1 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about China, shall we. That's what 2 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: the entire special is going to be about China. And 3 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: this can be one of those things that normal people, 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: people like you, you don't really know what to do 5 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: about it, and it seems like such a big issue 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: that it's beyond us. This is we're talking nation state stuff. 7 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: But here's one of the things we all need to do. 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: We have to acknowledge first and foremost, there is a 9 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: competition and we must win it. And maybe when it 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: comes to the United States versus China, maybe you're of 11 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: the mind because I hear this a lot of I 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: don't care. Why do we even bother? Why are we 13 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: even well listen, Just like all warfare, whether it be 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: kinetic or otherwise, only one vote matters. China has decided 15 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: that we are in competition. China has made that decision. 16 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: What you think about it doesn't mean anything at all. 17 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: What I think about it doesn't mean anything at all. 18 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: I cannot want that competition. But China has written down 19 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: we are competing with America and we intend to supplant 20 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: them as the number one country on the planet. And 21 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: we have to acknowledge what that means. We don't know 22 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 1: what a world like that is like because we've never 23 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: lived in it. But what I do know is you 24 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: have the communist Chinese making decisions and we can't rebuff them. 25 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: Means a completely different way of life for everyone who 26 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: lives on Earth. If they become number one, it's a major, 27 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: major problem. And so let's look at some of the 28 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: things they've done here. We mean, look, but let's just 29 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: talk about COVID alone. I mean, the China Special could 30 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: be eighteen hours long. But let's look at what they 31 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: did during COVID. China realized very quickly they had a problem, 32 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: had some sort of a virus, some sort of a disease. 33 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: China immediately immediately moves to shut down domestic air travel. 34 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: You're not allowed to just fly from Beijing to Shanghai. No, no, no, 35 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: we're shutting down air travel. But China allowed after they 36 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: shut down domestic air travel, they allowed international travel. In fact, 37 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: it seems like they encouraged it to places like the 38 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: United States of America. That's fairly overt, is it not. 39 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: It's extremely overt. We have what they've done when it 40 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: comes to technological theft. You know, this is something people 41 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: have harped about for a long time. It's kind of 42 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: in the weeds, kind of detail wise. But what is that. Well, 43 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: companies and inventors, they have copyright, they have ownership over 44 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: ideas and technology. China doesn't care about that at all. 45 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: They'll just simply grab your newest phone, your newest piece 46 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: of military technology, whatever it may be. They'll take it 47 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: over there, they'll reverse engineer it, and they'll just lay 48 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: claim to it, and they'll thumb their nose at anybody 49 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: who raises a stink about that. So it's not just 50 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: that they're competing. This is a country that's forceful about competing, 51 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: and they don't care about your morality or my morality, 52 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: or the rules. They don't care, and they understand, let's 53 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: just acknowledge this. They understand that when a democrat, whenever 54 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: we have a democrat in office, they can take that 55 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: ball that they've been slowly moving up up the field. 56 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: They can really accelerate things. Exactly how much information did 57 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: they get from that spy balloon? Marco Rubio talked about it. 58 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: I think what's embedded here is a clear message. It's 59 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: not a coincidence that this happens leading up to the 60 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 2: State of the Union address leading up to Blencoln's visit 61 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: to China, the Chinese knew that this was going to 62 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: be spotted. 63 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: They knew that we were going to have to react 64 00:03:59,320 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: to it. 65 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: Fluid over military installations and sensitive sites right across the middle. 66 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: I mean, look at the flight path of this thing. 67 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: It's a diagonal shot right through the middle of the 68 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: continental United States. And the message embedded in this to 69 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: the world is we can fly a balloon over airspace 70 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: of the United States of America and they won't be 71 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: able to do anything about. 72 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 3: It to stop us. 73 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: They calculated this carefully with a message embedded in it. 74 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 2: And I think that's the part we can't forget here. 75 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: It's not just the balloon, it's the message they're trying 76 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 2: to send the world that we can do whatever we 77 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 2: want in America can't stop us. 78 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: China's purposeful about it. And that brings us to an 79 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: uncomfortable question, one that makes us squirm in our chair. 80 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: Why was that balloon allowed to do what it did. 81 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: They knew about the balloon when it was over Alaska. 82 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: They didn't shoot down the balloon until it got to 83 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: the Atlantic Ocean. They allowed our government allowed a Chinese 84 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: spy balloon to traverse the entire United States of America 85 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: without shooting it down. Why exactly how many of our 86 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: politicians are compromised by the communist Chinese. They're famous for 87 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: buying threatening loyalty from people around the world. I mean, 88 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: did you hear Angus King during the Pete Hegseth confirmation 89 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: hearing really concerned about Pete's focus on China. 90 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 4: Mister, I was very disturbed in your opening statement where 91 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 4: you talked about the priorities that you have. We will 92 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 4: work with our partners and allies to deter aggression the 93 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 4: Indo Pacific from the communist Chinese. There's not a single 94 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 4: mention in this statement about Ukraine or Russia. Is this 95 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 4: code for we're going to abandon Ukraine? 96 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 5: Senator the president this is that's a presidential level policy decision. 97 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 5: He's made it very clear that he would like to 98 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 5: see a end to that conflict. We know who the 99 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 5: aggressor is, we know who the good guy is. We'd 100 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 5: like to see it as advantageous for the Ukrainians as possible, 101 00:05:58,600 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 5: but that war needs come. 102 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 4: You talk a lot of about the terms of China. 