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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Mommy begs for help, begging the public to help find

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Speaker 2: her missing little boy, Jaden. Now he's found in a

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Speaker 2: shallow grave and Mommy is suspect number one. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us.

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Speaker 3: Ten year old Jaden Speiser goes missing in the dead

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Speaker 3: of night. No witnesses, no streams, just a child gone

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Speaker 3: without a sound.

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Speaker 2: First of all, who exactly is mommy? Say that from

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Speaker 2: our new friend Ariel Hicks' his YouTube, and I would

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Speaker 2: like to see mommy at her finest again.

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Speaker 4: Let's just roll that beautiful footage.

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Speaker 5: Don't you ever say?

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Speaker 6: Just away always? Okay?

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Speaker 2: That is from our new friend Ariel Hicks YouTube. Can

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Speaker 2: we get back to the missing child? Just ten years old?

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Speaker 2: The world on its ear looking for Jaden, and this

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Speaker 6: Listen, a ten year.

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Speaker 7: Old boy is missing and the Kentucky State Police is

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Speaker 7: asking for help to find him. Jaden Spicer was last

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Speaker 7: seen Tuesday night at nine pm. What you went to

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Speaker 7: bed and reported missing the next morning around nine to

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Speaker 7: twenty three am in the Panball Branch Road area. Trooper's

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Speaker 7: and local surgeon rescue teams are asking the public for help.

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Speaker 7: Jayden's five feet one inch tall, blonde hair, blue eyes,

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Speaker 7: slim build, glassing wearing a blue Sonic the Hedgehog, but

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Speaker 2: When I think about my twins at age ten, so sweet,

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Speaker 2: so innocent, just scrubbed in sunshine. What a wild goose chase,

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Speaker 2: the pain so many people endured looking for this sweet

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Speaker 2: little boy, joining me an all star panel as suddenly

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Speaker 2: the Kentucky State Police do an about face, a U turn,

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Speaker 2: coming to a screeching halt when they find this child's.

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Speaker 1: Body buried in a shallow grave.

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Speaker 2: Joining me first to Trooper Matt Gayheart with Kentucky State Police.

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Speaker 6: The KSP worked this.

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Speaker 2: Like dogs, using every possible means of detection. Trooper, I

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Speaker 2: know you've covered a lot of missing children cases, and

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Speaker 2: you have worked them tirelessly. When you find a child

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Speaker 2: obviously killed in a shallow grave, not a child that

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Speaker 2: gets lost in the forest, not a child that falls

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Speaker 2: in the pool by accident or drowns in a river,

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Speaker 2: all an accident been buried in a shallow grave. That

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Speaker 2: has gotten to be excruciating. After all, the hundreds of

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Speaker 2: man hours you guys put into finding this child.

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Speaker 8: That's tract. You know, anytime you have a miss a child,

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Speaker 8: you go into it with the most hope that you're

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Speaker 8: going to retrieve that child and ring home safely. And

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Speaker 8: to have an end like this is just absolutely tragic.

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Speaker 2: You're seeing shots of ten year old Jaden now, and

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Speaker 2: the internet is saturated with it because seemingly the world

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Speaker 2: joined in in the search for this little boy. This

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Speaker 2: as mommy begs for help the whole time she knew

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Speaker 2: where her child was.

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Speaker 6: Listen.

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Speaker 5: Jaden's mother, Felicia Gross, is too anxious to speak with

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Speaker 5: the media and ask police to share a letter instead.

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Speaker 5: She writes, we love Jaden and we want him.

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Speaker 6: Safe at home.

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Speaker 5: Please, if anyone sees my son Jaden Speicer, please report

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Speaker 5: it to the Jackson Police Department.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: We love him very much. Please do the right thing,

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Speaker 5: call the police. Please Pray for us and my son Jayden.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Okay, sometimes even now I'm spaceless.

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Speaker 2: And the whole time Mommy, according to police, had just

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Speaker 2: You know, Tripper Matt and Gayheart. Did anyone get suspicious

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Speaker 2: when mommy would not give a police a public plea

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Speaker 8: You know what, as we were searching, you know, the

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Speaker 2: Let me see the letter, please, I want to see

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Speaker 2: the letter that mommy put up.

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Speaker 6: This is a letter mommy.

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Speaker 2: Refused to speak publicly and issue a plea for help.

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Speaker 2: This is the letter she had police read to Sydney

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Speaker 2: Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter.

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Speaker 6: What exactly happened right there?

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Speaker 5: The media was contacting miss Felicia Gross, wanting her to

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Speaker 5: come out and speak with them about her missing son Jaden,

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Speaker 6: She couldn't bring herself.

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Speaker 5: To be on TV because she had too much of

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Speaker 5: a guilty conscience. Because we know she wasn't camera shy.

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Speaker 5: We watched the other video. She clearly is pretty confident

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Speaker 5: knowing that she falsely reported her son missing and had

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Speaker 5: people looking for him, she wasn't looking for him herself.

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Speaker 5: And we know that Jaden has siblings, but Miss Selicia

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Speaker 5: Gross wasn't out there looking.

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Speaker 6: For her own child.

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Speaker 5: So I think that's why she may have been a

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Speaker 6: Okay, you know what, I didn't know that. That's a

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Speaker 2: Trouper Matt Gayheart joining us helping to lead an exhaustive search.

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Speaker 6: For this child? Is that true?

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Speaker 2: Is that true that not only does she not speak

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Speaker 2: publicly asking people to help find her child or encouraging

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Speaker 2: all of the volunteers out there, she also did not

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Speaker 8: In themediate area at all.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Ben Powers yet ready?

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Speaker 6: I hope you're ready for round one.

