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Speaker 5: Everybody I told him before he even got here, dropped
Speaker 5: the thermostat on there right.
Speaker 1: I think relying energy got us for you.
Speaker 4: It's all good, It's all good. We must start with
Speaker 4: the money, okay. Bottom line is you have to start
Speaker 4: with the money because this is that time of year
Speaker 4: where teams are trying to get deals done. The Cowboys,
Speaker 4: we know, are sitting here with some good players that
Speaker 4: they've got to talk. We talked about it before. Dak Prescott,
Speaker 4: CD Lamb, Micah Parsons. You got Treybond Diggs. These are
Speaker 4: guys who are coming up. They got digs done before
Speaker 4: the first practice here. So five year, ninety seven million
Speaker 4: dollar extension. Todd Archer breaks it down at six years,
Speaker 4: one hundred and four million dollars for.
Speaker 1: Trey Bond Diggs.
Speaker 4: Bonus twenty one point three I sheuly said, twenty one
Speaker 4: point two five million with guarantees. Get up forty two
Speaker 4: point three million dollars for a corner that folks have
Speaker 4: been looking for since Dion Sanders left here.
Speaker 1: I know there's a bunch of people that wanted Byron
Speaker 1: Jones to get paid.
Speaker 4: I was one of those that said, you know, I
Speaker 4: like Byron Jones, but you don't take the ball away.
Speaker 1: You pay.
Speaker 4: You pay for people to snatch. Snatch that all the way.
Speaker 4: That's at a quarterback league. So dig just paid. Let
Speaker 4: me start with you your thoughts.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's well deserved. It's well deserved.
Speaker 6: I think they had to get this done because he's
Speaker 6: one of the cornerstone pieces of that defense that seems
Speaker 6: to just be rising as the years go on and
Speaker 6: if we look at his game, you know, his rookie
Speaker 6: year gave up a lot of yards. But to me,
Speaker 6: what stood out the most is he's coachable because then
Speaker 6: that following year he came back eleven interceptions. Out there,
Speaker 6: he's taking the football away, just like you said, like
Speaker 6: the top corners should be able to do. If you
Speaker 6: can take the football away and create offense on your own,
Speaker 6: I mean you're gonna be one of the highest paid corners, as.
Speaker 1: We see with Trayvon Days.
Speaker 6: And he follows that back up again after the eleven
Speaker 6: interception year, he became to me the complete corner because
Speaker 6: he was locked down. I mean he went to get
Speaker 6: some of the top receivers in the game hit him
Speaker 6: to one two catches.
Speaker 1: I think A J.
Speaker 6: Brownly had one catch down, So I think it's well deserved.
Speaker 6: He's becoming that complete corner.
Speaker 1: And with the addition of Stefan gillwhere this could be
Speaker 1: a dangerous duo.
Speaker 5: I mean, look at look at Treylon from this aspect,
Speaker 5: he was a second round guy, so he didn't have
Speaker 5: the fifth round option. That was the thing that really
Speaker 5: made his deal. I have to do situation for the Cowboys. Now,
Speaker 5: when you look at where he is. As far as
Speaker 5: the contract that they signed, they did not reset the market.
Speaker 5: So that's them to this whole deal is that he
Speaker 5: didn't want to get paid more than some of those
Speaker 5: top guys in the league. And I think with all
Speaker 5: of the things that you have coming down the pipeline,
Speaker 5: if you're Stephen Jones, he does not want to be
Speaker 5: known as that guy that kicks the can down the
Speaker 5: road and always gets guys signed late, like he did
Speaker 5: with Dak and some other contracts that we've seen, right,
Speaker 5: But you had to get Trayvon dis done and that
Speaker 5: deal is done now, and I think it's a it's
Speaker 5: a team friendly deal that also allows you now to
Speaker 5: get some other pressing needs done.
Speaker 1: Somebody's getting the cap, somebody's.
Speaker 5: Getting to tag you know they I don't want to
Speaker 5: hear that, but I think the deal that they made
Speaker 5: happen when Trayvon they had to and he was in
Speaker 5: the advance, he had the advantage and he got paid
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 4: Todd Archer breaks it down here for by the way,
Speaker 4: Todd Archer of ESPN dot Com breaks down the money.
Speaker 4: Uh So this year twenty twenty three, one million dollars
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four eleven million dollars hit, twenty twenty five
Speaker 4: nine million, twenty twenty six fourteen point five million dollars,
Speaker 4: twenty twenty seven nineteen point five million dollars, and twenty
Speaker 4: twenty eight twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1: So he's got an active roster bonuses.
Speaker 4: Totally one million dollars from year twenty four through twenty
Speaker 4: twenty eight, and he can make an additional six hundred
Speaker 4: thousand dollars per year through escalators. Escalators each year, five
Speaker 4: interceptions plus the playoffs is three hundred thousand dollars. Seven
Speaker 4: interceptions plus the playoffs six hundred thousand doables. So these
Speaker 4: are these are doable things there. And one more thing
Speaker 4: we talked about with Diggs while he had that rough
Speaker 4: first year. That was with Mike Nolan. Nobody on dealbo.
Speaker 4: You're bringing dan Quinn and and and and there you know,
Speaker 4: there you go. So the interesting thing about that go
Speaker 4: back to cd Am getting drafted. The Falcons had to
Speaker 4: pick before Dallas when dan Quinn was there. They took
Speaker 4: corner A J. Terrell and you and I were talking.
Speaker 4: We we both said we wanted a corner in the
Speaker 4: first round, and we said Diggs Yep, doesn't happen. They
Speaker 4: get him in the second round. So here dan Quinn
Speaker 4: getting the coaching. And I asked dan Quinn two years ago,
Speaker 4: I was like, why did you take him?
