1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: today's best minds and Congressman Troy Nell's won't seek reelection. 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today. The 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: Lincoln Projects owner Rick Wilson joins us to discuss the 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: numerous people in Trump's White House who are doing crimes. 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to can't win victory Funds Kate Compton 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: Barr about why she's a Democrat running in a Republican 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: primary for Congress. But first the news, Smiley. 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: As we know, there was a horrible shooting of two 11 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: National Guards troops in DC. I'm going to shock you here, 12 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: but the Trump administration is looking for someone to blame 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: as always. But you know what's great. They brought out 14 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: Christy Nome with Kristen Welker on Meet the Press to 15 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: fed this all and can you guess how well it went? 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: I think you're going to play some sound now. 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: When we've at individual under this administration, we know who 18 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 3: they are, why they are here and going through that. 19 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 3: Unfortunately this individual, that entire process happened under Joe Biden's watch. 20 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 4: Well, but just to be very clear, We're going to 21 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 4: go back to what happened on the Trump administration's watch. 22 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 4: He was extensively vetted in order to serve alongside US 23 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 4: service members as a part of the CIA trained Strikeforce. 24 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 4: But in terms of what happened on the Trump administration's watch, 25 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 4: just to be very clear, what vetting did the Trump 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 4: administration do before giving this suspect asylum. 27 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 3: The vetting process, Kristen happens when the person comes into 28 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 3: the country, and Joe Biden completely did not vet any 29 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: of these individuals, did not vet this individual waited until 30 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 3: he got into the United States, and then that application 31 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 3: for asylum was opened under the Joe Biden administration when 32 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 3: he was the president in the White House and allowed 33 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 3: that to go forward with the information that they provided. 34 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 3: That's the Biden administration's responsibility. This is the consequences of 35 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: the dangerous situation he put our in when he allowed 36 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: those people to infiltrate our country during that abandonment of Afghanistan. 37 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 3: And that's why I'm so grateful we have a president 38 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 3: now that isn't going to allow it to happen. That 39 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: he now has put in place measures under his watch. 40 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 5: At the Department of home that we are bringing new 41 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 5: information on vetting, new information to use, such as what 42 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 5: do they do on Facebook, what do they do on 43 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 5: TikTok and other social media platforms, and who are they 44 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 5: talking to? Who are their conversations with and we use 45 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 5: their biometric data information now to track to make sure 46 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 5: they are who they say they are and they're here 47 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 5: for their right intentions. 48 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 4: So we are going to talk about some of the 49 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 4: steps the presidents taking, but it's just want to be 50 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 4: very clear about this, because his asylum was approved in 51 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 4: April of this year on the Trump administration's watch, So 52 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 4: just to be very clear, was there a vetting process 53 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 4: in place to approve that asylum request? 54 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, the vetting process all happened under Joe Biden's administer. 55 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 6: Was he vetted when. 56 00:02:58,600 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 4: He was wanted asylum? 57 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 6: Are you saying he wasn't vetted? Vetting? 58 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: Is vetting is happening when they come into the country, 59 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 3: and that was completely abandoned under Joe Biden's administration. 60 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: Oops, whats I mean? Look, I liked it when they said, 61 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: well what about with the court orders? And she said, 62 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: I give all the answers, I give all the decisions, 63 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: I do all of it. So here's the good news, 64 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: these people are morons. Truly, here's the bad news, these 65 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: people are criminals. 66 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 6: Yeah. 67 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: It does not inspire confidence at all when you literally 68 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: just stowwall at interview with the world's stupidest talking points 69 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: and just do it in a folks the accent that 70 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: makes us Sarah Palin sound fancy. 71 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: Sarah Palin is like an Albert Einstein compared to Secretary Christy. 72 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: I don't think that that's too far off, So Moley, 73 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: another feature of the Trump administration loves freeing criminals like 74 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: up to socializing things these days. This is like passion 75 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: number two. 76 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: I feel like, here's the deal, my man. Donald Trump 77 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: loves a pardon. He loves a pardon. He likes to pardon. 78 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: He pardons all the time. He's very into partning. And 79 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: why does he love to pardon? Why not? You know, 80 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that there's a reason that Donald Trump 81 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: loves to pardon so much that wouldn't be totally legit, 82 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: because I know Donald Trump is always the paragon of 83 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: honesty and truth. So I assume his love of pardons 84 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: just comes from his love of being a philanthropist. 85 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, not to say Eddie, what on our side 86 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: could do anything they want? 87 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: Certainly not think about when he pardoned everyone's favorite member 88 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: of Congress, George Santos, who did lots of crimes, and 89 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: he pardoned him because Donald Trump loves freedom. 90 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: I think he missed Santos' Twitter presence where he says 91 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: really nasty insults the people all day, and he just 92 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 2: wanted that back. 93 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: I think he wanted George Santos to be able to 94 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: get back to his work with orphans and his philanthropy. 95 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: Another volleyball guy, real stand up guy. 96 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: Speaking of stand up guys, the FDA is just filled 97 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: with them ever since RFK brought in a bunch of 98 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: kooks and wacos and they're now planning to change vaccine 99 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 2: approval processes. 