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Speaker 1: Game lost, playoff hopes lost. Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show,

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Speaker 1: Paul Calvis, he joins me, he's back from Carolina where

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals were beaten by the Panthers in overtime. But

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Speaker 1: were they In other words, didn't the Cardinals beat themselves?

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode eight

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Speaker 1: thirty five, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Bud to Baker, What heart?

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Speaker 1: What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five.

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Speaker 4: He's it again. Some more hurry magic.

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Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craigcrioler.

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Speaker 1: So I see, Paul, that you did survive Caroline, because

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Speaker 1: as I look at the game book and I know

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Speaker 1: you have an issue when they list what the temperature

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Speaker 1: is at kickoff based off the well, let's just say,

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Speaker 1: as you said, the inaccurate readings that were in place

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Speaker 1: for that game in San Francisco back in early October.

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Speaker 4: That's how we started the power Pole of Ineptitude. The

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Speaker 4: powerpole of incompetence was inspired by the eighty nine degree

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Speaker 4: official temperature reading in Santa Clara when it was closer

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Speaker 4: to one eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: Well you survived that, yeah, and now you have the

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Speaker 1: exact one eighty opposite because according to the game book,

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Speaker 1: temperature at kickoff thirty seven degrees. Windshill, however, made it

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Speaker 4: So for the first time ever, we were really glad

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Speaker 4: that the sun was on the visiting sideline because that's

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Speaker 4: the way for those who aren't aware, when they build

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Speaker 4: these stadiums, they're sure to put the home sideline in

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Speaker 4: the shade and the visiting sideline in the sun, so

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Speaker 4: most of it works to the home team's advantage. Not

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Speaker 4: in Week sixteen, though, because we were more than happy

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Speaker 4: to have the sunshine. In fact, when it finally went

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Speaker 4: below the stadium rim and the entire plane surface was

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Speaker 4: in the shade and no sun whatsoever. It was mid

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Speaker 4: to late fourth quarter. Yeah, it got a little cool

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Speaker 4: down there, but you know, once again, players have the

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Speaker 4: heated benches, they have the blowers. It's sidelined strong when

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Speaker 4: you're outside the box, when you're outside the thirty yard lines, Craig,

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Speaker 4: and you have to tough it out.

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Speaker 1: So Sideline Strong, we need to get a T shirt

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Speaker 1: made up of that, Cody, can you work on that

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Speaker 1: Sideline strong hashtag there for everyone? By the way, I

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Speaker 1: didn't notice, you know, during halftime, you're always it's very subtle.

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Speaker 1: For those that do listen to the broadcast. Stick around

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Speaker 1: for halftime because sometimes you'll get a little insight from Paul.

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Speaker 1: Because I do believe this has happened a couple of

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Speaker 1: times over the course of your career. Working the sidelines.

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Speaker 1: You take advantage of those heated benches when the players

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Speaker 4: Darn touton I do. I mean, there's a you know,

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Speaker 4: a good thirty yards worth of open heated bench available.

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Speaker 4: So I weezing my way in there and some of

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Speaker 4: the equipment guys, and just like you know what, move me.

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Speaker 4: Try just try right now. I'm gonna enjoy three point

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Speaker 4: five minutes of heat. It's the only time in the

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Speaker 4: world I actually wished for a college halftime which goes

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Speaker 4: like forty five minutes. But yeah, Craig, it was, you know,

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Speaker 4: otherwise it's a BA humbug Monday right now.

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Speaker 1: And there's no easy transition here, but hey, let's just

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Speaker 1: jump into it. Cardinals lose thirty six thirty in overtime

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Speaker 1: at Carolina. Record now seven and eights, and yes, the

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Speaker 1: playoffs are not part of the Cardinals future. Eliminated because

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Speaker 1: the Rams won at the Jets. Aaron Rodgers couldn't do

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals solid And as we say, it's cliche any

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Speaker 1: given Sunday, and I'll go back to what Jonathan Gannon

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Speaker 4: plenty of reasons why the Cardinals lost this game. The

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Speaker 4: so were the Cardinals at that very moment, about the.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if there's any way he could have gone, he

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Speaker 4: And there's no doubt he was the Cardinals offense, the

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's a really good game for any running back,

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Speaker 4: There's a reason why Carolina came in dead last and

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Speaker 1: That changed the game. That was your turning point losing

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Speaker 4: Weather was not a factor. Again, I know it said

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Speaker 4: And by the way, the stadium was two thirds full

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Speaker 1: Well, it goes back to, okay, that thirty yard run

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals Locker Room Show. And the first question was

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Speaker 1: the obvious one. Toughest part about the loss.

