WEBVTT - The Avila Brothers 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:05.000 R and B Money. 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:06.120 We are. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:14.800 Thanks take Vloti. We are the authority on all things 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:19.680 R and B ladies and gentlemen. My name is Tank. 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:28.160 This mm hmm. This is the R and B Money Podcast. 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:37.000 The authority on all things R and B all all inclusive. 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:41.159 R and B is worldwide. 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:41.960 Mm hmmm. 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.440 Uh that's why they stay. They basically gotta lookt their name. 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:59.040 Man, that says today is Usher Janet see Billy Race. 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.880 It's not a kid almost blind tall, make some noise. 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:17.479 I need that audio clip after. By the way, your 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:18.640 Spanish is better than ours. 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:23.240 Bro. Listen, bro, thank you man, Thank you man. 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:28.040 We we do this in passing, but you know, to actually, 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.840 you know, get into space and sit down man and 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:32.560 have these cool conversations. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.120 This man, this is laid out off. 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:36.440 Man. 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:37.639 I feel like I'm at the crib. 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:39.040 Man. 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:42.560 I have to dress it up like I was kind 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:44.319 of rich too, was. 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:48.840 Coming what I'm saying, Yeah, Man, thank you man. We 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.000 can't thank you enough man for giving us your time. 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:53.000 Man. It's beautiful and. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.880 You we have so much ground to cover man with 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.960 you guys, it's been thirty plus years. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:05.400 Of success. Ship exactly. 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:10.080 Tomato can man. 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.720 What like where do we start, Valentine, like, what where 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:15.040 do we go? Man? 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.079 I think we I think we go to I think 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:23.960 we probably start with popstart where it starts. I mean, 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.200 man like, y'all gotta y'all gotta give us, give us, 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.200 give us the lay of the lamb. Man about how 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:34.280 this thing works and how you know, two Latin brothers 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:39.040 get into this R and B thing, and and just 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:45.320 you know, the journey and the challenges of you know 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.440 what I mean, because it's not like y'all were making 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.440 Spanish music or Latin music, or y'all was making R 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:51.200 and B music. 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:52.800 That was what was in the house. 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:55.639 Yeah, start there, we'll talk about the house. Give me 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.160 the house. You know. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.200 Pops was the interest thing with pas Man is you know, 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.760 he was a musician, played keys, and. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:07.200 You know he was he. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:09.840 Was a mediocre player, but he was the guy that 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:13.040 had the equipment, He had the gigs, he had the relationships. 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:15.520 So he knew that he can put himself and dress 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.679 himself up around great musicians because they all needed the gig, right. 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:20.760 So he was that dude. 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.560 He was like, I'm gonna be in the band. Y'all 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.359 would be great, but I'm gonna have the relationships. I'm 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:28.359 gonna have the gigs, I'm gonna have the work, and 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.280 that's what it was. And so we were always around 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.040 musicians in the crib, and you know, it was black 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.760 music twenty four to seven in our crib. There wasn't 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.200 anything else. It was earth Wind and Fire, Chaka Khan, 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.120 it was Donnie, it was every. 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:41.240 All of that. 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.640 So that's what that's what we inherited. You know that 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:47.360 that became a part of our DNA. And you know 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.240 as kids, you know, they would rehearse it in the garage, 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:51.920 and our rooms are right next to the garage, and 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.560 so like, you know, we're trying to go to Bedford 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:55.920 sleep man, we can't sleep there. 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:56.360 And there jamming. 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:58.640 So Pos would have us go in the garage and 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.760 just naturally he go sit by the keyboard player and 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:02.520 I go sit. 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.040 By the drummer. And that was like. 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.120 Kind of how it got going. For every night, Yeah, 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.800 every night them rehearsal. My dad would sneak us into 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.800 their clubs at the gig and he'd make us, he'd 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:16.520 make us get up there and play on their break. 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.520 Get your ass you'll play, you know, So you know, 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:22.680 he just he had a vision. 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:26.680 Man, he saw something that he wanted to instill in 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:30.880 us and just push at all costs, you know. And 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.279 he was crazy and he was crazy as hell, and 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.719 you know he had a man. He had an extreme 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:38.960 tough life. I mean we talk about this, you know, 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:40.839 from time to time, like the deck of cards he 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.400 was dealt. He did the best he could. It's like 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:45.960 he had the right intentions but just did it the 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.480 wrong way. But I'm forty five now and I could 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:50.240 look back and say, you know what, Pops, however you 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:55.040 did it. However you did it, You put music in 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.880 our DNA, and we can't imagine living. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:59.279 Without music in our lives, of course, you know. 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.080 So there's a call, there's a there's something to be 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.680 said about that type of iron fist that that exists 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.279 at that time, in that era, because now you see, 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.920 you see like a lack of it, and we nurture 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.159 in punks, now, you know what I'm saying. So there's 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.440 something to be said about that dynamic man. And that's 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.960 I think his heart upbringing is what allowed us to 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:21.560 weather the many storms. 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:22.720 That we were going to get ready to compass through 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:23.280 our journey. 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.960 It takes crazy, you gotta be crazy. 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.880 It takes crazy to make it in this thing. 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:33.040 It really does, man, because there is there's no truly, 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:37.680 there's no real formal anything, and we're grabbing things out 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.560 of the air that we hope that someone else likes. 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:46.840 Yes, you know, well, you know we talk about like 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.760 you can't just wake up and say I'm a doctor 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:51.000 at all. 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:52.240 You have to have a degree. 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.839 Yes, for some reason in our craft, you could just 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.200 wake up like I'm a producer. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.080 I got this laptop, my. 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:03.880 Record labels up. 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:05.800 You know, I didn't make the NFL. 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.680 It's like we talked like, you know, no, you're not 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:18.719 a producer, you know, a reducer, like learn your craft 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:21.440 and the thing is in the game, you know, the 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.839 last thing you did get you to the you know yours, 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.440 yours only as good as your last Yeah, yeah, so 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:29.520 but how to you even get there? 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:34.719 But I think to looking at you know, my dad's 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:39.279 appetite for having this vision that he had with his kids, 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:43.080 you know, and pushing especially Bob, pushing Bob to where 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.000 you know, Bob's twelve years old and you know, get 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.600 signed to RCA. You know, it's just that was through 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.320 my pops, just the way he was chiseling that rock. 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:54.760 There was no over Pops. 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.479 We just want to go outside and hang with with 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.680 the fellas, play some street football. No no, no, no, no, 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.240 that's it. Don't mean done here. You get in there 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.000 and and you practice, and you work and you work 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.200 and you work, and so you know that that's that 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:11.760 mentality is what has really throughout the years kept us 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.920 locked in and kept our eye on the prize, you know, 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:16.720 because I just you know, where were kids at? 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:18.960 Man, It's like, where were you? 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:23.400 We don't real to like location, yeah, real to California. 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:27.000 So it's like because I'm just like listening to the 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:28.800 parallel between y'all. 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:39.040 This guy like Bobby was Rome, this one was Spanish. 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:43.760 Yeah, same mentality, but had that drive and that hunger 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:45.000 in that obsession. 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:49.960 Yeah, it's like that, you know, it just drove greatness. 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:52.520 And it's like my dad had such an appetite to 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.720 be that guy. It's like I'm gonna, I'm gonna make 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.040 them do it, and I'm gonna I'm gonna live through them. 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:02.080 And that's you know, that's that generation's mentality, like at. 