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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm Jackie Goldschneider. I'm Jen Fessler, and we

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Speaker 1: are two Jersey Jays. And Jen, you are freshly back

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Speaker 1: from La and a girls trip. How are you feeling?

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Speaker 2: It actually was? It was what was sort of a

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Speaker 2: girl's trip. I went to La so I told you this,

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Speaker 2: But Jeff has a conference every year in Laguna. It's

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Speaker 2: like the most fun. So I usually go for this conference.

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Speaker 2: This year just hoppen to coincide with a few things

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Speaker 2: that I was able to pull off, like the iHeart

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Speaker 2: Music Awards.

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Speaker 1: I had BAUMO.

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Speaker 2: It was so unbelievably over the top grade. It was

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Speaker 2: so much fun. Yeah, just got to like mix it

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Speaker 2: up with the likes of Benson Boone and Henry Winkler.

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Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, Zoe Winkler is we're going

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Speaker 2: to have her on the pod.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I know, I know, I don't know her at all.

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Speaker 1: Is she meeting zo?

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Speaker 2: She is a living doll? And so she's actually having

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Speaker 2: Ron Howard on. She wants us to come on hers

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Speaker 2: as well, but she's having oh like Ron Howard on next,

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Speaker 1: Oh, so that's exciting. Yeah, and then you went to Texas?

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Speaker 2: Huh, so I was in Texas because I have these

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Speaker 2: three best friends from high school and one of them

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Speaker 2: is still is in Houston. So we've talked about it before,

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Speaker 2: but I grew up in Houston, and she's been wanting

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Speaker 2: us to join her at the rodeo. She's on all

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Speaker 2: these rodeo committees in Houston. So I was finally able

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Speaker 2: my god, an old Dominion was playing. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: just I haven't been back to Texas in like thirty

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Speaker 2: five years. Well that's not true. I haven't been back

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Speaker 2: to Houston in thirty five years. And I got to

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Speaker 2: visit my old high school and.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's so nice. That's really nicely great. I thought

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Speaker 1: you went to Texas more often than that. I went

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Speaker 1: to a rodeo and we went to Jackson Hall like

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Speaker 1: a year and a half ago, and we went to

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Speaker 1: on like the East Coast, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, oh one hundred. There's there were certain things, certain

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Speaker 2: aspects of it that I don't love, just I don't know,

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Speaker 2: being an animal lover, and I'm kind of unsure about

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Speaker 2: they say that they take such good care of the

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Speaker 2: animals at Rodeo, but I don't know. Some of it

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Speaker 2: was hard for me to watch. But anyway, having said that, anyway,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really really fun. Time you look refresh. Yes.

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Speaker 2: Oh and when I was at iHeart, I got to

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Speaker 2: meet one of the favorite one of my favorite people

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Speaker 2: that I got to meet was Tory Spelling.

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Speaker 1: Oh, which ties in perfectly today.

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Speaker 2: It does, Yes, it does.

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Speaker 1: I almost like don't want to meet my heroes because

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Speaker 1: like I have these women in my head as like

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Speaker 1: I just idolized them when I was a kid watching them.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're just a little bit older than I am,

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Speaker 1: and so when I was a young teen just watching

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Speaker 1: them on nine, O, two and O was just like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, the same special yeah yeah, And she

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Speaker 2: was so warm, she was there was a kind of

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Speaker 2: don't know, I kind of tapped her on the shoulder.

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Speaker 2: She turned around, she knew who we were, so that

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Speaker 2: just I was just labergasted by that. And then she kind

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Speaker 2: I'm like, we're gonna talk. I mean, it's just this

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Speaker 2: is the nine o two one a week. I'm like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: By the way, we have a very special guest today.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is none other than Kelly Taylor herself, Jenny Garth.

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Speaker 1: I almost can't believe it because, like I, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just these people were never real to me, you know,

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Speaker 1: But she is actually quite She has lived quite an

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Speaker 1: interesting life from child star to you know, very interesting

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Speaker 1: So I'm really excited to dig into all of it

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Speaker 1: with Harber. So Jenny, he's skyrocketed to start him with

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Speaker 1: her role as Kelly Taylor on Beverly Hills nine o

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Speaker 1: two and oh the original For anyone younger who's listening,

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Speaker 1: We're not talking about the one that came out ten

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Speaker 1: like the first the first go round, the show became

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Speaker 1: like a ratings success, lasting ten seasons and it remains

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Speaker 1: one of the most successful and iconic television series ever produced.

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Speaker 1: And then She's worked in a whole bunch of more

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Speaker 1: TV shows and films What I Like About You with

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Speaker 1: Amanda Vines, Hallmark Movies, Lifetime Movies, many more. She's an

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Speaker 1: entrepreneur with a fashion line Me by Jenny Garth. She's

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Speaker 1: the host of three different podcasts on iHeart Nine, O

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Speaker 1: two to one, MG, I Choose Me, and I Do

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Speaker 1: Part Two. She lives in LA with her husband Dave,

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Speaker 1: three daughters.

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Speaker 2: It's so funny think of Jenny Garth with three daughters

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Speaker 1: Well they're also are now they're like no adult all right,

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Speaker 1: well my age? I think no, No, the daughters are

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Speaker 2: Jenny's like my age. I mean you're younger, right.

