1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Because last year's draft was to ref their players. They 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: nailed it all through. Our guys played a ton and 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: now you're confident. Okay, well, maybe the process works. Our 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: process works, the way we go about doing things works. 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Let's make sure we nailed the right kind of guys. 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 2: We have survived the shrimp cocktail, Jason Gibbs says, walked 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: how many miles around the Circle City. 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 3: My fitbit was asking if it was stolen. Let's talk 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 3: about that. 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: With that in mind, Welcome to another edition the best 11 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 2: podcast available. Present it to you by Bullseye Event Group. 12 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: That is Jason Gibbs. I'm Andrew Siciliano for award winning 13 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: game day Experiences. As he looks down to his phone 14 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: to get the copyright, visit Bullseye Eventgroup dot com. Welcome 15 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: back to our second pod here at the NFL Scouting Combine. 16 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: We are in Indianapolis. It is truly a tradition unlike 17 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: any other. It is warmed up. It is like forty 18 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: degrees outside, and the people are happy walking around in 19 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: T shirts, like like it's the middle of the summer. 20 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: Speaking of T shirts. As we record this on Thursday, 21 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: this is the night the drills actually get under way. 22 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 2: Some people call it the underwear Olympics. I don't like 23 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: that name. I think it's guys in the ultimate job 24 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: interview going out there trying to impress and trying to 25 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: earn some money, trying to go get the bag as 26 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: they run around in dry fit. Tonight, we're going to 27 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: see the defensive lineman and we're going to see the linebackers. 28 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: We could worry about that coming up later with Bucky 29 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: Brooks and if a network draft analyst who will be 30 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: standing in this very spot where I currently stand. In 31 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: the meantime, let's talk about our head coach, gibe, because 32 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: Todd Munkin did the rounds yesterday. He is funny, he 33 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: is glib, He's got jokes. He likes to use his 34 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 2: wife as a comedic foil. He likes to tell stories. 35 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: He's hysterical. I love the guy truly. Already they're not 36 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: yet on the grass. We haven't gotten to free agency, 37 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: we have not gotten to the draft. Heck, we don't 38 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: even have players on the field here at the combine. 39 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: I think Todd Munkan made a pretty good impression yesterday 40 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: and made a headline it's going to be an open 41 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: quarterback competition, because of course it is. I mean, it's 42 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: your job to go out there and compete and win 43 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: a job. No one's job is assured, maybe other than 44 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: that Hall of Fame guy. It plays defensive end. 45 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 3: He said it best yesterday at one point in one 46 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 3: of the many interviews that he did. Players are in 47 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 3: their playing time. So I mean that's whether it's the 48 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 3: quarterback competition, whether it's a competition at wide receiver or 49 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 3: defensive tackle or outside of number ninety five and number 50 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: twenty one on the defensive side of the football, and 51 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 3: you know, maybe everything's up for grabs. 52 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: So the way he said it was, and it's kind 53 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: of an all coaching cliche, I don't decide who plays. 54 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: Players decide, that's right, who played. 55 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. I'm fine, like, let's see what 56 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: everybody can do. And I think he's excited to really 57 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: get these guys in the building and he'll have an 58 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 3: early crack at it because he's a first time head coach, 59 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 3: our first year head coach, so everybody'll be back in 60 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: the building. Uh just I want to say day after 61 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: Easter because Easter is early this year. On that Monday, 62 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 3: players will be back. So I think he can't wait 63 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 3: to get to get his hands on him. You said it, 64 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: there's a lot to happen here. You know, we haven't 65 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 3: even gotten to the field part. But Todd Monkin checks 66 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: all the boxes. He's fun, there's no being definitely fun. 67 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 3: Maybe there's some vulgarity. 68 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 2: There might be a little vulgaric. 69 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 4: Yep. 70 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 3: I've had to edit more than I don't think I've 71 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: ever had to with any previous coaches the way I 72 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: have to edit now. But he's fantastic. He's a good guy. 73 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: He's just you can tell he is excited to be 74 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: in the moment. He said it yesterday when he's up 75 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 3: at the podium. Rabel was on one side and. 76 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: He walked up there and said, wow, this is cool. 77 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 4: Look at that. 78 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: I got Mike McDonald over here and Rabel over here. Yeah, 79 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: and he's in the middle. And then somebody said you're late, 80 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: and he goes, I'm like, well, blame Nathan Seger. 