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Speaker 5: I think the toughest part is just us not starting

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Speaker 3: And what was that stake.

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Speaker 5: I think it was really as simple as we just,

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Speaker 5: Honestly, I don't really put any of it really on

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Speaker 4: Cardinals did it to Philadelphia. And so Cardinals ran for

435
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Speaker 4: over two hundred late last year against the San Francisco

436
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Speaker 4: forty nine ers, who were lucky to get out of

437
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 4: there with a victory, a Niners team that would go

438
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Speaker 4: all the way to the Super Bowl. So Cardinals should

439
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 4: have known in that regard as to the why, as

440
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Speaker 4: to the how, I mean, I can tell you the

441
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Speaker 4: team captains went into action on the sideline early in

442
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Speaker 4: that game. Kylie had a long conversation with Buddha. Buddha

443
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Speaker 4: got the whole defense together, had something to say. James

444
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 4: Connor was working the sideline with the offensive line because

445
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Speaker 4: they had a rough start as well, gave up a sack,

446
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Speaker 4: they had multiple penalties. You know, the run game wasn't

447
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Speaker 4: in gear, and so James Connor and the rest of

448
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Speaker 4: the captains, Kaizier White, you know, they were doing their job.

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Speaker 4: But look, you got to get a response. Whether it's

450
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Speaker 4: because you have one of the top five youngest rosters

451
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Speaker 4: in the league and you're apt to look at a

452
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Speaker 4: team's record and maybe look at their talent level and think, Okay,

453
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Speaker 4: you don't need to bring the full intensity and you

454
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Speaker 4: can save it for Saturday night in prime time against

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Speaker 4: the Rams. No, that's not the way it works in

456
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Speaker 4: the NFL. Maybe they spent too much time watching those

457
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Speaker 4: college football playoff games, most of which were ridiculously lopsided

458
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Speaker 4: in terms of talent level, and thinking, oh, that's what

459
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Speaker 4: we're going to be compared, you know, to the opponent.

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Speaker 4: What you saw some of Notre Dame against Indiana, right

461
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Speaker 4: or SMU getting outclassed. No, that's not the way it

462
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Speaker 4: works in the NFL.

463
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Speaker 1: And I'll give you credit for because you asked that

464
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Speaker 1: to Garrett as well as far as being a young team,

465
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Speaker 1: and he pushed back. He's like no, I mean every

466
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Speaker 1: team is young, and that's that's not a reason. That

467
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Speaker 1: doesn't explain what happened. Yes, there were injuries, there were penalties,

468
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Speaker 1: you couldn't stop the run, which this defense. Again, there's

469
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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of focus on the offense and

470
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, but the defense allowing a season high two

471
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Speaker 1: hundred and forty three rushing yards. I mean they did

472
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Speaker 1: get a stop in overtime to give the Cardinal an

473
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Speaker 1: opportunity on that first possession for the offense in which

474
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Speaker 1: they were forced to punt the football. But yeah, this

475
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: is gonna sting, and as Jonathan Gannon said postgame, we

476
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Speaker 1: haven't done enough. And it starts with me in respects

477
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Speaker 1: to being a playoff team, because here we sit here

478
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Speaker 1: days before Christmas, Paul, and this Cardinals team has two

479
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Speaker 1: games left. And yes, you can double your win total,

480
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Speaker 1: you can play the role of spoiler knocked the Rams,

481
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Speaker 1: help to knock the Rams out of playoff consideration. That's

482
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Speaker 1: all on the table. But the fact that at one

483
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Speaker 1: point you were six and four, you're one and four

484
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Speaker 1: since and now gonna be watching playoff football instead of

485
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Speaker 1: participating in playoff football.

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Speaker 4: So if you're making your list and you're checking it

487
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Speaker 4: twice this holiday season. Yeah, there are boxes you want

488
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Speaker 4: to check in these next two games. I'll start with

489
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Speaker 4: the two first round picks. I'll start with Marvin Rrison

490
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Speaker 4: Junior and Darius Robinson. Obviously, want to see more of

491
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Speaker 4: a downfield passing attack featuring wide receiver one. You want

492
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Speaker 4: to see the target to catch ratio go way up.

