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Speaker 1: J Mack, you're just figuring out that Stephen Colbert story.

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Speaker 1: That was a big pot topical weekend.

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Speaker 3: I listen man on the weekends. I try to spend

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Speaker 3: time with the fam, do some sports. I play volleyball

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Speaker 3: and basketball Saturday. It was amazing.

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Speaker 4: I'm not online, I'm not reading. Come on, I'm relaxing

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Speaker 4: and enjoying summer. Okay, what are you doing in Chicago?

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Speaker 4: You're reading about Colbert the Demise of Late yesterday?

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Speaker 1: By eleven thirty, I was watching the British Open, reading

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Speaker 1: have tipped an early one. Feel good about myself.

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Speaker 4: So, by the way, do they have cigars in Chicago

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Speaker 4: or are you off the cigars now?

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Speaker 1: Do they have cigars in Chicago? Yeah, they even have

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Speaker 1: them in Wisconsin, the state above us Kenosha has a

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Speaker 1: cigar story back, Come on, that's not a Hegan probably

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Speaker 3: Kenosha. That's a town.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's god, it's beautiful. You have to get out

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Speaker 1: here and realize there's a world beyond the two one

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 6: J Mack with the news, No turns, this is the

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Speaker 4: Let's talk a little Detroit Lions, Colon, I still remember

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Speaker 4: that loss in the playoffs to Washington goff was horrible.

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Speaker 4: But uh, Jamior GiB the great running back for Detroit.

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Speaker 4: He said he's ready to do whatever it takes to

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Speaker 4: win a Super Bowl. He's willing to line up at

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Speaker 4: safety or nickelback. I guess he's been reading about Travis Hunter.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Colin.

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Speaker 4: I feel like the windows kind of closing for the Lions.

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Speaker 4: Gid Well Superstar, but it's just it feels like the

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Speaker 1: Windows don't close when you have a really good general

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Speaker 1: an organization that has drafted similarly to Philadelphia has hit

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Speaker 1: Hutchison comes back this year. They did lose a center,

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Speaker 5: Green Bay historically drafts well.

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Speaker 1: If you draft well, your windows may regress, but they

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Speaker 1: don't close. Dallas has closed because they have not New England.

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Speaker 1: Belichick at the end closed they drafted poor.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I did see that they suffered another injury. The

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Speaker 4: They just can't stay healthy. It's unfortunate. But let's move

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Speaker 4: on to next up. The New York Giants. Colin, I

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Speaker 4: think both of us were shocked when they drafted Jackson

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Speaker 4: everybody's expecting a lot of Jackson Dart this season.

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Speaker 3: Dart told The New York Post he ain't scared of the.

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Speaker 4: On Jackson Dart, who I'm just telling you every time

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's things that I think work in Jackson

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Speaker 5: And they have all those.

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Speaker 1: So the idea this is a bad place for Jackson Dart,

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Speaker 5: The schedule is brutal, but there are.

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Speaker 4: toughest schedule in the NFC. Yes, So, I mean I

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Speaker 3: Come like Halloween. They're gonna just have to try Dart.

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Speaker 4: The only reason I don't think this is good, Colin

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Speaker 3: If they win four or five games.

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Speaker 4: He's getting dusted, right, and then it's like Dart.

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Speaker 3: Has to win over the new head coach.

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Speaker 4: I'm still surprised he's considered like a top seven receiver

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Speaker 3: This year finals coins go to.

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Speaker 4: The Kansas City Chiefs, So we got.

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Speaker 3: Some good news for them. George car laftis the edge rusher.

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Speaker 3: I believe he went to Purdue. He got a four year,

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Speaker 4: Dollar contract extension, first round.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's been spectacular, but you need a

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Speaker 3: Well deliver because you got to rotate the Meniski Milk.

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Speaker 1: Look who's in the division now, Bow Knicks and Sean Payton,

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Speaker 5: Well, it's your Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: Now, the Chargers have two good offensive tackles, a real

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Speaker 1: Carl Loft, this is a guy I'm probably going to pay.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm looking at the chief super Bowl stats. Carl

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Speaker 4: Aft has actually had one of the two sacks in

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Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. No, not a lot of highlights on

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Speaker 4: that team. They got just boat raced by the Eagles,

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Speaker 4: But you know that's dinner here on there.

