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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool be Booted Cool Stuff. You're

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Speaker 2: weekly reminder that where there's bad things, there's people fighting

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Speaker 2: against the bad things. I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and

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Speaker 2: my guest this week is Bridget Todd.

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Speaker 3: Hi. Hi, so excited to be here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, the recordings always come after this. My

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Speaker 2: work week is a saw wave where it just like

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Speaker 2: builds and builds and builds, and then I record all

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Speaker 2: of the episodes and then I collapse and then my

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Speaker 2: brain turns into goo. And so I'm always like, right

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Speaker 2: before I hit record, I'm like, I'm so tired, I

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Speaker 2: can't have a thought, but instead I fall into sort

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Speaker 2: of a manic state and record. I don't know why

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you this or everyone who's listening this, but anyway, Bridget,

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Speaker 2: that's a great guest.

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Speaker 3: You don't seem goo or manic brains to me.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, thanks thanks. Our producer is Sophie Hi, Sophie.

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Speaker 1: Hi Magpie, Hi, Bridget.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Sophie Hey, Anderson.

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Speaker 2: Hello Anderson named after this week's hero, and also Hi Rory,

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Speaker 2: our audio engineer, Hi Rory, Hi.

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Speaker 3: Riory, Hi Roy Magpie.

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Speaker 1: Is there also a character in this episode named after

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Speaker 1: my other dog.

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Speaker 4: No, oh, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: You gotta start doing Sophie's dog themed episodes.

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Speaker 2: All of them should get an episode. That's a good idea, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: especially if we can find the duo.

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Speaker 1: Magpie apologized to Truman.

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Speaker 2: Truman, I'm so sorry. Usually when your namesake appears in

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Speaker 2: these episodes, it's not positive.

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Speaker 1: People thought I named her after him.

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Speaker 5: It's like, no, she's named after Truman Burbank from The

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Speaker 5: Truman Show.

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Speaker 3: Be so for real, Be so for real.

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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna name my dog after a president Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: So we are on part two of a two parter

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Speaker 2: about the raiders of Harper's Ferry. And while John Brown

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Speaker 2: has woven throughout, it is not the main character because

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Speaker 2: he's the main character. Enough, nothing but love for that man,

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Speaker 2: But he's not the main character today. That said, we're

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Speaker 2: is kind of the road to Harper's Ferry section, right,

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Speaker 2: and most of the raiders, their road to Harper's Ferry

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Speaker 2: takes them through Kansas. You ever heard of Bleeding Kansas?

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Speaker 2: I have not, which is a very metal There's so

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Speaker 2: much metal stuff going on in here. There's so many

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Speaker 2: going to be at least several sorts. Since eighteen twenty,

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Speaker 2: there had been this Missouri Compromise where new states in

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Speaker 2: based on their latitude. I think that's how they phrased it.

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Speaker 2: But in eighteen fifty four, the Kansas Nebraska Act said

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Speaker 2: So people on both sides of the issue would flood

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Speaker 2: hoping to cover at more length. One day, called Bleeding Kansas,

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that's how they would have phrased it,

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Speaker 3: I mean what's more metal than that?

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Speaker 2: Well, they did the killing with swords.

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Speaker 3: That you did up the metal ante on that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also guns. And it's interesting I fell on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't believe people would say that with a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do wonder sometimes when I'm like, because I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, Like, all right, go off and get on

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Speaker 2: A black gunsmith was there and his name was Gunsmith.

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Speaker 3: That's like your name being Margaret podcast.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, exactly.

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Speaker 4: No exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Emperor is the one I've been waiting to talk about.

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Speaker 2: He believed that he was descended from African royalty. We've

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Speaker 2: Douglas basically wished him luck, and then he said I

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Speaker 2: Prove you know how to do what you saying you're

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Speaker 3: It's great here they are.

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Speaker 2: And Bridget, I think you have one more sponsor of

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Speaker 3: good comb. You might not think about it, but a

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Speaker 2: It's important to have a good comb. So the Raiders

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Speaker 2: It sounds a bit fantastical, but the thing is this

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Speaker 3: You know. Yeah. Imagine being like the people that I

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Speaker 2: What's wild is that they felt that way even after

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Speaker 2: Later, a lot of the enslaved people who joined the

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Speaker 2: least one hundred and fifty and some estimates of substantially

436
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 2: more people who were like ready to go, you know, but.

