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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth. I'm Lazar Lazar. Well, everybody nailed it.

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Speaker 1: Joined us always buy our David match. Here is Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bark. That's the first time I heard

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Speaker 1: that back since I went off last week about that,

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Speaker 1: and I'm okay with it. The internet loved that. I

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Speaker 1: That's okay. I was okay with it. I was okay

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Speaker 1: with it. It was all right, It's fine. I got

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Speaker 1: a little fired up. What happens. It's fine. I I

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Speaker 1: got a mac rant coming here today. So here we go.

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Speaker 1: We balance it out, all right. I gotta I gotta

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Speaker 1: random my own as well as we normally do on

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Speaker 1: this show. Evan Lazar, Alex Barth, Patriots Catch twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Uh Marine, Matt, you got a compliment on the opening

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Speaker 1: on from a Twitter follower yesterday. I try to tag you.

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Speaker 1: Did you deactivate your Twitter? No? I'm there, Okay. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe I just was typing in some wrong things.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about it. We'll talk. But yeah, we got

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Speaker 1: to compliment Alex on the on the intro said that

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Speaker 1: we didn't well, yeah, I mean I obviously gave Matt

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Speaker 1: credit for pulling it together, and uh, he said that

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Speaker 1: it was. He replays it. He likes it so much

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Speaker 1: that he rewinds and replays it before he starts the pot,

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Speaker 1: which I thought it was great. So, uh, kudo's hats

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Speaker 1: off there to to marine Matt. We got. We got

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Speaker 1: a good show here today. We're gonna be on for

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Speaker 1: a little bit longer than usual, which is good as well.

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Speaker 1: No no availability unfortunately, right, no no press conferences to

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Speaker 1: on with you guys here for a little bit longer

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Speaker 1: until Unfiltered starts at noon, a full day here on

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Speaker 1: Patriots Radio. We got Unfiltered. We got us obviously the

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Speaker 1: main event right now for from ten thirty two about noon,

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Speaker 1: and then we got Unfiltered from noon to two, and

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Speaker 1: then John Rook in the playbook after that, So a

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Speaker 1: full slate of radio and here on this show, we're

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Speaker 1: going to do some Studzen duds from the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two season. We talked about this last night, Alex, and

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Speaker 1: I think you're right, and I sided with you for

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Speaker 1: once and I don't know how much people really want

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Speaker 1: us to break down the Bills game. I think we're

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Speaker 1: more interested at this point in what's next, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: let's get into the off season. Let's talk about the

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Speaker 1: off season plan and all that kind of stuff. So

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Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna do that for the majority of

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Speaker 1: the show, but I and we can intertwine points from

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Speaker 1: the Bills game into that, Like I had some of

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Speaker 1: my takes, like we can use. I thought the Bills

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Speaker 1: game was a perfect encapsulation of what the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two Patriots were, so as we talk about how they

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Speaker 1: move forward, we can kind of refer back to that

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Speaker 1: game as for examples. That's kind of how I view it, right,

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna do some studzen duds of the season

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Speaker 1: whole season, not just that game. We're gonna do tional needs.

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Speaker 1: We're going to do our rankings of the Patriots potential

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinators, which I think is really what everybody's clamoring

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Speaker 1: the studs and duds, because I was going to start

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Speaker 1: with that, but I mean, we can, We're sure we

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Speaker 1: were looking at I was looking at some of this

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Speaker 1: stuff up this morning because I think both of us

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Speaker 1: And what I looked up today this morning, and I

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Speaker 1: wrote about this in my review of MAC, and then

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Speaker 1: because now I have it, I've captured it. So there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of issues that the Patriots offense had in

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Speaker 1: almost a perfect statistical comparison. I love it when it

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Speaker 1: works out that way. So the New England Patriots this year,

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Speaker 1: with Mac Jones at quarterback, used to play action on

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Speaker 1: So not in just to clarify, so not like the

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Speaker 1: a guy literally moving as the ball is right. That's

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Speaker 1: a shift. Right right shift is when we're gonna move

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Speaker 1: this guy from here to there. We're gonna change up

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Speaker 1: the you know, the formation on the defense. See how

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Speaker 1: they react to it. Snapped the ball right. That's different. Correct,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for clarifying that. The third thing was what

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Speaker 1: center versus shotgun splits right right. This team, offensively, no

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Speaker 1: numbers are inflated because under center you use play action right,

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Speaker 1: what this team is saying under center play action is that, Yeah, basically,

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Speaker 1: what this team was from a schematic standpoint, what they

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Speaker 1: one percent of the time Mac Jones sixteen point seven.

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Speaker 1: The Patriots were twenty ninth under center rate Mac Jones

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Speaker 1: In the first half, they drove the football with under center,

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Speaker 1: All these just basic concepts of asking that high school

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Speaker 1: the current version of this. I also remember Belichick talking

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Speaker 1: it's an indictment on the quarterback. Right sucks the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I just think when you're getting it to third nineteen,

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Speaker 1: that there's another conversation there about the people he's throwing

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Speaker 1: like guys lined up across from you beat him right

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Speaker 1: because there's no play action, there's no motion, there's no

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Speaker 1: And they just didn't have that. And I think when

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Speaker 1: Turnovers happen, slopping this happens. Like that's are just trying

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Speaker 1: go first and we'll just go back and fourth here. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Number one on my list is Bill O'Brien. Okay, number

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Speaker 1: one on my list is Bill O'Brian. And I think

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Speaker 1: the main reason why that I like Bill O'Brien so

429
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: much for them is continuity for mac Jones, because if

430
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Speaker 1: you hire somebody like I don't want to give my

431
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: names away. I've done the last rest. If you hire

432
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 1: somebody else on my on this list, you are changing

433
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: the system again on mac Jones. That's the third system

434
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: he'll play in in his first three seasons, and really

435
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: kind of the fourth because they sort of had two

436
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: systems this year and that's just a horrible That's horrible

437
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: for a young quarterback. That's how you ruin a young quarterback.

438
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: So I think the best thing with the O'Brien hire

439
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: is that basically you're going to get a hybrid of

440
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: the Patriots offense under Josh McDaniels and Max offense at Alabama.

441
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: You're gonna alabamafy the Patriots offensive. Yes, right, I mean,

442
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: how could that's such an easy transition for the QB.

443
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: It's somebody that I think he'll trust and respect in

444
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: terms of his acumen as an offensive coach. I think

445
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: was a problem this year quite frankly, and it's somebody

446
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: that I think that they can really grow with in

447
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: terms of play calling and stuff like that. The other

448
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: thing I'll say with Bill O'Brien, I don't give a

449
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: crap about what he did at Alabama this year. I

450
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: don't care. So I don't care. I know you don't care,

451
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: not even an ounce of me. The one thing I

452
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: don't care. The production was low. I think they had

453
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: some recruits. They had a lot of freshmen and first

454
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: year starters that were clearly growing. That's outside of his control.

455
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: The one thing that worries me a little bit. And look,

456
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: I also have O'Brien a top my list, but the

457
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 1: one thing that worries me a little bit in terms

458
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: of what he did Alabama, I have one other concern

459
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: with him. I'll get into. They had a lot of

460
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: penalties on offense. It's a different game. I know it's

461
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: in college football. I'm not necessarily saying it's going to

462
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: carry over, but I totally different game. There were times,

463
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: there were times this year I would watch Alabama on

464
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: Saturday and watch the Patriots on Sunday. It was like

465
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: the Spider Man mement times. In terms of a team

466
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: that's historically very disciplined, just not so. I just think

467
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: it's a totally different animal. And this is it's sort

468
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: of like when people and I'm gonna call him out

469
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell him to his face in an hour. Okay.

