could he have dealings with one of

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Speaker 10: the analyts?

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 3: On that same note that is, what is it about

1302
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 3: Nick Saban's I guess, force of personality or regimen or

1303
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 3: ability to run a program? And mentioning Pete Carroll earlier,

1304
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 3: one of the things that sort of be deviled him

1305
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 3: was attrition coaches, players, whatever. It's just hard to keep

1306
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 3: things up year over year. Nick Saban loses coaches, he

1307
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 3: loses position coaches, coordinators, whatever, and yet from the outside

1308
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 3: the drop off is minimal, if any. What is it

1309
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 3: about Nick Saban specifically that makes him so good at

1310
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 3: just being consistent in hiring the right people, in figuring

1311
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 3: out the right ways to sort of mix people. What

1312
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 3: is it about the sort of the business mind of

1313
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 3: Nick Saban that so consistently works.

1314
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 10: He's willing to be more consistent, and he's more disciplined

1315
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 10: than the rest of us. There are people as disciplined

1316
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 10: as him, but there aren't many, all right, Dan, You

1317
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 10: and I when we were thinking about what we were

1318
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 10: going to eat for lunch, we imagine the entire realm spectrum. Yeah, Taco's,

1319
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 10: pita burgers, sushi, you name it. They say it needs

1320
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 10: the same salad for lunch every day because that's one

1321
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 10: less choice he has to make. He likes it, tastes good,

1322
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 10: gives him what he needs. That's all he needs. And

1323
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 10: you would call that boring. I wouldn't do that, but

1324
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 10: that makes me less consistent than he is. That makes

1325
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 10: me less disciplined than he is. He is disciplined like

1326
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 10: that in every phase of his professional life, which creates

1327
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 10: a very disciplined program. And he hires people that are

1328
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 10: going to adhere to that discipline, and if they aren't,

1329
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 10: they're not going to be around very long.

1330
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 3: Do you think winning football makes him happy or do

1331
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 3: you think working to win at football makes him happy?

1332
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 10: That's a process question right there, and it's a good one.

1333
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 10: The process tells you when football is not the thing

1334
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 10: that will make you happy doing, the things that make

1335
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 10: you whin it's football are the things that should satisfy you.

1336
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 10: And then you reach the ultimate goal because you took

1337
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 10: every step along the way. I always tell people this.

1338
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 10: Do you remember the exercise in kindergartener first grade where

1339
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 10: the teacher says, tell me how to make a peanut

1340
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 10: butter and jelly sandwich. And you say, well, you get

1341
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 10: some bread, and you get some peanut butter, and you

1342
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 10: get some jelly, and you put the peanut butter on

1343
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 10: the bread. And then the teacher goes, no, no, no,

1344
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 10: no no. You have to unscrew the jar of peanut

1345
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 10: butter first, and then you have to dip the knife

1346
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 10: in the peanut butter, and then you have to put

1347
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 10: the peanut butter on the bread. Nick Saban would get

1348
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 10: that right. He wouldn't skip a step. The rest of

1349
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 10: us would skip a step, all right.

1350
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 4: So that's Andy Staples, you know from SI dot com,

1351
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 4: longtime friend of the show. He's like one of the

1352
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 4: first people.

1353
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were. We were coworkers, colleagues with Andy Staples

1354
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 3: way back when at SI dot com when I was

1355
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 3: doing video and you were writing, shout out to Jimmy trainer,

1356
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 3: shout out to Maggie Gray, shout out to everybody you know.

1357
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,439
Speaker 4: Such a great bit there by him. Where you both

1358
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 4: of you guys? Really when you talk about is Nick

1359
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 4: Saban happy? Is he happy with this? And it's it

1360
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 4: comes up from time to time. It's a real question. Yeah,

1361
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 4: you just don't know what makes him tick. I don't

1362
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 4: think he has the same motivating factors as ninety nine

1363
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 4: percent of the other people out there, and he acknowledged

1364
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 4: as much. He's just a different kind of cat.

1365
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 3: He has a different cat. And I would like to

1366
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 3: quote the great and immortal Miley Cyrus. Yeah, it's not

1367
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 3: the results, it's the climb.

