Speaker 1: R and B Money.
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Speaker 3: R and B ladies and gentlemen. My name is Tank.
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Speaker 4: The authority on all things R and B all all inclusive.
Speaker 3: R and B is worldwide.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: Uh that's why they stay. They basically gotta lookt their name.
Speaker 4: Man, that says today is Usher Janet see Billy Race.
Speaker 3: It's not a kid almost blind tall, make some noise.
Speaker 6: I need that audio clip after. By the way, your
Speaker 6: Spanish is better than ours.
Speaker 3: Bro. Listen, bro, thank you man, Thank you man.
Speaker 4: We we do this in passing, but you know, to actually,
Speaker 4: you know, get into space and sit down man and
Speaker 4: have these cool conversations.
Speaker 1: This man, this is laid out off.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm at the crib.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 7: I have to dress it up like I was kind
Speaker 7: of rich too, was.
Speaker 4: Coming what I'm saying, Yeah, Man, thank you man. We
Speaker 4: can't thank you enough man for giving us your time.
Speaker 3: Man. It's beautiful and.
Speaker 4: You we have so much ground to cover man with
Speaker 4: you guys, it's been thirty plus years.
Speaker 3: Of success. Ship exactly.
Speaker 1: Tomato can man.
Speaker 3: What like where do we start, Valentine, like, what where
Speaker 3: do we go? Man?
Speaker 8: I think we I think we go to I think
Speaker 8: we probably start with popstart where it starts. I mean,
Speaker 8: man like, y'all gotta y'all gotta give us, give us,
Speaker 8: give us the lay of the lamb. Man about how
Speaker 8: this thing works and how you know, two Latin brothers
Speaker 8: get into this R and B thing, and and just
Speaker 8: you know, the journey and the challenges of you know
Speaker 8: what I mean, because it's not like y'all were making
Speaker 8: Spanish music or Latin music, or y'all was making R
Speaker 8: and B music.
Speaker 1: That was what was in the house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, start there, we'll talk about the house. Give me
Speaker 3: the house. You know.
Speaker 6: Pops was the interest thing with pas Man is you know,
Speaker 6: he was a musician, played keys, and.
Speaker 3: You know he was he.
Speaker 6: Was a mediocre player, but he was the guy that
Speaker 6: had the equipment, He had the gigs, he had the relationships.
Speaker 6: So he knew that he can put himself and dress
Speaker 6: himself up around great musicians because they all needed the gig, right.
Speaker 1: So he was that dude.
Speaker 6: He was like, I'm gonna be in the band. Y'all
Speaker 6: would be great, but I'm gonna have the relationships. I'm
Speaker 6: gonna have the gigs, I'm gonna have the work, and
Speaker 6: that's what it was. And so we were always around
Speaker 6: musicians in the crib, and you know, it was black
Speaker 6: music twenty four to seven in our crib. There wasn't
Speaker 6: anything else. It was earth Wind and Fire, Chaka Khan,
Speaker 6: it was Donnie, it was every.
Speaker 1: All of that.
Speaker 6: So that's what that's what we inherited. You know that
Speaker 6: that became a part of our DNA. And you know
Speaker 6: as kids, you know, they would rehearse it in the garage,
Speaker 6: and our rooms are right next to the garage, and
Speaker 6: so like, you know, we're trying to go to Bedford
Speaker 6: sleep man, we can't sleep there.
Speaker 5: And there jamming.
Speaker 6: So Pos would have us go in the garage and
Speaker 6: just naturally he go sit by the keyboard player and
Speaker 6: I go sit.
Speaker 1: By the drummer. And that was like.
Speaker 6: Kind of how it got going. For every night, Yeah,
Speaker 6: every night them rehearsal. My dad would sneak us into
Speaker 6: their clubs at the gig and he'd make us, he'd
Speaker 6: make us get up there and play on their break.
Speaker 1: Get your ass you'll play, you know, So you know,
Speaker 1: he just he had a vision.
Speaker 6: Man, he saw something that he wanted to instill in
Speaker 6: us and just push at all costs, you know. And
Speaker 6: he was crazy and he was crazy as hell, and
Speaker 6: you know he had a man. He had an extreme
Speaker 6: tough life. I mean we talk about this, you know,
Speaker 6: from time to time, like the deck of cards he
Speaker 6: was dealt. He did the best he could. It's like
Speaker 6: he had the right intentions but just did it the
Speaker 6: wrong way. But I'm forty five now and I could
Speaker 6: look back and say, you know what, Pops, however you
Speaker 6: did it. However you did it, You put music in
Speaker 6: our DNA, and we can't imagine living.
Speaker 3: Without music in our lives, of course, you know.
Speaker 6: So there's a call, there's a there's something to be
Speaker 6: said about that type of iron fist that that exists
Speaker 6: at that time, in that era, because now you see,
Speaker 6: you see like a lack of it, and we nurture
Speaker 6: in punks, now, you know what I'm saying. So there's
Speaker 6: something to be said about that dynamic man. And that's
Speaker 6: I think his heart upbringing is what allowed us to
Speaker 6: weather the many storms.
Speaker 3: That we were going to get ready to compass through
Speaker 3: our journey.
Speaker 1: It takes crazy, you gotta be crazy.
Speaker 5: It takes crazy to make it in this thing.
Speaker 8: It really does, man, because there is there's no truly,
Speaker 8: there's no real formal anything, and we're grabbing things out
Speaker 8: of the air that we hope that someone else likes.
Speaker 9: Yes, you know, well, you know we talk about like
Speaker 9: you can't just wake up and say I'm a doctor
Speaker 9: at all.
Speaker 7: You have to have a degree.
Speaker 9: Yes, for some reason in our craft, you could just
Speaker 9: wake up like I'm a producer.
Speaker 1: I got this laptop, my.
Speaker 3: Record labels up.
Speaker 5: You know, I didn't make the NFL.
Speaker 9: It's like we talked like, you know, no, you're not
Speaker 9: a producer, you know, a reducer, like learn your craft
Speaker 9: and the thing is in the game, you know, the
Speaker 9: last thing you did get you to the you know yours,
Speaker 9: yours only as good as your last Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 9: but how to you even get there?
Speaker 6: But I think to looking at you know, my dad's
Speaker 6: appetite for having this vision that he had with his kids,
Speaker 6: you know, and pushing especially Bob, pushing Bob to where
Speaker 6: you know, Bob's twelve years old and you know, get
Speaker 6: signed to RCA. You know, it's just that was through
Speaker 6: my pops, just the way he was chiseling that rock.
Speaker 1: There was no over Pops.
Speaker 6: We just want to go outside and hang with with
Speaker 6: the fellas, play some street football. No no, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: that's it. Don't mean done here. You get in there
Speaker 6: and and you practice, and you work and you work
Speaker 6: and you work, and so you know that that's that
Speaker 6: mentality is what has really throughout the years kept us
Speaker 6: locked in and kept our eye on the prize, you know,
Speaker 6: because I just you know, where were kids at?
Speaker 3: Man, It's like, where were you?
Speaker 6: We don't real to like location, yeah, real to California.
Speaker 4: So it's like because I'm just like listening to the
Speaker 4: parallel between y'all.
Speaker 8: This guy like Bobby was Rome, this one was Spanish.
Speaker 4: Yeah, same mentality, but had that drive and that hunger
Speaker 4: in that obsession.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's like that, you know, it just drove greatness.
Speaker 9: And it's like my dad had such an appetite to
Speaker 9: be that guy. It's like I'm gonna, I'm gonna make
Speaker 9: them do it, and I'm gonna I'm gonna live through them.
Speaker 9: And that's you know, that's that generation's mentality, like at.
Speaker 6: All costs if it don't have it for me, and
Speaker 6: nothing else matters, you know, And that was the thing
Speaker 6: I think too with him because my pops he you know,
Speaker 6: he didn't get to have a childhood, you know, so
Speaker 6: here we are trying to trying to help him understand
Speaker 6: how how much we would just want to be kids
Speaker 6: too sometimes.
Speaker 1: And he was like no.
Speaker 7: Closet, you know. He was relentless.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, and you know, nothing was shaken his
Speaker 6: direction of what he had in mind for his kids.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah.