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Speaker 1: I'm forty eight.

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Speaker 2: I think she's maybe early fifties.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, early fifties, so right, rights back between us, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like those younger listeners, whoever's out there listening to us

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Speaker 2: And trying to think of the equivalent, Jack, it would

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Speaker 2: be like.

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Speaker 1: I feel like middle aged. Like it's I don't think

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Speaker 2: Which I appear very much, being that we are ten

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Speaker 1: Do you think of yourself as I'm not asking this

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Speaker 1: for you to freak out, but like almost sixty but

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Speaker 1: It doesn't.

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Speaker 2: First all, I don't at all freak out. I think

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Speaker 2: of I mean, fifty six. I'll be fifty seven in August,

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know why it doesn't freak me out. Really,

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Speaker 2: it's uh and I almost feel very proud of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have a lot of things to show for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we all do.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Jenny Garth By, We are so excited to have you.

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Speaker 2: I was just telling Jackie how I was at the

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Speaker 2: iHeart Awards this past week weekend and I got to

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Speaker 2: talking to you now like it's just normal and you

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Speaker 2: and I chat on the phone all the time. But

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Speaker 2: it's for I think women and jet for Jackie too.

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Speaker 2: For us, it's like, yeah, women our age. It's hard

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Speaker 2: it's I'm trying to think of the modern day Jenny

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Speaker 2: Garth for her It's huge for us, you guys, I mean,

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Speaker 2: we grew wanted to be. I alternated between you and Brenda.

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Speaker 2: Kelly and Brenda. Really, I think everyone did.

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Speaker 1: Everyone our age did. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Was obviously your most I mean to me, your most

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Speaker 3: And yeah, absolutely, that was my breakout role.

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Speaker 4: That was the role that gave me the life I

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Speaker 4: have now, Like without that show, without that role, playing

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Speaker 4: Kelly Taylor in my life would be completely different. And

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Speaker 4: I'm just I'm always just keep that in mind.

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Speaker 3: I'm so grateful for it.

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Speaker 4: But I've done other work that has, you know, been

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Speaker 4: fulfilling in different ways. But that is the show that

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Speaker 2: I think for sure that, Yeah, I'm sure that's I

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Speaker 2: love that you're grateful for it like that, because I

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Speaker 3: It definitely really can.

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Speaker 4: But I mean I have always been really super in

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Speaker 3: And I think, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, I'm yeah, internally grateful for it.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about what it's like to be an

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Speaker 1: I we found like dalist fame, a reality show fame

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Speaker 1: in middle age, and even that is overwhelming. But as

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Speaker 3: It was weird.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the show didn't break out for like a good season,

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Speaker 4: And I sort of went into this weird like I

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Speaker 4: I love to be home and I it was it

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Speaker 2: So interesting. Do any of any of the other cast

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Speaker 2: Was was that the case with you guys, or was

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Speaker 2: that anyone shell shocked?

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Speaker 4: I really couldn't tell you what the others fully experienced

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Speaker 3: I know for me it was complete shell shock, complete

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Speaker 4: I'm a Midwestern girl. I'm as normal as they come,

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Speaker 4: and nobody in my family had ever had anything to

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Speaker 4: this was absolutely like way out of my comfort zone.

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Speaker 4: I think some people do thrive in that environment, and

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Speaker 4: I learned to make it work with my life, Like

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Speaker 4: I had to really keep that in my job category

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Speaker 4: am authentically. So there was a lot of learning to

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Speaker 4: live with fame that I went through over the years.

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Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah, well, you wouldn't have known it by

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Speaker 1: watching you. You always seemed to very like just perfect,

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Speaker 1: like Kelly Kelly Taylor and you just both seemed perfect.

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Speaker 4: No, I've I've tried to hide from it and that

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Speaker 4: getting still with something, realizing what you want, and then

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Speaker 4: taking the steps to get there.

444
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Speaker 3: And it's it.

445
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 4: Sounds so overwhelming, but if you break it down into steps,

446
00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 4: it's something we can all do.

447
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 3: And I always thought of it as like having a

448
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 3: little ball, like a rubber ball.

449
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 4: And pushing it up a mountain with my nose and

450
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,479
Speaker 4: like just trying to get the ball, and we come

451
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 4: back down and then I push you back up again

452
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 4: and then we'll come back down a little bit. So

453
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Speaker 4: for me, that's what life has been like. And I

454
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Speaker 4: feel like I'm like on the sort of all plateau

455
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 4: of the mountain right now, feeling very safe, feeling very

456
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Speaker 4: good about where I am.

457
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 3: But there's always a bigger mountain to climb. You know,

458
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Speaker 3: if you.

459
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Speaker 1: Want that, I love that. I love that because I do.

460
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Speaker 1: I think both of us feel sort of at a

461
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Speaker 1: crossroads right now. I know, at least I do. Our

462
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 1: show that we've always had is paused, and we're kind

463
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Speaker 1: of considering what the next parts of our you know,

464
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Speaker 1: I have children who are going to be leaving the

465
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Speaker 1: home in a few years, and and I just am

466
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out the rest of my life and

467
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Speaker 1: what I want. So that vision board, you know, I

468
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Speaker 1: never really considered making one, but if it, if you're

469
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Speaker 1: telling me about it.

