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Speaker 1: Okay, podcast starts now. Um, Hello everyone in New York

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Speaker 1: City and beyond. You are listening to Stradio Lab, and

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Speaker 1: I just have to cut right to the chase. George

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Speaker 1: was telling me he had a beautiful night full of

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Speaker 1: treats last night. He was listing off the treats, and

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Speaker 1: I said, wait, wait, wait, we have to record this.

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Speaker 1: Not believe. I cannot believe the joy you displayed. I

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Speaker 1: really thought I was, in fact having a very much

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Speaker 1: off Mike conversation where I was literally just listening to

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Speaker 1: things I ate last night, and your face lit up,

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Speaker 1: and you said, please stop, please stop right now. This

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Speaker 1: cannot go unrecorded. I you don't know. I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't know when they're being really funny,

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Speaker 1: and I think you were being really funny and describing

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Speaker 1: I went all right. I went to drinks and dinner

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Speaker 1: with my best friend from college Jen last night shout out.

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Speaker 1: She's a fan of the pod. And first we went

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Speaker 1: to a natural wine bar. I had two glasses of

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Speaker 1: natural wine, one rose, one white, and then as soon

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Speaker 1: this has to be recorded. Okay. So we went to

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Speaker 1: the natural wine bar. I had two glasses, one rose,

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Speaker 1: one white. Meanwhile she had one orange, one white. Then

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Speaker 1: we met at eight. At this point, it's like and

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Speaker 1: she said we need to eat. I said, say no more.

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Speaker 1: I can go around the corner and put are aimed

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Speaker 1: So she came. We sat down, open the menu. I said,

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Speaker 1: much boll They have a vermouth menu. They have a

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Speaker 1: So at that point we're like, okay, well it is

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Speaker 1: Your life is so funny and it's the joy you

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Speaker 1: not pragmatic. What's the It's like you're fulfilling a need.

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Speaker 1: what is your ideal restaurant? My ideal restaurant. I mean

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Speaker 1: Like I go to I think my favor right now

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Speaker 1: controversy with Rollo's. No, what's the controversy? It is like

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Speaker 1: forefront of gentrifying Ridgewood. And it's like co owned by

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Speaker 1: like some private equity forb or something, a private equity firm.

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Speaker 1: what each of us would be into. I also was

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Speaker 1: saying it as like, um, it was meant to be

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Speaker 1: like appreciative of like like fun dynamic that you care.

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Speaker 1: But I remember feeling like, oh that is like something

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Speaker 1: you're not. It's like it's like as if like I

429
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Speaker 1: don't know, like saying to like people like oh, you're

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Speaker 1: supposed to be like the hot one. You're supposed to

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Speaker 1: be like the other one. It's like, well, we don't

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Speaker 1: really talk about it, like yeah, I think maybe what

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Speaker 1: it was was like the assumption that we already that

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Speaker 1: that was such so self evidently our intention. Like if

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Speaker 1: you had been like, you know what I you know,

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Speaker 1: what I actually noticed is like you're kind of of

437
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Speaker 1: doing this thing where you're the villain, then I'd be like, oh,

438
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Speaker 1: interesting interpretation, let's debate that at the New York or festival.

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00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: But but instead you were like, well, you know how

440
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Speaker 1: you know, how self evidently you are the villain and

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Speaker 1: everyone agrees. You know, there's an interesting subtext there to

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Speaker 1: that ouderation, which I think is fair. But it's like

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Speaker 1: that I didn't say something like interesting enough, and therefore

444
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Speaker 1: you guys were like like what I had said, how

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Speaker 1: dull it was. You're like, you're so like you're saying

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Speaker 1: something that's so like not interesting, and now we're mad.

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Speaker 1: Funny of that was if you were like, you know,

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Speaker 1: you're you know, it's weird that you're the villain, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, huh, it's crazy that you've never said

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Speaker 1: anything interesting. Wow, that would be iconic. Um, I think, okay,

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Speaker 1: I feel that we've ren I actually am tearing up

452
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Speaker 1: because of how profound this has been. Yeah, this has

453
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Speaker 1: been really moving. The sound bite like from this are

454
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Speaker 1: are wild? Sorry, I know we need to do our

455
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Speaker 1: first teme. Can I just very quickly say, as a

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00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: little parenthetical like I'm already mourning in the future when

457
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Speaker 1: this episode is over. I want to live in this moment.

458
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: So sweet, that's very emotional, that's so funny. I'm just

459
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Speaker 1: like that. I'm like, if only I could pause this

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Speaker 1: moment and just luxuriate and being with the two of you.

461
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. By the way, this is like recording

462
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Speaker 1: and this is like going to be perpetually available. I

463
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Speaker 1: want to can listen to it whenever. It's also like

464
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Speaker 1: stories very nice, and neither of us are dead or dying.

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Speaker 1: We're not being put to death after this, Like we're

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Speaker 1: not ill or injured. Wait. Also, I'm like so moved

467
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Speaker 1: by this and like having like a hundred things to say.

468
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Speaker 1: I remember in college talking to my college friends about this,

469
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Speaker 1: because I guess it was like it was probably around

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Speaker 1: the time where I started to have this feeling for

471
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Speaker 1: the first time, which is that like the way that

472
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Speaker 1: like you know that you love someone is that like

473
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Speaker 1: you're like scared that they're going to die or leave.

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Speaker 1: But it's sort of kind of manifests them dying, and

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Speaker 1: I think that that's like a really nice site it's

476
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Speaker 1: coming out in this podcast. Yeah, I mean for us,

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Speaker 1: I guess maybe my fear of the episode being over

478
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Speaker 1: is just one UM personific. Personification is the wrong word,

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00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: but one example. You know, it's kind of like a

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Speaker 1: more smaller example of a fear of death. It's like

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Speaker 1: the episode ending is a small death is a petite mall.