437
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 4: They did it.

438
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: Anyway, they moved the raid up, and then they raided

439
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 2: on October sixteenth. They ate a dinner together as per usual,

440
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 2: and then they headed out into the misty night at

441
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 2: eight pm and started on foot towards Harper's ferry. They marched,

442
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: as Osborne Anderson put it, because he's the only one

443
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: who survives to write about what happened. They marched as

444
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 2: solemnly as a funeral procession. And then just because you're like,

445
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 2: there have there's been enough swords in this story.

446
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: Lately, more swords.

447
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: Well, more swords are about to enter the picture. Six

448
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 2: of them peeled off towards the estate of Lewis Washington.

449
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: Lewis Washington was a slaver, and his last name wasn't

450
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: a coincidence. He was the grand nephew of George Washington,

451
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 2: the most famous slaver of all. Lewis had George Washington's

452
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: sword in his possession, which had been given to George

453
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: Washington by the King of Prussia. And the reason that

454
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 2: they knew he had this sword is that their spy,

455
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: the aristocrat named Cook, had been hanging out at the

456
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: guy's house. Right So, Cook and a bunch of other people,

457
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: including Anderson are like, we're gonna go over there and

458
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: we're gonna take this guy hostage and make him give

459
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: George Washington's sword to Osborne Anderson, a black man.

460
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: I love the like petty symbolism of that. Like he's

461
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 3: gonna hate it, I know, And you know what, he

462
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 3: did hate it. Oh, surprise of rise. They showed up.

463
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 2: They took him and his family hostage, and they made

464
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: him hand over the sword. As best as I can tell,

465
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 2: I couldn't find out what happened to the sword later.

466
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 2: I assume it God captured again. But Lewis Washington was like,

467
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: I handled it bravely. All other accounts are like he

468
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 2: just baled and begged and cried the whole time. And

469
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: one of the people who did it, one of the

470
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: people who took him hostage was the guy who'd been

471
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: pretending to be his friend for a year. I love

472
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: it so much.

473
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 3: God to be a fly on the wall when he

474
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 3: was like, oh, my friend is turning on me.

475
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 4: Yeah.

476
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: They then stopped another estate and took more hostages. The

477
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: idea was that they were going to take the rich

478
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: people hostage, and then they actually took care of the

479
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: before they went out They were like, we're only going

480
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: to kill people on self defense. We're going to treat

481
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: the hostage as well. They like set some ground rules down.

482
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: They stopped at another state. I wouldn't have cared if

483
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 2: they killed these people. I want to be really clear

484
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: about that. But they didn't, and it was nice of them.

485
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: They get to Harper's ferry. The raiders cut the telegraph

486
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 2: wires on both sides of the Potomac River to slow

487
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 2: news getting out. They took the armory and the arsenal.

488
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: What is the difference between an armory and arsenal. I

489
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: don't know, and neither does Google. And they also took

490
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: the rifle works, and I'm sure some listener knows the difference.

491
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: And you know what, I'll actually be curious if you

492
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: tell me. A great deal has been made by people

493
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 2: like the Daughters of the Confederacy about the first person

494
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: to die in the raid. The first person to die

495
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: in the raid was a free black man named Haywood

496
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: Shepherd who worked on the trains. Raiders told him to stop,

497
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: like the train stopped and he got off to be

498
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 2: like what's going on? And they were like, hey, stop

499
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 2: and he kept walking and they didn't know who he was.

500
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: They didn't know what Racey was, and they shot him

501
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: and they killed him. Ever since, people have been like, see,

502
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 2: the raiders don't care about black people specifically. There is

503
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: a giant memorial to this man in Harper's Ferry today,

504
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 2: built and maintained by the Daughters of the Confederacy. Next

505
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 2: To it is a park service sign explaining how Heywood

506
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: Shepherd has been used as a pro Confederacy and pro

507
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 2: slavery martyr ever since. About the myth of the loyal

508
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: slave even though he was a freeman who had died,

509
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: makes me real sad.