103 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 4: I would submit that Jijingping is watching what we do 104 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 4: very carefully. If we abandon Ukraine, that would be the 105 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 4: strongest single possible to Jijingping that he can take Taiwan 106 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 4: without significant resistance from this country. 107 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: Very interesting how many of them run cover for China. 108 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: So we have a great special for you tonight. We're 109 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: going to talk to Natalie Winters about this next. You 110 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: has some fascinating insight into how China operates, and we 111 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: will talk. 112 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: To her just the moment. 113 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 6: And then there's this theory widely debunked, this paper from 114 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 6: two Chinese. 115 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 7: Researchers that says it is plausible that the virus leaked 116 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 7: accidentally from one of two labs near the Wuhan seafood market. 117 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,679 Speaker 3: Coronavirus was man made in a lab in Wuhan, China. 118 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 2: And yet this week, Donald Trump is still pushing the 119 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: debunked buncum despite his own intelligence community's findings that is 120 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: simply not true. 121 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 6: The Wuhan lab. 122 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 8: We know that it's been debunked that this virus was 123 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 8: man made or modified or anything like that. 124 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 7: Those same agencies now have been tapped with investigating one 125 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 7: of Trump World's most favorite conspiracy theories. Tom Cotton, one 126 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 7: of Donald Trump's staunchest allies in the Senate, suggested that 127 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 7: the virus might have originated in a high security biochemical 128 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 7: lab in China's diseases in the nineteen eighties. I remember 129 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 7: when the far left trafficked in rumors about HIV han't 130 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 7: been invented in CIA labs. The far right has now 131 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 7: found its own virus conspiracy theory. 132 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: Yes, the far right joining me now. Investigative reporter co 133 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: hosts of The War Room Natalie Winters Natalie Okay, so 134 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: CIA admitting that COVID came from a Chinese lab. Okay, 135 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: we got all that. But one thing I've found fascinating 136 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: this entire time is why cover it up at all? 137 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: What difference does it make to me an American if 138 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: it came from a bowl of bat soup? Where it 139 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: came from a lab in Wuhan, but very clearly the 140 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: system wanted me to believe it was the bowl of 141 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: bat soup. 142 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 9: Why, Yeah, it's certainly an achilles heel, And I think 143 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 9: that how you answer that question, there's sort of an 144 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 9: interesting whether you want to call it a limited hangout 145 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 9: or sort of a reframe in terms of the idea 146 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 9: of who was responsible for covering up the true origins 147 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 9: of COVID nineteen, because right now everyone in the mainstream 148 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 9: media class is quick to say, well, it was the 149 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 9: Chinese Communist Party. 150 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 10: It was right, it was the World Health Organization. 151 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 9: But in reality their Western counterparts, Western elites are equally 152 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 9: to blame, if not, I would argue almost more so. 153 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 9: Right Western media outlets were as bad, if not worse 154 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 9: than Chinese state run communist propaganda outlets in terms of 155 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 9: covering up like that montage that you just played. And 156 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 9: I think you know the question is right, sort of 157 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 9: Quibona Writing benefits from running cover for the Chinese Communist Party, 158 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 9: and you're talking talking about the corporations who've been in 159 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 9: business with them for so long. 160 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 10: Politicians whose career. 161 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 9: Rises have been inextricably linked to that of the Chinese 162 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 9: Communist Party. They've been on the receiving ends of campaign 163 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 9: cash and of weird blackmail schemes, look no further. 164 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 10: Than Hunter Biden. 165 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 9: But that's because I think the unfortunate truth to go 166 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 9: very I guess meta here is that the entire world 167 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 9: economic kind of system and order that we run on 168 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 9: rests upon the Chinese Communist party staying in power. 169 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 10: And the original sin of. 170 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 9: That economic model is that the Chinese people are essentially 171 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 9: slave laborers. And if you were to give the Chinese 172 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 9: Communist Party, I think a nice reflection in the mirror 173 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 9: of what they did with COVID nineteen, what they've subjected 174 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 9: their own people to, let alone the whole world. Not 175 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 9: only would you see, I think internal discontent and strive 176 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 9: like you saw, I think a little whimper of at 177 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 9: least before the Western press came in and quashed it, 178 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 9: at least domestically in China. But these corporations, these people 179 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 9: would be forced to answer for their decades of collaborationist 180 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 9: sentiment and just straight up collaboration with the enemy that 181 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 9: I think it's never been clearer than what they did 182 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 9: with COVID nineteen. 183 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: Explain to me the media perspective as it pertains to China. 184 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: It's not difficult to figure out why some filthy chicom 185 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: would want to cover up that it came from a lab. 186 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 1: It's not difficult to figure out why a ceo who 187 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: set up his factory and you know Shanghai, would want 188 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: to say it came from a bull of bats soup. 189 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: But the anchor at CNN, he's got five viewers, Why 190 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't he just come out and say what we really 191 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: all kind of knew to begin with? What does it 192 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: bother him? 193 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 9: Well, the chapter and verse answer to your question is 194 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 9: that the Chinese Communist Party has been running sophisticated, very 195 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 9: targeted media infiltration and warfare campaigns against Western journalists for. 196 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 10: A very very long time. 197 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 9: They have something called the United Front Work Department, which 198 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 9: is a multi billion dollar political warfare operation that emanates 199 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 9: out of Beijing. It's closely run by the Chinese Communist 200 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 9: Party and it's sort of the apparatus, the element that 201 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 9: they use to target not just Western journalists, but academics 202 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 9: and think tankers and politicians and of course their kin 203 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 9: and their next of kin. 204 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 10: And in the case of media, they obviously. 205 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 9: Know that controlling public opinion is very very important, especially 206 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 9: at home, but also even more importantly abroad here in 207 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 9: the United States. 