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Speaker 1: the league. Um, Darren Lee was another first round pick.

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Speaker 1: Gary Conley, I mean good, I mean just Bosa and

430
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Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott alone, You're talking about guys are in the

431
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Speaker 1: top three to four at their position in the entire league,

432
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,800
Speaker 1: like he clearly had and not And I don't know

433
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Speaker 1: that all these guys in this list were all I know.

434
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Speaker 1: Darren Lye was like a three stars. He does have

435
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Speaker 1: a skill of being able to kind of identify fine

436
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 1: recruit players and yos, you know it. I mean college football,

437
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you're gonna want a

438
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,919
Speaker 1: great recruiter over a grade like just that's just what

439
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,920
Speaker 1: it is. When you get to the NFL, recruiting is

440
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,119
Speaker 1: no and void, like this is a level playing field.

441
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 1: Being able to recruit does you nothing. Um, you know,

442
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 1: maybe you can evaluate and can help you summon the draft,

443
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,200
Speaker 1: but you bring it in six to seven to eight guys.

444
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 1: You're not bringing in twenty five new dudes every year.

445
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 1: So I just think it's a different sport. And we've

446
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 1: seen it. Lou Holtz went up there, it was a disaster.

447
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 1: Byby Petrino went up there, it was a disaster. Steve

448
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 1: Spurry went up there, it was a disaster. It's it's

449
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 1: a completely different sport at that level. Yeah, I was

450
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,919
Speaker 1: thinking about that this morning of like one, well he

451
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Speaker 1: coach again, I'm with you, both of you guys, like, yeah,

452
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,679
Speaker 1: he will. I hope it's at a smaller level. I

453
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Speaker 1: hope it's like when he went to bowling green and

454
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Speaker 1: got a rolling rights. It'd be awesome, right, having fun

455
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,640
Speaker 1: again and scheme again. I mean he's look, you can't

456
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Speaker 1: take away his prowess in the game, like guys clearly

457
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Speaker 1: elite in that with the personality set like well, what

458
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Speaker 1: just happened over the course of the last year or

459
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Speaker 1: the last couple of years where things seem to get

460
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Speaker 1: out of whack, or the discipline that we talked about,

461
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,919
Speaker 1: like was it adhere to off the field? And you

462
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 1: look at when guys had gotten in trouble at previous places,

463
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 1: like did you're playing ability to give you a different

464
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 1: backyard based on if you get in the trouble off

465
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Speaker 1: the field? Those things are fair to be addressed by him.

466
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Speaker 1: But overall, it'll be interesting to see if he can

467
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Speaker 1: kind of go do it again somewhere else. I'm sure

468
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Speaker 1: someone would take a shot at him. I'm with you, Buck,

469
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Speaker 1: I think he wants to would I would imagine in

470
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Speaker 1: a couple of years he'd want to go do it again.

471
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Speaker 1: But overall, I do think that the player has changed

472
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Speaker 1: as well. Right, and the player to me in the

473
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Speaker 1: recruiting scene, they only care about what just happened next,

474
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Speaker 1: that's it. They want like Lincoln Riley's gonna kill because

475
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Speaker 1: he was gonna seefp three times. They're not talking about

476
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Speaker 1: uh A hundred plus first round picks at USC. They're

477
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Speaker 1: talking about what happened just now, three guys within the

478
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Speaker 1: Heisman top draft picks, Kyler, Murray, et cetera. That's just

479
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Speaker 1: what they care about. And that's what I think even

480
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Speaker 1: happened when he went to Ohio State, but he was

481
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Speaker 1: a name. He'll still have that cash j and I

482
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Speaker 1: remember recruits telling me on Urban called me it was like, whoa,

483
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Speaker 1: my pe. I think he'll probably still have that in

484
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Speaker 1: another year or two with sixteen seventeen year olds at

485
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Speaker 1: that time. Yeah, I wondered by that. Um Yo, I

486
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: think you bring up a good thing because you talked

487
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Speaker 1: about like how people reacting to either storm. I think

488
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Speaker 1: it's interesting. I'm gonna use Urban to get to talk

489
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Speaker 1: about Pete Carroll because this year I think was Pete's

490
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Speaker 1: hard as year and he but as on admission, said

491
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Speaker 1: that like, hey man, this losing stuff as hard. They

492
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Speaker 1: win a five game losing streak or whatever the lord

493
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Speaker 1: behol I'm not saying that they turned it around. But

494
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Speaker 1: then they're sitting at four and they still have a chance.

495
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Speaker 1: Knowing what you know about Pete Carroll having to handle

496
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Speaker 1: that adversity, what was the difference in the way that

497
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Speaker 1: they responded, the way Urban responded, compared to the way

498
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Speaker 1: Pete has responded and the way that you've seen him

499
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Speaker 1: respond in crisis. I think to me, it always comes

500
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Speaker 1: down to one word, which is hope. If you do

501
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Speaker 1: you do you have that as a team, like I

502
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: look at like look at Arizona in college football. They

503
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Speaker 1: won one game every they played as though it was

504
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: like the national championship. Jed Fish got it going. He

505
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: learned it from Pete, He learned from Belichick and from McVeigh,

506
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 1: all guys around his coaching sphere. Pete same deal, right.

507
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: He leans so hard on what is our style gonna be? Man,

508
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: And it's never been about Sunday or it's never about Saturday.

509
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Speaker 1: When we were together at SC, it was always about like,

510
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Speaker 1: and you guys know this competition Tuesday or competition Wednesday.

