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Speaker 1: You know why I liked you so much as a

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh head coach because you look like you're from Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you got the chin, you got the look.

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Speaker 1: You're just kind of angry on times on the sideline.

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Speaker 2: You know, I used to you still come up to

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Speaker 2: me old ladies in a grocery store like we love

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Speaker 2: it when you get mad. And that touched me on

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Speaker 2: the cheek a little bit of b I think, thank you, man.

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Speaker 2: I think I guess that's a good thing. My wife says,

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Speaker 2: you know they got you got it. You gotta quick

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Speaker 2: getting mad and cussing on the sidelin.

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Speaker 3: No, it was so I'd be like, I'm just brilliant.

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Speaker 2: I love probably coming to me right now, but man,

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Speaker 2: after the after the next playing, I'm gonna I know

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Speaker 2: where you're at. You're not gonna talk.

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 4: Everybody on Peanut to him it And this is the

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Speaker 4: NFL Players second X podcasting with him as always as

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Speaker 4: my trusty co host, Roman Harm.

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Speaker 1: He ready to go, y'all, he ProMED, and legit, he ready.

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Speaker 1: I am, I ready ready, I'll be ready. I am

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Speaker 1: ready ready. I was freezing early. Now I'm hot because

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Speaker 1: I got the next guest and in all the appropriate ways.

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Speaker 1: I've been watching this guy for like my whole life

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Speaker 1: and really excited to hear everything that he has. I

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Speaker 1: know he has so many stories, and I'm just hoping

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Speaker 1: to get about twenty of them.

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Speaker 4: So I think he has a very unique He has

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Speaker 4: a very unique resume. I've never seen a resume quite

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Speaker 4: like his before. He has three successful acts in football.

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Speaker 4: One as a linebacker and a special team's guru yep

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Speaker 4: for the Browns and the Eagles. Two he's a Super

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Speaker 4: Bowl winning coach. He's a Hall of Fame head coach

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Speaker 4: with the Steelers. Three he is a member of the

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Speaker 4: CBS NFL Today Show. Ladies and gentlemen, please walk up

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Speaker 4: to the pod. Bill ocame. I just, oh yeah, keep

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Speaker 4: it going, keep it going, keep it going, going, keep

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Speaker 3: Man. Defensive guy right here.

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Speaker 2: It's defensive guy. And as you probably looked it up,

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Speaker 2: but I did coach the secondary very early in my career.

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Speaker 2: I might add you coaching guys that I actually played with,

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Speaker 2: Hanford Dixon, Chris Rowkins and going back into that room

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Speaker 2: and they're like, man, you're gonna tell us what to do.

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Speaker 2: You were a special teams linebacker, and now you're going

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Speaker 2: to talk to us about bump and run. You're talk

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Speaker 2: to us about playing off covers and go. Yes, I am.

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Speaker 2: I said, if you ask me the question, now have

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Speaker 2: come back to you. I'm not going to bullsh you.

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Speaker 2: So it was probably the best time I enjoyed was

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Speaker 2: coaching the secondary, because I think it is and safety

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Speaker 2: corner Alabama, Louisiana Lafayette, like Taylor coached him too. It's

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Speaker 2: a lonely position out there. A short memory is a necessity, yes,

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Speaker 2: And the only time you really get notice is when

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Speaker 2: you get beat or you make a great player interception, right,

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Speaker 2: So I said, kind of like offensive line. And sometimes

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Speaker 2: Don't get caught looking at things you shouldn't look.

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Speaker 1: So first of all, coach, you already sold me because

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Speaker 1: you know, to go back in a room versus some

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Speaker 1: How do you get a guy that do you ever

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing is is I'd rather you

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Speaker 2: So just keeping that kind of element and trying to

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Speaker 4: That's the one thing we both had the luxury of

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Speaker 4: Coach Rivera would always say I love you for who

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Speaker 3: Do that to let certain players.

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Speaker 4: Some coaches are like, no, you're going to do this,

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Speaker 2: Well, I look at it, and I think there's a

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Speaker 2: I think when you've played the game and you understand

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Speaker 2: all the things in that locker room that take place

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Speaker 2: You're going to be a role model, whether you like

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Speaker 2: I didn't played at the highest of level. Ron did.

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Speaker 1: The sands, Yeah, now you're going into it. Now, why

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Speaker 2: So there's when what knuckles are white? A lot of

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Speaker 2: it's just the little things of the game that to

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Speaker 4: I always give this guy because he didn't play special teams.

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Speaker 3: He was that good.

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Speaker 4: He thinks he's too good to play special teams, almost

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Speaker 4: special teams. I played thirteen years and I played all

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Speaker 3: You were you were special teams. That's how you.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I saw some plays you and Philly and

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Speaker 4: And you were special teams coach.

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Speaker 2: And I was a special teams coach, and all my

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Speaker 2: These two guys are pretty good receivers they turned out

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Speaker 2: I said, yes, said you know most of those guys

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Speaker 3: You had sense for that.

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Speaker 2: You were a very good tackler. So you would have

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Speaker 2: been on that kickoff coverage team. And I always said,

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Speaker 2: make sure that everything goes set because you know what,

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Speaker 3: You're selling me on this. And Number I did play

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Speaker 1: It was like it also saved me like from running

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Speaker 2: He didn't even play the defense and he throws in

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Speaker 2: So I told the Shay, you take half the field

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Speaker 2: You know, he made he probably had he probably had

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Speaker 4: It takes a special coach to see that, though, like

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 4: It's like it takes a special coach to to to

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's just I want to I also want

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Speaker 2: When he just happened again, he goes, I will come

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Speaker 2: We've got too many things going on because you you

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Speaker 2: I could lose you for the season on a meaningless

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Speaker 2: I'm too conservative. I shut things down. But our record

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Speaker 2: I just took one possession away from them, and now

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Speaker 2: they got to get two scores. Now I can dictate

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Speaker 1: when you were playing that I didn't know because you

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Speaker 1: great defense at USC too. Yeah, he played dB with

435
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,000
Speaker 1: Rod Dennis Smith and Joey brown Er.

436
00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,080
Speaker 2: Did you know that? No?

437
00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:08,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, me neither.

438
00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know he was? He was? He was. He

439
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,520
Speaker 2: was a pom returner. Yeah, for the Chicago Bears. Cool,

440
00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,600
Speaker 2: yeah he was. Oh he was? Yeah?

441
00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:17,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

442
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,199
Speaker 2: I mean that's where because he ended up going right

443
00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,280
Speaker 2: into coaching with Buddy because he was pom returning. And

444
00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,679
Speaker 2: it was like nineteen eighty three, think it was a three, right, man.

445
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,920
Speaker 2: So I was covering the kick and I hit him

446
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,679
Speaker 2: and I did and I heard him scream and everyone

447
00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,360
Speaker 2: was on top of me, and I'm thinking, oh, man,

448
00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,120
Speaker 2: we got to get off this. This is not good.

449
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,720
Speaker 2: And I got up and the man go hey man,

450
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,320
Speaker 2: oh I'm so sorry, Like, man, it goes ah. So

451
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,919
Speaker 2: so he he gets into coaching. That was his last

452
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,360
Speaker 2: last snap. The next year and I got into coaching,

453
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,280
Speaker 2: and so like next thing, you know, we've become like

454
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 2: both head coaches, and we've got to know each other

455
00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,600
Speaker 2: very very well. We played against each other so and

456
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,160
Speaker 2: Jeff it was like basically a special team defensive back.

457
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,439
Speaker 2: I was a special team linebacker. But you know that

458
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,359
Speaker 2: when your special team er, it makes you a good

459
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 2: head coach.

460
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it does. I mean, you guys are

461
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 3: all doing well, Coach Harball too.

462
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a.

463
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,159
Speaker 3: Lot of you guys doing well. We're gonna take a

464
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 3: short break and we'll be right back.

465
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 4: I want to talk about the just you being the

466
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,919
Speaker 4: head coach at such a young age. I think you

467
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 4: got it at thirty four when the Steelers made you

468
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 4: the head coach, and at that time that that had

469
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,920
Speaker 4: never been done, kind of like what they're doing now

470
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 4: with a lot of coaches thirty thirty four, thirty two.

471
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:34,679
Speaker 3: But you were, like I feel like you were.

472
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 4: You were like the first one to get the head

473
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,440
Speaker 4: coaching job at thirty four and to get it so young,

474
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 4: and your predecessor Chuck Noll. He had been there over

475
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,399
Speaker 4: twenty years, won four Super Bowls. Like, talk to me

476
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,199
Speaker 4: about getting that job and the expectations of winning.

477
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so I grew up in Pittsburgh too, right,

478
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,400
Speaker 2: So I grew up like four miles from the three

479
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 2: of the stadium is now zach Ers or it was

480
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 2: heinz Field, but it's really still the same spot. So yeah,

481
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 2: I am interviewed for the job. I'd interviewed the year

482
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 2: before for the Cleveland Browns job. At the age of

483
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 2: thirty three, I was a coordinator at the Kansas City

484
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 2: Chiefs with Marty and we'd had a pretty good team

485
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 2: and pretty good defense, and so it came down to

486
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,360
Speaker 2: me and Bill Belichick, and so they gave it to Bill,

487
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 2: and I almost got their job with the Giants. I

488
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,399
Speaker 2: was offered a job to go with Bill Belichick and

489
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 2: the Giants in nineteen eighty nine, when Marty got fired.

490
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 2: I was a defensive back coach, so Parcels and I

491
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 2: interviewed with Bill. Parcells called me up and asked, you

492
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 2: offer me a job to be defensive back coach. But

493
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,439
Speaker 2: I said, you know, I'm gonna go with Marty to

494
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 2: Kansas City he gave me a first chance, and so

495
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 2: Bill ended up coaching secondary and I ended up going

496
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,199
Speaker 2: to linebackers. So we actually met in eighty nine and

497
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 2: for eighty nine and ninety we used to share and

498
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 2: talk a lot about common opponents. Ninety one, he becomes

499
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 2: a Cleveland Browns coach. Ninety two I've become the Pittsburgh

500
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 2: Steewers coach. We went from friends of avisaries very quickly,

501
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 2: and I was I was young in my hometown coming

502
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 2: through that. But you know, the Steelers were kind of

503
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 2: in a little bit of a transition. They had not

504
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 2: been into the playoffs like one time in the previous

505
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,479
Speaker 2: seven years, so there was a lot of you know,

506
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 2: there was a lot of history and tradition, but it

507
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 2: was not there now, kind of like where they are

508
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 2: now right a bit. And uh So just came in

509
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 2: and I had a whole new staff. The only person

510
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 2: I kept was Dick Hoke Off that old staff just

511
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 2: tried to figure out the building, you know what the

512
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: dynamics of the building were, Like who do I talk to?

513
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 2: And like how do you work in the GM And yeah,

514
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 2: do you go right to the owner and not go

515
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: to the owner? And so I you know it. The

516
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,719
Speaker 2: first year that we had that first training camp, we

517
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: walked up there and there was a paper strike. I'll

518
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 2: never forget this in Pittsburgh that time, that first training camp,

519
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 2: it was a lot of disgruntled players who did not

520
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 2: want to be there. Thomas Ever never even showed up.

521
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 2: Harry Nickerson didn't want to be there because there was

522
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: a lot of contract disputes and it was right now

523
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 2: where there was no free agency. It was kind of

524
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: like we had the we could protect forty eight players,

525
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 2: and it was like during that period of time there

526
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: was no free agency. So it was a very i

527
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 2: would say period of time where I was standing up

528
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 2: there and we had a challenge with our staff. And

529
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: it's remember we first defensive meeting. Dom Capers was my

530
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator. Dick Labo was coaching the secondary. I hired

531
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 2: Marvin Lewis, who I played high school football with the

532
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 2: coaching linebackers because I said me, and you need a

533
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 2: coach the linebackers because a lot two of these guys

534
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 2: are older than you and I okay, so so I

535
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 2: got you and I kept Steve Ferness for the defensive line.