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Speaker 4: You want to see some of those contests to catches

494
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Speaker 4: end up in favor of Marvin Harrison Junior. You know,

495
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 4: those were two big targets in overtime there where they

496
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 4: came up empty. Darius Robinson not sure where he ended

497
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 4: up in the box score, but didn't call his name

498
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Speaker 4: a whole bunch in the game. Now, that was sort

499
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Speaker 4: of the norm for the rest of the defensive front

500
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 4: to be honest in a lot of different ways. But

501
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Speaker 4: you want to see those two guys take a big

502
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Speaker 4: step forward, and then we'll see if the Cardinals just

503
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Speaker 4: in general can get the downfield passing attack in gear,

504
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Speaker 4: especially to the receivers.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of the big focal point. It certainly was

506
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Speaker 1: on Cardinal talk and trying to figure out why is

507
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: this passing game not materialized? When you have a quarterback

508
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Speaker 1: who can throw the ball deep and you have a

509
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Speaker 1: collection of wide receivers at least you thought coming into

510
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: this season that could make those catches. And yeah, it

511
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 1: was noticeable and overtime, first and second down, Kyler looking

512
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Speaker 1: to Marvin Harrison Junior, both passes falling complete. Now is

513
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Speaker 1: their tight coverage? Sure, maybe Marvin needs to get strong,

514
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: a little bit more aggressive and come back for that football.

515
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Speaker 1: But that helped derail that drive because on fourth and

516
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: two at your own eighteen. Yet at that point you've

517
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Speaker 1: got to be able to maintain possession of the football.

518
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Speaker 1: And we did see Michael Carter get that first down

519
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: run before. Well, then all of a sudden delay a

520
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: game and you get sacked, and well, how the game

521
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: started is how the game finished, with once again penalties

522
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: and going backwards as opposed to going forwards.

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Speaker 4: And look a lot of these plays where they're coming

524
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Speaker 4: up empty, Kyler to Marmon Harrison Junior. You can't replicate

525
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 4: in practice or at least in today's NFL. You will

526
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Speaker 4: not throw a fade good against Good in the end

527
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Speaker 4: zone and have two guys battle for it like you

528
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Speaker 4: would in a game condition. You just can't replicate that

529
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Speaker 4: in practice. So it's the learning curve is played out

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Speaker 4: to a large degree on the game field on game day,

531
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Speaker 4: and I get it. I'm as guilty as anyone taking

532
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Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison Junior number four overall and just penciling him

533
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Speaker 4: in Jamar Chase production, justin Jefferson production right from the

534
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Speaker 4: get go. Some guys take a longer time. We've talked

535
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Speaker 4: about it for over a month now. Trey McBride was

536
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Speaker 4: that guy. His rookie year. Wasn't until midway through last

537
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Speaker 4: year's second year where he really exploded onto the scene.

538
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Speaker 4: So maybe there is just a longer ramp up for

539
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Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison Junior. But with two games to go, there

540
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Speaker 4: is an opportunity for him to go into the offseason

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Speaker 4: and display some of those winning behaviors by productive NFL

542
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Speaker 4: receivers and winning the one on ones, winning the contested catches.

543
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Speaker 4: Coming back to the football, you know, getting your body

544
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Speaker 4: in position between the defender and Kyler Murray. You know

545
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Speaker 4: the Cardinals are doing I think a pretty good job

546
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Speaker 4: of getting him in motion a lot. Drew Petsing talked

547
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Speaker 4: about that, and so you're trying to do different things

548
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 4: in different ways to get him that separation and then

549
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Speaker 4: get him the ball. And it's those details that Jonathan

550
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Speaker 4: Gannon refers to repeatedly in the passing attack that you

551
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Speaker 4: hope improve over these last two.

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Speaker 1: Games, Marvin targeted eight times, had just four receptions. Kyler

553
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Speaker 1: Murray's numbers twenty of thirty two two hundred and two yards,

554
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: a touchdown, an interception once again, nine interceptions this season,

555
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Speaker 1: six of those happening since the bye week, and a

556
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Speaker 1: couple of different points in that second half because you're

557
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Speaker 1: on the sideline, Paul, and again, sometimes where the action is.

558
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're right there, sometimes you're not so correct me

559
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong here. But obviously on Cardinal Talk a

560
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: lot of discussion about Kyler Murray and his performance or

561
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Speaker 1: lack thereof, and then the interception. It's third and eleven.