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Speaker 2: Powers veteran criminal defense attorney and you can find him

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Speaker 2: at legalpowers dot com. Ben, you know what, you need

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Speaker 2: to go ahead and finish that first book about how

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Speaker 2: not to behave when you've done something horrible and one

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Speaker 2: of those it reminds me of Scott Peterson.

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Speaker 6: Uh, that's like eating a dirt.

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Speaker 2: Sandwich, who wouldn't make a public plea for his wife's return,

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Speaker 2: and who also wouldn't go search for her? I mean

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Speaker 2: rule number one, at least pretend to search, at least pretend.

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Speaker 9: Well, so Nancy is a stressful situation, and you don't

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Speaker 9: know how you're going to react in.

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Speaker 10: That type of situation.

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Speaker 9: And so to read into all these things that, oh,

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Speaker 9: this must mean that because she acted this way, or

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Speaker 9: it must mean this one specific thing because she did

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Speaker 9: it do a certain thing. I mean, that's a lot

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Speaker 9: of speculation, and that's a very specific conclusion that you're

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Speaker 9: trying to reach on nothing other than your own opinion.

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Speaker 10: For the conclusion you already want.

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Speaker 2: To go to second verse, same as the first. So

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Speaker 2: do you have children? Are you blessed enough to have children?

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Speaker 6: Ben Powers? I do, okay?

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Speaker 2: And are you actually telling me if your child went missing,

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Speaker 2: you would sit on your can watching ESPN while other

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Speaker 2: people are out looking for your child.

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Speaker 6: Is that what you're trying to say?

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Speaker 10: I would think that I would go out.

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Speaker 9: But what I would say also is I've seen a

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Speaker 9: lot of different cases with a lot of different stressful, shocking,

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Speaker 9: panic situations, and you never know how someone's going to react.

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Speaker 9: Sometimes they react the way you expect, sometimes they don't

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Speaker 9: but you can't read into that a very specific conclusion

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Speaker 9: either way. It's just human nature is you never know

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Speaker 9: how you're going to react to stressful situations, to shocking situations.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I can't read anything into her reaction other

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Speaker 9: than that's how she reacted. And you can't say how

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Speaker 9: what the right reaction is or what the wrong reaction is.

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Speaker 10: The reaction is just the react right, and there's not

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Speaker 10: much w to it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Ben Powers, you save that for a jury, Okay,

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Speaker 2: because that's where this is headed right now. After begging

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Speaker 2: the public, begging the public in a written plea to

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Speaker 2: help find her child, hundreds of volunteers out there, the

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Speaker 2: Kentucky State Police sweating bullets trying to find this child.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a look. Oh there's the letter. Please show me,

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Speaker 2: show me Jaden, Wait till you hear what she now

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Speaker 2: says happened to her little boy. And to doctor Sue

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Speaker 2: Cornblue joining us family expert, owner of doctor Sue and

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Speaker 2: You and author of Building Self Esteem and Children and

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Speaker 2: Teens Adopted or Fostered. And you can find her at

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Speaker 2: doctor Sue and You dot com. Amazing site. By the way,

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Speaker 2: doctor Sue, thank you for being with us. I'm just

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Speaker 2: a trial lawyer. I'm just a JD. You are the

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Speaker 2: veteran shrink. So maybe this is wrong to project, but

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Speaker 2: don't you know every juror that may end up hearing

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Speaker 2: this case is going to do the same thing. I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't sit on my rear end watching HGTV while one

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Speaker 6: God only knows where.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, And I can project a memory when

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Speaker 2: like star quarterback and started running through this big warehouse, screaming,

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Speaker 2: Little did I know he was playing a game with

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Speaker 2: I ran the other way right. I ran toward the door,

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Speaker 11: I absolutely do, Nancy, And what you said is a

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Speaker 11: normal reaction to how a mother would feel if her

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Speaker 6: Missed him and wanted everybody.

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Speaker 11: To go search for him. So with that in mind,

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Speaker 11: maybe the jewry will actually think she had some remorners.

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Speaker 2: amongst your people, super Gayheart when it was discovered that Jaden.

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Speaker 2: I haven't really let myself think about it because as

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Speaker 2: and the thought of one of my children being in

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Speaker 2: a shallow grave is just too much. But I'm wondering

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Speaker 2: about the troopers and the volunteers that find him, that

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Speaker 2: find his little body. It had to be like a

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Speaker 2: gut punch, a kicked to the teeth after all you

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Speaker 6: What was the reaction amongst the troopers?

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Speaker 8: is just pure, just gut rich and devastation. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: How long she sat there?

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Speaker 2: What did she have coffee in the morning? Did she

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Speaker 2: That's a fun thing for you to do, Trooper, is

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Speaker 6: For her child. Did she order Uber eats her door dash?

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Speaker 2: What was she doing while you, Trooper, were out looking

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Speaker 6: You ever thought about that?

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Speaker 2: Have you ever thought about tracing her activities while you

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Speaker 8: Yeah, all that stuff has been taken into consideration, and

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Speaker 6: Guys.

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Speaker 2: In the last hours, we learned that after begging, begging,

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Speaker 3: As detectives searched the woods and fields around his home,

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Speaker 2: In the last hours, we're learning a lot as we

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Speaker 5: what that's bringing out? The horrible specter.

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Speaker 2: He's raising his head like a monster. Scott Peterson, remember

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Speaker 2: remember this, Sydney Sumner. You and I covered this together.

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Speaker 2: Within five minutes, within five minutes, Scott Peterson asked if

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Speaker 2: not affect Mommy's appetite. Another thing Sidney summer, and again

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Speaker 2: I'm projecting in doctor Sue Cornblue's gonna have a field

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Speaker 6: Down to eighty nine pounds.