536
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: But it was a linebacking group. We had. We had

537
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: like Greg Lloyd and you know, David Little. These two

538
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 2: guys were like, like, you know, Brian Hinkel. Hinkel was

539
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: older than me, David Little was older than me. So

540
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: we came in and we put in a whole new

541
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: system under Rod Russ. The previous year they led the

542
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 2: league in defense, so they were not already didn't They

543
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: didn't want to. He didn't want to change, like why

544
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: are we changing? The offense was just embracing everything because

545
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 2: they hated the coordinator before and I brought him Ron

546
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 2: Earhart from the Giants, and we're gonna run the football.

547
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 2: We had a young kid, I think I thought Barry

548
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 2: Foster was perfect. We had a big, really good offensive.

549
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: We had Dermonty Dawson, we had you know, Carlton Hassel Rigg,

550
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: John Jackson. I mean it was my first pick was

551
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,959
Speaker 2: Leon Searsly, and so it was like we had we

552
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: had a good offensive line. Neil' donald was our quarterback.

553
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: But so we're gonna run the ball and play good defense.

554
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 2: And but that camp, there was a lot of fights.

555
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: I remember breaking it up and kind of letting it

556
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: go and just trying to earn the trust of these

557
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: guys and because everything I was doing, they were kind

558
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: of looking at me like like what are you doing?

559
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: Like like like what do you think you're doing? Like

560
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: you're walking in here thinking you're changing everything. Do you

561
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: know where the Pittsburgh Steels. I'm gonna listen, I respect

562
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 2: your Pittsburgh Steelers, but we're gonna do some things differently

563
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: here with the recognition and make and trying to bring

564
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 2: back the history and that you're dition what we had before.

565
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: So we had like our first spring. I remember bringing

566
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: back Joe Green and Jack Lambert and Franco and mel

567
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: and trying to bring them in to talk about what

568
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 2: it means to be a Pittsburgh Steeler in the city

569
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: of Pittsburgh. And I brought those guys back into the

570
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 2: building because I just wanted to just talk about these guys.

571
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 2: They were they they set the standard. Man. It was

572
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 2: that was that was a turnaround in the seventies, and

573
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: these guys all stayed in the city. Man, they were.

574
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: This was a renovation, renovation and the rejuvenation of our

575
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 2: city because of this football team. And so yeah, we

576
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: we won early. I went to the playoffs the first

577
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 2: six years, and you know, I think I just I

578
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: just put my head down, and you know, I just

579
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: felt like it was a blessing to be able to

580
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,479
Speaker 2: coach your hometown team and to be able to do that.

581
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: But that's just I felt like the responsibility, Like you know,

582
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: just being from Pittsburgh, everybody, everyone wants to touch you

583
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: and they come up they always every always patting you

584
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: on the back or pat they said, they want to

585
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: hit you like you're one of them, right, so so

586
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: and I was one of them, you know, and I

587
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 2: wore my emotions on my sleeve. I really didn't care

588
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 2: what what like, I just I love to compete and

589
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: we were going to be a hard nosed, tough team

590
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: and we didn't like losing. But we love to compete

591
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,239
Speaker 2: and if you knock us down, that will not define us.

592
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: We will get back up. And so it was about

593
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 2: a degree of resiliency that we needed to have and

594
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: that'd be kind of the very fiver that we were

595
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 2: built from.

596
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: Coach you talked about trust and earning it a lot

597
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: of times as players we got to earn the trust

598
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: of our coaches. Was it a certain win or a

599
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: certain moment where you knew, like, okay, the players are

600
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: starting to trust what we're doing that first year because

601
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: it's usually a defining moment.

602
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, I think it's like when

603
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: you can have a win, a signature win. And I

604
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 2: think even the first win that we went down to

605
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: Houston and we had like lost a couple of defensive backs.

606
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: We had a couple of guys came out off the

607
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 2: street and we're playing a run and shoot with Warren

608
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: and we beat them, and Rod mad had a couple

609
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: of interceptions, like they were moving a ball, but once

610
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 2: they got into the red zone, we were squatting on

611
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: a lot of things, and all of a sudden, like

612
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 2: we made a couple of picks. Yeah, and and okay,

613
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: we did this and then all of a sudden, we

614
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 2: start running the ball and Barry Foster became up. Barry Foster,

615
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: he's been on the team for a couple of years,

616
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: but no one knew about Barry Foster. So it was,

617
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: you know, this is who we are. And I think

618
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: it does. I think I think that they trusted who

619
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: you were, and like I'd say, it's maybe I could

620
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: have maybe called a better game, and we got we'll

621
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: learn from this together and we'll go through some of

622
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 2: these trials and errors and learned to trust each other.

623
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: And I want to get us to be able to

624
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: have conversations like they didn't want to meet after practice, like, oh, no,

625
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 2: you don't have to, But I think it's just great

626
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: if we can have open dialogue. I think every one

627
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: of these coaches want to hear what your input is.

628
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: We can do some of the things that you might

629
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: want to do. Hey, that's a great idea. Let's try it.

630
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 2: You know. So I want you to take ownership over

631
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 2: this football team, and I got to be able to

632
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: allow you to have input into some things. If I

633
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: want you to take the ownership in the locker room

634
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: and like that to pulls find out who those alpha

635
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: dogs are and I I've maybe talked to. So that

636
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: was my first thing. Who are the guys in that

637
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: locker room? That was Rod, It was Greg Lloyd, it

638
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 2: was DEMONDI Dawson, it was Dwight Stone, it was some

639
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: of these guys that Okay, you guys are like what

640
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: can I do? Like, you know, I'm going to push you,

641
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: but I'm not gonna I don't want to lose you,

642
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 2: but I'm going to push you. I'm probably gonna make

643
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: you uncomfortable. So get comfortable being uncomfortable, because I think

644
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: that's the only way I can get the best out

645
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: of you.

646
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, coach uh, I want to know was there

647
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: any advice given to you when you took over the

648
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: team that you grew up probably rooting for from Chuck Knowle,

649
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: who had been there for twenty something years. Was there

650
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,479
Speaker 1: any advice that he left with you?

651
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: True story. I got on a plane, he says, I said,

652
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: I'm going down to Clemson to do a workout. He goes,

653
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: what don't you jump on the plane with Chuck and

654
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: he's going down to Florida to his home. I go,

655
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: this is great. I get to pick his brain. So

656
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: I go and I get on the plane. I said.

657
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: So we sit down and they coach, and then I go, Hey,

658
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: tell my bubby brister, Neil O'Donnell. What do you think? Yeah?

659
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: They're good? I go, yeah, I know, I mean they're

660
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: they're good players. I says, but like, did you like

661
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: one over the other? He goes, you know, they both

662
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: got their qualities. I go, okay, okay, we're not goingwhere

663
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: that way? Okay, I go the building. I said, let

664
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: me tell you about the building. I says, you know,

665
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: he had the GM. There's a director and mister Rooney.

666
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: I says, like, who did you go through first? Was

667
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: the did you have to like go through a certain mannery?

668
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: He said, it's a good building. I go, I know,

669
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 2: it's a good building. I understand. I says, do you

670
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: go to the GM. Yeah, GM's fine. Did you go

671
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: to him before, mister Rooney? Mister Rooney is a good man.

672
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: He'll listen to you. I go, okay, we are certainly

673
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: getting over. He goes, so, how's where you going to

674
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: live in Pittsburgh. I'm going okay. He doesn't want to

675
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: talk about football. He didn't want to give me any

676
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: preconceived thoughts coming into that building. And so that's why

677
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: I said, I said, sometimes we go in there figure

678
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: it out yourself.

679
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

680
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I figure it out yourself quick. Don't go

681
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: in there with a preconceived plan. Okay, I should talk

682
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: to this person and go I said, but I do

683
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: remember the only advice I got from Marty Schottenheimer was

684
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: the three most important people you're going to have that

685
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 2: you got to have a relationship within that building is

686
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: the owner, the owner, and the owner. So I always

687
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: remember that and and Dan Rudey wanted that, and so

688
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: I always had that with him. And in a lot

689
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: of times the conversations were about family, about the state

690
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: of the game, very very little about the state of

691
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: our team.

692
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: Now, if that was advice, the great advice you got

693
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: from Marty Schottenhamer when you chose to walk away, did

694
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: you leave any advice with coach Tomlin?

695
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: I gave him the same advice he gave me. I said,

696
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 2: there's a couple of beer, is a refrigerator every now

697
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: and then, you may want to have one. I didn't.

698
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: And you know, I just remember telling them we had

699
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: some qualified coaches on the staff. And I just said,

700
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: you know, there were some qualified coaches. When when Chuck

701
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: stepped out, and I says, but you went not kind

702
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: of outside the building with me. It wasn't a bad

703
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: path to take. So you know, bring someone else who

704
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: doesn't have preconceived thoughts.

705
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: There we go, preconceived thoughts, that's the biggest I love that. Yeah,

706
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: and I'm glad that you learned that from Chuck. Know

707
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: that I'm not going there with preconceived thoughts. I don't

708
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: want to give him any either.

709
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: No, you'll figure it out. Yeah, you'll figure it out.

710
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: That's great.

711
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 4: Two thousand and five was. It was a great season

712
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 4: for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Talk about that season and how

713
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 4: how great it was to actually win the Super Bowl

714
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 4: and just like that was that was what you were

715
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 4: working for.

716
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: You know, you had been.

717
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: There a while and finally too old and it was

718
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: you and you.

719
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: You remember the game we played against you, that game,

720
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: that game was the pivotal game for us, and that

721
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: really was because we were we were eight and three.

722
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,239
Speaker 3: The bus ran me over that game too.

723
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: And then we lost three straight games. And the first game,

724
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: I says, you know what this we had a goal

725
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: board up. I says, the only one goal we got.

726
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: We're gonna play this one game at a time, Chicago Bears.

727
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: So we sat there and we played, and that was

728
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: you guys had been wonting like six straight games coming

729
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: in there, and the snow came down. I go, god,

730
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: this is a great sign. It was, this is a

731
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: great sign. So the snow comes down.

732
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: My first snow game, Yeah, it was it. It was

733
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 3: my first snow game.

734
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: And you remember, but the bus running over Brian or.

735
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,479
Speaker 3: I do, I was right. I was at the end

736
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: of That's what was.

737
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 4: Like he got Brian and then he got me because

738
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 4: I was like scraping over the top of runs to

739
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 4: the balls, like all this extra weight. I'm two hundred pounds,

740
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 4: it was like four hundred plus pounds.

741
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: Was losing.

742
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: And then the next week we had to go up

743
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: to Minnesota to play in Minnesota. They had they had

744
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: won like seven straight. So we'd beat Minnesota, Chicago, Minnesota

745
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: back to back. Then we went to Cleveland and like

746
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: they were not and we beat them. And then our

747
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: last game we had to beat the Detroit Lions. So

748
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: we had like three of the four. It was the

749
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: NFC North and so we won and got into the

750
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: sixth seed. And I'll just never forget that. So the

751
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: sixth seed, I said, hey, listen, no sixth seed has

752
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: ever even gone to a championship game, alone win a

753
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. So last year's team that went to the

754
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: championship game and lost to the Patriots when Ben was

755
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: a rookie, we were fifteen and one. This team's going

756
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: to be maybe one and done, but currently if they

757
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: even get one, right, So you know, So it was

758
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: that was I kind of challenged our team with that,

759
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: and you know, and so I told the story matter

760
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: of fact that you know, in Christopher Columbus discovered America.