Speaker 1: Kind of danced around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're both gonna be good players. But and I asked,
Speaker 4: did you ask him? Terrell really over me? But the
Speaker 4: man's got the bag. So all's well ended well for Diggs.
Speaker 4: So I'm with you. This was a this is a
Speaker 4: must have going into into you know, because of the
Speaker 4: second round, four year contract versus five. You didn't want
Speaker 4: to throw a tag.
Speaker 1: On the player.
Speaker 4: You didn't, you couldn't, and he didn't want to play
Speaker 4: this year anyway, you want to risk it out there.
Speaker 4: So I thought that I thought this was a good contract.
Speaker 4: I thought when when you know top averaged, you know
Speaker 4: top five, and you're not set in the market here,
Speaker 4: I thought there was a win for them. Let's get
Speaker 4: into Zach Martin. Okay, Cowboys future Hall of Fame guard.
Speaker 1: We can say that with confidence. You look at him
Speaker 1: as an.
Speaker 4: All decade player, the numerous Pro Bowls. When you go
Speaker 4: down the list of people at their jobs and what
Speaker 4: they do, Zach Martin, if you want to tell me
Speaker 4: somebody's better go ahead.
Speaker 1: But he's not a can't see it. He's not a
Speaker 1: camp and he's not happy.
Speaker 4: One of the things that I've said to people, Jerry
Speaker 4: took care of him in his last contract, made him
Speaker 4: the highest paid guard the game. So he was good
Speaker 4: fourteen mil. Okay, but the TV contractor has been resigned.
Speaker 4: The markets are going up, and so top guard Quentin
Speaker 4: Nelson over the Colts former Notre Dame player like Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: Twenty million.
Speaker 6: Pizza gap, right right, that's that's a gap, that's a
Speaker 6: healthy gap.
Speaker 1: So he's not a camp. The Cowboys, I thought, did
Speaker 1: the smart thing. We're not addressing it.
Speaker 4: Never'll talk about go talk about it, because what can
Speaker 4: you say.
Speaker 1: There's really nothing. You don't want anything.
Speaker 4: Here's a player that you love. Okay, clearly everybody loves it. Yes,
Speaker 4: you look at it. Now he's under paid, but this
Speaker 4: is what happened. What's what's what's Mahomes now underpaid by
Speaker 4: see Justin Herbert get paid Caliber, get paid.
Speaker 1: You Patrick Mahomes. I'm better than him.
Speaker 4: So this is this is what the markets do. So heck,
Speaker 4: how do you how do you fix this?
Speaker 5: You know, I know it's it's It shocked me when
Speaker 5: I got the news, first of all, because I think
Speaker 5: we already had Trayvon Days, we had CD Lamb, We're
Speaker 5: even talking about Micah.
Speaker 1: You know what we're gonna do with him.
Speaker 5: The last person that I was thinking that would be
Speaker 5: saying it's my time, my turn is Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's really strange.
Speaker 5: Because the Cowboys organization has paid him early and often
Speaker 5: it seems like they've never been had a misstep with him,
Speaker 5: and Zach Martin, to me, is a made man around here,
Speaker 5: and people won't talk about them dead players that you
Speaker 5: just say, hey, these are made men. Jason Witten one
Speaker 5: of those guys are made man. Zach Martin the best
Speaker 5: at what he does, made man and the market even
Speaker 5: though it's gotten away from the Cowboys, from Quentin Nelson
Speaker 5: to his contract when he signed, like you said, I
Speaker 5: knew he was the highest paid guard in the league.
Speaker 5: But right now this is I don't want to call
Speaker 5: it strong arming, but he's working his leverage to a
Speaker 5: way that I don't think that the Dallas Cowboys anticipated
Speaker 5: him doing it.
Speaker 1: Could have could it.
Speaker 5: Have been worked out a little bit more quieter because
Speaker 5: who do we need more than anybody on that offensive line.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on that, Mark.
Speaker 5: I'm not in a position, No one is in a
Speaker 5: position to act like we don't need this guy. This
Speaker 5: guy ties tern steel and to be hodish and the
Speaker 5: synergy and the way that this whole offensive line works.
Speaker 1: So look, I'm working.
Speaker 5: I'm hoping that this is one of those contracts that
Speaker 5: they can get done quietly without it seemed like, hey,
Speaker 5: he's strong armed, you let him right now, right now.
Speaker 5: They in that situation because he is the guy. You
Speaker 5: absolutely need him. You can't talk about his age, you
Speaker 5: can't talk about his injuries. There's no knock on this
Speaker 5: guy because he has been the best at his position
Speaker 5: for a very long time. And when he comes knocking you, hey,
Speaker 5: you gotta respect it. Even though they don't want to
Speaker 5: talk about it. You gotta respect because.
Speaker 4: There's there's and this is my opinion, you don't talk
Speaker 4: about it because there's nothing you can say. It's gonna
Speaker 4: come out good. I mean, yes, he deserves to get paid. Now, Okay,
Speaker 4: see you said it. Now you know well, yo, you
Speaker 4: kind of contract, you better sign it.
Speaker 1: You better on. There's nothing to say other than to
Speaker 1: me the best thing to.
Speaker 6: Say, talk about it, and that's true. But at the
Speaker 6: end of the day, they gotta pay this man. I mean,
Speaker 6: they got to pay this man. He is the best
Speaker 6: offensive lineman, not only on a Dallas Cowboys team, but
Speaker 6: maybe in the entire NFL. We know he's the best guard,
Speaker 6: but his position flex out there. We've seen this offensive
Speaker 6: line do musical chairs throughout the years.