511
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: Now in the NFL, like making the day of the

512
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Speaker 1: focus and making sure guys believe and have hope that

513
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Speaker 1: they can go win. I got to imagine in Jacksonville,

514
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Speaker 1: at least if you just read reports. You guys are

515
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: dialed in more than I am. It felt like there

516
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: was no hope. And the league's hard because the minute

517
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: you're out of the playoffs, it's kind of like, try,

518
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: don't get hurt, at least perceptually. Let's get through the

519
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: season and just keep it moving and make sure we

520
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: get paid, versus like, can you keep it connected? And

521
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Speaker 1: Pete is magical at that best I've ever seen in

522
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Speaker 1: terms of keeping guys connected together, believing like, hey, we're

523
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Speaker 1: gonna keep building this thing, keep swinging and keep swinging

524
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Speaker 1: and keep swinging. And I'm not surprised that he's done it.

525
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Speaker 1: And as I said, the best guys, I don't care

526
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Speaker 1: what David Shaw, And again I'm in college David Shaw,

527
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Speaker 1: whether Chip con guys that really have a dialed in

528
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: philosophical approach, Chris Peterson. When it's hard, it's hard, but man,

529
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 1: they kind of love it because they're tested, and that's

530
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Speaker 1: where it all comes out from the staff standpoint, or

531
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: it's when it all splinters and falls apart. And I

532
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: bet every level of football is very similar to that analogy.

533
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you can. You can just watch

534
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Speaker 1: the tape and see I mean, I hate. I don't

535
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: want to use a Q word. I'm not saying that

536
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: the team quit, but that was a Lesson inspired bunch.

537
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: When you watched them on the field, it was the

538
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: play on the field was reminiscent of Urban's handshick. After

539
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 1: the game was over, it was a down, depressed, defeated

540
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: UM group. And I think, you know, I think that's

541
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Speaker 1: to me if you're shot Khan, I think once you

542
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: see that and you're like, there's no coming back from that. Once,

543
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 1: once the team has tuned out everything that you're saying, Um,

544
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: the respect is van, There's there's no coming back from that. Man.

545
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't think you really have a choice. UM, yos,

546
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: I want to I want to transition a little bit here.

547
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: Why we got you to talk about some of these quarterbacks,

548
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: because we've got kind of intriguing quarterback class coming up. UM.

549
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: I know with the Elite leven, all the work that

550
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: you do there, Bucky's there with you as well. You

551
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 1: get a chance to to kind of see these kids

552
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: and be around him. I guess the first one I'd

553
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: love to ask you about is down there at Old

554
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: Miss with Lane Uh and Matt Corrall, who's coming off

555
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: a phenomenal season and who's got a lot of juice

556
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: and a lot of buzz right now. Huge fan of

557
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: Matt Okay, the pastors easy. It doesn't take many throws

558
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: to figure out he can deal. But we remember him

559
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: Buck from the Elite eleven. This is a guy who

560
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: at one time was a long time s C commit, right,

561
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: and then things didn't go really smoothly on a visit

562
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: for him, and he's trying to find a new home.

563
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: I think he then committed a Florida memory serves me right,

564
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: obviously didn't go there and anyway told miss and I

565
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: think the best thing for him was getting out of

566
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: Southern California. These guys like every everything in context, but

567
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: his upbringing wasn't the smoothest. He had his own challenges,

568
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: and I think that the development of a high school recruit,

569
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: when so many eyes are on them and they were

570
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: committing to schools like USC or Florida or come to

571
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: the Elite eleven like, it is bonkers how much attention

572
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: they have. Here's the example. I do this every year

573
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: the opening day at the Elite eleven, when the media

574
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: is around to be around quarterbacks, I go up and

575
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: I turned my back to the media and I just

576
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: listened in and I'm like, all right, what are they

577
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: gonna say? And Matt Corrall, like every quarterback preceding him,

578
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: gave the same political answer. I just want to compete.

579
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: I want to get better that all these guys they're

580
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: just mimicking the actions they see on NFL network, Um

581
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: they see on television from their quarterbacks. They don't really

582
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: have any answers. So when they get in our environment,

583
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: you guys have been there, we try to like teach

584
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: them emotional intelligence, which is do you have the capacity

585
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: to deal with your thoughts and the thoughts of others

586
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: with empathy? And do you have any not even mastery,

587
00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: but do you have any knowledge around who you are,

588
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: which stand for. And I've seen Matt Corrall go through

589
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: that journey, and I think if you mirror that with

590
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin's journey, they were kind of the perfect marriage

591
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: for these last two seasons in college football. They've both

592
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: been criticized in their own right, They've both had lows,

593
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: they both had epic highs. And I think that Matt

594
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: is going to come out in the NFL with a

595
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: guy who's gonna have some superpowers, and it's not just

596
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: gonna be his right arm. It's gonna be like that.

597
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: I've been through some you know what. And it started

598
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: out in tenth grade when there was a rumor that

599
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: I got into a fist fight right in my high

600
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: school because he went to a huge high school. And

601
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: then it happened when I d committed. Did I get dropped?

602
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: Did I not? And then it happened in my next visits,

603
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: and then it happened when I was at you know,

604
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: played in the SEC, and then I had all this

605
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: hype in the Bama game and we didn't play great.