208 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 10: So they have a. 209 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 9: Myriad of tactics that they use, but one of their 210 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 9: preferred tactics is basically paying Western journalists to come overseas 211 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 9: so to go and visit China on subsidized trips. So 212 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 9: the Chinese Communist Party or groups that are very innocuously 213 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 9: named like the Chinese United States Exchange Foundation, will subsidize 214 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 9: these trips. They tour not just military facilities, they tour wuahwe. 215 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 9: They basically get propaganda to the max from legitimate to 216 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 9: facto elements of dajuur elements of the Chinese Communist Party. 217 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 9: But I had broke this story two three years ago 218 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 9: through the Foreign Agent Registration Act filings, And the most 219 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 9: interesting part is that not only did they admit to 220 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 9: seeking out journalists that they thought would provide them quote 221 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 9: favorable coverage, but that upon return they had to quote 222 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 9: disseminate positive messages about the Chinese Communist Party and their 223 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 9: sort of rise in this neoliberal world order. And this 224 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 9: isn't just some niche journalists that they were picking. It 225 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 9: was the Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, people like 226 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 9: Matthew Iglesias, a lot of these you know, bigwig lefty 227 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 9: journalists types who were involved in this very explicit pay 228 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 9: for play journalism type scheme. That's actual foreign interference and 229 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 9: foreign collusion. 230 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 10: If you want to. 231 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 9: Take the left, I guess do some cultural appropriation, but 232 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 9: that's sort of I think just one anecdote. But that's 233 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 9: why you see the coverage that you do, because it's 234 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 9: full scale political warfare. 235 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm so jealous. I mean, the Chin comms hate me, 236 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: so I'm never going to be able to go over there, 237 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: But I want to go to the I want to 238 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: see the Great Wall of China and I can't ever 239 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: go into that country all be arrested, but that would 240 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: be freaking sweet. Okay, So Trump as it relates to 241 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: China did not exactly end on a positive note with 242 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: that country. Everyone knows he's always talking about China. Where 243 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: are they now? 244 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 9: Well, like President Trump was very clairvoyant, he actually sanctioned 245 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 9: and basically put into oblivion a lot of these United 246 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 9: Front Work Department groups that were targeting local level officials, governors, 247 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 9: state level officials. They were making a hardcore press when 248 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 9: it came to agricultural officials across this country too. Look, 249 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 9: I think when President Trump invited Shijinping for I think 250 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,479 Speaker 9: scholars and people who pay attention or to the inauguration, 251 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 9: for people who pay attention to Chinese history, they are 252 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 9: very obsessed with the concept of right, the Thucinides trap, 253 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 9: the idea that the Chinese communist Party is sort of 254 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 9: on the ascent and. 255 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 10: Will replace the United States not in a. 256 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 9: Multipolar world order, but in a new unipolar world order 257 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 9: where they become. 258 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 10: The new global hedgemon. 259 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 9: And they love the idea of sort of foreign countries 260 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 9: having to be supplicants and coming and sort of lack 261 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 9: of a better word, cow taling to Chinese Communist Party leaders, 262 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 9: to Chinese Communist Party run businesses. So I think it 263 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 9: was sort of an epatrol when President Trump did invite 264 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 9: Chijinping to the inauguration, and I think you've sort of 265 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 9: seen that legacy continue. But much like I think that 266 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 9: montage that you just played showing how they framed the 267 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 9: origins of COVID as you know, the racist and you know, 268 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 9: nativist elements of the far right like myself and yourself included, 269 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 9: we're wrong on COVID. I think this whole framing now 270 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 9: of the tariffs, the trade war and all that is 271 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 9: something that's sort of. 272 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 10: Akin to that. What do I mean by that? 273 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 9: The trade war has been waged against the United States 274 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 9: by the Chinese Communist Party since they're ascension into the 275 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,479 Speaker 9: World Trade Organization, right, they have been crippling our economy, 276 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 9: our various industries with intellectual property theft, you name it, 277 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 9: a myriad of economic warfare tactics that's codified into their 278 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 9: military doctrine. We're finally now just punching back, and I 279 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 9: think you can tell that the tariffs are something that 280 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 9: really really freaked them out, because they've been sort of 281 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 9: melting down about them. I hope President Trump sticks to 282 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 9: his guns and actually institutes them, but I think that 283 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 9: people should really pay attention to the way that the 284 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 9: mainstream media covers it, because anybody who uses the term 285 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 9: trade war and thinks that Donald Trump is the aggressor 286 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 9: when it comes to China is so willfully mistaken, not 287 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 9: just on the lived economic reality of Americans, but just 288 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 9: basic financial and economic metrics that you can see how 289 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 9: the Chinese Communist Party has been abusing this country and 290 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 9: our economy for so long. 291 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:34,119 Speaker 1: Natalie, the h one B visas got into the news recently, 292 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: and of course we were told that we must have 293 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: all these people here because us stupid Americans have the 294 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: goll to play sports and talk to girls. But of 295 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: course it's just a system that is used to abuse 296 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: the American worker. The Chinese have been doing this, haven't 297 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: they of. 298 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 9: Course, I think you left out that we're too busy 299 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 9: having sleepovers as well. 300 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 10: No no sleepovers the count So the H one B 301 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 10: issue is interesting. 302 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 9: I think if you put it through the lens, you know, 303 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 9: it's so easy for us to like think of big 304 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 9: Pharma lobbyists, right, or Big Tobac or whoever, the way 305 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 9: that they lie to us only to boost profits of 306 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 9: a certain industry. 307 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 5: Right. 308 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 10: That's sort of the mo of the whole lobbying apparatus. 