1368
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 4: It's all about the climb, absolutely all right. Well, the

1369
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 4: other coaching element in this game is Daboswinny. Yeah, an

1370
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 4: incredible story. Totally different kind of cat, yeah from Nick Saban,

1371
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 4: much more excitable, just different in so many different ways.

1372
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Speaker 4: We could do eight different podcasts talking about it. We

1373
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 4: had the good fortune of stumbling across our good friendship Patterson.

1374
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 4: Oh incredibly sports mister acc. We've had him on this

1375
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 4: program countless time to talk about all things ACC football,

1376
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 4: Who better to talk about Dabo Swiney than Ship Patterson.

1377
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 4: So we asked him a couple of things about Dabo.

1378
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 4: First and foremost, what did he learn from a year

1379
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 4: ago in that heartbreaking five point loss.

1380
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 11: I think that with each of the big non conference wins,

1381
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 11: which include two against Oklahoma, which go all the way

1382
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 11: back to that tight, tight LSU game the Ohio State

1383
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 11: in the Orange Bowl a few years back, I think

1384
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 11: that was like a forty to thirty five game, another

1385
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 11: very tight game. I think that he understands that the

1386
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 11: building has to take these cons like there's got to

1387
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 11: be some confidence to it. Like in twenty eleven, here

1388
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 11: we go. Twenty eleven, Clemson beat Virginia Tech. It was

1389
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 11: their first ACC championship in thirty years, and Dabo Sweeney

1390
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 11: told us he was like listen, man, like we're not

1391
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 11: just gonna rock it up. We are building something to last.

1392
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 11: And that was in twenty eleven. Then they got stalled

1393
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 11: by Daniel Holgerson in West Virginia. They hung seventy on him,

1394
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 11: and there was something in that experience where every single

1395
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 11: time that Clemson has come back and had another big

1396
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 11: time game against a power conference opponent, there's been a

1397
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 11: little bit of an extra confidence and a little bit

1398
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 11: of extra experience.

1399
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Speaker 4: No longer going up against Alabama.

1400
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 11: Are they a team that is continuing to build up

1401
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 11: that resume of experience.

1402
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 4: Now he's got it down to a format.

1403
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 11: He knows what it takes to coach fifteen games, how

1404
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 11: to work these guys up, how to revt down. And

1405
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 11: I might even say that that contributes to how comfortable

1406
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 11: these Clemson players were in their own skin while everybody

1407
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 11: else earlier this season was freaking out that they weren't

1408
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 11: as good as Big old Air quotes here for the podcast,

1409
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 11: but they weren't as good as last year's seen it.

1410
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 4: So when you look at this matchup again from a

1411
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 4: coaching perspective, it seems to be widely assumed that Nick

1412
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 4: Saban is the one with some kind advantage. He is

1413
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 4: the one where does Dabo have an advantage?

1414
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 11: Dabo's advantage probably lies in the unknown, in the fact

1415
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 11: that the book on him is still being written, and

1416
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 11: it's not much of an advantage, you know, Like I

1417
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 11: think Clemson's advantage in this game is the fact that

1418
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 11: they have a phenomenal defensive line and a game plan

1419
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 11: from the LSU game that they can apply, and I

1420
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 11: think Dabosweeney and his staff are smart enough to look

1421
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 11: for advantages and exploit them.

1422
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 4: But like Sheer coaching advantages.

1423
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 11: Like Dabosweeney is he has gone up against Alabama on

1424
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 11: the recruiting trail and been able to, you know, give

1425
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 11: Clemson a fight here. He has been able to go

1426
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 11: out and make Clemson a recognized brand. He has been

1427
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 11: able to be the salesman that Clemson needed him to be.

1428
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 11: But he doesn't have a coaching advantage against Nick Saban.

1429
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 4: But there is some value, as he said, to being

1430
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 4: the crazy guy in the fight, no doubt, being the

1431
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 4: Carrie Sheffield out to not have a book on you

1432
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 4: is something that you can use.

1433
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 11: I think that uh, you know what he learned from

1434
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 11: last year. He's gonna be looking for that onside kick.

1435
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 11: They're not going to leave that thing wide open again,

1436
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 11: because that's like we're reviewing the tape. Alabama had it

1437
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 11: three times, two times before they finally hit it on

1438
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 11: the third. I guarantee you Clemson will not have that

1439
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 11: spot of the field open again on.