606
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: Like I just think his body of experiences to me

607
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: says I will ride with that dude, and I think

608
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: locker rooms are gonna love him. I hope he gets

609
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: a quarterback coach, o c head coach that will continue

610
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: to develop them versus think these guys are finished products

611
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,239
Speaker 1: emotionally and mentally when they come in because they're not,

612
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: especially now. But man, Matt has all this stuff to

613
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: be a starter in the NFL, not just a guy

614
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: on a roster. Okay, now, I can't remember if Kenny

615
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: Picky came through Elite eleven or came through the process.

616
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: But I know he's a Pitt Panther, So I know

617
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: that you. I mean, maybe I'll do the same when

618
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: we talk about Sam how but tell me about the

619
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: Pitt Panther and what what what what makes him so special? Yeah?

620
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: So Kenny came through the Elite eleven camp circuit. He

621
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,239
Speaker 1: never made it to the finals, but he was that

622
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: guy that showed up with enthusiasm and intensity like what

623
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kind of like Joe Barrow. I remember Joe Barrow,

624
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: ohiose date and he was in line too, right in

625
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: line one is like the A Listers if you and

626
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: he was like, they don't know that. They don't know

627
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: that if any team is supreme team, they don't know

628
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: that the supreme team is the beat Listers. They don't know.

629
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Speaker 1: Well we've adjusted since that that Faple Day and Columbus

630
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: by the way. Um, but he's very similar to Joe

631
00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: of like he has this like competitive insane station ability

632
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: to him. I remember being on Pitts campus in training

633
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: camp three summers ago and he couldn't really tell. Then

634
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: You're like it's a mixed bag. But talking to him

635
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: or connected with him, and of course the staff had

636
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: pitted in the offseason and throughout the year that has

637
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: gone on. They they love the fact that he came back,

638
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: not just because they won the A C C, but

639
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 1: because he came back and got to develop what I

640
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: just referenced, which is the emotional intelligence side. I just

641
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Speaker 1: think the college is so often now seen as like

642
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Speaker 1: a stepping stone in the NFL versus a place where

643
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Speaker 1: you can process who you are as a player, as

644
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Speaker 1: a passer, but then also like the inner dialogue that

645
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: you have as justin Herbert, why he came back for

646
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: a senior year, it wasn't because he wanted to be

647
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: just a top ten pick. It's because you want to

648
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Speaker 1: be able to handle an NFL locker room. D J.

649
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: You know him as well as anybody right, like you're

650
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: around him every week almost. So I just think that

651
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: very similarly with the COVID bonus year for Kenny Pickett,

652
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: he came back and got to just settle in comfortably

653
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: who he is. Like look at his postgame interviews. Of

654
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: course they're kind of funny because he's I'm gonna have

655
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: a cold he or whatever he says, uh, but he's

656
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: got a comfort in his own skin. And I think

657
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: now in this era, it's so hard because you're constantly

658
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: being told who you are and what you are as

659
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: a quarterback in the landscape which is major college football.

660
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: And Kenny, I think he'll walk in and want to,

661
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: as you said earlier, learn develop and then he'll go

662
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: compete and I think the right situation, he could be

663
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Speaker 1: a starter as well in the NFL. I want to

664
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Speaker 1: ask you kind of an overarching theme before I let

665
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Speaker 1: a buck get you to howell and uh and you

666
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: guys can just talk about all your alma maters the

667
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: whole time. Man, good night. Um No, I'm just curious

668
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: because on a big picture quarterback wise, is we're kind

669
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Speaker 1: of getting into our draft prep and getting ready. You

670
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: have a unique perspective because you get a chance to

671
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: see these kids as young kids, um, as well as

672
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Speaker 1: kind of falling the ones that have been some really

673
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Speaker 1: good ones just referenced justin Herbert that have come to

674
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Speaker 1: the pack. But when you go back and kind of

675
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: look back on it, are there maybe one one warning

676
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: sign you might see with a young kid that would

677
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Speaker 1: that you've been able to track over the years and say, Okay,

678
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: this is show it up. That's not good, that's that's

679
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: kind of been a little bit of a tell and

680
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: maybe one thing that's a positive indicator these guys are

681
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: going to have success. Oh yeah, I think there's a

682
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: lot right Like number one, you look at their community.

683
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: Like I say this especially let's just go SC as

684
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: an example, I think oftentimes outside of us, see their

685
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: reality is your five star, you just announced your three

686
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: and out, you've been committed for two or three years.

687
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: You first offer was an eighth grade as a quarterback,

688
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: and your reality is you're supposed to be the dude.

689
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: Then you're walk into the building and the film says

690
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: you're not the dude. Your teammates, no, you're not the dude,

691
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: and those two things clash and pull out one another.

692
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: Very rarely do we see some of these huge recruits

693
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: maximize potential. Tate Martell's an incredible example. Unfortunately offer an

694
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: eighth grade committed to Washington. He should be talked about

695
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 1: in the NFL draft. Right, if you guys looked at

696
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: this show five, six, seven years ago, he'd be a

697
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: guy we'd be talking about. Well, he never started a quarterback, right,

698
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: and now he's at U and l V walked on

699
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: just to kind of be a part of a healthy

700
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: environment with Marcus Royal. Thank God for him to have

701
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: Marcus say, hey, come on to our roster, versus the

702
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: guy that just gets trashed everywhere he goes. He was

703
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: living up to an expectation, never lost a game, never

704
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: lost a seven on seven game, was living the three

705
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: stripe life. Like all the stuff these kids think they

706
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: should be doing, and how can you even have a

707
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: sense of self? Right? So the first thing I look

708
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: at is like, what is their environment and is it?