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.800 All costs if it don't have it for me, and 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:07.880 nothing else matters, you know, And that was the thing 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.160 I think too with him because my pops he you know, 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.520 he didn't get to have a childhood, you know, so 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.600 here we are trying to trying to help him understand 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.080 how how much we would just want to be kids 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:19.760 too sometimes. 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:20.320 And he was like no. 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.480 Closet, you know. He was relentless. 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.720 Yeah, I mean, and you know, nothing was shaken his 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.840 direction of what he had in mind for his kids. 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:35.679 You know. Yeah. 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.640 And I think to one essential component to us was 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:42.640 my dad's like best friend and he came from Andre 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:46.000 Crouching the Disciples. His name was James Felix, and he 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.520 too was Mexican and he was from our area. 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:53.160 Man, the illness Mexican was so you'll ever. 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:53.920 Hear crazy. 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:58.240 His voice and he was he was. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:02.560 A bass player for damn there, Donnie, Like wow, like 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:06.600 that heart, that vibrato, all of that that just that 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:11.040 gear and so like they were listening to Steely Dan, 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:15.560 total total bunch of fusion Weather Report. So we were 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.640 growing up to like this is another day, well done, 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:23.120 we expect you. So all of that music naturally just 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.199 came to us in our spirit. So anything we touched 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:30.200 it just was embedded in us. So you know, with 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.640 my Pops and having that guy that really got me 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:39.360 to want to explore singing, writing and producing, And for 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.360 some reason, I just connected with technology. 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.480 So I was like running sub twelve hundred. 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:45.960 We got we got videos. 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.160 We got videos of Bobby when he was like five 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:52.720 and he's literally playing like chick corea. You know that 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.480 that's how, that's how, that's how intense it was in 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.440 our household with just being around great musicians. You know, 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.000 it's like that's what we got to absorb. You know, 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.280 when you're little man, you absorb things like this. 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:06.120 For some strange. 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.760 Reason really because you don't have nothing else. 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:16.559 Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.120 It's like it's like you're you're you're an open hard 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.880 drive at that time, and you're just information is coming 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.240 in and you're I mean, Bob was like a you know, 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.440 he was a genius. You know, he was doing beta 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.960 testing videos and then you know, I mean, god is deal. 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:33.640 You know, how do you get there? 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:34.320 Right? 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.959 Like I get you know, from the family band, your 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.720 father being in the industry, and you guys being around 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:42.800 all these musicians, But how do you get to the 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:47.400 point where it's like, Okay, we've identified that we're going 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:48.880 after a deal for Bobby. 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.240 Because that's that's literally what happens, you know. 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:55.600 Yeah, I mean my dad partnered up with the guy 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.480 that he knew through my uncle, and this dude was 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.199 like synonymous with like right and we wear short shorts. 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:05.000 So my dad did a whole thing, like you know, 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.200 and he was like, Oh, we're gonna we're gonna get 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:09.040 him in a better studio. 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:10.040 We're gonna do X, Y and Z. 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:14.559 So at the time, he knew Jerome Gasper who was 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:19.199 running A and M Records, and Jerome was didn't know 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:20.920 if he was going to be there or not, but 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.280 he said, look, I'll give you guys a time in 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:27.120 Studio A and you guys know at A and M. 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:28.439 Come up with the demo. 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.800 So we did, and he ended up leaving and they 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:38.959 brought in John McClain, so A and M was not 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.400 an option. So I had this demo and it got 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.880 in the hands of Skip Miller RCA Records, who ran 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:52.160 Department Department, and then Zach Voss who ran Motown. So man, 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.800 I'm like, first of all, I didn't even know what 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.640 I was doing singing in the studio, but I you know, 0:11:57.679 --> 0:11:59.520 we and the I E we had a lot of talent, 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:00.920 so a lot of the guys that played for like 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:05.079 George Benson, Booty. There was a guy named Trey Stone 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:12.520 who was like they were all the I then yeah, 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:22.960 Sammy Hag just bang. So you know, there was like 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:28.000 there was all of these guys around, and so how 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.199 did I get here? Like Motown and this and that. 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:34.160 I was like, I was about the music. I was like, Okay, 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.800 when's the next in Sonic coming out of Wdennesday. I 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:43.640 was just into that, the technology part of it. So 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.680 next thing, you know, man, uh, I'll never forget it. 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:52.240 I went to school and they said, you know you're 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:53.720 gonna be RC Records. 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:55.000 I went to school. 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.800 My best friend asked me to walk home with him 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:03.280 with this girl, which I never do. So we we 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.840 were I'm walking with him and this dude who broke 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.400 out of prison I found out later, goes and jams 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.080 my boy up, hits me with a pistol, and he 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:13.600 broke out of prison to see this girl. 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:14.480 Who was this girl? 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:17.760 He was a he was a young boy, like y'all yeah, 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:19.319 and I'm like he was just on different type of 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.360 time on the whole to so. 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.000 I'm thinking he's got a gun. 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.560 I'm never gonna make it with my dad and my 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:31.600 mom to this, like to get introduced to RCA Records. 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.480 I'll never forget it. I don't know how I got away. 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.480 I don't even remember running. I just it was such 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.640 a daze to me. And that night we end up 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:45.160 driving to the Hilton to go meet all the executives 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:50.960 and I'll see Kumo D. And I was like, Wow, 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:52.440 that's wild Wall West, Kimo D. 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:53.360 That's how you like me? 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:57.240 Now, that's Teddy Riley And I was like a massive 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:01.160 Teddy fan. So I was like it just became fun 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.520 from that day on. Then we went to New York. 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.760 It just was like it didn't feel like anything other 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.200 than just I'm in music. I'm doing what I love 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.000 and they're making it. They're making it work for me. 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:12.800 And it was crazy. 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:14.040 That was that was like. 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:18.000 That was the real, Like, Okay, here comes this journey. 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:22.120 You know, wheel was up and yeah it started there. 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.080 Started there, and then you know, landed a tour with 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:25.960 New Kids on the Block. 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:30.280 So you got records, Yeah, yeah, you got singles out, Yeah, 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:31.080 singles out. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:31.800 You're cooking. 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:32.760 I was cooking. 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:34.880 It was cooking with some gas and you're going on 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:36.640 the road with New Kids on the Block. 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.880 The biggest group at the time. You know, I'm over 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:41.640 here working out with the dance routines I got. 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:43.320 I'm working with all the cats in the streets, like, 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.680 let's get this show right, because that's the beautiful show 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.120 my dad see that. But that was the pedigree of 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:50.480 our dad. He was like, you got to know how 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.280 to talk in interviews and when you get on that stage, 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:54.520 you got to light them up. 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.800 So all of that was just being dumped into us. 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:01.200 So you know, we had, you know, public enemy in 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.440 the streets at the time, We had special and all 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.160 the ship that was really popping and it was like, okay, 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:07.960 how do we infuse this? 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:09.040 We got to put a show together. 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:12.480 We werehearsing in the backyard, like saying, you know all 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:15.480 that classic just bringing it together and refining it. 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:15.640 Man. 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:17.320 So by the time we got on the New Kids 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.320 block of the stage a New Kids tour. 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:20.640 We was whipping asked. 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.040 I got a question though, because I know what I 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:27.160 got from your record deal. What did you get as 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:28.760 far as like you personally? 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:30.880 Yeah, yeah, that was a big body. 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:34.560 You said it right. 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:38.480 Well, when I when I was eighteen I had a 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:39.160 CD account. 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:40.840 No, no, no, let's go back to no Oka. 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:42.440 But it was. 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:47.640 Only nine thousand. So what I got was keep doing 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:49.720 what you're doing, right. 