WEBVTT - How Pet Psychics Work 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:04.360 Welcome to you stuff you should know from house stuff 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:12.920 Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:18.160 Josh Clark. There's Chuck Bryant. That's me. I mentioned myself already. 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:22.040 Have I mentioned Jerry? Yeah? I think so. They just 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:24.480 keep getting worse and worse. Stuff that Cherry's over there. 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:26.320 We're all in the Christmas spirit. I think this is 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:30.880 the last show we're recording this year, right, Yeah, we're 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:32.559 ahead of the game a little bit. Yep, so we 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:36.760 can have a coushy couple of weeks. So, um, we're hammered. 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.760 Not true, no, not Yeah, you got your coffee. I 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:47.040 got my uh soda water laqua loquis soda water. Yeah. 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.639 My coffee is neither Spanish, nor Irish nor anything like that. 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:54.000 What a Spanish coffee? Oh, it's the better of the two. 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:56.240 What is it? Um? You get a little well it 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.640 depends on your on your recipe, but you get a 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.240 little bit of rum okay, uh, you get a little 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:06.679 bit of triple seck or I can't remember the other 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:11.720 name for it, um, but good triple seck. Put them 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:15.959 together in a like a tempered sniff ter or an 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.560 Irish coffee class fire tempered. Make sure it's tempered, or 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:22.720 else you're about to hurt yourself. You light it um, 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.440 you like the it's gotta be high proof from you 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.520 like the rum uh triple sec combo. Just let it 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.560 burn out for a second, or you can blow it 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:32.920 out if you don't want to burn off too much 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:37.680 of the alcohol. And you add some espresso, some kalua 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:39.839 and then top it off with a little whip cream 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:42.960 and nut make Man, it's good stuff. And that's just 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.679 one version. There's plenty of other version of Spanish coffee 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.840 that makes Irish coffee look silly. They're just like I 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.960 don't put down Irish coffee much in the coffee and 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:56.720 drink it pretty much. It's also called the eye opener. Yeah. 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.240 I love the simplicity of the Irish just doing that 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.560 and I love that. Have you seen that country. I 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:03.200 don't know if it was a new one. Last week 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.840 I started watching The Simpsons again after like years off, 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:10.480 and it is it's awesome, man, it is back. There 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:12.280 was one. I don't know if it was new or not, 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:17.880 but Crusty Um syndicated himself around the world so he 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.080 could make a lot more money. So there's like a 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:23.959 Jamaican crusty. There's like a like all these and then 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:28.160 the Irish one. It was just like this depressed alcoholic 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:32.040 who would like sit at a at a table on 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.200 a chair and like the spare room didn't even do 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:38.920 that really yeah, and like we just drink and say 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:42.840 like these you know, really bleak depressing things. Was perfect 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.200 and he ended up with his own like stage show 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:49.000 on Broadway and everything as the Irish rusty. Yeah, that's 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.160 a good one. Have to check that out. Yeah. Uh, 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.679 that was my intro to pet psychics. Alright. You know 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.960 that cat sitting over there knew everything. I was about 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.680 to say, Oh yeah, not many people know we have 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.600 a studio cat. No, man, I wish we did. How 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.800 awesome would that be? Studio cat? Yeah, it'd be great 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.280 to get game in here, wasn't I it's already pretty 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:16.760 warm in here as it is. A cat would love that. Yeah. Um, 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:21.120 all right, So pet psychics fact or fiction? Uh? Their fiction? 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.960 Are we debunking right out of the thing? Well? You know, 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.680 I'm I am of the forty and ilk all right, 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:35.040 Like I think that using science as a means of 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:39.720 avoiding scientific investigation of something is a slap in the 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.720 face of science, and that science should be used to 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.280 exhaust all avenues. And just because we can't currently explain 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:49.600 something using science doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I think 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.640 that there's a whole echelon of stuff out there that 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:56.000 does exist that we can't quite explain yet. Yeah. Sure, 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.760 I don't know if pet psychics fall into that one, 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.760 but I'm wanted just overtly pooh pooh something out of 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:07.240 hand that said, I had a hard time like taking 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:14.520 this entire article seriously. Well, you want to know something, Yeah, 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:18.440 Emily just went to a pet psychic. I I thought 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:21.400 that there was probably like a nine percent chance that 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.839 something like that was going to come up. Yeah, you know, 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.480 we had to put old Lucy down. And Emily went 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.919 in the following week. We have a local pet psychic, 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:36.240 and I'm surprised there probably is, but um one near 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:41.240 our house. And she went and talk to this lady. 