1440
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 4: Kickoffs, all right again. His name Chip Patterson cbssports dot com.

1441
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 4: The layers just keep coming to like that all the

1442
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 4: time here, stacking them on top of each other. We

1443
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 4: are nearing the final stretch where yes, we add up

1444
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 4: all the data here. Yeah, I mean if you crack

1445
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 4: out the slide rule and make our selections.

1446
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 3: I feel like we've almost jammed backed. Too much information

1447
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 3: and too much relevant football. Nugget try Okay that nugget Tree, Yeah,

1448
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 3: nugget Tree. I think it's time to take a half

1449
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 3: step back and sort of really honor what this show

1450
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 3: is all about in the first place, and that is

1451
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 3: total mindlessness, mindlessness, fried food, and Florida recommendation. So the

1452
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,600
Speaker 3: Tampa in tangible factor, the Tampa is very important that

1453
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 3: people here.

1454
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 4: An audio or what is the audio an I actually

1455
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 4: know this. They're not talking about the Tampa and Tangibles.

1456
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 3: No, they're not, absolutely not. They're talking too much football.

1457
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 3: So we have Ryan Anny of Estipination to to sort

1458
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 3: of pull back the camera a little bit and talk

1459
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 3: about the game as a TV show, just what he

1460
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 3: wants to see it from a peer entertainment spectacle. And

1461
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 3: then his I mean, Tampa's first son, what to do

1462
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 3: if you're coming into town, what to do for this game?

1463
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 12: So I think I'm looking forward to the game going

1464
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 12: long because the it always goes long, and people are

1465
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 12: going to be unhappy about it. I guess you're gonna

1466
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 12: be like.

1467
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 4: Oh, why don't we always do this on a Monday?

1468
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 12: Gotta take the kids to school, Jesus, stupid Clinton. Now,

1469
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 12: long games are usually good games, but there's always some

1470
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 12: people and I'm not I'm not necessarily criticizing them for that,

1471
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 12: but they're just like, Oh, you gotta be kidding, you

1472
01:12:58,680 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 12: gotta be what.

1473
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 4: No, run the ball, Just take a knee.

1474
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 12: I don't care that it's tied on.

1475
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 3: The Alabama side. What would make you laugh the most

1476
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 3: if you were to see blank happen from Alabama either

1477
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 3: with the ball defensively outcome of this game sark related.

1478
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 12: I think the funniest thing that could happen on Alabama

1479
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 12: side of the ball is if they unveiled this just

1480
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 12: deadly passing attack. If you're like, wow, Jalen hurts through

1481
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,640
Speaker 12: four three hundred and eighty yards, completed eighty percent of

1482
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,600
Speaker 12: his passes. Clearly, Lane Kiffen had no idea what he

1483
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 12: was doing with this kid.

1484
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 3: On Clemson side, anything specifically from Dabo, from Deshaun Watson

1485
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 3: from ben Ben Bowlwaer, we're on the record right now,

1486
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 3: right four fingers deep is an actual life talk.

1487
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 12: So we talked about this on Shutdown Full Cast. Yeah,

1488
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 12: four fingers is not a measure of depth. It's a

1489
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 12: measure of width. You know, all your fingers are mostly

1490
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 12: the same length. So what you're gonna want to watch

1491
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 12: for entertainment value from Clemson is Rabbo is obviously prone

1492
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 12: to weird postgame or halftime interviews when he's agitated in

1493
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 12: some way. And I really I think winning the national

1494
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 12: championship would take Dabo to an emotional place that I

1495
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 12: don't think any of us can contemplate. I think he

1496
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,560
Speaker 12: would cry, but I think more importantly, he will just

1497
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 12: start speaking in gibberish and then like a week later,

1498
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 12: we'll realize that if you play it backwards, it actually

1499
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 12: made perfect sense in English, but only if you play

1500
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Speaker 12: it backwards.

1501
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 3: What should people know about Tampa, Florida? What should they

1502
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 3: do in Tampa? And what defines the city of Tampa.