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.680 But that's that's a good question. 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.600 That's a good question though, So let's let's talk about 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:57.560 let's let's lift up the hood on that, all right. 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:01.040 So there, you know, when you got a parent who's 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:05.680 also managing, there's also a fine line between that as 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:09.840 a parent and a manager. And nobody see, nobody teaches 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.440 the game of how you're supposed to construct that cooglar. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.640 So yeah, so you just think, well, we're family, Okay, 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.760 you're growing up. I'm taking care of you. It all 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.240 just comes in and I'm gonna go get this new beamer. 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.000 Oh you need some nights, all right, let's go get 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:23.200 you some. 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:42.640 It's and possibly and got himself a beamer, like let's be. 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.680 Free because I had a record. But check this out. 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:41.800 And then the parents rebuttal is, But. 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:43.080 We went on vacations. 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.240 We you know, we we did nice things. 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:48.680 It's like okay, but yeah, like I should be building 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:52.320 up some kind of reservoir tank over here with just 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:53.240 some brand in there. 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.720 So when I get to eighteen, I could go get. 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:59.040 It anything like, because I love gear. 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:03.360 Right, So if anything he gave me, he provided one 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.280 of the studio so we got a console. You know, 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.040 I was able to just be in the lab now. 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.919 So he facilitated all that. So my thing was like, 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:13.600 I don't pay no bills or not on my on 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:15.240 my diab, I don't even know what they are. I 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.960 got clothes, I got food, and now I'm the studios 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:23.200 working and I'm working like NonStop, like Dan day out. 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.840 I'm probably spending like fifteen to seventeen hours a day wow, 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.600 and then waking up thinking about it and it's just 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:30.199 right over here. 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.040 Girl, you're not in school anymore at this point. No, 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.919 I'm from both of you homeschool now, both school. 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.640 And my pops was crazy, man, I mean he was. 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:39.960 It was toxic in the house. 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.840 And you know it's crazy crazy as crazy as crazy 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:46.480 as he was. I mean, my pops snock dudes out. 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.320 My dad is only five six. 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.920 Bro, I can see that, I understand. 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.679 But yeah, but when we were little, he was like 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:54.560 he was a giant. 0:17:55.400 --> 0:18:04.360 Yeah, listen, energy any anything under five sabbing type, right, 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:10.120 It's not a type of survival in their minds. Absolutely 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.920 like you get a little you get start getting over five. 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.080 Now you start chilling a little bit, like okay, because because. 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.920 Of your science matters under five nine. 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.320 No, no, no, no, niggas. 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:27.280 Alone, they've already calculated their disadvantage long ago. 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:28.760 So they're going they walk around. 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:29.399 What I'm sick of this. 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:32.119 I wish he would. 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:33.959 They're going for to kill early. You. 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:35.960 You ain't gonna say no to me, dangerous. 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:40.240 You can't tea size, right, so the size is like yeah, yeah, 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:44.639 here and that's his that was his wife, and he 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:47.520 figured out the way how to create his concoction and 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:48.680 pour all of that into us. 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:50.600 You know. So you. 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:52.840 New kids on the block. 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:57.359 Cheeks everywhere, guys cheeks everywhere, all of them, they all 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:58.520 love all different. 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:05.800 Man, I see my baby and my my teddies light 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:07.720 in the n PC and the s we twelve. I 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:11.160 was so I was so there, like I didn't see 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.320 anything else. So so here and here's I didn't. I 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.320 couldn't say, bro, man. 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.399 To have he had first, he had had to have it. 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:25.159 I was talking to prostitutes on Broadway in New York like, 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:26.320 and they would laugh at. 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.760 I was like, but yeah, he said, come here, what 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:33.000 you need but you know, one of the gyms that 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:35.640 my dad would always throw at us was, if you're 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.000 ever going to be distracted, it's going to be through 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:38.359 a woman. 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:41.000 Oh for sure, stay focused. 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:45.199 So the Empires built. 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:48.040 Yeah, so you know in a sense that that really 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:51.160 kept us from going astray and wild'ing out. 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:55.240 You know, we just heads down, man, you know. 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.480 In the studio instead, you know, except when you was talking. 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:04.760 To the Yeah, you know, you know what I mean. 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:07.960 You know the game we signed so many titties on 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:12.040 tour kids, how. 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:15.240 Many how many cities did you'll do that? 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:15.800 We went? 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:19.800 We ran through the states, every city and then the 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:20.400 United States. 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:22.400 It was different. 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:25.840 It was different, like, you know, record reps would have 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:29.920 me performing in nightclubs, nightclubs, and I'm like, now, I 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:31.880 think about it because you know, my son is thirteen. 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.520 H you they are trying to get some ass and 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:44.679 comes up playing a keyboard that in here. Oh that's cute, 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:47.600 and that's how they built. Oh he's brewing in Philly, 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:51.359 but he's brewing in Houston's. And they go go to 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:54.040 the record stores. You know, they're buying everything, like there's 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:54.760 some sales there. 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:57.880 I never forget being in the hood. 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:01.520 And Nike drops off boxes for us, and we had 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:04.640 like we're the only ones that had like the Nike sweatsuits, 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.080 and we had Jay's, we had the ones and two's. 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:11.240 As a kid, bro, you're saying, you know, yeah, they 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:13.000 delivered us to like, you know, you. 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:16.439 Start experiencing the New York Nelson Man as you say that, 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:18.359 Like New York Cus was one of my favorite Drakes 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.800 Man case is like crates of that stuff. 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:24.000 Oh BK is coming out again. 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:29.639 Wow, yeah, finish. 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:34.200 It's like, hey, we made it right, we made. 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:37.840 So what were the what were the challenges though? It's 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:39.280 being young. 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:42.720 Latin urban department. 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.960 Yeah, I think for Bobby at that time, it was 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:48.120 always a challenge of how do we market this kid? 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:51.679 Right, who's Mexican, who's doing black music? What is he? 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:53.399 Where does he go? Where do we put him in? 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:54.720 What's familiar? 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:57.520 So you know, it was it was that was always 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:00.520 a challenge, you know, just not knowing where to place 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:02.200 that type of talent because. 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:03.640 Even though you know, like you said, you know, y'all 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:05.200 rooted in R and B, but they put you out 0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:07.760 with new kids on the block, so they're already trying 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:10.720 to figure it out. Yeah, It's not like we figured 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:12.280 out a way to throw him, you know, get get 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:13.480 him on a new addition tour. 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:14.360 Right exactly. Yeah. 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:16.400 Yeah, they were trying to figure out that that high 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:18.919 rid because they always knew like the Latin space was 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:21.680 going to be huge, that it was untapped in r 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:22.959 c A, which I just found out. 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:25.480 I forgot they had a noodle. 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:27.400 I was about to say, you're just gonn dismonudo. 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:30.399 You know, don't be acting like didn't exist, right, I know, 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:35.080 they laid some groundwork, they laid even. 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:38.040 Them like they hadn't broken into America. 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:40.439 But here, And that was a challenge because because they 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:43.040 had laid the groundwork, it was like, well is he. 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:45.560 Comparable that do we fit them in a little bit 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:45.760 in a. 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.720 Boxing You gotta look at Bob's first album cover in 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:52.840 the back, He's literally ten keyboards around there. 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:56.119 I mean he was playing everything that like how do 0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:58.120 you how do we story. 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:02.240 You were talented. 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:03.920 Turkeys? 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:06.240 Like, oh man, we always have we have a romance. 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:08.800 I love that, dude, you know, but yeah, that like 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:12.040 those cats, So my grease came from a different space. 