81 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: That's false. We won't get into the blame game here 82 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 3: ont of Thursday. You could blame him and I would 83 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: be the biggest fan of that. I mean, it's generally 84 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: my easy go to. I mean, this morning, I would 85 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: tell you. Yep, yeah, it's it's very easy to do. 86 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: He he reached out. We we were taping with with 87 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 3: with a guest at ten fifteen and at ten o 88 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: two he was still in his room and he was like, 89 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 3: do I have time? Do I have time to go 90 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: put my bag in the car? I said no, no, 91 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: it's frowned upon in the establishment. So this is now 92 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 3: I get to throw him under the bus, but I 93 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: will not blame him for yesterday. 94 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: Oh gibbee herds, cats, that's all I do myself included No, 95 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 2: you're no, you know where you need to be, cat. 96 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: But I also texted you at eight am this morning 97 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: saying could you please remind me? 98 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, you need no No. 99 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 3: And the schedule has changed a couple times this week, 100 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 3: so everybody's been flexible. It's been an awesome week gathering 101 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 3: information and getting a lot of different perspectives on things. 102 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: And you're going to get another one here with Bucky 103 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 3: Brooks coming up in just. 104 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 2: A little bit. Absolutely, we want to get back to 105 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 2: the quarterback thing, because if you turn on your morning 106 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: television shows today, no network's name just I mean, they 107 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: all do the same thing. Some may going to break 108 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: tease what Monkin said about the quarterback competition as some 109 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 2: kind of startling revelation. It isn't. It's not. It isn't. 110 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 2: And you can be the biggest fan of any of 111 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 2: the quarterbacks currently on the roster, any of them will 112 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: tell you, and all of them have that you have 113 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: to go out there and win the job. The Bronz 114 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 2: went five games last year. There were moments where, at 115 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: least for two of the three, obviously Deshaun was rehabbing 116 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: his achilles injury, where you're like, okay, yeah, there it is. 117 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 2: And there were times where the other two, Shador and 118 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel look like rookie quarterbacks because they were breaking 119 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: news rookie quarterbacks. So with a new coaching staff, it's 120 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: like with any job. There's a new boss, right time 121 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: for the new boss to make decisions, and you can't 122 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 2: go on the decisions made the previous administration. Put them 123 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: on the grass and see how it goes. Now. Gibby mentioned, 124 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: you know, right after Easter when players can get in 125 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 2: the building and Todd monkn can get there the way 126 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: the NFL does. It is the teams that have new 127 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: head coaches, and there are ten of them this year, 128 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: nearly a third of the league. They can start their 129 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 2: off season program a week before the coaches that are 130 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: returning and have some tenure, but that doesn't mean they're 131 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: actually out there in helmets practicing football. Matter of fact, specifically, 132 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: they're for forbidden from doing that. There are a rule 133 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 2: gradual easing in. It's just working out in meetings and 134 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: things like that. That's it. So, I mean, it's not 135 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: going to be quote unquote heavy lifting other than actually 136 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: doing some heavy lifting. That's going to be it. But 137 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: that is not until April, and that is multiple weeks 138 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: after the start of the new league year. Other things 139 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: that Todd Munkin said yesterday, we talked about Mike Rudeberg, 140 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: the new defensive coordinator who has not had a media 141 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: availability yet, but speaking to other coaches on the Brown 142 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 2: staff that are here, they're all excited, definitely to have 143 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: him in the building. And Monken yesterday spoke of his 144 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: energy almost like bounce off the wall kind of energy 145 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 2: that we have. 146 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: Like Jason Tarbor. Yes, I think that's why the two 147 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: of them have hit it off so well, and I 148 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: think that his personality is infectious with those coaches in 149 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 3: the defensive room who you know, I don't know, like 150 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,119 Speaker 3: when when your boss ends up not coming back. I think, 151 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 3: you know, while everybody is back, there's always a hesitancy. 152 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: Maybe sure in any job, not just with the Browns, 153 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 3: but in any field, you're kind of like, Okay, how's 154 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 3: my new boss? Am I going to click with him? 155 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 3: Am I not going to click with him? I think 156 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 3: it's almost been a seamless transition. 