1503
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 12: Here are the important facts you need to know. Yes,

1504
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 12: Tampa has a bunch of strip clubs. B These strip

1505
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 12: clubs are not like kept off in some Oh. This

1506
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,440
Speaker 12: is the CD part of No, they're on an industrial

1507
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 12: they're on a main thoroughfare. When Tampa got its first

1508
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 12: Whole Foods, it's walking distance to these strip clubs. Third,

1509
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 12: the man who started the most prominent strip clubs is

1510
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 12: a man named Joe Redner. Okay, he has run for

1511
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 12: mayor city council. He's run for a bunch of things

1512
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 12: in Tampa. Never one has never won. But I believe

1513
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 12: his son is co owner of a micro brewery in

1514
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 12: Tampa called Cigar City, which makes really excellent beer.

1515
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 3: Okay, so you can drink.

1516
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 12: You can go there and say you've drink strip club

1517
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,600
Speaker 12: air beer, strip club air HgI R.

1518
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 4: Not ai R.

1519
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 12: That's an important anymore. But the airport's great.

1520
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 3: Airport's fantastic. Have they recently redone it their FI?

1521
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 12: No, it's always it's I mean, they have done improvements

1522
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,560
Speaker 12: to it over the last five years or so, but

1523
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 12: it's always been a really solid airport. And of course

1524
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:49,560
Speaker 12: Tampa is home to Outback Steakhouse, the Australian themed restaurant

1525
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 12: founded by people who had never been to Australia.

1526
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 3: After seeing Crocodile Dundee.

1527
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 4: Apparently, I think that's what it was.

1528
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,600
Speaker 12: I think they thought that they could capitalize on the.

1529
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 4: Ossi field at the time.

1530
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, fair enough. And by the way, I don't

1531
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 3: know if this is if this is something you want

1532
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 3: to publish, is okay, let me use the stage as

1533
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 3: we conclude and move on with the show to say,

1534
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,759
Speaker 3: anybody from the Outback Bowl or anybody who just feels

1535
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 3: like tweeting at the Outback Bowl, we are desperate to

1536
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 3: make Ryan Bloomy the bloomin Onion for the twenty seventeen

1537
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 3: out Back Bowl and whatever responsibilities that that may entail.

1538
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 12: I think the hashtag we're still talking about it. The

1539
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 12: one I like best so far is fran Nanny. Fryan

1540
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 12: Nanny's good.

1541
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 3: That's kind of a winner to make.

1542
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 12: Have you ever eaten a blumin onion?

1543
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 2: I have?

1544
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 3: You know what I used to this is this is

1545
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 3: the most disgusting thing. I guarante this is the most

1546
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,639
Speaker 3: disgusting thing you'll hear about food today.

1547
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:43,839
Speaker 1: In college.

1548
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 3: This was in Eugene, Organ maybe.

1549
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 12: Springfield or like a first year move first or second.

1550
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 3: You would think, but it was all throughout. Okay, I

1551
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 3: don't remember like the terminology that we called it, but

1552
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,560
Speaker 3: in Springfield, Organ, which is sort of like Eugene but

1553
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 3: for shady people. Next to do Or we would go

1554
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 3: to outback steakhouse and Jack in the Box and I

1555
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 3: would get like six like disgusting grease envelopes that they

1556
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 3: call tacos, a jack in the box and split a

1557
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 3: bloomin onion and just annihilate my insights. Wow, this is

1558
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 3: totally unrelated. Though I was a larger person in college.

1559
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 3: I wow, Yeah, it's real bad. I do like the

1560
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 3: bloomin onion, though I haven't had in a long time.

1561
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 10: Wow.

1562
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 3: One was the last time you had a bloomin onion?

1563
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 1: It's been a long Yeah.

1564
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 12: It's not something. Once you hit a certain age, you're like, man,

1565
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 12: I can't Well, you.

1566
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 3: Also can't do anything after what you have a bloomin onion?

1567
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 3: Play a couple. No, you're done.

1568
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 12: That one's accepted. If it will you know what if

1569
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 12: I have to eat a bloomin onion and play play

1570
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 12: two set pro SATs, right, play two pro sets and

1571
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 12: that'll get me bloomy, I'll do it.

1572
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you will, all right?

1573
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 4: Ryan Anny first Son, Yeah, of the Tampa Saint Pete

1574
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 4: metro area.

1575
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 3: This is true.

1576
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 2: Uh.

1577
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 3: He supposedly has a uh a picture or a name

1578
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 3: on a debate trophy at his high school. So if

1579
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 3: you can piece together where he went to high school,

1580
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 3: go check it out.