470
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: Paul Pirillo said he doesn't watch Cliff Kingsbury here either,

471
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Speaker 1: because he was sub five hundred coach at Texas Tech

472
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes right the record, Yeah, we're not asking

473
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: him to be the head coach, right, You're not asking

474
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: him to be that people. People. It's the same thing

475
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: with O'Brien. He's not coordinating a college offense here. He's

476
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: coordinating a professional offense with professional players. So I don't

477
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: really care about what he did at Alabama, and I

478
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: think that there's a baseline that he gets you back

479
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: to that might not be as high as the ceiling

480
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: as the number two guy on my list, but is

481
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: probably the step that this team needs, right. I think

482
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: right now they need somebody to come in to just

483
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: fix the mess that was twenty twenty two and then

484
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: we can worry about being super creative and super innovative

485
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: and stuff like that once we get back to square one.

486
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: With Mac Jones, I think He's also somebody that maybe

487
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: hangs around for a little bit. You know, he's from here.

488
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: There's reports that he kind of wants to be back

489
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: up by family. You don't have to worry about another

490
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: OC for Mac in twenty twenty four. My big concern

491
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: with O'Brien though, is I am somebody who is very

492
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,719
Speaker 1: into the idea of going out and getting DeAndre Hopkins.

493
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: We talked, right if they just want to line up

494
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: and be better than the team across on them, which

495
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: maybe will happen less with O'Brien, but they still need

496
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: that guy. Adding another rotational receiver. They've added a bunch

497
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: of really good rotational receivers the last couple of years,

498
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne, DeVante Parker. Like I think those two guys

499
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: have a place in this offense. I do. I think

500
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: those two guys can be contributors for this team winning

501
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: football games. But you need a bump everybody down a spot. Basically, right,

502
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: you have Parker getting number one covered, you want him

503
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: getting number two covered. You if Borne getting number two,

504
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: you want him get number three. You need that guy

505
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: that weekend and week out is going to from the

506
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: beginning of the season command the other team's number one

507
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: corner command, help over the top, things like that, I

508
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 1: don't think that guy exists in the draft this year,

509
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: at least not for them. It's Hopkins. Hopkins is the

510
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: answer to that question. And I don't know, you know,

511
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: I went back to disagree with you, But I think

512
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: the pushback I'll give you, yeah, is that I don't

513
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: think you hire an offensive coordinator based off of a

514
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: what if with a thirty year old wide receiver. So like,

515
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: if Hopkins was twenty six there and it was it

516
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: was in the bag that they were going to get up, Yeah,

517
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: then I think that that's different. But you are saying

518
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: that we're not going to hire the right guy for

519
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: the job just because we might get this other guy

520
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: who's also mind you. I wouldn't. I wouldn't not do

521
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: it on the off chance you could get Hopkins. But

522
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: maybe they know something right. You know, a lot of

523
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: the odds have Hopkins, and Vegas always knows a lot

524
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: of the odds of Hopkins. Is is the Patriots is

525
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, one of the three favorites to land him, right.

526
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: I The first thing O'Brien's gonna have to do when

527
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: he gets here is figure out how to because they

528
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: need that guy, whether it's O'Brien or not. And look,

529
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: this is the ques. I've posed this question you how

530
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: many times O'Brien and receiver X, whether that's Jerry Judy

531
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: or whoever, or Hopkins and offensive coordinator X. Okay, whoever

532
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: gets well? So, But just here's my point. O'Brien or

533
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: like O'Brien's not gonna come in and suddenly all the

534
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: wide receiver are much better. You still need to get

535
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: that guy. One way or the other. I think you

536
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: need to get that guy to be to be a

537
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: true truly be putting yourself in the best position. But

538
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: I think O'Brien comes back into your the offense that

539
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: you were last year. But well last year, I mean,

540
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: but you want to see growth, right, you want to

541
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one is still last year until the playoffs

542
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: are over. I was thinking about that the other day.

543
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: I just we talked about fixing the flaws and making

544
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: things easier for mac Jones. Right, right, you need that

545
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: guy that other teams are going to dictate coverage to.

546
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's impossible to get that guy. If

547
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: you hire obrun. I think it's easier to find another

548
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and get that guy in Hopkins than it

549
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: is too What if what if Bill puts Bill and

550
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins on a phone so that Prince call and says, guys,

551
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: we can do something special here if we just don't

552
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: let our That's the perfect dwelve book. That's and I

553
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: did some more digging yesterday, and I don't know what

554
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: you make this. Hopkins gave a quote to ESPN after

555
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: he got traded, when you was asked about the relationship

556
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: amid all these reports, and he said, it's all overblown,

557
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: there was no relationship. I don't know what that like

558
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: to me. That just kind of means I'm over it.

559
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: So maybe there is room. And he did say he

560
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: respect because it's not like it's not like he played

561
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: poorly in that offense, right, it's not like he was

562
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: misused or so miscast or yes, And I was gonna

563
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: get to that. In a perfect world, you get the

564
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: two of them to bury the hatchet. Maybe time heals

565
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: all wounds and whatever, but okay, we gotta go here,

566
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: all right, give me your number two, Yeah, give me

567
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: your number two guy on your list. I think, yeah,

568
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: probably Cliff, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think Cliff. For me,

569
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: Cliff is the most fun all right, yeah, the most

570
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: fun um the boomer bus candidate. I have questions, not concerns.

571
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: I just have questions, and hopefully if Cliff is the

572
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: higher I'll get to actually ask him. Yeah, how do

573
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: you modify your offense to be under center more often? Right?

574
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: Because he's always had my holmes Kyler, Like, he's always

575
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: had athletic quarterbacks, so he's never really had to coordinate

576
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: an offense at the bones of it with a guy

577
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: that doesn't run at quarterback, So how do you modify

578
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: that to fit? Now? With that being said, schematically the

579
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: most fun by far, I mean, this is a guy

580
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: that uses motion, uses different splits to us his spread

581
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: formations gets three strong, four strong, Like, this is a

582
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: guy that does all of like the fun stuff that

583
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: I will love to break down on film next year

584
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: if he's the offensive coordinator, and you're gonna see a

585
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: lot of really creative things. And I don't think his

586
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: running game doesn't translate just because of the running quarterback element,

587
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: because they run a lot of power gap stuff, like

588
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: they run a lot of downhill Anyways, it just has

589
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: to be modified obviously for not having a running quarterbacks.

590
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: So I love the idea of Cliff. I think that

591
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: out of all the ideas that I've had, you've had,

592
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: we've come up with, he has the highest ceiling to

593
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: me because of anybody that can realisten, right, because I

594
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: think that you can hit a really you can have

595
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: an offense that really has a lot of firepower with

596
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: him as the coordinator, as long as you obviously go

597
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: out and get that guy that anybody's gonna need, like

598
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned with O'Brien, but in terms of aesthetic and

599
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: just like oh wow, that was awesome, Like they would

600
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: have a lot of oh wow, that's awesome type of

601
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: moments with Cliff Kingsbury. Yeah, I don't think he's a

602
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: very good head coach. He knows offense though, Yeah, And

603
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys I say this all the time, right,

604
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: who are great coordinators. And that's that's it. That's the

605
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: end of the sentence. So I the first thing that's

606
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: going to come up is his record after Thanksgiving going

607
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: back to Texas Tech. It is atrocious, right, especially when

608
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: you compare to he gets off some really good starts

609
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: like O'Brien as college. I don't care about head coaching

610
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: records for my offensive coordinator. I'm not asking him to

611
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: be the head coach. The question becomes, is it but

612
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: but so much his He's never won with defense, right, right,

613
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: you know Texas Tech. So it becomes does his offense

614
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: just kind of tank out late in the year or

615
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: was it just the defense? Right? But but the potential

616
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: is so high, the potential so high, that's what's fun.

617
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: The other interesting thing that offense doesn't use a ton

618
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: of tight ends, right, correct me if I'm wrong. But

619
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: if they did more this year, they did more. But

620
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: the point being they're not. You know, Hunter Henry and

621
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: Johnny Smith, their contracts almost up to those are guys

622
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: who have struggled. You can kind of just close the

623
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: book on that one. I think. Actually so, I think

624
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry would have a role in the middle of

625
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: the field in his offense like Earth's did this year.