470
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Speaker 2: I'm right, I feel so like I'm fascinated by it.

471
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Speaker 2: Will you give us an example of just one thing

472
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Speaker 2: on the vision board, like I'm trying to picture myself actually,

473
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 2: you know, taking run it, what's here, scrambled in here,

474
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 2: put it out there, onto side, start.

475
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 3: With putting it, throwing it all up there.

476
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 4: Just get it out of here and put it up

477
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Speaker 4: on a board where you're actually seeing all the things

478
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 4: that are in your head. And then you start to

479
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 4: sort of some of them rise to the top, and

480
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 4: then the ones that rise to the top energetically, opportunities

481
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 4: will come to you that will fit with those. It's

482
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Speaker 4: there's something about you know, definitely about envisioning the life

483
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 4: you want and really getting specific about it, and then

484
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Speaker 4: once your mind is in that energetic place, things will

485
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Speaker 4: come to you. It is I can't really explain it.

486
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Speaker 4: It's just the way it is, and I.

487
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Speaker 2: Feel it's you are explaining it. I just I love specifics,

488
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: like I work so well. I can't be big, you know,

489
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: sort of dream of something, make it happen has never

490
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Speaker 2: worked for me. I want to know. Okay, so I'm

491
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 2: going to go out to Staples and I'm going to

492
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Speaker 2: buy the piece of post word.

493
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 3: You can get a poster, order a white board.

494
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Speaker 1: I like a white yeah, I mean it like I like.

495
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Speaker 2: I like instructions.

496
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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, get a bose. Then put it all up

497
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Speaker 3: on the board. Get all your ideas out, you.

498
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Speaker 2: Know, you give us an example, like what was one

499
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Speaker 2: of the ones. Hell's one of the ones that you

500
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Speaker 2: put up there.

501
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Speaker 4: And then the one for twenty twenty four was start

502
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Speaker 4: my brand, start a brand, Start my brand, and I

503
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Speaker 4: had specifically start me by Jenny Garth.

504
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Speaker 3: That was the brand, and.

505
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Speaker 4: I had no concept of how I was going to

506
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Speaker 4: do it. I had I've never started a brand from

507
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 4: I have started a brand from the ground up with

508
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Speaker 4: a partner, but I had never done it solo, and

509
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 4: so I knew how to do it step by step.

510
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 4: It was just a matter of like hunkering down and

511
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Speaker 4: doing the work, because it is a nine to six

512
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Speaker 4: pm job.

513
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Speaker 3: Every single day I.

514
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Speaker 4: Go into my office, I submer urge myself in the

515
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 4: world that I want to create with, you know, those

516
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 4: inspirational messages in front of me, and then I just work.

517
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 3: I make calls, I send emails, I.

518
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 4: Think about who do I know, what doors could I

519
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 4: find that are slightly open, and then those are the

520
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 4: things that sort of fall into place.

521
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Speaker 3: One of the things, you know, one of the.

522
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Speaker 4: Things has always to make sure I'm creating in a

523
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 4: daily a date on my daily calendar, me time where

524
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Speaker 4: you know, whether it's going to the gym, whether it's

525
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 4: going and taking a nice bath, doing like a whole

526
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 4: skincare moment for myself, whether it's eating healthy, prepping my food.

527
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Speaker 3: You know, all those things are part of the whole picture.

528
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 4: So you have to really think about what your balanced

529
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 4: life will look like, and so the specifics of it

530
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 4: are just as important as doing it.

531
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Speaker 3: You know, it's just you've got to really visualize it.

532
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Yeah.

533
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Speaker 2: Do you feel happier now at your age? And so

534
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Speaker 2: I've also battled pression and anxiety and all of that.

535
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: But as I've gotten older, I feel better about myself,

536
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: about my life. I mean, and it's funny, right, it

537
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 2: seems antithetical to aging, but I feel more calm and

538
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: peaceful and like I have just more of a sense

539
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 2: of self. Are you, And I'm thinking about you, coming

540
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: from such fame and fortunate at such a young age,

541
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Speaker 2: you probably I would think that you feel even calmer

542
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: and better about yourself now than maybe when you were seventeen.

543
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean in my early life I was thrown

544
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 4: into this world such a fish out of water, really

545
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 4: trying struggling to figure out my place and how.

546
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Speaker 3: To maintain my own sense of self within it all.

547
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 3: And that was really hard for me.

548
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Speaker 4: I mean, not to mention, my job was stepping into

549
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Speaker 4: somebody else's shoes every day, putting on a different character,

550
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Speaker 4: whatever the job was. So it's been a lot of

551
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 4: my time not even being myself. It was being another somebody,

552
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 4: whoever the character was I was portraying, And so I

553
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 4: really lost myself along.

554
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 3: The way, I.

555
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 4: Didn't have, you know, And I'm kind of the person

556
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 4: too that loses themselves in I've lost myself in motherhood.

557
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 3: I lost myself in.