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Speaker 2: The thought of food nauseated me, and I can still

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Speaker 2: how did we find out? You actually found out? How

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Speaker 5: Locals who know this family, who are familiar with Jaden

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Speaker 6: They are up.

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Speaker 5: And they are posting about all of the things that

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Speaker 5: So someone said, oh, I saw her at McDonald's getting

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Speaker 6: Other people are out looking for her kid. So people are.

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Speaker 2: Well, another thing, taking Gayheart and all of his people

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Speaker 10: I mean yeah, I mean that's still you gotta eat.

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Speaker 1: That nasty wet hay, and you spun it out into gold.

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Speaker 6: Rumble Stiltskin.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Greece, doctor Sue Cornblueth. We clearly

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Speaker 2: I can understand that. But mommy chowing down at McDonald's

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Speaker 1: That ain't gonna play with a jury.

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Speaker 6: Doctor. This is infuriating.

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Speaker 11: Okay, she's out having a big mac or whatever while

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Speaker 6: Liar liar. And I don't know what is going on here,

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Speaker 11: But I'm thinking about Canthany right now, and not in

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Speaker 2: Oh you just said something really really smart, doctor, Sue,

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Speaker 6: Because I've got some news for you.

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Speaker 2: But I want to first hold on a where I

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Speaker 2: lose this thought Trooper, Matt Gaheart joining us trouper. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you love it when people give you suggestions for

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Speaker 6: It goes on forever.

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna go out on

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Speaker 2: I wish you guys would pull the McDonald's video and

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Speaker 2: just watch her demeanor. Maybe at the drive through was

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Speaker 6: Did she start eating.

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Speaker 2: Right then when she got in the food before she

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Speaker 6: Did she go in?

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Speaker 2: I hope she goes in so I could watch in

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Speaker 2: So we've got the McDonald's videotape. I'm happy to get

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Speaker 2: some more news for you, Sidney Sumner. Doctor Sue Cornblooth

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Speaker 1: She didn't want a child.

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Speaker 2: Okay, can you enlighten us about what you found out

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Speaker 5: Well, we don't know much, but we do know that

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Speaker 2: Now isn't that quite the coincidence? Trooper Gayheart, another brick

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Speaker 2: So grandma is raising the boy just ten years old,

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Speaker 5: Actually just recently? And Felicia Gross also two years in jail,

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Speaker 6: Strooper matt a Gayheart. I mean, the.

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Speaker 2: Grandma is clearly in feeling health and she gives Jaden

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Speaker 6: It was amazing. I mean, dirt poor.

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Speaker 2: But so much love, and that's what he had with

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Speaker 2: I mean, just the heartbreak of that. I mean, do

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Speaker 8: that is that spoil. We've also used flear, which is

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00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 8: a great technology search for missing.

443
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 6: People from our friends ed wk YT.

444
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 12: The area surrounding the home and areas he is most familiar,

445
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 12: searched by the best resources available. Now, the family of

446
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 12: Jaden's raising money for a reward to help bring the

447
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 12: boy home. Jaden's and Samantha Bunty launched to go fundme

448
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 12: campaign to raise for cash reward. Priest father Jim Sichko

449
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 12: is also offering a reward for the safe return of Jaden.

450
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 8: Unfortunately, we've not been able to locate a lot of

451
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 8: evidence suggests that he would be close by O Soul. Unfortunately,

452
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 8: we're kind of the same same support we were when

453
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 8: we started the search.

454
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 2: For our friends Fox fifty six and joining us is

455
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: that trooper helped leading the search, Trooper Matt Gayheart. I'm

456
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: going to go to Thomas, doctor Thomas Coin in just

457
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 2: a moment. But first Trooper Gayheart what raising money to

458
00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: find Jaden, and Mommy just sits on our thumb while

459
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: money is being raised to help find Jada.

460
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 6: And you've even got the.

461
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: Priest father Jim offering his own money as a reward

462
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: for information, and Mommy sits there munching a burger.

463
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 6: Seriously, Yeah, you.

464
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 8: Know, we tried literally everything to get information in this investigation.

465
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 8: It turned to us right quickly that what we were

466
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 8: doing wasn't going to work. So the community together and

467
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 8: try to get some punts together to get somebody to

468
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 8: come forward with some information that would lead us to Jaden.

469
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: I would put my two eyes on that money because

470
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: if that money goes in mommy's pocket, oh yeah, all

471
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: htal going to break loose. In this studio, guys, listen

472
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: to the heartbreak that some of the troopers were going through.

473
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: As stated by our guest, Listen, you think about.

474
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 8: A ten year old chick who is if he wanted it,

475
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 8: away from the residents and is by himself walking through

476
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 8: the forest. He's gotten old resources with them, so you're

477
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 8: racing against the clock as far as getting him home safely.

478
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 8: We must continue, hope, but unfortunately at this point where

479
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 8: we're at an investigation, it's a race against the clock.

480
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 8: We're essentially at kind of our last leg. We need

481
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 8: to do how we relocate him immediately.

482
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: That's sound from our friends at Fox fifty six. It

483
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: really struck me as you're out there literally beating the bushes.

484
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: You use the dogs, you used radar, you did everything

485
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: you could, you organize search after search after search, and

486
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: you were talking at one point how you were thinking

487
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: about a ten year old child who's wandered away and

488
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: is alone in this forest. He's gotten nothing with him,

489
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: maybe not even shoes, nothing to drink, nothing to eat.

490
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: Tell me about the terrain you search, Trooper Gayheart.

491
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 8: Majority of that area is very steep, very rugged terrain.