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Speaker 1: That is what's coming up. But I think that you

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Speaker 1: contextualized it in in a way that actually is hopeful

484
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Speaker 1: and nice and actually is competing with that. I think,

485
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: in fact, podcasting has an easter like narrative and that

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Speaker 1: the episode eyes but then when it's released, that's our resurrection. Okay,

487
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: let's do our first segment. I just want to say

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Speaker 1: that Sam and I both looked away from Okay, Sam, Sam,

489
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Speaker 1: please please uh like make me stop talking, um Celeste.

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Speaker 1: You know our first segment it's called straight Shooters and

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Speaker 1: and it we gage your familiarity and complicity in straight

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Speaker 1: culture by asking you a series of gratifire questions that

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Speaker 1: U don't make much sense this thing or this other thing.

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Speaker 1: The only UM rule is you can't ask any followup

495
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Speaker 1: questions or we will yell at you. Okay, and with

496
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Speaker 1: that I'll start um. Okay, Celeste, Xbox series X or

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Speaker 1: Mark by Mark Jacobs, Mark by Mark Jacobs. Okay, Celest,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't remember the first thing you said. I know,

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Speaker 1: I've already forgotten it. I've never series Genius one, so

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Speaker 1: actually not a referendum on it. It was like I

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Speaker 1: completely see it because it's like, oh, they're too self

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Speaker 1: referential brands. But when you were saying it, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm lost, I must, I must Okay, so lest brown

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Speaker 1: eyed girl or cotton eyed Joe Brown eyed Girl Okay,

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Speaker 1: Soless macklemore, cotton eye Joe, isn't he bad? I wasn't

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Speaker 1: actually looking that up. I was like, what is cotton

507
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Speaker 1: eye Joe? Because I was like, this is probably racist,

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Speaker 1: you have to assume. Yeah, but I guess it means

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Speaker 1: someone who is like glassy eyed from being like drunk.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of nice, but I also think it has racist.

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Speaker 1: It cannot be there's not a this. Yeah, you're doing

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Speaker 1: rollos to cotton eyed Joe. Literally, I mentioned cotton eye

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Speaker 1: Joe in a straight shoot and you're like, isn't it problematic?

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Speaker 1: Okay Macklemore or Millard Fillmore malcome More, I don't understand

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Speaker 1: half of the office that. Okay, it's a wonderful life,

516
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Speaker 1: or it's brittany bitch um. Do I make you horny baby?

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Speaker 1: Do I make you randy baby? Or do I make

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Speaker 1: you uncomfortable? Do I make you horny baby? Okay, this

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00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: is actually relevant to our discussion. Your faith is problematic

520
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Speaker 1: or your faith is emblematic of larger systemic issues. I

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Speaker 1: think it's a your favor is emblematic of Okay, the

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Speaker 1: Pixies Where is My Mind? Or Katrina and the Waves.

523
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Speaker 1: I'm walking on sunshine, the Pixies, Where is My Mind?

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Speaker 1: So the reason Sam mentioned that because we just did

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Speaker 1: a Patreon episode about the film Fight Club. We're doing

526
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Speaker 1: classic straight movies and did you know it ends with

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Speaker 1: the Pixies Where is My Mind? And when that happened,

528
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: both Sam and I absolutely lost it. It literally, it

529
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Speaker 1: really like it deteriorated the entire partect actually elevated it.

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Speaker 1: I was like pumped. I was like, I want to

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Speaker 1: go out. It's just like for for a film to

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Speaker 1: end spoiler alert, for a film to end with like

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Speaker 1: basically citywide explosions set to where is My Mind? There

534
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Speaker 1: never has a more happened. Yeah, I was actually extremely

535
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Speaker 1: pumped and I was like, this is like how all

536
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Speaker 1: movies should end. Agreed totally. I'm pretty surprised by the

537
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Speaker 1: premise that Fight Club is a straight movie. That well,

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Speaker 1: well that's the debate. Welcome to the ring, um Celeste

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Speaker 1: Beyonce album B Day or the World War two event?

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Speaker 1: D day got to be the World War two event

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Speaker 1: the day for sure. We're done, thank you. That was.

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Speaker 1: It really took me a while to get there, but

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00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: I had one good one. No what are you stop? Sam?

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Speaker 1: Would you like to maybe explain why this episode is

545
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: a little different than some other episodes. Sure, Um, so,

546
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: so we have a Patreon and um in it, there

547
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: are multiple tiers that are I would say normal. There's

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00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: a five dollar tire, you get extra episodes, you're on

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Speaker 1: the discord. There's a ten dollar or tier you get

550
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: a newsletter, and then there's a tier that's a hundred dollars.

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Speaker 1: And we made it as a joke and said, um,

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00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: no one will do this, and but if if some

553
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: raging psychopath with a credit card decides to go for it,

554
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: they can actually pick a topic, and so someone did this.

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Speaker 1: Their name is Katie. I don't know. Their name is Katie,

556
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: and they suggested topics, and so we're going to do

557
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Speaker 1: one of their topics because that's one of the craziest

558
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: things you can do, and we actually feel indebted to you,

559
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: and we also feel that if we don't do it,

560
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: you will hunt us down, because if you're willing to

561
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Speaker 1: drop one hundred dollars on a podcast in which two

562
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: gay guys talk about straight culture sort of, then I

563
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: don't know what other insane things you're capable of. And

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Speaker 1: this is out of fear, and we're doing so that's

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Speaker 1: why we're doing this. We are afraid of Katie. It's

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Speaker 1: interesting that Katie has and kind of a non threatening

567
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Speaker 1: sounding name. To meet Katie, you're like, that's such a

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Speaker 1: name of a girl you went to high school or

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Speaker 1: college with. I mean, especially for our age group, it's

570
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Speaker 1: one of the most popular names. And yet this is

571
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Speaker 1: a super villain when I also, Katie is kind of chill,