100 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: I think it's worth realizing that we were just talking 101 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: about Secretary Christy, my favorite, and then we were talking 102 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: about Whiskey Pete, another genius operator. But it's worth remembering 103 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: the person who will ultimately have caused the most deaths 104 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: besides Marco Usa. What's that Rubio and Elon take from 105 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: the poor Mosque is ultimately going to be my man. 106 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: RFK swims in Rock Creek Park candidate junior. So let's 107 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: discuss they plan to change vaccine approval process, claiming that 108 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen vaccine called child deaths. Here's what COVID vaccine did, 109 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: not that. Okay, they're just trying to undermine vaccines. And 110 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: why are they doing that. They're doing that because partially 111 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: because RFK is part of this wellness influencer community, and 112 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: these wellness influencers do a lot of crazy, non scientific shit, 113 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: and so that's where we are. This is just sketchy 114 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: as hell, you know, that's where we are. So they're 115 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: gonna make it harder to get COVID vaccines. They're gonna 116 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: make it harder to get all vaccine. So that's why 117 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: if you should just be vaccinating, you know, get every 118 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: vaccine you can. I got the shingles vaccine. I know 119 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: I've talked about this before, but by the way, I 120 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: want to point out again this weekend a really incredible 121 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: piece in The New Yorker by Tatiana, the grand of JFK, 122 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: Tatiana Slasburg, and she wrote this really excellent piece about 123 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: having cancer, and she mentioned that her uncle had slash 124 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: funding for MR and A vaccines. MR and A vaccines 125 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: are the future of cancer treatment. He did it because 126 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: he doesn't believe in vaccines, because he swims in Rock 127 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: Creek Park, because he doesn't understand science, because he's all 128 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: of the things you think he would be. Find that 129 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: incredible article about Tatiana Slasburg and her battle with blood cancer. 130 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: It is absolutely worth reading in The New Yorker. A 131 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: heartbreaking story of a thirty four year old woman who's dying. 132 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: The two children has to watch her cousin just destroy 133 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: American medicine. Really important article to. 134 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 6: Read, Sabi. 135 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: One of the things we have to always decipher is 136 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: when Trump's trying to say something stupid to not talk 137 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: about the Epstein files and his other failures as a president, 138 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: and then when there saw that's really stupid, but also 139 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: gets that a greater thing that they're going to try 140 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: to do with this administration, and that is his new 141 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: aggression where he says all of Joe Biden's autopen signed 142 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: executive orders are all canceled out. 143 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, go find the picture of Donald Trump in mar 144 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: A Lago this weekend. I think that Tim Miller tweeted 145 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: it out. He does not look great. He does not 146 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: look great, but he's very worried about Joe Biden's autopen pardons. 147 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: He can't do that, you know, Like, my man's just 148 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: truth in it out right. He's truth socializing again and 149 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: again and again, trying to find something that I'll stick. 150 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: You're more likely to get a twenty five hundred dollars 151 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: Trump check than you are for Donald Trump to be 152 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: able to cancel Biden's autopen pardons or whatever else he 153 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: wants to cancel. Rick Wilson is the founder of The 154 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: Lincoln Project and the host of the Enemy's List. 155 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 6: Rick Wilson Welcome. 156 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 7: Back, Hey Molly, how are you. How's your Thanksgiving? 157 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 6: Just the best? Who doesn't love Paul Dray? 158 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 7: Absolutely we serve Duck this year. 159 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, because Turkey is terrible. Let's start with a man 160 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: called Steve. It turns out that being from a wealthy 161 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: real estate dynasty does not necessarily make you a genius negotiator. 162 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 6: A negotiator. 163 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I mean, look, I think I think the 164 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 7: most probably the ugliest, most devastating piece. 165 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 6: Folks. 166 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 7: You if you think you have a calibration on how 167 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 7: corrupt this administration is, go read the Washington Post piece 168 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 7: from this weekend on Witkoff and Kushner and Trump who 169 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 7: do not care about Ukraine or America's security. They're trying 170 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 7: to make personal financial deals with Russia. The classes of 171 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 7: course betraying Ukraine, but they want to make these financial 172 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 7: deals with Russia to cash in. It is a level 173 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 7: of corruption that even with these guys, I still look 174 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 7: at and go, uh what how Yeah, it's dark, It's true, 175 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 7: it's dark. 176 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 6: It's dark. 177 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: Also important to remember that Witkoff is also negotiating with 178 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: a guy who is also not serving in the federal government, 179 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: my man Jared Kushner. 180 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 7: And look, Molly, what we've got here is Kushner and 181 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 7: Witkoff and this clown show with Marco. They have now 182 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 7: in order to make separate side financial deals, taken the 183 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 7: bait with a Russian written, Russian design plan to end 184 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 7: the Ukraine War. Oh it's going to end, all right, 185 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 7: It's going to end with Russian troops and tanks in 186 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 7: the streets in Kiev. And so these guys have shown 187 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 7: us now abundantly clearly they are not about NATO American 188 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 7: security Ukraine. They're about making separate side deals. Like one 189 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 7: of wit Coss friends is a guy who wants to 190 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 7: buy the Russian nord Stream pipeline, and they are in 191 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 7: these rare earth mineral deals in Russia, and they want 192 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 7: to make do development deals in Russia. All of it 193 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 7: is so profoundly carre up. And the Russians are once 194 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 7: again playing Trump and everyone around him like a fiddle. 195 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: And I think it's important to see that not only 196 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: are they trying to cash in, but they're also just 197 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: completely incompetent like Russia. You know, there's leaked transcripts of 198 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: the phone calls with the Russian and Russian minister trying 199 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: saying like this is how you negotiate with. 200 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 7: Trump, when wik Coff is on the phone saying to 201 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 7: the Russians, here's how you manipulate Trump, Here's how you 202 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 7: get Trump. Here's how you make Trump bark like a dog. 203 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 7: I'm sorry, call me old fashion and traditionalist, but that 204 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 7: strikes me as sort of treasony. 205 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: And also just incompetent, and that I think the wit 206 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: coough incompetence really does. You know, they're corrupt, but they're 207 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: awesome incompetent, and. 208 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 7: So right, you can be corrupt and stupid. It's it's 209 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 7: a Venn diagram that overlaps very neatly with these people. 