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.880 Was it comforting? It was? She said it was really interesting, 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:48.560 and um, there was less talk about Lucy and more 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:53.160 talk about like me and our other animals, and um, 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.000 she wouldn't tell me a whole lot because she didn't 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.640 want me to poke fun at it, you know, And 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:03.119 and I tried to be super supportive, and I was Um, 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.600 I thought every instinct I had two. Uh, you're like, 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:12.159 that sounds like a great neat. How much was it? Um? 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:13.960 But Emily, and she asked me not to say this, 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.680 So of course I'm going to say it. She is 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:20.920 getting books now herself to read and because she feels 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:24.479 like she is very intuitive with animals, and that she 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:28.560 is very intuitive with animals, and so she's gonna poke 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.080 around there and not to do it for a living 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.839 or anything to do with your own dogs at home. Yeah, 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:34.599 just to see if she can become more in tune 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:40.480 with our animals. And they are called animal intuitives sometimes 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:44.720 or communicators, not necessarily pet psychics, because that makes you 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:46.400 sound a little crazy. It seems to be like a 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:50.400 whole gamut of people that would fall under the umbrella 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:56.360 of pet psychics. Yeah, like a horse whisper or Caesar Milan, 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:00.160 some people might say, as an animal communicator that are 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:04.480 just maybe more in tune with the signals the animals 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.839 send out, and they can send signals to animals. Yea, Um, 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.040 but that I fully believe. Okay, So that's totally different 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.560 from what a person who claims to be a pet psychic, 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.599 says is going on. Well, yeah, but not always like 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.360 this lady Emily went to was sounded more like an 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:25.960 animal intuitive and communicator than uh, like a medium saying 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.040 I'm talking to Lucy. She's in a better place. She's 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.360 playing with your grandfather in heaven. Right. But there are 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:36.719 pet psychics that claim to do that, yeah, and charge 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:40.160 people money for that. Yeah, just like real psychics. Um, 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.159 all right, so let's get into it. Well I thought 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.000 we already had. Well I guess we have. Um. I 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.320 just wanted to go ahead and drop that bomb about Emily. Um, 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.760 I think you're in trouble. So pet psychics, now, she 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:57.680 doesn't listen, they they claim, depending on who they are, 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.520 there is a spectrum of pet psychic like you said, 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:04.120 that claim certain abilities, but some claim that they can 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:10.280 actually telepathically communicate with animals mind and like one step 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.400 beyond intuition, Like we're actually talking, right, Not only are 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:19.080 we talking, we're transferring images from one mind to another. UM. 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.760 In some cases they are talking like there's a pet 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:28.640 psychic um who claims that when she speaks to animals, um, 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:33.000 they respond to her in a childlike voice. The animals 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:37.400 have childlike voices, they speak like children. They do in 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:42.640 Disney movies, So why not um, But the basically at 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:49.400 its most supernatural, I guess it's most extrasensory um pet psychics. 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.720 What they're claiming to do is a convergence of clairvoyance, 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:59.040 which is far sighte um, and telepathy, which is mind reading. 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:03.200 And they're putting these together. And then if you already 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.800 have a hard enough time swallowing that, you may have 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:11.120 an even harder time following it when you realize that 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.160 they're saying they're doing this with animals, which may or 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.720 may not even be self aware. Yeah, Like, it's tough too. 