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Speaker 1: I know Jonathan Gannon told you, told reporters that Kyler's

563
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: making a play, which he is, and mentioned that that

564
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Speaker 1: was as good as a punt. Yet at the same time,

565
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Speaker 1: if it's fourth down after an incompletion, I think with

566
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Speaker 1: about three minutes to go, you're gonna go for it.

567
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: In that situation, you're not gonna punt the ball. Away,

568
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,479
Speaker 1: but Kyler was trying to make a play. He had

569
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Speaker 1: Greg Dortch Trey McBride open underneath. Kyler said he saw

570
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: both of them elected to go deep to Michael Wilson

571
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: and it was severely underthrown and that ended that drive.

572
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: Fortunately the Cardinals would get one more possession. However, that's

573
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Speaker 1: again you're hoping that your quarterback can make that play

574
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Speaker 1: and maybe a better decision.

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Speaker 4: All right, So he was coming to the Cardinals sideline

576
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 4: and he wasn't very far from me at all. It

577
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 4: was right in front of us. And my initial assessment

578
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 4: of that play is does Kyler have the arm strength

579
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Speaker 4: to make that throw? Yes, if he has a chance

580
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 4: to set his feet, if he has a chance to

581
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 4: load up and launch. But he didn't. He was on

582
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Speaker 4: a dead sprint laterally across the field almost towards the

583
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Speaker 4: Cardinal sideline. So why while his momentum has taking him

584
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 4: out of bounds trying to evade the defender, the pass

585
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 4: is trying to go straight downfield. Came out of his hand,

586
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 4: It fluttered a little bit of a wind at that point,

587
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 4: which made the Chad Ryland fifty eight yard field goal

588
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 4: even more remarkable because that was the same end of

589
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Speaker 4: the field. The ball going in the same direction got

590
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 4: caught up on the wind, had no chance. It ended

591
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Speaker 4: up between Michael Wilson or Trey McBride, where there were

592
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 4: two defenders, ended up being picked off. But at that

593
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Speaker 4: very moment, because it was third down, either throw it

594
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 4: away or you just lower the shoulder pads or run

595
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 4: when you can and get out of bounds to try

596
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 4: and make it forth and somewhat manageable at that point,

597
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 4: give yourself a shot. But yeah, the decision to go

598
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 4: for it all and knowing how difficult that throw was,

599
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 4: just in terms of this sheer yardage, I think that's

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Speaker 4: what stood out to most of.

601
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Speaker 1: Us next play to discuss because credit to the defense,

602
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: they forced the Panthers to punt. Even though we did

603
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Speaker 1: see Dan Chasenna with a twenty three yard reception, the

604
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: former Cardinals wide receiver and patch was well on that

605
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: one third and five. All of a sudden, here Dan

606
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: Chasinna is like, that's where he's at. I literally, I

607
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: literally did a spit take on the sideline. I'd seen

608
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Speaker 1: his name on the roster earlier. I didn't even quite

609
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Speaker 1: realize he was active or getting reps and the and

610
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Speaker 1: when he caught that ball in a critical situation, I

611
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Speaker 1: mean I was ready to spit the gatorade all over

612
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Speaker 1: the place.

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Speaker 3: My goodness.

614
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Speaker 1: Well, Kyler has another opportunity, minute forty seven to go,

615
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: one time out, ball your own twenty six yard line,

616
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Speaker 1: Trey McBride, a great juggling catch, eleven yards, you convert

617
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: a third and four. Kyler runs for five. But on

618
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: that play, did he or did he not get out

619
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Speaker 1: of bounds? Because there was, as I said, say the

620
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: word chaos, because it certainly did look like Kyler got

621
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Speaker 1: out of bounds. In fact, that official near right there

622
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: signaled stop the clock, and then all of a sudden,

623
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Speaker 1: I saw another replay. I don't know if it was

624
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Speaker 1: the same official or a different one, but there was

625
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 1: another official that after signaling or we saw the signal

626
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: of stop the clock, wound up that arm again. And

627
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: the play clock is going and passes right on it.

628
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: He pays attention to everything. You have one time out left,

629
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Speaker 1: and that clock is ticking. Fortunate that they were able

630
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Speaker 1: to get the time out with two seconds left to

631
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Speaker 1: set up check Land to beat Chad Ryland a fifty

632
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: eight yard field goal. But that moment, all of a sudden,

633
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: I was feeling good, Hey, Kyler owing up for the

634
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: mistake earlier, drive the length of the field, maybe even

635
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: score at that point, Why settle for a field goal?