Speaker 1: They tackle play tackle. Guy can get play. He probably
Speaker 1: plays center if he wants to.
Speaker 6: So, like you said, Knui, I mean he ties everybody
Speaker 6: together on that offensive line, an aging offensive line with
Speaker 6: some young pieces. They need that guy in there, and
Speaker 6: they got to pay him a sap because.
Speaker 1: We don't want this thing to stretch out.
Speaker 4: You know what if it goes in the week one
Speaker 4: and you know we got gotta put ball over there.
Speaker 1: At the guard. These are all possibilities, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, we really can't have that back
Speaker 1: there running for his life. So you gotta pay this man,
Speaker 1: and you gotta be as so as a player, how
Speaker 1: do you inform the team? Oh that that's that's for
Speaker 1: me personally. I'm agent. You gotta handle that because.
Speaker 4: You know he's one of the he's the leader of
Speaker 4: somebody to make the we got to make the coole
Speaker 4: in there. And do you call the coach. I mean
Speaker 4: this McCarthy cay called him up, like, hey, you know,
Speaker 4: that's what's going on here.
Speaker 6: And I'm sure you know macarthy's talked to you know,
Speaker 6: Dak and other leaders of this.
Speaker 1: Team, you know, reach out to Zach.
Speaker 6: You don't see what we can get him in here,
Speaker 6: just to you know, he doesn't have to practice, but
Speaker 6: he can just be around the team. And I'm sure
Speaker 6: they reached out to him. But hey, the man, the
Speaker 6: man's playing the leverage.
Speaker 5: Like you said, he's in a smart movie. It's a
Speaker 5: smart move, and I completely understand it.
Speaker 1: From a players standpoint.
Speaker 5: They have to be more aggressive about the way that
Speaker 5: they get their deals done and the CBA all of
Speaker 5: these things that we've seen be narrated through the media
Speaker 5: on how guys are.
Speaker 1: Not getting paid.
Speaker 5: Zach Martin is not gonna be six million dollars paid
Speaker 5: less than a guy that's not even in his caliber.
Speaker 5: He's the best interior lineman in the league. You have
Speaker 5: to pay him like that. And so that's I mean,
Speaker 5: that's just just okay.
Speaker 4: So, so here's one thing that I have I had
Speaker 4: discussions with people about.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm you know, me and your boy till.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get this story. I'm gonna get this. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna get the story. Go back to go back to
Speaker 4: his time in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: After year one, like that's not it got track, not good.
Speaker 4: I've out performed the contract, lit up, lit up And
Speaker 4: normally when players ask for my money, they get lit up.
Speaker 4: Zack Martin is not being lit up. People are understanding.
Speaker 4: And it goes back to the line I always say
Speaker 4: when I was doing sports radio, it's interesting on who
Speaker 4: we choose to condemn and who we choose to forgive
Speaker 4: who we provide forgiveness to. This is true because at
Speaker 4: the end of the.
Speaker 1: Day, it is sign a contract. The team did make
Speaker 1: him the number one guy.
Speaker 4: Heckma one thing we know, whatever you signed today is
Speaker 4: going to change because of the way the cap keeps
Speaker 4: growing everything else. So you're you know, it's almost like
Speaker 4: trying to time it. Well, you can't really time it right.
Speaker 4: So but as the team go, how are you supposed
Speaker 4: to address this?
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 4: Across the league, if you're Patrick Mahomes, you should be
Speaker 4: in there too. I mean, there's certain players in this
Speaker 4: leaving that Hey, you the best at what you do
Speaker 4: and your spot at Mark's the best of this spot,
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahoons's best spot. No, you counsel, you go, hey,
Speaker 4: we just wanted the super Bowl here you got ridtired.
Speaker 4: I mean you literally can have a line. There's certain
Speaker 4: you could have six seven guys in his league lining
Speaker 4: up saying you know, yo, wet my beak.
Speaker 5: Yeah, those guys, I mean they're making a sacrifice. Don't
Speaker 5: get me Mahomes.
Speaker 1: And his type.
Speaker 5: They're making a sacrifice by not going back to the
Speaker 5: well and saying, hey, pay me what these other guys
Speaker 5: are getting paid.
Speaker 1: That tight end is just.
Speaker 5: As important as any player in the league and what
Speaker 5: he does production wise, I'm saying when it comes to
Speaker 5: Zach Martin, and I think it's really the dynamic between
Speaker 5: the guys that get literally drug through the mud in
Speaker 5: the media and the guys that don't. To me, Zach
Speaker 5: Martin is the most consistent interior lineman to play in
Speaker 5: the NFL in a very long time.
Speaker 1: It's a generational talent holding calls. But I mean these
Speaker 1: are premia numbers are off the charts.
Speaker 5: When you there's no narrative that you could write about
Speaker 5: this guy other than he's really good. And if you
Speaker 5: look at the greatest players of all time, and I'm
Speaker 5: not calling them Michael Jordan or anything like that, but
Speaker 5: drastically underpaid. But in this market, he has to get
Speaker 5: everything that he can. At thirty two years old, he's
Speaker 5: not going to allow for twelve million dollars to go
Speaker 5: through his hands, in his family's hands without getting paid that.
Speaker 5: I mean, Look, if you ever taken the finance class,
Speaker 5: money in the hand is better than money tomorrow.
Speaker 1: You had to get to me right now.
Speaker 4: I've taken taken more than a few of the financially
Speaker 4: called president value versus fellow he need fv Okay.
Speaker 1: So I totally understand it.