709
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: Is it reality? Right? When I meet these guys sometimes

710
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: I see him in spring football, in their visits. I

711
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: remember dj O Young was on his visit to Oregon

712
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: when I called the spring in a couple of years ago.

713
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: What's he operating like? Right? What does he have? Humility? Like?

714
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Speaker 1: What's what's his respect? Like? He was really impressive to

715
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: the same deal. He kind of go down the list,

716
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: and I think when I see him in the summer,

717
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Speaker 1: number one, I asked about their environment. I had a

718
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: player I'll never forget it, his John Pass who was

719
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: at Louisville, who I did a piece on his mom.

720
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: He could see it online. She had beaten cancer and

721
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: she was so proud of herself. She told her son, Hey,

722
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm cancer free. Was the most amazing moment. Then off

723
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: to the side, I talked to her and said, tell

724
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: me about your son. He's like, my baby's gonna get

725
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: us to the NFL. And the minute I heard that,

726
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: my heart broke a little bit because he had the

727
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: NFL tattooed on his arm, right, had his expectation and

728
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: didn't know the environment he was walking into. But he's

729
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: labeled as a whatever. If he doesn't live up to that,

730
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: that is not fair to him. So I say environment,

731
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: and that's a big discussion. That's a whole show for

732
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: us of like what is the environment of a quarterback

733
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: when they're coming up? So that's where I start. The

734
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: second thing is how do they learn? Okay, you have

735
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: to be able to pass, you still have to be

736
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: able to hit spots. Like we've seen that you're inconsistent

737
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: in high school. You're probably consistent everywhere. He's been two

738
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: quarterbacks drafted that had a losing record in high school

739
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: I think in the last twenty years, right, and you

740
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: have to be a winner. You have to be able

741
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: to hit spots. But overall, for me, the other side

742
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: of that, how do you learn and most of these

743
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: guys when they walk into our meeting and we're like,

744
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: drop your favorite play. You should see them sweat. We

745
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: we saw we were in the room a couple of

746
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: years ago, remember when Trent Balky was in the room

747
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: with us and we did it with It was to

748
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: Jalen hurts Manny Wilkins, Jared Stidham, Drew Lock. I think

749
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting one or two other guys that were in

750
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: the room and he's like, drop your favorite play, and

751
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: then he started talking about He's like how many brothers

752
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: and sisters? Yea, and one of the quarterbacks up on

753
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: the board like pausing, like and he's like, I'm testing

754
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: you to see if you can do it while I'm

755
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: asking you questions. Can you process? How do you learn?

756
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: So that's the next thing that I go to of

757
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: like what's their process like? And and we have to

758
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: strip them down and say, hey, it's okay, let's drop

759
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: what cover two looks like, Let's drop what a post

760
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: player looks like. That though, that to me is is

761
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: really fun for us. And then kind of seeing where

762
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: those guys go from it, and that's where you notice,

763
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: like justin fields, one of the best learners I've ever

764
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: been around him, and Jamie is still to this day

765
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: or the two and two are the three most elite

766
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: players I've seen, and Trevor those four. It's like those

767
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: four and then everybody else fifteen years now at a

768
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: leadle love it and it was there in factor. It

769
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: was how they learned. It was their note taking, it

770
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: was their uh seriousness, it was their ability to joke

771
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: and relate, not take them tell too seriously. It was

772
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: their community. Um, not a lot of drama, but go

773
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: back to the initial open of the show and not

774
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: a lot of dramas. Yeah, Um, it's funny because I

775
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: was gonna ask you about see him how But then

776
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: you bring up the in factor thing, Um, can you

777
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: define that part of it? Because like Yogan doing, I

778
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: think I've done the elite eleventh thing for maybe ten

779
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: or twelve years, been around it. But like you can

780
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: just sense when the guy has the stuff right and

781
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: you can talk about the environment and all the other stuff,

782
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: but like, how would you quantify that in fact that

783
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: that we all know because we're on the sideline, We're like, oh, yeah,

784
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: he got it. That that that one that one has.

785
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: These other guys may but this one. He has it like,

786
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: what is that? If you can put it into words? Sure, Sure,

787
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: we put it into a documentary to his year. We

788
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: did a documentary called The Factory, and we went around

789
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: and interviewed NFL coaches. It was Russell was p It

790
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 1: was all of our community as well as Trenton, you guys,

791
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: and we we jammed on that. And where I netted

792
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: out and I think we collectively is in the legal

793
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: eleven unit and added out and the factors defined following.

794
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: You walk into the room, people feel your presence. That

795
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: could be good or bad. The second part is and

796
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: you make them better. To Atolo is my favorite story

797
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: at the Elite eleven. He doesn't say a curse word,

798
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: doesn't have a negative bone in his body, but he

799
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: can connect with a kid from South Florida, a kid

800
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: from Lake in Nebraska, a kid from Brooklyn, New York,

801
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: and it and he just met him and you saw

802
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: this infectious quality and people were drawn to him and

803
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: he made him better. Like I just think that's it.

804
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: I do a show now on the Pactol called The Factory.

805
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: We're literally we done. Cavon Thibodeaux, Keaton Slowe like all

806
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: of our stars come on it and that's what we

807
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: talk about. What is it for you? And can you

808
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: see it? And is it working? That's fantastic. I want

809
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: to I know we're running a little long on time here,

810
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: but you mentioned Thibodeaux. Um just your take on him,

811
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: something about him. Maybe we don't know. You're around him

812
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: a lot more than we are. We'll get a chance

813
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: to dig in and know him a lot better as

814
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: we go through the process here, but obviously in the

815
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: mix to be the number one overall pick. What what

816
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: have you? What have you learned about him? Okay, well,

817
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: we all see the game record stuff like we know

818
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: that third down find a better guy in the country,

819
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: probably not coming off the edge, Marto Christo Ball said it.