626
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: And I actually think if anybody's going to tap into

627
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: some of the things that Johnny Smith does, well, it's

628
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: probably Cliff Interesting because he's gonna move him around, he's

629
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: gonna use him in motion. You think he made me

630
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: turn him into like a slot receiver. No, I think

631
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: you'd turn him into like an h back. Okay, I

632
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: think he'd be very I think he would be like

633
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: a very use Checky in a Cliff kings very off

634
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: And I like that idea that I'm just sitting here

635
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: saying that he's gonna turn Johnny wentto a thousand yard receiver.

636
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 1: But the fact that Johnny was going to most likely

637
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: be on your roster, I don't think that he's a

638
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: total nothing in Cliff Kingsbury's offense. His offense, the air

639
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: raid at its roots, is a three or four wide offense, right,

640
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: they're eleven and ten personnel offense. But he used a

641
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: little bit more tight ends once he got to the

642
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: pros because I would call his his NFL offense in

643
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: Arizona modified air raid right, because it's not They were

644
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: not a true or can't you can't run true in

645
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: the NFL. You just can't. So but but they a

646
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: lot of their core concepts, you know, stick mesh four

647
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: verts obviously, um why cross Like a lot of their

648
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: core concepts were air raid concepts. The other thing that

649
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: I really like about Cliff is that they're probably going

650
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: to be a predominantly gun team with Cliff, Like, they're

651
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: not gonna put Mac under center thirty percent of the time.

652
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: With Cliff Kingsbury, it's not gonna happen. But they would

653
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: have a real RPOP package final, oh yeah, which would

654
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: be fun and not only just fun. But I think

655
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: that that was I mean, I was being in the

656
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: table for it all year long. It felt like a

657
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: broken record on that point. But I think the biggest

658
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: thing with the RPO package was that their RPO package

659
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: stunk so badly with with Matt Patricia's it wasn't effective.

660
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: And look, the Alabama's RPO package during the Mac Jones

661
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: ra is one of the greatest ever, right, So that's

662
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: likes that potentially too. Yeah. I think if O'Brien came back, though,

663
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: they would be more under center. I do. Yeah, some

664
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: of those Alabam RPO I think if Cliff Kingsbury came here,

665
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: it would be spread out Alabama. Right. You're not hiring

666
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury to keep the status quo, right, So I

667
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: love Cliff. I think that's a great ceiling. It is

668
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: the third system in three years type of thing and

669
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, But I think that he

670
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: would have a great ceiling. Who's number three on your lists.

671
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: All right, so maybe this is where we where we

672
00:35:53,960 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: veer off. Yeah, Michael Flour, I just think we're off

673
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: big time on that one. I think it's kind of

674
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: a different it's kind of a different one. I assume

675
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: you of Zach Robinson third, so I just kind of

676
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: wanted to be different. Honestly, call it a tie between

677
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: him and Zach Robinson for a third. The interesting things

678
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: about Mike Lafleur to me, one, it kind of like

679
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: we were talking about with the cliff. Let's say they

680
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: do want to change it up. Maybe they do, And

681
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: they were trying to run that Shanahan stuff back in

682
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: camp and they got away from it, hate it. Well,

683
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: they didn't have anybody in the building who'd ever run it.

684
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: They were trying to reverse engineer at Lafleur's deeply experienced

685
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: in that system. The other thing, and I'd like to

686
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: get a coach whose quarterback focused. But we've also talked

687
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: about their issues developing wide receivers. Mike Lafleur is a

688
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: guy who's like legitimately developed some very good wide Receivers's

689
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: work with some very good receivers as a wide receivers coach.

690
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: So you have to have some positive because what you

691
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: do is Zach Wilson was terrible. That might have just

692
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: been Zach Wilson. I mean, he didn't make it any better,

693
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: but look like he had Mike White out there slinging it.

694
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: Joe Flackle led the NFL and passing through the first

695
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: three weeks. Here's my thing with the with the you

696
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: also get like he's familiar in the division. Yeah, here's

697
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: the thing with my with the Shanahan tree. So I

698
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: had Zach Robinson at number three. Who's McVeigh tree, right,

699
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: which I think is that's different, like I which is

700
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: actually probably closer to what they ran this right, And

701
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: I think that people need to understand that that it's

702
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: different and McVay, especially with Matthew Stafford at quarterback, was

703
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: less under center, less play action um and they were

704
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: more of a West Coast spread type of offense, right.

705
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: And I think with Zach Robinson, the biggest reason why

706
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: I like Zach Robinson at number three, and really the

707
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: biggest reason why I like Cliff as well. I love

708
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: the idea of a former quarterback coach here and coaching

709
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Yeah I do too. I mean, you're just

710
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: not going to object to that. You just have that

711
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: mindset right. You understand what the quarterbacks thinking, you understand

712
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: what he's looking at, You understand where what's hard for

713
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: a quarterback to you and what's easy for a quarterback

714
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: to do. And I think that Zach Robinson would get

715
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: his hands on mac Jones and do some good things

716
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: with him just from a training standpoint, like not even

717
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: not even necessarily about x's and o's and all that

718
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, But I just think the mechanics would

719
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: be better. I think the poise would be better, Like

720
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: I think he would have him playing sounder football decision

721
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: making that type of stuff too. And I also liked

722
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: the idea of what McVeigh has kind of adapted to

723
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: recently because he was outside zone. Yeah, he was outside

724
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: zone to to start with, and then Belichick figured him

725
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: out in the Super Bowl and he had to adjust,

726
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: and he's adjust to a lot more gap duo type

727
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: of schemes since then and a lot more spread stuff.

728
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: So it's not it's not true Shanahan anymore in LA

729
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: And I like the idea that the reason why I'm

730
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: so lukewarm on Shanahan the tree and really going full Shanahan,

731
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: what the offense like like a Lafleur would do. Is

732
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: I just don't think you have the personnel for it.

733
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: And I think people hear that and they're like, well,

734
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: change the personnel. So we start over at offensive line, right.

735
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: You got to start there, right, because Mike on when

736
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: who was not playing guard in a Shanahan offense, right,

737
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: it's outside zone. They need athletes like Cold Strange and

738
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: he was, by the way, your best offensive lineman. So

739
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: get rid of Mike on who, get rid of Trent

740
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: brown Um and start basically besides Cold Strange, you have

741
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: to start over on the offensive line, right. I would

742
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: also say that do you do you want Mac Jones bootlegging?

743
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: Like that's what we want mac Jones doing. They've made

744
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: it work with with Jimmy Garoppolo and Rock Party. I

745
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: think that I'm not saying it's ideal, but like it works. No,

746
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: But okay, no, I don't. I don't want mac Jones

747
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: moving all right. I want mac Jones sitting in the pocket,

748
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: and I want mac Jones getting the ball out of

749
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: his hands. I don't want him half booting. I don't

750
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: want him full boot I don't on any of that

751
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: with him. I don't think that he's a good enough

752
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: off platform thrower to be able to do that consistently,

753
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: like when he's thrown on the move when his feet

754
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: aren't said, all that kind of stuff. So I have

755
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: a lot of reservations about the Shanahan offense for those reasons.

756
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: I also would point out, is that really the best

757
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: scheme for Romandre No because that's it could work with

758
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: Pierre Strong, but now you're fourteen hundred scrimmage yard running

759
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: back is basically in a scheme that doesn't fit him either. Well,

760
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: this is what I keep saying when people say they

761
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: want to move on for Mac Jones, and I don't

762
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: think they understand what that means. You're hitting if you choose,

763
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: if the decisions to hit the reset button, Ramondre Stevenson's

764
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: contract is now up before your next contending window. Plus

765
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: on defense, Kyle Dugger, Matthew Jude On, you know, Kendrick Back,

766
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: on offense, Kendrick Bourne, Michael and when all these guys

767
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: like you're basically just passing on this core, you're saying

768
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: this core is not gonna get it done when they

769
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: might there's some good pieces here. So yeah, I'm I'm

770
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: head isn't it with the Shanahan guys. Now, let me

771
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: ask you this, whether it's Zach Robinson or Mike Lafleur,

772
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: some sort of offensive consultant, quarterbacks coach, wide receiver coach

773
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: role for either of those guys, why would Zach take that?