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:15.760 So anytime it got pop or corny, I mean, it 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.240 was like that ain't me. I'm listening to the Bomb Squad, 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:22.520 Keith In Hey shot Lead and Premiere and Pete Q Harris, 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:27.080 I'm listening to like yeah like that. So when I 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:30.359 used to and mind you, RCA had their subsidiary or 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.680 partner was Jive, So I had keris one BDP. That's 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:37.879 melody doctor, I try called quest and like I said, 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:42.240 Teddy was like you know Teddy that yeah, big with 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:45.399 Big Daddy can't called chilling marlamoar Like that was my 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:50.240 information on top of you know Prince and you know 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:52.199 the time and all of that. So I had this 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:55.720 hybrid and anytime it it got like, well, let's just 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:59.560 do this song in Spanish. I don't speak Spanish, so 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:02.000 it's like, well, let's try to do something. And at 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:04.320 that time I would see how they were trying to 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:07.439 take like Selena put her in the pop world and 0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:10.240 trying to force that, and it's like the one thing 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:13.880 about the black world is like if you aren't genuine 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:19.160 and it ain't real or authentic, hey Tomato cares, Yeah, 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:28.400 get on the other side. On the other side, we 0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:34.520 were at Mastering with Brian the Face Brian Gardner at 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:38.959 Bernie Grummings and you know, he's doing this thing and 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:43.679 he gets a phone call and it's Terry Lewis and 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:45.840 Terry's checking on a project. 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:46.480 And how old are you at this point? 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:51.399 I'm fourteen? Yeah, okay and fourteen years old. And so 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:55.399 Terry is asking Brian about what when's it gonna be done? 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:58.840 Then he hears it, He's like who's at And Brian's like, oh, 0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:01.560 this young kid, you know, mastered this other album back 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:04.760 with RCA, but he's putting out something independent and he 0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:07.520 said he doesn't have a deal. He was like, no, 0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:13.040 well let me find out. So hey, guys, uh is 0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:15.320 this independent or is there a record company? Because I 0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:17.400 don't see a record company on them on the call sheet. 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:21.520 He's like, no, it's independent. Why well, because Terry Lewis 0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:23.000 is on the phone and he likes what he hears. 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:29.080 So I was like, uh, the Terry Lewis light Time 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:35.480 Like yeah, it's like Mortimer Randalls yell. 0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:39.800 Machines on, those machines on. 0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:44.360 And man, next thing you know, I'm in Minneapolis. Three 0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:49.159 weeks later New Journey and that that was where you know, 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:50.600 perspective was burnt. 0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:57.760 Wait over the phone, bro It starts with you fourteen 0:25:57.840 --> 0:25:58.240 years old. 0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:01.399 Start starts with me at fourteen side of me as 0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:02.919 an artist. 0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:03.840 Wow. 0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:07.159 So then they signed me as an artist. I was 0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:09.240 all my Ryman shit. So Bobby was doing the production. 0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:13.040 I was on my rhyming shit, and Bob gave my 0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:15.880 demo to Jam and Jam has this term they call 0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:17.200 it drive off the Road music. 0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:20.920 So he heard my stuff called and was like, Yo, 0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:23.240 this is drive off the road music. 0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:27.360 Terry get get his brother to get his brother to Yeah. 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:27.720 Yeah. 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:31.800 So now I'm out there and it's you know, new 0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:33.720 journey man, whole new and how old are you with 0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:34.120 this time? 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:38.040 I'm he's twelve going on thirteen because I turned fifteen. 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:39.560 It's crazy, so this. 0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:41.040 Is a young fellow. 0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:44.080 But you know this, this was a crazy thing. 0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:46.040 So you know, I fly out there to go start 0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:50.640 working on my solo record, and you know, you get 0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:54.280 the tours, Like Sounds of Blackness is rehearsing in the back, 0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:57.639 make conditions, coming in and out, just kind of checking 0:26:57.640 --> 0:27:00.800 on things. Steve Hodge, who make all of Jimmy and 0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:04.280 Terry stuff, just agreed to move out to Minneapolis to 0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:09.080 just mix in house. So I'm like, it's the fact 0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:14.560 that this is everybody that that I love, and you know, 0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:19.600 Johnny Gills on his way up, and I'm like, wow, okay. 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:21.320 I had no fear. 0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:23.840 But it was like, you know, you think you're ready 0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:25.879 sometimes you know, like oh I got it, I got it, 0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:27.960 and a lot of times you aren't. And I think 0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:30.639 just the pressure that my pops always put on me, 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:33.440 I just didn't have no fear. And it's like cool, 0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:35.600 it was part time. You gotta you gotta show up, 0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:36.920 fold or focus, and. 0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:39.840 It was a different creative machine at fly Time. It 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:42.040 was there was no looping or anything. 0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:44.200 I mean, you came in there. They said the way 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:46.320 we make records, you play from top to bottom. 0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:48.760 You play from time, you play from top to bottom, 0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:52.200 and you play from top to bottom. And Terry had this, 0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.320 he had this thing where it's like no song should 0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:56.600 sound the same way it ends. 0:27:56.840 --> 0:27:58.720 So his his thing was always dynamics. 0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:02.080 Yeah, you know, and a lot of people don't realize, 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:03.919 like when you listen to the Jam and Lewis records, 0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:04.840 when you hear those. 0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:07.000 Turnarounds on the drums and stuff, that's. 0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:10.320 All Jam doing it live. You know all that stuff. Man, 0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:12.560 it's like top to body. 0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:13.520 That was at school. 0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:16.680 Do your passive keys, to do your passive base, top 0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:18.600 to bomb, you do your turnaround drum fields. 0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:21.960 Yeah, it was all talked about it. And the thing 0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:24.000 that they loved was I was self contained. So they 0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.760 were like stick Bobby and the studio see and I 0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:29.720 cooked and everything I would cook. It was like Okay, 0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:34.639 Terry come in, he'd write, and you know, I was 0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:41.640 getting coached vocally from you know, the guy and Terry. 0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:43.320 Would spend like two hours on one line. That's how 0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:44.040 yeah he was. 0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:46.520 He was relentless, you know, you do like a master's 0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:49.360 and a slave real and you had twenty four tracks 0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:52.280 to just do all these vocals and keep four and 0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:55.200 comp So after that it was like it was like, hey, 0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:57.080 we got a remix for more money soundtrack, you want 0:28:57.080 --> 0:28:58.840 to do it? I was like yeah, cool, And it 0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:01.120 was just we were and out on top of work 0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:03.440 in the record. So when I started doing that, I 0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:05.920 was like, tee, my brother, we got some crazy joints 0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:08.880 on him. So I gave it to jam and you 0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:12.680 know that happened. So everything started progressing at that time 0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:14.320 quick too, very fast. 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:17.360 So is your dad with you? 0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:17.720 With me? 0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:19.040 And you know it? 0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:22.960 Terry for me was incredible because I started living with 0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:29.080 Terry and he saw the friction. And Terry knew Crazy 0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:33.280 and he knew Karate, like he knew how that ship worked. 0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:36.400 And he was like, Pops, man, go cool. I would 0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:39.760 go see a movie. I got this all right, and 0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:40.520 what are you gonna tell? 0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:41.120 Terry? 0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:43.719 And you know, and you know that was the thing, right, 0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:48.560 he became the buffer. But he also understood my dad's 0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:50.040 component and he respected it. 0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:52.960 Like and Terry would always say, like, you know, all 0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:55.400 always respected Dad because I get. 0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:56.000 It, you know. 0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:58.840 But you know, and I think when I got signed 0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:02.200 my joint end up coming out before Bobs and you know, 0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:05.400 now I'm running at the Gavin convention all that stuff. 0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:07.920 When that was around in the bay. You know, we 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.200 put out the record. Next thing I know, Pete Rock's 0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:10.840 doing a remix. 0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:13.000 So it was like and. 0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:14.160 Crack, yeah it was. 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:16.840 And I think that's what made the relationship, you know, 0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:21.000 incredible with Terry because you know, I say this for 0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:23.600 anybody like I want you to know my truth. 0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:25.920 My shit was nasty. You know. 0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:28.600 My first picture was I had a cast on with 0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:32.760 Janet Jackson and jam and Lewis. My dad was crazy, right, 0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:35.560 So when I'm in the studio and I can't really 0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:38.840 write like I want to write that birth big gym. 0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:41.760 Right mm, because I couldn't get in. 0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:44.680 I couldn't do everything I wanted to do until my 0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:50.760 hand held because of Pops. So that birth big Jim 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:53.520 as a songwriter producer, which ultimately went to I get 0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:56.160 so lonely that a lot of Adams opened my heart. 