1581
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 4: All right, that does it for the layers. It does

1582
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 4: so many layers here. Do you have enough information now

1583
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 4: at hand to make.

1584
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 3: Because I need to hear from you the most need

1585
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 3: to hear from me.

1586
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 4: You're gonna let me influence your.

1587
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 3: Pick, Absolutely, I am, because you have figured out, you've

1588
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 3: tapped into a winning formula this year of deep dive research,

1589
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 3: figure out how everything sort of dances with your gut

1590
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 3: and then you just go the other way. Yeah, and

1591
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 3: that's been a pretty successful formula for you this.

1592
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 4: Year through bull season. I didn't quite adhere to that

1593
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:37,719
Speaker 4: the same way I did during the regular season.

1594
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 3: Bull season is a different animal. But this is a

1595
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 3: game with huge stakes, not unlike regular season games that

1596
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 3: week to week there are stakes, and this is a

1597
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 3: game that much in the way you've done with the

1598
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 3: bigger games in the regular season, You've researched, you've thought

1599
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 3: about you, You've weighed different factors in your head that

1600
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,679
Speaker 3: are important to you. I've done the same, and yes,

1601
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 3: am I the surest thing in college football picking.

1602
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 4: Of course, one hundred percent of the time, right or wrong.

1603
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, right or wrong one hundred percent of the time.

1604
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 3: That's mathematics people. But no, that's that's what I'm waiting for.

1605
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for your thoughts, right.

1606
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 4: So, well, I have a couple. I have a couple

1607
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:12,560
Speaker 4: of things that I'm chewing on.

1608
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1609
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 4: The first is, I'm not sure I know what this

1610
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 4: offensive game plan looks like for Steve Sarkisian Now, yep,

1611
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 4: with Alabama. You heard Ryan allude to it a little

1612
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 4: bit in his bit, But he thinks sark is more

1613
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 4: devoted to what works and less devoted to his own ego,

1614
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 4: doesn't care so much about looking like the smartest guy

1615
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 4: in the room, just wants to trot plays out there

1616
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 4: that he knows are going to work. I think in

1617
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:41,560
Speaker 4: the case of Alabama, we know what would work. We

1618
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 4: know what works best for them. Anyway, what has throughout

1619
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 4: the course of the season. That is the running game. Yep,

1620
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 4: they want to run the football. I fear a little bit,

1621
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:51,640
Speaker 4: because it's his first game as offensive coordinator, that it

1622
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 4: might be super conservative, that if there's a spot where

1623
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 4: he needs to stretch the field vertically, maybe he will

1624
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,560
Speaker 4: be a little bit apprehensive about doing that. I don't know,

1625
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 4: just something I've been chewing on all week. The other

1626
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 4: thing that conservatism, in this early conservative conservatism, excuse me,

1627
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 4: probably favors Clemson because Clemson I don't think is going

1628
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 4: to have any conservatism at all. That's just not their style, right.

1629
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 4: The other thing that's bouncing around for me is Deshaun Watson.

1630
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 4: And you could cut this thing one hundred different ways

1631
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 4: if you want to. But what we saw towards the

1632
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 4: end of last season, what we've seen a little bit

1633
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 4: though not to the same extent, but a little bit

1634
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 4: again this season is that in the biggest spots to Sean,

1635
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 4: Watson gets the ball more. Sometimes he throws more, more often,

1636
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 4: he runs more. But pretty much one hundred percent of

1637
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 4: the time, they're leaning on him heavily to try and

1638
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 4: win this game. Last year, look at what he did

1639
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 4: in the championship game. He ran it at least twenty

1640
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 4: times in each of his final four games win the championship.

1641
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 4: In particular, four hundred and seventy eight total yards, four touchdowns,

1642
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 4: four or five passing. That's the most in National Championship history.