157 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. As for Joel Buttonio, Monkin was asked 158 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: when again he was another podium meeting the masses here, Uh, 159 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: do you know anything? He said no, but he did 160 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: say that Joel was in his office last week or 161 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: two weeks ago, and that he said, I did my 162 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: best to try to convince him to come back, but 163 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: understandably he needed a little more time. That deadline is coming, 164 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: and it will likely a decision will likely come before 165 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: the start of the new league year on the eleventh 166 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: of March. Checking some other boxes, there is the jold news, 167 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: there is that news. Monkin spoke a lot about his 168 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: ability to prepare for this draft, but at least he 169 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: has some institutional knowledge from coaching Georgia, from coaching in 170 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: the SEC. For this group of draftees and hopefully you 171 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: know that helps a little bit. 172 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 3: Every coach is different with how they viewed the combine. 173 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 3: A lot of coaches don't come to the combine. We've 174 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 3: started to see that trend. 175 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 2: Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, others have. 176 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: Correct I think, yeah, I would tell you that it's 177 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 3: the exact opposite with Todd Munkin and his staff. The 178 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 3: whole staff's here and they're here for the entire duration 179 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: of the combine. Whether that's a little team building and 180 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: team bonding as well, but I think it's also like 181 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: this coaching staff is invested in watching these players getting 182 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 3: an idea of him as the front office is. 183 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,479 Speaker 2: Monkin was asked how many rookie offensive linemen as starters 184 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: potentially next year would he be comfortable with, and he said, 185 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: I don't care as long as they're all good and 186 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: ready to play. So if it's one, it's one, it's two, 187 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: it's two. Does man start stretching if we're gonna get 188 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: g Man could do it as well, Gibbe. I mean 189 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: I could see you backpedaling. I could see your kickstep 190 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 2: right now as Gabe does one off camera here. Ideally 191 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 2: you wouldn't like to have three, But the Browns are 192 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 2: going to have to find new and creative ways, maybe 193 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: not new, but creative ways to fill out that offensive line. 194 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: Last year, Monkin had a rookie right tackle in Roger Rosengarten, 195 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: who has taken from Washington, and he played I did 196 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: take back those two years ago. You could play rookies. 197 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: He's used to playing rookies. Ideally, do you play three? 198 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 2: Who knows? It depends how good those rookies are. 199 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, there's gonna be significant change on the Browns 200 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 3: offensive line now. If Joe Botonio comes back, great, great. 201 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 3: Luke Whippler's healthy, great. You know the one name this week. 202 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 3: We talked about it earlier in the week on the 203 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 3: podcast Ethan Posk. Maybe there's a chance he's coming back 204 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 3: and that gives you a little depth at the center position. 205 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 2: Well, I also am. It's one out of five. But 206 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: you keep turning on the TV and you keep clicking 207 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 2: on stories in your social media feed that say, oh 208 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,719 Speaker 2: my god, the Browns have all five starters heading to 209 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: free agency. That's not accurate. No, Dwan Jones is back 210 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 2: and under contract, and Dwan Jones has been a starter 211 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 2: for parts of three seasons. Obviously, the story is that 212 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 2: Dewan has had trouble staying healthy. I don't like to 213 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 2: even frame it that way. He's had some injuries, right, 214 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: He's had some freak injuries. The guy broke his leg 215 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: in New Orleans. That's not treble staying yeathy, And obviously 216 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: he was I say, the victim of a play against 217 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: Green Bay Week two that should have been flagged. Let's 218 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: phrase it that way. That's not Dewan's fault. If Dwan 219 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 2: is back and healthy, well then you don't have all 220 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: five starters back. The question then is do you put 221 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: Dwan back at left tackle, which was the experiment last 222 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: year before he got her or do you put him 223 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 2: at right tackle, which is actually where he was playing 224 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: when he got flipped back to his more natural side 225 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: when the injury occurred. But if you have him there 226 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: and you have him healthy, fingers crossed, it's not all five. 227 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 2: And if you have Whippler Whippler started in December, you 228 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: got two. 229 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's and that's right where you need to be. 230 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: Now you go attack it in the draft. I know 231 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: you want playmakers. Playmakers playmakers. You need guys that can 232 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 3: score the football, But you also need an offensive line, correct, 233 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 3: So those first three picks, how many are going to 234 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: be playmakers? How many are going to be offensive line? 235 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 3: That's really what it boils. 