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Speaker 5: Jmck of the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 1: Not only as he played more NFL games than any

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Speaker 1: a game for the Chicago Bears the last two years.

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Speaker 1: Now he's a free agent. He's our buddy. Mercedes Lewis,

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Speaker 1: a pro bowler nineteen years in the NFL, who I'm

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Speaker 1: told just got done working out. Now, last time I

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Speaker 1: you still willing to get on a roster? Would you

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I mean right now, the goal is to played one

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Speaker 8: grateful for that. Obviously, we've had a conversation about it.

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Speaker 5: Man, is there a team you fit?

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Speaker 1: Who needs a blocking tight end, who's smart, who needs

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Speaker 5: Where do you fit?

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Speaker 8: I mean, obviously a team that's definitely going to run

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Speaker 8: I'm not necessarily gonna throw teams out there, but there's

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Speaker 7: So what's the ir source out? You know?

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Speaker 8: Obviously with me, it's all about controlling what I can control,

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Speaker 7: So you know, here we go.

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Speaker 7: No, those two didn't reach out?

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Speaker 1: I want to throw that there. Did Arizona reach out?

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Speaker 1: I'm a journalist, Mercedes, this is what John's do.

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Speaker 8: I'm fash No, no, no, I get it. I mean

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Speaker 8: it's again, It's it's been like three or four Obviously,

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Speaker 7: You know, the grind it is as far.

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Speaker 8: to go ahead and retire, you know, because I don't.

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Speaker 7: See myself necessarily waiting the whole season right now, I'm.

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Speaker 8: Still very inspired and motivated to go for one more year,

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Speaker 8: and I'll just take it one day at a time

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Speaker 5: But here's the thing.

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Speaker 9: We never have enough time to get to everything we

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Speaker 6: To, and that's why we have a brand new podcast

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Speaker 9: Well you know what it's called over promise. You should

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Speaker 9: be good at it because you've been over promising women

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Speaker 8: I think the first thing that I've probably look for

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Speaker 1: You know, I love asking this question, so occasionally you

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Speaker 1: Does it take you, guy who's been in this league

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Speaker 8: or you're just going to be a guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mercedes Lewis nighteen years still available, Man, I don't

440
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Speaker 1: want to get nosy, but that NFL pension that's going

441
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Speaker 1: to be.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, man, I don't maybe when I'll probably look at

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Speaker 8: it when I'm when it's all said and done, but

444
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Speaker 8: it should be sweet.

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Speaker 1: You'll go to Craigs four nights a week and order

446
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Speaker 1: chicken palm and not even worry about it.

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Speaker 8: Bro yep, just work out, order good Italian food and

448
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Speaker 8: mind my business.

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Speaker 5: Great seeing you. We'll talk soon.

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Speaker 7: Likewise, brother, thank you? Man all right?

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Speaker 1: Nineteen years playing pro football, Oh my god, and didn't.

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Speaker 5: Miss a game with Bears the last two years.

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Speaker 1: Like some guys like Lebron's like that Lebron got I

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Speaker 1: mean Lebron's obviously.

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Speaker 7: Worked at it.

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Speaker 1: But some guys, I mean John Lynch at safety. I

457
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Speaker 1: asked John John Lynch led headfirst. I mean he was

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Speaker 1: one of the hardest hitting safeties. He and Chuck cecil

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Speaker 1: for over a decade. And I asked Lynch, once you

460
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Speaker 1: ever have a concussion? He's like, no, never had one?

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Speaker 1: Like what, hell do you know what? No, never had one.

462
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Speaker 1: Like some guys just got the man upstairs, the entity upstairs,

463
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Speaker 1: you know, touches them. Was something that very few players have.

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Speaker 1: They just they just stay healthy in very physical environments.

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Speaker 1: Wrap it up next in Chicago, it's The Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and Noone Easter not a Empacific.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the interesting stories. And this has

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Speaker 1: been the case, and I think we're a long way

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Speaker 1: from over. The WNBA again is in the news because

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Speaker 1: the players went out this weekend.