Speaker 9: And I think to one essential component to us was
Speaker 9: my dad's like best friend and he came from Andre
Speaker 9: Crouching the Disciples. His name was James Felix, and he
Speaker 9: too was Mexican and he was from our area.
Speaker 1: Man, the illness Mexican was so you'll ever.
Speaker 3: Hear crazy.
Speaker 7: His voice and he was he was.
Speaker 9: A bass player for damn there, Donnie, Like wow, like
Speaker 9: that heart, that vibrato, all of that that just that
Speaker 9: gear and so like they were listening to Steely Dan,
Speaker 9: total total bunch of fusion Weather Report. So we were
Speaker 9: growing up to like this is another day, well done,
Speaker 9: we expect you. So all of that music naturally just
Speaker 9: came to us in our spirit. So anything we touched
Speaker 9: it just was embedded in us. So you know, with
Speaker 9: my Pops and having that guy that really got me
Speaker 9: to want to explore singing, writing and producing, And for
Speaker 9: some reason, I just connected with technology.
Speaker 7: So I was like running sub twelve hundred.
Speaker 1: We got we got videos.
Speaker 6: We got videos of Bobby when he was like five
Speaker 6: and he's literally playing like chick corea. You know that
Speaker 6: that's how, that's how, that's how intense it was in
Speaker 6: our household with just being around great musicians. You know,
Speaker 6: it's like that's what we got to absorb. You know,
Speaker 6: when you're little man, you absorb things like this.
Speaker 3: For some strange.
Speaker 5: Reason really because you don't have nothing else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: It's like it's like you're you're you're an open hard
Speaker 6: drive at that time, and you're just information is coming
Speaker 6: in and you're I mean, Bob was like a you know,
Speaker 6: he was a genius. You know, he was doing beta
Speaker 6: testing videos and then you know, I mean, god is deal.
Speaker 1: You know, how do you get there?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 8: Like I get you know, from the family band, your
Speaker 8: father being in the industry, and you guys being around
Speaker 8: all these musicians, But how do you get to the
Speaker 8: point where it's like, Okay, we've identified that we're going
Speaker 8: after a deal for Bobby.
Speaker 5: Because that's that's literally what happens, you know.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean my dad partnered up with the guy
Speaker 9: that he knew through my uncle, and this dude was
Speaker 9: like synonymous with like right and we wear short shorts.
Speaker 9: So my dad did a whole thing, like you know,
Speaker 9: and he was like, Oh, we're gonna we're gonna get
Speaker 9: him in a better studio.
Speaker 7: We're gonna do X, Y and Z.
Speaker 9: So at the time, he knew Jerome Gasper who was
Speaker 9: running A and M Records, and Jerome was didn't know
Speaker 9: if he was going to be there or not, but
Speaker 9: he said, look, I'll give you guys a time in
Speaker 9: Studio A and you guys know at A and M.
Speaker 7: Come up with the demo.
Speaker 9: So we did, and he ended up leaving and they
Speaker 9: brought in John McClain, so A and M was not
Speaker 9: an option. So I had this demo and it got
Speaker 9: in the hands of Skip Miller RCA Records, who ran
Speaker 9: Department Department, and then Zach Voss who ran Motown. So man,
Speaker 9: I'm like, first of all, I didn't even know what
Speaker 9: I was doing singing in the studio, but I you know,
Speaker 9: we and the I E we had a lot of talent,
Speaker 9: so a lot of the guys that played for like
Speaker 9: George Benson, Booty. There was a guy named Trey Stone
Speaker 9: who was like they were all the I then yeah,
Speaker 9: Sammy Hag just bang. So you know, there was like
Speaker 9: there was all of these guys around, and so how
Speaker 9: did I get here? Like Motown and this and that.
Speaker 9: I was like, I was about the music. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 9: when's the next in Sonic coming out of Wdennesday. I
Speaker 9: was just into that, the technology part of it. So
Speaker 9: next thing, you know, man, uh, I'll never forget it.
Speaker 9: I went to school and they said, you know you're
Speaker 9: gonna be RC Records.
Speaker 7: I went to school.
Speaker 9: My best friend asked me to walk home with him
Speaker 9: with this girl, which I never do. So we we
Speaker 9: were I'm walking with him and this dude who broke
Speaker 9: out of prison I found out later, goes and jams
Speaker 9: my boy up, hits me with a pistol, and he
Speaker 9: broke out of prison to see this girl.
Speaker 7: Who was this girl?
Speaker 8: He was a he was a young boy, like y'all yeah,
Speaker 8: and I'm like he was just on different type of
Speaker 8: time on the whole to so.
Speaker 7: I'm thinking he's got a gun.
Speaker 9: I'm never gonna make it with my dad and my
Speaker 9: mom to this, like to get introduced to RCA Records.
Speaker 9: I'll never forget it. I don't know how I got away.
Speaker 9: I don't even remember running. I just it was such
Speaker 9: a daze to me. And that night we end up
Speaker 9: driving to the Hilton to go meet all the executives
Speaker 9: and I'll see Kumo D. And I was like, Wow,
Speaker 9: that's wild Wall West, Kimo D.
Speaker 7: That's how you like me?
Speaker 9: Now, that's Teddy Riley And I was like a massive
Speaker 9: Teddy fan. So I was like it just became fun
Speaker 9: from that day on. Then we went to New York.
Speaker 9: It just was like it didn't feel like anything other
Speaker 9: than just I'm in music. I'm doing what I love
Speaker 9: and they're making it. They're making it work for me.
Speaker 9: And it was crazy.
Speaker 7: That was that was like.
Speaker 1: That was the real, Like, Okay, here comes this journey.
Speaker 9: You know, wheel was up and yeah it started there.
Speaker 1: Started there, and then you know, landed a tour with
Speaker 1: New Kids on the Block.
Speaker 4: So you got records, Yeah, yeah, you got singles out, Yeah,
Speaker 4: singles out.
Speaker 3: You're cooking.
Speaker 7: I was cooking.
Speaker 9: It was cooking with some gas and you're going on
Speaker 9: the road with New Kids on the Block.
Speaker 1: The biggest group at the time. You know, I'm over
Speaker 1: here working out with the dance routines I got.
Speaker 6: I'm working with all the cats in the streets, like,
Speaker 6: let's get this show right, because that's the beautiful show
Speaker 6: my dad see that. But that was the pedigree of
Speaker 6: our dad. He was like, you got to know how
Speaker 6: to talk in interviews and when you get on that stage,
Speaker 6: you got to light them up.
Speaker 1: So all of that was just being dumped into us.
Speaker 6: So you know, we had, you know, public enemy in
Speaker 6: the streets at the time, We had special and all
Speaker 6: the ship that was really popping and it was like, okay,
Speaker 6: how do we infuse this?
Speaker 1: We got to put a show together.
Speaker 6: We werehearsing in the backyard, like saying, you know all
Speaker 6: that classic just bringing it together and refining it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 6: So by the time we got on the New Kids
Speaker 6: block of the stage a New Kids tour.
Speaker 1: We was whipping asked.
Speaker 8: I got a question though, because I know what I
Speaker 8: got from your record deal. What did you get as
Speaker 8: far as like you personally?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was a big body.
Speaker 7: You said it right.
Speaker 9: Well, when I when I was eighteen I had a
Speaker 9: CD account.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, let's go back to no Oka.
Speaker 10: But it was.
Speaker 7: Only nine thousand. So what I got was keep doing
Speaker 7: what you're doing, right.
Speaker 1: But that's that's a good question.
Speaker 6: That's a good question though, So let's let's talk about
Speaker 6: let's let's lift up the hood on that, all right.
Speaker 6: So there, you know, when you got a parent who's
Speaker 6: also managing, there's also a fine line between that as
Speaker 6: a parent and a manager. And nobody see, nobody teaches
Speaker 6: the game of how you're supposed to construct that cooglar.
Speaker 6: So yeah, so you just think, well, we're family, Okay,
Speaker 6: you're growing up. I'm taking care of you. It all
Speaker 6: just comes in and I'm gonna go get this new beamer.
Speaker 6: Oh you need some nights, all right, let's go get
Speaker 6: you some.
Speaker 11: It's and possibly and got himself a beamer, like let's be.
Speaker 3: Free because I had a record. But check this out.