510
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: I can see why your trip to Harper's Ferry was

511
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: a weepy one.

512
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, it was just it was yeah. Enslave

513
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: people came out to help the insurrectionists and were handed

514
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: pikes and left in charge of the hostages. No one

515
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 2: quite seems to know exactly how many of them there were,

516
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: between fifteen and fifty, probably in the twenty ish range,

517
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: but maybe that's like whenever I see the numbers being

518
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: bandied around, it kind of pick one.

519
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 4: That sounds reasonable to me. I don't know.

520
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: They were rather courteous to the prisoners. They let the

521
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: hostages eat food delivered from hotels, and meet with their

522
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: families like they set up visiting hours for their families.

523
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: Local militia showed up to fight the raiders, and then

524
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: the fighting began. The militia also stopped by to break

525
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: into it. There's a bunch of racist violence. It's about

526
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 2: to happen.

527
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: Uh.

528
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: The militia stopped by to break into a local jail

529
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 2: and hang a random black prisoner, because racists never change.

530
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: Dangerfield Nubi, the Blacksmith, the old the oldest raider besides

531
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: John Brown. He opened fire as the militia approached. He

532
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: killed an Irish grocer and a slaver who'd graduated West Point.

533
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: Dangerfield and Emperor then ran for cover. I've read it's

534
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: Dangerfield and Emperor, and I've read it's Dangerfield and another

535
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: enslaved person who is there who's unnamed. I don't know which,

536
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna use Emperor for this. Newby was shot

537
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: by a sniper in the window. The oldest of the

538
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: raiders besides John Brown, he was the first of them

539
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: to die. Emperor then shot and took out that sniper

540
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: A second later. Dangerfield was left to die in the street,

541
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: and White towns. People before he was even dead, started

542
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: cutting up his body to take pieces as souvenirs.

543
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 4: Ugh.

544
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh really and truly, the US was like a

545
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: nightmare world. It was like I've been saying this a while.

546
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: It's just it's the solid movie.

547
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: Like a horror movie. Yeah, Like, oh, I got a

548
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 3: piece of him? What, Like what did you even do

549
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 3: with it? You know what I mean? Like why would

550
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 3: you want to like a piece of something? Yeah, oh,

551
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: give it to your kids. Like, just like, I'm the

552
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: good guy, I'm cutting up people on the street. I'm

553
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 3: the hero in this story. Yeah.

554
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: The fight turned against the raiders quickly. They were wildly outnumbered.

555
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: The youngest raider was named William Lehman, and he was

556
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: twenty years old. He'd actually I think he'd bleeding Kansas.

557
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: He'd been with them since he was seventeen. He tried

558
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: to surrender and a white militia guy shot him in

559
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: the head. The raiders took refuge in the firehouse now

560
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: called John Brown's Fort like it's it has been renamed that,

561
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: and they also took refuge in the rifle works. One

562
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: of the raiders, William Thompson, went out with a white

563
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: flag and one of the hostages to try and negotiate surrender.

564
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: They captured him and tied him up and took him

565
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: to the bridge and then were like, let's hang him,

566
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: but then instead they threw him off the bridge and

567
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: shot him on his way down.

568
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 4: Jesus.

569
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: Most of the raiders at this point were like, I

570
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: want to get the fuck out of here. This didn't work.

571
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 4: I'm done.

572
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: The battle was lost. The rifle works was surrounded, and

573
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: the raiders in it tried to escape out back across

574
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: the river, including both Copeland and Leary, are friends from Oberlin.

575
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: Both of them were wounded and captured. Leary died from

576
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: his wounds after about ten hours, while Copeland survived to

577
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: stand trial. Two raiders, including Anderson and this white man

578
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: named Hazlitt, successfully made it across the river once they

579
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: realized that everyone else was surrounded and there was nothing

580
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: more they could do. Some folks have tried to paint

581
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: Anderson as like a coward and who like ran, because

582
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: he later wrote he's the one who survived and wrote

583
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: an account of all of this. He later wrote that

584
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: basically he had left once John Brown had been captured,

585
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: but that was the next morning. He had left the

586
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: night before, but he left when it was when he

587
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: was surrounded and failing at surrendering.