236 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: Or maybe it's just Ruben Bain at six or David 237 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 2: Bailey at six. You're trying to get a laugh out 238 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 2: of you, is Nathan gone? Yeah? Yeah? Watch Zegura's head implode, 239 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 2: head implode? All right? So this guy that's about to 240 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 2: join us is one of my favorite people, and he 241 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 2: kind of has like he has it figured out when 242 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: it comes to living in all corners of the globe. 243 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: He is a city championship winning high school football coach 244 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: who lives in Los Angeles, works in Jacksonville, and regularly 245 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: commutes to London. With that in mind, here's my old 246 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: friend from NFL Network. It could not be the best 247 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: podcast available without the best NFL Network draft analyst available, 248 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: and that would be my dear friend from NFL Network. 249 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: We're getting the band back together, Bucky Brooks. It's good 250 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 2: to see you, man. 251 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 4: What's happening. How are we doing? 252 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: I'm doing well? How are you? 253 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 4: More importantly, I'm good. 254 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: I'm holding up okay, making it that time of year 255 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: it's a little busiest, chaotic. 256 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 4: We got everything kicking off tomorrow, so it's a lot 257 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 4: of fun. 258 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 2: I thank you to Advance for doing this, and I'll 259 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: ask you how many have you done? Because Andrew Howard 260 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 2: and the NFL Network PR staff is working you hard. 261 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well we'll eventually do ten today. It's like, 262 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: that's it. 263 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 2: It is that in your contract that you only do 264 00:12:58,480 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: t that's like. 265 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: Not compared to my cohort, Dan Jeremiah, who's a pody, 266 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,239 Speaker 1: got a podium, a podium. 267 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 4: That is crazy. He got a podium. 268 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: I posted the photo. I said, is this QB one? No, 269 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 2: it's moved the sticks. 270 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 4: It's unbelievable. No, it's great, man. This time of year 271 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 4: is great. 272 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: There's such an appreciation for all the word the scouts do, 273 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: whether it's four team TV Land, it's kind of great 274 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: to have some of those opinions out there. 275 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 2: All right, let's get some opinions. Then you're holding the 276 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: Browns microphone. Browns are picking at six. The conventional wisdom 277 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 2: is O line, Yeah, world wide receiver. We don't know 278 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: how the board's gonna fall there. 279 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 4: No, we don't know how the boards and fall. We 280 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 4: don't know how free intercon fall. 281 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: But conventional wisdom would tell you that the offensive tackle 282 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: class naturally fits what the Browns biggest needs are. So 283 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: you have two right tackles that could be there, Mabi 284 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: Goa from Miami. You think about Spencer for No from 285 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: Utah being right there, like those guys can come plug 286 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: and play, can give you exactly what you want on 287 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: the right side. At wide receiver, turn about car Now 288 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: take Ohio State's own Ohio being right there to make plays, 289 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: understands the environment, understands the expectation. Big ten guy, so 290 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: he knows the lay of the land in terms of 291 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: playing in inclement conditions. 292 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 4: He's there. 293 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: So look, I think this class offensive tackle, wide receiver class, 294 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: the cleveand Browns can find someone that can come in 295 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: to make an immediate impact. 296 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: There used to be this idea in the NFL that, hey, 297 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 2: you don't want to take a right tackle in the 298 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: top ten, like that's a left tackle position. The premium 299 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: guys not to say there aren't left tackles here. Obviously 300 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 2: Lomo the other tackle at Utah Miller, who's a Cleveland kid. 301 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: It's Strongsville, Ohio kid, Blake Miller. So there are left tackles. 302 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 2: But the names in this draft at the top that 303 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: you project potentially at six are right tackles. 304 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, but the game has changed. 305 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: And when you even think about, like Miles Garrett being 306 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: able to play right defensive end and left defensive. 307 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: End, he played the mic a little bit. 308 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, need Allen and I've eber seeing crossover everything. 309 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: What people got wise to the fact that everyone was 310 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: putting their best offensive tackle on the left side, and 311 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: so then you start I called them Michael Stray In effect, 312 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: John Fox put Michael Stray in at left defensive end 313 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: to go against the right tackle because the right tackle 314 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: used to be a maler brawler, heavy footed player. 