Speaker 1: And then the parents rebuttal is, But.
Speaker 3: We went on vacations.
Speaker 1: We you know, we we did nice things.
Speaker 6: It's like okay, but yeah, like I should be building
Speaker 6: up some kind of reservoir tank over here with just
Speaker 6: some brand in there.
Speaker 1: So when I get to eighteen, I could go get.
Speaker 7: It anything like, because I love gear.
Speaker 9: Right, So if anything he gave me, he provided one
Speaker 9: of the studio so we got a console. You know,
Speaker 9: I was able to just be in the lab now.
Speaker 9: So he facilitated all that. So my thing was like,
Speaker 9: I don't pay no bills or not on my on
Speaker 9: my diab, I don't even know what they are. I
Speaker 9: got clothes, I got food, and now I'm the studios
Speaker 9: working and I'm working like NonStop, like Dan day out.
Speaker 9: I'm probably spending like fifteen to seventeen hours a day wow,
Speaker 9: and then waking up thinking about it and it's just
Speaker 9: right over here.
Speaker 8: Girl, you're not in school anymore at this point. No,
Speaker 8: I'm from both of you homeschool now, both school.
Speaker 9: And my pops was crazy, man, I mean he was.
Speaker 7: It was toxic in the house.
Speaker 6: And you know it's crazy crazy as crazy as crazy
Speaker 6: as he was. I mean, my pops snock dudes out.
Speaker 6: My dad is only five six.
Speaker 3: Bro, I can see that, I understand.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but when we were little, he was like
Speaker 1: he was a giant.
Speaker 8: Yeah, listen, energy any anything under five sabbing type, right,
Speaker 8: It's not a type of survival in their minds. Absolutely
Speaker 8: like you get a little you get start getting over five.
Speaker 8: Now you start chilling a little bit, like okay, because because.
Speaker 4: Of your science matters under five nine.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, niggas.
Speaker 4: Alone, they've already calculated their disadvantage long ago.
Speaker 3: So they're going they walk around.
Speaker 5: What I'm sick of this.
Speaker 7: I wish he would.
Speaker 3: They're going for to kill early. You.
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna say no to me, dangerous.
Speaker 9: You can't tea size, right, so the size is like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: here and that's his that was his wife, and he
Speaker 9: figured out the way how to create his concoction and
Speaker 9: pour all of that into us.
Speaker 3: You know. So you.
Speaker 5: New kids on the block.
Speaker 6: Cheeks everywhere, guys cheeks everywhere, all of them, they all
Speaker 6: love all different.
Speaker 9: Man, I see my baby and my my teddies light
Speaker 9: in the n PC and the s we twelve. I
Speaker 9: was so I was so there, like I didn't see
Speaker 9: anything else. So so here and here's I didn't. I
Speaker 9: couldn't say, bro, man.
Speaker 7: To have he had first, he had had to have it.
Speaker 9: I was talking to prostitutes on Broadway in New York like,
Speaker 9: and they would laugh at.
Speaker 6: I was like, but yeah, he said, come here, what
Speaker 6: you need but you know, one of the gyms that
Speaker 6: my dad would always throw at us was, if you're
Speaker 6: ever going to be distracted, it's going to be through
Speaker 6: a woman.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, stay focused.
Speaker 9: So the Empires built.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you know in a sense that that really
Speaker 6: kept us from going astray and wild'ing out.
Speaker 1: You know, we just heads down, man, you know.
Speaker 3: In the studio instead, you know, except when you was talking.
Speaker 7: To the Yeah, you know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You know the game we signed so many titties on
Speaker 1: tour kids, how.
Speaker 8: Many how many cities did you'll do that?
Speaker 3: We went?
Speaker 9: We ran through the states, every city and then the
Speaker 9: United States.
Speaker 3: It was different.
Speaker 9: It was different, like, you know, record reps would have
Speaker 9: me performing in nightclubs, nightclubs, and I'm like, now, I
Speaker 9: think about it because you know, my son is thirteen.
Speaker 9: H you they are trying to get some ass and
Speaker 9: comes up playing a keyboard that in here. Oh that's cute,
Speaker 9: and that's how they built. Oh he's brewing in Philly,
Speaker 9: but he's brewing in Houston's. And they go go to
Speaker 9: the record stores. You know, they're buying everything, like there's
Speaker 9: some sales there.
Speaker 1: I never forget being in the hood.
Speaker 6: And Nike drops off boxes for us, and we had
Speaker 6: like we're the only ones that had like the Nike sweatsuits,
Speaker 6: and we had Jay's, we had the ones and two's.
Speaker 6: As a kid, bro, you're saying, you know, yeah, they
Speaker 6: delivered us to like, you know, you.
Speaker 9: Start experiencing the New York Nelson Man as you say that,
Speaker 9: Like New York Cus was one of my favorite Drakes
Speaker 9: Man case is like crates of that stuff.
Speaker 7: Oh BK is coming out again.
Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, finish.
Speaker 7: It's like, hey, we made it right, we made.
Speaker 8: So what were the what were the challenges though? It's
Speaker 8: being young.
Speaker 5: Latin urban department.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think for Bobby at that time, it was
Speaker 6: always a challenge of how do we market this kid?
Speaker 1: Right, who's Mexican, who's doing black music? What is he?
Speaker 1: Where does he go? Where do we put him in?
Speaker 1: What's familiar?
Speaker 6: So you know, it was it was that was always
Speaker 6: a challenge, you know, just not knowing where to place
Speaker 6: that type of talent because.
Speaker 8: Even though you know, like you said, you know, y'all
Speaker 8: rooted in R and B, but they put you out
Speaker 8: with new kids on the block, so they're already trying
Speaker 8: to figure it out. Yeah, It's not like we figured
Speaker 8: out a way to throw him, you know, get get
Speaker 8: him on a new addition tour.
Speaker 3: Right exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, they were trying to figure out that that high
Speaker 9: rid because they always knew like the Latin space was
Speaker 9: going to be huge, that it was untapped in r
Speaker 9: c A, which I just found out.
Speaker 7: I forgot they had a noodle.
Speaker 5: I was about to say, you're just gonn dismonudo.
Speaker 6: You know, don't be acting like didn't exist, right, I know,
Speaker 6: they laid some groundwork, they laid even.
Speaker 5: Them like they hadn't broken into America.
Speaker 6: But here, And that was a challenge because because they
Speaker 6: had laid the groundwork, it was like, well is he.
Speaker 1: Comparable that do we fit them in a little bit
Speaker 1: in a.
Speaker 6: Boxing You gotta look at Bob's first album cover in
Speaker 6: the back, He's literally ten keyboards around there.
Speaker 1: I mean he was playing everything that like how do
Speaker 1: you how do we story.
Speaker 3: You were talented.
Speaker 7: Turkeys?
Speaker 9: Like, oh man, we always have we have a romance.
Speaker 9: I love that, dude, you know, but yeah, that like
Speaker 9: those cats, So my grease came from a different space.
Speaker 9: So anytime it got pop or corny, I mean, it
Speaker 9: was like that ain't me. I'm listening to the Bomb Squad,
Speaker 9: Keith In Hey shot Lead and Premiere and Pete Q Harris,
Speaker 9: I'm listening to like yeah like that. So when I
Speaker 9: used to and mind you, RCA had their subsidiary or
Speaker 9: partner was Jive, So I had keris one BDP. That's
Speaker 9: melody doctor, I try called quest and like I said,
Speaker 9: Teddy was like you know Teddy that yeah, big with
Speaker 9: Big Daddy can't called chilling marlamoar Like that was my
Speaker 9: information on top of you know Prince and you know
Speaker 9: the time and all of that. So I had this
Speaker 9: hybrid and anytime it it got like, well, let's just
Speaker 9: do this song in Spanish. I don't speak Spanish, so
Speaker 9: it's like, well, let's try to do something. And at
Speaker 9: that time I would see how they were trying to
Speaker 9: take like Selena put her in the pop world and
Speaker 9: trying to force that, and it's like the one thing
Speaker 9: about the black world is like if you aren't genuine
Speaker 9: and it ain't real or authentic, hey Tomato cares, Yeah,
Speaker 9: get on the other side. On the other side, we
Speaker 9: were at Mastering with Brian the Face Brian Gardner at
Speaker 9: Bernie Grummings and you know, he's doing this thing and
Speaker 9: he gets a phone call and it's Terry Lewis and
Speaker 9: Terry's checking on a project.