558
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 4: My relationship, and it took a lot of work to

559
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 4: reclaim my identity and fall back in love with myself

560
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 4: first and foremost. And I think that when you reach

561
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 4: that point where you can honestly tell yourself I love

562
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,959
Speaker 4: you and I'm going to take care of you today,

563
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 4: that's the point when your life just starts to blossom

564
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 4: and it's indescribable.

565
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: Was that reason that realization?

566
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I turned fifty and I was like, Okay, I've

567
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 4: got to get my shit together. I need to have

568
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 4: some I need to figure out my purpose. I need

569
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 4: to have that drive that I know is inside of

570
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 4: me and there are things that I know I'm destined

571
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 4: to do. But I was just afraid. I was frozen

572
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 4: with fear, and I was I didn't think there was

573
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 4: room for me. Like you look, say you want to

574
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 4: start a skincare line.

575
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 3: There's a million skincare lines.

576
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 4: Out there, right and you look on the internet and

577
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 4: you're seeing your feet and you're like, oh my gosh,

578
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 4: look how beautiful that is? And look how successful they are,

579
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 4: and wow, that's such a cool group of women. And

580
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 4: once I stop thinking like I'm watching it and started

581
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 4: thinking like I'm in it with them, Like I found

582
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 4: this like ability to find my seat at that table

583
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,479
Speaker 4: within my own concept. You know.

584
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: I love that because I'm going through the same thing

585
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: right now. I just started my second book and I'm like, well,

586
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm never going to write it as well as like

587
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: all these people on the bestseller list, But I have

588
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: to stop. I have to just think of myself as

589
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: one of them. Right, So you just have to think.

590
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: Of yourself every day.

591
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 4: Remind yourself to go back to the who you are

592
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 4: at your core, what makes you authentic to yourself, and

593
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 4: just stop trying to be what anybody else thinks or

594
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 4: wants or expects, but just come back to I am enough.

595
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: Like I know it sounds corny and but it's so true.

596
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 4: Like just on the way home from the gym, I

597
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, I love myself so much.

598
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 4: I was like doing my affirmations in the car. And

599
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 4: it's daily practice. It's daily work.

600
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: If you want to know.

601
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Speaker 1: It's also probably staying off of social media because that's

602
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: a landscape where everybody tells you who you are, and

603
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: especially as a reality persona where you're living your real

604
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: life and the cameras they tell you know how well

605
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: you're living or if you're you know, doing well at

606
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: life or not. And it's really like you can convince

607
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: yourself of the majority opinion on there when.

608
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely and you can.

609
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I do it.

610
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 4: I don't scroll doom scrolling they call it, right, and

611
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 4: I get into a real place of compare despair, Like

612
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 4: when I start looking to everybody else's perfect lives and

613
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 4: how accomplished and successful and fun it looks, I go

614
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 4: to a place that's not healthy for me, like and

615
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 4: I have to stay I have to stay away from it.

616
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 4: And that's a daily choice to just stay focused on

617
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 4: the prize for myself and for my family and not

618
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 4: let all that other stuff get in my head because

619
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Speaker 4: I are you able.

620
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Speaker 1: To do it?

621
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: With it in there?

622
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: Are you able to stop? I mean, I've tried made

623
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: this promise to myself, and every day I'm still not

624
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: there yet I get sucked back into the abyss. I

625
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: mean it's so depressing because I know that days that

626
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: I don't do it, hours that I don't get stuck scrolling.

627
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: Are happier hours, yeah, more peaceful hours, right, But I

628
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: still still it pulls me back in.

629
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Speaker 4: I know, I'll find myself dipping in a little bit,

630
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 4: Like I'll go in and try and do I like

631
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 4: to engage with my with my friends on there, and

632
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 4: I will be like and then I'll all sudden by

633
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 4: myself scrolling and I'm like, ohoa, we're not doing that.

634
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 4: We have other things that are more important than this.

635
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 4: So you just got to talk yourself down.

636
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: So you're three girls there are they're adults now, right?

637
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: I mean there were always little girls on the red

638
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: carpet with you. Are they are they home? Are you

639
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: empty nesting?

640
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 4: I'm about to officially enter into the empty nests zone

641
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 4: my eighteen year old graduating.

642
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 3: It's the last. However, I have a daughter that moved

643
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: back in with me, uh.

644
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 4: So, which I love, Like I'm not compained at all,

645
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 4: But she still feels like she is fulling the coop.

646
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 4: So I kind of feel like a roommate with her now, which.

647
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: Is how I love. Yeah, and you're all.

648
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: Doing their own things, which is amazing.

649
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: That's really great. It's great to watch your kids just

650
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: succeed in life. It is many actresses been married. You've

651
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: been married to Dave is your third husband? You said, yeah, yeah, okay,

652
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: and there's a nine year age gap. Was that difficult

653
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: to navigate? Was it? Did you not feel it?

654
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: I definitely considered it.

655
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 4: In the very beginning, I knew that we were in

656
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 4: two different sort of developmental places because I had just

657
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 4: come out of doing a ton and ton a ton

658
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 4: of self work and going on solo trips and you know,

659
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 4: seeking out all the things I could find to enrich myself.

660
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: And he was not in that space yet.