588
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 4: And the battle was lost.

589
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: I do not like, I don't think anyone alive has

590
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: the right to call this man a coward. US Marines

591
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: arrived on the scene by nightfall, under the command of

592
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: none other than Robert E. Lee, later the Confederate General.

593
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 4: Famous man.

594
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: Everyone loves him, everyone tries to people try so hard

595
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: to recuperate that man.

596
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: In particular, there was a high school named after him

597
00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 3: when I was growing up.

598
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep uh, the man who arrested John Brown and

599
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: led the Confederacy.

600
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 4: Hooray.

601
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: Brown tried to negotiate surrender twice but was denied. They

602
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: offered him unconditional surrender, and he denied.

603
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 4: That as well. He still had hostages.

604
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: The Marines smashed down the door, and the raiders did

605
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: not kill their hostages. They did kill one Marine and

606
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: they were then captured. There was a bunch of enslaved

607
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: people in the fort with them who were immediately were like, oh, no,

608
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: we're totally we were talking about before. They were just like, ah,

609
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: we were taking hostage too, Like oh, what's going on?

610
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: Thanks for rescuing us.

611
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: They got your hair.

612
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it worked because white Virginians were not very intelligent.

613
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 3: No, that is a commitment to not seeing yourself as

614
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: the bad guy.

615
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, totally. Obviously these people alike us, and so

616
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: that saved their lives and it left them a chance

617
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: to continue the fight, which they did and famously they

618
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: won a few years later, Emperor tried to join them,

619
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: but he was recognized. Only five of the Raiders survived

620
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: to stand trial, John Brown, Emperor, Copeland, and one of

621
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: the Quaker men Kopic. I believe the other Copic was

622
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: three people had like stayed back at the farmhouse to

623
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: guard all the extra weapons, and I think that guy survived,

624
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: but I'm not. I don't remember, honestly. And then Cook,

625
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: the aristocrat who had worked as a spy. These are

626
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: the only people alive left to stand trial. Letters start

627
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: pouring in and support the raiders. Honestly, these remind me

628
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: of like the Luigi letters that people see now. Many

629
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: people who wrote these letters declared that they were going

630
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: to assassinate Governor Wise, the governor who assigned their death warrants.

631
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: They were like long letters. They were like there's a

632
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 2: thousand men being trained specifically to kill you in New

633
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: York State.

634
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: It is kind of like the Luigi letters. I saw that.

635
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: He was like, love the support, but how about we

636
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: cap it at five photos being sent to me per

637
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 3: person writing me a letter.

638
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 2: Okay, but everyone is against things like that. People aren't

639
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: sick and dying anyway. One man from Indianapolis wrote a

640
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: letter on December sixteenth, which was the day that the

641
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,959
Speaker 2: last of these people gets hanged, and the letter read,

642
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: dear son of a Bitch and Southern Dog, my friends

643
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: are probably in heaven while I pen these few lines

644
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: by you Southern Dogs on the way to hell.

645
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 4: So wow, people.

646
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 2: Are pretty clear again, not a weird, isolated group that

647
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: no one supported. Yes, a group that most people did

648
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: not want to join directly because it was a suicide

649
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: mission and everyone knew.

650
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: But there's a difference between like, oh, I don't support

651
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: this and I don't personally feel the need to join

652
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 3: up with them on this suicide mission.

653
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: Totally, and even like because people make a big deal

654
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: out of like all Frederick Douglas said no, and you're

655
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: like yeah, and then said I don't know whether it

656
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: was because I was being smart or cowardly, you know,

657
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: and like It's probably for the best that Frederick Douglas

658
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: didn't go, yeah, because he went on to continue to

659
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: do really important shit. John Brown, though, he gets to

660
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 2: be the first person in US history executed for treason.

661
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: Really yeah, I was surprised by that. I looked at

662
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: the like list of everyone accused of treason, and everyone

663
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: else had been like pardoned at the last minute, and

664
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: shit like that. No one was coming in to part

665
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: in this man at the last minute. His execution on

666
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: December second, eighteen fifty nine was public. They specifically wanted

667
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: it public so that everyone could see him die, but

668
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 2: the guards were ordered specifically to keep the crowds away

669
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: far enough that they couldn't hear any life speech he

670
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 2: might want to give. But his last words were instead

671
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: written on a piece of paper and passed to a guard.