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Speaker 5: And you know, war shirts pay us what you owe us.

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Speaker 1: So it's very easy to say this league has lost

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Speaker 1: so much money over the years, they don't deserve any money.

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Speaker 1: But the truth is, as an investment, it only really

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Speaker 1: matters when the negotiation process takes place, and it's taking

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Speaker 1: place now and the WNBA finally is hot. Now you

479
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Speaker 1: could say it's only hot because of Caitlin Clark. But

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Speaker 1: when Tiger Woods came on the tour, nobody else was

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Speaker 1: driving the revenue that Tiger was. So what if you

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Speaker 1: were an advertiser, you wanted to be part of the

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Speaker 1: PGA because everybody was watching Tiger. The truth is, whatever

484
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Speaker 1: broadcast network has the WNBA games, they put Caitlin Clark

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Speaker 1: on all the time. And Angel Reese is getting a brand.

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Speaker 1: Not to that point, but I mean the point is

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Speaker 1: right now, it's negotiation time, and it projects for ten

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Speaker 1: years to be very positive and they're hot right now,

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Speaker 1: so like you have to pay them, now, what are

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Speaker 1: you going to pay them? The NBA players make fifty

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Speaker 1: percent of revenue, But the NBA players drive shoe sales,

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Speaker 1: they drive all sorts of apparel, they drive social media.

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Speaker 1: A handful can drive television ratings, they drive attendance. WNBA players,

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark is sort of a one of one, but

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Speaker 1: there's still value there. I don't think they'll get fifty

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Speaker 1: percent of revenues. Could they get thirty percent of revenues?

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Speaker 1: But the idea that like they well they've always lost money. Again,

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Speaker 1: think of it like you have an investment and all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden I was talking about earlier in my

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Speaker 1: little podcast company. If I had a podcast for four

501
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Speaker 1: years that lost money for four years, and there was

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Speaker 1: five months left on the contract and it suddenly got hot, well,

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Speaker 1: I'd probably resign them. If they will they made me

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Speaker 1: a bunch of money for the first three years, and

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Speaker 1: in the last year of the contract they hamorrhage money.

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Speaker 1: I probably I wouldn't sign them. It's all about momentum.

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Speaker 1: WNBA has it. When are we negotiating? Well, the WNBA

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Speaker 1: is negotiating as merchandise sales are going up, a tenant

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Speaker 1: is going up, and ratings are going up. Even if

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Speaker 1: it's only driven by one or two players, it's still working.

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Speaker 1: A tenants through the league is up. I would think

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Speaker 1: about extending the season ten games. That my take on

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Speaker 1: what to do with Caitlin Clark lighten up on the officiating,

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Speaker 1: call more fouls, keep her healthy. Secondly, I'd add ten

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Speaker 1: more games to the schedule more revenues. Is the merchandise

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Speaker 1: goes up and again the players then say, okay, we'll

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Speaker 1: pay a thirty percent, but we want ten more games

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Speaker 1: or eight more gag because right now the WNBA schedule

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Speaker 1: is it's like a college schedule. There's not that many games,

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Speaker 1: but the idea that well, they've lost a bunch of money.

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Speaker 1: All sorts of companies selled a premium having lost money.

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Speaker 1: The example I used earlier was the Athletic. It was

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Speaker 1: hemorrhage forty five million a year. The New York Times

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Speaker 1: still bought it. It still doesn't make a profit. It

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Speaker 1: adds scale and subscriptions to the New York Times. That's

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Speaker 1: very interesting. A lot of these companies that get purchased

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Speaker 1: are not making an annual profit. The bottom line is

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Speaker 1: the WNBA merchandise ticket sales ratings up and they've got

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Speaker 1: a star that drives a number. I want to be

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Speaker 1: in that business for the next ten years.

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Speaker 4: The problem Colin and I was reading about this last

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Speaker 4: night is some of the teams are profitable, and I

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Speaker 4: can guarantee you the Indiana Fever are going to be profitable.