661
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 4: But we fell for each other and he fulfilled a

662
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: lot of different parts of me, Like he brought in

663
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 4: this beautiful levity, and he made our family feel that

664
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 4: laughter again, which we had kind of lost after the divorce.

665
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: And yeah, and he and his young that young side

666
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 4: of him was really fun for me. But I later

667
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 4: learned that he's basically an eighty eight old man in

668
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 4: a forty four year old body, which actually works for

669
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 4: me because, like I said, I'm a homebody.

670
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: I love to just be with my family and he

671
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: does too.

672
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 4: But it was it is something and we just actually

673
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 4: talked about it recently the other day that that gap,

674
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 4: that age gap is never going to go away. We

675
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 4: might feel like we're the same age because we're you know,

676
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 4: always together and doing the same things, but developmentally, I

677
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 4: am nine years ahead of him, and we all know women,

678
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 4: well most women, some women kind of evolve quicker than men.

679
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 4: So it's about like looking at where each of us

680
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 4: are and respecting that and trying, for me, trying to

681
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 4: not have any expectations of him being where I am

682
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 4: all the time and letting him be where he is,

683
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 4: which is almost a decade difference, you know, and that's

684
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 4: there's so much growth that happens, especially well in every

685
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 4: decade of your life. But I found so much for

686
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 4: me personally in my forties into my fifties. A lot

687
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 4: of people feel it in their thirties. But I always

688
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 4: say I'm kind of ten years behind because I was

689
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 4: on nine or two and zero for ten years and

690
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 4: that was such a bubble experience of not developing normally.

691
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 3: So I've always said I'm like ten years behind.

692
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 4: But yeah, that the age difference, well, it doesn't feel

693
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 4: like it day to day.

694
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 3: You have to do you have to kind of step

695
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: back and look big picture and recognize.

696
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: Right, you know, I go, it doesn't feel like that

697
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: big of an age difference to me, maybe because I

698
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: know it's ten years and ten years my husband and

699
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: I are almost seven years apart. He's older, but maybe

700
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: because he is the man that he just still is younger.

701
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 4: No, it's definitely a different dynamic when the man is

702
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 4: older than the woman.

703
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 3: Woman is older.

704
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 4: Than the man in the relationship and she's successful and

705
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 4: completely independent.

706
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: There are so many different things that come into play.

707
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: How did you meet Dave?

708
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 2: How did you meet him?

709
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 4: We met a blind double date, like a setup with

710
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 4: a double another couple, and that's when.

711
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: I yeah, I never heard of that. That's clever, that

712
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: it was a setup.

713
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: Did you so you had a difficult divorce from Peter Practice, I.

714
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 4: Would say in behind closed doors it was extremely difficult.

715
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: Yes, was that? Did you think that you would find

716
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: love again?

717
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 3: No?

718
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 4: No, I didn't want to find love again. I was

719
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 4: so really Now, after I got over the trauma and

720
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 4: the pain and like gluing myself somehow back together into

721
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 4: this new form of a human, I was like, yeah,

722
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 4: I'm good.

723
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: I don't want to date, I don't want to do anything.

724
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 3: And then people started to like, you should go on

725
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 3: this go to dinner with this guy.

726
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 4: I know, Okay, I'll try it, I'll practice. And as

727
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,479
Speaker 4: I started to do that, I start to really get

728
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 4: very clear on what I didn't want moving forward. So

729
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 4: it was easy for me to make a list of

730
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 4: like my non negotiables, the things that I was looking

731
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 4: for in a partner, and the things that really just

732
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 4: wouldn't work for me moving forward in my life. And

733
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 4: I was able to really define those and I had

734
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 4: to give and take on some of them for sure,

735
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 4: and also just allow for Dave to.

736
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 3: Have growth in his life, you know.

737
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a completely different person than he was

738
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 4: when I met him.

739
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: He's a different person than he was yesterday.

740
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 4: Like I really believe in allowing yourself to evolve on

741
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 4: a daily basis.

742
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have a podcast dedicated to remarriage divorce. I

743
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: do Part two. Yes, it's another iHeart podcast, one of

744
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: three that you host currently.

745
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have OG which is the Rewatch Have I

746
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 4: Choose Me, which is my solo project in kind of

747
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 4: in the health and wellness space, And I have I

748
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 4: Do Part two, which is Yeah, finding Love the second time.

749
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 2: Actually I've been doing I've been hosting some of them myself. Yeah,

750
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: I'm married. Yeah, I'm married twenty five years. But my

751
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: husband and I were separated for a year and a

752
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: half and it was you know, it's it's a very

753
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: different thing than what I picture that it would be

754
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: coming back together. I mean, everybody has that story. I

755
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: guess on some level. Everybody changes and relationships evolve and

756
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: they change, and there's always a part two. I feel

757
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 2: like sometimes it's you know, it's divorce, or it's separation,

758
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 2: or unfortunately sometimes people are widowed. But it's very interesting.

759
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: I feel like this second time around, and even though

760
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: I've been married, I've definitely there are different dynamics in

761
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: my marriage than I ever thought that there would be.

762
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: But I think it's such a fascinating topic, right.

763
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: It really is. The relationships are not easy.