761
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: That you know, when he left, they told him, don't

762
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: do it because the world is flat and you're on

763
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: a death mission. But he said, no, I'm convinced that

764
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: something else out there, and Christopher Clumbus wiant to discover America.

765
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: And my point was very simply is don't let history

766
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: dictate your future. Let your future make history. Let's do

767
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 2: something that no one else thinks you can do. And

768
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: so that was kind of what we talked about that

769
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: being the case, and so everything every game that we

770
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: went on, I go, it's just another storm, you know.

771
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: And if you lose a couple along the way, that's

772
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: why we got depth on this team, he says, that's

773
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: why you have a lot of people. Sometimes you lose guys,

774
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: you know, and that's just part of it. Yeah, but

775
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: we're on this journey and we're gonna make We're going

776
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: to make history. We're going to do this thing.

777
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 4: So where do you find and this is something that

778
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 4: I love about I love about love about head coaches.

779
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 4: Where do you find these stories and where do you

780
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 4: fund the inspiration to go in front of the team

781
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 4: on a Saturday night before the game and just give

782
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 4: them this great speech.

783
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: You know, I had like I had Lou Holtz uh

784
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: in college and Lou Holtz hols Man. He was like,

785
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: you do magic trate, So he he more than just

786
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: oh he do master, you know what I mean. So

787
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 2: it's almost like you went in there like he took

788
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: your mind off of the game, but then he had

789
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: a way of bringing it back and like okay. And

790
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: the other guy he had was Frank Ants. Frank Antz

791
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: was a special teams coach in the Philadelphia Eagles. He

792
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: was a head coach for the Kansas City Chiefs for

793
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: a period of time. He was in the Marines. He

794
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: was an Army. He had the best stories about identifying

795
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: and talking about football being a gladiator being you know,

796
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: it's about you know, spree of corps, just like you

797
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: have a group that in the army and you're going

798
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 2: across that you're going against enemy lines. So that whole

799
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: concept of just having analogies along the way, that's kind

800
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: of like kind of not just about football, but kind

801
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 2: of about life, you know, and which is so true

802
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: about anything about you know, getting back up and surrounding

803
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: yourself with people that have your back, you know, and

804
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: just leaving it right there. It doesn't matter where you

805
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: come from, it doesn't matter at all. Like we're all

806
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: in here together. All it's a brotherhood. This is a family.

807
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: We're together, you know, and it's it's like and so

808
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: that was what we tried to build. I had three

809
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: daughters at home, and I said, I had fifty three

810
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: boys at work. It's the same thing. It's choices and consequences.

811
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: It's the people you surround yourself with most important. And

812
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: nothing good happens after midnight. Yeah, so true, you know,

813
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: so true. And I said, I Pittsburgh's a big, small city.

814
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: I said, I know where you're at. I know what

815
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 2: time you late you leave, So just just know that.

816
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're under a watchful eye, I said, So

817
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: I will always be there watching over you.

818
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: So you know, Coach, I mean, Peanut brings up such

819
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: a great point. And it's so interesting when we get

820
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: like we get a head coach of your caliber here

821
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: and you know, you tell this Chris forher Columbus thing

822
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: and I'm like, back in my defense my eyes, You're like.

823
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're going to do this.

824
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know we're going to do that. They

825
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 2: keep telling you, what's the greatest thing in sports? Doing

826
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: something someone tells you you can't do?

827
00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 3: It's nothing better.

828
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: Can't do it? Oh yeah, I can't do it, thank you.

829
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: You know, And we take that stuff for granted, honestly,

830
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: because we've been in so many meetings, We've heard so

831
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: many you know, the burn the boat speeches.

832
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: And all this.

833
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy because you know, I think it's normal.

834
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: I think it's very because I've just been to it.

835
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: We've been blessed, they've been spoiled with it.

836
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

837
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: And my daughter's basket AAU basketball team they lost the

838
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: game a couple of weeks ago, and you know, parents

839
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: are like whatever, Look, they're in eighth grade. I'm like,

840
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: nobody's ever asked me about any game that I lost.

841
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: It Like, never, nobody's ever asked you about a game

842
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: in eighth grade. It's way bigger life than this, right,

843
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: And so the girls are kind of down on themselves,

844
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,479
Speaker 1: and I just come over there to them and I'm like, hey, look,

845
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: you ever heard of foxhole mentality?

846
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 3: They were like, no, what is that? Like somebody laughing?

847
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: You guys know exactly what.

848
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: We're in this together together.

849
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: Man.

850
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: Foxhold mentality is like, man, you go down, you know,

851
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: you look at all the girls on your team. That's

852
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: all you Got's no coaches, ain't no parents, You don't

853
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: hear nobody.

854
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: It's just you got.

855
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: You're the foxhould see anybody else else at right? We

856
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: gonna go handle it and we're gonna sell it ourselves.

857
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: You have that mentality and you get each other's back,

858
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: and won't nobody be able to face you? And then

859
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: they were like every parent was like where did you

860
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: get that from? They've never heard it. It's like, this

861
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: is you.

862
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 2: Know, And I just thank you for what you guys

863
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 2: are doing because you're talking about like just the second

864
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: acccan and and that's so true in life. And I

865
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 2: think that the lessons that we've learned playing this sport

866
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: that we love and yes, at the highest of levels

867
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: and doing that, but you also you gave a bit

868
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 2: of yourself to a better a bigger cause, and that

869
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: to me is what the you know, life is about.

870
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: And so your podcast is awesome because I think we're

871
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 2: constantly trying to trans from one phase of life to another,

872
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: and I think that's the challenge that we all have

873
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 2: because we're not players anymore. We can't do the things

874
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: that we once did where it's physically or even mentally.

875
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 2: So what where are you? But stay stay purpose driven,

876
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: stay challenging yourself, find a sense of purpose in what

877
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: you're doing in life, whatever that may be. You know,

878
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: and that to me is the thing that we all

879
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: have to be able to go through. So I applaud

880
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: you for bringing this up and talking about transitioning from

881
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: one phase of life to another, because we all go

882
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: through it, whether they like to or not.

883
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 3: We'll be back in a minute. I want to know this.

884
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: We ask a lot of people, this is like, what

885
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: was your welcome to the NFL moment as a coach,

886
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: whether it's special teams or as a head coach?

887
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: Well, the head coach, this is the true. I think

888
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: it was nineteen eighty five. It was like my first

889
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: year is a special teams coach. I think as a

890
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: preseason game, the very first preseason game, and the opening

891
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: kickoff was returned for a touchdown.

892
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: I go, wow, I.

893
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: Go, and then we we had like we had a

894
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: rough and the punter like I go, I go, I go.

895
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: He's like, I go, No, I go I got this.

896
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: I go. I'm okay, I go. I I you say,

897
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: it's the pre season, Okay, I go, don't fire me.

898
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 3: It's one game for one.

899
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: Game, and I'm telling you I can do this. So

900
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: it was like okay, oh man, Well, like golf goes

901
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: and this goes, and all of a sudden you try

902
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: to block the kick and all of sudden rough the

903
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: kicker to give the first down. Like what the hell?

904
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: I got? I go, I know, I know, I got

905
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: got coach, I got it, I got I'll get this right.

906
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: But you know, that was that was an assistant And

907
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: then you know, I think head coaching is just it's

908
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: it's just all the responsibility that that you kind of had.

909
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: I think my first year was such a like I said,

910
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: thank God goodness, there was like a paper strike because

911
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: I was just trying to like, you know, do the

912
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: right thing, and you know, one guy is doing this

913
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 2: and just trying to keep everything together and yet be fair,

914
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: you know, and just know there's a give and take,

915
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: Like we can't just sit there and ask these guys

916
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: just to do what you're asking them to do. We

917
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 2: have to we have to win their trust. And I said,

918
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 2: and that's going to be a little give and take

919
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: on both sides of it. We're gonna ask me to

920
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: do something, but then I'm gonna take them to the

921
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: movies half instead of doing the afternoon two today practice,

922
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: we're gonna go to the movies, but there's another afternoon

923
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 2: we're not gonna go to the movies, and we may

924
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: be out here for two and a half hours. We're

925
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: going to start the practice over because clearly didn't realize.

926
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: You must think that we didn't have the pads on

927
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: because I haven't heard a pad pop yet. We don't

928
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: have shows on. There's pads on. So let's just start

929
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: this over because clearly guys were unaware that.

930
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: That's a that's a that's a vet coach move all day.

931
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: You know what, Hey, when they go start all the

932
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: way back to stretch.

933
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: You're like.

934
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 3: Everybody all the way over.

935
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 4: I when I to hear that is display.

936
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: So he was just mumbling and here's here.

937
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: You know, when you get there for a while, they'll

938
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: know that I'm getting that way. When all of sudden

939
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: I get quiet. If I get quiet, I mean joy

940
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 2: pieces going. Oh PC's getting quiet. Man, it's pick this

941
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: up like like I just pick it up. Let's go.

942
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 2: He's getting quiet over there. I'm like, we're gonna have

943
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 2: to start this over.

944
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 4: We did something like that. When you remember Rivera came

945
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 4: on the bus. We were getting ready to This is

946
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 4: in twenty fifteen. We're getting ready to go Pittsburgh. We're

947
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 4: finna play somebody, and something happened and Rivera came on

948
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 4: the bus. It was like, everybody get off the bus.

949
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 4: We had him in the meat room and it was.

950
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 3: Just like, oh my god, here we go.

951
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 4: We finny get it. And then it was just one

952
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 4: of those it is like, all right, we got to

953
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 4: straighten up. Fellas, like, come on, I'm not used to getting.

954
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: Yelled at the coach. Really, this ain't really in his character.

955
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 3: I think I'll put a name on it.

956
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: I think you know, Cam didn't wear a tie in

957
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: like a suit, and he was just like, all right,

958
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: we're winning. Everybody's just feeling a little too good. It was,

959
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: you know, it is it's just like, you know what,

960
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't even.

961
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: Like how I'm a chim right now the house.

962
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: I don't even like how my kids are acting before

963
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: we leave out. So as a matter of fact, everybody

964
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: out the car and then we ran back in, he

965
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: roasted everybody in the team meeting and then sent us

966
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: back on the way, and we're like, okay, gotcha.

967
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 3: Got it. You know, it's just like.

968
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's all said, know, yell at us, no

969
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 4: mo yes, coach. What I want to know is the

970
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh blue collar mentality you coached guys like Troy Palmerleu

971
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 4: Rod Woodson, James Harrison, Hardy Nickerson, Kevin Green. Was this

972
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,959
Speaker 4: something that you had to drive into those players because

973
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 4: I know some of them they're not from that that

974
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh area, right, So was that something that you really

975
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 4: had to drive into them, like the blue collar Pittsburgh mentality.

976
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was. It's just how I like to

977
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: play the game of football. Honestly, I really do believe

978
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: there's a physicality to the game that back then start

979
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 2: on the lines and it went out. But it was,

980
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 2: you know, to me, that's what the Pittsburgh Steers were

981
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: all about. That's what that blue collar mentality of Pittsburgh was.

982
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: It's like a lunch pale, like like we're gonna be

983
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 2: pack your lunch because it's going to be a while.

984
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: You know, if you think you're gonna beat us. You

985
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: bear make sure it's going to take a while. We

986
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: packed our lunch. It means it might be a bad morning,

987
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: bad first half, but we eat that lunchtime, and when

988
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: it's all said and done, we're gonna be still standing.

989
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: And if we're not still standing, we're gonna get back up.