Speaker 4: But once again, it's the perception in how players freed
Speaker 4: it and how we go by it. I remember when
Speaker 4: people were having a connection about Dak Prescott, make it
Speaker 4: forty million, ah, forty million, I weren't doing that worth
Speaker 4: it now? I mean, this man, but this man depended right,
Speaker 4: this man is so far down Kyler Murray out here
Speaker 4: playing Xbox make it make it six million more than that,
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 5: And imagine that and BC guy just got paid. I mean,
Speaker 5: come on, and he hadn't even won a playoff game
Speaker 5: and nobody's dragging him.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's interesting when you talk about that.
Speaker 4: Yes, justin Herbert of the charges made and it's been
Speaker 4: like good for him, good for him. And I was
Speaker 4: watching that that Charger Jacksonville game at the gym this week,
Speaker 4: just watching that fourth quarter meltdown. But I'll say this,
Speaker 4: I will say that, but but I just I just
Speaker 4: can chinue there are go.
Speaker 1: I said, who we choose to condemn and who we choose?
Speaker 4: So so Dak is on that lit I hadn't done this,
Speaker 4: prove it that, Just Herbert, come on, get your back.
Speaker 5: And guess and guess what. You gotta get Dak done
Speaker 5: again here pretty soon.
Speaker 4: And and that's that. That's the team's fault. We'll talk
Speaker 4: about that because you go back. I mean I will,
Speaker 4: I will never forget this one being an OX star
Speaker 4: and we're asking the questions after WinCE and Golf got
Speaker 4: that money. Do you know Golf is still on that
Speaker 4: money he signed with the Rams, He's still this is
Speaker 4: last year on it.
Speaker 5: That's how outrageous that contract was at the time.
Speaker 4: But they could have had they could have had dak
Speaker 4: Here'll make it thirty.
Speaker 1: That's true twenty eight.
Speaker 5: At one point I thought was the going raid for
Speaker 5: where he was, and they waited and ended up having
Speaker 5: to be forty million dollars. But I think look front
Speaker 5: office wise, and just going back to going to a
Speaker 5: player like Tony Pollard and where he was last season
Speaker 5: to where he is under the attack. I don't think
Speaker 5: Tony Pollard is is upset about being tagged. No, I
Speaker 5: think he's I mean, some of it works out though.
Speaker 4: Well Stephen right, I meant Stephen Jones said somebody thought
Speaker 4: was kind of right where he says, Look, we offered
Speaker 4: him as long term extension. Tony didn't want it. Now
Speaker 4: we don't know the numbers of it. But I go
Speaker 4: back to last year Schultz was offered long term extentsion.
Speaker 4: He said, no, he's in Houston, shout, don't commitment.
Speaker 1: Just went out here, oh Coke committment. I got he
Speaker 1: making twelve and a half.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 4: I mean so at some point in time, you really
Speaker 4: do need to ask yourself, hey, man, are these dollars
Speaker 4: I'm taking?
Speaker 1: Should I take a long term deal? In Church? You
Speaker 1: played here, you're.
Speaker 4: In Texas free right by yourself, a nice home tax.
Speaker 1: Really you like it here? It's the cowboy, I mean,
Speaker 1: big city, all sports teams, I mean got right.
Speaker 4: So so I don't know exactly what Schultz turned down
Speaker 4: with you.
Speaker 1: Living in Houston.
Speaker 5: Now, yeah, that's an example of bedding on yourself and
Speaker 5: not winning.
Speaker 1: Man, do you have a collachure agent? How does that?
Speaker 1: How does that work? After you know it might have
Speaker 1: been I mean no, I don't want that. I don't
Speaker 1: even know. No, I want that.
Speaker 6: Long term deal and endured and two young cats came
Speaker 6: in and kind of yeah, tight end room had been
Speaker 6: the same since so I kind of brought that on itself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is so so Tony Pollard is apparently
Speaker 4: they offered a deal. He didn't want the deals go
Speaker 4: play out the ten million dollars. Here's the one thing
Speaker 4: we know the way this is going. Tony's not going
Speaker 4: to get ten million dollars next year. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: not get to tech. So so just like don't Show's
Speaker 4: got paid ten point one million dollars.
Speaker 1: You think about don'd show's got paid more, running back don'd
Speaker 1: Show's got paid more?
Speaker 4: Then then the franchise tad for running back last year
Speaker 4: as they tied end. But he's not getting sick. He's
Speaker 4: not getting ten million dollars this year. So once again
Speaker 4: the finance class in might me need to be taught
Speaker 4: nfl P. A guy's got that.
Speaker 5: Everybody get in the right way.
Speaker 1: And that he be present value f the future value
Speaker 1: your dollars.
Speaker 5: Is then what Laby and Bill was apologizing. If I
Speaker 5: mean that is that is the classes example.
Speaker 4: And guys, I shouldn't know that at twelve, I should
Speaker 4: have walked away from twelve million dollars in my pocket.
Speaker 6: But if you're a running back position and you guys
Speaker 6: have this huge you know, zoom call or we gotta
Speaker 6: get our value right and then the main guy behind it,
Speaker 6: you know the very.
Speaker 1: Next day is that you know what to be signed?
Speaker 4: He I mean, first off, at least wait a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks. If training can't stay at home, it's out
Speaker 4: of flex.
Speaker 5: The writings, the writing is on the wall for the position.
Speaker 5: And he come on, man, he saw what everybody else sees.
Speaker 5: But to get that money, you get that money. Okay,
Speaker 5: here's the thing I would have done.