492
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 8: It's very overgrown with dense vegetation. Soul for searchers, it

493
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 8: was really difficult to traverse that terrain. I can't imagine

494
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 8: a ten year old being able to just run them

495
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 8: up through it.

496
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: Ten years old, ten years old out in that rough

497
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: Kentucky terrain. When, if at all, did it go through

498
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: your mind, Trooper that he did not wander away.

499
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 8: We started having speculations around the second day of the search,

500
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 8: which was the first full day of having all of

501
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 8: our search and rescue crews out there about that time,

502
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 8: where we wouldn't find any evidence suggesting that anybody was

503
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 8: out there. So at that time we started thinking, maybe

504
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 8: we're looking at a situation where we're chasing our tails here.

505
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: Regardless of the mom there were two aunties that raised

506
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: the red flag.

507
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: Listen, there's some stuff.

508
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 10: That just doesn't ad a in this case.

509
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 13: And as two aunts and mothers, we've.

510
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 6: Questioned a lot of the information.

511
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: Ourselves, friends, neighbors, even politicians helping search.

512
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 6: For ten year old Jaden.

513
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 3: In a nightmare, two of Jaden's aunts, questioning information police

514
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: were told Jaden went to bed Tuesday night but was

515
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: missing Wednesday morning. Aunts Chai Sellers and Samantha Bunty say

516
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: a lot of the info doesn't add up. Jaden would

517
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 3: never venture out in the dark and climb the rugged

518
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: terrain surrounding his home.

519
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 6: Yes, who would?

520
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: And you know another thing that's interesting, and we've seen

521
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: this in other cases Sydney summer.

522
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 9: Oh.

523
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: By the way, that original sound was from our friends

524
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: at WSMV four Sidney. We've seen this in other cases

525
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: where children allegedly wandered out at night and all their

526
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: shoes were still in the home and the only thing

527
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: missing would be them and the piece days that they

528
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 2: were wearing the night before. So you've got to believe

529
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: this child would go out in the middle of the

530
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: night without shoes, not wearing any clothes, and wander so

531
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: far away from home, didn't wake up any dogs, nothing

532
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: like that, didn't set off a burglar alarm, nothing, and

533
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: gets lost in the middle of the night.

534
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 6: That's what we were supposed to believe. I mean, at

535
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 6: stuck time, haven't at the get go. It just doesn't

536
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 6: make sense.

537
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 5: His aunts say that Jaden was terrified of bugs, and

538
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 5: bugs are especially worse in the summertime. So for them

539
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 5: to say, to be told that Jayden wandered out of

540
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 5: the house in the middle of the night in the heat,

541
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 5: with all of the bugs that he's terrified of, they

542
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 5: immediately knew that something wasn't right. And for Jaden to

543
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 5: have not woken any of his siblings when he left

544
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 5: in the overnight hours or in the morning, and this

545
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 5: was a long period of time that nobody saw him.

546
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 5: Nine o'clock at night to nine am in the morning.

547
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 5: That's a long time for a child whose age to

548
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 5: sleep uninterrupted without making a keep. So I think people

549
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 5: were very suspicious of mommy's story from the very beginning.

550
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: You know, to Trooper Matt Gayheart, what was mommy's story

551
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: at the get go?

552
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 6: Did she ever mention, you know, I just don't see

553
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 6: him going out in that terrain.

554
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: He hates bugs and mosquitoes, He wouldn't do it. Did

555
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: she ever say anything like that? And then the Aunties

556
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: raise the alarm that this was just didn't make any sense.

557
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: What was her original story?

558
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 8: Trooper reported that while they were sleeping at the Fowell

559
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 8: family went to better just shortly after nine pm. At

560
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 8: some point during the night into the early morning hours,

561
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 8: Jaden had left the residence that was now missing. They

562
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 8: didn't check on that job until just a little after

563
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 8: nine am the following morning, so you have a twelve

564
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 8: hour gap there that we're trying to pin down exactly

565
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 8: maybe when this child left the residence.

566
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: So her story was he goes to sleep and she

567
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: wakes him up, goes to wake him up at nine am,

568
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: and he's not in his bed.

569
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: That's the story, right, that's correct.

570
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 6: You know.

571
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: Another fun thing for the troopers to do would be

572
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: to go in the home and see if any shoes

573
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 2: were taken. Actually, you don't need to do that because

574
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: you know how his body was found. What was he

575
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: wearing Trooper when his body was found?

576
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 8: That information we do don't though, just as part of

577
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 8: the investigation. A lot of that stuff it looked into.

578
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 8: That's taken to the Medical Exander's office for analysis. So

579
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 8: that's stuff we'll be able to answer a little further

580
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 8: down in an investigation.

581
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 2: You know doctor Sue, doctor Sue at Cornbluoth joining us

582
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 2: family Expert. You can find her at doctor Sue and

583
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 2: you dot com. See that's something a mom would know

584
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 2: or should know. For instance, mosquitos never my son. They

585
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: always bite my daughter always, and when she goes outside.

586
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 6: That's something she and I think about.

587
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: She would never do this, She would never go out

588
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: that way and get eaten up by mosquitoes. I'm just

589
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking why it had to be the Aunties

590
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: that put this out there, that the story doesn't add up,

591
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: that he would never do this and not the mom.

592
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 2: And I know Ben Powers is going to say, that's

593
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: not hard direct evidence such as DNA or fingerprint, but

594
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: it's circumstantial evidence, very strong circumstantial evidence to me.

595
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 11: To me, this is a mom that doesn't know our

596
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 11: child at all. Look, Nancy, you know what's screaming at

597
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 11: me right now. One she was in jail for a

598
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 11: year for child endangerment. So we cannot just throw.

599
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 6: That out like that never happened.