315 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 4: So you could take advantage of him. 316 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: Well, now you basically have to have two guys that 317 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: are capable protectors on the edges. The right tackle has 318 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: become more of a premier position because guys are put 319 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: in those big time pass rushers on the other side. 320 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 2: How difficult is because Joe Thomas in front of the 321 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: program is often said, yet I think he's talking to 322 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: me like you're writing with your other hand. Yeah, you're 323 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: you're using toilet paper with a different hand. The less 324 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 2: I've heard of with you, you know that one as well. Yeah, 325 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: as a scout, as a GM and for those who 326 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 2: don't know, Bucky used to be in the scouting world 327 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: as well. Was an NFL scout after being an NFL player. 328 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: Was a second round draft pick. Played both sides of 329 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: the ball. He was Travis Hunter before Travis Hunter. He 330 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: played wide receiver and he played defensive back. Any return kise, 331 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: that's another story. So you've been in this world obviously, 332 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: how difficult is it to project this guy can play 333 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: the other side? 334 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 4: Well, hopefully, what you do? You do you due diligence. 335 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: You look in the bio, You look and see if 336 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: you have tape of him playing on both sides, because 337 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: if not, you're speculating. 338 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 4: You're guessing. 339 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: You can do some things and workouts to see, hey, 340 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: maybe he can go from this right tackle stands to 341 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: a left tackle stands. 342 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 4: But you want to see it on tape. 343 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: And most of the guys, if they were guys, they've 344 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: started on the left side and eventually they kicked them 345 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: to the right side because they couldn't get it done 346 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: or it didn't work for them. But ideally you want 347 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: to see on tape that they've been able to play 348 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: on either side. 349 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 2: So there's always been this thing as well, switching to 350 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: quarterbacks that well, there aren't a lot of second round 351 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: quarterbacks because if he's the second round quarterback, just takes 352 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: some Songe's gonna take me the first round. Right, That's 353 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 2: generally how it works. Now that's not always the case, 354 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: but it's how it works most of the time. Is 355 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 2: there a taking Mendoza out of the equation? Is there 356 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 2: even a quarterback in this draft where you go, I 357 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: think this guy projects as a long term starter. Man. 358 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: That's such a tough one, right because the next name 359 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: that everyone's gonna talk about is Todd Simpson. But what 360 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: do you value a guy that has only had fifteen 361 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: starts and you look at the last four or five 362 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: games he fell off the cliff last five games, you 363 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: only he completed less than sixty percent of his passes. 364 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 4: Well, people can. 365 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: Talk about that, but yeah, he got injured in the 366 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: playoff game. But if that's a part of it, then 367 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 1: you really have even more questions about someone who is 368 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: gonna come in maybe had a shade under six to two, 369 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: a slender frame. 370 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 4: What is he going to look like? How you're gonna 371 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:33,959 Speaker 4: hold up? 372 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: And history has told us quarterbacks with limited experience struggle 373 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: in this league. So you have him, you have Carson Beck, 374 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: you have Garrett Nussmeier, you have Drew Hollor, who can 375 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: be in the conversation. But all those guys have flaws 376 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: in their game that make you pause a little bit 377 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: when you think about them being long term options. Second round, 378 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: third round. What are the odds of them emerging as 379 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: a long term solutions? Horrid? And it's hard in this 380 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: league to not be a first round pick and to 381 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: be someone who's a viable option for a long term. 382 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 2: And like I was having a conversation with so On 383 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 2: earlier today, specifically about Simpson because some people, our friend 384 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: Daniel Jeremiah has said while he must have had some 385 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 2: assurances coming out, because why would you turn down a 386 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 2: five to six figure nil deal, I'm sorry, not figure 387 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 2: million nil deal to come back and play in the SEC. 388 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 2: Like if you're gonna throw your hat in the ring, 389 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 2: you must know something, like you think you're going to 390 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 2: the first round. I had someone push back today or 391 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 2: he's looked ahead to twenty seven's quarterback class and going 392 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: I don't want to swim in those waters. Not that 393 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 2: I'm a confident player. But all those Blaue shippers there, Yeah, 394 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 2: those waters. 