820
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: I've been around him enough. We had him at the

821
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: at the opening, a little leven et CETERA fast star

822
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: work ethic man. You talked to his decordinators, whether it's

823
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: Andy Avelos or Tim de Ruter, five star work ethic

824
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: and I think that, yes, he did extremely well in

825
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: n I L. But he's a businessman and a football player,

826
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's anything wrong with that dynamic.

827
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: I think sometimes when teams lose players get cast a

828
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: little bit of shade of like, oh, is he focused

829
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: just because he's doing something that's never been done in

830
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: the first year that was even legal, which is n

831
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: I l So I look at him as a hyper

832
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: focused guy, UM, very aware and a and and a technician.

833
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: Like we did a piece on him on the Pack

834
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: twelve of like the art of the past rush, And

835
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: I just think that for most players, at times it's

836
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat you because I'm better than you. For him,

837
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: he's really become a detailed player over three years, and

838
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: you could just watch Pactal Championship game. Freshman year was

839
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: just faster, Sophomore year was more of a technician. This

840
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: year he was challenged at times against Utah, probably one

841
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: of the better offensive lines in the Pact twelve. But

842
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: still I think hands chad skill set, all that stuff

843
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: is is really impressive. But what I love most is

844
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: how that that guy thinks he'll be able to He'll

845
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: fit in great in the locker room. They'll be a

846
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: total team guy and somebody that you can make a

847
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: face of a franchise. You know, I want to get

848
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: off the draft. I don't want to ask you this

849
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: last question because you mentioned it brief, you talked about

850
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 1: N I L. We were actually all together, uh downa

851
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: Redonda when the N I L stuff kind of was

852
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: ratified and approved. How do you think, how do you

853
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: believe or how have you seen the N I L

854
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: changed the landscape not only of recruiting and death stuff,

855
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: but team building and connectivity. What do you think has

856
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: been the biggest challenge that coaches or everyone is facing

857
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: with N I M louis impact and players? We need

858
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: another hour, bro? We were you know? You know that

859
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: Starbucks at the Torrance Marriott, right. I remember walking into

860
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: it and I will never forget this either. I walk

861
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: in and I see Spencer Rattler in the back corner

862
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: with an agent and his parents aren't there, and I'm

863
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: saying it's interesting, and I know the agent is cool.

864
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: It comes up to me, Hey, yo, what's happening? And

865
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: I see Spencer signing these things, and I'm saying to myself,

866
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: welcome to a totally new era. I'm watching an elite player.

867
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: Heisman candidate touted as the number one pick, signed with

868
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: the marketing agent in a freaking Starbucks on July one,

869
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: Like it was just like out of like It wasn't

870
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: even out of a movie. It was like, no, that's

871
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: an outtake, like that can't even make the final cut,

872
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: Like this is crazy that it's happening, but it's real.

873
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: So I start there just to showcase like it was

874
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 1: a little bit of chaotic. Now here we are. It's

875
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: the first signing class with an I. We've got players

876
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: at Texas reportedly I'm gonna make fifty g s if

877
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: you're on the offensive line. Right. We saw Queen Yours

878
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: leave high school early to go to Ohio State, make

879
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: one point whatever, and now sign to Texas, And I

880
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: wonder why. I think, now there's like a strategy. But

881
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: if I'm an elite player, why wouldn't I go to

882
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: the biggest offer, go get paid whatever I'm gonna get paid,

883
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: and then transfer the next year to where where I

884
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: wanted to go. I was jacked up, but I can

885
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: see it working. And and I when I talked to

886
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: players and their families, it's all to me about like short,

887
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: short money versus long money. And I still think that

888
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: college athletes are are dramatically under leveraging their school. I

889
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: look at the Fat five, one of the best brands

890
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: in the history of sport those guys are. I would

891
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: hope whoever they're working with is making them bank off

892
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: of that brand that they leverage because of that Michigan

893
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: and Nike swoosh and that Michigan logo. I hope that

894
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: players are understanding that the university they go to, no

895
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: matter if it's a one and a half million dollar

896
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: deal with a kombucha company Ohio States logo, will do

897
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: more for Queen yours than that n I L deal

898
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: or Texas logo will do more for him than the

899
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 1: n I L deal. And I hope that guys don't

900
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: get disconnected to that. And the coaches, man, they're they're like,

901
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: it's a new world. We don't speak the language, we

902
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: don't know the population, and we don't know the rules,

903
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: and they're not being enforced. If there are rules, like

904
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: you can't incentivize to play, but it seems as though

905
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: people are being incentivized to attend and play right and

906
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: there's a zero enforcement. So it's it's an ugly time

907
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: in college football. Um, the only way I was from

908
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: myself and a third can't mess with so at least

909
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: that game, I said last one. But this is the

910
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 1: last final thing because this and I we were trying

911
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: to like look into the future of what this could

912
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: look like. Um. I was talking to Clap the other

913
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: day and we were kind of workshop and that's how

914
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: crazy this could get. Would you be surprised if, like

915
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: the year two from now, like four of the top

916
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: players in college football could be a quarterback, running back, receiver,

917
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: pass rusher, if they banded together and said we are

918
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: we are a package deal all four of us. You

919
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: can get all the whatever companies you want to get,

920
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: give us your best offer, and all four of us

921
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: will travel to your team. It's just like you talk

922
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: about a college super team. Um, that could be coming.