572
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: like I'll do whatever. Yeah, sure, I'm free tonight. And

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Speaker 1: you know, a hundred dollars of month to a podcasts

574
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Speaker 1: that is hosted by it because it was already hosted

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Speaker 1: by one villain, right, Okay, that's interesting, So maybe yeah,

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Speaker 1: Katie start defining community. Okay, well that guy's I support

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Speaker 1: Katie and I definitely see what she means. Oh, I

578
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Speaker 1: certainly support Katie. I I just am also afraid. But

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Speaker 1: but so I just think it's so funny to have

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Speaker 1: a like, imagine it's Godzilla. But but their name, the

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Speaker 1: name is Katie. It's like a movie. If the film

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Speaker 1: is called Katie, it's actually a genius. And I there's

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Speaker 1: not a villain named Katie already exactly like or it's

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Speaker 1: like even like a mononymous super villain, like I guess

585
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: darth Vader is two words, but like someone a Darth Vader.

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00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: But it's like Katie. I'm all in. I'm all in. Um.

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00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: And so they have suggested some topics for us, that's right,

588
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: and I can read the ones we're not, so we

589
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: we chose one of the topics Katie selected, but I

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00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: kind of want to celebrate by reading the rest of

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00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: them as well. I feel like they're really good, so

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00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: I'll read all of them except the one that's the

593
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: last one introduced. So the topics we were sent are

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Speaker 1: auto correct ranking Celebrity Chris is the year and shortlists,

595
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: which is genius because Katie introduced this as a shortlist,

596
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Speaker 1: and then the last suggestion in the shortlist is the

597
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: concept of shortlists. So obviously we're dealing with probably a

598
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: quantum physics PhD at this point. Yeah, and I want

599
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: to say to like that I read the list you

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Speaker 1: had sent you would send them to me yesterday, and

601
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: only today did I hear them read aloud, which is

602
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Speaker 1: before this. And when you read ranking the Liberty Celebrity

603
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Speaker 1: chris is, something clicked for me because I had actually

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Speaker 1: been reading that as ranking Celebrity Crisis, and I actually

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00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: thought that that was an auto correct mistake. So there's

606
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: something solid happening in the dependent ship. Yeah, it's definitely

607
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: something that needs to be read aloud. I had such

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00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: trouble with that one because I was like, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: ranking celebrit and I was like, I thought it was

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Speaker 1: I almost thought it was like telling us to rank them,

611
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: and I was like no, no, no, no, no no, no,

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Speaker 1: this is a mess. And then when you read it,

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00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: it was just like, well, duh, that actually makes complete sense.

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Speaker 1: I mean not to be the villain here, but I

615
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: just want to make clear. I immediately knew it. Just

616
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Speaker 1: be vulnerable for once in your damn life. Just it's

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Speaker 1: okay to fail, George, allow imperfections. It's insane, um, but celess.

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Speaker 1: Would you like to say what we actually chose from

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Speaker 1: the list? That? Yeah, I would. The topic that we

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Speaker 1: chose today is I think a perfect topic. It's almost

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Speaker 1: it was almost too good to choose. That's why I

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00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: at it. It's dichotomyschotomy. This is I mean, please keep going, no, no,

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Speaker 1: please please Okay? Are you sure? Yep? As you said,

624
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: it's almost too perfect of the sense that like, okay,

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Speaker 1: what could be straighter than a binary? A dichotomy like

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Speaker 1: it is, it's like back to basics exactly. But to me,

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Speaker 1: the other thing with dichotomy is that it's kind of

628
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Speaker 1: one of those words where no one uses it correctly.

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Speaker 1: Say that when we decided that this was what we

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Speaker 1: were going to say, I was like, to be completely honest,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to google this word because while I've heard

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Speaker 1: it in many sentences, I've never dared to use it

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Speaker 1: myself because I don't know it technically. Um, and I'm

634
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Speaker 1: not going to pretend. And I also I want to

635
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: welcome in perfection by saying that I also was frantically

636
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: googling while George was sort of doing the list of

637
00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: things he ate well, um, and I would What I

638
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: was specifically googling was like the distinction between the dichotomy

639
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: and fat and I do think there is this way

640
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: where like, it almost doesn't make sense to choose this

641
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: as a topic. And that's why I was. I was

642
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: interested in the challenge of that because, first of all,

643
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: I knew that George would help me and Sam understand

644
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: the distinction between the economy and binary. So I was like,

645
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't need I don't need to

646
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: worry about that. But second, it's also like it would

647
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: basically be like if I chose as a topic like

648
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: straight people. Yeah, which, honestly, you saying that out loud

649
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: is such a genius topic and I can't believe no

650
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: one's done it yet. Right, It's like my topic for

651
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: his radio lab is heterosexually. I mean, we have to

652
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: at some point get to the bottom of it. Yeah,

653
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: we'll know when when the right time is. I'm going

654
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: to bring that topic back when you guys, when you

655
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: can just let me now, okay, can I do literally

656
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: the most annoying possible thing. Yeah, and talk about the

657
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: literal Greek etymology of the word dichonomy. Oh my god,

658
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is so good. It's Dichotomy is

659
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: a Greek word that in Greek you would say, and

660
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: it comes from the dikeo. It means like, um, what

661
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: did you call me? I don't know if you're allowed

662
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: to say, I think you are actually actually um, it's

663
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: like basically imagine like a branch, uh, dividing into two,

664
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: dividing into two brands, like a branch of a tree,

665
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: then dividing into two and then there and then two

666
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: branches coming out of it. You know what I mean? Okay,

667
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: So dike the dikeope part is like two or like

668
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: into and then the tony part means like cutting. So

669
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: it is one thing cutting into. So like imagine like

670
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: or even like a road that comes out across roads

671
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: and you have to and you have to pick one

672
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: or the other. Does that make sense? That makes sense? Okay?