210 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: And by the way, thank god, because these guys were 211 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: good at what they did, we would not have these, 212 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: you know, leaks of the transcripts, leaks of the you know, 213 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: we would not have the kind of reporting we're starting 214 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: to see coming out. And by the way, think about 215 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: if we had a mainstream media like we had in 216 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, think about of the reporting we'd be getting 217 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: every day, Tron the documents. 218 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 7: And now they're so afraid to cover a story. They're 219 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 7: so afraid to stand up. They're terrified every minute of 220 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 7: the damn day that they're going to end up on 221 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 7: the new White House social media hate list. 222 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: Right, which was offline for a little bit today, which 223 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: I think is a great metaphor for this admin. 224 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 7: It is a singularly perfect metaphor for this administration, because 225 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 7: none of these people, when it comes to capability and 226 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 7: competence of anything. Even their trolling is bad. 227 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 6: Right right right, you know, even. 228 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 7: Their trolling attempts are blame. 229 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 1: That gets us to this next story, which is in 230 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: the New York Times today, which if you haven't read it, 231 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: it's rat avoid, which is my man, everyone's favorite, and 232 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: by by everyone, I mean no. One's favorite David David 233 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: Sacks all in podcast bro, crypto king and also kleptocrat. 234 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 7: Yes, David Sachs, who is a man who is never 235 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 7: not wrong. David Sax is wrong this ratio. Look, I 236 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 7: get things wrong all the time, but David Sax is wrong. 237 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 7: This ratio is cosmic. It is he is beyond the 238 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 7: valley of human understanding. How much of a wrong dipshit 239 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 7: he is about everything. 240 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: Except using his government connections to make money, and in 241 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: which that good about that? 242 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty freaking good at that. 243 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 7: This is a guy who you know, Susie Wiles even 244 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 7: said in that he re good piece. And it's like 245 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 7: Susie Willer's like, no, you can't host this under the 246 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 7: brand of your podcast. 247 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and does government. 248 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 6: Employee for Fox sake. 249 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: David's ax is basically a sort of mini Elon Right. 250 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: Elon comes in, he does government deals, he slices and 251 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 1: dices things he doesn't like, and that's what this is, 252 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: except is smaller but more corrupt, but also more annoying 253 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: for any numberle reasons. 254 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 7: Look, he's also the guy who is in charge of 255 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 7: in the White House crypto and AI. And we know 256 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 7: two things about this right now. We know that crypto 257 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 7: is on a free fall right now, But I was 258 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 7: told it was going to be the best thing since 259 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 7: prepared mustard for people and our economy. Not so much apparently. 260 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 6: And the other thing. 261 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 7: He's doing is AI, which is increasingly people are figuring 262 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 7: it out. The reason we're doing AI is to fire everybody. 263 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: Right. Well, that in itself is bad, but even worse 264 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: is that it seems so far what we've seen is 265 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: that it just it has, as far as I can tell, 266 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: almost no use except like sloppy photos and bad search. 267 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 6: Well. 268 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 7: Look, I mean, we're only going to invest one point 269 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 7: five trillion dollars right through the government, by the way, 270 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 7: as what helps Sam Waltman, that's what it does. 271 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine if they spend that money on like healthwarding healthcare. 272 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 6: Fuck healthcare. 273 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, we spend that money in healthcare, but 274 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: like reporting or. 275 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 7: Like imagine Molly, if they spent that money in education 276 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 7: and just straight up education for American kids, right, I mean, 277 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 7: imagine that for one second. 278 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 6: You know, all the arts, all. 279 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 7: These all these studies that are coming out this week, 280 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 7: Like you know, people no longer view college as a 281 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 7: worthhole investment. Well, of course they don't, because now you know, 282 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 7: you're talking about spending one hundreds of thousand of dollars 283 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 7: and AI is about to suck out the very life 284 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 7: out of every job sector that that doesn't involve, like 285 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 7: turning a wrench or wiring a circuit. 286 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: I think that some of this sayah stuff is really 287 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: exaggerated and so like, because I see a lot of 288 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: shit that's just. 289 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 7: Your lips, for God's ear. But I still have very graves. 290 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: Let's move on to whiskey Pete, my. 291 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 6: Man, whiskey, love our boy Pete. 292 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: It turns out that active alcoholism is not I say, 293 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: this is someone who's been sober since I was eighteen, 294 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: not not the best qualification for doing. 295 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 7: You know, I think, I think there are a lot 296 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 7: of people who have held that that is the case 297 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 7: for some time now, that being a you know, five 298 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 7: a day drunkard is not where you want to be. 299 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 7: If you're any secretary of defense. Having known a few 300 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 7: secretaries of defense, they generally are are men of probity 301 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 7: and discipline, and they are not crazy people who spend 302 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 7: more time on social media than they do working to 303 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 7: defend the country. 304 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 6: But that's whiskey Pete. Right there, let's just talk about this. 305 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,239 Speaker 1: He basically tweeted that he does war crimes. 306 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 6: Fucking you. 307 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 7: The answer was, I do war crimes. Fuck you. 308 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 6: Yeah, what are you going to do about it? 309 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: But not so unlike Secretary Christie, who was on the 310 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: Sunday shows saying, I defy court orders. What are you 311 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: going to do about it? 312 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 7: Yeah? By the way, christinome appears to increasingly be made 313 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 7: out of some sort of synthetic material. 314 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 6: I like it. 315 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: We don't criticize plastic surgery on this podcast. 316 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 7: Listen, everything everything in its place, and everything that's measure right. 