990
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: We're gonna be your worst nightmare. So I just wanted

991
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: to have a physicality how we play the game to

992
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: be able to close games. I think that that's important,

993
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 2: and I think that people thought that. And then if

994
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: you watch us evolve, we threw the ball more in

995
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 2: the first half than anybody else in the national football

996
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: Like I still always just think about you throwing early

997
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: to run late, because if you have a mentality of

998
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: being able to close the game and know that that's

999
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: who you are, but then you open it up early

1000
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: and have some diversity in what you're doing. Some exam

1001
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: he plays. I like flea flickers, I like reverses to

1002
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: slow down defenses. I just thought doing those things double

1003
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: move early, dude, don't say but do it early, because

1004
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: not all If I can just do one thing to

1005
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: slow you down and to make sure on the backside

1006
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: before you start to taking off, chase and being like

1007
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: a Troy Palmalu. I'm bringing some of that else right right,

1008
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: I'm i gotta reverse coming right back your way. So

1009
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 2: if I can just slow you and have you think

1010
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 2: a little bit about every bit of your responsibility, whether

1011
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 2: it's a double move, it's reverse, whether it's a flea

1012
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: flicker or some nature that. If I can do that

1013
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: early in the game, I think I've accomplished a little

1014
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: bit of the fact that I got you now playing

1015
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: in the back of your heels a little bit instead

1016
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: of feeling free lancing and being able to sit there

1017
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: and just do whatever you want to do.

1018
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 3: I like that.

1019
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because now you got me thinking, I know

1020
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like I'm thinking now I'm going away

1021
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: from the book now, I'm going from football mode. Not

1022
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: like that, because I loved watching the Steelers, all right,

1023
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: you guys are I was rooting big time for you

1024
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: guys when you know nil O'donnald through the interceptions in

1025
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: the Superhero like this was my team, okay, And I

1026
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: loved you guys because of the defense, Greg Lloyd, Kevin Green,

1027
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: Rob Curtiinson, guys.

1028
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 3: So I want to talk about that, but I wanted to.

1029
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 3: I normally talk about defense.

1030
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: I want to go to offense though, and you talked

1031
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: about how you guys love to throw it early, to

1032
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: run it late, and you guys with so much shotgun too.

1033
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: When you had Neil O'donald like a lot more than

1034
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: what most teams were doing at that time. But then

1035
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: you had Slash and Cordell Stewart and he would make

1036
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: getting him in the mix.

1037
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: How did this thing kind of evolve? And did when?

1038
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: Did you? Like?

1039
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 3: Man, we I think we've really got something.

1040
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: So so Cordell. So we get Cordell and is we

1041
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: drafted him the second round and it's like ninety five,

1042
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: and so I said, hey, listen, uh you know Neil,

1043
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 2: this is we went the ANC championship game here before.

1044
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: So I says, you know this is Neil's team, Soboby,

1045
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: you can sit back there at back of them up.

1046
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: So he's played back up in training camp and then

1047
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, like the first week, we had

1048
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: a bunch of injuries and I like, quit, just WoT

1049
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: go out there and just give you a scout team receiver.

1050
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,479
Speaker 2: He goes sure, and he went out there and going

1051
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: like a semi w out and I'm going and he

1052
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: cut like he plucked his bone. He tapped pat to

1053
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: his feet and goes, damn. I go, he's pretty good.

1054
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: And so I go, I said, run just let's some

1055
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: put him in just a couple offensive plays. Let's go

1056
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 2: five wives. Because we have Andre Haston's fancy fake penn,

1057
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 2: we have Arnie Mills, and so we had like I said,

1058
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: let's put him in there. And so he got So

1059
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: we got him. I said, you know, everything is good

1060
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: about this. I said, let him see Neil run the

1061
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: huddle too. That way he'll be in the huddle, he'll

1062
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: watch the quarterback call the play. It's be kind of

1063
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 2: great chance for him to see how what it's like

1064
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,479
Speaker 2: on game day, not just in practice, yeah, in terms

1065
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: of taking a play and call him playing in the huddle.

1066
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 2: And so he played receiver that year and he probably

1067
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: caught thirty five forty balls. So the next year Neil leaves. Okay,

1068
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: after the Super Bowl, we didn't sign him. He had

1069
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: won a big contry back and so I said, okay,

1070
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: well we still have we have Quardell, we have Jim Miller,

1071
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 2: and we have Mike tom Zack. So we go into

1072
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: training camp and I'm going, okay, that one's really separating themselves.

1073
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, like the weekend, I got, hey, Cordella,

1074
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: I said, come here, I go. Honestly, you're still one

1075
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 2: of our better receivers. I said, give me one more year.

1076
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: I said, I tell you what, I'm gonna call you

1077
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 2: quarterback slash uh wide receiver. I'm gonna call you slash. Yeah,

1078
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: and I go, So I gave him the name slash

1079
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 2: because it's quarterback slash wide receiver. I go, I want

1080
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,479
Speaker 2: to play quarterback. I go, I know, and I want

1081
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: you to. I go, but right now, you're the best,

1082
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 2: one of the best receivers we got.

1083
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 3: Yes, I go.

1084
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 2: So now I'm I get Jim Miller and Mike Toms.

1085
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't rotate. It's hard for three

1086
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: guys to find out. None of you guys are separating yourself, right.

1087
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: So then I go Tom Zach and he starts. He

1088
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: does the whole year, and Jim Miller backs him up

1089
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: and we go to the playoffs with Tom Zach and

1090
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: then you know, and then I said, okay, it was

1091
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: Cordell's year. The next year, and we did a lot

1092
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 2: of things. Chang Gaily was great with him. Yes, you know,

1093
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 2: and then Chan after the ninety seven season, our first year,

1094
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: we go to the AC Championship game with Cordell. You know,

1095
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: he has a tough AC Championship game against Denver. I

1096
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: there's a couple of interceptions, but that year, you know,

1097
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 2: the quarterback draws the empty, We ran the option. We

1098
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 2: did a lot of things that people are doing today

1099
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: with Lamar and stuff. Yes, we did that stuff back

1100
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety seven.

1101
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that you guys open it up and nobody was

1102
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: ready for you.

1103
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 2: No, no, he was ready for that. I said. At

1104
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 2: the same time, in the fourth quarter, we had two

1105
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: tight ends and we had John out. We had a

1106
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: fullback and running back, so we could we could play

1107
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: bully ball, but we could open it up to and

1108
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: do that that. We had that kind of diversity in

1109
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 2: doing that. But we never lost the identity of being

1110
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: a team and we we're gonna win to run the ball.

1111
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: We're going to run it. You know, we're going to

1112
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: run it. Yet we're gonna win it and run it successfully.

1113
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: That was a whole mentality. But we can open it

1114
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: up until then.

1115
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 3: This is like that.

1116
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: As soon as you brought him like, oh yeah, this

1117
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: is exactly what I want to be because like it

1118
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: was so exciting for me as a young person, like

1119
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: watching you guys play because it just looks so different

1120
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: than everybody else.

1121
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 3: And Slash was like he.

1122
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 2: Was he was and he was great. I mean he was.

1123
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: I loved him and we talked a lot because you know,

1124
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: he was going through that time and like like, you know,

1125
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 2: get pigeonholed like I'm too good of an athlete to

1126
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: be a quarterback and no, no, I'll never I'm not

1127
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: looking at it that way. Yeah, I'm just looking at

1128
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: like you're like still one of the best receivers we got.

1129
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 2: And I said, I put you a quarterback. I'm depleting

1130
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 2: you of a really good receiver. That's you, I said,

1131
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: I said, So, I said, I got even get another

1132
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: receiver in here before I can start doing this. So

1133
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: you know, and we we tried after Edwards. We drafted

1134
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: Plex in two thousand and then, so it was, you know,

1135
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: just trying to build up that passing game because we

1136
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 2: became a kind of a running mentality, but there was

1137
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 2: only so far you could go with that, too.

1138
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 3: Coach, how good was Rod Woodson?

1139
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: D Rod Special he was, there's another guy that you

1140
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: just kind of let him do his thing, you know.

1141
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: He he would young things at times, and you know,

1142
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 2: and I just saw Darren Perry was a free safety

1143
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 2: there and I said, Darren, if Rod does one of

1144
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 2: these things, he do it. He do it like a

1145
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: tap on the side, which means he I think he

1146
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: would know if it was gonna be a hitch. I said,

1147
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: if he doesn't, means he's jumping it. And I said,

1148
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: you need to back him up. And so David Johnson's

1149
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: on the other side. I go, David, you so one

1150
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 2: time he goes, what if they both tap? I go,

1151
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 2: he go? I go what he goes? They both start.

1152
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: David Johnson wanted to do it too because he saw

1153
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,439
Speaker 2: Rod do it. I go, well, I'm gonna tell David

1154
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 2: you can't have both, because I said, what if they

1155
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: both do? I go just get deep, get really really deep.

1156
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: I just just back up on the snap. I says, yeah,

1157
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: so because I said, but but I want Rod to

1158
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 2: be ahead of the luxury being able to jump certain things.

1159
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: If he sees certain things and he sees a formation.

1160
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: And I used to go in there and try to

1161
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 2: like he'd be in there watching tape, Like like in Troy,

1162
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: those were two guys Like I'd go in there like

1163
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 2: sixth seven o'clock six thirty on a on a Tuesday

1164
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 2: or Wednesday morning, and they're in there watching tape. So

1165
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 2: I learned a little bit like what do you looking at?

1166
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: Like I want to hear, like what are you looking at?

1167
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: Splits like stances, formations, you know, and so you know

1168
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: if this foots back or this foots up, you know,

1169
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,959
Speaker 2: it's just like like just tell me what you're looking.

1170
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: So it's really really it was educational to me to

1171
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: to to get into the eyes of great players. What

1172
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 2: makes you like instincts come some way? What are you

1173
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: seeing that we're not what everybody else doesn't see.

1174
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 4: It's also like you're trying to learning too, though, like

1175
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 4: I'm giving you I was going to, I'm giving you

1176
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 4: the freedom, but like you sound like you help me

1177
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 4: help me out.

1178
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: Like what do I want to be able to see

1179
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 2: that too? And then if I can, if I can

1180
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: see it, then I can help the whole teambslutely, but

1181
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 2: like like what are you seeing like? And then sometimes

1182
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 2: it goes well it's just a feel I go don't

1183
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: don't miss that feel too often.

1184
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: Like, what did Rod Woodson ever like coaching him? Did

1185
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: you ever like learn something from coaching all these great

1186
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: So you see what.

1187
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: I'm saying, lot, I mean, he walked by me every

1188
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: now and he goes pressure, coach pressure, We can't cover

1189
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: this long. I go, okay, it's okay, Dick. Rod says,

1190
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 2: we need to blitz a little bit more because because

1191
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: it's too long to cover. But you know, he also

1192
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 2: is a guy that I'd go over him and he'd

1193
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: have one of those days, you know. As matter of fact,

1194
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 2: the fourth game we were three and oh my first

1195
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 2: three games, and the fourth game would go to Green

1196
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: Bay and they had benched Don mccous can put this

1197
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: young second year player and named Brett varv the start

1198
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 2: his first start in Green Bay, and Rod got beat

1199
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: on a double move twice, and then he tried to

1200
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 2: retire to punt and started looking and dropped the punt.

1201
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: So it's like one of those days where he just

1202
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: kept everything he kept trying to do to make up

1203
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 2: for it was backfiring on. Yeah, And I just remember

1204
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, just walking off the field,

1205
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: I say, Rod, it's just one of those days. Man.

1206
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 2: He says, you know, it's one of those days. I says,

1207
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 2: you know they're coming after you. You're going to get

1208
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 2: some double moves because you have a tendency to jump stuff.