395 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: And even though we tend to do this a lot, 396 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: but those waters, arch Manning being the headliner, Dante Moore, 397 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: leonor Sirius you have saying from Ohio State like, there 398 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: are a lot of guys that right now from afar 399 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: are appeared to be duce. 400 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 401 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: If you're Tod Simpson, you're looking at this class and 402 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, well Mendos may go ahead of me, 403 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: but who else, Well, I'll throw my head in a 404 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: ring with Carson Beck and all those other guys. And 405 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: so that's why he may have thought it was a 406 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: better option. And because so many quarterbacks have been pushed 407 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: up or elevator or going in the first round when 408 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: the consensus said this time of the year was they're 409 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: not first rounders. 410 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 4: Maybe you just kind of roll the dice something that 411 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:18,239 Speaker 4: you can get in. 412 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 2: So this is not me calling the whole draft industry out, 413 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 2: but a year ago we were sitting there going, man, 414 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 2: all right, this is a cam Ward should or draft 415 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 2: maybe Jackson Dark but next next year, yeah, same thing 416 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: twenty six. Man, Yeah, it's gonna be sellers. It's gonna 417 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: be simpler. Yeah, I mean Drew almost came out last 418 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 2: year like he. I mean, maybe one playoff game goes 419 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: the other way and he does come out, right. Yeah, 420 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 2: So twenty six, man, that's when you want your draft picks. 421 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: Browns get two, Rams, get two everyone's loading up. So 422 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm a came blogne It's the same thing. 423 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 2: Why should we believe that next year is going to 424 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: be that good? 425 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: We shouldn't. You sounds good, don't know, you don't. So 426 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: that's why you gotta deal with what's right in front 427 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: of you. 428 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 4: Now. 429 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: Most evaluators will always look one year head when come 430 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 1: to the quarterback that you're trying to have a general 431 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: idea of what's coming. But you're right, you don't know 432 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: if those guys are gonna have good years because this 433 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: time last year we talked about all those we talked 434 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: about nuts might have been a top ten, We talked about, 435 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: I mean, kay Klubnick being a guy in play ever 436 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: to be heard frohim again. So we just don't know, 437 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: and so you have to deal with what you have. Now, 438 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: you have to compare what is out there versus what 439 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: is already on your roster and that's not only in 440 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: the draft of free agency, because people are talking about 441 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: Milik Willis being a guy and he's played six games. 442 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 2: Take Kenyan Citeak out of it. Who's your favorite tight 443 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: end in this draft? 444 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: Oh man, there's so many. This class is terrific. Max 445 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: Claire from Ohio State is good. Joey royster roster, roster, 446 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: what if Cincinnati kid, he's really good. You have Dylan 447 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: Ballin from Utah is good. I mean, there are tight 448 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: ends abound. There are some players in this draft that 449 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: can come in and make an immediate impact. You guys 450 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: already saw what Harrold fan and Jr. Was able to 451 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: do right away. There's some guys that can make an 452 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: impact like that. So that's why if you're a team 453 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: in need of a tight end, you definitely can find one. 454 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 2: So I've asked a couple of people this and it's 455 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: been kind of a topic here around Cleveland, like, hey, 456 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 2: what can you take from last year's class? And last 457 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: year's class was a grand slam, and say, and like, 458 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: what do we learn about our process? What did we 459 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 2: learn about our decision making or scouting? All of that. 460 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 2: There's pressure in everyone in this business, every single person 461 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: that's working in the NFL and getting an NFL paycheck 462 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: has pressure. But as a scouting department, as a front office, 463 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: after having such a great draft, what's it like to 464 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: come back and then try to do that again? 465 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's the expectation, and it's so hard 466 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: because last year's draft was terrific. Their players, they nailed 467 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: it all through. Our guys played a ton and now 468 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: you're confident, Okay, well, maybe the process works. Our process works. 469 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: The way we go about doing things work does make 470 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: sure we nail the right kind of guys, and then 471 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: you're having to do it. 472 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 4: But the coaching change. 