0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:59.640 So that opened up a door for him in the camp. 0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:04.640 So that's how crazy it was. And having Terry in 0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:07.800 our lives was like, that's how you know important it was. 0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:11.160 Because I was already part of the writing and producing team. 0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:13.840 No, I was just I was. 0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:18.200 So you know, and then my joint started taking off 0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:20.720 and then out of nowhere, man, it came crumbling down 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:23.760 because of my pops. You know, my apostles yelling at 0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:27.760 people at perspective and they just saw it, as you know, 0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:30.840 it was just a hindrance to to moving things forward. 0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:33.680 And he's working on his album there and so. 0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.560 It's one of my guys always tells my brother problem 0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:38.800 always tells me said, sometimes the juice is not worth 0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:39.360 the squeeze. 0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:39.640 Man. 0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:40.640 Oh that's a good one. 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.040 And honestly, man, that's a great way to put it, 0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:46.840 because that's exactly how it felt to me when it 0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:50.240 just came to a halt. I just said, okay, let 0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:52.040 me go on and let me let me take my 0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:52.880 ass to high school. 0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:54.120 Let me be around some folks. 0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.040 Let me you still that young? 0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:59.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I went to I went to ten. 0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:00.360 Great. 0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:01.400 It's when I went back to. 0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:04.040 School in Minneapolis. 0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:09.160 Back here in Cally came back. Yeah, yeah, to stop. 0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:13.000 I was cool, man, And even at that time, I 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:15.760 started to look at things with a different, different perspective. 0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:17.880 When it came to music in our family, I said, okay, 0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:22.040 we're paying the cost now to love this thing called music, 0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:23.800 because it's taking a toll on the family. 0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:26.640 And I had no appetite for it. 0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:26.840 Man. 0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:29.040 I went back to school, Bob stayed a mini and 0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:32.920 Bob was faced with an ultimatum. Hey, Bob, it's either 0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:35.920 you're gonna stay here on perspective, or you go wrong 0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:36.720 with your pops. 0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:38.920 That's how That's how much it was. 0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:39.840 It was crazy. 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:44.080 I mean when Norman Winters, who likes synonymous as a 0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:49.920 publicist for Off the Wall, and Elton John You were 0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:53.320 in it too, it was like, you know, they had 0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:57.160 to fly me out by myself and so I'll never 0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:59.600 forget it. I was in the car with Terry and 0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:03.640 into the studio and he was like, hey, Bob, I 0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:08.600 know this is tough and I know it's crazy, but 0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:14.000 I can't deal with Pops right now, and you're going 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:16.000 to have to figure out what you want to do. 0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:21.640 And he said, artists come and go and they have 0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:27.000 their time, but the ability you have it is like 0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:32.360 me and jam and it's even better because it's all you. 0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:34.360 You can have a career as a songwriter and a 0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:40.200 producer and a musician and write for others. And I 0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:42.920 knew what he was telling me. When I go back home, 0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:46.440 it's a no win for me because if I stay, 0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:52.760 it's got to be without him, and if I don't, 0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:58.320 it's without it's with him still. And it's like it's tough, right, 0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:00.160 It was really tough, So you know. 0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:00.920 I made the decision. 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:05.720 I was like at this time, six sixteen going on seventeen, 0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:09.520 and I was like, and like Terry said, you got 0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:11.719 to live there, boy, you gotta live there, so you 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:14.520 gotta you have to be happy too, in whatever way 0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:15.200 that means to you. 0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:18.600 So I was like, well, I'm off for perspective. 0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:20.640 Then came home. Came home. 0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:25.840 Yeah, so done and back to square one. Fellas that 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:27.480 I just got. 0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:30.680 That climate, back to scoring, back up again, back to 0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:31.200 square one. 0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:33.600 Man, Yeah, it was crazy. 0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:33.799 Man. 0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:36.480 Do you go back to school, you go do the 0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:37.160 same thing too. 0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:40.759 He stayed, He stayed on. It was independent studies. He graduated, 0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:43.319 but stayed back in the. 0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:44.760 Garage, cooking, cooking. 0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:48.880 Man, I'm at high school, and you know, I'm getting 0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:49.960 ready to finish high school. 0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:52.759 Man, I go get me a job. I work at 0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:53.279 best Buy. 0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:58.239 Yeah, yeah, TV get a couple of a couple of 0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:00.040 what was it. 0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:02.000 I wasn't everybody? 0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:05.720 Yeah? Yeah, we sold the hell at warranties. You know, 0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:07.200 you know. 0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:11.800 So so, And that's you know, that's the thing, because we're. 0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:15.040 Talking all walks of life, what we've experienced. You know, 0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.080 it was, you know, the road the road of like 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:19.319 poke your chest out. 0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.440 That's only been alive for us for like fifteen years, 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:24.120 but the journey's been thirty years. 0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:26.600 Right, So, and I think to just the being in 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.359 the game, because we even didn't talk about like while 0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:33.799 I was cooking for him, I was, uh cooking for 0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:37.800 he started with me, Skilo. I wish it was a 0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:40.719 little bit tallerant I produced him like back when I 0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:45.400 was forty managed him, but that manage him. There was 0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:48.600 a girl Dominique. So I was like the guy like 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:52.640 I was like Teddy Boyd. I was like cooking for everybody. 0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:55.880 So I had this, like all of this in me, 0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:57.800 and I'm going from deal to deal. It's like you 0:35:57.920 --> 0:36:01.560 kind of you're getting tossed around everywhere. And the older 0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:04.200 I got, you know, I was I was a guy 0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:07.719 that always liked information. I love to learn, so I 0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:10.000 would talk to executives. I would talk to guys around 0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:12.840 me who've been in the game, you know, trying to 0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:14.920 figure out business plans because man, I think I might 0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:19.080 need to do something by myself. And you know, my 0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:21.120 dad was relentless, and so he was like, we got 0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:22.879 to do another record, because when you're out, when you're 0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:25.920 the window moves, if you're not in it, you got 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:27.600 to hurry up because they forget who you are. 0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:29.440 So we put a record out. 0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:31.800 I did a remake of al Greens Let's Say Together, 0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:35.880 and we put it out independently, and we got a 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:37.959 lot of love. Baker boys at the time were hot 0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.040 and power went those sins and those were our guys. 0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:44.839 So they got that record to number one. So I'm 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.920 back in the Chi lit circuit or the burrito circuit. 0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:54.440 I'm like primetime now sometimes probably just I'm opening up 0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:56.840 for the same guys, you know, the Tony's and everybody 0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:57.200 you know. 0:36:57.440 --> 0:37:00.359 And at one point, man, it was like. 0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:06.359 I can't, I can't do this, Like I'm not loving it, 0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:10.719 but I still love it that I got to be alone. 0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:14.080 And we had somebody in the family that was like, man, 0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:16.160 you got to get out of here. You got to 0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:18.640 get out out of your house. You gotta there. There's 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:22.839 God got something for you different, And man, God put 0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:24.920 some great people around me. I ended up living with 0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:26.760 a friend of ours who was actually kind of working 0:37:27.280 --> 0:37:29.560 with us at the time in music with my dad, 0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:35.640 and that same guy, Norman Winters, called him and I said, hey, man, 0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:36.799 I would love to talk to you. 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:38.879 Come to the office. 