Speaker 5: And how old are you at this point?
Speaker 9: I'm fourteen? Yeah, okay and fourteen years old. And so
Speaker 9: Terry is asking Brian about what when's it gonna be done?
Speaker 9: Then he hears it, He's like who's at And Brian's like, oh,
Speaker 9: this young kid, you know, mastered this other album back
Speaker 9: with RCA, but he's putting out something independent and he
Speaker 9: said he doesn't have a deal. He was like, no,
Speaker 9: well let me find out. So hey, guys, uh is
Speaker 9: this independent or is there a record company? Because I
Speaker 9: don't see a record company on them on the call sheet.
Speaker 9: He's like, no, it's independent. Why well, because Terry Lewis
Speaker 9: is on the phone and he likes what he hears.
Speaker 9: So I was like, uh, the Terry Lewis light Time
Speaker 9: Like yeah, it's like Mortimer Randalls yell.
Speaker 7: Machines on, those machines on.
Speaker 9: And man, next thing you know, I'm in Minneapolis. Three
Speaker 9: weeks later New Journey and that that was where you know,
Speaker 9: perspective was burnt.
Speaker 5: Wait over the phone, bro It starts with you fourteen
Speaker 5: years old.
Speaker 9: Start starts with me at fourteen side of me as
Speaker 9: an artist.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 6: So then they signed me as an artist. I was
Speaker 6: all my Ryman shit. So Bobby was doing the production.
Speaker 6: I was on my rhyming shit, and Bob gave my
Speaker 6: demo to Jam and Jam has this term they call
Speaker 6: it drive off the Road music.
Speaker 1: So he heard my stuff called and was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this is drive off the road music.
Speaker 9: Terry get get his brother to get his brother to Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So now I'm out there and it's you know, new
Speaker 6: journey man, whole new and how old are you with
Speaker 6: this time?
Speaker 9: I'm he's twelve going on thirteen because I turned fifteen.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, so this.
Speaker 5: Is a young fellow.
Speaker 7: But you know this, this was a crazy thing.
Speaker 9: So you know, I fly out there to go start
Speaker 9: working on my solo record, and you know, you get
Speaker 9: the tours, Like Sounds of Blackness is rehearsing in the back,
Speaker 9: make conditions, coming in and out, just kind of checking
Speaker 9: on things. Steve Hodge, who make all of Jimmy and
Speaker 9: Terry stuff, just agreed to move out to Minneapolis to
Speaker 9: just mix in house. So I'm like, it's the fact
Speaker 9: that this is everybody that that I love, and you know,
Speaker 9: Johnny Gills on his way up, and I'm like, wow, okay.
Speaker 7: I had no fear.
Speaker 9: But it was like, you know, you think you're ready
Speaker 9: sometimes you know, like oh I got it, I got it,
Speaker 9: and a lot of times you aren't. And I think
Speaker 9: just the pressure that my pops always put on me,
Speaker 9: I just didn't have no fear. And it's like cool,
Speaker 9: it was part time. You gotta you gotta show up,
Speaker 9: fold or focus, and.
Speaker 6: It was a different creative machine at fly Time. It
Speaker 6: was there was no looping or anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, you came in there. They said the way
Speaker 1: we make records, you play from top to bottom.
Speaker 6: You play from time, you play from top to bottom,
Speaker 6: and you play from top to bottom. And Terry had this,
Speaker 6: he had this thing where it's like no song should
Speaker 6: sound the same way it ends.
Speaker 3: So his his thing was always dynamics.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, and a lot of people don't realize,
Speaker 6: like when you listen to the Jam and Lewis records,
Speaker 6: when you hear those.
Speaker 1: Turnarounds on the drums and stuff, that's.
Speaker 6: All Jam doing it live. You know all that stuff. Man,
Speaker 6: it's like top to body.
Speaker 3: That was at school.
Speaker 6: Do your passive keys, to do your passive base, top
Speaker 6: to bomb, you do your turnaround drum fields.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was all talked about it. And the thing
Speaker 9: that they loved was I was self contained. So they
Speaker 9: were like stick Bobby and the studio see and I
Speaker 9: cooked and everything I would cook. It was like Okay,
Speaker 9: Terry come in, he'd write, and you know, I was
Speaker 9: getting coached vocally from you know, the guy and Terry.
Speaker 1: Would spend like two hours on one line. That's how
Speaker 1: yeah he was.
Speaker 9: He was relentless, you know, you do like a master's
Speaker 9: and a slave real and you had twenty four tracks
Speaker 9: to just do all these vocals and keep four and
Speaker 9: comp So after that it was like it was like, hey,
Speaker 9: we got a remix for more money soundtrack, you want
Speaker 9: to do it? I was like yeah, cool, And it
Speaker 9: was just we were and out on top of work
Speaker 9: in the record. So when I started doing that, I
Speaker 9: was like, tee, my brother, we got some crazy joints
Speaker 9: on him. So I gave it to jam and you
Speaker 9: know that happened. So everything started progressing at that time
Speaker 9: quick too, very fast.
Speaker 5: So is your dad with you?
Speaker 1: With me?
Speaker 7: And you know it?
Speaker 9: Terry for me was incredible because I started living with
Speaker 9: Terry and he saw the friction. And Terry knew Crazy
Speaker 9: and he knew Karate, like he knew how that ship worked.
Speaker 9: And he was like, Pops, man, go cool. I would
Speaker 9: go see a movie. I got this all right, and
Speaker 9: what are you gonna tell?
Speaker 3: Terry?
Speaker 6: And you know, and you know that was the thing, right,
Speaker 6: he became the buffer. But he also understood my dad's
Speaker 6: component and he respected it.
Speaker 1: Like and Terry would always say, like, you know, all
Speaker 1: always respected Dad because I get.
Speaker 3: It, you know.
Speaker 6: But you know, and I think when I got signed
Speaker 6: my joint end up coming out before Bobs and you know,
Speaker 6: now I'm running at the Gavin convention all that stuff.
Speaker 6: When that was around in the bay. You know, we
Speaker 6: put out the record. Next thing I know, Pete Rock's
Speaker 6: doing a remix.
Speaker 1: So it was like and.
Speaker 7: Crack, yeah it was.
Speaker 9: And I think that's what made the relationship, you know,
Speaker 9: incredible with Terry because you know, I say this for
Speaker 9: anybody like I want you to know my truth.
Speaker 7: My shit was nasty. You know.
Speaker 9: My first picture was I had a cast on with
Speaker 9: Janet Jackson and jam and Lewis. My dad was crazy, right,
Speaker 9: So when I'm in the studio and I can't really
Speaker 9: write like I want to write that birth big gym.
Speaker 7: Right mm, because I couldn't get in.
Speaker 9: I couldn't do everything I wanted to do until my
Speaker 9: hand held because of Pops. So that birth big Jim
Speaker 9: as a songwriter producer, which ultimately went to I get
Speaker 9: so lonely that a lot of Adams opened my heart.
Speaker 9: So that opened up a door for him in the camp.
Speaker 9: So that's how crazy it was. And having Terry in
Speaker 9: our lives was like, that's how you know important it was.
Speaker 8: Because I was already part of the writing and producing team.
Speaker 7: No, I was just I was.
Speaker 6: So you know, and then my joint started taking off
Speaker 6: and then out of nowhere, man, it came crumbling down
Speaker 6: because of my pops. You know, my apostles yelling at
Speaker 6: people at perspective and they just saw it, as you know,
Speaker 6: it was just a hindrance to to moving things forward.
Speaker 1: And he's working on his album there and so.
Speaker 8: It's one of my guys always tells my brother problem
Speaker 8: always tells me said, sometimes the juice is not worth
Speaker 8: the squeeze.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 7: Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 6: And honestly, man, that's a great way to put it,
Speaker 6: because that's exactly how it felt to me when it
Speaker 6: just came to a halt. I just said, okay, let
Speaker 6: me go on and let me let me take my
Speaker 6: ass to high school.
Speaker 1: Let me be around some folks.
Speaker 3: Let me you still that young?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I went to I went to ten.