673
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: So then but then like, but it's coming it is,

674
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: ask question, is there like an essential part of it,

675
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: which is that it's coming from one tree like that's

676
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: important or it's like it's one thing becoming two things.

677
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: So when one thing becomes two things are not necessarily opposite. Well,

678
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: I think then, I mean, this is just like the

679
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, like the root of the word. But

680
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: then of course it has taken on its own meetings.

681
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: So I do think, like when you use the word

682
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: dichotomy and you're like, oh, the dichotomy between you know,

683
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: images and words, I don't know, like something, then you

684
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: don't necessarily mean they came from the same thing. You

685
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: just mean like it's too things that yeah you mean,

686
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: that's two things that are opposite, but it comes from

687
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: well yeah, right, Well I guess my understanding of it,

688
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: or my perception of it, is that it's two things

689
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: within what like for instance, like heaven and hell or

690
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: something like in like exists those are both. Maybe that's

691
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: not a good example. No, I know it's really hard.

692
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: But what about like, um, there's like as if it's

693
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: two subcategories of one over our category or something like that.

694
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: But this is what I this is My question is

695
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: that I don't know if they're I don't know if

696
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: dichotomy implies that one needs to win out over another.

697
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: I think that it which is which is like A

698
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: binary is like, you know, one thing can exist if

699
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 1: the other does, like there's two opposing is like yeah,

700
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: the a binary is like god, yeah, the binary is

701
00:42:55,120 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: like there are two options that are non overlapping, right yeah, yeah, yeah,

702
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: it's like zero and one. Yeah. But then a dichonomy

703
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: can be two things within one thing. God, you know,

704
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: I don't know should we just do the because there's

705
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: like Pratt, there's Evans like that's like we know that,

706
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: we know that, Like that's that's taught. This is like

707
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: like dichotomy because like classic examples are like male and female. Okay,

708
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: wait I think okay, so I'm looking at alright dichotomy. Wow,

709
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 1: I mean they really are the same. Okay, so maybe

710
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: they're just the same thing. Dichotomy a separation or division

711
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: into two, which is actually what I was saying before,

712
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: like it is one thing becoming too yes um. And

713
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: then binary is being in a state of one of

714
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: two mutually exclusive conditions such as on or off, true

715
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: or false, molten or frozen, presence or absence. So I

716
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: do think binary is more like binary is that is

717
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: this the simplest one kind of It's more a rigid

718
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: it's more rigid it's like binary is basically it's basically

719
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: like ones and zeros, Like you you can be a

720
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: one or you can be a zero and then insert

721
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: thing here. You can be tall or short, dead or alive.

722
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: There is no that is a binary like you have

723
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,919
Speaker 1: to decide, whereas dichotomy can be more maybe um, there's

724
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: more room for interpretation where you can be like the

725
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: dichotomy between science and art, like that doesn't necessarily mean

726
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: those things are opposites, but it does mean that they

727
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: occupy opposing spaces in our like imagination. Right, yeah, I

728
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: think that's exactly it. Yeah, um, like a dichotomy Okay,

729
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: I think I've got it. Okay, Like a dichonomy is

730
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: like the dichotomy between red and blue. But it's like

731
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: there are plenty of other colors, but there's a dichotomy

732
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: between red and blue. Yeah I can see that. I

733
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: can see that. Yeah, that's good. Okay, I got an Okay,

734
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: So then that raises the question is like like a

735
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: binary is straight, but a dichotomy is it's less straight

736
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: because it's at least well, this is what I Yeah,

737
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: I think that that's well. Can I think for a second,

738
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: I mean, what is straight? I would say, is someone

739
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: saying something, is it like using the word dichotomy straight? Definitely, yeah,

740
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: because it's an instinct to organize the world. It's like

741
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: I can't process multiple things being true at the same time,

742
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: so I have to invent a dichotomy. Okay, this is rude,

743
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: this is this is um denying. Dichotomy is like existence,

744
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: but it's kind of like an unnecessary word, Like it's

745
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: kind of a word that like doesn't describe anything, but

746
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: sounds like it's describing so much. And you could just

747
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: be like red and blue are different, but to be like,

748
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: well the dichotomy between red and blue, it's like grow up,

749
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: Like you're not proving to me that you're smarter. Said dichotomy, Well,

750
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: yes it is. Yes. I feel like it's so what

751
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: you're pointing to so true, which is that it's not

752
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: really about whether dichotomys are straight or gay. It's about

753
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: the fact that when you use the word dichotomy that

754
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: is straight. I also think that some thing that we

755
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: are actually coming up against, like in terms of argument,

756
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: is that like binary is straight, and dichotomy is such

757
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: a way of queering that, which is like saying that

758
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 1: thinks all kinds of different things can exist in one thing.

759
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: So I want to I want to just name that

760
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: so that we can move forward and find another way

761
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: because I know that there's a way we can do

762
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: because to me, it is like there is something that

763
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: feels like when I read dichotomies in the Katie's List,

764
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: I thought, yes, right, let's get because you were thinking

765
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: by well, sorry, that was not meant an accusatory way.

766
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: I'm just no, I just explain yourself. I guess I

767
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: was thinking that people use dichotomy to talk about why

768
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: two things are opposing or why two things are um

769
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: have like pension between them so and which I think

770
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: is like a very straight thing to do, Like that

771
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: comes from a place of one, like you said, wanting

772
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: to organize the world and talk about why, yeah, things

773
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: are not cohesive, why why they're not like in unity?

774
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: And I think that is something where I'm like, grow up,

775
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: Like things don't need to have connections that are related

776
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: to conflict or related to how they don't fit with one.

777
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 1: Try to draw positive connections rather than negative ones. Rather

778
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: than saying that economy between red and blue, why not

779
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: say let's what I love red and I love blue?