309 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 9: The H one B debacle is quite literally no different 310 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 9: than Peiser lobbyists or Madernal lobbyists wanting to get vaccine 311 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 9: mandates implemented so they can have better profit margins. 312 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 10: What do I mean by that? 313 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 9: The data to create the narrative that Americans need to 314 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 9: import people who come from what backwards third world countries 315 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 9: where they're willfully underperforming and less skilled than the average 316 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 9: American worker, that the reason why we need to import 317 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 9: them is because a there's the best in the brightest. 318 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 9: I'm sure everyone's heard that lovely alliterative phrase, and that 319 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 9: we have a shortage of workers here, so we need 320 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 9: to therefore bring in the best and the brightest. Those 321 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 9: two sort of compounding factors that create this lie that 322 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 9: then necessitates the mass importation of H one bv soholders 323 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 9: is rooted and completely bs and bogus science. Even the 324 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 9: Government Accountability Office when they actually went into the National 325 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 9: Science Foundation the original report that was sort of the 326 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 9: footnote for any time anyone would ever make these claims. 327 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 10: They even admit it that the data was never there. 328 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 10: It looks like they more or less made it up. 329 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 9: The overwhelming majority of h M B VSA holders that 330 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 9: they're importing and talking like upwards of eighty percent make 331 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 9: less than the average salary of a tech worker because 332 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 9: over eighty percent of them are actually in the bottom 333 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 9: one percent in terms of skills. They're not the best 334 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 9: and brightest category of the top of the hum B stuff, 335 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 9: which anyways would be the one B visa category, which 336 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 9: is its kind of own category to begin with. So 337 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 9: the H and B stuff, like I'm sure people have 338 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 9: seen the screenshots online, they're not glamorous jobs. They're not 339 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 9: people who are necessarily making this country better. They like to, 340 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 9: you know, talent statistics saying that every HMB that you 341 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 9: bring in creates x or amount of jobs for American citizens. 342 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 9: It's not true and on the opposite side of the coin, 343 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 9: when you look at the numbers of Americans not just 344 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 9: who are unemployed, but particularly Americans with STEM degrees who 345 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 9: will never work in STEM. You're talking about one in 346 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 9: two American STEM graduates. 347 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 10: Who, despite graduating from. 348 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 9: An accredited United States based institution and actually can speak English, 349 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 9: on like half of these H one b people will 350 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 9: never work in STEM because their job is going to 351 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 9: be outsourced to someone from likely India or China. And 352 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 9: by the way, Jesse, just to I think, really make 353 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 9: this whole debate even more just absurd. 354 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 10: The same people who are telling us that we need. 355 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 9: To import the quote best and brightest so we can 356 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 9: be competitive with the Chinese Communist Party are advocating for 357 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 9: a visa program where the second largest beneficiary and recipient 358 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 9: of importing people from a certain country under this visa 359 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 9: category the. 360 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 10: H one V is none other than China. 361 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 9: A country that, what per Article seven of their National 362 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 9: Intelligence Law, stipulates that any Chinese citizen can be weaponized 363 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 9: against the United States at any moment, for any purpose 364 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 9: and at any time. Gee, I wonder why the United 365 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 9: States is getting hacked so much and my intellectual property 366 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 9: theft is off the charts because we're quite literally importing 367 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 9: the enemy into our country just so we can suppress 368 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,959 Speaker 9: wages of Americans and make these evil America hating corporations 369 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 9: better profit margins. 370 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: Seems bad. That's why I never graduated in stem Other 371 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: than I had to drop math, I just knew there 372 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: was no point in it, so I just dropped out. Natalie, 373 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate you. As always, we have not done yet. 374 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: It'll be bad. 375 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 3: If we stay on the road we're on right now. 376 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 2: In less than ten years, virtually everything that matters to 377 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: us in life will depend on whether China will allow 378 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: us to have it or not. Everything from the blood 379 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: pressure medicine we take to what movies we get to watch, 380 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 2: and everything in between, we will depend on Ford. They 381 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 2: have come to dominate the critical mental industry supplies. 382 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 3: Throughout the world. Everywhere in the world. 383 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: They've now established critical mineral rights. Even those who want 384 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 2: to see more electric cars, no matter where you make them, 385 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: those batteries are almost entirely dependent on the ability of 386 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 2: the Chinese and the willingness of the Chinese Communist Party 387 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: to produce it and export it to you. So if 388 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: we don't change course, we are going to live in 389 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 2: the world where much of what matters to us on 390 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 2: a daily basis, from our security to our health, will 391 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 2: be dependent on whether the Chinese allows us to have 392 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: it or not. 393 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 3: That's an unacceptable outcome. 394 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: That is, of all the confirmation nonsense we've seen, that 395 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: may be the most eye popping and ominous little fifteen 396 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: thirty second cut that I've seen so far. Joining me 397 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: now is someone who knows quite a bit about China, economies, 398 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: everything else, economists, Peter saint Ange. By the way, go 399 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: to a profsaintonge dot com if you want to consume 400 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: his stuff, which I most definitely do. That's why on him. Okay, Peter, 401 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: First of all, what does that mean? How did we 402 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: end up on the If Marco Rubio was correct, and 403 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm assuming he is, and we're on a course to 404 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: have everything run through China, let's start at the beginning. 405 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: How do we get on such a course? When did 406 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: this happen? 