Speaker 4: Okay, the money's gonna be because they clearly they know
Speaker 4: they need it. So it was like they will tear
Speaker 4: up the offer you don't get your ten. I wouldn't
Speaker 4: have been at camp. I'd have found LT went on
Speaker 4: the place with golf of LT. Remember that time when
Speaker 4: LT held out and this show until the first game
Speaker 4: had like two seconds everything in LT.
Speaker 1: So I would have held out.
Speaker 4: I would have gone to the Bahamas and you know,
Speaker 4: taking the pictures instagram, be sitting on the beach.
Speaker 1: I'd enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: But this man folded the cars and he reported the
Speaker 4: I mean, at least take a couple.
Speaker 5: Of weeks off camp on a rookie. A rookie is
Speaker 5: the highest paid running back in the league right now.
Speaker 5: These guys see the writing on the wall. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's not a fair argument to me the way that
Speaker 5: the running back position has been devalued. But I'm telling you,
Speaker 5: for for Tony Pollard when he knew he was getting
Speaker 5: ten million dollars on that tag, oh man, he's celebrated.
Speaker 5: Well he's everything else is gonna be in the what.
Speaker 1: I mean, but you saw he just went he just
Speaker 1: went ahead signed.
Speaker 4: Jacobs didn't sign it, and neither it's Saquon because they're like.
Speaker 1: No, no, and so here it is you have.
Speaker 4: This big you know, this big power. Wow, you'll fight
Speaker 4: the power. You know we are playing public and music.
Speaker 4: You know we all a been welcome to the terra doo.
Speaker 1: We ain't gonna take it.
Speaker 5: You know how the revolution end right bills. You gotta
Speaker 5: get that money doing What are you talking about? Am
Speaker 5: I calling up saying hey, hey, you.
Speaker 4: Know like like to do with the golfing the golf
Speaker 4: and live it's bad.
Speaker 1: You know you don't have to be apologized playing right.
Speaker 1: We got a merger. Uh, I got a merger something
Speaker 1: like that. Man, just like you did. He call everybody else?
Speaker 1: Why take Yeah, I'm folding I got I mean that
Speaker 1: was that was to me. That was just hilarious.
Speaker 6: Why not sign it? And then as the season comes along,
Speaker 6: I can't go this week.
Speaker 1: I got a hamstring. I can't go the very next week.
Speaker 1: My back hurts a little bit. I'm not signed to
Speaker 1: get the money because you know they can find your son,
Speaker 1: your you got to miss him. You got a miss
Speaker 1: to show you serious.
Speaker 5: Man say, looked at the terrain, he saw he looked
Speaker 5: out on the plane and he saw what was coming.
Speaker 5: He said, like, you can still sit at home for
Speaker 5: two months and you know I.
Speaker 1: Would hold on BC. You would have did what I mean,
Speaker 1: I ain't showing up.
Speaker 4: Till August a preseason game of summer.
Speaker 1: Ain't finding you? Right, not finding you. You're gonna get them.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get the money, pulling the offer because they
Speaker 1: need you.
Speaker 5: Okay, I mean, okay, what would that have accomplished? He
Speaker 5: would have missed two weeks of camp and he still
Speaker 5: would have got.
Speaker 1: The same deal. It's fine, but you at least made
Speaker 1: a statement.
Speaker 5: I guess that's that nineteen years of marriage coming in.
Speaker 5: So you know what, it's a losing battle. So you know,
Speaker 5: you know you'll play. You know I got oh so
Speaker 5: it's like you ain't taking it?
Speaker 1: Huh might? I mean they got this man on anything,
Speaker 1: you know, I might. I might have to hold out.
Speaker 1: I might do it. I have to do it, petty.
Speaker 4: And it was like that, like they sat it pins Amen,
Speaker 4: it's five million.
Speaker 1: Well we're gonna what did they give it? What they
Speaker 1: pars too? He got to hit them, man, Okay, they
Speaker 1: can do franchise. Come on, man, you did all that,
Speaker 1: and that means he was gonna do that anyway. Here's
Speaker 1: his agent. Yeah, I got you axtred and nine thousand.
Speaker 4: Right there, you got yours in New York taxis no
Speaker 4: less so oh my gosh, yeah, who hate to see it?
Speaker 1: Hate? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 4: Yeah, man should have been tight end bro, tight end man.
Speaker 4: As I'm being how's this effect down the high school level?
Speaker 4: You start seeing runn backs and get paid.
Speaker 5: Woo hey, the running back line just got shorter and shorter. Boy,
Speaker 5: Nobody signing up for that. Don't matter how many stars
Speaker 5: you give out, Nobody, you're.
Speaker 4: Going to the tight end room. Man, You going to
Speaker 4: going into the defensive end room. I mean you know
Speaker 4: you're gonna do that because it's that. That's what the
Speaker 4: payda's are getting here. I mean, Ezekiel Elliott, he doesn't
Speaker 4: have a deal. I mean you shitting run Like, wow,
Speaker 4: we're sitting here watching good running backs.
Speaker 1: You know, Jacobs led the league in rushing.
Speaker 4: Zekus led there, yes, acting like he got offers.
Speaker 1: He ain't got no you know what, no offer you want?
Speaker 1: He's not gonna get ten million, that's for sure, exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean Davis is not there.
Speaker 4: I mean like, okay, you keep telephone mulleying no, you're
Speaker 4: not like with d Hot was like yeah, I'm looking
Speaker 4: at this stuff.
Speaker 1: No you're not. No, No, he's waiting on Tennessee to call. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's better. Yeah, he's all these requirements you had in
Speaker 1: the quarterback and now you gonna go to sign Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Got you, got you?