1643
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 4: So I think what I'm getting at here is how

1644
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 4: far can he take them as one singular man against

1645
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 4: this incredible defense? How far can one guy take BA

1646
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 4: or can one guy take Clemson. I have a hard

1647
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 4: time believing he can take them all the way to

1648
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 4: the Promised Land alone alone. He needs help, and he's

1649
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 4: got the big receivers, and I think maybe they can

1650
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 4: channel some you know, modest running game here and there

1651
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 4: in spots, in situations, but as a whole, I don't

1652
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 4: think there's enough balance. So for as much as I

1653
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 4: want to see Clemson win, and for as much as

1654
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 4: I'd like to see something different, I'm going to go

1655
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 4: Alabama to win this game. I'm going to say something

1656
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 4: in the ballpark a twenty seven to twenty three, twenty

1657
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 4: seven to twenty four very similar but lower scoring, similar

1658
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 4: but lower scoring? Is Bill Connolly mentioned earlier? I think

1659
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 4: Alabama wins another national championship, But but I would not

1660
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 4: be surprised if Clemson pulled up. You Hedger, Well, I

1661
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 4: wouldn't be surprised. I think Clemson covers, but Alabama wins.

1662
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 3: Okay, My question to you as a follow up is

1663
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 3: what is it about Jalen Hurts specifically? And it may

1664
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 3: may be a matter of the fact that the combination

1665
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:05,759
Speaker 3: of Alabama's defense, I believe leading the nation in touchdowns defense,

1666
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 3: in touchdowns scoring defenses, going against a Clemson offense that

1667
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 3: has been a little bit too careless this year, has

1668
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 3: turned the ball over more than we expected. That's not

1669
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 3: a great hat to hat combination. What is it about

1670
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 3: if there isn't Alabama defensive touchdowns? About Jalen Hurts that

1671
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 3: you feel like against this Clemson defense, coming off of

1672
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 3: a shoutout, coming off of some very impressive defensive performances,

1673
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 3: it makes you feel like he can lead to twenty

1674
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 3: seven points against a very good defense.

1675
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 4: I feel like he's got.

1676
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 3: After struggling with Washington too. I should mention through the.

1677
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 4: Air after struggling, and he did.

1678
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1679
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 4: I mean that's another factor that we could certainly consider.

1680
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 4: I have more confidence in the pieces that he has

1681
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 4: alongside him in the rushing game. I think, then I

1682
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 4: do the pieces alongside the Shaw Watson. So as we've seen,

1683
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 4: the formula at Alabama is you don't always need to

1684
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 4: have a premier quarterback to win, right. You need to

1685
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 4: have good pieces around that quarterback, but you don't need

1686
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 4: to have a guy who does a whole lot. You

1687
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 4: just need to find somebody doesn't turn the ball over.

1688
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 4: Kurtz gives them an extra dimension with his legs. I

1689
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,560
Speaker 4: think that combined with the fact that he's got some

1690
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,759
Speaker 4: really good pieces in the running game, too, reliable pieces

1691
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 4: Damien Harris Boscarborough. We saw what he did. I feel

1692
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 4: really good about some combination of those guys against anybody,

1693
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 4: let alone Clemson.

1694
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 3: If Clemson is forcing third and sevens consistently, how much

1695
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 3: more worried are you about your Alabama pick consistently? Yeah,

1696
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 3: if they're consistently like, okay, it's third and seven, like

1697
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 3: if they're forcing passing downs over and over and over again.

1698
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 3: And one of the differences, Jake Koker threw the ball

1699
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,640
Speaker 3: down field really well last year in big games. That

1700
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 3: Michigan State game, he had a huge Sorry, he had

1701
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 3: multiple huge bombs, notably to Calvin Ridley. But Ardarius Stewart

1702
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 3: is still there. If Clemson, I'm not going to say

1703
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 3: if they make them one dimensional, but if Clemson is

1704
01:23:56,120 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 3: able to force some single dimensional activity from Alabama, is

1705
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 3: it does it become a toss up sort of situation too.

1706
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 4: Let's put it this way. Alabama averaged five point seven

1707
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 4: yards per carry this year, Yes, all right, if they

1708
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 4: are continually finding themselves in third and long situations, yeah,

1709
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:15,839
Speaker 4: that's bad. Yeah, that's not a good situation.

1710
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:18,639
Speaker 3: So put up five yards per carry, not against exter

1711
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,520
Speaker 3: Lawrence and Christian Wilkins.

1712
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 4: That is correct. Yes, However, for the entirety of their season,

1713
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 4: being that consistent in the rushing game has absolutely made

1714
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 4: them what they are.

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01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 4: So if in fact, Clemson could find a way to

1717
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 4: put a cap on that, maybe make it four yards carry,

1718
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, get some tackles for loss.