407 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 11: Yeah, well, there was a time when America was the 408 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 11: dominant manufacturer in the world. Europe would sit around and 409 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 11: complain about how you know there will come a day 410 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 11: when we will make nothing in Europe anymore. Everything can 411 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 11: be made in America and we threw it away. The 412 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 11: way that I summit is that we shot ourselves in 413 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 11: the foot and we put ourselves in a position where 414 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 11: now we have to rent the wheelchair from China and 415 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 11: we're pissed off about it. 416 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 6: So the solution of that, of course, is stop shooting 417 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 6: yourself in the foot. 418 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 11: So that means reduce regulations, the Green mandates, the. 419 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 6: DEI, the social policy. 420 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 11: A lot of the regulations just corrupt industries just buy it. Basically, 421 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 11: large operators by it to try to shut out the little. 422 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 6: Little guy. The end resultants on small. 423 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 11: Companies and the big companies they get the burdens too, 424 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 11: they got to face all those regulations, but they just 425 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 11: move the production over to China. So you go from 426 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 11: a world where things are made in America the world 427 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 11: where things might even still be made by American companies, 428 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 11: but they're making it all in China. 429 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: Peter, why take anything to China when they have so 430 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: much control of the market. You know, So if I'm 431 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: making an apple products or something like that, this is 432 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: a pretty good example and I decide I would rather 433 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: move my factory to China because of all the laws 434 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: and regulations here in America. Well, why would I move 435 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: into a communist country where they control everything? What do 436 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: I get from that? 437 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 11: Yeah, well that's what's changing a lot now. So these 438 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 11: sort of dirty secret here. The way that China got 439 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 11: a lot of companies to move there instead of some 440 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 11: other poor country like Mexico is that they used access 441 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,120 Speaker 11: to their market as the carrot. So if you bem 442 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 11: W wanted to sell your cars in China, you had 443 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 11: to produce your cars in China. Now, ironically, that's exactly 444 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 11: what Donald Trump is proposing to do in America. And 445 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 11: guess what it works. If you have a large market. 446 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 11: It doesn't work. If you're a small country. If you're 447 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 11: like Honduras and you try to produce your own steel, 448 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 11: good luck, that's not going to work. But if you're 449 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 11: a large country in the US is about a quarter 450 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 11: of the entire world economy, all right, so we are 451 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 11: even bigger than China. 452 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 6: If you're a big market, yes, that works. You can 453 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 6: lean on companies. 454 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 11: You can tell, say, Toyota, if you guys want to 455 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 11: sell cars in America, you don't want tariffs on it, 456 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 11: you don't want harassment and on the customs. Then you 457 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 11: have to produce it here that absolutely worked for China, 458 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 11: worked in Korea, worked in Japan. 459 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 6: Donald Trump wants to. 460 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: Do it here. Okay, Peter, talk to me about this 461 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: Chinese economy. As you pointed out, we're still larger than them. 462 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: That gap is closing from what I understand. But how 463 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: is their economy? Because I where all my life. You 464 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: open up the newspaper one day and you'll find out 465 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: that this is some Chinese juggernaut that's going to overtake 466 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: us in fifteen minutes. And the next day you find 467 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: out it's hanging by a thread and they're about to 468 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: have some huge what is it? 469 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 11: Yeah, So I think that the fundamentals in China are 470 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 11: better than ours in many ways. When I was a kid, 471 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 11: people used to dismiss Japan. They said, ah, Asians don't 472 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 11: invent anything, they just copy stuff bs all right, if 473 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 11: you look at pattents, you look at you know, the 474 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 11: creative arts places like Japan and career knocking our stocks off. 475 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 11: It's not that there's some fundamental flaw in Asia and 476 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 11: China especially. It's been very very smart about the educational system. 477 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 11: It focuses on you know, math, reading, logic, A lot 478 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 11: of it is is industrial skills. So you have you know, 479 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 11: votech schools where kids actually start working in factories and 480 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 11: then they work their way up towards you know, design, 481 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,239 Speaker 11: and towards higher and higher and work. So China is, 482 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 11: I think, on the fundamentals that are very very much 483 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 11: on the ball. 484 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 6: They're very rational about. 485 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 11: Regulation, they understand the difficulties of manufacturing, and the government 486 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 11: tends to partner with companies and try to fix problems 487 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 11: and sort of sort of hunting them down. Having said, 488 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 11: China's problem at the moment is that the current leadership 489 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 11: is very very suspicious of markets. 490 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 6: So President She sort of idolizes mout Setangue. He thinks 491 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 6: that it was a mistake to. 492 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 11: Open up the economy so much that it has allowed 493 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 11: private businesses to start mustling in and taking power from 494 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 11: the Communist party. So She himself he has almost had 495 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 11: the growth rate in China. He's actually done worse. Recently, 496 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 11: China's flirting with actual recession. And so during most of 497 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 11: my lifetime China had been catching up. Since President She 498 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 11: came in, it's actually flattened out or in some ways, 499 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 11: the US is actual growing ahead of the China. 500 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 6: So if you know she's relatively young. 501 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 11: He's probably gonna be in power for another ten fifteen years. 502 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 11: Given how it works in China, he has wiped out 503 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 11: any sort of rivals. So the next ten or fifteen 504 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 11: years in China may actually be slow to declining. They 505 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 11: may start to look at sort of a Japanese style 506 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 11: lost decade. 507 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: Economically. What's the Russia Chinese relationship because traditionally the way 508 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: of thinking is Russia has the resources, doesn't have the people. 