Speaker 4: All right, Let's take our first break when we come back.
Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy is calling the plays this year. Jerry Jones
Speaker 4: had thoughts on that. Let's discuss what Jerry had to
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Speaker 4: so by the way, speaking of going to camp, I'll
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Speaker 1: go here to Santa Barbara. Don't go to everybody go
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Speaker 7: First.
Speaker 4: Oh, Santa Barbara beautiful airport. Yeah, it's it's a beautiful.
Speaker 4: It's a Santa Barbara type airport. But it's a quicker drive.
Speaker 1: It's only what thirty minutes from it's about forty minutes.
Speaker 1: But but but just it's the drive. Got a little spot,
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Speaker 4: I got a little fi I got, I got my
Speaker 4: little I got little spots on the way down to
Speaker 4: Cowboys camp here. So Mike McCarthy is calling the place
Speaker 4: this year as the head coach. Kellen Moore now with
Speaker 4: the Chargers. Something that Jerry Jones said the opening press conference,
Speaker 4: maybe said, and he said, this isn't about Kellen. This
Speaker 4: is really about Mike and what Mike can do. Like, well,
Speaker 4: when you hired Mike, you n what Mike could do.
Speaker 4: My McCarthy call plays on a teen to one super
Speaker 4: Bowl in your building. I never thought Mike McCarthy wanted
Speaker 4: Kellen Moore. I always thought Mike McCarthy just okay, they
Speaker 4: like him, So I said, yeah, I'd hire him, even
Speaker 4: though I don't know him.
Speaker 1: You're buying it. I'm nervous.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure about y'all, but I'm a little nervous
Speaker 6: about this about McCarthy going in here calling these plays
Speaker 6: for the office. I mean, he has a super Bowl
Speaker 6: winning coordinator, or he was the head coach and he
Speaker 6: called the play, so I'll give him the coordinator title
Speaker 6: as well.
Speaker 1: He was a super Bowl winner, but that was what
Speaker 1: thirteen years ago?
Speaker 6: Thirteen years ago, and he had a guy by the
Speaker 6: name of Aaron Rodgers at the quarterback position as well.
Speaker 1: Now, Dak Prescott, I'm not saying he's that far beneath
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, but I'm.
Speaker 6: Not saying he's in the same category as an Aaron
Speaker 6: Rodgers as well. And for a guy that hasn't called
Speaker 6: plays in five plus years, he's coming in here saying
Speaker 6: we're gonna run the football. We're getting back to the trenches,
Speaker 6: We're getting to this ground game. We're gonna get back
Speaker 6: to that.
Speaker 1: But what has he done to prove that the action
Speaker 1: speak louder than.
Speaker 4: The world he so, heck, can we go back into
Speaker 4: this whole we're gonna run the football thing? I never
Speaker 4: took Mike McCarthy to say it he's about to become
Speaker 4: Marty shotten him and Marty ball it will ground and pounded.
Speaker 4: I took it as him with Kellen Moore saying, but
Speaker 4: we need to run the football more in certain situations.
Speaker 4: I go back to the Jacksonville game and the Green
Speaker 4: Bay game when I was at you have fourteen point leads.
Speaker 4: You look it up there he got forty eight second
Speaker 4: drive because you went three and out and you're throwing
Speaker 4: the whole time. I took it and saying we need
Speaker 4: to run the ball more in situations to save our defense.
Speaker 1: That's how I took it. What about you?
Speaker 5: Heck, I just I want to go back to your
Speaker 5: original question because I no longer dissect whether Mike MacArthur
Speaker 5: won it, Kellamore or not, because that's too deep.
Speaker 1: They can try and figure out the truth. Throng, right.
Speaker 5: But I think that when you look at this offense
Speaker 5: and you look at the production has the numbers that
Speaker 5: it had last season, you say, what was wrong? They
Speaker 5: are number one point scored. That's the whole point of that.
Speaker 5: He has the whole shell of that. Nothing has changed
Speaker 5: with the talent that production other than now you don't
Speaker 5: have Ezekiel Elliott now you think that you're going to
Speaker 5: have a more explosive offense with Tony Pollard and company.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 1: I don't worry.
Speaker 5: About Mike McCarthy simply because you said he is of
Speaker 5: super Bowl caliber. I think he's had enough opportunity to
Speaker 5: figure out exactly who and what his offense should be. Look,
Speaker 5: the only thing I worry about is mistakes as far
Speaker 5: as clock management things like that, because he's going to
Speaker 5: be so concerned with other things. But as I've known
Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy, I've known him as the guy with the
Speaker 5: laminated play sheet and the guy that was making those
Speaker 5: making those calls out to his offense, I don't see.
Speaker 5: And the whole assumption that he's going to run the ball,
Speaker 5: I ain't. Come on, Man's that's fodder. That's not going
Speaker 5: to happen. The NFL has changed so much that I
Speaker 5: don't think that Mike McCarthy is unaware of that. But
Speaker 5: what I do think that he has to do is
Speaker 5: to mitigate the mistakes from Dak Prescott, to mitigate the
Speaker 5: guesswork by those wide receivers. And we saw it too
Speaker 5: many times. We broke down too much film that saw
Speaker 5: these wide receivers didn't know where they needed to be
Speaker 5: and it came to the point where some thing had
Speaker 5: to be done. They were not just going to stay
Speaker 5: the course with Kellen Moore. Still with my dog Camemore, but.
Speaker 1: Stay the course. I keep doing that.
Speaker 6: You can't be the number one offense over his time
Speaker 6: period as an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: And somehow feel like we're gonna get better. Where are
Speaker 1: you getting better at? I guess time management, but we've
Speaker 1: seen a game management.