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Speaker 4: To say, yes, but do you all of a sudden

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Speaker 4: want a blanket statement that you know they players go

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Speaker 4: up from nine percent generating revenue to all of a

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Speaker 4: sudden everybody.

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Speaker 3: Gets thirty three percent.

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Speaker 4: Well, if I'm one of these bad teams where I'm

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Speaker 4: losing money and all of a sudden, I've got to

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Speaker 4: pay my players way more. I don't know that we

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Speaker 4: can do that blanket thing because yeah, well.

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Speaker 1: You know what, driving you know what, then sell your

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Speaker 1: franchise because I can assure you there are billionaires and

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Speaker 1: five hundred millionaires around the country that would buy these

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Speaker 1: franchises for two hundred and fifty million million.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you just lost money on the uh. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Pick a team here, you know Atlanta Dream, You've been

549
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Speaker 3: losing money on them.

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Speaker 4: For years, and now all of a sudden, you've got to.

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Speaker 3: Pay everybody way more money. Why would I Why would

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Speaker 3: I sell? You're gonna force me to sell now as

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Speaker 3: the league's are sending.

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Speaker 1: Well, you just said you don't want to pay money.

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Speaker 1: The bottom line, when you buy a pro sports team,

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Speaker 1: you're parking income.

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Speaker 5: That's all you're doing.

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Speaker 1: The bottom line, If you lose at an annual basis,

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Speaker 1: but you buy it for two hundred and fifty million,

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Speaker 1: what you're predicting it'll be worth three hundred seventy five

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Speaker 1: million four years. If you go back and look with

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Speaker 1: WNBA franchises were seven years ago and today they've gone

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Speaker 1: up like ten times the MLS. I've tried to buy

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Speaker 1: into the MLS twice. I didn't have the money. When

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Speaker 1: I wanted to buy in, it was thirty five million.

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Speaker 1: They were then three years later worth eighty five million.

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Speaker 1: I tried to buy in small number at eighty five million.

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Speaker 1: They're now worth two hundred and seventy million. It's the

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Speaker 1: bottom line is you're buying into that. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: not the people that can afford that. These teams, they've

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Speaker 1: got thirty eight businesses. Mark Cuban owns seventy businesses. Not

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Speaker 1: when you own just a Mavericks, you have an operating

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Speaker 1: loss in some of your businesses.

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Speaker 4: So Colin, the problem with that is the league is

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Speaker 4: so dependent on Caitlin Clark. Now, if Kitlin Clark decides

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Speaker 4: I've had enough of basketball, I'm retiring, that's not happening.

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Speaker 3: She walks away. Tell me where the WNBA growth is?

578
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Speaker 3: Is it still going through the roof?

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Speaker 4: Well, Vegan dates Beckers is a really nice player. She

580
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Speaker 4: ain't moving the needle like Caitlyn.

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Speaker 1: Tell me a bunch of tell me a bunch of

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Speaker 1: pro athletes who at twenty four, twenty five said I'm

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Speaker 1: just tired of my injury.

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Speaker 4: Five she's out for the year boom. The league's hurting well,

585
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Speaker 4: like again, the league is very reliant upon her. Why

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Speaker 4: can't we do the baseball model where we institute some

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Speaker 4: kind of salary floor around the league, Like, hey, owners

588
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Speaker 4: have to spend x amount, maybe.

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Speaker 3: Baseball fans want. I just don't like.

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Speaker 4: All of a sudden, Hey, the league is growing, everybody

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Speaker 4: has to get paid. No, no, We're just gonna pay

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Speaker 4: those that are profitable.

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Speaker 3: By the way, those guys get paid them.

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Speaker 1: When Michael Jordan retired, the league lost fifty percent of

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Speaker 1: its ratings. They were very reliant on mj Very Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they just signed a seventy six billion dollar, eleven year contract.

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Speaker 3: Thirty years later.

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Speaker 5: Come on, well, no.