1209
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: And I said, just just standing there with the punt,

1210
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: just see the I'm not going to tell you to

1211
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: catch it in front of you. I said, if you

1212
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: want to just see it over, just make sure you

1213
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: can see see it in your hands, over your hand,

1214
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 2: I go, I'm just make sure you see yourself catching.

1215
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: Quit looking Quit doing this and looking at I said,

1216
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 2: you can't. It's like the same guys are like you

1217
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 2: have to see the ball go into your hands.

1218
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: One thing first, I did, just.

1219
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 2: Catch see the ball go into your hands. I don't

1220
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 2: care if it's above your head. I don't care if

1221
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: it's down here whatever I said. And he okay, I said,

1222
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 2: but don't you stop being you. You're a special player.

1223
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 2: So it's just like sometimes you need they need a

1224
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: little bit of a patent. Oh yeah, absolutely, it's you know,

1225
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 2: it's like it's like, you know, because anyone starts to

1226
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 2: question themselves a little bit, you know, is it my age?

1227
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 2: I starting to get old? Why not see things away?

1228
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 2: I used to see things now. You're still the same player.

1229
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 3: That happened to me.

1230
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 4: Right two thousand and five, I was like in a

1231
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 4: three game slump and I'm just like and I was like,

1232
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 4: what am I doing?

1233
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 3: Am I?

1234
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 4: Am I not seeing coverage? Am I not watching the film?

1235
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 4: Am I not running enough? And I just I mean

1236
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 4: three weeks in a row, I gave up three touchdowns.

1237
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 4: This is what my second third year in the league.

1238
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 4: And I think, uh, my saving grace was Mike Brown

1239
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 4: safety Mike Brown. Mike Brown was like, hey, you're a playmaker, man,

1240
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 4: you know you're a great player. Like just you're in

1241
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 4: your head.

1242
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 3: You got to get out of your head.

1243
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 4: I didn't have a coach, it was and I think

1244
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 4: it meant more to me because it was it was

1245
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 4: a player, right, you know what I'm saying.

1246
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 3: It was my period letting me like, man, you're good enough,

1247
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 3: Like right, but you're right. It was just one of

1248
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 3: them days.

1249
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 4: And sometimes you need that pep talk from one of

1250
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 4: your guys.

1251
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it particularly in the back end of the defense.

1252
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 2: Man you got you know, you sit there and you

1253
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: are out in space. You know, you get offensive lineman.

1254
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 2: I know, you get beating everything else. But you have

1255
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 2: to go watch the film to see what happened. You

1256
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: can see what happened out there. I mean it's very clear,

1257
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 2: you know, you can see what happened. You jump something,

1258
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: you kind of you got stuck in a transitional place

1259
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 2: and the guy gets value and it's like, well, you

1260
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: miss a tackle or something. And I said, you know,

1261
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: but that's like, that's gonna happen everybody. That's gonna happen

1262
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 2: to everybody. The great ones are doing it right, and

1263
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 2: the great ones, the great ones come back. Yeah, and

1264
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: they said they kind of like, Okay, that's fine, you

1265
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 2: know what, that's fine. It's gonna happen again. And if

1266
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: it happens again, it won't happen after that. Yes, it's

1267
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: because it's gonna probably happen again too. Yeah.

1268
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 4: Short memory, yeah better, definitely got had a short memory.

1269
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 4: Definitely had a short memory. So in two thousand and

1270
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 4: six she stepped away from the game, and then you

1271
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 4: were super close coming back in twenty ten. What was

1272
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 4: the purpose of not actually stepping back in the game,

1273
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 4: because you said you were looking for the right opportunity.

1274
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 2: Well, I stepped down after two thousand and six. My

1275
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: wife was not in a great place. Turns out, she

1276
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: ended up passing away three years later. She had gotten

1277
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 2: cancer and she had early all timers, and so there

1278
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 2: are some things that I just felt like, we've been

1279
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: together since college, we had three daughters, and I thought,

1280
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 2: you know, I had to, you know, had the gig

1281
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: at CBS. I just felt like it was just time,

1282
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 2: and it was fifteen years and I wanted to be

1283
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 2: there for her. And I was so glad I did

1284
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 2: for those three years because it was very, very meaningful

1285
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 2: for me. She passed away. In twenty ten, I met

1286
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 2: my current wife and now we've been married for eleven

1287
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 2: years up in New York, and so I started listening

1288
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 2: to people, and people I got asked by a lot

1289
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: of people to come back. I was still fifty three

1290
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 2: years old, just out of the game for like four

1291
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:42,439
Speaker 2: or five years, and I mean I get asked even

1292
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: when I was out to come back. But the more

1293
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 2: I was out and the more I started doing the

1294
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: TV gig, it was challenging and I started just like

1295
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 2: like I wanted to get better at it. I go,

1296
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 2: you know, I got to be able to do a

1297
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 2: better job with my words. I got a Pittsburgh Accient'

1298
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: off sentences. Okay, I got I'm sounded like a yinser,

1299
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 2: and that doesn't resonate with people around the world, like

1300
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: like like what's he saying? What do you say again?

1301
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 2: And so I didn't like. And then I had this

1302
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 2: off season and I said, you know, I met my

1303
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: current wife and she came from She was in New York,

1304
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 2: born in New York. Then she had family in Switzerland,

1305
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 2: family in Israel. So I started doing his traveling and

1306
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: the off season, I said, man, there is an off

1307
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: season in his life after football, which I never even

1308
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 2: knew because I went right from playing the coaching and

1309
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: I did it. Like I just it was like twenty

1310
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 2: four to seven. I never traveled. I did any traveling

1311
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 2: was because we had a game in Tokyo or a

1312
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 2: game in Lanta and game in Mexico or you know whatever,

1313
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 2: and so in Ireland, and so I just and then

1314
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 2: she was like, I said, you know, and she said

1315
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 2: you can go back. I said, you know, I sat

1316
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: there with all my players so many times and just

1317
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: told them it just you don't need to. Don't don't

1318
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 2: finish your career anywhere. Stay with one team, be with

1319
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: one team. There's something special about being a one helmet

1320
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 2: or one one team person and I can't say that

1321
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 2: to them and then turned around and come back. I

1322
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: just could not imagine myself not being a Pittsburgh Steeler

1323
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 2: as a head coach. And you know, I know I

1324
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 2: played with Cleveland and talked to the Browns a lot

1325
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 2: and other teams as well, but it was I don't

1326
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 2: think I ever really, I never really came that close,

1327
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 2: to be quite honest with you. I mean, I mean

1328
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 2: a lot of people thought the Giants because I'm in

1329
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 2: New York, I said, you know, when you're coaching, you

1330
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 2: really don't have a social life, particularly then run the

1331
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 2: camera phone coming back out with all the transparency that

1332
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 2: was out there. I was that guy when I was coaching,

1333
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: Like I like to go have a beer on a

1334
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: Friday night or even after a game, I'd go have

1335
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: a beer somewhere. And I just I was like with

1336
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: my kids all the time, and you know, and I

1337
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 2: just I just I had I just felt like until

1338
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 2: like like at two thousand and five year we won

1339
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl. After that, it was never are the

1340
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: same because I feel like I couldn't go anywhere anywhere.

1341
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 2: I'd go into hotels, I didn't want to go down

1342
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 2: to the lobby. I said, I fel like a prisoner

1343
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: in my own life. And I don't like being this way.

1344
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: Because I had three daughters. I was on all his

1345
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: au trips. I'd stay in the same hotels they stay at,

1346
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 2: you know, and they go, is that is that the coach?

1347
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 2: I go, No, that's Megan's dad. They would and they

1348
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 2: wouln't evenlet they wouldn't even say it, and they would

1349
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: they would come around me and people would come up,

1350
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 2: they go, he's you can't see him. So her teammates

1351
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 2: would would protect me. And I was just like and

1352
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 2: it was like that little bubble I had in Pittsburgh

1353
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 2: that I came to New York and the aneminity I

1354
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 2: had in New York. I kind of like that down

1355
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 2: the street like hey hey, coach every now and then

1356
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 2: like like okay, but then people are so used to

1357
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 2: seeing people in New York, right, so it's just like

1358
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: I go, I love this city, Like this is great.

1359
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: So I've been there ever since, you know, I said,

1360
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 2: you go to Central Park every now and then you're

1361
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,479
Speaker 2: in somebody who speaks English, so this is this is great.

1362
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 3: I like that. I do too, we'll be right back

1363
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 3: after a quick break. Coach, I gotta be honest.

1364
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you know why I liked you

1365
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: so much as a Pittsburgh head coach because you look

1366
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: like you're from Pittsburgh.

1367
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 3: I mean, you got the chin, you got the look.

1368
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: You're just kind of angry on times on the sideline.

1369
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: This is like really what stood out to me as

1370
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: a young person. It was like, Coach Coward looks like

1371
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: like a head coach.

1372
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: You know, you know I used to you still come

1373
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 2: up to me and they would they would like lady

1374
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 2: old ladies in a grocery store, like we love it

1375
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 2: when you get mad like that, puched me on the

1376
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 2: cheek a little bit of buble. I think, thank you, man,

1377
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 2: I think I guess that's a good thing. I don't know.

1378
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 2: I go like then my wife says, you know they

1379
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 2: got you got it. You gotta quick getting mad and

1380
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 2: cussing on the sideline.

1381
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 3: So I'd be like, I'm just thrill you.

1382
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,919
Speaker 2: Vivid memories in my I'm just trying to Okay, they're

1383
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 2: probably coming to me right now. But man, after the

1384
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: after the next playing, I'm gonna I know where you're at.

1385
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 2: I mean, you're not going to talk.

1386
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 3: The this is big for me. Yes, that face. You

1387
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 3: already know that face. So have you ever had a

1388
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 3: break or you just get off.

1389
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: Seasons because you went straight from this to that and

1390
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: you've been doing TV ever since you.

1391
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this And I also I talked to

1392
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 2: a lot of talked to a lot of coaches and

1393
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 2: jams like around the league, and I'm just just as

1394
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 2: a person like to me the wisdom that I can

1395
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: share with others from what I learned. Yeah, and to

1396
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 2: be able to share that is really the legacy that

1397
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 2: you end up having. It's not what you've done accomplished,

1398
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 2: It's like the people you can talk to along the

1399
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 2: way and what would you have done? Like this is

1400
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 2: what I did like in my fourth and fifth year

1401
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 2: that I wish I would have done my first and

1402
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 2: second year, you know. And so and I love the

1403
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 2: game and I feel like having the platform just to

1404
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 2: keep the you know, the what the game is all about,

1405
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,439
Speaker 2: you know at times, if you know, if I feel

1406
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 2: like people are getting overlooked a coaching perspective, and I'm

1407
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 2: going to use my platform and call people out. Jump line.

1408
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 2: There's people that like pay your dues do it the

1409
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 2: proper way. You know, we all speculate on a lot

1410
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: of things that we talk about with players. And I said, man, like,

1411
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 2: there's a lot more to it than just what we see.

1412
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot more going on behind the scenes,

1413
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 2: and let's just be respectful of the fact that, like

1414
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 2: we don't know everything. Right, we can sit there and

1415
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 2: speculate on a lot of things, but that's just speculation

1416
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 2: because you know, there's applying a lot more to it

1417
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 2: than we even know. So it's hard for me to

1418
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 2: sit there and you know, oh, that's the receiver's fault.

1419
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 2: How do you notice the receiver's fault. Maybe the receiver

1420
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 2: is actually right and a quarterback might have been wrong,

1421
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 2: or the quarterback's fault, but maybe the receiver didn't go

1422
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 2: deep enough for I don't know what they called. I'm

1423
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 2: not sure exactly what the progression is for the read.