317 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: But second Christie, she certainly had a lot of. 318 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 7: Basically, she basically came out today and was in a 319 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 7: position of saying. 320 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 6: Oh, well, I don't care, right, I do work. 321 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: I do work crimes, right, Yeah. I mean the question 322 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: of whether, like notice the SYMPI I do war crimes, 323 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: whiskey Pete. What I mean the reporting we saw today 324 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: is that after they had blown up the ship, they 325 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: may have, whiskey Pete, I have ordered for them to 326 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: go back and kill the two other people that they 327 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: thought may or may not. 328 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 7: Here's the thing, and I'm just I'm just gonna summarize 329 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 7: this right off the bat. Everything that they say about 330 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 7: the President has never issued in an illegal order or 331 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 7: the or the administration has never issued an illegal order 332 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 7: that was an illegal order, that was an illegal order. 333 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 7: There is no such thing an American military doctrine in 334 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 7: the Uniform Code of Military Justice that says no quarter 335 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 7: given just doesn't exist. 336 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 6: It doesn't exist. In fact, we are required. 337 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 7: And the example that is cited in the Manual of 338 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 7: the Uniform Code of Military Justice in this country. The 339 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 7: example that is cited says uses a case of what 340 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 7: if people are on a boat and they're and they're 341 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 7: injured and out of combat, and what do you do? 342 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:49,719 Speaker 1: Then? 343 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 7: Are you allowed to kill them? 344 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 6: And the answer is. 345 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: No, except if you're whiskey p and then the answer 346 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: is yes. Even though you're not in a war, right 347 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: you've declared war whatever, right you're you're not in a war. 348 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 7: But you're in a you're in a imaginary conflict with 349 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 7: supposed drug dealers who are allegedly taking these boats that 350 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 7: have like a two hundred mile range, and they're they 351 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 7: have to stop to refuel like seven times if they're 352 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 7: gonna get to America. But you better you better shoot 353 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 7: him out of the water right now, because obviously Donnie 354 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 7: will be unhappy unless you do. 355 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 6: Let's talk about what else we're seeing here. 356 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: So we have this poll that came out today that 357 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: was pretty fucking devastating. It was, I mean that the 358 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: morning console you saw that. 359 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 7: Yep. Look, Trump's numbers are basically cratering. They're not coming back. 360 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 7: There's nothing he is doing, and frankly, nothing he can do, 361 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 7: Molly to make this thing change. It's not gonna change. 362 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: Right. 363 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 7: He has killed his presidency. Anybody who doesn't get that 364 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 7: by now he's not paying attention. He has killed his 365 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 7: presidency economically and politically and temperamentally and morally and from corruption, 366 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 7: and it's all going downhill from here. It is never 367 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 7: going to get any better. This is not a world 368 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 7: where where people are gonna wake up tomorrow go You know, 369 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 7: Trump's had a really chaotic one hundred and ninety seven 370 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 7: days or whatever the number is now. But you know, 371 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 7: I'm really gonna give him a chance now because obviously 372 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 7: this is a guy who really, really, he's putting it 373 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 7: all out there, he's really doing his best. 374 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: He's not. But it is interesting to me that we 375 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: have gotten ourselves into such a moment here where there 376 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: is so we have these these these cratering numbers we have. 377 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: He's underwater on everything. Yep, Affordability continues to be this 378 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: sort of. 379 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 7: The bleed underneath everything with him is affordable right for 380 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 7: economy is kill laying him. And here's the funny part 381 00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 7: of this. You know that thing we always talked to 382 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 7: in the first administration, like there wasn't a lot of 383 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 7: adult supervision, but there were occasionally people who would go, sir, 384 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 7: we can't take this argument because no one will buy it. 385 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 6: Right right now, when he. 386 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 7: Says the economy is the best it's ever been, were 387 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 7: the hottest country in the world, every single person in 388 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 7: that White House it says, yes, sir, you're absolutely right. 389 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 7: There's no there's no dispute. Here's a poll that says so, 390 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 7: and it's it's all a lie and they're doing him 391 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 7: a massive disservice. But I'm here for that. 392 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 6: Can we do carry on, Susie Wiles? 393 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: Can we do a minute on what the problem the 394 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: Trump's big problem here because it is you know well, 395 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: but it's also he has an unreality problem. Right His 396 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: polls are he says his polls are great. He says, 397 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: his numbers are great. He says, the economy is great. 398 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 7: And that's why we definitely haven't released the numbers because 399 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 7: they're so great. We can't release those numbers. 400 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: But it is like when you have problems like that, 401 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: when you get into a sort of unreality problem which 402 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: his president has, there's no way out of it. Explain 403 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: to us what that is about. 404 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, Molly, A big part of this problem is once 405 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 7: you've decided, once you go all in on the bullshit, 406 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 7: once you go all in on saying the sky is 407 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 7: purple and not blue, you know, and Donald Trump, you know, 408 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 7: weighs one hundred and seventy five pousies more fit than 409 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 7: an AVC, and all the other garbage, all of that stuff. 410 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 7: It eventually adds up to where when you have to 411 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 7: tell the truth about something, even if it's something that's 412 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 7: actually good for you, nobody buys it. This is the 413 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 7: boy who cried wolf over and over and over again. 414 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 7: And unfortunately for Trump, you know, being the boy who 415 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 7: cried wolf, it runs directly up against the actual economic 416 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 7: realities of every American. Every American family knows the economy sucks. 417 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 7: They get it. They see it. They know their groceries 418 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 7: are more expensive. They're in the grocery store, they're swiping 419 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 7: that credit card to that ATM card in the grocery store. 