672
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: They said, I, John Brown am now certain that the

673
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away.

674
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 4: But with blood. He was correct.

675
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, like very correct.

676
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

677
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: His actual last words were to the hangman, he said,

678
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: don't keep me waiting. Just also goes hard. Meanwhile, the

679
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: two black men who are tried, Emperor and Copeland, were

680
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: convicted of every charge, but treason. Since they couldn't be citizens,

681
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: they could not commit treason. The court decided. A black

682
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: abolitionist in New York wrote, quote, it was the climax

683
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: of tyranny to rob us the paltry privilege of being

684
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: traders to this devil inspired and god forsaken government. These

685
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 2: people all had such a way with words, I know,

686
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: I know, like everyone was a fucking poet when you

687
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: had to handwrite everything, you know.

688
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, like in old timey pen like yeah, really, like no,

689
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 3: it's time for I guess like that is a great

690
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 3: opportunity for a little flourish.

691
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. The night before their execution, the two white prisoners,

692
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: Cook and Copic, tried to escape. They used a knife

693
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: that Emperor had smuggled to them to dig a hole

694
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: in the wall, and they got out of their cell

695
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: and made it into the yard, but they didn't make it.

696
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 4: Over the wall. Before they were recaptured.

697
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: Copeland wrote letters from jail, like a ton of them.

698
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: He offered courage to the Oberlin Anti Slavery Society, and

699
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: on the morning of his death he wrote to his family,

700
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna quote part of it. I have seen declining

701
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: behind me. The Western mountains for the last time. Last night,

702
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 2: for the last time, I beheld the soft bright moon

703
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: as it rose, casting its mellow light into my felon cell,

704
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: dissipating the darkness and filtering it with the soft, pleasant light,

705
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: which causes such thrills of joy to all those in

706
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: circumstances With myself, I am well, both in body and

707
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 2: in mind. And now, dear ones, I must bid you

708
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: that last long sad farewell your son and brother in eternity.

709
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 2: I mean a poet, Yeah, I actually when there's people

710
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: around me, I practice reading these parts so I can

711
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 2: get the crying while reading out of the way.

712
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you really you voice them so beautifully

713
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: as well, And I think thanks, you know, I just

714
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 3: I really appreciate on the show that you really want

715
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 3: to hear from people in their own words, because I

716
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: think it's easy to see these people as pictures in

717
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 3: a history book and not you know, really be taken

718
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 3: into the emotional experience of the choices they were making

719
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: in the consequences they were grappling with, Like it really,

720
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: it really hits different.

721
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're like he had a family, he loved

722
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: his family, and he made this decision.

723
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 4: You know, like.

724
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 2: His last words were, if I am dying for freedom,

725
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: I could not die for a better cause. I'd rather

726
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: die than be a slave. And he tried to give

727
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 2: a speech from the gallows, but they put a hood.

728
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 4: Over his head. Fuckers.

729
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course they segregated the execution. The two

730
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 2: black men were hanged and then later the two white

731
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: men were hanged.

732
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it just really shows the commitment of like,

733
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 3: at this point, what difference does it make if you

734
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: you know it, like you're killing them, Yeah, you have

735
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: to do it separately.

736
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, like because their whole thing is they were

737
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: fighting for, like, we shouldn't be separate, you motherfuckers, you know.

738
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: And they're like, oh, oh you're separate. Yeah, different thing,

739
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 2: very different thing. But before I talk about the two

740
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 2: that escaped, we can't escape our obligations to our sponsors,

741
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 2: who we love dearly, and in particular our sponsor French

742
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Speaker 2: artillery swords, which were used in Bleeding Kansas, in particular, Oh,

743
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to get the years wrong. I don't have

744
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: it in front of me. There's an earlier model in

745
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: which there's scales on the handle, a fish scale handle.

746
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: It's a solid bronze handle, and that's the one that

747
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: they used. Unfortunately, the only available replicas are the later

748
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: revision from a couple decades later of the French artillery sword.