636
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: But it was that chaotic situation there where I don't know,

637
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: maybe four or five, six, seven, eight seconds ticked off

638
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: the clock because there was confusion at least watching it

639
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: that Okay, was he out of bounds? Was he not?

640
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: Because that's a big play or a big decision by

641
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Speaker 1: the official.

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00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 4: Here's my theory, because that was came right to the

643
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Speaker 4: Cardinals sideline obviously, and I was standing right there in

644
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 4: the chaos. To me, the coaches were on it. They

645
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 4: looked down the sideline, Kyler's out of bounds, okay, and

646
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 4: then in a delayed, late fashion, the side judge then

647
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: wound the clock. But they had already looked down that

648
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 4: sideline and determined there was no immediate signal from the official,

649
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 4: and so they look, Okay, he's out of bounds, because

650
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Speaker 4: it's certainly a p out of bounds, and then they started,

651
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 4: you know, talking and game planning and trying to figure out, okay,

652
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 4: what's the next move here. Meanwhile, while they had turned

653
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 4: back and weren't conferring and basically huddling up the coaches.

654
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 4: Unbeknownst to them beside, Judge winds the clock and it

655
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Speaker 4: starts ticking because he didn't make the call right away,

656
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 4: and there were a number of people on the Cardinals

657
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 4: sideline who took umbrage with the fact that it was

658
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 4: a delayed signal as to the clock was still ticking.

659
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 4: You got to be on that. I mean, every moment counts,

660
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 4: and that includes the officials. Got to you gotta let

661
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Speaker 4: both sidelines know whether that that player is out of

662
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 4: bounds or not, and him taking time to decide and

663
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Speaker 4: make the signal. I think that's was what was a

664
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Speaker 4: little bit of a curveball for everyone.

665
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Speaker 1: Again, I mean, there are certainly reasons for why the

666
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: Cardinals lost the game, and you can point to officials, penalties,

667
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: injuries or whatever, but again, this was a game in

668
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: which the Cardinals needed to have, they needed they needed

669
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Speaker 1: to win. Yeah, they could have lost as long as

670
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: the Rams had lost, but those games are going on

671
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: at the same time. And then in fact the Rams

672
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: Jets game that was that game was flying by. It

673
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: was well over before the Cardinals had gotten into overtime,

674
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Speaker 1: so you knew you needed to win, and unfortunately the

675
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: Cardinals did not. And again there's a lot to blame

676
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Speaker 1: or point to as far as why this happened, And

677
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: there is no one person or no one unit, despite

678
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Speaker 1: what the phone calls we got on Cardinal talk because

679
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of angst about the quarterback. But at

680
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: the same time, you know the defense on that game

681
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: winning drive Chewba Hubbard two runs twenty eight yards and

682
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: twenty one yards. I mean, it's a long game, it's

683
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: several plays, and that defense, that front seven has been

684
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Speaker 1: banged up and losing bodies and maybe playing a little

685
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: bit more, playing better than perhaps anticipated. Yet at the

686
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: same time, you got to be able to make a tackle,

687
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Speaker 1: got to be able to maybe be able to make

688
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Speaker 1: a stop there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no doubt. And the defense had been on

690
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Speaker 4: the bench for a while and it's ice cold at

691
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 4: that point, and they looked ice cold, and when they

692
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 4: went back on the field, and I get it, you

693
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 4: gotta be better. As for Kyler, I would say this,

694
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 4: it's it's how Kyler has played, not overall. It's how

695
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 4: Kyler has played with the game on the line. It's

696
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 4: the end of the Minnesota game. It's key moments in

697
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 4: the second half at Seattle. You know, it's those moments.

698
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 4: It's not the overall play, it's the play with the

699
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 4: game on the line and the Cardinals being in these

700
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 4: close one score games and the good teams win the

701
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 4: one score games. I think I saw where Jacksonville it's

702
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 4: two to nine in one score games. Okay, so is

703
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 4: Jacksonville close to being a good team. Most people would

704
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 4: say no, but they're still close on the scoreboard. That's

705
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 4: the way it works in the NFL. And so it's

706
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 4: these games that come down to the very end, which

707
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 4: is all, which is more than the majority of the games,

708
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 4: and that's what has been lacking after the buy. Now,

709
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 4: can you cite the caliber of the competition when you

710
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 4: play Seattle twice and you play Minnesota. Absolutely in this game, yeah,

711
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 4: it's more self inflicted than anything. And I think that's

712
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 4: where the frustration level comes into play. And the fact

713
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 4: it was a game at the end is because of

714
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 4: what happened at the very beginning of the game.