420 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 7: They're paying those prices at the gas pump. 421 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 6: None of that. 422 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 7: You can't bullshit people away from what's really happening in 423 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 7: their actual lives. 424 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: One of the things Trump does, though, which I think 425 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: is interesting and I'd love you to talk about, is 426 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: he'll say, well, maybe we'll do a check, a dividend 427 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: check for techs. Sure, right, there's no way he can 428 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: do this, right, there's this one. 429 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 7: There is zero mechanism for doing this. And I will 430 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 7: tell you one other thing that I've heard over the 431 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 7: weekend from a person who was involved in the first administration. Yes, 432 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 7: told me that when they did the COVID checks, the 433 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 7: stimulus checks for COVID, that was one thing. There is 434 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 7: no appetite in Congress now at all to do a 435 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 7: fake tariff check. He could not get it through the House. 436 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 7: There are enough conservatives in the House. And I mean 437 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 7: that in the old way, the small sea way in 438 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 7: the House. Who are they going to go, oh, no, oh, no, 439 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 7: we're not spending X billion dollars to give out or 440 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 7: trillion dollars to give out two thousand dollars checks. 441 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: Which gets us to the Mike Johnson problem, which is 442 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: Donald Trump does not have a Speaker of the House 443 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: who is a Mitch McConnell. He doesn't even have god 444 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy. He's got a man who basically has At 445 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: this point, we are in discharge petition paloozo, which means 446 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: a discharge petition is when the House decides, fuck leadership, 447 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: these are things we want to vote on. 448 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 6: We're just going to bring them up ourselves. 449 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 7: We're just going to deal what we want. I mean, really, 450 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 7: it is. It is the end. It is the end 451 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 7: of the traditional speakership, all right, it is. It is 452 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 7: a It is a total departure from what used to be. 453 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 7: You know, remember, the House already decided, at least the 454 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 7: Republicans said they're not going to be a part of 455 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 7: the traditional tripartite government of having a legislative branch. They 456 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 7: already decided that, they already said. 457 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: Up their power because they let Trump and Russ Vought 458 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: take over. 459 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 7: That is correct, And because of that, we're now in 460 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 7: a position where no one in the House can say 461 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 7: no to Trump. Right, No one in the House can 462 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 7: say stop it, you're being crazy, or we won't do this. 463 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: But can I just say, no one in the House 464 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: leadership can. But Republicans in the House who are not 465 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: in leadership, with these discharge petitions, have very vocally said, 466 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: we don't have a fuck what Donald Trump wants. 467 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 7: I mean, there's a number of people that are supporting 468 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 7: these discharge petitions. Is rising, not falling, This is not 469 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 7: It's not going to ever get any easier. And in 470 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 7: terms of the spending to do the imaginary doze checks 471 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 7: or the imaginary tariff checks would require them to pass 472 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 7: a spending bill, as we have seen, they are not 473 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 7: great at passing spending bills. 474 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: Right, No, now, they are very much not great at 475 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: passing spending bills. I think that is a great a 476 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: mild way of plate, a mild way of placing. 477 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 6: Rick Wilson, Maud John Fast. Will you come back? 478 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 7: I sure will. 479 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: Kate Compton Barr is the founder of Can't Win Victory 480 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: Fund and a candidate in the Republican primary for North 481 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: Carolina's fourteenth congressional district. 482 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 8: Welcome to Best Politics, Kate bar Time, Ollie, thanks for 483 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 8: having me. 484 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 1: So glad to have you. You're running for Congress and 485 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: you're definitely gonna win. Absolutely, explain to us what the 486 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: play here is. 487 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 8: Yeah, So I'm running for Congress in North Carolina's fourteenth 488 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 8: congressional district, which is super jerrymanderd. 489 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: Who's the candidate you're running against? And what beliefs does 490 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: he have about women? 491 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 8: Go? Yeah, So I'm running against the Republican incumbent Tim Moore, 492 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 8: and I'm actually running in the Republican primary against him. 493 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 8: So I changed my letter in order to run in 494 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 8: the election that counts in our jerrymandered district. 495 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 9: Tim is known as a bit of a woman. 496 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 6: I would say. He actually got sued for. 497 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 8: Alienation of affection by the husband of one of Tim's girlfriends. 498 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 8: So I don't know, folks should go look at a 499 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 8: picture of him and decide how they feel about that. 500 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,239 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, can you explain what that is? 501 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 6: Yeah? 502 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 8: So, alienation of affection basically means stealing someone's spouse in 503 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 8: the South and out to be a thing you can 504 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 8: get sued for down here. 505 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: So embattled North Carolina House Speaker Tim Moore to run 506 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: for Congress. So he already had some problems back in 507 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three when he originally ran. So he's only 508 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: one term congressman. Yeah, and he has a lot of ladies. 509 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: I think it's fair we don't talk about the way 510 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: men look here because we don't want to objectify them. 511 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 6: Yes, correct, not hot though not. 512 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 8: Twing to do the opposite of objectifying him. He is 513 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 8: a one term congressman, but he was actually the leader 514 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 8: of the state House, and he did about five terms 515 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 8: in the North Carolina State House. 516 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 6: And there he met lots of women. Apparently he did 517 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 6: meet a lot. 518 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's him there he is, because we're not talking 519 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 8: about appearance. I also should throw out there that he's 520 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 8: shorter than me. Just I mean, you could be seven 521 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 8: feet tall. 522 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 6: Yeah. 523 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: And also he could have a lot of game, do 524 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: you guys. 525 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 9: I mean, he clearly has a lot of work in there. 