Speaker 6: But we've seen from coach McCarthy that can be that
Speaker 6: can be a little bit you know, of a guesswork
Speaker 6: when it comes to him as far as game management.
Speaker 6: So you're saying that he can become better as far
Speaker 6: as saving the defense and making sure we run the
Speaker 6: ball when needed.
Speaker 1: So situational awareness is that what.
Speaker 6: We're saying he could be better at calling the players
Speaker 6: balance while than Kellen Moore.
Speaker 1: I go back to Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 4: That Super Bowl Atlanta, they're up, oh man, Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 4: was out there still trying to be aggressive.
Speaker 1: And not running the football. He's up ten points on
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 4: He stops running football, So you know you got Garmpolo
Speaker 4: missing passes in now Kansas City got the ball back
Speaker 4: through Boom. It's about the situations and while you get
Speaker 4: yourself up the way Shannahan did, go back to Green Bay,
Speaker 4: you're at fourteen, and go back to Jacksonville fourteen, it
Speaker 4: comes the point in time you got to figure, Okay,
Speaker 4: where am I and what do we need to be
Speaker 4: doing to make sure we're taking ourselves where.
Speaker 1: You have to think about the defense now.
Speaker 4: And I say this because I remember many times talking
Speaker 4: to Gary Patterson and TCU and he was coaching over
Speaker 4: the defensive guy and he had these air ray brought in,
Speaker 4: these air ray guys, and he would literally say, I
Speaker 4: have to talk to these guys.
Speaker 1: I need you to run it talking to them things.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you what to call, but I want you
Speaker 4: to run it because we got a defense here that
Speaker 4: needs to stay off the field for a little bit.
Speaker 4: And I think, to me, that was what I felt
Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy was saying. And when he's had the press
Speaker 4: conference at the at the owners meeting, when people blew
Speaker 4: that one up, Oh he's to be slamming Kellen Moore,
Speaker 4: he was a slamming Keller. One of the guy said,
Speaker 4: like fifty million nice things about him, But then he
Speaker 4: brought the point, Hey, look, I've been in kellen shoes
Speaker 4: where I'm an offensive coordinator. I'm trying to score. I'm
Speaker 4: trying to run it. I'm trying to you know, I'm
Speaker 4: trying to be that guy. He said, Well, I'm the
Speaker 4: head coach, head coach, you're trying to win championships, and
Speaker 4: you see it differently. It's all about viewpoints. And it's
Speaker 4: not that he's saying Kellen's wrong. Hey, I was once
Speaker 4: a young play caller. You give me the keys now
Speaker 4: were about to about to show you. And he's saying, hey,
Speaker 4: as a as a head coach, you're looking for the
Speaker 4: whole thing.
Speaker 1: You got to look at the bigger viewpoint here everything.
Speaker 4: So Jacksonville, you need to run the ball more, especially
Speaker 4: after we saw they got on your man, Kelvin Joseph.
Speaker 5: You know on.
Speaker 1: TV it was going, it was.
Speaker 4: Going so all right, they got a little momentum and
Speaker 4: you play there, Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: They got going here, that football chance coming.
Speaker 4: They got going green Bay because that Green Bay game,
Speaker 4: they thought they were going to lose all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter, it's down to seven.
Speaker 1: That crowd is jumping and going you needed to help them.
Speaker 5: I just go back to the fact that there was
Speaker 5: just certain points in the season where the offense just
Speaker 5: looked and theft and it didn't matter whether you call
Speaker 5: it the rhythm with Dak because he hurt his hand
Speaker 5: or you know those things. I just felt like, going
Speaker 5: back to the Green Bay game, there was a bad
Speaker 5: interception in the end zone where either CD LAMB should
Speaker 5: have ran him more flat, he broke it off and
Speaker 5: went over the top of the of the safety and
Speaker 5: consequently there was a turn up. We had many things
Speaker 5: like that happened within the season where guys just looked
Speaker 5: like they were out of place. How many times can
Speaker 5: that happen? And you know, Mike McCarthy's walking into that
Speaker 5: meeting room and saying, look, these are the things that
Speaker 5: just cannot happen. San Francisco, San Francisco. I mean, this
Speaker 5: man has a head Demico Ryans has a head coaching
Speaker 5: job because of the job that he did on a
Speaker 5: lot of these quote unquote big offensive coordinators.
Speaker 1: And he made Kellen Moore look bad.
Speaker 4: So you say Kellen Moore, And in conversations I've had
Speaker 4: with people, they've questioned the wide receivers coach here, Okay,
Speaker 4: So that's going to be an interesting kind of dynamic.
Speaker 4: Is when I go to camp, you know, you talk
Speaker 4: to more people, and you talk to you're able to
Speaker 4: get to folks a little bit off camera.
Speaker 1: That's something thing I'll be interested to see.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's wild because you know, you say, you know,
Speaker 6: Demico Rians may Kellen Moore look bad.
Speaker 1: Wide receivers aren't running this way.
Speaker 6: What does it come down to at the end of
Speaker 6: the day, execution, execution and decision making.
Speaker 1: Yeah, was that ball forced into that that triple coverage? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Was that ball forced the second reception of San Francisco
Speaker 6: where two defenders could have picked it off but the
Speaker 6: linebacker Fred Warner ended up picking up and take. So
Speaker 6: my thing is, I just we can't all just put
Speaker 6: this on Kellen Moore saying his offense was just all
Speaker 6: high powering, say the defense.
Speaker 1: I think it's a combination of the two.