764
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 4: It's not I don't know if it's natural for you

765
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: to meet somebody a complete stranger and then be with

766
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 4: them twenty four hours a day, every single day, for

767
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 4: the rest of your life, Like that's a big commitment.

768
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: Amen.

769
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think it's just about allowing each person

770
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 4: to have their individuality and then really cherishing that middle

771
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 4: space that you both share and that you both put

772
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 4: energy into that's your relationship, but really maintaining those that

773
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 4: you are your own unique, you know, whole and complete

774
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 4: humans without one of them.

775
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: I love that. And Peter came on the podcast.

776
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, and yeah, Peter was on the podcast. He

777
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: was on I Choose Me?

778
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: And how was that for you guys? Was that healing

779
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: at all?

780
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 3: Or it was?

781
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 4: I was very uneasy going in. I didn't know what

782
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 4: was going to happen. I didn't really even have anything prepared.

783
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: I just wanted to sit down on a couch with them.

784
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 4: We had never sat and down and talked. It was

785
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 4: always texting. Wow, it was always emailing and just like

786
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 4: budding heads constantly for.

787
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: I cannot believe he agreed to that. This is some

788
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: brain I know to.

789
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: Do it publicly. It was so scary and brave.

790
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 3: I know. Well.

791
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 4: I really went to him and I said, A, nothing

792
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 4: will go out that you don't want to go out,

793
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 4: and b why don't we use our story to help

794
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 4: other people see that they can do it, they can

795
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 4: get through this because it was very difficult for us,

796
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 4: and I think through sharing our story it made us closer.

797
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: It kind of closed that loop of.

798
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 4: Anger and pain and resentment and It sort of put

799
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 4: us on a level of we have a friendship now

800
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 4: and a newfound respect for one another because I had

801
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 4: never heard him say the things that he told me

802
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 4: on that podcast really and it was really interesting.

803
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 3: I didn't do much talking. I just literally let him talk,

804
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: and so much poured out of him.

805
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 4: It was really, I think, good for him, it was

806
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 4: good for me, and it was definitely good for our daughters.

807
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: Oh so that's great. You feel like your co parenting

808
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: relationship changed after that?

809
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.

810
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: Wow, amazing And how is everything today?

811
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 3: Everything today is, you know, much better.

812
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 4: We stayed at his house during the fires, like I

813
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 4: feel comfortable, like saying, you know, we need a home

814
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 4: to stay in, can we come to yours? And he

815
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 4: was yes, of course, And we spend time together. We

816
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 4: can go to dinner together. We can hang out.

817
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: Now you go to dinner together?

818
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

819
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: Wait? Is he remarried?

820
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 3: He is engaged and he has a two year old baby.

821
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: Wow, that's huge. That's not easy to get there.

822
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 4: It really isn't. But there was so much Like I

823
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 4: was starting to feel like I was holding on to

824
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 4: the anger and the pain, and I started to recognize

825
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 4: a bitterness in myself and it's just an overall negative.

826
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 3: Feeling like a cloud. And I was said to myself.

827
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 4: I do not want this moving forward. This is not

828
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 4: the me I want to be, and I really how

829
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 4: to just release it, work really hard to release it,

830
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 4: because at the end of the day, you guys, it

831
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 4: does not matter.

832
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: Nothing matters.

833
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 4: All the arguments, all the disagreements, all the issues, they

834
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 4: don't matter. What matters is how you make people feel

835
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 4: in the moment, and how your kids need to feel

836
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 4: moving forward in their life and see their parents' relationship.

837
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 4: I think it's just evolution and getting to a place

838
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 4: where you prioritize the things.

839
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: That are really important to you.

840
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 4: And for me, peace and kindness are just like at

841
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 4: the forefront of what I want to focus on.

842
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: I love that. I feel like I need you to

843
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: be in my Life's amazing. Everything that you're saying makes

844
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: so much sense to me. I mean in this moment

845
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: where I just am all most fifty and just don't

846
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: really know where I want my life to go. Do

847
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: your daughters want to be actresses? Are the actresses?

848
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 4: No? One of My oldest daughter tried it, dappled in it,

849
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 4: both commercials.

850
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 3: I did a movie with her.

851
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 4: I think that the level of rejection was hard for

852
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 4: her and it didn't make her feel good like in

853
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 4: her heart.

854
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 3: So she pivoted.

855
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 4: And my middle daughter is into fashion and she's actually

856
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 4: my creative design director on the brand.

857
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, we work together every day.

858
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 4: And my youngest daughter, the one that's about to graduate

859
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 4: from high school, she is interested in psychology and she

860
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 4: is a huge inspiration. I'm really excited about what's about

861
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 4: to happen for her. She's going to create her own

862
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 4: platform and her own podcast that's going to really reach

863
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 4: young girls who have been in similar situations as she

864
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 4: has and just talk about that struggle and how hard

865
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 4: it is to be a young girl in this day

866
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 4: and age.

867
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: I love that. I absolutely love that.

868
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: And it's a testament that your daughters want to work

869
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: with you, you know, I want to do a film

870
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: with you and want to work on you know, on

871
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: your fashion label with you.

872
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: Oh.