526 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, because the fact that he has multiple girlfriends, so 527 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: much so that ex husbands are suing him. 528 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 8: Yes, this has hurt. He drives a maserati. So maybe 529 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 8: it's about the car. 530 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: Oh does he come from money? 531 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 8: Well, he has been a government employee for quite some time, 532 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 8: and I think he's just done really well for himself 533 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 8: in the stock market. 534 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,719 Speaker 6: If you know what I'm saying. Wow, Wow, all right, 535 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 6: So here we go. 536 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: This is Tim Morris. You run against Tim Moore. He 537 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: has been a member of Congress for a year and change. 538 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: Why are you running in a Republican primary in an. 539 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 6: R plus eleven ish? Yeah? Tell us why? 540 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: So? 541 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 8: I don't know if y'all saw North Carolina got further jerrymandered, 542 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 8: Like our state legislature drew new congressional maps a few 543 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 8: weeks ago, and we already had jerrymandered maps, so they 544 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 8: just like pushed it farther to try to get yet 545 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 8: another congressional seat. And basically what that means for voters 546 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 8: is that there's no competitive congressional district in our state 547 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 8: when you look at the general election, and we have 548 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 8: to run where the competition actually happens, which is in 549 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 8: primary elections. And in order to run in a primary 550 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 8: election that matters, I have to be a Republican because 551 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 8: the Republican primary is what will determine who goes to 552 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 8: Congress from my district. 553 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: What does your Republican primary look like? Is in an 554 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: open primary? What just sort of explained us the math 555 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: of your North Carolina primary, Because like I feel like 556 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: things are so bad for Republicans. I'm going to caveat this, 557 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: and anyone who listens podcast knows this. But things are 558 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: so bad for Republicans that plays like this would seem 559 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: insane could theoretically work. 560 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 8: Yeah, the math is really interesting here. So in North Carolina, 561 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 8: we have a partially closed primary, meaning that folks who 562 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 8: are registered Republican can vote in the Republican primary, and 563 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 8: folks who are registered unaffiliated can pull the Republican primary ballot. 564 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 6: The primary is on March third. 565 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 8: And North Carolinians are pretty smart and so the majority 566 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 8: of North Carolinians, especially in my district, are registered unaffiliated 567 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 8: because they know how this game works. The district has 568 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 8: five hundred and forty four thousand people in it, and 569 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 8: our estimated win number, because primary turnout is so low, 570 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 8: is thirty three thousand votes. 571 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 6: And that's where it gets kind of nuts. 572 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 8: And why someone like me who's running a completely progressive 573 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 8: platform could win a Republican prime. 574 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: Wow, what would you need? You would need how many 575 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: votes to win? 576 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 6: Thirty three thousand? Wow? 577 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 8: Yeah, so tell me how you do this. So the 578 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 8: district is thirty eight percent unaffiliated. Plenty of those folks 579 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 8: are left leaning. A tricky piece of all of this 580 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 8: is I'm kind of a woman with no party because 581 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 8: the Republican Party obviously is not supporting my candidacy in 582 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 8: any way. And then I'm not a Democrat, so the 583 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 8: Democratic Party is not supporting my candidacy in any way, 584 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 8: which means we don't have any builtrastructure infrastructure. 585 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 9: But that's also kind of awesome. 586 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 8: So we're going to go deep old school grassroots, like 587 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 8: Neighborhood Captains a lot of lit drops. We are going 588 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 8: to do like holiday gift bundles with hot chocolate and 589 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 8: a cookie in them and some vote for Kate Barr 590 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 8: stuff attached to it as part of that lit drop. 591 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 8: I'm hoping to do something called drunk dairymandering out in Gastonia. 592 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 9: What does that mean? In January? What does that mean? 593 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 5: Yeah? 594 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 8: Yeah, So drunk dairymandering is when we invite people who 595 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 8: are funnier than me and musicians who are more talented 596 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 8: than me to come and be awesome, and then in 597 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 8: the middle of it, I get kind of drunk and 598 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 8: try to give everyone the history of jerrymandering. 599 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 9: So it's like hiding vegetables inside a grilled cheese. 600 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, does that work? Yeah? 601 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 9: Surprisingly, people will show up for a thing like that. 602 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: No, I meant hiding the vegetables and the grilled cheese. 603 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 9: Oh, it works on one of my children, but not that, right, Yeah, 604 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 9: my daughter is. 605 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 6: Way too smart for that. I mean my kids. 606 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to talk about them, but if I were, 607 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: I would say that that has never worked. But also 608 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: I've never cooked for them. So the question here is 609 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: someone in a blue state of blue city far away, 610 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: what's appetite like for this? So far, it seems pretty high. 611 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 8: I mean, I've been running this for two weeks now, 612 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 8: so it's early days and this is going to be 613 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 8: a real sprint. But we had a town hall on 614 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 8: Wednesday night and I booked a room that would hold 615 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 8: twenty five people and we ended up with fifty folks there. 616 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 8: So people are really curious about what's going on. We're 617 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 8: also in this moment, at least my opinion, like we've 618 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 8: used to think about politics on this continuum from Democrat 619 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 8: to Republican and people kind of fell somewhere on that. 620 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,959 Speaker 8: But I think there's a different continuum happening, and that 621 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 8: is status quo to disruption, burn it down, And I 622 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 8: don't think that is as related to party so much 623 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 8: as it is to frankly age and life experience. A 624 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 8: lot of folks in this district are in a burn 625 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 8: it down place, and this candidacy is exactly that. 626 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot of burn it down 627 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: going on here. And let me rephrase that. I know, 628 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: just anecdotally, that there's a lot that people are very mad, 629 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: and that they are mad at Trump for sure, but 630 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: that my man, Chuck Schumer and the rest of the 631 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 1: crowd there, they are not you know, it's not twenty sixteen, 632 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: it's not Orange Man bad retweet if truth. 