600
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 11: You know, I don't know what happened, but to me,

601
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 11: it seems like she has the possibility of abusing her children.

602
00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 6: I want to say.

603
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 11: One thing here that a lot of people don't know

604
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 11: this term, but it's called unwanted child fill aside.

605
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 6: And what that means is that you do not want your.

606
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 11: Child, and you want to go off and have a

607
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 11: life of freedom, and you see your child as an object,

608
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 11: not as a human being. And I'm just thinking to myself,

609
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 11: this is probably what is going on right here. This

610
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 11: is a mother that had a lot of problems, probably

611
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 11: didn't want to be a parent. He was acting out

612
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 11: and she is at it, and perhaps she said I'm

613
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 11: just going to discard him now.

614
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: Then a new lead emerges, Tector's responding to the location

615
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: and initiated a search.

616
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 8: Shortly thereafter, approximately three pu the remainings of Jaden's sponsor

617
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 8: were discovered buried at the set.

618
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:51,959
Speaker 6: The brother.

619
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 8: Kuncorn's office responded and pronounce the child deceased. The remains

620
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 8: will be transported to the Medical Examiner's Office of Frankfort

621
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 8: for an autopsy. This insident has now transitioned from a

622
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 8: missing person investigation into an active and ongoing criminal investigation.

623
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 8: Is our top priority to protect the integrity of this

624
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 8: investigation and seek justice for Jacob.

625
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 14: Yes, my love, that there is a lady you come

626
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 14: up our door and she's some guy that jumping into

627
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 14: a red light of her car, put her two kids

628
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 14: in it, and he took off and he got out

629
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 14: of the car here at Ohio and he's got a head, Yes,

630
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 14: ma'am at her call, and I don't hear ripercle and

631
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 14: I I need to come along getting down here, and

632
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 14: a car is but we need to have the we

633
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 14: can of acting up.

634
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 11: A modal protege.

635
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 14: What color was it? A burgundy mignal protege.

636
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 10: We don't get him going pay him.

637
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 14: They got two keys.

638
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 6: I'll hoold to whoever has my children that they please,

639
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 6: I mean, please bring them home to us.

640
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: Save it.

641
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: Susan Smith, use that in your next appeal to get

642
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: out from behind bars. That's from our friends at wyff Wow,

643
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: an eerie similarity. While that mommy knows her sons are

644
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: at the bottom of a lake in her car, belted

645
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: in their seat belts by her, she's begging for the

646
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: public to help find them and actually blames some mythic

647
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: guy that comes up and carjacks them. But she's not

648
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: the only parent who kills their child and then begs

649
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: for people like Trooper Matt Gayheart to go find them.

650
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 15: Listen, Bella, Celeste, if you're out there, just just come back.

651
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 15: Like if somebody has her, just please bring her back.

652
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 15: I need to see everybody. I need to see everybody again.

653
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 15: This house is not complete without anybody here.

654
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 13: Daddy, you're well.

655
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 6: He helped me grow up. He helped me so good too.

656
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 13: He leaves me with time Nations, Great daddy, Daddy.

657
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 6: And love you from our friends.

658
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: At den verse seven, of course, that is the devil

659
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: Chris Watts, and he says, I need to see everybody again.

660
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: Well you're not because they're in heaven and that is

661
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Speaker 2: not where you're going, Watts. No, you're gonna be literally

662
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Speaker 2: on the hot seat having supper with Satan. He murdered

663
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Speaker 2: his wife, Shenan Watts. He murdered Bella and Celeste, his

664
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Speaker 2: little children, and forced their bodies into openings in oil

665
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Speaker 2: tankers at Darko oil fills. And the containers were about

666
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Speaker 2: that wide at the top, and he shoved their bodies down,

667
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Speaker 2: ripping the skin off the baby's arms. The wife, Shenan,

668
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Speaker 2: was pregnant. She was buried in a shallow grave and

669
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Speaker 2: severed coffin birth. She delivered baby Nico in the grave

670
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Speaker 2: post mortem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, listen to this.

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Speaker 16: Oh my daughter Fayer, I need to find her.

673
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Speaker 6: Your daughter admitted that the baby is where.

674
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Speaker 16: You turd of took her month ago. To that my

675
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Speaker 16: daughter's been looking for I told you my daughter was

676
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Speaker 16: missing four months. I just found her today that I

677
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Speaker 16: can't find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me she's

678
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Speaker 16: been trying to find her herself. There's something wrong.

679
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Speaker 1: I found my daughter's.

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Speaker 16: Carts were day and then sent a dead body.

681
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Speaker 6: Okay, what is the three year old's name?

682
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Speaker 16: Kayley?

683
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Speaker 14: C A y l E E.

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Speaker 16: Anthony.

685
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Speaker 2: That, like the current case, was the loving grandmother Cindy Anthony.

686
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Speaker 6: She and husband.

687
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 2: George had been taking care of Kelley all along, while

688
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: top mom Casey Anthony sat on the sofa and eight

689
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 2: chips watching TV, pretending she had a job, even going

690
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Speaker 2: so far as to wear the uniform from Universal. I mean,

691
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Speaker 2: but here is taught mom herself on the phone asking

692
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Speaker 2: for help to find her.

693
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Speaker 1: Daughter that prosecutors say she killed.

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Speaker 6: Listen, you last saw.

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Speaker 16: Her a month ago forty one?

696
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Speaker 14: Dy from one? Who have her?

697
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Speaker 6: Do you a name?

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Speaker 16: Her name is Ravas Fernando's due wallis who is that?

699
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Speaker 5: Maybe?

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Speaker 16: She has been my nanny for.

701
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Speaker 14: Suty year and almost two years?