774
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: That's true? So, I think the biggest problem that you

775
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: have with Zach is that if if McVeigh excuse me, retires,

776
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: it sounds like Raheem Morris is just gonna take over

777
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: there as the head coach. So he's gonna be the

778
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. Yeah, in LA he's not. Is he the

779
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator? Now? He's past game and quarterbacks coach? No?

780
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: But but um Liam Cohen went to Kentucky. They haven't

781
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: officially named him promoted him yet, but that might happen.

782
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: It's probably gonna have a one way or the other,

783
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: so he's gonna I would say that essentially the problem

784
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: with getting Zach is that it's a lateral move for him, right,

785
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: because I think that he would be given the keys

786
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles if he stays too Now, I could

787
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: hear it that to a degree that Look, I think

788
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford's cooked and that team's going a full rebuild.

789
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: So they have the top obviously, which is better than

790
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: anything the Patriots have, but other than that, their their

791
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: offensive lines and mess. Their quarterback is cooked. Aaron Donald

792
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: might retire if Sean McVay retires. So you're rebuilding on

793
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: defense to a degree. That team is in a mess

794
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: right now. You know, McVey won a Super Bowl and

795
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: they basically they sold it all they sold, They sold

796
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: the next ten years for one super Bowl, right, and

797
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: everybody thought that was going to be the model without

798
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: thinking about what happens after. And now we're seeing what happens.

799
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: All right, Let's get to some of these calls and

800
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: then I want to do our douzin duds. Uh, Patty,

801
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: what's going on? Thanks? Sorry to keep you on, hope

802
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: so long? Oh, no worries, guys. What's going on? Man?

803
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: Not much, hopefully With the report that Tommy Curran came

804
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: out with this true and I think what we've seen

805
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: over the past twenty years is you're not going to

806
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: get too many of these historic defenses that are going

807
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: to drag offenses along the right with them to win

808
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. I mean, the fifteen Broncos, I need

809
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: to throw the hope for Patriots into it. I mean,

810
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: are those are fleeting. It's not going to happen what

811
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: we've seen with Bill. And that's not to say I

812
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 1: don't think any defensive minded guy can become a head coach,

813
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: but you'd better get a good offensive mind with you.

814
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: And I think that was just the fatal flaw in

815
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: this past year's team. And I just I'm hoping I

816
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: want Bill to stay here. I still think he's a

817
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: great coach. You know, as far as Hid misses his

818
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: GMS is bringing players in, he's pretty good. But come on,

819
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: let's clean it up. Let's get a guy in here

820
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: that can run a briging offense, and let's freak and go.

821
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: Let's see what Mac can do in year through with

822
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 1: an actual capable offensive coordinator. That's all I got, guys.

823
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling, Patty, and not gonna get any arguments

824
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 1: here from that call. But I think the point about

825
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: having a defensive minded head coach and then needing to

826
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: fill that in with an offensive coordinator that has a

827
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: metal I go back to Saban, right, like Saban's been

828
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: all over this at Alabama where he's got Kiffin and

829
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: then he's got Sarkasian and then he's got Obrian like

830
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: he knows right that that's not his side of the ball.

831
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: And what I look at with the Patriots and why

832
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: I have Bill O'Brien and Cliff as number one and

833
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: number two is that they those guys have been head

834
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: coaches before and they come in as the head coach

835
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: of your offense, right, just like Josh was, where that's

836
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: their side of the ball. They're in control of it,

837
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: they know what they're doing. And Bill helps, I'm sure

838
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: with the quarterback, especially because we've we've always heard that

839
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: Bill always has those meetings with the quarterbacks and kind

840
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: of goes over breaking down the opposing defense to kind

841
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: of reverse engineer what he's going to see and all

842
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: the totally cool with that obviously, but that I think

843
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: really is where you have to when you're Saban and

844
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: your Bill and your background is in defense, you got

845
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: to have a guy on offense that's almost equal to

846
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: you on that side of the ball, right, And that's where,

847
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: like Patty was saying, was the biggest du Yeah, no,

848
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: I should have a guy with offensive experience coaching offense.

849
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: I didn't think we get to this point that that's

850
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: kind of a but yeah, all right, justin what's up? Justin? Hey,

851
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: how's it going you guys. I think there is a

852
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: little bit of an underestimation of what the Patriots need

853
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: on offense, like the possible The popular thing to say

854
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: is we just need the number one wide receiver. I

855
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: don't think that's enough. I think you need I think

856
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: you need both the number one wide receiver and the

857
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: t Higgins Gabriel Davis level of number two wide receiver.

858
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: Now that's a little unrealistic because we have Bill Belichick

859
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: and it feels like pulling teeth to get any type

860
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: of receiving talent in here. But what do you guys

861
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: think about that? Thanks for the collegejessin. We're just trying

862
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: to move through these quickly. I think that I don't know,

863
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: I think that they have some good number twos and

864
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: number threes, right like. I think that if you have

865
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: a guy like DeAndre Hopkins, just to use the example,

866
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: I think DeVante Parker and Kendrick Bourne can be a

867
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: two out of three. Yeah. Um, they just they don't

868
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: look like that right now because they don't have this

869
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,959
Speaker 1: question the right of the number one receiver. DeVante Parker

870
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: has been a thousand yard receiver in this league. Yeah,

871
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: you know, if he stays healthy, he can be that guy.

872
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: It's tackle, Yeah, it's tackle. I was like that. I

873
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 1: agree with the point that that's not all they need. Yeah,

874
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: but the point I think that it's not about necessarily

875
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 1: a number two receiver. I think it's it's offensive line.

876
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: It's tackle. There are tackles. We're gonna get this dozen done,

877
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: So I don't want to get I'll wait for that,

878
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: all right, Okay, Eddie in La. We're in La, Eddie. So, guys,

879
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: So I just also want to say something about the

880
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: wide res You were partner of our team. Yeah, um,

881
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: I remember you Evan mentioning that we're a second in

882
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: the league when it comes to explosive plays, right, yes,

883
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: twenty five plays talking twenty yeah it us I didn't

884
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: have Week eighteen in there. Yeah. Anyway, they were up there.

885
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: They're up there. Yeah all right, So maybe like adding

886
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: a better deep threat wide receiver like obviously Higgins or

887
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins would be amazing, but like even someone like

888
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: Alan Lazard or like Jalen Guy and I've seen him

889
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: make big place for the charges. What do you guys

890
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: think about them. So I think the problem is anything

891
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: thanks for the call, is that those guys are more

892
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 1: or the same. That's the same thing we just talked about,

893
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: right right, But I will what I what I agree

894
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: or or I think what he was maybe sort of

895
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: getting at is that, Okay, it's great if you have

896
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, like we all want DeAndre Hopkins, right, or

897
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: even t Higgins. I would take to Higgins. But Whiggins,

898
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: Who's who's the stop? Who's who's Wes Welker, Who's Julian Edelman? Right? Like,

899
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: who's the guy when it's like third and six and

900
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: Mac needs needs seven yards? We're not asking for the

901
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: sixty yard bomb right now, right, We're just ask and

902
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: for third and four, fourth quarter. We're trying to go

903
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: on a drive here to tie the game or to

904
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: take the lead. Like, who's the guy that he goes

905
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: to in that situation? I think that that guy it

906
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: could be Jacob, Well, that's Jacob if he comes back,

907
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: it could be Jacoby. And this is also where I

908
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: said before, right, they need that number one guy that's

909
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: gonna dictate coverage. That guy's not in the draft, the

910
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: chain mover, the slot receiver. That guy might be in

911
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: this draft, and I don't think you need to use

912
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: a first round pick, whether it's Zay Flowers, whether it's Tank, Dell,

913
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: Josh Downs. I mean, Jordan Addison fits the bill. But again,

914
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: I don't think he need draft the guy that high. Like,

915
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: there are some good slot options. So if you mentioned

916
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: my favorite one who Jackson Smith and Juba, he's beyond that.