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01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 4: If they're doing that reliably consistently, that changes this game

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01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 4: all of a sudden. Then I think that tips things

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01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 4: in favor perhaps of Deshaun Watson. What can he do

1722
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,600
Speaker 4: with the pieces around him? How much can he run for?

1723
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 4: If we see that situation develop time and time again,

1724
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 4: then yeah, yeah, that's the situation I think that Alabama's

1725
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 4: afraid of.

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01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 3: I'm going to fairelessly pick Clemson. I'm gonna tell you why.

1727
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 3: I am not going to hedge. Of course, none of

1728
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 3: us would be surprised if Alabama wins this game. But

1729
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 3: I am saying Clemson wins this game period, without a

1730
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if Clemson and I think it's

1731
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 3: a pretty equal game. Clemson has the sort of advantage

1732
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 3: of their coming off of a year in which they

1733
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 3: know they cannot just hang with Alabama, but they can

1734
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 3: beat Alabama. They're not losing this game, like Andy Staples

1735
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 3: said before they even play, which is the case with

1736
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,759
Speaker 3: a lot of Alabama opponents. You have a true freshman quarterback.

1737
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,680
Speaker 3: We've seen first year quarterbacks succeed in the National Championship Game.

1738
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 3: Nick Marshall had a pretty nice game against Florida State,

1739
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 3: Cam Newton won, Jameis Winston. These were red shid freshmen.

1740
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts true freshman, although he's been there since January

1741
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 3: and played Deshaun Watson as a scout teamer this past

1742
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 3: January year ago. But I think because things seem to

1743
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 3: me to be so equal, I think Alabama's big advantages.

1744
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 3: I think they have a much better secondary than Clemson's secondary.

1745
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 3: I think without Mackenzie Alexander, they don't have that true

1746
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 3: lockdown guy. But I also don't think Jalen Hurts is

1747
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 3: a quarterback that can expose really good secondaries. It's not elite,

1748
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 3: whatever that word has come to me in twenty seventeen.

1749
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 3: But if you are going to give me a relatively

1750
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 3: neutral field, I expect it to be about fifty to

1751
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 3: fifty because I mean, we're not far from Clemson, We're

1752
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 3: not far from Alabama. It's going to it's it's not

1753
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:14,600
Speaker 3: going to be a decided crowd. You're gonna give me.

1754
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 3: And Alabama does have a running back and a running

1755
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:20,719
Speaker 3: game advantage, and that's big. But I think Deshaun Watson

1756
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 3: is a true star and is a true game changer

1757
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 3: in a way that Alabama. I don't think that they have.

1758
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 3: I just they have it on defense. I don't think

1759
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 3: offensively they have somebody who can take over a game.

1760
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 4: So the counter question, yeah, counterpoint, what have you? Let's

1761
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 4: say hypothetically that the true teeth of this Alabama defense,

1762
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 4: it's a linebacking corps, is able to confuse Sure, Deshaun Watson.

1763
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:49,639
Speaker 4: We've seen it countless times this year. Deshaun Watson doesn't

1764
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 4: see a linebacker, doesn't see somebody lurking in a short

1765
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 4: zone coverage, something like that and frozen interception. Let's say

1766
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 4: through half of this game, Deshaun Watson's having a hard time.

1767
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 4: I'm dissecting that portion of the Alabama defense. The passing

1768
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 4: game isn't coming as naturally sure a rhythm three hundred

1769
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 4: and twenty eight yards per game, seventh nationally in terms

1770
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:12,759
Speaker 4: of passing offense. Let's say it's.

1771
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 3: Nowhere near that reasonable to guess, Yeah, he Clemson still

1772
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 3: win the game. Yes, because I don't think he's going

1773
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 3: to go into a shell. We're talking about somebody who

1774
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 3: is I think we're pretty sure as a first round

1775
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 3: NFL quarterback, and not in a Jared goffway, in a

1776
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 3: we've seen him beat really good teams really recently kind

1777
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 3: of way. I think we're positive of his talent. We've

1778
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 3: seen him have. I think it's pretty clearly the best

1779
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 3: and biggest game of his career on the best and

1780
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 3: biggest stage. So I don't think if he throws a

1781
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 3: pick early he is going to become tentative. He throws

1782
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 3: a ball downfield, he throwed like even the interception, it

1783
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 3: took an out of this world Malik Hooker play to

1784
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 3: pick him off in the end zone. That's what it

1785
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,679
Speaker 3: takes at times when he is when he is operating,

1786
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 3: I think they're going to be creative. You know, we

1787
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 3: talked to Chris Brown about the sort of wrinkles that

1788
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 3: they've added to the run game that what is it

1789
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:05,639
Speaker 3: that the toss read? So I think Clemson is constantly evolving.