702
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Speaker 16: Why why are you calling now? Why didn't you call

703
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Speaker 16: three one day? As I've been looking for her and

704
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 16: has gone through other resources to try to find her.

705
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Speaker 10: So tr're stupid?

706
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Speaker 6: No, she wasn't.

707
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Speaker 2: She was slung up at her boyfriend's place, living with

708
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Speaker 2: him in his roommates. That's sexy, that said All the while,

709
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: Kelly's body was decomposing, as were Bella and Celeste, as

710
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 2: were Susan Smith's Little Boys.

711
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

712
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Speaker 6: To Dodger.

713
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Speaker 2: Thomas Coin, renowned chief Medical Examiner District to Medical Examiner's Office,

714
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Speaker 2: State of Florida. Never a lack of business in Florida.

715
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Speaker 2: A forensic pathologist, toxicologist, and euro pathologist. Doctor con Mommy

716
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: has said, Trooper, what did she say that Jaden died of?

717
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 2: What a medical emergency?

718
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 8: That's correct, from some sleeping medication.

719
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Speaker 2: As she had given him a medical emergency caused by her.

720
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Speaker 1: Okay, so translation, according to her.

721
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Speaker 2: She owed ed him on some kind of a sleeping

722
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: formula like Benadriel.

723
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Speaker 6: I don't know what it is yet.

724
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Speaker 2: So the medical emergency that we know of right now

725
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Speaker 2: is mommy IND's, doctor Thomas Coin. You know, when children

726
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Speaker 2: pass out or they are not waking up after they've

727
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 2: had too many mans, typically parents call nine one one. Okay,

728
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: We've seen this claim before at trial top mom Casey

729
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: Anthony claimed that Keilly died in the pool, but instead

730
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Speaker 2: of calling the ambulance or having a funeral, she was

731
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Speaker 2: just put in black plastic trash bags and thrown in swamp. Okay,

732
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Speaker 2: see that is just screams lie, doctor Thomas Coin, I

733
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Speaker 2: need you and I need you now. How since his

734
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Speaker 2: body has been decomposing, will we be able to get

735
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Speaker 2: a cod cause of TAM sure, hope.

736
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Speaker 17: So it depends upon the amount of decomposition. So I'm

737
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Speaker 17: assuming that since he was identified at the time the

738
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Speaker 17: body was recovered, that hopefully he has not decomposed enough

739
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Speaker 17: to still have tissue present.

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Speaker 10: The number one may allow.

741
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Speaker 17: You to see if he had any trauma, you know,

742
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Speaker 17: if he was asphyxiated or beaten, stab what have you.

743
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Speaker 17: But more importantly, with regards to toxicology, enough tissue left

744
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Speaker 17: to test for various substances, so you can test if

745
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Speaker 17: there's any blood or bodily fluids. You can certainly use that,

746
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 17: but we can also go to tissue, and we certainly

747
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Speaker 17: have hopefully tissue president that would allow us to find

748
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Speaker 17: those answers.

749
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Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Coin, I didn't want to interrupt. I didn't

750
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Speaker 2: want to the words you said, but could you please

751
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: break it down? When you say get tissue? What does

752
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Speaker 2: that mean? A fingernail, a toenail, hair, Is it blood?

753
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Speaker 6: Is it urine? And how do you get it? Is

754
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Speaker 6: it skin?

755
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Speaker 2: What do you mean by tissue? Do you go in it,

756
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: stuck out a part of the liver sale? What does

757
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Speaker 2: that mean? And how do you do it? And you

758
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Speaker 2: also said, I know this is a compound question disallowed

759
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Speaker 2: in court, but I think you can handle it. What

760
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Speaker 2: do you mean by determining if he was asphyxiated or

761
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: literature strangled or bludgeon. How do you look at the

762
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Speaker 2: body and tell that's what happened.

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Speaker 17: So let's assume this is a normal body who just

764
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Speaker 17: died recently. So you're going to begin with an external

765
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Speaker 17: examination looking at their body from head to toe, looking

766
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Speaker 17: for signs of injury, so bruising, sad marks, lacerations, any

767
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Speaker 17: particular injury. After the external examination is done, we proceed

768
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Speaker 17: inward and we look at all of the body cavities,

769
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Speaker 17: including with inside the skull, examine the brain, examine all

770
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Speaker 17: of the organs internally, the tissues after they're reflected, and

771
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Speaker 17: that allows us to see what injuries may be present.

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Speaker 17: So if a person was strangled, you may very well

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Speaker 17: see injuries on the neck, bruising on the outside of

774
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Speaker 17: the neck, abrasions, scratch marks. As we remove the skin

775
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Speaker 17: or reflect the skin backwards, you may see hemorrhaging in

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Speaker 17: the neck, muscles, fracturing of the cartilage or bones in

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Speaker 17: the neck, things that suggest that there were pressure applied

778
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Speaker 17: to the neck. You may also see soft signs like

779
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 17: particular hemorrhages in the face. But if the person was beaten,

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Speaker 17: you may see it fractures, bleeding within the head or

781
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Speaker 17: the brain itself. So those are the findings we look

782
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Speaker 17: for to identify injury. When a person is decomposed, it

783
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Speaker 17: gets much more difficult because as a tissue begins to

784
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Speaker 17: break down, fluids will travel throughout tissues. It's maybe hard

785
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Speaker 17: to identify an injury. Also, the injury may be gone,

786
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Speaker 17: so the person may have been stabbed and the area

787
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Speaker 17: that was stabbed, or a person was shot with the gun.

788
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Speaker 17: Let's say those tissues may be going simply due to decomposition,

789
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Speaker 17: but also due to scavenging activity from animals and insects.