1424
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 2: And we all sit there with these guys at the planet. Oh,

1425
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 2: I know exactly what they did. Like there, you don't,

1426
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 2: like you're not in that meaning room, like we all

1427
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 2: think we think that's covered too. We think that he

1428
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 2: probably should be a little bit wider, deeper, like like

1429
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 2: like maybe you should stay with him, but I don't

1430
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 2: know what he's being told, Like I don't know what's

1431
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 2: being said, because we all can teach some of that.

1432
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 2: The game is the game is chess, it's not checkers.

1433
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 2: There's so many little interosyncrasies that we know, and everyone

1434
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 2: plays it a little bit differently, and you don't know

1435
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 2: what's being said in that room. And that's why a

1436
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 2: lot of these teams we look at the head coaches,

1437
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 2: but let's just look at the assistant coaches, because to me,

1438
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 2: those are more important. Like I coached coaches that I

1439
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 2: didn't coach the players as the head coach. I coached

1440
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 2: the coaches because I wanted them to be able to

1441
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 2: have that relationship with the player and not just me

1442
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 2: as a head coach. Like I'll intervene if I have

1443
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 2: to have an intervention, and I'm gonna tell coordinators like, Okay,

1444
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 2: we're not throwing the ball, we're gonna run it here,

1445
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 2: and we have to blitz more and I want to

1446
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 2: save the blitzer in the second half, so they have

1447
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 2: to make an adjustment there. So I was involved with

1448
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 2: the defensive side strategically and even offensively, you know. So

1449
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 2: I mean I just think a head coach should be

1450
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 2: on both sides of the ball. You to be the

1451
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 2: person that if there's intervention needed on both sides of

1452
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 2: the ball, you need to intervene. But let them do

1453
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 2: their thing. Yeah, let the coaches do. Let them call

1454
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 2: their names. That the coaches, coaches the individual players. You

1455
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 2: can see it from afar and you can coach the coaches.

1456
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 2: And so that to me is like and that's how

1457
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 2: you give them a chance to become a head coach.

1458
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 2: That's how I was brought up.

1459
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 3: See, But that's that's an old school mentality.

1460
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, because being around Ron Rivera and when I was

1461
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 4: we were blessed to being Carolina with him in twenty

1462
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 4: fifteen and every Saturday night he would let one of

1463
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 4: his assistant coaches take the whole room and he would

1464
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 4: give them twenty minutes. And it could be the assistant

1465
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 4: dB coach, the decoordinator, the defensive quality control coach, the

1466
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 4: guy on the lowest, the coach at the lowest totem pole,

1467
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 4: the lowest guy at the bottom. He ay, you got

1468
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 4: thirty minutes. Man, want to talk to the team. And

1469
01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 4: I remember I remember one one of the coaches. I'm

1470
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 4: why am I joy on a blank right now, but

1471
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 4: he would Uh. He was just I'm just like, dang, man,

1472
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 4: that's that's I've never seen a coach, a head coach

1473
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 4: give a young guy, a young twenty three, twenty twenty

1474
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 4: four year old, the whole room for the whole entire

1475
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 4: team and he gives them twenty minutes right before for

1476
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 4: a game. And I remember asking. I asked coach about that.

1477
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, I ain't never seen that, but

1478
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 4: I like, I like what you're doing. I like how

1479
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 4: you're given the young guys. He goes, well, Pina, you know,

1480
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 4: I believe in giving everyone an opportunity because my goal

1481
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 4: is a head coach, I want all these guys to

1482
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 4: be head coaches. That's that's my goal as a head coach.

1483
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 4: That's my job is to get them to be head coaches.

1484
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 4: And I just thought that was the coolest ever. I

1485
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 4: was like, man, I ain't never heard of it like that,

1486
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,919
Speaker 4: Like that's but to me, that's that was an old

1487
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 4: school mentality.

1488
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I did it a lot with players, Like

1489
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 2: the night before game, I would I would get like

1490
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 2: three guys that were veterans that just talk about where

1491
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 2: we are in the season, and you know what we

1492
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 2: have to do tomorrow and how important it is right

1493
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 2: now not to just take it for granted, you know.

1494
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 2: And just like you here, you're hearing me. Listen to

1495
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 2: your guys that are in the locker room, do you guys?

1496
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 2: I wanted you to take ownership in that locker room.

1497
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 2: I like, I want to be able to come to

1498
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 2: me if there's an issue that I can address it.

1499
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 2: I'm not going to call anybody out, but I can

1500
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 2: pull somebody in and say, listen, clearly, either you're staying

1501
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 2: not too late at night. I don't know what's going

1502
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 2: on with you at home, but you're not You're not

1503
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 2: in it, and it's very evident. And because players know,

1504
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 2: players know, that's like not like of course you're sitting

1505
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 2: next to them, like like so I said, tell me,

1506
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 2: so I can't address a problem I don't know exists,

1507
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 2: but if it exists, I'm not going to grab anybody out,

1508
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: but let me get on top of him, because I'm

1509
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 2: going to be like they know, I'll find out know,

1510
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna give them a chance to respond, give

1511
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 2: them a chance to know that Okay, okay, I'm not

1512
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 2: getting away with anything here. And because if you if

1513
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 2: they don't respond, then it's going to cost us at

1514
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 2: some point because it's not important to the person if

1515
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 2: I can just call him out a little bit on

1516
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 2: him and just say, listen, you need to clean it up,

1517
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 2: and it's evident, and most of the time guys will

1518
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 2: respond to that.

1519
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're stepping up to the challenge. Yeah, and

1520
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: that's what ultimately, that's what this game is all about.

1521
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 1: And the greatest ones always respond and you're not gonna

1522
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: don't want to let down the guy next year exactly.

1523
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 3: That's what being part of a team is. And same thing.

1524
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 3: That's probably why coach ron but.

1525
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: Was ready to share, share the lower everybody else because

1526
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: that's what he did. He grew up on a great

1527
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: team and with a whole bunch of personalities, and that's

1528
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 1: what he would.

1529
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 3: Talk to us about all the time. Coach, I want

1530
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 3: to know, how does it feel that.

1531
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,600
Speaker 1: Or is it weird when most people probably know you

1532
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: now because of TV and not because of your great career.

1533
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the power of the TV.

1534
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 2: It's real, it's real, it's yeah, you know, and it's

1535
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 2: just even coming here to the Hall of Fame, you know,

1536
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 2: you sit there and you know, you never think about

1537
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 2: your as being like a Hall of Fame guy, Like like, man,

1538
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 2: I'm in there with these players who I just sit

1539
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 2: there And last year I saw Dick Buckets the year before,

1540
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 2: like two years ago, and I'd like, Dick Buckets was

1541
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 2: something I never had a chance to talk to him,

1542
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 2: and he was my hero and he ended up passing

1543
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 2: away like last year, and I'm like, man, sitting there

1544
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 2: with guys, and I go to the table. I have

1545
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 2: a stew er table. Tomorrow Joe Green will be there

1546
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 2: and John Star will be there, Mel Blunt and I've

1547
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 2: got to know these guys. It's just the history of

1548
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 2: the game. It just means so much to me and

1549
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 2: the guys that the pioneers who've paved the way for us.

1550
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 2: It's so humbling and like I just like, you know,

1551
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 2: Warren asked me last year to get up and talk

1552
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 2: at the Nisky Luncheon and it's just gold Jacket guys.

1553
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 2: I couldn't do it. I just I didn't feel worthy.

1554
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 2: I just I bet Yet It's like I know that

1555
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 2: I probably am, and it'd probably be good because I

1556
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 2: do think that I probably share the same values most

1557
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 2: of the people in that room do because I came

1558
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 2: for where the game was. My first year in nineteen

1559
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 2: eighty was a cardiac kids of the Cleveland Browns and

1560
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 2: I was a substitute teacher in the off season. I

1561
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 2: made twenty thousand dollars and so it was like it

1562
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 2: was like you know, back in the day, like we

1563
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 2: had jobs in the off season and football was really great.

1564
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 2: It wasn't and today I know, but that's that's what

1565
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 2: I don't. I think we got to remember. I just

1566
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 2: remember that people played it because they loved the game.

1567
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 2: They love the game, the love of the game, and

1568
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 2: I just want to preserve that in whatever platform I have.

1569
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 2: What the game is all about, the core values that

1570
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 2: teaches you, the things that you can take away. It's

1571
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 2: not about the money. And I know the money's great

1572
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 2: and we all want to focus on that, but man,

1573
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 2: when you're working in sacrificing and putting a helmet on,

1574
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you were the best at

1575
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 2: what in college and you get to the pro and

1576
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now you're just one of a role.

1577
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 2: You have a role on the team that's life. Well,

1578
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 2: welcome to life, and all of a sudden you got

1579
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 2: to prove yourself at another level. Yeah, that's kind of

1580
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 2: like what happens to go in the business world. Until

1581
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 2: you prove yourself. You got to sit there and be

1582
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 2: a part and take your role. Excel at it, and

1583
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,759
Speaker 2: you'll get more responsibility. Excel at it. You'll find yourself

1584
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 2: maybe at the top, overseeing a lot of things. Right.

1585
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that, so true, so true. I can't

1586
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 3: believe you were a substitute teacher.

1587
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 2: Dude.

1588
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: Like the stories of former players selling insurance salesman car

1589
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: sellman washing was like, dude, I've been selling stuff since college.

1590
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 3: He was just what he did. He was like, I

1591
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 3: was a.

1592
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 1: Number one insurance salesman in Georgia in college. I'm like what, Yeah,

1593
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 1: off season real jobs Like this is crazy to me.

1594
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 3: It's fine, I mean, it's It's just.

1595
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: Like if we told young people now, like second rounders

1596
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 1: making thirteen million dollars in the contract blows my mind.

1597
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,759
Speaker 3: Blows my mind still, But you just said they would.

1598
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 3: They couldn't believe it.

1599
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: Even college players now, the money they made, the little

1600
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 1: bit of money that they're making, it's not little for everybody,

1601
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 1: but they be like, why would I get a job.

1602
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know.

1603
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 4: So now that you're on TV, I know you said, uh,

1604
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 4: you know, being in Pittsburgh, you were recognized everywhere. Yeah,

1605
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 4: and so you went to New York and have the

1606
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 4: amnemity and you can just kind of blend and gold

1607
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 4: places and you don't have the old ladies pinching your.

1608
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 3: Cheeks and all that other stuff.

1609
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 4: Right, So, now that you're on TV, I s everybody

1610
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 4: knows you're now coach.

1611
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 2: I know the places to go in the New York I

1612
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 2: have some.

1613
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 3: So you got some, you got some hot house, Okay.

1614
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what them it's for all the

1615
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 2: right things. Yeah, yeah, I think that's you know again,

1616
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 2: I get it's like being a steward of the game,

1617
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 2: you know at some point, and I take pride in

1618
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 2: it and don't take it for granted and don't expect

1619
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 2: anything more than just you know, just I love the game.

1620
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 2: I always have loved the game. Just everything that stands for,

1621
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 2: like you said, like the just the core values that

1622
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 2: that that that that you have to have. And it's

1623
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 2: so many analogies that are so similar to even running

1624
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 2: a business. So like I do speaking at times leadership,

1625
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 2: speaking and talking about just you know, starts from the

1626
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 2: top down. What leadership is all about, what it entails.

1627
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 2: And when you have transparency, you have you know, people

1628
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 2: coming together and you know, working together for common purpose

1629
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 2: and you know, just being able to delegate and also

1630
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 2: being whole people accountable. So it's like you know, you know, collaboration, transparency,

1631
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 2: that that's that's you have. That that's it starts.

1632
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 4: There has being in the TV space help you tap

1633
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 4: into parts of yourself that you couldn't do as a

1634
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 4: as a coach.