749
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Speaker 2: But still it's a good sword, whatever the.

750
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Speaker 3: Model, Margaret, when are you going to get your spinoff

751
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Speaker 3: sword cast?

752
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna one day be like and now an

753
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: episode on arms and armor of like, no, because I

754
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: have to be more than one episode, because I'd have

755
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: to be like because I can accidentally go on a

756
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 2: rant about the difference between chain Mill and Western Europe

757
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: and India, and it's a very important different but it's

758
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: not the kind of.

759
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 4: Thing that I'm going to use.

760
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: Say right now, Well, here's the.

761
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 5: Ads and we're back. Welcome back to cool swords. Do

762
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 5: cool stuff.

763
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 3: Are special enough? Listen to that green lit immediately? Yes's

764
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: tracked this one.

765
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 4: Yes.

766
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: So the two folks who got away, who successfully swam

767
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 2: across the river were Anderson and Haslt, and they fled

768
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 2: across the river and they started the endless hike north.

769
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: They first tried to be like, oh, we're gonna cut

770
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: into town and they were like, oh, that's not safe,

771
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: and so they kept going. They split up when Hazlet

772
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: didn't have the energy to keep going. Basically, they were like,

773
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: I can't walk another mile, and Anderson was like, I

774
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: don't want to get caught.

775
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, good luck.

776
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: Later has Lit returned home and he was captured and

777
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: hanged in eighteen sixty. Anderson the only one of the

778
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: raiders to sort of survive to tell the tale. The

779
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: ones who hung out at the farmhouse also survived for

780
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: a bit, and I feel bad kind of leaving them out,

781
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 2: but they weren't in the fighting whatever. Anderson made it

782
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: to York Pennsylvania. He fucking walked across Maryland into Pennsylvania,

783
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 2: where he met up with someone from the Underground Railroad

784
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: who got him on a train to Philly and several

785
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 2: changes of close, he tried to go home. His own

786
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: father was like, no, get away from here, and I'll

787
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: have you arrested if you return, which I don't like.

788
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: So then he went to Ohio and he took probably

789
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: a ferry to Canada. Anderson lived the rest of his

790
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: life hard. By the time he made it to Canada,

791
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: he was flat broke and had lost a lot of weight.

792
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: He wrote a memoir of the whole thing, probably with

793
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: the uncredited help of Mary Anne and his old newspaper

794
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: publisher and his old boss. It was published in Boston

795
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: in eighteen sixty one. And this goes hard. He went

796
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: to Boston as a fugitive to do a book tour

797
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: does go hard, Like he's the one who's sort of

798
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: like like people kind of try and pain him as

799
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: a coward. Oh, he just his friend, and he's like

800
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: he fucking again, no one can doubt this man's courage,

801
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: who has not been tested by worse. And he wrote

802
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 2: this and he went on tour as a fugitive, like

803
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 2: publicly being like I wrote this book about my crime

804
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 2: that I'm on the run for. His goal was quote

805
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: to save from oblivion the heroism of the colored men

806
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: who so nobly seconded the efforts of the immortal John Brown,

807
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: and to say that yes, enslaved black people joined the insurrection,

808
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: like that's that's the thing that was getting written out

809
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: of history. That he was like, that's not going to happen.

810
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: He wanted to counter the slaves are happy nonsense that

811
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 2: the South kept pushing. He also wrote his manuscript before

812
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: all the dust had settled, so he had an eye

813
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: on security culture when he wrote it, which I think

814
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: is like kind of neat every now and then I

815
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: cover things that are like not fully resolved in court,

816
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: and I never lie, but I have to be like,

817
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 2: I can't talk about certain things because we don't know yet,

818
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: because courts aren't done, you know. Yeah, and so he

819
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: did that, and it just makes me happy. He said,

820
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: quote much has been given as true that never happened.

821
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: Much has been omitted that should have been made known.

822
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: Many things have been left unsaid because up to within

823
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: a short time, but two could say them. One of

824
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: them has been offered up. He's talking about it. I

825
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: think he's talking about Haslet, who has now died. But

826
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: one of them has been offered up a sacrifice to

827
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: the Moloch slavery being the other one, I propose to

828
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 2: perform the duty. Yeah, way of words.