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Speaker 1: I mean after that was Kobe and Shack. You know,

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Speaker 1: there were a lot of great financial stories. We've had

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Speaker 1: the Spurs, you know, legendary dynasty. We had the Kobe

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Speaker 1: and Shack dynasty. We had the Warriors dynasty, we had

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Speaker 1: the Heatles. These were the safest place you can park

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Speaker 1: money in the world is in pro sports franchises. The

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Speaker 1: Yankees are going to be around in one hundred years.

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Speaker 5: You don't know if Google is, you don't know if

607
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Speaker 5: Apple is. People used to.

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Speaker 1: Think Apple was untouchable. Steve Jobs left, it tanked. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Phil Knight stepped out of Nike for a couple of years.

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Speaker 1: Nike tanked, then he came back, it rebounded. These big companies,

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Speaker 1: you don't know what they're going to be in fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: It's bad management. Starbucks has been all over the map

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Speaker 1: the last three years based on who they hire a CEO.

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Speaker 4: That's interesting. You said you tried to buy an MLS.

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Speaker 4: I bought into Aliga MX team in Mexico. By the way,

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Speaker 4: another team right now is on the market for four

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Speaker 4: hundred million. I won't even tell you what we bought

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Speaker 4: in at, but it's significantly lower. So if you were

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Speaker 4: given the opportunity right now, would you buy into a

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Speaker 4: WNBA team?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? In one second.

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Speaker 3: All right, I'll play middleman and see what I can

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Speaker 3: do for you, big guy.

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Speaker 4: I know some people, but I would like to see

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Speaker 4: you put your money where you're I mean, like, no,

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Speaker 4: nobody's offering Seattle Storm. If they were looking for an

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Speaker 4: investor at a certain evaluation, you would invest in the WNA.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely now, that's interesting.

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Speaker 7: Huh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, two years ago, I was interested. I want to

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Speaker 1: I was interested in the MLS again for the third time.

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Speaker 4: I mean, listen, soccer is going to get massive over

633
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Speaker 4: the next eighteen months with the World Cup coming up

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Speaker 4: in this country that is one hundred percent coming. I

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Speaker 4: just I do think there is upside in the WNBA.

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Speaker 4: This rapid expansion has me a little concern. Are the

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Speaker 4: rosters deep enough. There's just not that many great players

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Speaker 4: in the league, Colin, Are there enough to justify like

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00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 4: two four teams that they said their word?

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Speaker 3: Are they going? Cleveland now is one of the expansion teams?

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Speaker 1: Well, every league is overbuilt. You could cut six hockey

642
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: teams if the Saint Louis Blues left tomorrow, how's the league?

643
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: You could cut four to five NFL teams and NBA team.

644
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: Look at Major League Baseball. The bottom six teams payroll

645
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Speaker 1: can't compete. If the Pirates left tomorrow. I love the

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Speaker 1: Pirates is a kain. If they left tomorrow, the sport

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Speaker 1: would be buying. Those are all leagues with like thirty teams.

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Speaker 1: WNBA is like fifteen teams. Sixteen teams. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just think they'll get I think they should get

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Speaker 1: to twenty very quickly, and I think they will all

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is if I had a if somebody just

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Speaker 1: said here's two million dollars, I go, I go tonight,

653
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Speaker 1: and I scratch off ticket, and I have two million

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Speaker 1: dollars after taxes, I keep one point twenty five.

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Speaker 5: I'd put it in the WNBA tomorrow.

656
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: Really, you would.

657
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 4: Just put it, put it in a low cost ETF

658
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 4: and just watch the money roll in.

659
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 5: Bolling.

660
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 3: You know you're an exciting guy with them.

661
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: I want to own a team and go court side

662
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: and be like, hello, another cocktail for Uncle Colin.

663
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 5: I want free fun.

664
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 4: Cow heard the coastal elite now owning sports teams.

665
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: What a life? What are happen for dinner tonight, lobster.

666
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you the way. The only way you

667
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: can get good a good value on anything you buy

668
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: is not when it's the hottest thing in the world.

669
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 5: So as there's all this, oh, the WNBA is not worth.

670
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: It, I think the smart people are like, yeah, I'll invest,

671
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: I'll invest. Now, I would invest. I'd have no problem.

672
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: I'd like to really invest in the Indiana fever. I

673
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: admit that