1635
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 2: You know what I love about TV. It's live. And

1636
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 2: you know, there's something about live TV kind of like

1637
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 2: a game, like like you can't screw up, like like

1638
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 2: like you know, it's like it's live. You know, you

1639
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 2: have a Sunday afternoon, you get butterflies right before you

1640
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 2: go out there because it's game time and everything's out there.

1641
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 2: I get butterflies now before every show. So I said, you,

1642
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 2: when you lose that, then then it's not important to you.

1643
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 2: So I prep, I prep, I watch tape. I'm not

1644
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 2: gonna say something about a player that I didn't. You

1645
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 2: may not see the same way I do, but I

1646
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 2: I I this is the way I saw you know, so,

1647
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 2: but I saw it I'm not gonna listen to what

1648
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 2: somebody else said. I'm gonna see it out with my

1649
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 2: own eyes. And if I don't know it it's something

1650
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 2: to be factual, then like I'm not gonna, you know,

1651
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 2: say something, but you know then you you know, get

1652
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 2: on the show and like we have a great show.

1653
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 2: It's we're kind of like it's now it's nay Burn listen,

1654
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 2: JB and Matt Ryan and myself and like we're getting

1655
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 2: ready to gear up for another season. There's only four

1656
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 2: of us now on it set instead of five. J

1657
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 2: J and Whitt went into the booth and we're talking

1658
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 2: now by trying to make the show more of a

1659
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 2: where we can sit back and talk and have banter,

1660
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 2: not just everyone have an opinion, you know, like boom boom,

1661
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 2: boom boom. That's that's that's take one. You know, banter,

1662
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 2: Banter is great TV. Banter has got to be something,

1663
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 2: which means we got to have less meetings and less

1664
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 2: just talk about what the subject may be. We can

1665
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 2: talk to the producer, but let's not talk to each other.

1666
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,799
Speaker 2: Like that's that's like, that's that's that's come together every Sunday,

1667
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 2: sit on that couch every Sunday. That's talk football. That's

1668
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 2: that's that's what that's what we're gonna do.

1669
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 3: Well, because you guys, let me.

1670
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 4: I want to know what was your welcome to the

1671
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 4: I'm on live TV. What was that moment like for you?

1672
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 4: If you've had one live tea I had, I'm not.

1673
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 2: Gonna call him ott, but I had someone we were

1674
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 2: in a production meeting and so everyone had this point,

1675
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 2: and so I had a point and my first year

1676
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 2: and so it going down the line, and right before

1677
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 2: it got to me, the point that I made the

1678
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 2: production meeting was made by the person next. Wow, you've

1679
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 2: took you know, I'm like, okay, okay, whoa, I go okay,

1680
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 2: I see how it works around here.

1681
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 3: Don't say aline to production media lets and learned okay, rook,

1682
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 3: all right, rook.

1683
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 2: I guess I shared way.

1684
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 4: Too much so when you were supposed to share it,

1685
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 4: and that other person took it, and then it came

1686
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 4: time to.

1687
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 2: You what I like, you know, that's a good point

1688
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:28,719
Speaker 2: at this point. But that was a really good point

1689
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 2: you made.

1690
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 3: You know.

1691
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: I that has happened to me on TV before live Charles, No, no, no.

1692
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 3: Not peanut. But I work on another show.

1693
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 1: And when that does happen, you do panic. Let's not

1694
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: get it twisted. So what did you do when it

1695
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 1: happened to you? Well, that's why I go first first

1696
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: year though, first year live?

1697
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 4: Like what first year? Not like now because I feel

1698
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 4: like you got some miles on you. You're a little

1699
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 4: bit more experienced. But like that that first time live

1700
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 4: maybe not even SEC network, but like just first time

1701
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 4: live TV.

1702
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 3: I took your spot.

1703
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 1: Go dude, I was in full blown panic mode because

1704
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: that was during COVID too. When I first got it,

1705
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 1: I wasn't even around anybody. It's just me looking into

1706
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: a camera, trying to act like somebody just didn't think

1707
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: what I was saying, or to say what I just

1708
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: was thinking in the earlier conversation.

1709
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:22,640
Speaker 3: So that was that was very hard for me.

1710
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: But you also learn if you ever go back and

1711
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: watch yourself, they don't know.

1712
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 2: No, no, they don't you know you know.

1713
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 3: But they never know.

1714
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 2: You know.

1715
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, So even when you pan it, if you just

1716
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: start talking about something, you know what I mean, like

1717
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 1: and get.

1718
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 3: It back to somebody else because on.

1719
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 1: The other side of the camera, they never know, they

1720
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: never know that we messed up that to me. That's

1721
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: what I love about live TV is that you don't

1722
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen, like something happening and it's

1723
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: really funny. And next you know, we're supposed to talk

1724
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 1: about text day now, but we're not.

1725
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 3: I don't even care about text.

1726
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 2: So the year I had, for fifteen years, I had

1727
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 2: always had to do a Tuesday press conference. In a

1728
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 2: press conference, when you do a Tuesday press conference is

1729
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,759
Speaker 2: it's always okay, So you give he starts at twelve

1730
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 2: and it goes to about like twelve forty, so you

1731
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 2: have like forty minutes. Well the first ten minutes like

1732
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 2: you're giving an injury report and you're going to talk

1733
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 2: about the opponent, and then you open up for questions.

1734
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,759
Speaker 2: So when I ask a question, if you just answer,

1735
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 2: not even the question, but just you know what the

1736
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 2: narratives you aren't trying to put out there, and like

1737
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 2: when it's gotten done and you said, don't I answer

1738
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 2: that question, are going like no, we thank you for

1739
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 2: what you just said, Like okay, So like I don't

1740
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 2: even care what you're gonna ask me.

1741
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 3: I know what I'm going to say that part.

1742
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 2: I have a probably of like two or three nuggets

1743
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 2: that I want to get out there because sometimes it's

1744
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 2: the message I want to give my team. Yeah, like

1745
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 2: you know, like I know, we've won three in a row,

1746
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 2: but if we continue to play the way we're playing

1747
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 2: on offense right now, we could lose four in a row.

1748
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 2: And I said, defensively, we've been lucky. You don't realize that,

1749
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 2: you don't see it, but we've missed a lot of

1750
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 2: the defensive assignments right now. We just been fortunate that

1751
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 2: the offense has not been able to capitalize on that.

1752
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 2: So we're really not even playing very good on defense either.

1753
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to make sure our team understood

1754
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 2: we're three and oh And I just said we're terrible

1755
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 2: on offense and we're not very good on defense, but

1756
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 2: we're three and oh. So just just to make sure

1757
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,719
Speaker 2: that you don't get caught up and just like being

1758
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 2: taking yourself too seriously, Yep, don't beat yourself up when

1759
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 2: it's bad, because I probably praise you and say, well,

1760
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 2: you know, we may have legs of this game, but

1761
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 2: we're really close to being a good winning team. It's

1762
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 2: like a seesaw. When you're up, I'm gonna bring you down.

1763
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 2: And when you're done, I'm gonna bring you up. So

1764
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 2: my job was to keep that Seesaw even keel with

1765
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 2: the emotional element of the game so good.

1766
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 3: That's like a real spoken head coach.

1767
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: That's I wish more aau parents heard that could could

1768
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 1: channel the Seesaw efect all right.

1769
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 3: When they're now, there's no reason to kick them. You know.

1770
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 3: I would hear that from Nick Saban all the time.

1771
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: He's like, the biggest problem with fans is that you know,

1772
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: they feel bad. He's like, you don't feel any worse

1773
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: than the players. The players feel way worse because of

1774
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: everything they put into So when they're down or when

1775
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 1: you're down, trust me, they're even worse. And so that's

1776
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 1: when he would come in and love on them. And

1777
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 1: when you're high, you're like, nah, you got to knock

1778
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 1: him back down. Got a humble all the time, and

1779
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 1: so it's just a really cool thing. And then when

1780
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:32,560
Speaker 1: you're on Just Live TV, dude, it's it is hilarious

1781
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 1: because of the mistakes that happen and the things when

1782
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: things go out of order, or sometimes somebody says I'm hilarious.

1783
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 3: Or you forget what you were going to talk about.

1784
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: You know, I got three order of three and I

1785
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 1: can't remember two of them.

1786
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 3: And the person in your try to and you just

1787
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 3: give this just during.

1788
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 4: Headlights to the person talking in the was the RFV.

1789
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 4: Just don't stay there's someone talking, would you say online?

1790
01:20:58,200 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 3: Don't be no, But.

1791
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 1: You give the deer in headlights look like and they're like, hey,

1792
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 1: you're supposed to. Like okay, y'all got it, And so

1793
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure that happens, dude, that.

1794
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 4: I don't do what I I did a live hit

1795
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 4: one time when I was with Fox and I somehow

1796
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 4: zoned out thinking about something and I don't know where

1797
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 4: my eighty eighth kicked in and I was like looking

1798
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 4: at something.

1799
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, what do you think, Charles?

1800
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 4: And I was like, huh oh yeah, the Denver Steelers

1801
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 4: and the Oakland Bears.

1802
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's gonna be a good game. And

1803
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 3: in my mind, I was like I messed up. I

1804
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 3: totally messed up, messing up. And then after we were done,

1805
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 3: straight hand was like, bro, what happened?

1806
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 4: I was like, Pani, I don't know what to say, pan,

1807
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 4: and he was like, man, look next time, take a

1808
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 4: deep breath.

1809
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 3: Yes, make fun of yourself. People love it when you

1810
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 3: make fun of yourself.

1811
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 4: He's like, I mess up all the time, Terry brash

1812
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 4: Shaw messing up all the time. We just make fun

1813
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 4: of ourselves.

1814
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 3: They love it. You should have said, don't do what

1815
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 3: you just did, though, don't ever do that. You should

1816
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:06,680
Speaker 3: have just said, I forgot what I was going.

1817
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 1: To say, and they love that. Yeah, you know, I

1818
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 1: forgot what I was about to say. And then somebody

1819
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 1: get your air help. So yes, that's what I told.

1820
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 1: That was my welcome to a live TV moment. It

1821
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 1: was terrible.

1822
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:21,679
Speaker 2: This is my nineteenth year.

1823
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 3: Oh wow, nineteen blown by. It has gone by fast.

1824
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 3: We'll be back in a minute. Coach, what is it?

1825
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 2: You know?

1826
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 1: We had Nate bur listen on here and he's been

1827
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 1: inspiring to a lot of people, former players that have

1828
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 1: gotten into the TV. And now he's doing the morning

1829
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 1: show he as is with you guys, And what's it

1830
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 1: been like working with him?

1831
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,679
Speaker 2: Nate's been great. So I remember Nate from Thursday Night Football,

1832
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 2: So Thursday Night Football we first started it. It was me,

1833
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 2: Dion and James Brown, so we.

1834
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,679
Speaker 3: Did all the first two around. Made it awesome.

1835
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 2: JB. I've been the CBS nineteen years. JB. He's been

1836
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 2: there for twenty years, so we've been I've been got

1837
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 2: with JB for like nineteen years and JB is the best. Yes,

1838
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 2: And we did with Dion and and Nate was with

1839
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 2: NFL Network at the time, so I got to know

1840
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 2: him a little bit there. And then you know, they

1841
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 2: went through a number of people. You know, Shannon stepped on,

1842
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 2: Bart Scott stepped in, and then Boomer was there for

1843
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 2: a while, and now Matt stepped in, and then Phil

1844
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:29,640
Speaker 2: sim stepped in for Dan Mareno, he was there for

1845
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,719
Speaker 2: a while. So so it was it's been a bunch

1846
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 2: of guys that have been there, and but Nate is

1847
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 2: Nate is great, and you know he is he brings

1848
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 2: us really special energy about him and he's got you know,

1849
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:45,759
Speaker 2: he's got so many things going on with the news.