829
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I really appreciate how committed he was to

830
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 3: really correcting the narrative that I think, even today get

831
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 3: so incorrect. Like when I was a little kid, I learned,

832
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 3: you know, you learn like Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves,

833
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: and yeah, totally it's such a like paternalistic incorrect idea,

834
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: but it also strips black enslaved people of their agency,

835
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 3: Like they were there, they were part of this, They

836
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 3: risked things. It's so cruel that, you know, that sacrifice

837
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 3: and that work and that courage would be wiped away

838
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: and whitewashed in favor of this, like oh, just one

839
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 3: guy signed something and that.

840
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 4: Was that totally it.

841
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the more you read history books, you're like, no,

842
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: black people won their freedom in this country, and you

843
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: know what, I am glad that some white people helped,

844
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: but like absolutely, yeah. When the Civil War kicked off,

845
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: Anderson and mary Anne left the safety of Canada to

846
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: become recruiters for the Union Black Army in eighteen sixty three.

847
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: It is possible that Anderson fought in the war them himself,

848
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: but the evidence is mixed. This is where you might

849
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: get into the myth making, like he might have been like, oh,

850
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: I totally fought in the war, but you know what,

851
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: he fucking fought in the war. He just did it

852
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 2: before it was a war, you know. Yeah, like whatever.

853
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: They stayed in the States, moving to d C.

854
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 4: After the war.

855
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: Mary Anne was a suffragette and she tried to vote

856
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 2: in eighteen seventy one. Anderson worked as a messenger and

857
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 2: was basically broke, I think, just staying with friends. He

858
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 2: died of tuberculosis when he was forty two years old.

859
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: A few days before he died, he and his friends

860
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: went to visit Harper's Ferry one last time, and then

861
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 2: he died in his friend's house on December tenth, eighteen

862
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 2: seventy two. He was largely forgotten about before his death,

863
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 2: but as soon as he died, people worked hard to

864
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: commemorate him. Frederick Douglas's paper had a eulogy with the

865
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: headline Osborne p Anderson a hero. Mary Anne raised the

866
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: money to pay for his funeral. His father, the one

867
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 2: who had turned him away, came to the funeral. Louis Douglas,

868
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: Frederick Douglas's son, one of one of his sons who

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Speaker 2: fought in the Union Army, was one of his pallbearers.

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Speaker 2: His body, I believe, went into an unmarked grave, and

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00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: then it certainly became unmarked when, along with tens of

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00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 2: thousands of other black people, his grave was on earth

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00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: to make room for a metro station in DC. It's

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00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: now a parking lot. What station I don't know, and

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00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: I'm annoyed.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, I'm gonna find that out. Yeah, I curious. Yeah, yeah, it.

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Speaker 2: Was the fifties or sixties they unearthed. I read one

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00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: place seventeen thousand. I read another place like thirty five thousand,

879
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: and those people were unearthed and then just sort of

880
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 2: dumped unceremoniously into a National Harmony Memorial Park in Maryland

881
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: in the year two thousand. Folks put a plaque up

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00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: there for him, and I believe that one of his

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00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: descendants was one.

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Speaker 4: Of the people who put the plaque up.

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00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: The plaque reads this dedicated and brave Christian traveled from Chatham,

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00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 2: Canada to Harper's Ferry, West Virginia to fight beside John

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00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 2: Brown in his quest to abolish slavery. He later served

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00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: as a Union soldier in the Civil War. And then

889
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: the Bible quote greater love hath no man than this,

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00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 2: that a man laid down his life for his friends,

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00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: John fifteen thirteen. And propagandist historians have tried forever to

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00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 2: say that the raid was a flash in a pan,

893
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: a meaningless insurrection, but people are starting to accept the truth.

894
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: It was the raid on Harper's Ferry that pushed the

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00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: Southern States to announce that they would dissolve the Union

896
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 2: to protect slavery. As Frederick Douglas said in eighteen eighty

897
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: one quote, if John Brown did not end the war

898
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: that ended slavery, he began the war that ended American

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00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 2: slavery and made this a free republic. But it wasn't

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00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: just John Brown. It was a ragtag mix of free

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00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: black men, self emancipated men, Quakers, Canadians, Oberlin students, a

902
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: blacksmith trying to free his wife. And it was people

903
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: who went happy to their graves because they knew that

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00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 2: what they were doing was just.