873
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 4: My really best friends. It's weird, we're best friends. I've

874
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 4: always been like, hey, guys, I am codependent.

875
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 3: So deal with it.

876
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: And the same yeah, like, welcome to the rest of

877
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: your life.

878
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 3: If you're working with it. I'm okay with it.

879
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 4: But I've sort of SOT in this new place of like,

880
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 4: how about we try interdependence where we're you know, again.

881
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: We're branding but on our ice.

882
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: But we still need and love each other, you know,

883
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: and we're all flying with that.

884
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: Jenny, tell us about the fashion line, I tell us

885
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: exactly what I mean. You know, You've talked a lot

886
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: about what the goals, but what is specifically what is

887
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 2: this fashion?

888
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 4: Yes, it's exclusive to TVC first and foremost, so I

889
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 4: have the wonderful design team there that I work with

890
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 4: pretty much on a daily basis, and we are designing.

891
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 4: I would call this ready to wear day like easy

892
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 4: to throw on looks that you can just go about

893
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 4: your business in your day, uh and feel strong and

894
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 4: confident and put together and beautiful and comfortable. I mean

895
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 4: that's the like driving force for me is comfort, and

896
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 4: I'm really pushing towards trying to get more sustainability in there.

897
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 3: It's a challenge, but I'm not afraid of a challenge,

898
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 3: so I'm going to keep pushing that. But I love

899
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: our clothes. I wear them every single day.

900
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: Like that sweater. I love the sweater you wear sweater.

901
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 3: The shirt and the pants you got.

902
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: I know, I love it.

903
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 3: They're all Jenny, They're all by Jenny Garth.

904
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, because they're I'm like scrunched up in my outfit and.

905
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 3: I feel so comfortable.

906
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, I have so many plans for tonight. Chop

907
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: on QBC, make my vision board. Oh my god, I

908
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: want it.

909
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 3: That sounds fun. Can I come hang out?

910
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: We'll do it together, please please. My kids are all

911
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: going out, so I'll just be driving. So what what

912
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: TV projects? Movie projects? Can we look forward to seeing

913
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: you in?

914
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 3: Nothing right now? Which I am telling you that, I mean,

915
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 3: I even just you know, I really was specific.

916
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 4: I was.

917
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: I just turned down and offer a couple of days ago.

918
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 4: Scary, the very scary, scariest hell second, guessing myself for

919
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 4: days afterwards, thinking oh, should I have done it? The

920
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 4: money would have been great and it's always good to

921
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 4: do another movie like it keeps you going, And I thought, no,

922
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 4: that's not what I want to spend my time waiting

923
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 4: in a trailer for people to tell me that they're ready.

924
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 3: It set for me like, I want to be out there.

925
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 4: I want to be connecting, I want to be creating,

926
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 4: and I want to be inspiring.

927
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 3: You know, So I do you want to spit into

928
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 3: my category.

929
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: Right now, that's scary and it's so admirable. That's so cool.

930
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: Like you've been saying yes for so long, right and

931
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: to really become a grown up and say it's so scary.

932
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: But this does not serve me anymore. Yeah, right on

933
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: my own. Yeah, not right now, not in this moment.

934
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: Good for you.

935
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: I really feel like I'm going to take so many

936
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: things from this conversation, like it caught me at the

937
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: right moment in my life. I loved it and I'm

938
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: really excited to have met you. In my head, you

939
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: will always be Kelly Taylor, but you're also a really

940
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: remarkable woman who's accomplished so much. So so thank you

941
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: for joining us today. So nice of you.

942
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 3: All this compliments, Thank you.

943
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: No, it's real, sir. It Yeah, So we'll we'll look

944
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: forward to checking out your your projects and I'm going

945
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: to make a vision board and if any of it

946
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: comes comes through, I'm going to DM you and like

947
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 1: you know, change that when it comes through, when it comes,

948
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: when it comes through.

949
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 4: Yes, it really matters how we talk to ourselves.

950
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: As that's true. What's the name of the sweater?

951
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: Just just.

952
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 3: This is if you go to GBC dot com.

953
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 4: You can type in me by Jenny Garth in the

954
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 4: search bar, and it's called the Frankie Turtleneck and it's

955
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 4: got a cute little hen.

956
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: It's going to be at the top of GENS vision

957
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: board by the Frankie.

958
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not going to have time to put

959
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: it on the board because I'm gonna have to get

960
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: off the pod QBC dot com. It just looks, it's

961
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: just so, it's pretty uncomfortable looking, and that's exactly how

962
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 2: I like to dress good.

963
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 3: I hope I love it.

964
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you so much for joining us today.

965
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: You're so welcome. I loved it.

966
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: We appreciate you.

967
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 3: Okay, have a good one.

968
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: Bye. She was amazing. I feel like that caught me

969
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: right at a moment.

970
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: You know, Billie, why what's going on with you?

971
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: Just because I'm trying to figure out what else to do.

972
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: I mean, the show is on pause right who knows

973
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,959
Speaker 1: if it's coming back? And I wake up a lot

974
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: and think, well, if it doesn't come back, what am

975
00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: I going to do when I'm done waiting?

976
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: You know?

977
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: And like, what am I gonna do?