780
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: Or or I love red, but I'm sexually attracted from blue.

781
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: I was raised by red, but I don't. Yes, I

782
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: was assigned red at birth. Yeah, I want to be blue.

783
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: But you know, like like like I feel like, okay,

784
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: like hot and cold or something like that. I guess

785
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: that that is a binary. But people talk about the

786
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: dichotomist relationship between hot and cold and like, sometimes it's

787
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: not like that. Sometimes you're so hot that you start

788
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: sweating and you start shivering. What's going on there? Okay?

789
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: I think I think what's wrong with the problem? Okay, okay,

790
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: we are focusing too much on the dichotomy between dichotomies

791
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: and binaries. Fuck ship that stopping our conversation when it

792
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: isn't even the point. Yeah, Okay, you're right. Okay, you're right,

793
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: You're right the end because we're trying. I mean, this

794
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: whole conversation started with literally the dichotomis impulse to create

795
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: tension between two terms rather than celebrating them as too

796
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: gorgeous terms that can exist in a in a term diversity.

797
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, it's like I love dichotomies and

798
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: I also love buying. Are like imagine imagine your and

799
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: also can I say something there can be dichonomies and

800
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: also by something can be both the dichomy and a binary.

801
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: Even when Sam said, like the blue and red example,

802
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, finally we found an economy that

803
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: isn't a binary. But it's like, let it be whatever, right.

804
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: And also some people, by the way, don't see like

805
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: blue and they don't see red like that, My god,

806
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: it's literally able is to say that there's an economy

807
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: between blue and red because some people are blue red

808
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: color blind. Yes, imagine you're yeah, imagine you're also, by

809
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: the way, I just want to say because I'm scared

810
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: that like like for some reason, I keep having this

811
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: thing of like thinking of the sound bites, like I

812
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: don't want to say like people can be male and female.

813
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what because that was my example before you're

814
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: saying you don't believe, Yes, you do reject that specific binary. Yeah,

815
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: and also dichotomy. Okay, So I do think we can

816
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: all agree that when it comes to gender, those are

817
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: the only binaries and dichotomy as we firmly reject. Yeah,

818
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: everything else totally we're going to explore, We're gonna all in.

819
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: So to me, it's like, Okay, here's here's a psychotic

820
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: comparison to me, It's like binary is bisexual, dichotomy is

821
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: pan sexual. But like, why two orgeous women against one

822
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: another rather than just celebrating both? That is actually so genius,

823
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: thank you, there's something really interesting happening there because you

824
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: don't how some people say that bisexual to them is

825
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: like their gender and genders that are different from theirs,

826
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: rather than what it traditionally meant, which is so um.

827
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: I think that that's in conversation with exactly well, yeah,

828
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: it's like even right, It's like the meaning of something

829
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: like by which quite literally means too, has evolved with

830
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: culture and language, and like you're not tied to its

831
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: literal meaning of two. You don't have to believe in

832
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: a bin area to be bisexual. So where is that want?

833
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, I have um maybe it's too early

834
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: to shift gears a little bit, but no, I think

835
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: it's I think we need to talk about like dichotomy

836
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: is evil, um, evil like sibling the false dichotomy. I'm

837
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: gonna I'm I'm yeah, I think you're right. I'm not

838
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: happy about it. And but it's like that's the thing

839
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: I almost feel like that's brought up more than dichotomys themselves.

840
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: Maybe dichotomy herself is a straw man, Like there can

841
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: never really be a dichotomy, so the concept of echotomy

842
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: only exists for people to point out false dichotomies. Oh

843
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: my god, it's been a fucking trap the whole time.

844
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: I kind of think that's true. Well, even you saying

845
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: herself and then calling her a straw man, I mean

846
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: there's something I'm rejecting binaries left and fucking right today.

847
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: Something's like something's going on. I'm genderschotomy. Okay, now you're

848
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: like crapping. So it's almost like and the same thing

849
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: happens with false binary too. You're kind of like, m

850
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: kind of like take it one step further. Yes, this

851
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: is a false dichotomy, But doesn't that mean there are

852
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: no dichotomies? What's the value in dichotomy? Is like pointing

853
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: out at dichotomy, what is what is the benefit? What

854
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: is that? Like I understand like saying the words like

855
00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: just juxtaposition, like when you say juxtaposition between this and this,

856
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: and like, yes, that means something to me, But saying

857
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: there's a dichotomy, I still don't understand like the point

858
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: of pointing it out, and I don't see what it

859
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: and maybe this is impossible, but maybe this is going

860
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: to throw our conversation off really far. But I want

861
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: to know the practical reason this word even exists. I

862
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: do think, going back to like how dichotomy is like

863
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: a branch branching into two branches, I think there is

864
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 1: a sort of usefulness to tracking the evolution of thought

865
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: and of concepts. So if you say, like the dichotomy

866
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: between stand up and improv or something, it's like, those

867
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: are two forms of comedy that branched out of something,

868
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: and it is useful to talk about their differences. It

869
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 1: is a way to again, it's the way to concept

870
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's a toxic and bad way to

871
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: conceptualize the world, but it is a way to organize it.

872
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: Like the usefulness is organizing concepts, and then the pitfalls

873
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: of that are the fact that when you organize something

874
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: things get left out in marginalized. Yes, well, I was

875
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: gonna recently similar which is that you know, I know

876
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: it as a literary concept and its function is to

877
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: create a like attention or conflict between between opposing or

878
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: non harmonious things and like that being said, like I

879
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: think that it probably has you know, pretty colonial roots

880
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: because the one that I feel like was always an

881
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 1: example like in school was like civilized and like not civilized. Yeah,

882
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 1: and that's actually a good example of the branch going

883
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: into It's like some people were became civilized, like we

884
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: all started as one people and then some became civilized civilized,

885
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: we became siblings and then did not Like there's a

886
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: certain temporal element to it that I that I think

887
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: doesn't exist in binaries. Is that like I think that

888
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: to me not to try once again to put two

889
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: beautiful concepts against one another, but there's a change that's happening. Yeah, yeah,

890
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: that's interesting, right, And it's just it's like not like

891
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: by nature that they are imposing things like they become

892
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: but but yes, civilized and civilized like a classic example

893
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: of a toxic dichotomy totally and like good and bad.