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Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah, I mean, I know why I said

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00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 3: this in the last episode, but I just feel like

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00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: there's so much to learn today from that act of

908
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: courage and organizing. And yeah, I mean, as we go

909
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 3: into darker and darker times where things feel so lost,

910
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: it feels good to have these things to look back

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00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 3: on to cling to to find a little bit of hope.

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00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: Totally, and like every part of it, like the raid, absolutely,

913
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 2: but also like all the jurors had their barns burned,

914
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: you know, and like and the Oberlin students like black

915
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: and white being like now our town is free, Like

916
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: we genuinely don't care what the law is our town

917
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: is free. That's the kind of energy that we need

918
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: to never no one should ever do a crime.

919
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: Glad you added that we're not advocating crime people, but yeah,

920
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 3: protect your communities, like you set the tone for your community.

921
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 3: We keep each other safe.

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00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 4: All of that totally.

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00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 2: And this thing that's like, oh, we're gonna go free

924
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: this guy. We're getting couple hundred people to go do it.

925
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: It's a big deal, but it probably didn't feel like.

926
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 2: They probably didn't go being like we are making history,

927
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 2: you know, but they did like the stuff we do

928
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: will echo into eternity. And I know that sounds hyperbolic,

929
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 2: but it's still just true.

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00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: Totally.

931
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: Anyway, what I do is make a podcast. But I

933
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: don't know, Bridget, how what do you You got anything

934
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 2: you want to plug.

935
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 3: Other than a good comb keep one on your person

936
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 3: at all times. Yeah, you could check out my podcast.

937
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 3: There are no girls on the internet, and you can

938
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 3: check me out on Instagram at Bridget Marie and DC.

939
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 3: I live in DC, so weird times over here. If

940
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 3: you want to follow along, feel free to check me out.

941
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 3: And uh yeah, I'm on Blue Sky at Bridget Todd.

942
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, uh, I have a Kickstarter. I already told

943
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: you you probably did not listen to the first part.

944
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: And I'm also on Blue Sky and I'm on Instagram,

945
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: and I've used an app to delete everything I've ever

946
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: posted to Twitter. I didn't delete my Twitter, but I

947
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 2: deleted everything I've ever said.

948
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 4: On it.

949
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: Because I don't like that site anymore for some weird reason.

950
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 3: Wow.

951
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 4: Valid.

952
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 2: Anyway, Sophia, you got anything you want to plug?

953
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

954
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: I want to plug on our daily show. It could

955
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: happen here. Every Friday, we are running a series called

956
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: Executive Disorder White House Weekly, where we're just giving you

957
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: this week's horrors in one episode, so follow on for that.

958
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: It's just giving you a once a week update on

959
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: where things are at, so that you're not thinking about

960
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: it every five seconds, just once a week, which is

961
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: still a lot, but not every five seconds.

962
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 4: Yeay.

963
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: It is important to both keep up with what's happening

964
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: and also not get overwhelmed by what's happening, which is

965
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 2: a balance that I don't think anyone is truly found.

966
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 3: Not yet. Oh, can I plug one more thing? Yeah,

967
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 3: just want to give a quick shout for not sleeping

968
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 3: with your phone in your bedroom to Sophie's point, don't

969
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 3: doom scroll, be cautious with well how you absorb information.

970
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 3: Leave your phone outside of your bedroom for a couple

971
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 3: of days. You will sleep better. I promise you.

972
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 2: I aspire to that. I am not there yet. I'm

973
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: good at keeping it on. Do not disturb, but and

974
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: I'm working on reading a book instead of staring at

975
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 2: my phone before bed. All right, well, next week we'll

976
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: have more history instead of current events. Because history is

977
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 2: completely unrelated to current events. There's no reason to develop

978
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: pattern recognition or learn from our failures and successes in

979
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 2: the past. It's just entertainment. See y'all next week.

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00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 4: Huzzah.

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00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,160
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00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,560
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