923
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: I mean you think about all the Oil money with

924
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: with A and M and Texas, and think about all

925
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: you know, the Nike money with organ think about the

926
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: package that some of those places could put together if

927
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: they were going to get It's like you're buying a

928
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: national championship. Yeah, it's kind of nuts when you know,

929
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: because that's obviously illegal what you just reference. You can't

930
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: present a package to anybody, but you can say, hey,

931
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: I've got like worth three on the screen. Now, I

932
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: got three slot slots at X school that three players

933
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: can come fit in and we've got these nine companies.

934
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: They're gonna be split three different ways. Like that, that's

935
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: the way that it would be shaped. I would say

936
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: if I was even advising athletes, I would say, well,

937
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: why do you think even bigger than that? Because those

938
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: deals can get dropped. I'm wondering, like, where's the media

939
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: company coming. We're just saying, hey, DJ and Bucky, I

940
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: love your show, but either gonna pay me or actually,

941
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do all my interviews on whatever website,

942
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: or we see some of this stuff. We've seen some

943
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: of this stuff. I think like a m like players

944
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: have kind of done exclusive content. Collins got his whole thing.

945
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: Collin's got his podcast with different with different I think

946
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: he's got a Notre Dame one and a couple of

947
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: different ones. But it's I'm just saying like it's endless,

948
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: and that the thing is the school can get covered

949
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: because they can just stay out of it and just

950
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: say like what we used to say about I mean,

951
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: everybody knows how dirty college basketball is. But that's all

952
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: the shoe companies. The shoe companies saying Okay, we've got

953
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: these three kids, Well we're not gonna put him at

954
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: a at a school that's sponsored by somebody other than us.

955
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: So here's your three options of the three programs you

956
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: can go to. You know, it's up to you. Yeah,

957
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: and think about how that is from a coaching standpoint.

958
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot of coaches obviously prepping for siding.

959
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: It's gross and yeah, and what it's gonna do is

960
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 1: and we've seen the waves. Right. A couple of years ago,

961
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: it was everybody wanted to get to the end. About

962
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, every coach wanted to get to the

963
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: NFL for job security, and then it flipped and they

964
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: were like, no, I want to go to college, signed

965
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: a three year deal. And now I think the trend

966
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: may begin of Man, I just can't. I can't manage

967
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 1: all this because you're right, like the school isn't even managing.

968
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: Like I called a bunch of games out West and

969
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: I would ask the respective S I D S, Hey,

970
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: what n I L deal does your quarterback app And

971
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, we're not really sure. We've seen

972
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: some of these and I'm like, can you imagine me

973
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: in the head coach and not knowing? Now, granted, NFL

974
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: teams don't know every deal there and Rogers said, but

975
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers mind is developed, and that's where I still

976
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 1: go even on this portal thing of like these kids

977
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: still haven't developed, right, It's it's worse than free agency.

978
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: Free agency has a time period. They're grown men that

979
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: have probably worked through at least one contract. These are

980
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: nineteen year old kids that are in free agency, and

981
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: it's already grows right Dabbo who I'm not a fan

982
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: of everything he says, but what he said about tampering,

983
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: I think it's exactly right because because kids are calling

984
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: schools saying, hey, if I enter the portal, do I

985
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: have a spot? So now like coaches are saying, well

986
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: do I get in the game or do I uphold

987
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: some sort of integrity? I don't know, Like like, I

988
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: like elements of it. I like elements of it that

989
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: the kids are getting. The kids are getting be able

990
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: to profit off of what they've done. But you knew

991
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: once that little inch was given that there was going

992
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: to be a mile that was taken. And I can

993
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: kind of go in a different direction, but I do

994
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: think the elements of it are healthy that you know,

995
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: like you around Reggie, like you imagine what Reggie was

996
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: really worth during during those years, like I think every

997
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: kid should get N I L was incredible and even

998
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: the unintended consequences. We gotta deal with the problem that

999
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: we have currently is there's no structure around anything. There's

1000
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: just no structure on anything. Like, right, what was it

1001
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: one of the first rules you can sign with an

1002
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: n I L agent, then when you go to the NFL,

1003
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: he can't be your real agent. What is that about?

1004
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: Like why would we do that? I can already tell

1005
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: you for a fact that's not the case totally, of

1006
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: course it's not. But the point I'm like, I just

1007
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: think that there needs to be And I've said this

1008
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: for a decade now, and I'd imagine you'd agree. College

1009
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: football has gotten so big and the CFP claims to

1010
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: be an event company, which it is, but they've also become,

1011
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: along with ESPN, the presidents of college football. But there's

1012
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: no enforcement of rules under that presidency. It's all just

1013
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: marketing of the games and the rights around these teams.

1014
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: We need a building. I don't care where it is.

1015
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: Top floors, power five, second floor, is a group of five,

1016
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: one double a whatever, and just have some oversight to

1017
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: this sport because it's it's it's getting out of whack

1018
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: and what's going to happen. Guys are gonna sign great

1019
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: deals and I hope they get the most money possible.

1020
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: But the problem is, what I'm worried about most is

1021
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: the mental health of these players because they're putting on there.