Speaker 3: Great.
Speaker 1: It's when I went back to.
Speaker 3: School in Minneapolis.
Speaker 1: Back here in Cally came back. Yeah, yeah, to stop.
Speaker 6: I was cool, man, And even at that time, I
Speaker 6: started to look at things with a different, different perspective.
Speaker 6: When it came to music in our family, I said, okay,
Speaker 6: we're paying the cost now to love this thing called music,
Speaker 6: because it's taking a toll on the family.
Speaker 1: And I had no appetite for it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 6: I went back to school, Bob stayed a mini and
Speaker 6: Bob was faced with an ultimatum. Hey, Bob, it's either
Speaker 6: you're gonna stay here on perspective, or you go wrong
Speaker 6: with your pops.
Speaker 1: That's how That's how much it was.
Speaker 7: It was crazy.
Speaker 9: I mean when Norman Winters, who likes synonymous as a
Speaker 9: publicist for Off the Wall, and Elton John You were
Speaker 9: in it too, it was like, you know, they had
Speaker 9: to fly me out by myself and so I'll never
Speaker 9: forget it. I was in the car with Terry and
Speaker 9: into the studio and he was like, hey, Bob, I
Speaker 9: know this is tough and I know it's crazy, but
Speaker 9: I can't deal with Pops right now, and you're going
Speaker 9: to have to figure out what you want to do.
Speaker 9: And he said, artists come and go and they have
Speaker 9: their time, but the ability you have it is like
Speaker 9: me and jam and it's even better because it's all you.
Speaker 9: You can have a career as a songwriter and a
Speaker 9: producer and a musician and write for others. And I
Speaker 9: knew what he was telling me. When I go back home,
Speaker 9: it's a no win for me because if I stay,
Speaker 9: it's got to be without him, and if I don't,
Speaker 9: it's without it's with him still. And it's like it's tough, right,
Speaker 9: It was really tough, So you know.
Speaker 7: I made the decision.
Speaker 9: I was like at this time, six sixteen going on seventeen,
Speaker 9: and I was like, and like Terry said, you got
Speaker 9: to live there, boy, you gotta live there, so you
Speaker 9: gotta you have to be happy too, in whatever way
Speaker 9: that means to you.
Speaker 7: So I was like, well, I'm off for perspective.
Speaker 3: Then came home. Came home.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so done and back to square one. Fellas that
Speaker 6: I just got.
Speaker 9: That climate, back to scoring, back up again, back to
Speaker 9: square one.
Speaker 7: Man, Yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: Do you go back to school, you go do the
Speaker 5: same thing too.
Speaker 6: He stayed, He stayed on. It was independent studies. He graduated,
Speaker 6: but stayed back in the.
Speaker 7: Garage, cooking, cooking.
Speaker 6: Man, I'm at high school, and you know, I'm getting
Speaker 6: ready to finish high school.
Speaker 1: Man, I go get me a job. I work at
Speaker 1: best Buy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, TV get a couple of a couple of
Speaker 3: what was it.
Speaker 7: I wasn't everybody?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, we sold the hell at warranties. You know,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 6: So so, And that's you know, that's the thing, because we're.
Speaker 1: Talking all walks of life, what we've experienced. You know,
Speaker 1: it was, you know, the road the road of like
Speaker 1: poke your chest out.
Speaker 6: That's only been alive for us for like fifteen years,
Speaker 6: but the journey's been thirty years.
Speaker 9: Right, So, and I think to just the being in
Speaker 9: the game, because we even didn't talk about like while
Speaker 9: I was cooking for him, I was, uh cooking for
Speaker 9: he started with me, Skilo. I wish it was a
Speaker 9: little bit tallerant I produced him like back when I
Speaker 9: was forty managed him, but that manage him. There was
Speaker 9: a girl Dominique. So I was like the guy like
Speaker 9: I was like Teddy Boyd. I was like cooking for everybody.
Speaker 9: So I had this, like all of this in me,
Speaker 9: and I'm going from deal to deal. It's like you
Speaker 9: kind of you're getting tossed around everywhere. And the older
Speaker 9: I got, you know, I was I was a guy
Speaker 9: that always liked information. I love to learn, so I
Speaker 9: would talk to executives. I would talk to guys around
Speaker 9: me who've been in the game, you know, trying to
Speaker 9: figure out business plans because man, I think I might
Speaker 9: need to do something by myself. And you know, my
Speaker 9: dad was relentless, and so he was like, we got
Speaker 9: to do another record, because when you're out, when you're
Speaker 9: the window moves, if you're not in it, you got
Speaker 9: to hurry up because they forget who you are.
Speaker 7: So we put a record out.
Speaker 9: I did a remake of al Greens Let's Say Together,
Speaker 9: and we put it out independently, and we got a
Speaker 9: lot of love. Baker boys at the time were hot
Speaker 9: and power went those sins and those were our guys.
Speaker 9: So they got that record to number one. So I'm
Speaker 9: back in the Chi lit circuit or the burrito circuit.
Speaker 9: I'm like primetime now sometimes probably just I'm opening up
Speaker 9: for the same guys, you know, the Tony's and everybody
Speaker 9: you know.
Speaker 7: And at one point, man, it was like.
Speaker 9: I can't, I can't do this, Like I'm not loving it,
Speaker 9: but I still love it that I got to be alone.
Speaker 9: And we had somebody in the family that was like, man,
Speaker 9: you got to get out of here. You got to
Speaker 9: get out out of your house. You gotta there. There's
Speaker 9: God got something for you different, And man, God put
Speaker 9: some great people around me. I ended up living with
Speaker 9: a friend of ours who was actually kind of working
Speaker 9: with us at the time in music with my dad,
Speaker 9: and that same guy, Norman Winters, called him and I said, hey, man,
Speaker 9: I would love to talk to you.
Speaker 7: Come to the office.
Speaker 9: And it just because I had nothing at that point,
Speaker 9: I was I had nine thousand dollars and I'm eighteen,
Speaker 9: and I left the house with no bitter heart. But
Speaker 9: just the one thing that I loved the most more
Speaker 9: than myself was music. So I gotta keep going for it,
Speaker 9: not to be popular, just to have a career and
Speaker 9: do what I love to do. So I had the
Speaker 9: mindset of like, well, go get the information. And Norman
Speaker 9: Winter's showed me a whole nother life of marketing, show
Speaker 9: me a whole another life of branding, and I was like,
Speaker 9: this is why these record companies didn't get it. And
Speaker 9: he told me I couldn't work with your manager and
Speaker 9: your father, and that's what prohibited me to continue. Say
Speaker 9: you have that thing, and I know you have that
Speaker 9: thing because I found Elton John and they took Elton
Speaker 9: John from me, and I'm going to help you. So, man,
Speaker 9: I'm in this different world now at this point, and
Speaker 9: I'm trying to rebuild. I'm learning corporation talk, come learning
Speaker 9: how to get structure and all of these states plans,
Speaker 9: how to put business plans together, trying to learn every
Speaker 9: facet of the game the way that I had been
Speaker 9: learning it as a musician. I'm just trying to understand
Speaker 9: what the business is like, because the easiest part, we
Speaker 9: always say is making the music. It's the easiest part.
Speaker 9: It's when you have to hand that craft of that
Speaker 9: baby over.
Speaker 3: Yah.
Speaker 1: Where does it go from there?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, everybody goes, oh, I got to hit. No you don't.
Speaker 9: They're going to tell you what you what you really have,
Speaker 9: you know. So I went on that journey and it
Speaker 9: was tough. Man, it was alone.
Speaker 6: And then I finally left the crib.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he left the crib.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, bro, let's let's go, you know.
Speaker 9: Let's start it up again. So then at that point
Speaker 9: it became I'm not going to be an artist. I'm
Speaker 9: gonna be that guy that Terry Lewis told me in
Speaker 9: that truck.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you a question.
Speaker 4: As you're deciding to leave the house in both situations,
Speaker 4: is that a conversation with your father?
Speaker 6: Like, no, they're actually through fallouts like we were. Actually
Speaker 6: I remember it Claire's day. The day he left, we
Speaker 6: literally got done.
Speaker 1: We were doing.