0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:43.160 And it just because I had nothing at that point, 0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:48.200 I was I had nine thousand dollars and I'm eighteen, 0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:52.520 and I left the house with no bitter heart. But 0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:55.400 just the one thing that I loved the most more 0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:58.840 than myself was music. So I gotta keep going for it, 0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:01.799 not to be popular, just to have a career and 0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:04.640 do what I love to do. So I had the 0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:10.480 mindset of like, well, go get the information. And Norman 0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:13.960 Winter's showed me a whole nother life of marketing, show 0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:16.160 me a whole another life of branding, and I was like, 0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:19.160 this is why these record companies didn't get it. And 0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:22.640 he told me I couldn't work with your manager and 0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:27.480 your father, and that's what prohibited me to continue. Say 0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:31.359 you have that thing, and I know you have that 0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:33.719 thing because I found Elton John and they took Elton 0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:37.000 John from me, and I'm going to help you. So, man, 0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:39.719 I'm in this different world now at this point, and 0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:42.400 I'm trying to rebuild. I'm learning corporation talk, come learning 0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:45.360 how to get structure and all of these states plans, 0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:48.600 how to put business plans together, trying to learn every 0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:50.960 facet of the game the way that I had been 0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:54.520 learning it as a musician. I'm just trying to understand 0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:57.120 what the business is like, because the easiest part, we 0:38:57.160 --> 0:38:59.439 always say is making the music. It's the easiest part. 0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:01.960 It's when you have to hand that craft of that 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:02.560 baby over. 0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:03.520 Yah. 0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:04.399 Where does it go from there? 0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:04.759 Yeah? 0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:08.120 Yeah, everybody goes, oh, I got to hit. No you don't. 0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:10.680 They're going to tell you what you what you really have, 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:16.000 you know. So I went on that journey and it 0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:17.440 was tough. Man, it was alone. 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:21.760 And then I finally left the crib. 0:39:22.000 --> 0:39:23.000 Yeah, he left the crib. 0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:25.160 I'm like, all right, bro, let's let's go, you know. 0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:27.680 Let's start it up again. So then at that point 0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:31.440 it became I'm not going to be an artist. I'm 0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:33.880 gonna be that guy that Terry Lewis told me in 0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:34.480 that truck. 0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:35.560 So let me ask you a question. 0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:39.520 As you're deciding to leave the house in both situations, 0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:42.360 is that a conversation with your father? 0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:46.920 Like, no, they're actually through fallouts like we were. Actually 0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:51.080 I remember it Claire's day. The day he left, we 0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:52.120 literally got done. 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:53.040 We were doing. 0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:57.040 Grand Night at Disneyland. We were the band for Grand 0:39:57.120 --> 0:39:57.880 nighte Wow. 0:39:58.239 --> 0:39:58.799 With this group. 0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:02.240 With the group we started DW three, DW three we started. 0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:06.800 So I'm literally leaving high school, like my dad's school, 0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:09.000 go do the gig, get home at like five am, 0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:11.480 go back to school the next day, Like that's the 0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:13.920 grind it was. And so I think it was on 0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:17.359 our last gig at Disneyland, we were in the car 0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:21.000 with my pops. Pops driving us home and Bobby was like, 0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:24.920 I'm done, I'm leaving, and man, that was the longest 0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:25.520 ride home. 0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:29.000 It's not too far from at you could get there 0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:30.239 back home with like thirty minutes. 0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:31.960 And it was like time stopped. 0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:34.319 Man, how could you betray me that at all? This 0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:38.000 I put years? I mean, it was that classic oh shit, 0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:39.080 the lid just blew. 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:41.240 Out, right, So did you do this to me? After 0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:42.000 all week? 0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:48.399 And that was the start of his exit and mine 0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:52.520 came shortly after. I would come home and I just 0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:56.200 hear my dad cursing my brother, like your brother's never 0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:58.239 And one day I just couldn't take it. And one 0:40:58.280 --> 0:40:59.719 I was like, man, how long are you going to 0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:01.319 talk about your son that way? 0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:04.279 Like get over it, man, move on. 0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:07.359 And I couldn't take it no more. And I had 0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:10.160 my blowout with him and I was like, bro, come 0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:10.719 pick me up. 0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:12.000 I'm out. 0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:17.919 Wow, And you know, just I couldn't take it anymore, man, 0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:19.640 you know, it was it became poison. 0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:22.560 It became my dad was bitter. 0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:27.000 My dad was, you know, telling people that you know, 0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:30.520 oh yeah, he left me with nothing, and you know, 0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:34.360 just the classic story, you know, and I'll never forget 0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:36.279 being on the phone with my pops at some point 0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:39.480 after that and him telling me, you know, yeah, whatever 0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:41.520 whatever you brought, whatever you and your brother. 0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:43.560 Think you're gonna do, you're gonna fail without me. Just watch, 0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:49.920 just watch. And so you know, that became, you know, 0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:51.480 feel you know. 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:54.160 And what's crazy because we haven't we haven't said yet, 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:55.640 but we're so close with our mom. 0:41:56.280 --> 0:42:00.319 Our mom is like our rock to everything. And so 0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:03.960 because of the TERMO with my pops, I remember not. 0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:06.200 Even coming around for at least a year or two 0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:09.719 because of my dad, and so for us to not 0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:14.640 see our mom like was crazy, you know, And I 0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:16.640 mean it was the air was stick for I want 0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:19.719 to say at least four to five years where we 0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:22.800 just couldn't we couldn't do it, you know, I couldn't 0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:24.600 do it, couldn't be around him, didn't want to see him, 0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:28.960 didn't want to hear from him. And you know it's like, well, 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:31.120 you know, we can't use that as an excuse. 0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:32.480 We got to get out here. 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:34.120 And and get it in the trench. 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:36.720 Yeah, don't get it in it. And you know, I graduate. 0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:39.359 Once I graduated, I was doing these side gigs with 0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:42.800 an engineer. We had met during some of my sessions 0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:44.640 and his name was D Style, and D Style was 0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:47.800 working with a with a you know, a new artist 0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:49.640 at the time who was Macy Gray, and. 0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:50.520 He would bring me in. 0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:52.840 He would bring me in to do drums, you know, 0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:55.080 so I bring I have my little this kid that 0:42:55.200 --> 0:42:57.640 I still have had it since I was five year old, 0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:00.440 five years old, but it had a spirit on it, right. 0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:02.799 It was all beat up, raggedy. I used to take 0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:03.240 it apart. 0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:05.120 I used to try to get to sound like James 0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:08.600 Brown's drummer, and it just had a spirit. So D 0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:11.080 loved the way it sounded, and he loved that I 0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:14.000 played hip hop grooves. So he'd bring me in and 0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:17.879 I start doing these sessions for Macy, and one thing 0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:18.479 led to another. 0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:20.239 She was like, you need to come out on the 0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:20.719 road with me. 0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:24.120 And I was like, shit, I'm broke, let's go. You know, 0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:27.879 we had just got our apartments. I was like, bro, are. 0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:29.680 Y'all still in the i Ea of the Yak We're still. 0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:34.240 Yeah, because we the premise of being in the ie 0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:38.160 was I'm never going to lose myself in LA. This 0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:41.480 is too crazy, right, and and you know, Prince thought 0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:44.520 the same way about about Minneapolis. Why live in Minneapolis? 0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:46.560 And he would say, to keep all the band people away, 0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:50.520 you know. And that was the concept, to just protect. 0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:51.319 Who you are. 0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:54.480 It's home front, you know, you know, on all front. 0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:57.360 So we did everything in the IE. We built studios 0:43:57.400 --> 0:44:00.600 out there. Our partner our new partners were would come. 0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:01.040 From the I E. 0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:03.640 I graduated from. 0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:07.279 You know, I think it was like, let's protect us 0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:09.520 here and then we'll go out to the world. 0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:12.600 So y'all y'all doing all this from from from the 0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:17.000 Internet empire, all of it, And yeah, are you at 0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:20.120 this point just completely focusing on writing and producing? 0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:24.440 We're focusing on We're focusing on it all. 0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:26.319 Yeah, how can we get where can we get a check? 0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:29.360 Where can we get a check? Partnerships, opportunities, music songs 0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:30.600 probably Okay. 0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:33.839 So Is had went out with Mason Gray at that time. 0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:37.440 I had I was still on my you know, I 0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:39.960 had We had met Ice Teeth through a friend of ours, 0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:43.880 and so I ended up doing records for like, you know, 0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:47.800 for him, Spice One, the Loonies. 0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:50.000 Yeah, you know, you had the alcoholics. 0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:53.800 J Ross point, what are y'all charging a track man? Whatever? 0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:58.160 We can get you know what, twenty five hundred five 0:44:58.200 --> 0:44:59.239 thousand we made it. 0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:03.000 But you say almost like maybe you'll give it. 0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:05.520 To Yeah, yeah, how much you want exactly? 