473 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: So you got to get on the same page with 474 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: Monkey and this staff to make sure that we are 475 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: seeing it the right way. But you certainly feel confident 476 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: that you have a process that works and that we 477 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 1: want to build upon what we saw in twenty twenty five. 478 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 2: Last thing, how many legit first round blue chip grades 479 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 2: do you have in this draft? Because the consensus is this, 480 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: this is not the deepest draft. 481 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 4: No, it's not the deepest draft. But I'll say this, 482 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 4: people talk about that all the time. The great wand Wolf. 483 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: Always talked about in every draft class, you talk about 484 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty two. Real blue chips are there eighteen 485 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: to twenty two this I would say probably like sixteen 486 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: or so blue chippers, and they are enough that, depending 487 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: on fit and scheme, guys can play at that level. 488 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: So it's not like I would say the headliner draft, 489 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: the blockbuster draft, and everyone celebrates because we don't have 490 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: those guys at the marquee positions. But they're good players, 491 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: and when we look back at this draft, we'll say, oh, man, 492 00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: there's some really good players in this draft. 493 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 2: You got picks, you got TOURNAMENTO players, so go find 494 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: go find the best players. But I also think that 495 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: with everything we just talked about about twenty seven, when 496 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: people say, well, maybe the back half of the first 497 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 2: rounders and there we'll trade out, well, someone's gonna have 498 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 2: to want to trade up, and no one's going to 499 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 2: give up next year's assets. 500 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: No ifs A classes as we've talked about it being 501 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: with received from Ohio State and some of the other 502 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: guys like, yeah, it's gonna be one where yeah, you 503 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: want to get in that mix, but you got a 504 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: draft twos in this class, and so you better focus 505 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: on the players that are in this class. 506 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 4: That's gonna help you right away. 507 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: Okay, I lied. One more thing. Jaguars are going back 508 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,959 Speaker 2: to London this year because they have basically a permanent 509 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 2: residency right back to back all right in London. The 510 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 2: Browns are scheduled to play in Jacksonville this year. 511 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 4: Oh man, be fun. You want to go? You want 512 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 4: to like, we can go over fish and chips? You 513 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 4: think are you campaigning for that? 514 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 2: No? I like that if you know we were there 515 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 2: last year. Oh we lost to the Vikings last year. 516 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 2: There go again. And just saying do you know anything? No, 517 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: I don't know anything. I just know that you're gonna 518 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: be there. 519 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just know there are two games. I mean, 520 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 4: but if if you want to get in the mix, like, 521 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 4: that'd be fine. We can go over there. You know 522 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 4: there's done to travel. It's easy now for. 523 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: We have a couple of games this year where the 524 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 2: our road opponent is scheduled to play overseas. You guys 525 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: the Saints in Paris, So like there are possibilities. 526 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 4: Oh man, that would be that'd be a nice That 527 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 4: would be nice if you could do Paris. 528 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: And I mean that would that would just take the chunnel. 529 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 2: I mean it would be amazing, like the Vikings did. 530 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 2: They did Ireland and then they doubling and then London. 531 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 4: Like what not just just do it all there, just 532 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 4: be gone for two. 533 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 2: Weeks and thought of that. That would be a really good idea. 534 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 2: We can do that, just take the chunnel. Yeah, FeelA 535 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 2: is shaking his head. Come on, dude, how much. 536 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 4: Fun would that be? Like? Oh, man, like Paris one week? 537 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 2: Did London? 538 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 4: Like finish it off? Best job you don't. 539 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 2: Even have to go for I'm just pitching the idea, 540 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 2: take the best podcast available on the road. Well, this 541 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 2: is only an off seas, but we'll take the game 542 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 2: on the road. 543 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be fine. 544 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 2: I'll buy a pint if that happens. 545 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 4: Oh, let's do it. 546 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 2: The great Bucky Brooks everybody, thank you, sir, Bucky Brooks, 547 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: truly one of my favorite people. He will go to 548 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: London and then go back and coach a high school 549 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: football game and then go back to London, like in 550 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 2: a span of four days. God bless him. Anyway, Yes, 551 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: there's a lot of frequent flyer miles, not that I 552 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 2: would know anything about that. So talking about the right 553 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 2: tackle left tackle thing, it's also important to rebuild the 554 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: interior of the offensive line. We have the Luke Whipler piece. 