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Speaker 3: Over the first quarter and a.

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Speaker 1: Half, Cardinals unfortunately on the wrong end of a thirty

717
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: six to thirty decision in Carolina losing in overtime, eliminated

718
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Speaker 1: from the playoffs. You've got two games left on the

719
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: road at the Rams home to the forty nine ers,

720
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: and the Rams winning in New York. They lead the

721
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: NFC West with a nine and six record, the Seahawks

722
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: still alive, but now all of a sudden, the Cardinals

723
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: sitting there at third place. And you know, you play

724
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: the role of spoiler. Win These two games finished nine

725
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: to eight, four and two in the division. Those are

726
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: all great numbers, but I think it's going to be

727
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: hard for a lot of fans to kind of move

728
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: past where this team once was after Week ten.

729
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: I get it.

730
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: Yet at the same time, it's how you finish these

731
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: final two games, and those players in that locker room,

732
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, what do you do, who shows up?

733
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Speaker 1: How do you respond? Or we get different answers if

734
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: you don't respond.

735
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll know right away on Saturday night. We'll know

736
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 4: whether the Cardinals are there to play, if they're there

737
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: to compete, if they're there to play. The spoiler be

738
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 4: the mean one, mister granch against the Rams and whatever

739
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,959
Speaker 4: playoff aspirations they still have and all that, and it'll

740
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 4: be a test because the Rams the last two years.

741
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 4: Look at the Rams they started one in four and

742
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 4: now they're in the best position to win the division.

743
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's part of the disappointment as well. The

744
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 4: division itself this year so winnable there for the taking,

745
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 4: and it would have been great to set up a

746
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 4: Saturday Night winner, you know, take all type game and

747
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 4: go for the season series sweep over the La Rams.

748
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 4: At the same time, if there's one thing that MANIACI

749
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 4: for and Jonathan Gannon have proved, they don't hesitate to

750
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 4: make changes. So if you're a Cardinals player, virtually any

751
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 4: players save a handful of guys, yeah, your Cardinal's future

752
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 4: could be on the line these last two games based

753
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 4: on what you put on film and what you bring

754
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 4: to the game in terms of intensity, level and production.

755
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be hard for fans to get up

756
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: for these games, and I get it, But for those players,

757
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: there might not be two more important games remaining on

758
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 1: the schedule. As far as are they here, are they

759
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: not here going into twenty twenty five and year three

760
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 1: under MANI and JG. But big disappointment. I'm gonna try

761
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: to uplift things here because I don't want this to

762
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: be a downer. Here on a Monday morning, two days

763
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: before Christmas. By the way, programming note, because Christmas Day

764
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Speaker 1: falls on a Wednesday, no Cardinals cover two. We're gonna

765
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: give everyone a little bit of a break. We'll rejoin

766
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: you on Friday for our Football Friday edition before the

767
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: Cardinals travel to La to face the Rams on Saturday. So,

768
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm guessing your holiday shopping pall is

769
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: complete or you're actually got to go out and do

770
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: that right after we get done.

771
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 4: You want to quick you want to Polly postcard from

772
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 4: from Carolina?

773
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: You had Saturday? Did you go shopping on Saturday? Carolina?

774
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: I should have.

775
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 4: Actually, what I realized too late was a kitty corner

776
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 4: from the hotel, probably about a half mile or so,

777
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 4: was a nice little walk, brisk walk, and there's a

778
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 4: big shopping complex, and you know, and Wolf and I

779
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 4: went over there, grab lunch, watch some of the games

780
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 4: and so forth. If I was smart, I would I

781
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,479
Speaker 4: would actually been more efficient with the shopping. I Wasn't

782
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 4: you know who was smart? Tip Ryman. And whereas Wolf

783
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 4: and I were walking over there, and I had four

784
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 4: count the four layers on because it was thirty something degrees.