1022
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: They're put on such a pedestal. Atlet eleven is a

1023
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: great example. We do it to him too, and then

1024
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: they don't play, right, think about it. Years ago we

1025
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: named it eltle m m v P went to u

1026
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: C l A, never played. That's hard to deal with,

1027
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: like you can have on any of these guys that

1028
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: have gone through the process. And now you added and

1029
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: I al and all this bod Like I'm worried if

1030
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: Queen yours doesn't play. He's a sweet kid. He never

1031
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: asked to be to get blown up after Steve Foxson's

1032
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: quarterback camp, which just happened, and I need to deal

1033
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: with it, Like I still just think that and Dr

1034
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: Jerve talks about it all the time of like the

1035
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: mental development doesn't really complete until you're twenty five or so.

1036
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: We're asking these guys to make decisions and people in

1037
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: their lives It's just that's the part that that my

1038
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: heart kind of breaks a little bit for we're where

1039
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: we are in college football. Well, dude, you've been super

1040
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: generous at your time. We kept you along today, yo,

1041
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: beause I know you've got a sign or a schedule

1042
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: release show to get to here coming up for the

1043
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: Pack twelve. See what the schedule looks like. I would

1044
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: just add that if we could go back in time

1045
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: and have n I led during our era, Yogi would

1046
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: have made so much money off of the crew Gael.

1047
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: He would have rushed, he would have crushed. Yeah, Hey,

1048
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: I'm still taking deals, you know, still taking Come on down, uh,

1049
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: surf flax, you name it. You're open for business. Baby. Hey,

1050
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: you're the best. Yuggs. We appreciate your time. Man, have

1051
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: a great day, cool man. I hope to see it's

1052
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: in ballgames, as they say, all right, Bucks. Always great

1053
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: to catch up with yogs Man. He's really salt of

1054
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: the earth and I think always adds a great perspective. Yeah,

1055
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: I mean like he does does a great job and

1056
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: what he um, what is involved in all the many

1057
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: things that he's involved with, from production to being in

1058
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: front of the camera to working with the kids at

1059
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 1: the Elite eleven camps and stuff like. I just think

1060
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: he has a great feel for what's going on, Like

1061
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: he has his finger on the pulse. And so it

1062
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: was great to have that conversation about so many different things,

1063
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 1: from leadership to the quarterbacks that we will talk about

1064
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Speaker 1: that are on the horizon for internet class, to then

1065
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: just talking about some of the stuff that the n

1066
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: i L has done, the impact the game and how

1067
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of changed a lot of it for college coaches,

1068
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: and and the way that you build a team. I mean,

1069
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: it's just a different world now. Yeah, And I l think, oh,

1070
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: make sure I'm kind of clear on that, because I

1071
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: do like the fact that kids are getting a chance

1072
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: to get compensated for for the value that they bring

1073
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: at the college level. I I'm also like, I think

1074
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: you can have both opinions, right, I'm glad they're able

1075
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: to get compensated. On the other side, As a kind

1076
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: of someone who grew up as a coach, you know,

1077
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: if you grew up as a coach and kind of

1078
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: what you're doing you're coach in high school and say

1079
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: you just keep moving on up the ladder, I don't

1080
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: think it would be something that I want to do.

1081
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: Like I got out of scouting because I didn't want

1082
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: to the background work that you had to do. You

1083
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: almost more of a private investigator than somebody who wanted

1084
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: to watch football, you know, evaluate players, ranked players, like

1085
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: That's what was my passion. So the scouting world kind

1086
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: of left me because I didn't want to go the

1087
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: way that it was going. I can see there's going

1088
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: to be some coaches that say, man, I just wanted

1089
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: to coach ball. I just want to you know, work

1090
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: with players, develop young men and and then uh, you know,

1091
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: put together game plans in terms of trying to coordinate

1092
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: sponsorships and and and deals like that might be a

1093
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: little out of their wheelhouse. Yeah, it might be out

1094
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: of their wheel So I'm gonna say this, and I

1095
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: think we'd be remiss if we didn't kind of acknowledge

1096
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: the fact that, Um, the way, the reason why there's

1097
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: been so much of an outroar the last couple of

1098
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: days has been because Dion Sanders, a former colleague at

1099
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: NFL Network NFL me you, Um, he was able to

1100
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: flip the number one prospect in the land and Travis Hunter.

1101
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: He decommitted from Florida State. He ends up at Jackson State.

1102
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: Jackson State is a hbc U UM historically and predominantly

1103
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: black college that um I was playing eleven and one.

1104
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: They play at a lower level, but you typically don't

1105
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: see a five star player with that kind of pedigree

1106
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: make his way down UM to play for Jackson State.

1107
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: And part of that has been fueled by Dean Sanders

1108
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: obviously personality and this coaching pedigree and that stuff, but

1109
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: also maybe the n I L deal that they were

1110
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: able to secure for Hunter to come down there. And

1111
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: so when you see those kinds of things and you

1112
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: see a different player in the game with the Dean

1113
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: Sanders in't like it is completely upset the apple cart.