1790
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a great cat mouse game.

1791
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 3: I love the Alabama defense, but on a stage like this,

1792
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 3: what did they What did Alabama need last year? They

1793
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 3: needed a herculean effort from Oj Howard after Clemson was

1794
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 3: beat up. That, I mean, that's a reality. Clemson defense

1795
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 3: doesn't rush the past or maybe as well as they

1796
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 3: did last year. But to me, it's hard for me

1797
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 3: to find to pick. Like, Okay, Alabama is going to

1798
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 3: get a crazy game from Calvin Ridley or Darius Stewart

1799
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 3: bo Scarboro maybe, but I'm more sure of Deshaun Watson

1800
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 3: than any one of those players breaking out. So I'm

1801
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:43,719
Speaker 3: going with Clemson. I have it twenty eight twenty seven

1802
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 3: in my head. Twenty eight twenty seven, nail bier. And

1803
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 3: you ready, if we're gonna get very specific Alabama wide

1804
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 3: rights in the closing seconds, how about.

1805
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,559
Speaker 4: That wide right closing seconds?

1806
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:57,799
Speaker 3: Because okay, so what would be I wouldn't be unforeseen,

1807
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,639
Speaker 3: would not be unforeseend what would be the most prizing

1808
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 3: outcome Clemson big ten to seven.

1809
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 4: What Clemson big would be would be surprising.

1810
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be nobody comfortably beats Alabama.

1811
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 4: No, No, I mean it's it's always by the hair

1812
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 4: on your chin, right, it's not.

1813
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 3: You could argue Ohio State sort of did a couple

1814
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:14,599
Speaker 3: of years ago.

1815
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 4: Zeke, Yeah, that was that would be. That would be

1816
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 4: a surprise, I think, in the same way, probably a

1817
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,600
Speaker 4: much bigger way than what we saw in the semifinal

1818
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 4: with cumps and shutting out Ohio State because that was

1819
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 4: a bit unexpected.

1820
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 3: To I think to me, a bigger surprise would be

1821
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 3: Clemson winning this game with Deshaun Watson not having a

1822
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 3: great game.

1823
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 4: It's like Wayne Goleman rips off like free hundred.

1824
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:35,800
Speaker 3: Yards, Wayne Goleman going for two oh eight and the

1825
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 3: defense scoring two touchdowns, slipping the field. Something like that,

1826
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:42,639
Speaker 3: Like Clemson winning sixteen to thirteen with a pedestrian offensive

1827
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 3: effort would be kind of a shocker to make.

1828
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,559
Speaker 4: All Right, So you're all in on Clemson twenty yearly

1829
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 4: seven time, fearlessly. Okay, I'm gonna go Alabama. I'm going

1830
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 4: to be the boring old man.

1831
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 3: That's okay.

1832
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 4: Twenty seven, twenty four is my finally very.

1833
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 3: Exciting when people pick Alabama and Alabama wins, that's always the.

1834
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 4: Best we do have. Yeah, thank you. We do have

1835
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 4: a consensus though we're both like Clemson plus.

1836
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, we're gonna gobble those points up.

1837
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 4: All right, Well, we do thank everybody who chimed in,

1838
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 4: from Bill Connolly to Bud Elliott, Chris Brown, Richard Johnson

1839
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:14,640
Speaker 4: still seated at the table here.

1840
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1841
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 4: We've also had Ryan Abraham on this show, Andy Staples,

1842
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 4: Chip Patterson, and of course our good friend the first

1843
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 4: Sun Now of Tampa, Ryan is. Oh yes, all right, there,

1844
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 4: we go, enjoy the game. We'll be here all weekend.

1845
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1846
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Speaker 4: On that note. For the fine gentlemen seated directly across

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1859
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 4: thanks again for joining us. Enjoy the football game. We'll

1860
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:14,719
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