Speaker 6: And maybe you guys are writing a new voice in
Speaker 6: dark Prescott's ear could alleviate some of those, you know,
Speaker 6: decision making opportunities that he gave the defense.
Speaker 5: I agree with you, Barry, I mean, it's all it's
Speaker 5: all going to be on that. That's not even playing
Speaker 5: games about it. It's gonna be on Dak. And Dak
Speaker 5: has to be better.
Speaker 1: He can't play.
Speaker 5: He can't have fifteen interceptions in twelve games. He cannot
Speaker 5: afford to have a repeat of that. And he's already
Speaker 5: said he's not gonna throw ten.
Speaker 1: So okay, no, he's not saying he's going to have ten.
Speaker 4: The quote was, we would not have ten tipped interceptions,
Speaker 4: which is I'm working with the receivers. So we're working
Speaker 4: on making sure your boss, you know that we get
Speaker 4: the thing done because that's a lot of.
Speaker 1: What we saw Jacksonville game, right, So that's what he said.
Speaker 4: He said, I'm not gonna have ten interceptions, not gonna
Speaker 4: have tent to the tipped interceptions.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have the tipped interceptions. So that's what they're
Speaker 1: working on it.
Speaker 5: But this receiving court, this receiving court has to be
Speaker 5: better for dakus. I mean, they can't go, you know,
Speaker 5: to the eighth week of the season before they have
Speaker 5: one hundred yard receiver. I mean, nor Brown was the
Speaker 5: most productive guy they had. And again we can go
Speaker 5: back to the Dak injury and all that, but Ceedee
Speaker 5: Lamb is going to have to emerge as that playmaker
Speaker 5: in this offense, and he's going to have to get
Speaker 5: it going early. He can't wait till you know, the
Speaker 5: week versus Green Bay to get his game.
Speaker 4: Michael Gallup, Okay, Michael Gallup has got to go earn
Speaker 4: his dollars. And that's that's just being straight up and
Speaker 4: not like Michael Gallup, but that's just hey man, you
Speaker 4: got paid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, time to produce.
Speaker 4: Jaylen Tolbert, he was on one O five three the
Speaker 4: fan talking today and then trying to flush you know,
Speaker 4: last year.
Speaker 1: But Jalen Tolbert, it's a third runner. He's going to
Speaker 1: be here. He's got to produce here. So the receiving
Speaker 1: corps does need to better be better.
Speaker 4: But can we just and this is not hating him,
Speaker 4: it's asking guys to live up to what the organization
Speaker 4: believed in you.
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup. We told Amari Cooper bye bye, paid you.
Speaker 1: Jalen Tolbert.
Speaker 4: We used a third round pick Dak Prescott. I told
Speaker 4: him you were the guy. You got to go do
Speaker 4: your job here.
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks he stay healthy, clearly he can he can
Speaker 1: be a difference maker. Absolute so so there's some things
Speaker 1: that you look on paper.
Speaker 4: I like this receiving core better than last year's group
Speaker 4: all day long. But there's still some guys that have
Speaker 4: things to prove here and and this is this is
Speaker 4: this is the beauty of what football is. You've got
Speaker 4: another opportunity. Last year's gone here show what you can do.
Speaker 4: But if these guys can play up to the ability
Speaker 4: that the organization thought they had when they acquired them,
Speaker 4: then you're talking about a really good a really good unit.
Speaker 4: But I thought Clarence Hill, the four Star Telegram, had
Speaker 4: a great point last year when the cowboy stepped on
Speaker 4: the field, almost always they had the.
Speaker 1: Worst receiving core than the other two. I have to
Speaker 1: that that cannot be the case this year. No, it can't.
Speaker 5: And I really I think the one thing that baffles
Speaker 5: me about Ceedee Lamman where he is, even with his
Speaker 5: contract negotiation, when you consider or talk about PFF grades
Speaker 5: or what they consider to be the top ten wide
Speaker 5: receivers in the league, his name is never mentioned.
Speaker 1: His name isn't put in that.
Speaker 5: If he is, he's nine and he's ten, right, And
Speaker 5: so for him, I think the perception around here is
Speaker 5: that he's an elite wide receiver. One hundred and fifty
Speaker 5: seven targets last year one hundred and seven catches.
Speaker 1: That's nothing.
Speaker 5: That's productive. Thirteen hundred yard nine studies. I mean, look,
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, Look, I don't want to get misconscrewed.
Speaker 5: What I'm saying is I need Ceedee Lamb to be
Speaker 5: that early. I don't need him to wait till the
Speaker 5: end of the early.
Speaker 1: Your point is fair. Your point is fair.
Speaker 4: Can we also allow a little bit of grace on
Speaker 4: this last year was his first time being the number
Speaker 4: one guy. Little adjustment, you know, a little punch in
Speaker 4: the mouth here, a little bit, and well he finally
Speaker 4: figured it out. So what the ratings are, and it's
Speaker 4: like it's like stocks's based off last year's returns. Now
Speaker 4: that he knows what it takes, what you have to do,
Speaker 4: I think Cee Lambill be fine. I'm not worried about
Speaker 4: CD LAB, so I don't worry about their rankings. And
Speaker 4: they want to put Terry McLaurin and guys like that,
Speaker 4: that's fine. I'm not worried about that. Brandon cooks and
Speaker 4: healthy Brandon cooks. On the other side, things get things
Speaker 4: can be a lot easier for Ceedee Lamb because you're
Speaker 4: a number one guy with no help over there. You know,
Speaker 4: the maybe maybe somebody goes to show up over here.
Speaker 4: CD and the Maybies, Okay, I think they're gonna be
Speaker 4: okay to ship. Let's get back at this on Friday.
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