894
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: Can I ask a more general question, what do you

895
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: think is the obsession with the number two? Why can

896
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: there be two types? Like binary dichotomy? But like not

897
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: only is there an instinct to categorize, but it has

898
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: to be in groups of two, like there can only

899
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: be two of something, two genders, two kinds of civilizations too.

900
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: Um you know, uh, what's another example of you know,

901
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 1: it's like, for instance, when people talk about like stem

902
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: and the humanities, like it's two types of disciplines or like, um,

903
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, I totally know what

904
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, I think it does go back

905
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: to that that you know, bisexual hands axual concept, which

906
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: is like you experience yourself and then there is the

907
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: other person or the it's you and then the rest.

908
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: So there is like a natural way where we exist

909
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: in like how we go about the world and then

910
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: like knowing that there's a world outside of us. Yeah,

911
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: I mean you don't really think I guess that. Yeah,

912
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: I guess that makes sense. The ultimate binaries like interior

913
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 1: versus exterior. Can there be a three way dichotomy? Well

914
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: by definition because that die co is like implies to

915
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: so there I think it would be like a trichotomy

916
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: would be three. So it's um blue red and the

917
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: trieconomy between improv, stand up and sketch co. Yeah, which

918
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: I think is also able. Is that's interesting? That's interesting, Well,

919
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: because I was going to say that there is a

920
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: sort of third to the back to the existence category

921
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: of this, which is like subconscious and dreams and like

922
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: before you're born and after you're born. Totally, totally. But

923
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: but something like subconscious, isn't that a dichotomy with conscious? Yeah? Girl?

924
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: Or it's a triecontomy between it's subconscious, unconscious and conscious. Yeah,

925
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: we're I think we're getting Do you guys think that?

926
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: Or are we getting further? And I have another question,

927
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: do you think that Katie is happy with us? And this?

928
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: I think Katie will be um on the rooftops of

929
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: Bushwick with a sniper pointed at my door after this conversation.

930
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine that she is satisfied. And oh yeah,

931
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: knowing her, I mean, I'm picturing Katie is this is

932
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: the best day. I kind of agree. Okay, well, I

933
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: guess I'm canceled and no one agrees with me. That's

934
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: not you don't have to perpetuate yourself as the victim,

935
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: as the gay person at a sport. I guess I'm

936
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: just the only gay person in this podcast portraying yourself

937
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: as the gay person. I guess it's straight night at

938
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: Stradio Lab and everyone's annoyed at me. Do we think

939
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: that the antidote to dichotomy? Culture is basically a three

940
00:58:55,040 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: way conversation like the one we're having now. Wow, Like

941
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: we are forced to be so nimble, and you know,

942
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: sometimes I agree, I'm agreeing with Celeste and we're disagreeing

943
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: with Sam. Sometimes I'm agreeing with Salmon or distree with Celest.

944
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: It's like we all have to be comfortable occupying, you know,

945
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: being in a constant state of flux. Yeah, I think so.

946
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: And I think that straight culture is pushing that away.

947
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: It's not wanting to explore the possibility of their being

948
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: a third option, and even more than that, it's wanting

949
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: to keep the two right, whereas queer culture says, what

950
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: about Ralph Nader? Right? Wait, what you fear? Culture is

951
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: always like what about Ralph Nader? Yeah? What about Dennis Cuson?

952
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: Totally totally, but whatever, why I'm Celeste For anyone who

953
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: doesn't know Celess as Canadian, so they might not be

954
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: familiar with some of the famous third party candidates of

955
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: American is great history. Okay, here we go. Thank you

956
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: for doing like an explanation, like in like a half

957
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: has a way, I didn't I want to bring up

958
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: something that I've been kind of trying to think about

959
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: how to frame this in a way that would be

960
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: like interesting or funny, but I kind of can't get there.

961
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna kind of say it plainly, which

962
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: is that a few months ago, really good friend of

963
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: mine died and I've been grieving that loss. And her

964
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: name is was actually Katie. Oh my gosh. And this

965
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: has been and that you know, it's been actually a

966
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:40,959
Speaker 1: pretty hard week grief wise for me, and talking about

967
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: this has been extremely cathartic in this really weird way.

968
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: It's like this, you know, you didn't tell me the

969
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: name of the person um, the patreon, the patronatre, what

970
01:00:53,960 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: do you before the episode, I didn't know. I didn't

971
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: know the patron's name. And talking about the list that

972
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: Katie has set up for us to discuss in order

973
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: to become closer with one another and make a connection

974
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: through podcast, you know, it's feeling kind of beautiful to me.

975
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cry. I know, that's so sweet, sweet, it's

976
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: really nice. Yeah, I can. I'm very happy that, uh,

977
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, you can come on to a podcast as

978
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: stupid as this an access a deeper meaning and I'm

979
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: glad that Katie Patron Katie can be part of that.

980
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: And I think maybe you know, we're we were all

981
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: meant to be at this specific place, at this specific

982
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: time for this uh collective feeling to happen. I'm honestly

983
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: taken aback by both of your abilities to reach deep

984
01:01:54,000 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: emotions within this podcast episode. I yeah, it's impressive. You're

985
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: you're you're open to love, and with love you fear

986
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: that people will die. And with dichotomy, you have to

987
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: understand that with life, there is death. And Katie has

988
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: given us this gift today of meaning of understanding. Even

989
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: though Sam tried to make this episode about lists of food, Yeah, eating, okay,

990
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: what to be completely George's George's okay. Georgia was being

991
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: really funny before we started recording, when he was listening

992
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: to this wine. I cannot believe this. I cannot believe this.