917
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: I don't is he? Yeah, he doesn't. He's not gonna

918
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: run well. I don't know if he's gonna run. He's

919
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: not gonna run because he's not gonna run well. Right,

920
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: So I look at him as as sort of like

921
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: that a little bit. I guess, yeah, but he's it's

922
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: you got his first round pick probably right. I love

923
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: that guy, so get if you want. I'm talking to

924
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: me Josh Downs in the second, Tank Dell in the fourth.

925
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: Like Okay, they're like that that guy could be the guy,

926
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: or they could just pay Jakobe. But you're right, um,

927
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: I love Jacoby. I I want that guy to have

928
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: more yak. I just do. I want that guy to

929
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: pick up more yak. I want to be able to

930
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: hit him in rhythm and have him take it further

931
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: than he should, right, like I I, and maybe maybe

932
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: if there's more space there, Like I just don't think

933
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: Jacoby is a dynamic enough athlete after the catch to

934
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: to really be that type of guy. I would like

935
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: to see that type of guy in this offense again.

936
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: And that that's the biggest thing to me, is okay

937
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 1: in terms of that last call that we had about

938
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: well they might need a number two guy also. That's

939
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: where it kind of comes from with me with that conversation, right,

940
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: is like who's the chain mover? Who is the third

941
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: down guy? Who's the guy that you know you just

942
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: get the ball out too? And he picks up eight

943
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: yards when he only should pick up three? Like, who's

944
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: that guy? And this offense moving forward? I think is

945
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: an important role to Phil. All Right, last one here,

946
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: we'll get our to our susin duds, Nick, what's going on?

947
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: What's up? Guys? So are you So I'm struggling with

948
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: the mac Alex. I've heard your arguments on a few

949
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: different platforms. Now, you know everybody, every quarterback, yes, everybody,

950
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: every quarterback needs like a good offense, the good duel.

951
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: But with Mask there's just some basic things that I

952
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: keep seeing. One he never steps up in the pocket.

953
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: Every quarterback I see gets pressure, they deal with it.

954
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: Mac is never stepping up in the pocket. That's feel

955
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: problem to me. He doesn't have that feel. Second, he

956
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: always seems to just he doesn't have these reeds. He's

957
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: not processing quickly. Even I watched Bailey Dappy, he at

958
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: least has these quick processing he makes the decision. He's

959
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: not perfect, obviously, blah blah blah. Mac. I mean even

960
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: I think Evan, maybe you did it last thick where

961
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: they had it was a steam route from Pierre Strong.

962
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: I think it was on the interception with Agla wide open,

963
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: completely misses him. And by the way, we know that

964
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 1: that that Agalore shot. You know, that's more for devote

965
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: Parker than him. And I see that over and over again.

966
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: He seems like he's missing a lot of stuff. And

967
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: then and then lastly, the arm strength, Yes he can

968
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: throw down field, we have that. I just don't see

969
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: the velocity at all that seems to be requisite. You

970
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: see it on that second that two point conversion against

971
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: the Bills. It's like, I want to remind you he's

972
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: done a lot of those where it's like those lateral

973
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: throws or you know, so the starlight throws that they

974
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: just seem to miss, they seem to be in the dirt.

975
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to understand, Like I know, we're

976
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, make Max's offense as ideal as

977
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: possible and want to bring Alabama, and it's like, well,

978
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: where's the where's the resiliency, where's the adaptability? And so

979
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: I think what's missing is these fundamentals. I'll hang up

980
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: and if I just have one quick question for you

981
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: before you hang up. Sure the processing stuff that you mentioned, yes,

982
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: did you feel that in the pocket movement too? Did

983
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: you feel that way after his rookie season? Well, and

984
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: I understand. So here's the part that that I that

985
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about with that I watched did you guys

986
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: watch the Hard Knocks in season? I watched the Patriots one,

987
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: but I didn't watch the whole thing. No, So so

988
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: so I'm talking about the Cardinals one this year. So

989
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: you hear Cliff when when I think it was with

990
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: Culte McCoy particularly, he's going, look here, this should be here,

991
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: you should have this, blah blah blah. I'm I'm imagining

992
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: that McDaniels did a lot of that from Mac. Right,

993
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: he was like, look here, this will be open if

994
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: this isn't here. It was probably, as we all know,

995
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: probably more sophisticated than Patricia could do. So part of

996
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: my thinking with that is he had mcdoneld's as like

997
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: an outsource like brain. He's like, hey, look look here.

998
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure how much Mac was processing because

999
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: I think Josh like, hey do this so that so

1000
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: you just proved my point then, but also but also

1001
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: so the reason why I asked you about it after

1002
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: his rookie season, Nick, is because coming out of college

1003
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: at Alabama, processing and seeing things quickly and seeing defenses

1004
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: and things like that was was here cut straight for

1005
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: anybody that watched his Alabama tape, right like, that was

1006
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: the that was his calling card, was that he had

1007
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: it between the ears. So I think that that's like

1008
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: the only thing I'd push back on you about is

1009
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: is that that doesn't just regress overnight for no reason, right, Like,

1010
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: he doesn't all of a sudden go from a good

1011
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: processor at Alabama, a good processor in his rookie season

1012
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: with the Patriots to what we saw this year without

1013
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 1: there being some sort of reason for it to regress.

1014
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: So I think that that's where we're coming from the

1015
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: coaching for that. Is that what you're saying, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1016
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. And that goes back to my point where

1017
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: you're saying, well, he had Josh McDaniels helping him out

1018
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: last year. This year he didn't have him helping him out,

1019
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: and he looked worse. Okay, So instead of knocking him

1020
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: for not being able to succeed when the offensive coordinator

1021
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: can't help him out, why not go back and get

1022
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: another offensive coordinator that can help him out and see

1023
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: if that fixes it. Right, That's kind of my point.

1024
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: That's one option. And although I still think that's that's

1025
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: a deep regret from one year to the next. I mean,

1026
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: that's pretty hard for a regression, right, which suggests it's

1027
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: not a mac jones issue, that there's extenuating circumstances. But

1028
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: there's still are other issues that I don't I don't

1029
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: understand where we're not talking about more was the arm

1030
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: strength and we yea. So we talked about the arm track.

1031
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: The one other I'll talk about the stepping up in

1032
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: the pocket. I've talked about this since camp. He's sped up.

1033
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: He doesn't know where to step up. Because the pocket's

1034
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: not consistent. He doesn't how much time he has to

1035
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: know how to do that. Then why why? Because Bailey's

1036
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: appy wasn't sped up because he didn't have to play

1037
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: four games plus the whole summer behind that offensive line

1038
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: getting inconsistent pressure times. So it was just a bad

1039
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: habit that maxically doubline couldn't let it go. Yeah, that's

1040
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: what's basically what sped up is. Yeah, and that's something

1041
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: that normally coaches work with the quarterback characteristic to have.

1042
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 1: So you're starting quarterback, no, I mean lots of quarterbacks

1043
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: get up. So thanks for the called nick. I I

1044
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: agree with a lot of the arms strength stuff that's

1045
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: out there. I do. I do. I see it on

1046
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: the film also, right like when I throw I highlighted

1047
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: up was on third down to Hunter Henry where it's

1048
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: a blitz Tremaine john Tremaine Johnson right the slock corner

1049
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: from Buffalo. I think I think that's his name, right.