Speaker 6: Grand Night at Disneyland. We were the band for Grand
Speaker 6: nighte Wow.
Speaker 3: With this group.
Speaker 1: With the group we started DW three, DW three we started.
Speaker 6: So I'm literally leaving high school, like my dad's school,
Speaker 6: go do the gig, get home at like five am,
Speaker 6: go back to school the next day, Like that's the
Speaker 6: grind it was. And so I think it was on
Speaker 6: our last gig at Disneyland, we were in the car
Speaker 6: with my pops. Pops driving us home and Bobby was like,
Speaker 6: I'm done, I'm leaving, and man, that was the longest
Speaker 6: ride home.
Speaker 9: It's not too far from at you could get there
Speaker 9: back home with like thirty minutes.
Speaker 7: And it was like time stopped.
Speaker 6: Man, how could you betray me that at all? This
Speaker 6: I put years? I mean, it was that classic oh shit,
Speaker 6: the lid just blew.
Speaker 3: Out, right, So did you do this to me? After
Speaker 3: all week?
Speaker 6: And that was the start of his exit and mine
Speaker 6: came shortly after. I would come home and I just
Speaker 6: hear my dad cursing my brother, like your brother's never
Speaker 6: And one day I just couldn't take it. And one
Speaker 6: I was like, man, how long are you going to
Speaker 6: talk about your son that way?
Speaker 3: Like get over it, man, move on.
Speaker 6: And I couldn't take it no more. And I had
Speaker 6: my blowout with him and I was like, bro, come
Speaker 6: pick me up.
Speaker 1: I'm out.
Speaker 6: Wow, And you know, just I couldn't take it anymore, man,
Speaker 6: you know, it was it became poison.
Speaker 1: It became my dad was bitter.
Speaker 6: My dad was, you know, telling people that you know,
Speaker 6: oh yeah, he left me with nothing, and you know,
Speaker 6: just the classic story, you know, and I'll never forget
Speaker 6: being on the phone with my pops at some point
Speaker 6: after that and him telling me, you know, yeah, whatever
Speaker 6: whatever you brought, whatever you and your brother.
Speaker 1: Think you're gonna do, you're gonna fail without me. Just watch,
Speaker 1: just watch. And so you know, that became, you know,
Speaker 1: feel you know.
Speaker 6: And what's crazy because we haven't we haven't said yet,
Speaker 6: but we're so close with our mom.
Speaker 1: Our mom is like our rock to everything. And so
Speaker 1: because of the TERMO with my pops, I remember not.
Speaker 6: Even coming around for at least a year or two
Speaker 6: because of my dad, and so for us to not
Speaker 6: see our mom like was crazy, you know, And I
Speaker 6: mean it was the air was stick for I want
Speaker 6: to say at least four to five years where we
Speaker 6: just couldn't we couldn't do it, you know, I couldn't
Speaker 6: do it, couldn't be around him, didn't want to see him,
Speaker 6: didn't want to hear from him. And you know it's like, well,
Speaker 6: you know, we can't use that as an excuse.
Speaker 1: We got to get out here.
Speaker 3: And and get it in the trench.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't get it in it. And you know, I graduate.
Speaker 6: Once I graduated, I was doing these side gigs with
Speaker 6: an engineer. We had met during some of my sessions
Speaker 6: and his name was D Style, and D Style was
Speaker 6: working with a with a you know, a new artist
Speaker 6: at the time who was Macy Gray, and.
Speaker 1: He would bring me in.
Speaker 6: He would bring me in to do drums, you know,
Speaker 6: so I bring I have my little this kid that
Speaker 6: I still have had it since I was five year old,
Speaker 6: five years old, but it had a spirit on it, right.
Speaker 1: It was all beat up, raggedy. I used to take
Speaker 1: it apart.
Speaker 6: I used to try to get to sound like James
Speaker 6: Brown's drummer, and it just had a spirit. So D
Speaker 6: loved the way it sounded, and he loved that I
Speaker 6: played hip hop grooves. So he'd bring me in and
Speaker 6: I start doing these sessions for Macy, and one thing
Speaker 6: led to another.
Speaker 3: She was like, you need to come out on the
Speaker 3: road with me.
Speaker 6: And I was like, shit, I'm broke, let's go. You know,
Speaker 6: we had just got our apartments. I was like, bro, are.
Speaker 5: Y'all still in the i Ea of the Yak We're still.
Speaker 9: Yeah, because we the premise of being in the ie
Speaker 9: was I'm never going to lose myself in LA. This
Speaker 9: is too crazy, right, and and you know, Prince thought
Speaker 9: the same way about about Minneapolis. Why live in Minneapolis?
Speaker 9: And he would say, to keep all the band people away,
Speaker 9: you know. And that was the concept, to just protect.
Speaker 7: Who you are.
Speaker 9: It's home front, you know, you know, on all front.
Speaker 9: So we did everything in the IE. We built studios
Speaker 9: out there. Our partner our new partners were would come.
Speaker 12: From the I E.
Speaker 1: I graduated from.
Speaker 9: You know, I think it was like, let's protect us
Speaker 9: here and then we'll go out to the world.
Speaker 8: So y'all y'all doing all this from from from the
Speaker 8: Internet empire, all of it, And yeah, are you at
Speaker 8: this point just completely focusing on writing and producing?
Speaker 1: We're focusing on We're focusing on it all.
Speaker 7: Yeah, how can we get where can we get a check?
Speaker 1: Where can we get a check? Partnerships, opportunities, music songs
Speaker 1: probably Okay.
Speaker 9: So Is had went out with Mason Gray at that time.
Speaker 9: I had I was still on my you know, I
Speaker 9: had We had met Ice Teeth through a friend of ours,
Speaker 9: and so I ended up doing records for like, you know,
Speaker 9: for him, Spice One, the Loonies.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, you had the alcoholics.
Speaker 3: J Ross point, what are y'all charging a track man? Whatever?
Speaker 9: We can get you know what, twenty five hundred five
Speaker 9: thousand we made it.
Speaker 5: But you say almost like maybe you'll give it.
Speaker 3: To Yeah, yeah, how much you want exactly?
Speaker 9: Yes, exactly, And you know we hear the deals like,
Speaker 9: oh man, we got we got two hundred for this.
Speaker 9: I'd be like, damn, like really right because now you know,
Speaker 9: I'm understanding bills are always on time, and now they're
Speaker 9: like and now there is bills. So it gets a
Speaker 9: gig and it's like, hey, bro go do your thing.
Speaker 1: This is the first time we're about to be apart
Speaker 1: apart like that.
Speaker 3: So you're eighteen about to play drums around the.
Speaker 5: World because global world.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 1: And for me it was like my first tour as
Speaker 1: a drummer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, having a tech, you know, because she
Speaker 6: had all the white folks, so she was she was different.
Speaker 6: It was you had a guy come up to you, sir, sir,
Speaker 6: how do.
Speaker 7: You want your basic on your tech.
Speaker 3: For you?
Speaker 1: We'll get you.
Speaker 3: I'll let you know when it's all together. The yeah.
Speaker 1: And here's what's crazy.
Speaker 3: It was crazy about that.
Speaker 6: For some strange reason, prior to that opportunity, I had
Speaker 6: just got cases for all my I had a red
Speaker 6: Yamaha kid. So I had just got cases, and so
Speaker 6: my thing was like, okay, you know, if I get some.
Speaker 1: Drum work, studio work, like that's bread for us.
Speaker 6: You know, we just you know, we're pre smelling things, right,
Speaker 6: So you know I got that opportunity and that really
Speaker 6: being around the road, you know, I had, I had
Speaker 6: an NPC three thousand with me, and so I started
Speaker 6: this regiment. Every city I went to, I'd go to
Speaker 6: the local record store and I'd bring back vine back.
Speaker 3: Then, yeah, you ain't got a chance.
Speaker 9: What one?
Speaker 7: Top five?
Speaker 3: Your top five?
Speaker 1: Yes, top five?
Speaker 3: Your top five? Oh the singer.
Speaker 5: Boun this be so.
Speaker 10: Brown that yow be love bron Then this my brother.
Speaker 1: Shop joke, go your.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, who's in your top?
Speaker 3: Your time?
Speaker 9: Okay, you got sexy?
Speaker 4: Then ye.