993
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: You were trying to get George's being so funny before

994
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: we started recording about this fucking wine. And and then

995
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I tried to capture that on

996
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: air and it turned it turned sour. You could say

997
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: the wine turned into vinegar. Oh my god, that's like

998
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: that that's the dichotomy. By the way, that's the definition

999
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: of economy, because they were one thing, but they one thing.

1000
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: Damn you know, so lest I have to say, I'm

1001
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: very impressed with your ability to get to a deeper

1002
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: place and then literally weaponize that against saying I know

1003
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: this is crazy, like that actually is ultimate villain status,

1004
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: Like to literally weaponize um, your own emotional vulnerability and

1005
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: then what say I'm gonna do? I mean, he's not

1006
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: he's not going to fight back. I mean, you've already

1007
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: established your emotionally vulnerable. Well you have to give a

1008
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: little bit to take some away. Yeah, I mean, I

1009
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: guess it's weird. I remember maybe up ten minutes ago

1010
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: telling me to stop being a victim, stop pretending to

1011
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: be a victim, and yeah, everyone keeps attacking me, and

1012
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: it's sort of like, well, I'll stop being the victim

1013
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,919
Speaker 1: when I stopped being the victim, you know what I mean. Well,

1014
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 1: I also want to say that thank you for you know, um,

1015
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: celebrating my ability to do that. I want to pass

1016
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: that along to Sam and to celebrate his ability to

1017
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: to what tell George that he was being funny with

1018
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: a heavy obligation that he would I'm not. I'm sorry,

1019
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: but if someone's the villain, like and call that being

1020
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: a victim to be told, I mean, after we've after

1021
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: I have apologized repeatedly for my role in you know,

1022
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: sorry pointing out to Sam that he's literally endorsing an

1023
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: evil real estate developer on our podcast, Like, I feel

1024
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: like then, I really tried my hardest to come back

1025
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: from that, to rebound, and then to be told a

1026
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: full hour and a half later that I wasn't being

1027
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: funny at the beginning of the episode. You know, look,

1028
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: I was told that I made you list food and

1029
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: I had to say my reasoning, but your reasoning was

1030
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: But I'm I understanding you found it funny when I

1031
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: said I had two glasses of wine, but I truly

1032
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: promised all I did would say I had two glasses

1033
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: of wine, one rose, one white. Wow, this is this

1034
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: is the most we've ever beefed on a podcast. That's

1035
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm like sweating, are you yeah, I'm crying, I'm always heading,

1036
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm coming up. I actually I'm drinking like an ice.

1037
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: I haven't had like a cold brew from this place

1038
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: down the street in a very long time, and it's

1039
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: like so strong and I'm actually kind of shaking from it. Yeah,

1040
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm feeling exactly well, should we do our final segment?

1041
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: I think we actually should. George, can you explain it?

1042
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 1: I've done so much explaining. You've done a lot of labor,

1043
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: both emotional and physically. Um. And I just want to

1044
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: once again apologize for not being funny. UM. And I

1045
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: want to apologize to I want to apologize for plugging um.

1046
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: The downfall of Ridge would be a real estate companies.

1047
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: I did not mean that. I just yeah. And I

1048
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: just want to say, if your name is Kermit schmirgen

1049
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: Frog or whatever his name was, then do not listen

1050
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 1: to this podcast. You are not welcome here. And if

1051
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: your name is Katie, then anyone named um. Yeah. Well,

1052
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Speaker 1: our final segment is called Shoutouts, and in this segment

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Speaker 1: we pay homage to a foundational element of straight culture,

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Speaker 1: which is yes, the radio shout out. We shout out

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Speaker 1: something that we support and therefore endorse it officially in

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Speaker 1: the political process of the United States of America. So

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Speaker 1: I am happy to go first. Um, what's up? Freaks

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Speaker 1: and Geeks by John Apatow, the Forgotten and Underrated series.

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Speaker 1: I want to give a quick shout out to Cottage Cheese.

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Speaker 1: You are the queen of inner beauty and and and

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Speaker 1: not and not judging a book by its cover. You

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Speaker 1: see something like cottage cheese and you say, okay, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: is this expired? Like there are literally white balls in

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Speaker 1: a white like a liquid that I'm supposed to like

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Speaker 1: eat with fruit. You better be absolutely out of your mind.

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Speaker 1: And in fact you are under arrest for trying to

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Speaker 1: food poison me. Allah some novel where that happens potentially

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Speaker 1: phantom fread. But in fact you are such a queen

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Speaker 1: and you you you can be dressed up, you can

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Speaker 1: be dressed down. You can be sweet, you can be savory,

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Speaker 1: you can be on toast, you can be in a bowl.

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Speaker 1: No one has the range you do. You are Julianne Moore,

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Speaker 1: you are Isabelley Pair and the fact that you are

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Speaker 1: a girl next door with glasses doesn't work against you.

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Speaker 1: It works for you because it only makes you more sophisticated.

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Speaker 1: So shout out to my girl, Cottage cheese. Whoa George.

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Speaker 1: That is genius, And I couldn't agree more. I feel

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Speaker 1: because cheese is like such a nasty food, it like

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Speaker 1: comes back around and it's like a food for models.

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Speaker 1: It's like, yes, yeah, it's just I'm thinking of like

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Speaker 1: the most gorgeous girl living in the nineties eating cottage sheets,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, yes, I really. It is a huge

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Speaker 1: part of my life. I have it for breakfast multiple

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Speaker 1: times a week. It's like the picture of like something rotten,

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Speaker 1: but the taste is its fresh. Um, Okay, I can

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Speaker 1: go next. What's up, my little perverts around the globe.