1050
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't know why I said that. It feels like

1051
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: wrong anyways, he blitz off the slot. Damian Harris steps up,

1052
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: picks up the blitz. Mac Jones steps through the pocket

1053
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: and when he goes to throw to an open Hunter Henry,

1054
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: the ball just knows dives, right, It just knows dives

1055
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: into the ground. And if Hunter Henry goes down and

1056
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: scoops it and makes the catch and they convert in whatever.

1057
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: But if he keeps Hunter Henry up on his feet,

1058
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: then Hunter Henry has got a ton of space to

1059
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: run with the football after the catch. Those are the

1060
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: types of plays that because he's not going to hit

1061
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: the sixty yard bomb just Stefon Diggs, they need him

1062
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: to be able to make that throw to pick up

1063
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: those yak yards because that's how that offense is gonna

1064
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: pick up extra yards on top of what is already there. Right,

1065
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: the completion of Hunter Henry for the first down was

1066
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: there for let's call it eight nine yards, but there

1067
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: was a twenty five yard play if the ball hits

1068
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: him in stride. So I think that there's a lot

1069
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: of merit to some of these arm strength things when

1070
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: it comes to movement in the pocket and processing. Those

1071
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: are two things that I saw significantly regress this season.

1072
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: Mac Jones. I never thought that that was a problem

1073
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: for him at Alabama, and I never thought that that

1074
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: was a problem for him for his rookie season, so

1075
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: he's yeah, he's developed some bad habits. And I'm not

1076
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: saying he didn't regress in those ways. He definitely did.

1077
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: I would just say I think those the reason for

1078
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: that regression was coaching, and why not see if better

1079
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: coaching can get him out of those habits before you

1080
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: just totally hit that reset button. Yeah, And I think

1081
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: a lot of the bad habits too that I saw,

1082
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: Like he mentioned the Pierre Strong, you know, releasing into

1083
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: the seam and things like that. I think a lot

1084
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: of what their offense was in this spread gun system

1085
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 1: that they were trying to run a lot of its

1086
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: pre snap determinations of matchups right right. And that was

1087
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: a bad decision, don't get me wrong. Like thinking that

1088
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: to Davys fight us Nelson Aglar is a good matchup

1089
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: for you is not a very good decision. But I

1090
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: think a lot of the throws that we've seen him

1091
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: make where he's quote unquote missed open guys, I think

1092
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: a lot of it is because they're saying to him, like,

1093
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: we want you to get to the line of scrimmage.

1094
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: We want you to pick where you think the weakness

1095
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: and the defense is going to be, and that's where

1096
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: we want you to go with the football. Like there

1097
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: was one against Miami the week before. I think it

1098
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: was Miami. The Cincinnati Miami games are going together for

1099
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: me for some reason. But I think it was against

1100
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: Miami where he misses Jacobe Myers open over the middle,

1101
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: and because he throws it to Taekwon Doward because the

1102
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: safety rotates to Myers and so he's making that initial

1103
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: decision of the safety's going that way, so I'm throwing

1104
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: this way right. That's the type of thing that he's making,

1105
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: and then people are saying, well, why didn't he read

1106
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: it out right? So I think a lot of the

1107
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: decisions that I see Mac make or poor decisions when

1108
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: he's missing open guys again, is because he's already determined

1109
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: where he's going with the football because that's what the

1110
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: offense dictates he do. My guess is yes, right, where

1111
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: As I think with a MAC in McDaniels' offense, there

1112
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: was a little bit more nuanced there for the quarterback,

1113
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: where let's read post snap right, like, let's determine post

1114
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: snap read as at a pre snap, Let's not decide

1115
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: it right away, let's read this out. Let's read out

1116
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: the coverage and let's get the ball to the open guy.

1117
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: This one felt like find your one on one and

1118
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: take a shot right right. And I think that that's

1119
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: a lot of where the open guy conversation the other

1120
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: layer of it. Not to pile one, but you your

1121
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: options are only as good as what's presented to you, right,

1122
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: So when you think you have one thing and then

1123
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: you have you know, to go back to the Bengals game,

1124
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry and John U. Smith running into each other

1125
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: ten yards downfield, or John U. Smith and Kendrick Bourne's

1126
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: routes overlapping, and maybe that wasn't the call in the huddle.

1127
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: You don't know what you're looking at. That may look

1128
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: like a bad decision, but he has no way of

1129
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: knowing that the guy's going to run the wrong route.

1130
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: And if it is a call that is determined that

1131
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: he has to do herman pre snap, that's taken out

1132
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: of the equations. So again it goes back to just yes,

1133
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: there was a regression in regards to him seeing the field.

1134
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: It really feels like that was coaching related, like you said,

1135
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: because it wasn't an issue last year, why not just

1136
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: see if with another coach O'Brien, Cliff whoever, you can

1137
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: fix that instead of blowing the whole thing up. Yeah, No,

1138
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: I I I'm with you, And I don't necessarily disagree

1139
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: with anything the caller said, right, Like, I think all

1140
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,959
Speaker 1: that is there on film, arm strength, missing open guys

1141
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: sometimes with processing issues, pocket awareness or movement. But I

1142
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: just think that some of those things I just think

1143
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: he's saying, I guess, is that some of those things

1144
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: were strengths of his that all of a sudden are

1145
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: now weaknesses and that doesn't just happen, right, And what

1146
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: changed right? And what changed right? All right? Uh? Last

1147
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: one here, Michael, what's up? Michael? Good? Thanks? So I

1148
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: think Evan, this is something that you were talking about

1149
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: a little bit, especially during the full game, was like

1150
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: big need for the Patriots this offseason seems to be

1151
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: outside corner. Yes, And I agree. And I don't really

1152
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: know what their thought processes with Jonathan Jones, if they're

1153
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: going to resign it, if they're going to try to

1154
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: take them back in the plot um. But if definite

1155
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: mccordy retired, then we're talking about probably a big hole

1156
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: just being the secondary and were past for us, especially

1157
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,959
Speaker 1: Christian Barmore being healthy was really elite. So I wonder

1158
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: how much there, you know, how much emphasis they're going

1159
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:31,919
Speaker 1: to put on trying to fill some of these gaps

1160
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: in the secondary, because if you haven't a leak past

1161
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,439
Speaker 1: so much, it helps the secondary out vice versa. Sure,

1162
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: but I don't know what your s thoughts are with

1163
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: the secondary of this offseason and maybe some options for them,

1164
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: especially if mccordy does retire. Yeah, it's a good question, Michael,

1165
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling. We're gonna I keep on saying it,

1166
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: but we're gonna get this doesn does here in a second.

1167
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: And this is like, I'm not trying toot our own

1168
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: horns here. But outside corner was something that we were

1169
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: talking about. And I know they drafted Jack Jones, who's

1170
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: technically an outside corner, outside corner and tackle or two

1171
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: things that we just talked about all of it's every

1172
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: locked draft show everything. We're always a tackle, corner, tackle, corner,

1173
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: tackle for like two years. I was talking great great

1174
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: roster building, Jim. I was talking to Jim. I was

1175
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: talking to Jim Louth at the Sports Ub who told

1176
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: like I was talking to him yesterday or Tuesday or

1177
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: whatever it was, and he was like, you know, you

1178
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: should pull the clip. I remember hearing you and Evan

1179
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: on a show about a year ago saying, when we

1180
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: get to or in the summer, when we get to

1181
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: this offseason, it's going to be tackle, tackle, tackle, corner, corner, corner. Right,

1182
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: where are we? Yeah? Where are we? So? Yeah? It

1183
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: just totally a great free safety. I think the interesting

1184
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: thing is is that Bill wants to be. I would

1185
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: think a post safety man coverage team has always been. Yeah,

1186
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: but there is a conversation. I would assume that if

1187
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: they don't get that true center fielder and there's those

1188
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: guys don't really exist anymore. They're not as Yeah, if

1189
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: they don't get that true center fielder, then maybe they're

1190
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: more of a split safety team moving forward, because I

1191
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:10,479
Speaker 1: think dugger Phillips. If you want to Miles Brian Jonathan Jones,

1192
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: I kind of play that nickel slot hybrid with about Peppers.