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Speaker 17: With regards to toxicology, when we're doing the autopsy, we

791
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Speaker 17: can actually access the veins on the body using needles,

792
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Speaker 17: just like you wouldn't office setting to obtain blood. But

793
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 17: once we open the body, we have access to all

794
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Speaker 17: of their organs. We have access to the fluid and

795
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Speaker 17: the eye, We have access to the bile and the gallbladder,

796
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Speaker 17: and we can actually use the organ tissues themselves, for instance,

797
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Speaker 17: deliver the brain the kidney to also test for toxicology.

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Speaker 17: So that's what I mean by having access the tissue

799
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Speaker 17: and access to fluids, there's a lot of potential material

800
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Speaker 17: there that we can use to hopefully find that cause

801
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Speaker 17: of death.

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Speaker 2: Wow, now I know why you're the chief Medical Examiner

803
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Speaker 2: in District Team Medical Examiner's Office.

804
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Speaker 6: State of Florida. That was a lot.

805
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Speaker 2: I was taking notes as quickly as I could, but

806
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Speaker 2: needless to say, now I know how you get the samples.

807
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 2: I know what you mean and in your experience, isn't

808
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Speaker 2: it true, doctor Coin? That very often if there is

809
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 2: a ligature strangling or even a manual strangulation, you can

810
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: look at the body with the naked eye and tell

811
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Speaker 2: that's what happened. You don't have to look at the

812
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: particuari in the eye. Of course, you follow up with

813
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 2: that to see if it was burst. But you can

814
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: look and see the damage around the neck. You can

815
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Speaker 2: see stab wounds, you can see lant force trauma. I'm

816
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: just curious, but you did squirts a little perfume on

817
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Speaker 2: the pig there when you said scavenger activity break it down?

818
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Speaker 17: Sure? So I mean the second you die. First of all,

819
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Speaker 17: we are full of bacteria internally within our sinuses, our mouth,

820
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 17: within our gullet. So the second you die in your

821
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 17: immune system is no longer active. Your bacteria will begin

822
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 17: to eat you. And if you're outside in the heat,

823
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 17: that bacteria will grow exponentially, So that's the first thing. Secondarily,

824
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 17: you have insects all around you in the environment, especially below.

825
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 17: Flies will land the pie deposit eggs. Those eggs will

826
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Speaker 17: hatch and we'll assume the bodily tissues and bodily fluids.

827
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Speaker 17: But also you have other scavengers and by that I

828
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Speaker 17: mean birds like vultures, or you have rodents. You have

829
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Speaker 17: other predators that maybe in the area that come upon

830
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Speaker 17: the body, smell the process of decomposition, the volatile organic substances,

831
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Speaker 17: even in a shallow grave, they'll be looking for that

832
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Speaker 17: and they may actually walk away with portions of the body.

833
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 17: Sometimes they walk away with the portion of the body

834
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Speaker 17: that allows you to determine the cause of death. And

835
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Speaker 17: so you hope those processes don't occur, and if they do,

836
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Speaker 17: it may make it difficult for you to determine how

837
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Speaker 17: that person died.

838
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Speaker 2: Mindpowers, vultures, rodents, rats taking parts of this boy's body.

839
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Speaker 2: If they do not seek the DP, I will do

840
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Speaker 2: a backflip.

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Speaker 9: I mean, that's pretty aggressive to go to death penalty

842
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 9: based on what I mean.

843
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Speaker 10: What we have is a death that we don't know

844
00:49:59,320 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 10: the cause of death.

845
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Speaker 9: Yet you know she does have child endangerment in her

846
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 9: past that could be physical abuse, but it could be.

847
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Speaker 9: But she also has charges in her past for drugs

848
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Speaker 9: and having him around drugs and using drugs around the

849
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Speaker 9: child and this situation.

850
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Speaker 2: Please, are you about to say that she had a

851
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: drug habit and so I should feel sorry for her?

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Speaker 9: I know, well, her explanation so far is that she

853
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 9: gave sleeping medicine to her son. He may have gotten

854
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 9: into her drugs, or she may have given him a

855
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Speaker 9: drug she shouldn't have.

856
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 10: Had, freaked out and realized that's bad for her.

857
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Speaker 9: This is a bad situation, And so you're using everything

858
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Speaker 9: that happened after to try to say, oh, this is premeditated,

859
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 9: when really it could just be a panic reaction.

860
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Speaker 10: Plus there is a stepfather that we haven't been talking

861
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Speaker 10: about at all. I mean, I'm hard pressed.

862
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Speaker 9: To believe this mother alone in the dead of night,

863
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Speaker 9: drove twenty miles to the thick woods, dug a shallow grave,

864
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Speaker 9: and got home before anyone knew she was gone by herself.

865
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Speaker 10: I mean, there's a lot more to them.

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Speaker 18: So she worn't coach the children to lie hold on

867
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Speaker 18: Sidney Sumner, there may be witnesses, and I'm sure Gayheart

868
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Speaker 18: doesn't relish the idea of questioning and interrogating little children,

869
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Speaker 18: but that's his duty, whether.

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Speaker 2: He likes it or not. Isn't it true that mommy

871
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 2: is also accused of tampering with witnesses, i e. The siblings,

872
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 2: telling them to lie about what happened.

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00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, she is.

874
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Speaker 5: She is charged with tampering with witnesses for coaching Jaden's

875
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 5: siblings on what to say to police about what happened

876
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 5: to him. So we don't know what they saw. We

877
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 5: don't know if they were in the car while she

878
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 5: made this trip, if Jaden was asleep next to them.

879
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 6: In bed and didn't wake up.

880
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 5: We don't know what these children witnessed and what she

881
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 5: told them to not think about, or how she explained

882
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 5: this way to them.