633 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's really true. And I mean, I frankly 634 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 8: share that feeling. 635 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 6: I think a lot of us do. 636 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 8: Yeah, and we're but we're in an opportunity where, you know, 637 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 8: we're at the start of something new and it feels 638 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 8: like chaos because it is, but we also have the 639 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 8: chance to build something better. That's what I would like 640 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 8: to be a part of. That's what I want to 641 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 8: keep thinking about. It's not about party affiliation. It's about 642 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 8: what does a better version of democracy look like on 643 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 8: the other side of this, And I think that's a 644 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 8: really interesting conversation to be having with folks. 645 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. So let's talk a little 646 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: bit about how you do this. So you do you 647 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: do grasps roots? You come from grassroots World. Tell us 648 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 1: your background a little bit. 649 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 8: Yeah, So I have a master's in public health, studied 650 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 8: all the commie community organizers, and then I worked in 651 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 8: behavioral science and persuasive communication for twenty years. Most of 652 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 8: that was remotely for the University of Michigan, trying to 653 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 8: help people make healthier life choices. So my experience is 654 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 8: trying to get people to quit smoking or eat vegetables 655 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 8: instead of sweet treats, which means I am great at 656 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 8: convincing people to do things that maybe feel uncomfortable to 657 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 8: them or that they don't want to do. 658 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 6: And then for a little bit and there I ran a. 659 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 8: Company just because I have add tell us about your organization. Yes, 660 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 8: So in twenty twenty four I ran first date Senate 661 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 8: as in the general election as a Democrat, and I 662 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 8: ran what we call it can't win campaign where I 663 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 8: just announced that I lost the day that I filed. 664 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 8: And that means it was like a protest against jerrymandering 665 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 8: the whole way through because in a Jerrymander district. The 666 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 8: outcome is decided before votes are cast. It's just about 667 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 8: how that district is drawn. And my plan was to 668 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 8: go back to my day job at Michigan as soon 669 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 8: as that election was over. But when we started pulling 670 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 8: the data, it looked like that campaign had actually been 671 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 8: successful in terms of driving up voter turnout the reddest 672 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 8: part of my district. That county was actually one of 673 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 8: only eight counties in North Carolina out of one hundred 674 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 8: to turn bluer in twenty twenty four. 675 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 6: I flipped some our. 676 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 8: Votes to D votes, about five hundred of them by 677 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 8: our count and I outperformed other state Senate candidates. And 678 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 8: we were like, who knew that telling everyone you were 679 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 8: a loser would actually motivate them to show up for you. 680 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 8: But it kind of made sense, right. These are people 681 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 8: that have not had any politician show up for them historically. 682 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 8: Knocked on one woman's door. She'd lived in that house 683 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 8: for forty years, she's eighty years old, and no candidate 684 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 8: or Canvasser had ever knocked on her door. And she 685 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 8: literally tried to give me a puppy in gratitude. And 686 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 8: so they don't a real Pepper, a puppy, a little baby. 687 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 8: It was like an English spaniel. 688 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,439 Speaker 6: It was very sweet. It's name was Many. 689 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 8: My daughter's never forgiven me for not bringing that dogs. 690 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 8: That's like I almost never forgive you. I know, it's terrible. 691 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 8: I mean, my husband would have filed paper. So I 692 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 8: did prioritize the family or the puppy, but it. 693 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 1: Was touch and go. 694 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 6: Yeah. 695 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 8: But because that campaign actually had positive outcomes for reaching people, 696 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 8: we launched something called the Can't Win Victory Fund, which 697 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 8: is a political nonprofit that supports candidates running in Jerrymander 698 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 8: districts that it's really hard to get support when you 699 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 8: run in one of those districts, whether it be from 700 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 8: a party or donors or whatever, because you're going to 701 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 8: lose and everybody's focused on the winnable races. But that's 702 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 8: like the democratic obsession with instant gratification. That's not a 703 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 8: plan for the future. So what we do is make 704 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 8: sure that awesome candidates have the skills and tools and 705 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,879 Speaker 8: like websites and social media experience and communications training, all 706 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 8: that stuff that they need to run high quality campaigns 707 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 8: even though they can't win. 708 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: So, do you have other places where you're doing that 709 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: and what is that? 710 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 6: Yeah? 711 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 8: Right now we're focused in North Carolina because North Carolina 712 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 8: filing deadline is December nineteenth, so that's coming right up. 713 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,280 Speaker 8: We have been asked to work in Texas and South 714 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 8: Carolina and Tennessee. We had been asked to work in Utah, 715 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 8: but their maps look a little better, so we're going 716 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,839 Speaker 8: to kind of see what happens there. 717 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 9: And we'll just keep growing, frankly, as much as we 718 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 9: can afford to. 719 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: Can you do just like a minute or two on 720 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: like when your primary is and how it would work? Yeah, 721 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: Republican primary in North Carolina. 722 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 8: Yeah, so the Republican primary is March third, and Republican 723 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 8: voters and unaffiliated voters will have the opportunity to register 724 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 8: for me. 725 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 6: Is their prevent and just is it just you and 726 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 6: the incombent? That's it so far? 727 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: Okay. 728 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 8: If there are Democrats who want to be able to 729 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 8: vote for me, they have until February sixth to change 730 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 8: their voter registration to unaffiliated and they can do that 731 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 8: either on the North Carolina DMV website or down at 732 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,439 Speaker 8: their local Board of Elections. It's super easy. It takes 733 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 8: about two minutes and you can change it right back 734 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 8: on March fourth, if you want to. 735 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 1: Right, that makes sense. I mean, being affiliated doesn't necessarily matter, 736 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: especially if it's so jerry mandard. 