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.320 It's hard with humans to believe that someone might have 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:25.440 ESPN telepathy, and we speak the same language, so it 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.160 might be even a deeper reach to say that you 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:32.560 can do that with a dog. Let's say, okay, Emily 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:37.480 went to a pet psychic. Um. She went after Lucy 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:41.640 um passed on um basically to find out how Lucy 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.960 was doing. Yeah. I think she was just curious about 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.480 the She had been curious for a while, and this 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.600 afforded her an opportunity to go see a pet psychic. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:52.520 I think like it gave her a good reason. Okay, 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:56.080 so that's one reason people go see pet psychics. Um 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.800 after the death of a pet. Another one is when 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:02.800 a pet is sick or injured or ailing, tell me 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:07.200 if it's time to go. Um, which, man, that's gotta 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.679 be a lot to put on a pet psychic. That's 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.360 a lot to put on a vet, you know, although 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:13.959 I think vets are kind of like, yeah, let's just 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.959 go ahead and do it. No, that's not true. Um, 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.160 And then what if the what if the pet is 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.640 acting like a jerk all of a sudden. Yeah, that's 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.120 another reason people, why pets. Is my dog acting out 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:27.640 or maybe my pet is lost? Can you tell me 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:31.640 where my pet is? Right, that's a little more of 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.800 a niche thing. Not all pet psychics will take on 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:39.320 those cases, my guess is because the success rate might 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.080 not be great and they don't want to, you know, 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.520 charge somebody for something and not provide the service that 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.600 they said they can. Yeah, because I mean, unless you 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:51.920 can talk to somebody into giving up their bread for 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.040 you just to say, yeah, your dog will be home 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.319 in a couple of weeks, yeah, then you know, how 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.439 are you gonna work that you can't? But there are 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:04.679 anecdotal success stories of locating pets this way. If there 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.760 weren't this wouldn't be yeah around and a skeptic will 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:11.360 say this just luck and coincidence. I think the dog 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.040 was on its way home anyway, exactly. This pet psychic 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:18.200 didn't called to it with her mind, that's right, Uh, psychics. 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:23.080 Pet psychics say they, UM use electromagnetic energy to accomplish this, 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:27.160 that there's this energy field in the universe that science 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.520 hasn't quite figured out yet, but it exists, and we 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.600 are able to pick up on that energy and use 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:36.920 that energy to speak to your animals. Um, whether it's 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.280 a childlike voice or like I think most of them 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.520 generally do it, and like in pictures, which makes a 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:46.679 little more sense to me. Um. And this this this thing, 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:50.280 this electromagnetic energy. There's this guy who wrote a book. 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.680 His name is Jay Alan Boone and he wrote a 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.960 book called Kinship with All Life and it apparently is 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:00.720 the pet psychics Bible, and it's um kind of his 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:04.520 relationship with this German shepherd named Strongheart, which is a 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.760 Hollywood dog that he cared for starting and I think 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:14.400 the nineteen thirties, UM, and who he became Uh, telepathically 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:20.520 linked with intuitively linked to um and basically Jay Alan 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:24.199 Boone wrote this book on how to Communicate with animals 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.920 and in it he mentions that all things are connected 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:31.480 by this thing called the primal cause. Minty Glorian's right, 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:36.120 and um, I think that's what the pet psychic would say. Well, 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.400 it's the electromagnetic energy. The point is that since it 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:42.880 binds all things, we can just kind of use that 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:47.360 too to connect to the mind of another thing, human 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:53.040 or animal, because we're all connected by this, right, it's thought. Uh. 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.800 Animal Plan actually hit a show for a little while 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:58.880 about ten years ago called the Pet Psychic and Um, 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.360 the lady on the or what's her name Fitzpatrick. Yes, 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:05.960 she claimed that she picked up this in childhood as 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:10.120 a result of a hearing loss um, although other people 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.319 say they pick it up as adults after studying it 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.720 and not necessarily born with a gift. But they just 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:19.040 studied how to be more in tune with animals, right, 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.400 And apparently a lot of them discovered that they had 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.760 this gift after they saw the Pet Psychic on Animal Planet? 