883
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 6: I'm sure it's a nightmare.

884
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: No matter what you say it, Sydney, coaching them, you

885
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 2: mean asking them to lie. That would be my argument

886
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: at trial, and I want to stress and I can't

887
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: stress it enough.

888
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 6: She is innocent.

889
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: Tonight as we go to air, she is innocent.

890
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: It is the duty of the state to prove her

891
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Now, what be Empowers doesn't

892
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 2: want you to hear is the rest of that statement

893
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 2: to prove her guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. She's presumed

894
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: innocent unless and until the state pierces the presumption of

895
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: innocence with proof. Trooper Gayheart, the thought of this boy

896
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 2: out there in the elements, and when I heard doctor

897
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 2: con talk about rodents, rats, vultures potentially taking pieces of

898
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 2: his body, it's you know, I think I would just

899
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 2: go jump off a cliff if I didn't have my twins.

900
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 6: To live for.

901
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: About the meanness in the world. And you know we

902
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: earlier reported you got a tip that led.

903
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 6: You to this location? Who led you to the body?

904
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 8: So information that we received came from Mom herself. She

905
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 8: give us the location of where she had taken Jaden

906
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 8: and buried him.

907
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: Okay, Trooper Gayheart is not revealing secret facts. We found

908
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: that out from other sources. So I'm sure of being

909
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 2: Powers defense attorney will want Mammy to get a gold

910
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 2: star for leading to the body. Oh, that's not happening.

911
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to use that against her. How does she

912
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: know where the body was?

913
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: I guess you're going to conjure up the stepfather and

914
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: say she was along for the ride.

915
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 9: She made very well then, I mean she made the

916
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 9: initial board with the public letter asking for help him.

917
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 9: You know, I know you made a big deal about

918
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 9: her going to McDonald's. But she does have the other children.

919
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 9: I mean, if she's coaching them to a lot, she's

920
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 9: got to feed them, and kids like McDonald's, and you

921
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 9: want to make a big deal about her, you know

922
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 9: movies that she rented, Well, if she's renting movies that

923
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 9: kids would watch.

924
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 10: That shows that she's taking care of the kids that

925
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 10: she has with her.

926
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 9: And so then she makes the ultimate report that leads

927
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 9: investigators to the exact site of this young boy, and

928
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 9: so that certainly has to raise questions of what was

929
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 9: her role, who else might be involved, what really happened here?

930
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 10: And I think a lot of.

931
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 9: That might be answered through what I'm sure investigators are doing,

932
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 9: which is getting search warts for phones for the home

933
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 9: and waiting on the forensics from the autopsy to come

934
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 9: back to maybe get a more clear story. And again

935
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 9: I have a hard time believing that she would have

936
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 9: done all this by herself without anyone knowing, you know.

937
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 9: And so there's a lot more to the story. But

938
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 9: she did make the initial report, and she made the

939
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 9: ultimate report that found her son. It sounds like in

940
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 9: between she was taking care of for other kids, and

941
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 9: so I think that certainly colors the picture in a

942
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 9: different way than you know, what you were saying about

943
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 9: the death penalty and things like that.

944
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: I think that's oh yeah, she was taking care of

945
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: her children in powers.

946
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 6: Hey, I'll give you a cheeseburger if you lie to

947
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 6: the cops. That works.

948
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 9: I can't really love that because there's a bigger story

949
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 9: to it with others involved.

950
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 2: I'm only laughing because my alternative is to cry or

951
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: to just my head blow off. Right now, we are

952
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: now learning that earlier today, mommy makes a first appearance

953
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 2: in court.

954
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 6: What happened? Said?

955
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 5: Felicia Gross pleaded not guilty to all of the charges

956
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 5: against her.

957
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 6: So she appeared in court. She was read her rights

958
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 6: and her charges, and she said, I did not do

959
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 6: this and this will eventually go to a jury trial.

960
00:55:54,440 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 2: Yes, you're seeing video from our friends at WK. Why

961
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 2: Mommy in court saying what, I'm not guilty.

962
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 6: I had nothing to do with it.

963
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: Oh you know, I get asked online all the time,

964
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: how can someone confess and then play not guilty.

965
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 6: You know what? That is the way our system works.

966
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 2: That is how Ben Powers wins so many of his cases.

967
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 2: The jury may never know that they confessed. They may

968
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 2: try to get a play deal to get the death

969
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 2: penalty off the table.

970
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 6: There are a million, There is a myriad.

971
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: Of legal loopholes. But Mommy just in court claiming not guilty.

972
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 2: And that's her right because right now she's innocent. Just

973
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: wait and find out if a jury agrees with that.

974
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: This case is ongoing. The Kentucky State Troopers, Trooper Gayheart,

975
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: and many many others are still amassing evidence.

976
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 6: What happened before, during and after? What time was this

977
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 6: body taken to this remote location?

978
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: Is their video from door cams, from red lights, from

979
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 2: businesses that mommy may have passed with.

980
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 6: The body in the car?

981
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 2: Did she take her children? What about her current nav system?

982
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: What about her cell phone? What if anything did you

983
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: see hear or notice that tip line six zero six

984
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 2: four three five six zero six nine repeat six zero

985
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: six four three five six zero six nine. If you

986
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: want justice for Jaden, let your voice be heard and

987
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: we wait as justice unfolds.

988
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 6: But now we remember an American.

989
00:57:55,320 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 2: Hero officerje Lopez PELLAMPD, Alabama, killed in a line of

990
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: duty after fifteen years in LA law enforcement, leaving behind

991
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: a grieving wife, Katie, and two children, Abby and Eli.

992
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 2: American Hero Officer Juan Lopez Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,