1193
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: You bring him out, maybe Peppers. Yeah, I think those

1194
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: guys can play the half field. I wouldn't put them

1195
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: single high, but I think they can split it right

1196
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 1: and be okay. So maybe if Devin retires, it's a

1197
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: little bit of a schematic shift instead of just being um,

1198
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: let's try to draft somebody or acquire somebody that can

1199
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: do all the things that Devin mccordy did, because that's

1200
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: obviously difficult to do even and it stinks because there

1201
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: were guys last year. I thought, like Kirbie Joseph was right.

1202
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: I looked at Kirby Joseph and thought, this guy can

1203
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: can play that role. I haven't dug as deep into

1204
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: this safety class, so maybe that guy exists, but in uh,

1205
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: Steve Bell, I forget if it was Steve or Bryan

1206
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: I think was Brian actually talked about it earlier this year.

1207
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: How's the game is changing away from truce free safeties

1208
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: and true strong safeties and everybody does a little bit

1209
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: of both. I don't hate the idea of taking somebody

1210
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: you already have in the bill holding, whether that's Jonathan Jones,

1211
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: whether it's Marcus Jones, whether it's Miles Bryant and moving them,

1212
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: trying to giving them a shot in that free safety role.

1213
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: But I know he probably could do it. I don't

1214
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: want to see them turn Kyle Dugger no free safety

1215
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: just because the role he's in right now, he's so

1216
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: good in that role he's in right now I wouldn't

1217
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't touch that. Yeah, And I just the reason

1218
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: why I say I don't think Douger can do it

1219
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: is because I think he's a little bit too stiff

1220
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: to play up top. Yeah, to play up top, you

1221
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: gotta be smooth, right, you gotta have smooth pedals. I

1222
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:35,959
Speaker 1: will say transition there are Alabama has four evan four

1223
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: safeties that are expected. We're expecting on the top one hundred.

1224
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: I think a couple of guys may have said they're

1225
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: going back to school, but they've all played, you know,

1226
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: all Alabama. These really versetile safeties. Right, it's Jordan Battle.

1227
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: Jordan ba is gonna be like a first round pick.

1228
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: Uh No, Jordan Balle is gonna be second. Brian branch Um,

1229
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: DeMarco Helm's and I forget who the fourth one was.

1230
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: He might have gone back to school, but okay, we

1231
01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: don't have time for they all rotate. They can all

1232
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: play deep. Bill's gonna have four top one hundred shots

1233
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: at Alabama safety. Who can play deeds. That's gonna be

1234
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: hard for him to say. No, Okay, studzin duds. Finally, yeah,

1235
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: all right, here we go. I like this idea and

1236
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see how it goes with us today because

1237
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 1: we might I might want to do this next year

1238
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: as a segment, all right, So I think I'll just

1239
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: give my three studs and then you give your three studs,

1240
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: and I think he'll be faster that way, all right,

1241
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: Number one stud Matthew Judon. Matthew Judon. I think, Matthew Judon,

1242
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: I get that. People are Oh he faded down the

1243
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: stretch again, not really like, not as bad as last year. Right,

1244
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: the impact was still there. The numbers don't back it

1245
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: up like on the box score, but sacks don't back

1246
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:41,919
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, one sack in the last four games

1247
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: of the season. Pressures back it up. Eighteen pressures in

1248
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: the last five games. His pressure rate fell like a

1249
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: percentage point, right, sorry, a a decimal point, yeah, of

1250
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: a percentage here, So last year he had just to

1251
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: compare this year, he had eighteen pressures in the last

1252
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: five games. He also had that huge game against Cincinnati. Right,

1253
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: last year he had eight pressures in the final five games.

1254
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: So this was he think, pressures in a single game

1255
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: down the show. So this was nothing like last year.

1256
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: I would also say that it also, you know, look

1257
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: at what happened with with Josh I was gonna say, sorry, yeah, yeah.

1258
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: The other thing I would say is that you know,

1259
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: uch Wise Barmore when he came back even a quality

1260
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: had some moments and those guys I don't think get

1261
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: those one on ones if Matthew Judon isn't on the field.

1262
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Speaker 1: So best player on the team, Number one star for

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01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: me this year, Matthew Judon, uh number two Yeah, Josh

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01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: Jay on the other side. Eleven and a half sacks,

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01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: fifty six quarterback pressures for Josh Jay was on the

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01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: second half. Don't care. My favorite player to watch on

1267
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,439
Speaker 1: film all year long. Dude was in his bag every

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01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: single week. Like Judon is just speed rip right, Like

1269
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: he's just I'm just gonna go through you to the quarterback,

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01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:56,919
Speaker 1: which is there's something to be said for that for sure.

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01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: Uch on the other hand, like signature moves across the board, right,

1272
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: he's just stealing moves from guys. Right, I'm gonna run

1273
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,919
Speaker 1: Von Miller's ghost rush. They're not gonna run a heavy

1274
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna it's just like all these awesome moves

1275
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: from everywhere. We finally got the Josh uj breakout that

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01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for that. I've been calling for every

1277
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: training camp. I'm like, he's coming, He's coming, He's coming.

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01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: Eleven and a half sacks, fifty six pressures. That was

1279
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: the best part of their team was the pass rush. Yeah,

1280
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: So I feel like when we do Stars or Studs

1281
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: or whatever of the year, I gotta have the pass

1282
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: rush up top number three year mondre Stevenson. I know

1283
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: that he had the you know, some bad moments late

1284
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: in the year, but unfortunately, when you go eight and nine,

1285
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: you don't make the playoffs. A lot of your star

1286
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: players are not going to play particularly well down the stretch.

1287
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: And I also would say that a lot of that,

1288
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: to me, was because they refused to spell him when

1289
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: Damian Harris was right right, So I think he got fatigued.

1290
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: I do. I think sitting here in October saying you're

1291
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: gonna need him late in the year, he's gonna be tired.

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01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: He got worked out, you know, warned owt like we

1293
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: couldn't play Pierre Stronger, Kevin Harris goff forbid. We we

1294
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: did that and didn't make Germandre playing ninety percent of

1295
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: the snaps, highest highest usage rate for a back in

1296
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: the Bill Belichick era by over ten percent. James White

1297
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: was was fifty four in twenty twelve, not the Belichick

1298
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: era going back ten years, which the league's different before that.

1299
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: James White was fifty four percent in twenty twelve or no,

1300
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight. We get it. Anyway, most scrimmage

1301
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: seven percent. I'm trying to speed him up, morality. Think

1302
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: you can tell most scrimmage yards for Patriots running back

1303
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: since Corey Dylan in two thousand and four. That's impressive, Okay,

1304
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: I know most fourth, most scrimmage yards for any player

1305
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: in the Belichick era, it's that Dylan year two thousand

1306
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: and seven, Randy Moss in two thousand and eleven, West Welker.

1307
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: Those are three of these single greatest seasons a Patriot

1308
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: has ever had. Really, he's number four, one of, if

1309
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: not the best currently statistically he is the best. Yeah,

1310
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: one of the best between the tackles runners in football

1311
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah. Excellent, excellent season for Mondre Stevenson. All right,

1312
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,959
Speaker 1: give me your three studs. All right, I'm just gonna

1313
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: go for no overlap here, Like I agree with you

1314
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: on Jude On but Kyle Dugger, yeah, he I thought

1315
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 1: about Dugger. He took a tremendous, tremendous leap this year.