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:28.160 Was that right? That's what Tracy says in this article. Okay, 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.800 I wonder what that sounds like one of those statements, 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.520 did she do research on that she do a poll? Well, 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:37.559 I think that definitely did kick off a frend. If 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:41.160 it didn't capitalize on it, it definitely kicked it off. 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.360 All right. So you go to your pet psychic. You're 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.840 gonna go into a room and they're gonna do something 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.880 like this, Uh, not exactly like this, depending on their methods, 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.000 but they're probably gonna like just relax and tell you 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:58.080 to calm down, and they will make contact with the 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:01.760 energy of the animal. And then they will actually try 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:07.720 and contact the said animal telepathically, like ask a question 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.360 of the animal, or they'll they'll they'll call its name 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.360 or something and get its attention to yeah, or have 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.000 a picture. A lot of times like you don't need 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.280 the animal there necessarily. In fact, a lot of times 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.280 I think the animal is not there, because why do 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.160 you need the animal? Now? You don't, You've got the 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:30.120 great cause, the primal cause exactly with their mind they do, 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:34.560 and then they um well accept whatever response they get, 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.840 relay that back to you, ask you some more questions 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:41.080 or if you have any more questions, and basically act 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.400 as the go between between you communicating with your pet 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.520 like just like you would think, it goes down, your 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:50.040 pet is saying that there. Uh they're not happy with 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.120 the new couch and that's why they're being on it 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:58.800 or ever since you uh took that promotion in the 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:04.240 middle management, you've changed, man, and I'm not happy with 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:10.600 this new you. That's why I keep chewing your suits exactly. Um, 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.280 they are going to uh. It's it's pretty controversial, as 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.319 we pointed out, because there isn't any hard science behind it. 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.560 There's no proof of this electromagnetic energy. And a lot 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:24.000 of people believe in energy. I mean electromagnetic energy does exist, 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:28.040 not this kind of manet. Yeah, it's fun to make 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:31.200 sure everyone knew that we believe in electro magnetic but 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.480 they haven't picked up that. They haven't proven that there's 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.480 any actual like sensory organ than people or animals that 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.720 allow them to tune into this energy. Does that make 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:43.040 more sense? So so during these pet psychic sessions, when 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:46.840 the when the the purpose of this normally is to 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:50.640 get to the bottom of a problem, say like we said, 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.240 or to get some sort of comfort or even for 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:59.920 decision making. Um, the problem is when a pet psy 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.320 kick asks an animal what's going on, and the animal 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:08.920 is thought to respond, well, this, I'm doing this because 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:14.160 of this. So beyond the telepathy, beyond the clairvoyance involved, 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:18.360 there's still the question of whether an animal is capable 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:22.720 of that higher level of reasoning and thought. Yeah, right, 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.920 that it would be aware of its own reasons for 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:29.480 its behavior. That in and of itself is a controversial 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:34.600 aspect of this whole topic. Yeah, that's self awareness. Like, Um, 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:38.760 a lot of animal intuitives believe that animals are basically 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.000 kind of like people. They just can't talk. They experience 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:45.320 the emotions there they're self aware, um, and they're just 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:49.960 not trapped, but they're in an animal's body. Um. And 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.280 when you look at your pets, you may think they're 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:56.680 experiencing emotions. And it's a controversial subject because it's not 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:01.400 something you can prove. Well, it's been it's become more 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:05.320 and more proven over the years. Yeah, Like nowadays it 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:09.840 is accepted that animals can feel certain emotions. Yeah, especially 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:15.040 the basic ones like yeah, like stress, fear, fear, upsettedness. Yeah, um, 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:21.240 rage I think is one, um, lust, separation, distress. But 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.480 it's hard to define emotion period, much less in an 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:28.320 animal right. But the the idea that um emotions just 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:32.920 belong to humans or even humans and higher primates is 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:36.640 is definitely faded. Um. We are aware that animals can't 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:40.320 experience basic emotions. They can probably experience even higher emotions too. 