Speaker 7: Give it up.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's easy for us, man. So let's see, are
Speaker 4: you guys gonna breaking and because.
Speaker 1: We're like minded, man, you know we okay, you read
Speaker 1: the same thing.
Speaker 3: Here we go, Here we go.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna say five off top five.
Speaker 8: Marve singers said you kick it off, Marvin kicking it
Speaker 8: off Marvin and Stevie.
Speaker 3: Has Jesus Christ aggressive.
Speaker 9: I gotta go with Donnie Hathaway m hmm and Felippe win.
Speaker 4: Yo.
Speaker 5: Now you gotta split one now Yeah, what's the sign means.
Speaker 7: Bobby Carwell, ah.
Speaker 3: Amazing.
Speaker 4: What a voice, what a voice?
Speaker 3: How long timeless.
Speaker 9: And just how he moved with the chorus. Oh man,
Speaker 9: you know, what you Won't Do for Love was written
Speaker 9: for Earth with a Fire and they turned it down.
Speaker 7: Immediately, right.
Speaker 3: And what you're hearing is.
Speaker 1: The actual that's the demo.
Speaker 9: It's the demo.
Speaker 5: He just gave me chills singing what you Won't Do
Speaker 5: for Love?
Speaker 4: Wow, m h We don't hear them all. That's the
Speaker 4: one thing we got to talk about at some point.
Speaker 4: We don't hear them all. Okay, Top five R and B.
Speaker 1: Songs Send one your love? Mhm, send one your love
Speaker 1: when doves cry?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 9: He shoot, yeah, he can't load. Yeah, the cheek codes
Speaker 9: in his glasses.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, y'all was first in text.
Speaker 3: What's going across his RB song?
Speaker 7: So I gotta you know for all we know?
Speaker 8: Mm hmm.
Speaker 7: Donny Hathaway, I love.
Speaker 5: That patience on that record.
Speaker 9: Yeah, just to be subtle on it. And I'd say
Speaker 9: the second song.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 9: Got answer my pants and I needed dance. James Brown,
Speaker 9: he wanted he was a James Brown. I'll take the
Speaker 9: fifth one. Hm, what's going on?
Speaker 5: Ain't no argument here, classic song.
Speaker 6: And here's what's when when you get into our cars.
Speaker 6: That's exactly what we listened to. Yeah, day in and
Speaker 6: day out.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, knee deep deep James Taylor, you.
Speaker 3: Gotta stay connected to that. You have it in your.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I would run another day to Mint Condition, Mint Factory.
Speaker 4: Oh man, I just I just had to have it.
Speaker 4: I had to get it in my body, just for
Speaker 4: a second when I hear so fine, you know what
Speaker 4: what is wrong?
Speaker 9: I flew to Vegas last week, Right last week, I
Speaker 9: got a Ricky for my condition. Uh taged me on
Speaker 9: a post and I forgot to tell y'all this. But
Speaker 9: when it wasn't on for me, the fellas who really
Speaker 9: took care of me and were going to make me
Speaker 9: part of their production company and the artists, it was
Speaker 9: make condition. And the love that we have for each
Speaker 9: other and that relationship is it's like at the Crazy Bond.
Speaker 9: And they gave me the strength to keep going. And
Speaker 9: those brothers right there, not only are they so bad,
Speaker 9: amazing guys. Ye as you say that, it's like Man
Speaker 9: and Ricky, Jeff and Larry Man.
Speaker 3: Those study material for me. Kerry Lewis Man so fon material.
Speaker 4: Yes, all right, here we go making your perfect R
Speaker 4: and B singer, the one you're going to sign and
Speaker 4: sell one hundred million records with. Okay, called this the
Speaker 4: R and B voltron h. We want to know who
Speaker 4: you're going to get the vocal from for that artist,
Speaker 4: the performing style for that artist, the styling for that artist,
Speaker 4: and the heart of that artist, the passion. Who are
Speaker 4: you grabbing the vocal from for your artists. You can collaborate,
Speaker 4: you can talk about it.
Speaker 3: You need to.
Speaker 9: I would get I would get I would get a
Speaker 9: cop I would say Bobby. I would say Elder Barge.
Speaker 9: I would get Elder Barge for just the passion and
Speaker 9: the nuance, the vocal starting the vocal, just the vocal,
Speaker 9: oh vocal.
Speaker 6: See I have and I have to think relevancy to
Speaker 6: write how that vocal fits in relevancy too, because that's
Speaker 6: part of our pedigree, his cloth, the DNA of where
Speaker 6: we're from, but also making sure that we're in the
Speaker 6: right frequency.
Speaker 5: You can tell some people that got hit records, they
Speaker 5: start thinking of.
Speaker 3: Formulas on the radio.
Speaker 12: Formulas, Uh, vocally, Marvin Gaye, I rock with you on that.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Gotta perform like Michael though.
Speaker 3: Performance styles, So you canna give Marvin's voice and then
Speaker 3: perform style that would be unreal.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then what's the next You got to be
Speaker 6: able to play answer the styling.
Speaker 7: Oh, the styling of the artists.
Speaker 3: Look like we're gonna drip.
Speaker 7: Like that's gonna sound a little crazy.
Speaker 9: But you put that combination with with like a Rick James.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I like that's.
Speaker 3: What you all night.
Speaker 4: Might show up in a leather We're in the game
Speaker 4: home last night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you wouldn't even talk to me.
Speaker 1: We're crafting the superstar. So, yeah, a super superstar.
Speaker 3: People don't give Rick his flowers. Man was a powerhouse.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 13: Oh Man, the monster musician, musician, the dread the lady.
Speaker 5: And he could write a song and he's gonna write
Speaker 5: and produce it.
Speaker 3: And he was disrespect and yeah, he was disruptive on.
Speaker 4: Habitual line step Okay, all right. The passion of the artist,
Speaker 4: the heart of the artists. You kind of alluded to
Speaker 4: it before, but I don't know if you want to
Speaker 4: change that.
Speaker 1: It's got to be Prince m Yeah, all or nothing.
Speaker 4: I was just telling stories about that kind of off camera,
Speaker 4: about how competitive, how much he had.
Speaker 3: Fear, fierce, fierce he was.
Speaker 7: He was music at all costs.
Speaker 1: It's all the costs, man.
Speaker 9: I have stuff in that and the vault that I
Speaker 9: got from him, like music that you won't you never hear. O. God,
Speaker 9: how he did the walk, like just with Morris playing
Speaker 9: the drums and him playing the bass trying to figure
Speaker 9: out that BA like he was it. Yeah, and he
Speaker 9: did everything with the time.
Speaker 7: It was all him.
Speaker 9: It was him and him and Morris play. Wasn't Jimmy, Monty,
Speaker 9: none of them. It's all Prince.
Speaker 3: She's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, man, y'all hey listen man, levels y'all, y'all sick,
Speaker 4: y'all are sick.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 8: We're not done though, y Yeah, we're gonna split these
Speaker 8: up to two stores stores.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, twinkle fingers, I ain't saying no name.
Speaker 5: Very important segment of the show talking about it.
Speaker 14: Yeah all right, Well, and we're gonna we're gonna split
Speaker 14: it up a Bobby version and an Easy version because
Speaker 14: both of y'all have had long journeys and travels in this.
Speaker 8: Thing that we call music. And uh, the name of
Speaker 8: the topic and the segment in the game is I
Speaker 8: ain't saying no names. So your story funny, are fucked up?
Speaker 5: Are funny and fucked up.
Speaker 1: Mine's funny and fucked up perfect.
Speaker 8: So we're gonna go first with easys.
Speaker 5: I ain't saying no names.
Speaker 1: You didn't hear from me.
Speaker 7: I didn't say nothing.
Speaker 1: Here's the key to my story. Campbell suits, good food.
Speaker 1: You ready?
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, we're in the studio working with an artists
Speaker 6: doing a couple of records. Hey man, my friend just
Speaker 6: came through. Man, it's a cool if he comes up.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, bring him up. We're vibing, we're chilling.
Speaker 6: We got all the we got all the gear in
Speaker 6: the in the room, so we kind of have it
Speaker 6: set up like we can jam at any given moment. Me, Bob, Terry,
Speaker 6: be Jim, No, no, no, they're cool, they're cool. Okay,
Speaker 6: they're cool, they're they're safe, safe, all right, cool man,
Speaker 6: We're five minutes, all good.