0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:12.759 Yes, exactly, And you know we hear the deals like, 0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:14.440 oh man, we got we got two hundred for this. 0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:19.600 I'd be like, damn, like really right because now you know, 0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:24.960 I'm understanding bills are always on time, and now they're 0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:28.680 like and now there is bills. So it gets a 0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:31.319 gig and it's like, hey, bro go do your thing. 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:34.120 This is the first time we're about to be apart 0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:34.960 apart like that. 0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:38.080 So you're eighteen about to play drums around the. 0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:40.839 World because global world. 0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:41.120 Yea. 0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:43.879 And for me it was like my first tour as 0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:44.440 a drummer. 0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:47.200 Yeah, you know, having a tech, you know, because she 0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:49.560 had all the white folks, so she was she was different. 0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:52.520 It was you had a guy come up to you, sir, sir, 0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:53.279 how do. 0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.840 You want your basic on your tech. 0:45:57.280 --> 0:45:57.480 For you? 0:45:57.520 --> 0:45:57.920 We'll get you. 0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:00.480 I'll let you know when it's all together. The yeah. 0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:01.400 And here's what's crazy. 0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:03.680 It was crazy about that. 0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:08.319 For some strange reason, prior to that opportunity, I had 0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:10.399 just got cases for all my I had a red 0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:13.440 Yamaha kid. So I had just got cases, and so 0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:16.200 my thing was like, okay, you know, if I get some. 0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:18.319 Drum work, studio work, like that's bread for us. 0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:21.120 You know, we just you know, we're pre smelling things, right, 0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:24.880 So you know I got that opportunity and that really 0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:28.680 being around the road, you know, I had, I had 0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:32.520 an NPC three thousand with me, and so I started 0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:35.640 this regiment. Every city I went to, I'd go to 0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:39.239 the local record store and I'd bring back vine back. 0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:49.840 Then, yeah, you ain't got a chance. 0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.520 What one? 0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:13.520 Top five? 0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:17.960 Your top five? 0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:22.360 Yes, top five? 0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:29.640 Your top five? Oh the singer. 0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:33.239 Boun this be so. 0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:41.920 Brown that yow be love bron Then this my brother. 0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:45.320 Shop joke, go your. 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:59.920 Yeah, yeah, who's in your top? 0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:02.359 Your time? 0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:10.719 Okay, you got sexy? 0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:10.040 Then ye. 0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:12.840 Give it up. 0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:18.040 Yeah that's easy for us, man. So let's see, are 0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:20.560 you guys gonna breaking and because. 0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:22.759 We're like minded, man, you know we okay, you read 0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:23.239 the same thing. 0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:24.040 Here we go, Here we go. 0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:26.880 I'm gonna say five off top five. 0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:32.440 Marve singers said you kick it off, Marvin kicking it 0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:34.120 off Marvin and Stevie. 0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:36.239 Has Jesus Christ aggressive. 0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:43.600 I gotta go with Donnie Hathaway m hmm and Felippe win. 0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:47.560 Yo. 0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:51.280 Now you gotta split one now Yeah, what's the sign means. 0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:56.920 Bobby Carwell, ah. 0:48:58.880 --> 0:48:59.400 Amazing. 0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:05.440 What a voice, what a voice? 0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:09.400 How long timeless. 0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:11.960 And just how he moved with the chorus. Oh man, 0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:15.240 you know, what you Won't Do for Love was written 0:49:15.320 --> 0:49:18.440 for Earth with a Fire and they turned it down. 0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:22.399 Immediately, right. 0:49:22.480 --> 0:49:23.480 And what you're hearing is. 0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:25.240 The actual that's the demo. 0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:29.480 It's the demo. 0:49:29.640 --> 0:49:32.880 He just gave me chills singing what you Won't Do 0:49:32.920 --> 0:49:33.279 for Love? 0:49:34.880 --> 0:49:39.080 Wow, m h We don't hear them all. That's the 0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:40.600 one thing we got to talk about at some point. 0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:45.480 We don't hear them all. Okay, Top five R and B. 0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:52.080 Songs Send one your love? Mhm, send one your love 0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:55.719 when doves cry? 0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:57.279 Mm hmm. 0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:04.879 He shoot, yeah, he can't load. Yeah, the cheek codes 0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:05.560 in his glasses. 0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:09.360 Yeah yeah, y'all was first in text. 0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:13.839 What's going across his RB song? 0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:16.120 So I gotta you know for all we know? 0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:17.480 Mm hmm. 0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:20.040 Donny Hathaway, I love. 0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:21.680 That patience on that record. 0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:28.560 Yeah, just to be subtle on it. And I'd say 0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:29.920 the second song. 0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:33.880 Mm hmmm. 0:50:38.520 --> 0:50:41.520 Got answer my pants and I needed dance. James Brown, 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:45.880 he wanted he was a James Brown. I'll take the 0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:48.719 fifth one. Hm, what's going on? 0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:54.560 Ain't no argument here, classic song. 0:50:55.360 --> 0:50:57.640 And here's what's when when you get into our cars. 0:50:58.239 --> 0:51:01.960 That's exactly what we listened to. Yeah, day in and 0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:02.359 day out. 0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:07.680 Yeah yeah, knee deep deep James Taylor, you. 0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:10.160 Gotta stay connected to that. You have it in your. 0:51:12.120 --> 0:51:12.319 Yeah. 0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:17.200 I would run another day to Mint Condition, Mint Factory. 0:51:17.320 --> 0:51:19.719 Oh man, I just I just had to have it. 0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:23.319 I had to get it in my body, just for 0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:29.120 a second when I hear so fine, you know what 0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:29.760 what is wrong? 0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:35.640 I flew to Vegas last week, Right last week, I 0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:41.000 got a Ricky for my condition. Uh taged me on 0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:44.839 a post and I forgot to tell y'all this. But 0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:47.840 when it wasn't on for me, the fellas who really 0:51:47.880 --> 0:51:50.719 took care of me and were going to make me 0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:53.279 part of their production company and the artists, it was 0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:57.040 make condition. And the love that we have for each 0:51:57.080 --> 0:52:02.720 other and that relationship is it's like at the Crazy Bond. 0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:08.920 And they gave me the strength to keep going. And 0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:11.440 those brothers right there, not only are they so bad, 0:52:11.560 --> 0:52:17.520 amazing guys. Ye as you say that, it's like Man 0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:21.200 and Ricky, Jeff and Larry Man. 0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:26.960 Those study material for me. Kerry Lewis Man so fon material. 0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:31.480 Yes, all right, here we go making your perfect R 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:33.799 and B singer, the one you're going to sign and 0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:36.800 sell one hundred million records with. Okay, called this the 0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:40.000 R and B voltron h. We want to know who 0:52:40.000 --> 0:52:42.800 you're going to get the vocal from for that artist, 0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:47.280 the performing style for that artist, the styling for that artist, 0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:51.400 and the heart of that artist, the passion. Who are 0:52:51.480 --> 0:52:55.520 you grabbing the vocal from for your artists. You can collaborate, 0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:56.320 you can talk about it. 0:52:56.440 --> 0:52:56.799 You need to. 0:52:57.239 --> 0:53:03.719 I would get I would get I would get a 0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:06.720 cop I would say Bobby. I would say Elder Barge. 0:53:07.239 --> 0:53:09.200 I would get Elder Barge for just the passion and 0:53:09.200 --> 0:53:13.280 the nuance, the vocal starting the vocal, just the vocal, 0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:16.240 oh vocal. 0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:19.160 See I have and I have to think relevancy to 0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:24.560 write how that vocal fits in relevancy too, because that's 0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:28.279 part of our pedigree, his cloth, the DNA of where 0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:31.200 we're from, but also making sure that we're in the 0:53:31.239 --> 0:53:31.920 right frequency. 0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:34.920 You can tell some people that got hit records, they 0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:35.600 start thinking of. 0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:39.680 Formulas on the radio. 0:53:39.800 --> 0:53:51.359 Formulas, Uh, vocally, Marvin Gaye, I rock with you on that. 0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:53.600 Mm hmmm mm hmmm. 0:53:54.560 --> 0:53:56.160 Gotta perform like Michael though. 0:53:57.320 --> 0:53:59.640 Performance styles, So you canna give Marvin's voice and then 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:02.280 perform style that would be unreal. 0:54:03.640 --> 0:54:07.160 Yeah, and then what's the next You got to be 0:54:07.160 --> 0:54:08.920 able to play answer the styling. 0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:11.080 Oh, the styling of the artists. 0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:13.200 Look like we're gonna drip. 0:54:13.280 --> 0:54:17.120 Like that's gonna sound a little crazy. 0:54:18.000 --> 0:54:23.960 But you put that combination with with like a Rick James. 0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:31.040 Yeah, yeah, I like that's. 0:54:31.920 --> 0:54:34.319 What you all night. 0:54:35.440 --> 0:54:37.479 Might show up in a leather We're in the game 0:54:37.560 --> 0:54:39.520 home last night. 0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:43.799 Yeah, you wouldn't even talk to me. 0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:55.920 We're crafting the superstar. So, yeah, a super superstar. 0:54:56.239 --> 0:55:02.160 People don't give Rick his flowers. Man was a powerhouse. 0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:02.560 He was. 0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:18.440 Oh Man, the monster musician, musician, the dread the lady. 0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:20.680 And he could write a song and he's gonna write 0:55:20.719 --> 0:55:21.160 and produce it. 0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:24.600 And he was disrespect and yeah, he was disruptive on. 0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:32.439 Habitual line step Okay, all right. The passion of the artist, 0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:34.360 the heart of the artists. You kind of alluded to 0:55:34.400 --> 0:55:35.400 it before, but I don't know if you want to 0:55:35.480 --> 0:55:36.080 change that. 0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:40.360 It's got to be Prince m Yeah, all or nothing. 