509 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: China has the people, not the resources. So they come 510 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: to some sort of an agreement. What's going on with that? 511 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, yeah, that's exactly right. That sort of 512 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 6: captures it. 513 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 11: Traditionally, Russia is aware that it would take very very 514 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 11: few Chinese to essentially steal the entire eastern two thirds 515 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 11: of the country. You know, Russia's population is about one 516 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 11: hundred and forty million. Almost all of those people live 517 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 11: in the western European part of the country. There's almost 518 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 11: nobody in the entire eastern part. So Russia has always 519 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 11: been very, very suspicious of Chinese immigration, of Chinese influence 520 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 11: in the East. What I think is sort of a 521 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 11: sad tragedy of what happened with the Ukraine War is 522 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 11: that the sanctions, the sort of Western aggressiveness towards Russia 523 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 11: has pushed it into the point where it is now 524 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 11: an economic colony of China. It's completely reliant on China. 525 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 11: The Chinese, of course, they're no dummies. They're taking advantage 526 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 11: of the Russians as much as possible to try to 527 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 11: grab resources and to grab control over Russia. And even 528 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 11: after that war ends, I think that the Chinese are 529 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 11: going to keep that control. And you know where we 530 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 11: go from here is that China is doing everything it 531 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 11: can to turn Russia into an economic colony. 532 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 6: They themselves have to be a little bit careful. 533 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 11: They don't want to cross the sanctions line and kid 534 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 11: sanctions thrown towards them. That was their concern under Biden. 535 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 11: Trump of course, is much more aggressive and much more 536 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 11: willing to do that. So I think China is trying 537 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 11: to be careful. But fundamentally I think that the longest 538 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 11: sort of effect of the Ukraine War is going to 539 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 11: be turning Russia into a colony of China. 540 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: Tell me about bricks. It's a conversation you and I 541 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: have had before. This alternate currency, the dollars, the world's 542 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,239 Speaker 1: reserve currency, and then Brazil, Russia, India, China and so 543 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: on and so forth have gotten together and decided they're 544 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: going to kind of try to come up with an 545 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: alternative to that. Does Trump getting elected kneecap that effort, 546 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: ramp up that effort? Where is all that? 547 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think both of us have been watching bricks 548 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 6: for a while. 549 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 11: And it's interesting because that's probably the most serious threat 550 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 11: to the US dollar in terms of another currency. 551 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 3: Now. 552 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 11: The real threat to the US dollars, of course, is 553 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 11: gold or some other commodity money as the dollar falls apart. 554 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 11: But Bricks was really the most serious currency competitor. And 555 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 11: to be honest, I think that Bricks has taken the 556 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 11: wind out of its own sales. 557 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 6: They came out this year and pivoted. 558 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 11: From as a sort of gold back, stronger competitive a 559 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 11: dollar to instead looking at this sort of goofy basket 560 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 11: of currencies where you throw in all of these frankly 561 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 11: pretty lousy currencies. You know, Brazil's got a hyperinflationary pass, 562 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 11: Russia as well. The Chinese currency is completely controlled by 563 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 11: the government. So this point, I think in the near 564 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 11: term Bricks is actually probably not a threat at all. 565 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 6: Russia is obviously very distracted with its war. 566 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 11: China's distracted with its own economic problems at this point 567 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 11: as well, as it's going to have to dance for 568 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 11: Trump or it's going to get into trouble. So I 569 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 11: don't think anything's going to come out of bricks at 570 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 11: this point in terms of what's next for the dollar. 571 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 6: I think there's actually a lot of sort of moving 572 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 6: parts there. 573 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 11: So on the one hand, Trump had threatened that any 574 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 11: country that goes too deep into the Bricks alliance, he's 575 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 11: gonna I think he threatened fifty one hundred percent sanctioned. 576 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 11: It was basically existential, that's economic war. But on the 577 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 11: other hand, Trump and JD. Vance both talked about wanting 578 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 11: a weaker dollar. The reason they want that is to 579 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 11: make US exports cheaper. I'm not a huge fan of 580 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 11: that because it also bankrupts the American people. So I 581 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 11: would rather that we, you know, fix the taxes, fix 582 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 11: the regulations, perhaps use strategic tariffs where you have bad 583 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 11: faith partners like China, rather than sort of selling off 584 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 11: the family jewels just to just to increase exports. 585 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 6: But Trump's got kind of a complex. 586 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 11: Relationship here where he's been very very hyper aggressive against 587 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 11: bricks as a threat to the US dollar. But at 588 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 11: the same time he's also welcomed the idea of a 589 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 11: weeker dollar. 590 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: Peter as always outstanding. Thank you, my friend. All right, 591 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: still not done with China quite yet. 592 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 3: Hang on. 593 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 8: The way our system works, the way our bureaucratic system works, 594 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 8: where the speed of weapons procurement works. 595 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 6: We're always a decade. 596 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 8: Behind and fighting the last war, whereas China there we 597 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 8: have a we have you know what Rompsfeldt say, you 598 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 8: go to the war of the army, you have we 599 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 8: have the army China's building an army specifically dedicated to 600 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 8: defeating the United States of America. 601 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 6: That is, that is their strategic outset. 602 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 12: Take hypersonic missiles. 603 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 6: So if our whole, if our whole. 604 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 8: Power projection platform is aircraft carriers and the ability to 605 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 8: project power that way strategically around the globe. And yeah, 606 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 8: we have a nuclear triad and all of that, but 607 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 8: a big part of it. And if you know, fifteen 608 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 8: hypersonic missiles can take out our ten aircraft carriers in 609 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 8: the first twenty minutes of a conflict, what does that 610 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 8: look like. 611 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: Oh, that's one of the most terrifying things I've ever heard, 612 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: and I have heard that before from people who would 613 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: know figured. Steve Yates is about as good a person 614 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: you can ask about these things as anyone around joining 615 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: me now, national security expert with the Heritage Foundation, Stephen Yates. Okay, Stephen, 616 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: I have heard this before, that we have a carrier 617 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: based navy and carry based military. You could make the 618 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: argument and that China is attempting to or has already succeeded, 619 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: depending on who you're talking to, come up with something 620 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: that will simply erase these things and sweep them off 621 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: the chessboard. What's going on? 622 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 13: Well, now, Secretary of Defense Hecseth was absolutely correct. We've 623 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 13: had this back and forth in Congress and in the 624 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 13: media for a very very long time. There's several annual 625 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 13: reports that commissions put out, that committees on the Hill 626 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 13: put out that have always noted that China's military capabilities 627 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 13: were as as Pete Hexseth stated, aimed at defeating the 628 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 13: United States, and that they were using comprehensive national power 629 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 13: to do that, and that their manufactur shuring supply chains. 