Speaker 1: Bring him up, comes on up. We're like, oh what's up?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 5: Are hey man?
Speaker 6: You know, we're just sitting here vibing. Man, all right,
Speaker 6: cool man, Hey, hey, Bob, play something.
Speaker 7: He is.
Speaker 3: A man.
Speaker 1: Come in here and sing something. Man, come sing.
Speaker 6: My stomach hurts. Your stomach hurts, but you can sing. Man,
Speaker 6: Come on, man, come vibe with us. I don't feel
Speaker 6: good tummy.
Speaker 1: For real. Man, Bob, get up while you under there laughing,
Speaker 1: Get up, man. They over Bobby and Terry Lewis over
Speaker 1: there are just busting a ball and we're like, yo,
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna jump in here and just sing.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: It's all We're all vibe and it's freaking.
Speaker 3: My tummy hurts.
Speaker 1: Hey, man, if you knew who it was, If you
Speaker 1: knew who it was, remember the key to my story,
Speaker 1: campbell Soup's good food.
Speaker 5: So do you think they were scared to see?
Speaker 6: I don't know what it was. I don't know if
Speaker 6: when something is tummy or he just didn't want to say.
Speaker 1: But it was weird and soft. Just and just think
Speaker 1: how I'm I'm acting it up.
Speaker 3: It's weird and so listen to me. Listen, m M.
Speaker 3: That's enough, yo.
Speaker 6: But what what was even crazier was my brothers literally
Speaker 6: on the floor under the console, dying and Terry's.
Speaker 9: Like, he's atom stop, stop, get up, can't I can't mean.
Speaker 4: There's a few reasons, you know, I'm not going entertained
Speaker 4: because he's.
Speaker 1: To be We were hype.
Speaker 6: We're like, oh this boy could blown come fine with us.
Speaker 4: So yeah, we were you know, eight jokes ready right,
Speaker 4: get out of there.
Speaker 3: Okay, Bobby, I ain't saying no name.
Speaker 7: Uh yeah.
Speaker 9: This one was very eye opening. So we're in the
Speaker 9: studio to me is and it's Terry and Jimmy, and.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 9: A very monumental moment because there's a guy who had
Speaker 9: this record that was amazing, it was killing, And so
Speaker 9: we found out he was on his way to the studio.
Speaker 7: So he comes by.
Speaker 9: And Jimmy and Terry take him to the back one
Speaker 9: of the back studios that we had had a conversation
Speaker 9: with him.
Speaker 7: He had a number one record booming and.
Speaker 9: One of our favorites, one of a lot of people's favorites.
Speaker 9: And Jimmy Terry give him like the h that talk.
Speaker 9: They sign him, I'll tell you what to do or
Speaker 9: not to do, and they have that conversation. They come
Speaker 9: out of the room, he says it's goodbyes, and they
Speaker 9: said I don't think we're ever going to see him again.
Speaker 9: And I said, really, no, we've seen a lot come
Speaker 9: and a lot go.
Speaker 7: They ain't gonna hear from.
Speaker 9: Him, and we ain't heard from ever since.
Speaker 5: What they do to that boy in that room.
Speaker 9: Man, they gave him a dose, and we ain't never
Speaker 9: heard from the real And they were right. So when
Speaker 9: a wise man tells you, I've seen them come and
Speaker 9: I've seen them go. And when they say, oh, he's great, no,
Speaker 9: greatness is always defined over period of time. They gave
Speaker 9: him the crown too quick, and guys who have been
Speaker 9: able to do it over and over and over and
Speaker 9: over again knew it.
Speaker 7: Blew my mind. I paid attention even more.
Speaker 3: Wow, I gotta know who that is.
Speaker 5: We never asked a guest who it is. Don't worry, guys,
Speaker 5: you have is gonna be.
Speaker 3: In my d m.
Speaker 1: Who wasn't man who's telling me her?
Speaker 7: He was gonna tell me?
Speaker 8: I don't leave me alone.
Speaker 3: Listen, bro, y'all are man, y'all are history. Man.
Speaker 4: You guys, you guys, and you've done it over and
Speaker 4: over again over and you keep doing it.
Speaker 3: Ship. Shout out to your longevity. Shout out to.
Speaker 4: Just maintaining yourselves, maintaining your mental health.
Speaker 3: Your physical health.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely throughout this journey, man, And and thank you
Speaker 4: for this love, man, And.
Speaker 6: On some realty, like, man, what you guys have put
Speaker 6: together here, just the experience of what it means for
Speaker 6: guys like us to just come chop it up and
Speaker 6: share stories, and just the camaraderie of what this is
Speaker 6: because at the end of the day, man, like we
Speaker 6: needed this years ago where we could just come break
Speaker 6: bread and chop it up as human beings.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 6: And you know a lot of times the game has
Speaker 6: kept us so separated, you know, and.
Speaker 5: There's no governing body.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so, and we've been such fan of yours
Speaker 6: for a long time. I don't know how we've never
Speaker 6: even been able to leave with and just create and
Speaker 6: build together with you.
Speaker 1: That's all he cares about that.
Speaker 6: And I'm gonna tell you, you know, the reason why you
Speaker 6: guys mean a lot to us is because you guys
Speaker 6: are from the same cloth we're from. You know, the
Speaker 6: expectation of what excellence represents.
Speaker 1: That's all we've ever tried to do throughout our journey.
Speaker 6: And more importantly, because you know, we're doing something that
Speaker 6: based on our skin color, we shouldn't really be able
Speaker 6: to do as well as we do it. But what
Speaker 6: keeps us going is that the kids that look like
Speaker 6: us get to now think beyond what those limitations are,
Speaker 6: you know, and you know, to be embraced by you
Speaker 6: guys and your culture the way we have is a
Speaker 6: blessing and even though we've had to earn it and
Speaker 6: fight for it, but that's rightfully. So, you know, you
Speaker 6: guys are a master of what this this beautiful body
Speaker 6: of music that you guys have created throughout the years
Speaker 6: that we're such fans of and appreciate it and want
Speaker 6: to make sure we pay homage.
Speaker 1: And most importantly do it the right way, you know.
Speaker 6: So to be able to sit in a room with
Speaker 6: you guys, and for you guys to have always embraced
Speaker 6: us and welcome it means a lot, man, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: and we and we and because of that, we are
Speaker 6: sticklers for even our own culture that wants to embrace
Speaker 6: black music and introduce it or we're hard on them
Speaker 6: because you have to do it in such a way
Speaker 6: that's excellence, that represents excellence, you know. So thank you guys, man,
Speaker 6: you know, for making us feel a part of the family.
Speaker 5: Family.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 9: I used to look at videos we shared the same
Speaker 9: with the school tours.
Speaker 3: Yes, the early back then, back then.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and the thing is like that's what I say,
Speaker 9: Like the the ones who know, like, no, you know
Speaker 9: what I.
Speaker 7: Mean, You just you can't. You can't fake.
Speaker 9: It and make it in this thing. You either either
Speaker 9: have it or you don't. And he's still pretty Look
Speaker 9: at him, man, he's still.
Speaker 1: Still looked the same way you do, bron Like.
Speaker 9: That's how you know the game to beat him up.
Speaker 9: And you know they'll look at me like, damn, Bob,
Speaker 9: like what do you eat? What are you putting in
Speaker 9: your face?
Speaker 3: Like I have.
Speaker 1: A bald beef.
Speaker 3: Camera.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, super Bowls, well, you know you got both
Speaker 9: talks of plastic surgery.
Speaker 7: That's what I met. That's what I've got to say.
Speaker 7: It just came out. It just came.
Speaker 1: Every morning.
Speaker 9: I just have too much fun at me because I
Speaker 9: don't take myself that serious and take the art music
Speaker 9: seriously and didn't let it beat me like it could have.
Speaker 9: Now I got some battle wounds, but thank god I'm
Speaker 9: still here, like we will still here right like you know,
Speaker 9: at the end of the day, I just want him
Speaker 9: to say good like, well done, good faithful, sert man.
Speaker 7: You do what you're supposed to do with what what
Speaker 7: I gave you.
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