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Speaker 1: I would like to give a huge shout out to

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Speaker 1: the film The Northman. I went to see this movie

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Speaker 1: this week, and I give it two thumbs all the

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Speaker 1: way up. I'm it felt like maybe if you took

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Speaker 1: an action movie and put like art filter on it,

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Speaker 1: it felt both pretentious and unpretentious. I left that movie

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Speaker 1: and I was like, that movie was about nothing except

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Speaker 1: the story that the movie was. I left that movie

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Speaker 1: and I said, I'm fucking pumped up, and I wish

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Speaker 1: it were a Friday because I'm trying to go out.

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Speaker 1: But it was in fact a Thursday, and I was

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Speaker 1: raged up from The Northman, and I went home and

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Speaker 1: went to sleep and had a dream in which someone

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Speaker 1: in front of me got their throat cut on the

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Speaker 1: bus I woke up screaming, up screaming, but I was

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Speaker 1: able to get back to sleep in the next half hour,

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Speaker 1: so all was not lost. And so you shout out

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Speaker 1: to the Northman shout out again, vivid image. I forgot

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Speaker 1: that part when I started the shout out, and then

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Speaker 1: as I was going it A crazy part of like

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Speaker 1: sharing a dream like that is now you've actually given

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Speaker 1: that dream. Now other people listening will be having it. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry for that in advance. Is there like a

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Speaker 1: time when no, No, it's true, you're thinking, I don't

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Speaker 1: think so, honey. I actually guest recently had an idea

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Speaker 1: for and I don't think so, honey. And I tried

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Speaker 1: to think of a way to use it for this,

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Speaker 1: but I look like I really couldn't get there. And

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Speaker 1: I can't share it because I don't want to burn it.

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Speaker 1: It's just too good. No problem now, um, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: want to give a shout out to dumb. It's one

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Speaker 1: of the main things for me right now. I carry

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Speaker 1: a pack everywhere I go. What else that you can

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Speaker 1: buy at every store can give you a renewed sense

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Speaker 1: of how you're carrying yourself. You you It only takes

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Speaker 1: a one bite of them to feel ready to take

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Speaker 1: on something I've never been doing. Excuse speak on that

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Speaker 1: you don't bite gum? Sam? Would you say you bite?

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Speaker 1: But I mean I think we're making a dichonomy between

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Speaker 1: bite and choo is bite and chee the last dichonomy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: actually an amazing dipod. Well. I think a bite is

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Speaker 1: a part is one chew. A bite is one chew. See.

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Speaker 1: For me, a bite is biting, like you bite to

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Speaker 1: cut a piece off. That's why I feel like I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't buy a gum. What about when? What about when

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Speaker 1: your first eating the gun? I would consider the first

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Speaker 1: when you're breaking into the shell, it's biting. Whoa. I

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Speaker 1: basically think of biting as with the front teeth. That's

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Speaker 1: so limiting. So this is like like you're like not

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Speaker 1: living your full life if you're only biting as your

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Speaker 1: front teeth. Like bite was like on fucking trial. Like

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Speaker 1: with my shout out, okay, sorry, I love gum and

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Speaker 1: I agree with the last show out the least any

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Speaker 1: um final thoughts on gum. I do feel potentially that

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Speaker 1: we um hijacked here. Yeah, and I did specifically not

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Speaker 1: to be not to make it about me. Um No,

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Speaker 1: I think I think that you have to accept sometimes

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Speaker 1: when a natural moment. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. In my defense,

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Speaker 1: I was being ironically mad when I said, well, you

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Speaker 1: don't fight, but okay, and kind of thought it would

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Speaker 1: lead to a sort of playful kind of conversation. But

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Speaker 1: I realized in retrospect that sounded like I really was disagree. Well, George,

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Speaker 1: did you know with your with your natural born tone,

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Speaker 1: you are not allowed to sort of play with sarcasm

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Speaker 1: And you're right, You're right. Well, this has been an

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Speaker 1: incredible episode, A grade. Thank you so much for doing well,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me back. Um, I want to

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Speaker 1: ask if how you're feeling now, George, about you know

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Speaker 1: your fear coming true, which is that this is this

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Speaker 1: is about to end. I just want to check in

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Speaker 1: what's going on. You know. What's interesting is I think

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Speaker 1: I have so we're recording an episode after this, and

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Speaker 1: because I don't want to feel the the little death

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Speaker 1: of the episode ending, I have now focused my energy

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Speaker 1: on being stressed about the next episode. Okay, so we've

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Speaker 1: completely a lot. No, it's it's that it's too dark

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Speaker 1: to think about. I will only be able to process

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Speaker 1: this episode ending when the next one also ends, and

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Speaker 1: I finally sit down with just my own thoughts. Interesting

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Speaker 1: that I think that that's helpful for me to hear

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Speaker 1: in terms of how to move on from grief. Well,

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Speaker 1: an interesting little trapped to put Georges. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I am not at all. I mean I think, um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like there is this way where you can't really move on.

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Speaker 1: You just have to add to it or something. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I think that the more it colors smaller things, and

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Speaker 1: then I mean, it's never gonna go away. It's just

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01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: going to become part of your life. And then the

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Speaker 1: more it becomes part of your life, the more you

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Speaker 1: almost have love for it because it is something that

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Speaker 1: is also tied to things that that are otherwise good.

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Speaker 1: I completely agree. Like the effectation that's going to pass

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01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 1: is like it's it's not like reasonable. But also there's

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Speaker 1: this way where it's exciting to think about something that

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Speaker 1: won't go away in their way. Yeah, class, we love

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01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: you so fun, such a delight and yeah, and it's

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01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: over now and it's over, but it's over now maybe

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Speaker 1: not mhm, not forever, not forever, not until I um

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Speaker 1: come back with the topic heterosexuality. That's right, Okay, alright, bye,

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Speaker 1: okay bye bye