630 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 12: We're racing far ahead. 631 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 13: Of our previous estimates and doing so in the United States, 632 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 13: as Secretary of Hegxith was noting has been just tragically 633 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 13: slow to come up with what's our concept of warfare 634 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 13: in this new era? But then our manufacturing supply chints 635 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 13: have been woefully slow, corrupted. 636 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: I would argue, and inadequate to the cause. Okay, that's 637 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: a lot. Let's focus on us right now. Why are 638 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: we so slow in coming up with this? Is this 639 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: just a change in administrations? You know, not that I 640 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: want to be a dirty communist in like China, but 641 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: the having that consistency does help maintaining one form policy vision? 642 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 12: Is it? 643 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 6: That is? 644 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: What is it? Why have we been slow? 645 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 3: Why? 646 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 13: I would argue that there is a part of this 647 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 13: that's strategic, and that's the part that changes an administration 648 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 13: can sometimes help where you have to get out of 649 00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 13: the mindset of winning the last last war and get 650 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 13: dialed into what are the current challenges facing us? And 651 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 13: we have new tools and so this administration has a 652 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 13: unique opportunity with incredibly different people from tech and manufacturing 653 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 13: and investment backgrounds that should, under the right circumstances, with 654 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 13: the right OMN be able to revolutionize our supply chains 655 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 13: and deploy tech assisted new forms of warfare that should 656 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 13: make things harder for China, so we get past that 657 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 13: carrier based approach that we've had basically since World War 658 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 13: Two and onward. 659 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 12: So that's one piece. 660 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 13: The manufacturing part though, that's where the swamp thing has 661 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 13: been the problem, where there's huge vested interests that constantly 662 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 13: deliver things late and over budget. We have allies that 663 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 13: have already paid and they're waiting years after targets to 664 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 13: receive deterrent that would help avoid Americans having to intervene. 665 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 13: And then there's the disservice to ourselves falling behind on 666 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 13: the number of ships and planes and other things that 667 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 13: we should have for our own national interests. 668 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: Stephen, People who pay attention to the budget and spending 669 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: when they hear people say what you just said, which 670 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: is true, that we're falling behind on planes and ships 671 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: and things like that, they look at the budget and 672 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: they asked the question I'm about to ask you, how 673 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: can that possibly be? How can we not have the 674 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: most state of the ships in the world right now 675 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: given the ridiculous military budget we have. If it's not 676 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: going to the ships, where's it going. 677 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 13: Well, I think it comes down to corruption. Inefficiency, and bureaucracy, 678 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 13: which may all be three ways of saying the same thing, 679 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 13: but that ultimately I think has been the Achilles heel 680 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 13: of the sole remaining superpower. It's why I think that 681 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 13: we have a generational opportunity that we need to seize 682 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 13: because if we miss it, I think that the Republic 683 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 13: is at risk. In this DOJE effort, it's got to 684 00:35:54,920 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 13: focus on redoing these manufacturing supply chain, specific in the 685 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 13: Pentagon and the Beltway bandits who have fueled those supply 686 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 13: chains for decades. That's where Elon Musk showed he was 687 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 13: able to outmatch NASA's bureaucracy and putting important technology into space. 688 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 13: We need to mirror that kind of effort inside government. 689 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 13: They'll meet with resistance, but that's where the pit bull 690 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 13: and chief needs to come in and the richest man 691 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 13: in the world and others need to weigh in to 692 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 13: carve out this new opportunity. 693 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: Let's go back to China's that's really what we're talking 694 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 1: about here. Tell me about these missiles, these hypersonic missiles. 695 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: Do we have countermeasures? What else is China doing that 696 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 1: concerns you? 697 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 13: Well, In short, China's doing everything and it's kind of 698 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 13: a joke, but it's a very serious situation. They are 699 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 13: investing in everything human intelligence to cyber capabilities to space assets. 700 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 13: They're investing in things that would defeat our core capabilities. 701 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 13: They've gone very, very far ahead in bio warfare and 702 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 13: chemical warfare. They don't really have the ethical restraints and 703 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 13: accountability restraints that we have in our systems, and. 704 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 12: So they've been pushing ahead in everything. 705 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 13: And they've also compromised our homeland security in any number 706 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,720 Speaker 13: of ways, from the border to all kinds of entities 707 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 13: that are psychologically damaging to our youth. Another discussion on 708 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 13: social media apps perhaps, but they have had a comprehensive 709 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 13: approach and they don't really see a pushback coming from 710 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 13: the United States until perhaps now. This is where President 711 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 13: Trump has the opportunity to reset this narrative of America 712 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 13: on decline and China on the rise, and somehow that's inevitable. 