785
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 4: Tip Ryman was wearing shorts and a T shirt what

786
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 4: any of us would wear on one hundred degree day

787
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Speaker 4: in Arizona. Tip Ryman with his shopping bag and all

788
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 4: because the players had like a two hour window on

789
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 4: Saturday to themselves and he's coming back. But I'm like,

790
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 4: that says it.

791
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: All right there.

792
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 4: If I could take a picture right now, I would.

793
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 4: I mean, there's Tip Ryman in thirty something degrees in

794
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 4: it's in a G shirt, walking back with his shopping

795
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 4: bag for the missus.

796
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Speaker 1: By the way, as we segue here, is that worthy

797
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: of the Angry Bird Award winner? I mean, we're looking

798
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: for something here. There wasn't a lot of positives outside

799
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: of James Connor. But then he gets hurt. But can

800
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: you can you give it to somebody who who stood

801
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: out the day before the game.

802
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 4: You know, that does give me pause for thought, because

803
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 4: I was heavily leaning towards James Connor just based on

804
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 4: what he brought and how inspirational was and everything he

805
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 4: did in that two and a half quarters. Tip Ryman, Yeah,

806
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 4: he gets honorable mention, maybe others receiving votes. I just

807
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 4: don't see how I cannot give it to James Connor

808
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 4: in terms of being the angry, most hillatious play or player.

809
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 4: It was definitely James Connor. There's just he separated himself

810
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 4: from every other player in at Cardinals uniform. And again,

811
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 4: you know, bad luck, call what you will. When he

812
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 4: went down, it's just you add that sinking feeling. So

813
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 4: did the Cardinals chain to win.

814
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: Nineteen total touches one hundred and sixty six yards from scrimmage.

815
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Speaker 1: He has set a new single season career high as

816
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: far as rushing yards are concerned, has the fourth most

817
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: rushing yards in team history, tied for the second most

818
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns in team history.

819
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Speaker 4: Wow.

820
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Speaker 1: And the good thing is that he is under contract

821
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: for a couple more seasons to get closer and closer

822
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: and rewrite the history book. By the way, James Connor

823
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: led the team in rushing and receiving. Second time he

824
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: has led the team in receiving. Week ten against the

825
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: Jets was the first time. And I went back deep

826
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: dive something maybe we can flush out, maybe in the offseason.

827
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Speaker 1: But the Cardinals have not had a wide receiver lead

828
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Speaker 1: the team in receiving as far as receiving yards since

829
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Speaker 1: Week five. Wow, So the first five games of the

830
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: regular season, a wide receiver, whether Greg Dors, Marvin Harrison Junior,

831
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: or Michael Wilson, led the team in receiving yards has

832
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: not happened. Since Week five, It's either been Trey McBride

833
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: or James Connor.

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Speaker 4: That's not some sort of statistical anomaly. That is telling.

835
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 4: That's significant. That illustrates and demonstrates the need to get

836
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 4: the downfield passing attacking gear something we started this podcast

837
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 4: with talking about that is a box you need to

838
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 4: check over these last two games. What can you do

839
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 4: and how quickly can you do it to try and

840
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 4: remedy that aspect of a Cardinals offense. That if you

841
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 4: did have more of a downfield passing game where you're

842
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 4: thrown to the second and third level with more frequency

843
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 4: and you're getting more respect from a defense, it would

844
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 4: open everything up. Think of how much more productive James

845
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 4: Connor would be if teams had to respect that aspect

846
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 4: of the Cardinals offense.

847
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 3: So yes, I'm.

848
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 4: Very curious to see if there's anything they can do

849
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 4: this year and then obviously in the offseason. Okay, that's

850
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 4: got to be one of your top three priorities obviously

851
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 4: on offense, along with continuing to bolster the offensive line.

852
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: The immediate priority, though, Paul, is the holiday shopping, So

853
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: get on that.

854
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 4: Or oh my goodness, I mean the urgency. The intensity

855
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 4: is very real right now. I'll be running the no huddle,

856
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 4: the two minute drill, effective clothes of business today. We'll

857
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 4: see how late these shops are open, because you have

858
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 4: at least one customer coming your way.

859
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 1: Well, the Cardinals have work to do, Paul has work

860
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: to do. Hope everyone enjoys their holiday. Merry Christmas, burg Gang,

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Speaker 1: and we will talk to you again on Friday. On

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Speaker 1: that note, we'll put a lid on this edition of

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive producer

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Speaker 1: Jim Mama Hunter, our associate producer Cody Fincher. For Paul Calvic,

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