978
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: Even even though you were writing a second book, we

979
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: have not even discussed it.

980
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just it just started. Yeah started.

981
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: It wasn't news to me. How exciting is that?

982
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: No, I haven't. I don't really, I haven't really spoken

983
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: about it yet because it's so so brand new. But yeah,

984
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: it's really exciting. But also, like you get that imposter

985
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: syndrome where you're like, can I do this? You know

986
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: it's not it's not memoir, it's it's a novel. So

987
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: it's almost like it's so new for me, and like

988
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: I have all these ideas and it's really fun, but

989
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: then I get these moments where I'm like, there's so

990
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: much better novelists out there, and then like I read

991
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: I read stuff about like I'm deep diving on White

992
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: lotus right now. So I was reading like the New

993
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: York Times magazine did this thing, I'm Parker Posy and

994
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: they were talking about like Mike White and his head

995
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: and like what all these relationships mean. And I was like, God,

996
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: like my characters aren't that in depth yet, you know,

997
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: maybe I should stop. And then I'm like, no, like

998
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: we don't all have to be Mike White, Like it

999
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be like an Emmy winning thing. Right

1000
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: at the beginning, right.

1001
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: Like we should do if we should do an episode

1002
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: just on this, because I find that so many things

1003
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: in my life I've given up on because I thought

1004
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: it's not going to be as good as it's not

1005
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: going to be as big, as it's not going to

1006
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 2: be enough. And like ideas that I had. I had

1007
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 2: this one idea going back years and years of doing

1008
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 2: a clothing line called Monday Mornings, and I wanted it

1009
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: be spelled m O U r n I ngs. It

1010
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: was kind of kitchy because like on Mondays, you're kind

1011
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: of in mourning about all the self destructive shit you

1012
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: did to yourself over the weekend, right, And I was

1013
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: going to have it be you see it a lot

1014
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 2: now like jeans slash sweatpants, right, I feel like sweatpants,

1015
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: but their genes. I wanted to do something where like

1016
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: the size was instead of saying size six, it would

1017
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 2: say usually a six or or a six during the week,

1018
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: and then make the clothes that were just easy to

1019
00:49:53,760 --> 00:50:00,280
Speaker 2: slip into and comfortable and made you not feel so restricted. Anyway,

1020
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: I had this idea, and imposter syndrome got the best

1021
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 2: of me, and it just never got even off the

1022
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: ground because somebody else was going to have it, or

1023
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 2: somebody else is going to do it, or somebody was

1024
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 2: better at it, somebody else's hard.

1025
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: Follow through is hard. It also it takes a lot

1026
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: of work. I am somebody who loves immediate gratification, and

1027
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: the fact that writing a book takes so long is

1028
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: something that also turns me off. But it's a lot

1029
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: of fun. It's definitely off the ground, but it is

1030
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: still new. So once it's once i'm sure of it,

1031
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: I'll talk more about it. But in the meantime, i'm

1032
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: just My point is that, like, it's really easy to

1033
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: get stuck in this I don't know what I want thing,

1034
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: But I think that vision board idea is very appealing

1035
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: because then you can visualize what you want, right, you

1036
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: can spell it out.

1037
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, seems more manageable, maybe when you look

1038
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 2: at it in like little pieces, right Yeah.

1039
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I also need to remind myself of the

1040
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: part where part of what I should want for my

1041
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: life is peace and to filled my life with loving relationships,

1042
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: true friendships, you know, So I have to work that in.

1043
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: It's not all about like what's going to make me

1044
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: money and give me visibility and stuff.

1045
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: Like that.

1046
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: So I also have a hard time, you know, remembering

1047
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: my priorities. What my priority is.

1048
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: Very honest, and I can definitely relate to that. That's

1049
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: like work on that a lot in therapy, like without

1050
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: any of the hoopla or like whatever comes along with

1051
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: this little tiny bit of game. And I've been again,

1052
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 2: you've been doing this way longer than I haven't a

1053
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 2: way bigger capacity. But like all of that is really

1054
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 2: not what matters is knowing that I'm enough, Like just

1055
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 2: as Jenny was saying, it sounds cheesy, but like I'm

1056
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 2: good without any of that, without any of the extra, right,

1057
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: Like I'm enough, I'm special enough. We all are getting

1058
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: kind of crunchy now, but I mean, I know.

1059
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 1: It's true, And working on myself the past few years,

1060
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: I've definitely I'm definitely getting much closer to that place

1061
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: where I know, no matter what my job title is

1062
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: or what I accomplish work wise, I am enough and

1063
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: I'm loved and you know all that gooey stuff. But

1064
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's hard to job job wise. If

1065
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: you're a worker, it's it's hard. Anyway, I loved this

1066
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: and I loved her, and I'm definitely going to put

1067
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 1: in play some of the things she suggested. She really

1068
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: is an inspiring.

1069
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 2: Woman, Yes she is. By the way, does age she's

1070
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 2: dis gorgeous?

1071
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: No, I know she's beautiful too. Wow. All right, this

1072
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: was really fun and h and until next time, guys,

1073
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: we hope you love this episode. Give us five stars

1074
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: and we will see you next time.

1075
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 2: Thanks you guys.