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:42.440 Like if you look at a dog and your dog 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:47.040 looks sad and it's sad because you're leaving, you may 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:50.040 be correct. You know your dog pretty well. And we've 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:53.720 reached the point where science is starting to come to 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:57.000 grips with the idea that yes, animals can experience some 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.240 higher emotions as well. Sure. And there was actually a 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.760 conference at Cambridge University in two thousand twelve, and uh, 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.480 it was a pretty heavy hitting conference. Um, Like, I mean, 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.679 the people involved were no slouches, and they came up 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:18.040 with the Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness and they basically said that, um, 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:24.479 the the components that you need to experience emotions and 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:28.560 consciousness are not relegated to the cortex, meaning it's not 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:32.080 just humans that have that are capable that have the 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:36.560 hardware for experiencing consciousness. Right. Um. They also said that 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:44.600 if you artificially stimulate um, uh, the neural circuits that 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:48.399 are responsible for different aspects of consciousness and humans. You 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:52.080 can stimulate the same things in animals too, which suggests 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.560 that they have the same equipment. UM, you can also 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:59.520 disrupt those circuits using hallucinogens in humans and animals. And 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.480 since they have all the equipment, all the signs point to, 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:07.439 said this group of neuroscientists and UM other professionals. They said, 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.800 there is a pretty good chance that it's not just 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:15.400 humans who are experiencing consciousness. The things that the trappings 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:19.399 of consciousness, like higher emotions, self awareness, the things that 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:23.040 make us human. Animals might have that make them animals. 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:27.800 But the people who think that if your dog is sad, 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:33.679 you're probably right, are right. Dog likes you around, and 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.480 it might be happy when you're home, yeah, and sad 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.320 when you leave. And the whole reason that this has 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:41.080 been a thing is simply because humans haven't been able 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:45.840 to figure out how to accurately test what is an 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:49.520 emotion in an an animal, Because animals can't say I'm 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.479 feeling like this right now, and we can be like, 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:55.240 that's love. You're feeling love. Yeah, Like when a mother 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:57.880 cares for puppies, it's showing it looks like it's showing love, 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:03.000 or is it oxyt oson hormone in the body that 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.119 says you need to care for you're young. Is it 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:09.800 love or care or does anyone realize it's it's love 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.800 or care. Well, that's the big one because you can 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:17.040 say we have that same exact neural circuit and we 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:20.400 react to oxytocin the exact same way. So you know, 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:23.280 if it's love for us, why isn't it love for 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.760 the animal? Well, the key is is we think about it. 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.639 We're thinking, I feel so good about taking care of 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:34.120 my baby. That means I love my baby. That makes 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:38.000 me even happier. That's called medic cognition. That's where most 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.119 people are drawing the line with animals these days. They 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:45.000 might be able to experience some pretty high um emotions, 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:48.280 they may be self aware, but the ability to think 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:52.000 about their emotions and the implications of their emotions or 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:56.000 think about thinking, that's metic cognition, and not everybody agrees 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:57.919 on that one. That's the new thresthhold that we're at. 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:01.040 It seems like for animals, whether or not they're capable 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.879 of metic cognition. So if an animal sees itself in 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:06.680 the mirror and noses itself, is that self awareness, Yeah, 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.680 which would be a form of metic cognition, right, But 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.600 that's that's not proven. That's where a lot of people. 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.880 You'll lose a lot of people now, whereas ten years ago, 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:20.280 even saying that an animal could experience happiness or joy, 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:23.240 um would have lost a lot of people. So who knows. 