1316
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: He's a guy that can impact the game on all

1317
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: three downs. You know, put two touchdowns on the board

1318
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball. Brings an edge

1319
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: to that defense. I just thought he added something new

1320
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: that this defense hasn't had. Like it's we always talk

1321
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: about because Bill's been here so long. You know, we're

1322
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: just talking about the Devin mccordy role, or the James

1323
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 1: White role, or the the Julian Ellman west Welker role

1324
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: right with Jakobe Meyers. Now, some people talked about Kyle

1325
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 1: Dugger and the Patrick Chung role, and maybe that's what

1326
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: he was doing early in his career. He's in the

1327
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger role. Now, that's what it's the Kyle Dugger role.

1328
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: It's not anybody else. Number two, Michael on Winu. Yeah,

1329
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: good year for their offensive line to be as bad

1330
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: as it was at times. He's just immune to all

1331
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, and the right tackle spot play next

1332
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: to him was an issue, didn't impact him at all.

1333
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: David Andrews missed time to his left didn't impact him

1334
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: at all until he got hurt in that Buffalo game.

1335
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: He was going to be just the fourth player since

1336
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: twenty twelve to play one hundred percent of the snaps

1337
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: for the Patriots in a season. I think he gave

1338
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 1: up one sack the whole he gave up one sack

1339
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: and let him I think it was. But still he

1340
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: was for everything falling apart around him, he was excellent. Yeah,

1341
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: he deserves a ton of credit and maybe an extension

1342
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: of this offseason. A lot of the one on ones too,

1343
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: because David Andrews is helping Cole right, David is open

1344
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,759
Speaker 1: and a Cole strange all the time. Mike on vast

1345
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 1: majority of the one on ones in that line in

1346
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: the interior where to Michael on Winu and he'd stood,

1347
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,600
Speaker 1: he was. He was freaking awesome. And and by the

1348
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 1: way we talked, you had to ouch I had dugger

1349
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: and on window. All three of those guys now eligible

1350
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: for extensions and entering contract. It's gonna be interesting to

1351
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: see how that goes. I'm just you know me, I

1352
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: like to go off the with these the corners, oh

1353
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: go all of them. I can't put the corners in there.

1354
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, Sorry, Myles Bryant, I can't do

1355
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: it all right? Fine, just hear my pitch out here,

1356
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 1: my pitch. I like him. He's a good guy. In

1357
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 1: the calendar year leading up to this season, they lost

1358
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 1: Jasey Jackson and Stefan Gilmour. They replaced them by signing

1359
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: Jalen Mills, who had been a safety, right right, Drafting

1360
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: a guy in the fourth round and converting a five

1361
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: foot ten guy to a boundary corner. Everything about that

1362
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: is set up to fail. Remember we were talking about

1363
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 1: over the summer and in the spring about all these quote,

1364
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: what are they gonna do at corner? They don't have enough,

1365
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 1: they don't have enough. Right. Jonathan Jones for the most

1366
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,600
Speaker 1: part was excellent. He faded a little bit late in

1367
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 1: the year, but he really only faded against like like

1368
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna he had a phase six four receivers and

1369
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: he's five ten, right, and he's like Stefan Diggs, Stefan Diggs, Right,

1370
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: you know that. Well, so here's my thing. This is like,

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01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: compared to expectations, right right, moving Jonathan Joseph boundary went

1372
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: way better than we realistically thought it could have gone. Yeah,

1373
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: Jack Jones coming in as a fourth round pick and

1374
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: was one of PFF's highest graded corners until he got

1375
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: again compared to what that compared to what we maybe

1376
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: expected him to be though for the role he had

1377
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: to play, he was very good. He's all right. Jalen

1378
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: Mills was the one guy that was whatever. And then Marcus.

1379
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 1: When I say the cornerback position, I don't just mean

1380
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: playing corner mark kids say yes, But Marcus Jones gave

1381
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: this team. Yes, Marcus Jones is his own stuff, but

1382
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones gave this team. So many guys at that

1383
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,879
Speaker 1: position went above and beyond this year. They deserve recognition.

1384
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: All right, all right, now we're moving over to dues.

1385
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: I think both of us have the same number one

1386
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: dud and it's not a player, so I thought we

1387
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: were only doing players. I changed mine. No, you don't

1388
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 1: have to change it if you want to, not because

1389
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 1: I'm not listen. You know what take take because it's obvious.

1390
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: Just besides that one, I think we should do besides No. One,

1391
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: because we all if we're gonna do duds for the season,

1392
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 1: we have to mention it. I'm gonna try to not

1393
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 1: overlap with you again. So this is all you Number

1394
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: one dud. Matt Patricia not every one dud Matt Patricia

1395
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: the worst offense in football, I think, like just in

1396
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: terms of coaching, right, yeah, yeah, I mean, look, we

1397
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 1: spent the first half an hour of the show. I'm

1398
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,759
Speaker 1: not gonna have many shows in the week. We everybody

1399
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: knows why no, Yeah, terrible okay, uh second thud. And

1400
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: this is again not to pat ourselves on the back,

1401
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 1: but not like anybody could have predicted that tackle was

1402
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 1: going to be an absolute mess going into the year.

1403
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: I almost I almost kept Trent out of this. I

1404
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: almost did, but down the stretch, I can't keep Trent.

1405
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: Trenta just complete overhaul at tackle, like they need to

1406
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: start completely over. They need a left tackle, they need

1407
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: a right tackle. We're gonna talk about this, I'm sure

1408
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 1: at nauseum. Sign one Draft one, ye, sign one Draft one,

1409
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:53,839
Speaker 1: all right, tackle number two just in general, in particular,

1410
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: if you want to, if you want a name in particular,

1411
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: I would. I can't even give your name because switching

1412
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: the two of them was list to begin with. So

1413
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: that goes back to your first Oh god, what a

1414
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 1: horrible decision decision, And then we can't go back like,

1415
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: oh my god, what a horrible decision Okay, number three.

1416
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna hate me for this, but I'm

1417
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: gonna do it. Okay, ta Kwon Thornton, And when I know,

1418
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: if we're going verse expectations like I did with the Corners,

1419
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: it's fair. When I say Tae Kwon Thornton, I don't

1420
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 1: mean just Tai Kwon Right. He was misused. They didn't

1421
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: get the most out of him, And I think what

1422
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: a bottom line comes down to is that they asked

1423
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: him too often to be crafty, right, like they asked

1424
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:41,719
Speaker 1: him to convert his routes and run a full route tree,

1425
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,719
Speaker 1: I think ultimately, and I know it drives people nuts

1426
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 1: in the past of the Patriots don't use their their

1427
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: high draft picks out received. I think it was too

1428
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: much on his plate too quickly. Yeah, I don't. Just

1429
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: so you're it's kind of like my thing on Mac right,

1430
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: where I've said all year Mac Jones is not one

1431
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: of the top two reasons Mac Jones struggled this year.

1432
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: You're putting the Taekwon Thornton situation, not just yeah, the

1433
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 1: usage stunk. Like all I was waiting for them all

1434
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: year long was to run him on a deep over

1435
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 1: and they never did. They never brought him in motion.

1436
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 1: They never did anything all right, really quickly Nelson agilor

1437
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: just I don't think we were expecting a ton but

1438
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: he was unplayable by the end of the season. I

1439
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 1: know you said tackles. You focused on Trent Brown, yea,

1440
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: I Trent Brown wasn't good, but Isaiah Win at such

1441
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: another level. He was uncompetitive in a contract year, got

1442
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: benched multiple times and multiple shots disappointing. And then the

1443
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 1: punters both averaged under forty yards net. It was It

1444
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: was bad for a team that needed to punt the

1445
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: ball a lot, the worst punting They were the worst

1446
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: punting team in the league. Yeah, that's a fair punters,

1447
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: all right, Alex and I will be back next week.

1448
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 1: We'll do a lot more of this. We'll do positional

1449
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: needs a different time next week, right at different time.

1450
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: Will be in the afternoon. Still Thursday, Still Thursday, Thursday,

1451
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 1: Still on video. See you then, Thanks everybody, Thank you

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01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:02,040
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