737 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 8: Yeah, Actually being unaffiliated is a powerful voter tool if 738 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 8: you don't plan to run for office. If you want 739 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 8: to run for office, you have to be registered to 740 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 8: either party or go collect signatures. Is an unaffiliated But 741 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 8: being unaffiliated is a powerful voting tool for folks in 742 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 8: this state because you can pick your primary ballot, so 743 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 8: you can vote on the ballot that's going to determine 744 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:05,479 Speaker 8: your leader. 745 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: You really have been in it with the jerrymandering. We 746 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 1: talk a lot about the idea that maybe this ends 747 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: up backfiring, that this ends up giving them a dummy mander. 748 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 1: Does that feel possible? 749 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 8: It does, And especially in a couple of districts like 750 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 8: the Texas twenty eighth and thirty fourth, which are like 751 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 8: right on the southern border. 752 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,720 Speaker 9: Places like that, right, the thing that still gives me pause. 753 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 8: This is like a feature of jerrymandering that we don't 754 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 8: talk about very much. Jerrymandering reduces the number of competitive districts, 755 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 8: which makes voter suppression more efficient and economical because you 756 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 8: have fewer places that you have to suppress the vote 757 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 8: to get the outcome you want. 758 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 9: And so as I look at the places that we 759 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 9: have ice. 760 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 8: And border patrol going, those places perfectly align with districts 761 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,879 Speaker 8: where we would be concerned where rather not we those 762 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 8: districts perfectly align with places that Donald Trump would be 763 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 8: concerned Latino voters would vote Democrat. So the whole state 764 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 8: of North Carolina, because we have a really competitive Senate 765 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 8: race in twenty twenty six, is. 766 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 9: Ripe for voter suppression tactics. 767 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 8: We even saw just two days ago the Greenland, Greensboro 768 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 8: AT and CA and T. The Guildford County Board of 769 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 8: Elections is closing some of the early voting sites in 770 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 8: the student communities and in communities of color, beding that 771 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,239 Speaker 8: they don't have resources, but really really right. So the 772 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 8: thing that makes me worried about counting on dummy manders 773 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 8: or on a blue tsunami is that, even if we 774 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 8: have the will for that, I'm worried we're gonna have 775 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 8: a lot of. 776 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,240 Speaker 6: Voters who are afraid to go to the polls. 777 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: Kate Barr, I hope you'll come back. 778 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 9: I would love to. Thanks for having me. 779 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:03,319 Speaker 2: No moment soon Rick Wilson, Well, I junk fast, you 780 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 2: are an amazing assistant. 781 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 6: Now I'm reading these. 782 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: On On did a really good piece about this in 783 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 1: The Times about how if the fancier you are, the 784 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: less you have to know how to spell or punctuate, which. 785 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 7: By the way, I'm not unfancy, but spelling and punctuation 786 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 7: is not Jeffrey Epstein's trunk suit. 787 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: It's not his milieu. But speaking of which, he did 788 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: spend a lot. He wrote a lot of emails to 789 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people, including. 790 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 6: Steve, our good friend, Steve scablrd Bannon. 791 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: So let's talk about these emails. 792 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 7: Well, he's helping Steve do travel arrangements from Europe. He's 793 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,839 Speaker 7: giving Steve advice on dealing with European political leaders because 794 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,919 Speaker 7: Bannon wanted to set up his Nazi Hogwarts school over 795 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 7: in Italy. 796 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 1: Oh right, remember Nazi Hogwarts. I forgot about that from 797 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 1: season one. 798 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 7: Oh I remember it very well because I played a 799 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 7: small role in killing Nazi Hogwarts. 800 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 6: Michell. 801 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 7: Tell the story another time, but. 802 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 1: Yes, heartwarming. But in this story, you have a lot 803 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,439 Speaker 1: of emails between the two of them. There's a lot 804 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: of let's see, Bannon wrote, there's a crazy jihad against you. 805 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,240 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it, and I've seen a lot. Yeah, 806 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:11,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. 807 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,240 Speaker 7: That there is you know what, I'm just going to say, 808 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 7: Brother Steve has a lot more explaining to do than 809 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 7: he would like to admit. 810 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,839 Speaker 1: By the way, every time he saw Trump criticism, he said, 811 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 1: it's apo, dude, I do this for a living. The 812 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: pieces are dropping are deeply researched anyway, So go on. 813 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, well, okay, Steve, thanks for talking the lingo, Steve. Strangely, 814 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,760 Speaker 7: these people on the right who are hyperactively obsessive about 815 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 7: all things regarding any Democrat, even vaguely adjacent to Jeffrey Epstein, 816 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 7: there's been a massive wailing silence when it comes to 817 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 7: his sloppy Steve and his buddy Jeff who when you 818 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 7: read those emails, folks, Steve Bannon is helping him, and 819 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,320 Speaker 7: he said it to him, I can give you MAGA 820 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 7: as a shield. I can help use MAGA to protect 821 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,839 Speaker 7: and re form your image. Guys, at this point, we 822 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 7: knew who Jeffrey Epstein was as a human being. This 823 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 7: is moments before he gets arrested on federal charges, and 824 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 7: Steve Bannon has had a total skate on this because 825 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 7: he's on the fucking speed dials of a lot of 826 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 7: reporters and he gets a good quote. 827 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 6: Yeah. 828 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: I also think that we're going to see a lot 829 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 1: of stuff. We're going to see a lot of emails, 830 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 1: and we already saw Larry Summer's resign. I think, and look, Democrat, Republican, 831 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: lock them all up. We don't care. It's a non 832 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: partisan activity. 833 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 7: If it is Bill Clinton in there, so be it. 834 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 6: That's it, so be it. Yeah, go for it. Moving on. 835 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 836 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear the best 837 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. If 838 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a friend 839 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,280 Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. Thanks for listening.