713 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 13: I think China's got some problems, and if Trump gets 714 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 13: America back on the right footing in defense and otherwise, 715 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 13: we have this golden age he's talked about, that will 716 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 13: have to recount what China's calculus is. 717 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: What problems do they have right now, Stevens, it's easy 718 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: when you look at the length and breadth of everything 719 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,280 Speaker 1: they're doing that it seems to just think, oh my gosh, 720 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: it is you know, the rising sun, if you will 721 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 1: pardon the pun. But they do have major problems too. 722 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 13: What are they they do And one of the things 723 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 13: that we can't kind of bank our lives on, but 724 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,439 Speaker 13: it's been a reality in every other conflict is they 725 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,359 Speaker 13: have a very large military order of battle when it's 726 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 13: on paper, but it is profoundly untested against peer or 727 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 13: better enemy combatants. And when you look at what the 728 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 13: Iraqi National Guard was going into the First Gulf War 729 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,760 Speaker 13: and later, and when you look at what Russia's prohibitive 730 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 13: military capability was going into Ukraine, these big powers, I 731 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 13: think have to be somewhat humble about what reality is 732 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 13: when they have to grind into actual combat. And so 733 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 13: there's that reality that comes into play. And China is 734 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 13: not known for quality control. They are known for manufacturing 735 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 13: at speed and volume and if things break, so be it, 736 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 13: and their people are expendable. Well, their people might not 737 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 13: like that, and they might not be as sustainable in 738 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 13: conflict as they think going into it. The people might 739 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 13: not be on board with sacrificing so much if they 740 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 13: aren't convinced that it was absolutely necessary. 741 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: These big powers like China and Russia, they stumble walking 742 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 1: into things like Ukraine. What is it that makes them 743 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: stumble is that the logistics? Do they not have the 744 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: people they think? Does their equipment just suck? You can 745 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: certainly see that being a problem for China. What is 746 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: it that makes them stumble? 747 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 13: Well, I think one of it is one part of 748 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 13: it is a reality that you know very well. It's 749 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 13: a lot easier to hit back, to attack, to try 750 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 13: to break something, to thwart something, than it is to invade, 751 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 13: occupy and. 752 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 12: Hold a different territory. 753 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 13: And that doesn't matter whether that is over air, sea, 754 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 13: or land. It is just a fundamental reality. If you 755 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,800 Speaker 13: have people and material that's positioned in a way to resist, 756 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 13: and there is a resiliency to that supply, it's tough. 757 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 13: And so I think when you look at what when 758 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 13: Russia went into Ukraine, you had Granny with a gun 759 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 13: willing to use it. That made some difference, but you 760 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 13: also just had this reality that could take some of 761 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 13: that territory and there near abroad. But they met with 762 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,359 Speaker 13: a resistance that has sustained for years. Ukraine still paid 763 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,399 Speaker 13: a dear price. If China moved against Taiwan, that would 764 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 13: be a price that no one really wants to have 765 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,760 Speaker 13: to pay. But China is untested in trying to see 766 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 13: how much they would really be willing to pay if 767 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,479 Speaker 13: they met with resistance and if Japan, Taiwan, the United 768 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 13: States and others were serious about capabilities that degraded China 769 00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 13: in its own territory. 770 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 12: And I think alter is the calculus. 771 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 13: I think we have frankly been fighting with hands tied 772 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 13: behind our backs with theories of the past, and that 773 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 13: has enabled China to get I think a little bit 774 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 13: too much Hubris. 775 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: Finally, Steven, let's talk about Japan really quickly. Ever since 776 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 1: World War Two, obviously there have been limits on what 777 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: they're allowed to do. But what are they? I know 778 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 1: they're not China. What are they? What are their capabilities? 779 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,359 Speaker 1: I know they're a valuable ally in all this. 780 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 13: Well, they are very good at manufacturing, they are very 781 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 13: I think good at quality control, and contrast to China, 782 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 13: they have had, as you ellude, some constraints that have 783 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 13: been placed upon them, some that they've put on themselves 784 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 13: to be committed to just pure self defense. 785 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 12: But former Prime Minister. 786 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 13: Shinzo Abe, the late Prime Minister, he began to change 787 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 13: their way of thinking about defense and recognizing that they 788 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 13: needed to have sort of active self defense, which is 789 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 13: euphemism for we're going to be able to be a 790 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 13: more normal country and punch beyond our territorial waters and 791 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 13: airspace when needed. And I think it's a good thing 792 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 13: for the United States and the world to have a 793 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 13: responsible stakeholder like Japan, which they may be a lethargic economy, 794 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 13: but they're still very big and they're a significant country, 795 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 13: and they have significant capabilities. They also have historic ties 796 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 13: to places like Taiwan that are underappreciated, and that's why 797 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 13: I think China has to be very careful. It's not 798 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,720 Speaker 13: just the United States that might have a national interest 799 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 13: in engaging Japan, and others may too, and so that's 800 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 13: what makes us less of a cake walk. 801 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:39,879 Speaker 12: We can't bank on that. 802 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 13: No one should take it easier lightly, but I think China, 803 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 13: if they're sober about this, should be more cautious than 804 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 13: they've been. 805 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 1: Here's hoping. Steven, Thank you so much. I appreciate you. 806 00:42:53,960 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: All right, Well, if you're back, it is important to 807 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: acknowledge that China is rapidly approaching status as being a 808 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: near peer economically, militarily. They are gaining on us, and 809 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: unlike other countries that have done that in the past, 810 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 1: or at least flirted with that, they are a dead 811 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 1: set on overtaking us. They write it down, they acknowledge it. 812 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 1: And so what does that mean for us? It doesn't 813 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,320 Speaker 1: mean we have to panic, run around screaming the sky 814 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: is falling, hiding under our desks, but it does mean 815 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,359 Speaker 1: we have to be equally as purposeful looking back at them, 816 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 1: trying to win because we clearly are in a competition. 817 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 1: They have made that decision, and we must win because 818 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,360 Speaker 1: losing means very, very ugly things. So we keep marching forward, 819 00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:05,720 Speaker 1: all right, do it again,