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.240 In ten years from now, maybe everyone will agree that 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:29.200 animals experience metic cognition. Yeah, grief is definitely one I've 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.679 seen firsthand a lot. Yeah, we talked about it in 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:35.680 the Grief episode. Yeah. Um, and when we put Lucy down, 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:38.840 they recommend that we did our house. They recommend that 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:42.000 the pet not see that act, but then they come 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:44.760 in afterward so they see the body and so they 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:48.240 can understand what's going on and so they don't spend 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.359 time looking for that animal. And uh, we did that 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:55.080 with Buckley and Charlie and let them back in, and uh, 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:57.560 Charlie was stressed. We didn't think about it. She was 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:00.240 a feral dogs, so she gets stressed when other people 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.760 are in the house. So we forgot this vet lady 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.639 was in there. So Charlie's just stressed running around. Buckley 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.920 goes up sniff's Lucy and it was really sad, and 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:14.080 he was different for about four or five days, seemed 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:16.520 depressed to me. And when we would take him on 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:18.359 walks and come back, he would still run around to 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.560 all the rooms, I think looking for Lucy because he 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.080 never had done that before. He usually just walks in 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:28.320 and lays down, but he literally would go to each room. Um. 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:30.439 So I definitely think that there are things like grief, 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:33.720 whether or not the dog realizes it's grief, like who cares? 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.560 You know, That's what I think. Yeah, I mean it's 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:41.399 still experiencing on that virtually the same level, right, Yeah, 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:46.240 and at its most profound level, that gut experience of grief. Yeah. 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:51.280 And I think the whole the fine line here with 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:55.520 investigating or talking about whether or not animals can experience 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:58.200 these things is you're walking this edge where on one 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:02.399 side you have a through pacentrism where you're just like, no, 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.480 they can't, only humans can. Humans are the greatest ever, 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:09.199 and you're forgetting that we're animals as well. Then the 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.919 other side you have anthropomorphizing, where you're attributing you know, 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:17.199 human attributes to animals unduly. So it's kind of like 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:19.879 you have to so happy because we're putting up the 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:23.200 Christmas tree exactly. But it's happy because we're in there 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:25.560 having a good time and drinking some magnag and like 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.159 the music, so onward dancing right exactly. So you have 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:30.720 to resist both of those temptations to just kind of 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:35.840 keep plodding along down the line scientifically. But I think ultimately, 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.520 is we go down that line, we're going to finally 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:41.919 come to as a species, hopefully the idea that like 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:45.080 animals should not be in zoos or tested on or whatever, 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:50.320 because they are a lot closer to us consciousness wise 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:55.359 than we currently understand or want to admit. Right now, Um, 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:57.320 all right, well we're gonna talk a little bit about 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:01.919 pet psychics and like contradicts between them, um and what 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:10.640 might be going on here right after this message break. Okay, 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:13.320 so there are some contradictions. Um, if you go to 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:17.200 tin pet psychics, you're probably gonna have ten different, eleven opinions, 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:21.080 eleven different stories about what's going on, which is one 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:25.359 reason it makes it hard to swallow for some people. Um. Again, 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:27.720 I feel like since we went to break and came back, 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:29.720 it's this is a good time to read it. Write 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:35.960 like I'm not I'm not poo pooing intuitiveness. No, I'm 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:40.399 not poo pooing UM and some people's ability a greater 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:44.160 ability than others to really kind of connect to animals 0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:48.040 and and and understand them or um deal with them 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:50.880 however you want to put it. It's when it strays 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:56.680 into telepathy and clairvoyance that, um, I start to become skeptical. Yeah, 0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:58.680 you know what you mean. And I think I think 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:01.760 people some people are more into with other humans than others. 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:05.520 Some people have their heads up their butts and are 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:09.280 completely absorbed in their own little universe. Other people, I think, 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:14.160 seek out um input from other things, whether it's people 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:18.760 or animals. They're always looking for something, um just you know, 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:22.959 justin his mom. Carrie, one of my favorite people is 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:26.240 one of the most in tune intuitive people I've ever 0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:29.520 met in my life because she's she's a studier of people. 0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:32.160