0:55:40.520 --> 0:55:43.120 I was just telling stories about that kind of off camera, 0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:47.400 about how competitive, how much he had. 0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:49.719 Fear, fierce, fierce he was. 0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:51.520 He was music at all costs. 0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:52.919 It's all the costs, man. 0:55:53.040 --> 0:55:55.759 I have stuff in that and the vault that I 0:55:55.760 --> 0:56:00.839 got from him, like music that you won't you never hear. O. God, 0:56:02.239 --> 0:56:05.879 how he did the walk, like just with Morris playing 0:56:05.880 --> 0:56:07.479 the drums and him playing the bass trying to figure 0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:11.520 out that BA like he was it. Yeah, and he 0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:12.919 did everything with the time. 0:56:13.840 --> 0:56:14.480 It was all him. 0:56:14.760 --> 0:56:18.720 It was him and him and Morris play. Wasn't Jimmy, Monty, 0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:20.800 none of them. It's all Prince. 0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:23.319 She's crazy. 0:56:25.040 --> 0:56:32.800 Yeah, man, man, y'all hey listen man, levels y'all, y'all sick, 0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:36.080 y'all are sick. 0:56:36.120 --> 0:56:36.319 Bro. 0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:41.640 We're not done though, y Yeah, we're gonna split these 0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:44.360 up to two stores stores. 0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:46.960 Yeah yeah, yeah. 0:56:46.320 --> 0:57:08.560 Yeah yeah, twinkle fingers, I ain't saying no name. 0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:18.520 Very important segment of the show talking about it. 0:57:18.840 --> 0:57:21.480 Yeah all right, Well, and we're gonna we're gonna split 0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:25.680 it up a Bobby version and an Easy version because 0:57:25.720 --> 0:57:29.160 both of y'all have had long journeys and travels in this. 0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:32.480 Thing that we call music. And uh, the name of 0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:35.600 the topic and the segment in the game is I 0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:41.200 ain't saying no names. So your story funny, are fucked up? 0:57:41.960 --> 0:57:43.080 Are funny and fucked up. 0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:44.920 Mine's funny and fucked up perfect. 0:57:48.240 --> 0:57:52.160 So we're gonna go first with easys. 0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:53.520 I ain't saying no names. 0:57:54.280 --> 0:57:55.160 You didn't hear from me. 0:57:56.200 --> 0:57:57.200 I didn't say nothing. 0:57:58.440 --> 0:58:03.320 Here's the key to my story. Campbell suits, good food. 0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:04.600 You ready? 0:58:04.720 --> 0:58:09.160 Yeah, man, we're in the studio working with an artists 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:15.000 doing a couple of records. Hey man, my friend just 0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:16.560 came through. Man, it's a cool if he comes up. 0:58:16.960 --> 0:58:20.680 Oh yeah, yeah, bring him up. We're vibing, we're chilling. 0:58:21.040 --> 0:58:22.720 We got all the we got all the gear in 0:58:22.800 --> 0:58:24.480 the in the room, so we kind of have it 0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:29.240 set up like we can jam at any given moment. Me, Bob, Terry, 0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:32.919 be Jim, No, no, no, they're cool, they're cool. Okay, 0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:39.800 they're cool, they're they're safe, safe, all right, cool man, 0:58:39.800 --> 0:58:40.680 We're five minutes, all good. 0:58:40.680 --> 0:58:44.960 Bring him up, comes on up. We're like, oh what's up? 0:58:45.000 --> 0:58:45.160 Man? 0:58:45.240 --> 0:58:46.280 Are hey man? 0:58:46.400 --> 0:58:48.520 You know, we're just sitting here vibing. Man, all right, 0:58:48.600 --> 0:58:53.120 cool man, Hey, hey, Bob, play something. 0:58:54.680 --> 0:58:55.120 He is. 0:58:57.160 --> 0:58:57.480 A man. 0:58:58.000 --> 0:58:59.880 Come in here and sing something. Man, come sing. 0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:06.720 My stomach hurts. Your stomach hurts, but you can sing. Man, 0:59:06.760 --> 0:59:10.880 Come on, man, come vibe with us. I don't feel 0:59:10.920 --> 0:59:12.160 good tummy. 0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:18.480 For real. Man, Bob, get up while you under there laughing, 0:59:18.560 --> 0:59:22.560 Get up, man. They over Bobby and Terry Lewis over 0:59:22.560 --> 0:59:28.480 there are just busting a ball and we're like, yo, 0:59:28.600 --> 0:59:30.200 you ain't gonna jump in here and just sing. 0:59:30.200 --> 0:59:30.360 Man. 0:59:30.400 --> 0:59:32.000 It's all We're all vibe and it's freaking. 0:59:33.320 --> 0:59:34.600 My tummy hurts. 0:59:36.880 --> 0:59:38.760 Hey, man, if you knew who it was, If you 0:59:38.840 --> 0:59:44.160 knew who it was, remember the key to my story, 0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:47.240 campbell Soup's good food. 0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:52.520 So do you think they were scared to see? 0:59:55.280 --> 0:59:57.760 I don't know what it was. I don't know if 0:59:57.760 --> 1:00:01.240 when something is tummy or he just didn't want to say. 1:00:03.520 --> 1:00:12.360 But it was weird and soft. Just and just think 1:00:12.400 --> 1:00:14.640 how I'm I'm acting it up. 1:00:16.000 --> 1:00:20.840 It's weird and so listen to me. Listen, m M. 1:00:26.840 --> 1:00:30.480 That's enough, yo. 1:00:30.760 --> 1:00:34.160 But what what was even crazier was my brothers literally 1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:38.200 on the floor under the console, dying and Terry's. 1:00:37.840 --> 1:00:43.439 Like, he's atom stop, stop, get up, can't I can't mean. 1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:51.720 There's a few reasons, you know, I'm not going entertained 1:00:54.400 --> 1:00:55.120 because he's. 1:00:58.080 --> 1:00:58.840 To be We were hype. 1:00:58.840 --> 1:01:03.720 We're like, oh this boy could blown come fine with us. 1:01:04.200 --> 1:01:08.400 So yeah, we were you know, eight jokes ready right, 1:01:09.640 --> 1:01:10.240 get out of there. 1:01:13.120 --> 1:01:16.360 Okay, Bobby, I ain't saying no name. 1:01:16.600 --> 1:01:17.919 Uh yeah. 1:01:18.480 --> 1:01:22.800 This one was very eye opening. So we're in the 1:01:22.800 --> 1:01:31.600 studio to me is and it's Terry and Jimmy, and. 1:01:32.880 --> 1:01:33.560 It was. 1:01:35.160 --> 1:01:42.000 A very monumental moment because there's a guy who had 1:01:42.040 --> 1:01:47.600 this record that was amazing, it was killing, And so 1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:49.800 we found out he was on his way to the studio. 1:01:52.080 --> 1:01:53.000 So he comes by. 1:01:54.760 --> 1:01:59.600 And Jimmy and Terry take him to the back one 1:01:59.600 --> 1:02:05.640 of the back studios that we had had a conversation 1:02:05.760 --> 1:02:07.000 with him. 1:02:07.680 --> 1:02:14.480 He had a number one record booming and. 1:02:16.760 --> 1:02:19.280 One of our favorites, one of a lot of people's favorites. 1:02:22.200 --> 1:02:25.320 And Jimmy Terry give him like the h that talk. 1:02:26.000 --> 1:02:30.480 They sign him, I'll tell you what to do or 1:02:30.560 --> 1:02:35.400 not to do, and they have that conversation. They come 1:02:35.440 --> 1:02:43.400 out of the room, he says it's goodbyes, and they 1:02:43.440 --> 1:02:45.120 said I don't think we're ever going to see him again. 1:02:47.200 --> 1:02:51.919 And I said, really, no, we've seen a lot come 1:02:52.120 --> 1:02:52.720 and a lot go. 1:02:54.640 --> 1:02:55.520 They ain't gonna hear from. 1:02:55.480 --> 1:02:59.080 Him, and we ain't heard from ever since. 1:03:00.640 --> 1:03:02.080 What they do to that boy in that room. 1:03:02.120 --> 1:03:06.400 Man, they gave him a dose, and we ain't never 1:03:06.480 --> 1:03:10.240 heard from the real And they were right. So when 1:03:10.240 --> 1:03:14.040 a wise man tells you, I've seen them come and 1:03:14.080 --> 1:03:17.040 I've seen them go. And when they say, oh, he's great, no, 1:03:17.200 --> 1:03:21.960 greatness is always defined over period of time. They gave 1:03:22.040 --> 1:03:24.920 him the crown too quick, and guys who have been 1:03:24.960 --> 1:03:26.520 able to do it over and over and over and 1:03:26.560 --> 1:03:27.960 over again knew it. 1:03:28.680 --> 1:03:31.439 Blew my mind. I paid attention even more. 1:03:32.360 --> 1:03:34.640 Wow, I gotta know who that is. 1:03:34.680 --> 1:03:41.120 We never asked a guest who it is. Don't worry, guys, 1:03:42.280 --> 1:03:43.160 you have is gonna be. 1:03:43.120 --> 1:03:43.640 In my d m. 1:03:45.160 --> 1:03:46.680 Who wasn't man who's telling me her? 1:03:46.800 --> 1:03:47.720 He was gonna tell me? 1:03:51.720 --> 1:03:54.640 I don't leave me alone. 1:03:55.760 --> 1:03:59.919 Listen, bro, y'all are man, y'all are history. Man. 1:04:00.800 --> 1:04:02.960 You guys, you guys, and you've done it over and 1:04:03.000 --> 1:04:05.320 over again over and you keep doing it. 1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:09.080 Ship. Shout out to your longevity. Shout out to. 1:04:10.920 --> 1:04:15.840 Just maintaining yourselves, maintaining your mental health. 1:04:16.040 --> 1:04:16.960 Your physical health. 1:04:17.040 --> 1:04:23.600 Yeah, absolutely throughout this journey, man, And and thank you 1:04:23.640 --> 1:04:26.040 for this love, man, And. 1:04:27.760 --> 1:04:30.680 On some realty, like, man, what you guys have put 1:04:30.720 --> 1:04:33.160 together here, just the experience of what it means for 1:04:33.240 --> 1:04:36.240 guys like us to just come chop it up and 1:04:36.920 --> 1:04:39.240 share stories, and just the camaraderie of what this is 1:04:39.280 --> 1:04:41.640 because at the end of the day, man, like we 1:04:41.720 --> 1:04:45.160 needed this years ago where we could just come break 1:04:45.160 --> 1:04:46.880 bread and chop it up as human beings. 1:04:46.880 --> 1:04:47.080 Man. 1:04:47.200 --> 1:04:50.600 And you know a lot of times the game has 1:04:51.000 --> 1:04:54.080 kept us so separated, you know, and. 1:04:54.080 --> 1:04:55.280 There's no governing body. 1:04:55.480 --> 1:05:00.720 Yeah, yeah, so, and we've been such fan of yours 1:05:00.720 --> 1:05:02.200 for a long time. I don't know how we've never 1:05:02.280 --> 1:05:06.080 even been able to leave with and just create and 1:05:06.160 --> 1:05:07.040 build together with you. 1:05:14.160 --> 1:05:15.200 That's all he cares about that. 1:05:18.520 --> 1:05:21.760 And I'm gonna tell you, you know, the reason why you 1:05:21.800 --> 1:05:24.480 guys mean a lot to us is because you guys 1:05:24.520 --> 1:05:27.400 are from the same cloth we're from. You know, the 1:05:27.480 --> 1:05:29.520 expectation of what excellence represents. 1:05:29.560 --> 1:05:31.600 That's all we've ever tried to do throughout our journey. 1:05:32.440 --> 1:05:35.720 And more importantly, because you know, we're doing something that 1:05:35.960 --> 1:05:38.320 based on our skin color, we shouldn't really be able 1:05:38.320 --> 1:05:41.160 to do as well as we do it. But what 1:05:41.320 --> 1:05:43.880 keeps us going is that the kids that look like 1:05:44.000 --> 1:05:47.120 us get to now think beyond what those limitations are, 1:05:48.000 --> 1:05:50.680 you know, and you know, to be embraced by you 1:05:50.720 --> 1:05:52.480 guys and your culture the way we have is a 1:05:52.520 --> 1:05:55.680 blessing and even though we've had to earn it and 1:05:55.720 --> 1:05:58.520 fight for it, but that's rightfully. So, you know, you 1:05:58.600 --> 1:06:01.800 guys are a master of what this this beautiful body 1:06:01.840 --> 1:06:04.120 of music that you guys have created throughout the years 1:06:04.360 --> 1:06:07.760 that we're such fans of and appreciate it and want 1:06:07.760 --> 1:06:09.520 to make sure we pay homage. 1:06:09.080 --> 1:06:11.680 And most importantly do it the right way, you know. 1:06:11.800 --> 1:06:13.240 So to be able to sit in a room with 1:06:13.320 --> 1:06:16.040 you guys, and for you guys to have always embraced 1:06:16.120 --> 1:06:19.440 us and welcome it means a lot, man, Yeah, you know, 1:06:19.560 --> 1:06:22.960 and we and we and because of that, we are 1:06:23.920 --> 1:06:28.240 sticklers for even our own culture that wants to embrace 1:06:28.520 --> 1:06:32.560 black music and introduce it or we're hard on them 1:06:32.720 --> 1:06:34.320 because you have to do it in such a way 1:06:34.320 --> 1:06:38.760 that's excellence, that represents excellence, you know. So thank you guys, man, 1:06:39.000 --> 1:06:41.960 you know, for making us feel a part of the family. 1:06:43.160 --> 1:06:43.480 Family. 1:06:45.400 --> 1:06:45.520 Man. 1:06:45.560 --> 1:06:47.600 I used to look at videos we shared the same 1:06:47.960 --> 1:06:49.400 with the school tours. 1:06:49.720 --> 1:06:54.240 Yes, the early back then, back then. 1:06:54.320 --> 1:06:57.080 Yeah, and the thing is like that's what I say, 1:06:57.160 --> 1:07:01.720 Like the the ones who know, like, no, you know 1:07:01.760 --> 1:07:01.920 what I. 1:07:01.960 --> 1:07:04.360 Mean, You just you can't. You can't fake. 1:07:04.160 --> 1:07:06.240 It and make it in this thing. You either either 1:07:06.280 --> 1:07:09.920 have it or you don't. And he's still pretty Look 1:07:09.960 --> 1:07:11.120 at him, man, he's still. 1:07:13.360 --> 1:07:16.959 Still looked the same way you do, bron Like. 1:07:17.120 --> 1:07:18.760 That's how you know the game to beat him up. 1:07:19.080 --> 1:07:21.240 And you know they'll look at me like, damn, Bob, 1:07:21.360 --> 1:07:22.560 like what do you eat? What are you putting in 1:07:22.560 --> 1:07:23.000 your face? 1:07:23.080 --> 1:07:26.520 Like I have. 1:07:30.960 --> 1:07:31.920 A bald beef. 1:07:34.360 --> 1:07:34.720 Camera. 1:07:38.400 --> 1:07:43.320 Oh yeah, super Bowls, well, you know you got both 1:07:43.400 --> 1:07:44.560 talks of plastic surgery. 1:07:44.600 --> 1:07:46.640 That's what I met. That's what I've got to say. 1:07:46.640 --> 1:07:48.080 It just came out. It just came. 1:07:50.640 --> 1:07:51.200 Every morning. 1:07:51.600 --> 1:07:53.600 I just have too much fun at me because I 1:07:53.600 --> 1:07:55.840 don't take myself that serious and take the art music 1:07:55.880 --> 1:07:59.800 seriously and didn't let it beat me like it could have. 1:08:00.320 --> 1:08:03.480 Now I got some battle wounds, but thank god I'm 1:08:03.480 --> 1:08:05.960 still here, like we will still here right like you know, 1:08:06.560 --> 1:08:07.800 at the end of the day, I just want him 1:08:07.800 --> 1:08:10.640 to say good like, well done, good faithful, sert man. 1:08:10.880 --> 1:08:12.840 You do what you're supposed to do with what what 1:08:12.960 --> 1:08:13.640 I gave you. 1:08:13.760 --> 1:08:16.920 Listen, my name is. This is the R and B 1:08:17.000 --> 1:08:23.959 Money Podcast. Yeah on all things. 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