1850
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 2: He's doing that. Yeah, and but I I I love

1851
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 2: Nate so much, respectful him. His kids are now both

1852
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 2: at Nevada Areno and kind of where he went to

1853
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 2: school and and his wife met there. So he's he's

1854
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 2: in a great place. He's a good guy. Just he's

1855
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 2: you know, got a great family and you know he's

1856
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 2: it's just it's just fun to come in there every

1857
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 2: Sunday with these guys and to work with these guys,

1858
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a joy.

1859
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 4: This is something that we ask a lot of our

1860
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:18,719
Speaker 4: our guests on them on the podcast Very Successful Career,

1861
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 4: uh TV Broadcasting Player Coaching. If you could pick four

1862
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 4: people on Mount Rushmore who have helped you and shaped

1863
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 4: you and mold you into being the man that you

1864
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 4: are today, who would those four people be?

1865
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 2: My father, Marty Schottenheimer.

1866
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 3: Why Why your dad? Why? Pops?

1867
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 2: My dad? My dad was tough, but it was fair,

1868
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 2: pushed me, challenge me, big, was always supportive. He put

1869
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 2: me on a bunch of different camps, and he was

1870
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 2: always there. He was always there and I never wanted

1871
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 2: to disappoint him or make a mad so he if

1872
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 2: I was going down a bad path, I always used

1873
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 2: to think about man my dad found out he's it's

1874
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 2: not going to be good. So him. Marty Schottenheimer, he

1875
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 2: coached me, give me the chances as a as a

1876
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 2: coach to get into be an assistant coach. He didn't

1877
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 2: have to. I had no coaching experience whatsoever. He saw

1878
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 2: something to me that I didn't even see, and he

1879
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 2: just was He was a mentor big time. To me,

1880
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 2: it's you only when I ever coached under as a

1881
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 2: defensive back coach, as a special teams coach, as a coordinator.

1882
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 2: Dan Rooney going here thirty four years old, a young buck,

1883
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 2: and after my fifteen years, I left there a better

1884
01:25:49,880 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 2: person as a father, as as a leader. And it's

1885
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 2: probably not a person but the players of football that

1886
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 2: I've been around, because they have challenged me. I've looked

1887
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 2: up to it. I've watched the great ones have meltdowns.

1888
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 2: I've watched the underdogs who are free agents make the team.

1889
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 2: I've watched them become young, become from players to fathers,

1890
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 2: watching guys, being with the guys for ten years and

1891
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 2: watching them come in there as young rookies with free

1892
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 2: time and not married and all of a sudden having

1893
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 2: three kids and being mature and being a leader. Yeah,

1894
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 2: and just my boys at work, my boys at work

1895
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 2: because I had three daughters, and my boys at work

1896
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 2: like the I I love pushing them. I wonder if

1897
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 2: I always used to wonder, what would I be that

1898
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,640
Speaker 2: way as a father, Because I wanted to make them uncomfortable,

1899
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 2: but I also wanted to love them, and I also

1900
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 2: wanted up, be there and when they had their time

1901
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 2: to know that. I pushed you to be as good

1902
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 2: as you could be because I made you tougher, I

1903
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:08,719
Speaker 2: made you resilient, I made you to be Take everything

1904
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 2: you did and look where it's gotten you. And at

1905
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 2: the same time, it's what you do. It's not who

1906
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 2: you are when you walk across those lines. Turn it

1907
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 2: on when you walk off that line. Have some humility

1908
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 2: about you. It's not who you are, it's just what

1909
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 2: you do. No one should know who you are. I

1910
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 2: was a soft father. I was a tough coach, but

1911
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 2: be able to have that ability to be able to

1912
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 2: do something on that field and that platform that made

1913
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 2: you special, and when you came off of it, have

1914
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:45,600
Speaker 2: the humility, have the respect, have the leadership, and be

1915
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 2: able to share that commitment, that passion, that ability to

1916
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 2: make the sacrifice is to commit yourself to being very

1917
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 2: good at a craft or whatever that may be, and

1918
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Speaker 2: share that and have that balance in life where you

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Speaker 2: have compassion and you have passion. You know compassion and passion,

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Speaker 2: you know compassion for the people you're around, and passion

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Speaker 2: for whatever you're doing. And to me, I got that

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Speaker 2: with football. I got that in that locker room. I

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Speaker 2: get that today, still being able to do these broadcasts

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Speaker 2: and talking to two guys that I respected tremendously and

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Speaker 2: watch you both play and to this day, just to

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Speaker 2: see where you are right now in your forties, and

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Speaker 2: it's just it's like I said, we can talk for

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Speaker 2: another three hours if you want, But I said, because

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Speaker 2: I just have so much respect for you guys have

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Speaker 2: made the next transition and whatever we can do to

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Speaker 2: help others as I leave here and go into this

1932
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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame thing. They're great players on the field.

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Speaker 2: How you doing now? How you doing now? What can

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Speaker 2: we do to help you become a better person?

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Speaker 4: No, I like that, but just I'm in my forties.

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Speaker 4: He's like, fifty something. I'm just fifty something. Sounded great.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't. I couldn't help it. Clear I couldn't help, Lily,

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Speaker 3: that was it was so great, it was so good.

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Speaker 3: You couldn't.

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Speaker 4: But as soon as he said it for I was like,

1941
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Speaker 4: you fifty something, I couldn't help.

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Speaker 3: But I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: I'm clearly I'm doing We're gonna stop, we will stop

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Speaker 4: talking about your age.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just he set it up. Sorry, it's his

1946
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Speaker 1: ball mine, it's his fall now mine. Coach man, thank you.

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Speaker 1: You are everything that I thought you were and more

1948
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Speaker 1: growing up watching you roll the sidelines when I was

1949
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Speaker 1: in Prattville, Alabama, watching TV and loving the NFL game

1950
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Speaker 1: uh and being a big Pittsburgh Steelers fan growing up

1951
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Speaker 1: and uh and man, this is really really cool and

1952
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Speaker 1: I'm taking those nuggets with me. I want to be

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Speaker 1: more compassionate as a father, as a husband, but never

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Speaker 1: lose my passion that the game instilled in me and

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Speaker 1: knowing what it is when we go in between the

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Speaker 1: white lines, the person we got to be. And you

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Speaker 1: know that's when I'm at work, when I do anything athletic,

1958
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Speaker 1: or when I'm in this coaching room with my kids

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Speaker 1: or around the game. I'll never lose my passion. And

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Speaker 1: you just let me know it's okay, because I have

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Speaker 1: to have both sides of it and have the compassion

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Speaker 1: when I'm out of it to be able to love

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Speaker 1: on them, to be a soft dad, but a tough

1964
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Speaker 1: coach and a tough father too when I need to be.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I just want you to know that's

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Speaker 1: the one thing that I missed the moch about any

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Speaker 1: locker room or when I get around you guys, it

1968
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Speaker 1: really just puts me in my back in my place,

1969
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Speaker 1: including up and others, that it's okay. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think enough of us get to hear that from each

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Speaker 1: other that we got to hear all the time, and

1972
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Speaker 1: we come in in that locker room that what I'm

1973
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Speaker 1: going through When you're arguing at home or the rough

1974
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Speaker 1: times that you have, sometimes it's okay because you're not

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Speaker 1: the only one, and all we do is help lean

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Speaker 1: on each other and show each other how to do

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Speaker 1: it just a little bit better. And so I appreciate

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Speaker 1: that for you being you and sharing your story and

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Speaker 1: really your your passion for what you do. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: it hasn't changed. And I appreciate the mug, the everything

1981
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Speaker 1: that you exactly who memories in my life though that.

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Speaker 2: I watched that.

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Speaker 4: I just want to say, when you were talking earlier,

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Speaker 4: you were talking about special teams, like you have that

1985
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Speaker 4: innate ability to just command attention, you know, And as

1986
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Speaker 4: you were talking, I was just like getting fired up,

1987
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Speaker 4: like I feel like playing I can hit somebody right now.

1988
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Speaker 4: You just you have that ability, and that is ah,

1989
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Speaker 4: it's special, it's special. It's a special ability that you

1990
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Speaker 4: can walk into a room and you don't have to yield,

1991
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Speaker 4: you don't have to say hey, everyone, listen up. It's

1992
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Speaker 4: it's just that you're a very subtle, general, self spoken

1993
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Speaker 4: man who who has this presence this area about himself.

1994
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Speaker 4: And thank you. I see that. I respect that, I

1995
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Speaker 4: see it giving you your flowers.

1996
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Speaker 3: Everything that room.

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Speaker 4: Said plus what I said, I can't thank you enough

1998
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Speaker 4: for coming to this podcast and this was truly truly

1999
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Speaker 4: a treat.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you, guys. Honestly, I thank you for what

2001
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Speaker 2: you're doing and bringing awareness out there to everybody about

2002
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:32,839
Speaker 2: continuing to grow and have growth in your own personal

2003
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Speaker 2: life and what you're doing. And that's okay to to

2004
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 2: to pivot in life at times and try something new

2005
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Speaker 2: and you know, and have a passion for it and

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Speaker 2: just con always have a backup plan, right yeah, So

2007
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Speaker 2: I said, you know, it's like we always have a bout,

2008
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:51,760
Speaker 2: have a backup plan in football if somebody goes down,

2009
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:55,680
Speaker 2: have a backup plan in life. Absolutely. It's kind of

2010
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 2: like one of the things to me is and surround

2011
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Speaker 2: yourself with good people. And like I said, like I

2012
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Speaker 2: consider and talk to you guys because it's where you

2013
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:07,639
Speaker 2: guys are clearly in a good space because you we're

2014
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Speaker 2: talking about it r you know, and we're we're we're

2015
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Speaker 2: kind of enjoying talking about and I suppose it somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes if you're not a good place, you could start

2017
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 2: to take it a little personal and it might get

2018
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 2: a little sensitive and you're not as comfortable to talk

2019
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 2: about tough subjects, which is mental health. It's about all

2020
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Speaker 2: those things that we need to make sure that we're

2021
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Speaker 2: always there for other people. For great leaders are great listeners,

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Speaker 2: and so I've always enjoyed listening to you guys.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that, and I'm definitely gonna I might have

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01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 1: to use that Christopher Columbus. Yeah, with the one of

2025
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Speaker 1: these AAU teams them going.

2026
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Speaker 2: They said, tell me there's something we can't do. We

2027
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Speaker 2: didn't even get seated in this tournament. We end up

2028
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:52,520
Speaker 2: doing playing playing can't win championships.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 1: Hey, look when my Super Bowl team Nobody had lost

2031
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Speaker 1: three games going into the playoffs and still won the

2032
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. That's all I had to do is tell

2033
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Speaker 1: us you couldn't do it. Next, you know, there we go.

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Speaker 1: Man appreciated coach man, for all of our listeners and

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Speaker 1: viewers out there, wherever.

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Speaker 3: You pick up your podcast, Man, this is a.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful, spectacular, amazing, spectacular job. Wherever you pick up your podcast,

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Speaker 1: where this Apple podcast.

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Speaker 3: iHeartRadio app Man.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you hit like, subscribe, leave a couple of comments,

2041
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Speaker 1: make sure you check us out on the NFL pages

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Peanut. Man, I don't even want you to

2043
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:36,840
Speaker 1: get us up out here, but I know we gotta go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I'm basically all I'm saying is on Peanut

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Speaker 4: that's Roman as coach and this is the NFL Player's

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Speaker 4: Second Acts podcast and we out cut