1114
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: And so now you're beginning to wonder, like some of

1115
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: these other schools that maybe you didn't necessarily consider threats

1116
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: to kind of pluck and secure top players. Now they're

1117
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: in the game, depending on what kind of backing they

1118
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: can get from those in their community and and and

1119
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: and around the program. Yeah, it's a game change, and

1120
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that people are going to

1121
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: be uncomfortable with, particularly old school coaches who are used

1122
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: to doing it in a certain way. And now doesn't

1123
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: operate like that. I mean, we had coach Brown on back,

1124
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: Brown from North Carolina. He was talking about just the

1125
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: exasperation in dealing with those players who are going to

1126
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: the transfer port after one year or after bad game

1127
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: or after you maybe coach them hard and they don't

1128
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: like that. It's a different thing as a coach. Now,

1129
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: you better have a bunch of people skills to be

1130
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: able to navigate this. And your people skills need to

1131
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: be on par with your xs and oes, because if

1132
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: you can't communicate and navigate and kind of keep it

1133
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: all together, it's gonna be hard for you to feel

1134
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: the team that is able to play at their potential

1135
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: potential because you have so many guys kind of looking

1136
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: out for themselves under the guise of a team. Yeah,

1137
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: it's a great point. And I did see an interview

1138
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: with Prime this morning where he's he kind of refuted

1139
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 1: that some of the rumors that were out there about

1140
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: bar stool and pen game and kind of coordinating to

1141
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: give this kid like a million and a half dollars.

1142
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: He said that was ridiculous. So he he he refutes that.

1143
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: The one thing I my point on the Dion thing,

1144
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: which I'm stoked for him. He's able to get this done.

1145
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: But this, to me was a proof of concept. So

1146
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: when Dion is up for these jobs at these power programs,

1147
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: and you can go in there and say, man, I

1148
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: I promise you trust me, I can recruit. I'll be

1149
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: able to get big time dudes in here, and they go, well,

1150
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: you know he's promising us he can just like, no, no, no,

1151
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: this is proof of concept. This is the number one

1152
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: player in the country. I got to come to Jackson State.

1153
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: Now you're here in a Power five team. You don't

1154
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 1: think I can get kids like this is my proof

1155
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: of concept. And oh guess what. By the way, even

1156
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: though he can't, you can't say it exactly like this.

1157
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: If I come, who do you think is gonna come

1158
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: with me? You know? And that's what I would tell

1159
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: the kid, like, because if I'm that kid's parents, I

1160
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: would say, Okay, I want my son to play for you, coach,

1161
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: But I'm a little bit worried that you're eleven and one,

1162
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: you have one more good year. You're getting a bigger

1163
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: job than my son. What about my son? And we've

1164
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: seen before, we look at look at the the quarterback,

1165
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: who's I believe at Western Kentucky right who came from

1166
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: Houston Baptist. I believe his coordinator came with him, his

1167
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: receiver came with him. They all kind of moved up

1168
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: a level. So why you know, if Dion can collect

1169
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: some talent there, it's almost like, not only you're gonna

1170
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: get me, You're gonna get me in a collection of

1171
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 1: some kids that would you know, potentially come with me. Yeah,

1172
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: it'd be interesting, man. Um Like, I am surprised not

1173
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: at how how productive and how successful Dan has been

1174
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: at Jackson Street on the field, but just look, man,

1175
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: It's one thing to be a visionary and to say, hey,

1176
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: I have a vision for how we're going to do

1177
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: this is another thing to make it come true. And

1178
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 1: you're right, everyone's taking notice because that was a I mean,

1179
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: that was a trimmer that he sent through the college

1180
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: football landscape and it it definitely is an eye opening experience.

1181
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean, this is Dion Sanders now, Like for all

1182
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: those people that are surprised, like, this is Dion prime

1183
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: time Sanders, Like, there is not a cooler human being

1184
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: on planet Earth. And if you thought he wouldn't be

1185
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: able to relate and to be able to recruit. Then

1186
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: you have been paying attention for the last twenty five years. Well,

1187
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Did you just think about that, Like

1188
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: d M was the player when when I was in college,

1189
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: liked M was the thing, like to still be relevant

1190
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: like thirty years later, based on like like a memory,

1191
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 1: it's it's Jordan's yes, in terms of like is impact

1192
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:24,959
Speaker 1: and the fact he is the Jordan. He's the Jordan

1193
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: for football, like he is like Michael Jordan's the coolest

1194
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: dude on the planet. Obviously it's still represented today, long

1195
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: after his playing days are over. If you asked the

1196
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: majority of people the coolest, you know, the the the

1197
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: kind of pinnacle of what you want in terms of

1198
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: kids want to emulate, it's still Dion all these years

1199
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: after he's done planned that. Nobody, nobody has taken that

1200
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: that mantle from him in this game. Nobody, nobody. It's

1201
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: a different thing. This is fun, man. I love these compels. Yeah,

1202
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: good pot, We're gonna rap. We're going to say goodbye

1203
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: right after this. All right, Buck, this was a fun

1204
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: one man great conversation with Yogi Roth. Got a chance

1205
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: of previous big Thursday night game. Um, the n I

1206
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: L stuff which is fascinating to me. A lot a

1207
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: lot of ground we covered today on the episode. Yeah,

1208
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 1: a lot of ground. This is fine man, I think, Uh,

1209
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: you can never get enough. We always talking about football,

1210
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: and you just always wonder what the storyline is going

1211
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: to be. The One thing about a podcast, man, we're

1212
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Speaker 1: never lacking for content because there's always something going on,

1213
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Speaker 1: no doubt, always something. It's always a ton of fun.

1214
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Speaker 1: Note I do want to take a chance here and

1215
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Speaker 1: it's Inside Report. You can get on Apple Podcasts, Spotify

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Speaker 1: right now. They do three podcasts a week, so people

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Speaker 1: all right, that's gonna do it for us today. Appreciate

1230
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Speaker 1: you guys hanging with us and we'll catch you next time.

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Speaker 1: Right here on, move the sticks.