555 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 2: We'd piece rather we discussed that earlier. Don't know about 556 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 2: Joel Potonio. Right tackle wyat Teller has announced that he 557 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 2: is moving on somewhat as expected. Here, you can potentially, 558 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 2: like if you get CC Mauinoa, he could also kick inside. 559 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 2: Some people think he could be a guard. I don't 560 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: care where you start, but you can't forget about the interior. 561 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: You just need reliable minds. 562 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, we had Emery Hunt on Cleveland Browns Daily and 563 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 3: the draft analyst for CBS Sports, and he's on the 564 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 3: Russ Tucker podcast and he's got his own publication that 565 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 3: he puts out and he said it. He goes everybody 566 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 3: makes a big deal about the tackles, but he's like, 567 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 3: it starts inside. It's guard center, guard, that that's where 568 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 3: That's where it really starts. You know, so much is 569 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 3: made of the tackle position. And he's like, if a 570 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 3: tackle's not there that you're one hundred percent in on, 571 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 3: then maybe there maybe that guard is there at thirty 572 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 3: nine or at twenty four four. And it's not a 573 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 3: sexy pick, but it's someone that you are going to 574 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 3: need here going. 575 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 2: From Alex Mack wasn't a sexy pick either, boy, right, 576 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 2: that paid off really well Atonio, Yeah, that in the 577 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 2: second round exactly. So you just need good offensive lineman. 578 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 2: And look, there is I don't know this for certain, 579 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 2: but obviously there is still free agency and the new 580 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 2: league year, and you're gonna dip your toes in that 581 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 2: water as well. Go back to two thousand and Brian 582 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: Baldinger speaking of benefl and that work. My friend, you 583 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,239 Speaker 2: always watch Baldy's break down. We haven't seen he might 584 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 2: be the only person I haven't seen. He was in 585 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 2: Turkey last week. Oh, I don't know if he decided. 586 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll be back by the time the old 587 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: linemen are on the field in a couple of days. 588 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: Because that is Brian Baldinger is the world's most interesting 589 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 2: human being. And there isn't a place in the universe 590 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: he hasn't been to. Like I would ask him, mate, 591 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: we're off on a tangenteer, where should I go on vacation? 592 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: And he would just throw out these most ridiculous places. 593 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 2: And if I were to throw out a place, he 594 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: of course has been there. Like if I would say, hey, Baldy, 595 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 2: I'm thinking of going to the Dark side of the 596 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 2: Moon this summer. He'll be, Oh, you know what, there's 597 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: this great place. They've got amazing fahitas as ask for 598 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: my guy, Bobby. He knows everybody. He's that kind of human, 599 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: that guy anyway, we're worried. He would always make the 600 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: point that the interior Buttonio and Posik and Teller. I 601 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: believe he might have called them the Lawful. I don't know, 602 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: but he came out with some name that never stuck 603 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 2: because he wasn't that good honestly, Baldie, I love you, 604 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 2: but he would always do breakdowns about how those three 605 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 2: would just just destroy people. We'll go back to the 606 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 2: glory days of Nick Chubb, especially in the twenty twenty 607 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: season with the playoffs. Yeah, the you can build a 608 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 2: line inside out, and you probably should. 609 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 3: The opportunity is there, especially especially that pick thirty nine, 610 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 3: that really feels like that's that's a guard or an 611 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 3: interior alignment of some kind. We'll see what it transpires, 612 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 3: but go get a playmaker at six or twenty four. 613 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 3: Maybe get two playmakers at six and a twenty four. 614 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 2: As Jim Harbaugh once said, offensive linemen are weapons. I 615 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: don't think you'll get an argument from me. I put 616 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: that in our group chat that has like, how'd that 617 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: go for you? You bo Joe Thomas Nathan, I just 618 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: do that in there. 619 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 4: How'd that go? 620 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: Oh? I just poked the bear? Yeah you did, Yeah 621 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: you did. 622 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 3: That's one of those where the phone literally just buzzed 623 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 3: for thirty two minutes. 624 00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 4: Stress. 625 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, that's all right. I like it. 626 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 3: I like poking the bear. You like to poke the bear. 627 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 3: We're working works that go into a shoot and everything's great. 628 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 2: Weapons webens weapons. On that note, we thank you for 629 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: listening to and watching the best podcast available. This is 630 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: our second edition here at the Combine. 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