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Speaker 1: We haven't had a chance to talk since this Epstein

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Speaker 2: And the one thing, the one fundamental lesson is if

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Speaker 2: Clinton's greatest regret and Donald Trump will will never ever,

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Speaker 3: On the question of Emil Bouvy, I think important.

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Speaker 3: Right, Bovet is no different than John Roberts. Correct.

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Speaker 1: is essentially going to be that he was an enabler

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Speaker 1: Decision and all of these things that.

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Speaker 2: John Roberts called me. I ran his confirmation and he

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Speaker 2: called me on the tenth anniversary of him becoming Chief Justice,

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Speaker 2: and he said, I just want to thank you for

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Speaker 2: everything you did for me to make this happen. What

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Speaker 2: a what an experience this has been. This was this

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Speaker 2: was two thy fifteen, and obviously you know I was

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Speaker 2: there for every prep session, everything else, you know, And

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Speaker 2: eleven years later, you know, after that call, John Roberts

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Speaker 2: is the worst Chief Justice this country's had since Tanny

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Speaker 2: Right with the Roberts Court is a disgrace. It'll be

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Speaker 2: remembered as it be remembered as a disgrace one hundred

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Speaker 2: years after he's dead, and.

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Speaker 3: A paull.

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Speaker 2: The absolute collapse of integrity, rectitude. I mean, you just

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Speaker 2: don't know. I mean I try to, I don't. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what the Culture's like, I just know, if

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Speaker 2: I was one of the nine people right on a

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Speaker 2: lifetime appointment sitting in a room with Clarence Thomas and

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Speaker 2: a samuel A lead up, I guess they'd have to

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Speaker 2: bring the marshals into the room, right right, I would?

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Speaker 3: I would. I would not have a good reaction to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah at all.

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Speaker 1: Well, Steve, we got to keep these conversations going. We

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Speaker 1: don't do them often enough. The other thing I didn't

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Speaker 1: want to get into, just very briefly, and it's the

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Speaker 1: reason that's sort of the reason why I brought up

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Speaker 1: the Nick Fointees thing. It is tied to this Epstein case,

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Speaker 1: is whether it is possible that Trump's fingers can be

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Speaker 1: pried away from the manisphere, that you have all of

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Speaker 1: these impressionable young men in this country. You and I

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Speaker 1: think when I first started into this independent media thing,

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Speaker 1: you and I jumped on the phone one day and

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Speaker 1: we had a really long conversation about about young men

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Speaker 1: and how they have just been totally led astray in

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Speaker 1: this country, and it manifested itself in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four election, and we're starting to see some of that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there just seems to be some

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Speaker 1: cracks in the ice under Trump's feet right now, And

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Speaker 1: I just wonder is that a positive development in all

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Speaker 1: of this too, not that we should be looking for

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Speaker 1: silver linings. And I was saying with Kara's wisher yesterday,

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Speaker 1: I will not say the walls are closing in on

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Speaker 1: Donald Trum. We've learned this too many times. He's an

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Speaker 1: escape artist. But if there's some way that we could

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Speaker 1: at least see just some healthy skepticism in the manisphere,

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Speaker 1: I think that would do an enormous amount of good

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Speaker 1: and correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe I'm overstating it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think, well, first off, Donald

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Speaker 2: is able to escape from almost any force opposing him.

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Speaker 3: Except for himself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what he excels at is luck, right, you know,

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Speaker 2: he has he has as luck in his opponents, right.

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Speaker 3: He has had luck right in that he.

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Speaker 2: Is able to navigate his opponent's weaknesses and hypocrisies.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: And and at the at the core, Hunter Biden just

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Speaker 2: went out and said, the reason that Democrats lost is

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Speaker 2: because they weren't loyal with my father. That's that's not

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Speaker 2: the reason. The reason Democrats lost two elections to Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump is they were perceived as the less honest party

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Speaker 2: with the less honest candidate running against the most prolific

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Speaker 2: liar in American history.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: And so so when I say that, there's a couple

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Speaker 2: of ways to process it. You could say, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: Steve Schmidt said that, let's kill him. Right, it's just

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Speaker 2: like the Twitter. He actually shouted down right, you know,

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Speaker 2: and that's kind.

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Speaker 3: Of the standard. That's the standard.

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Speaker 2: Fair, right, you know, you say, wow, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: Zorhanman don doesn't look like he's going to win an

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Speaker 2: election in Texas to me, right, you know, I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure this is the future face of a Democratic party, right, no, no, no, right,

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Speaker 2: you know, the screaming, the shouting down right, the you know,

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Speaker 2: the whole the whole deal, the whole deal with that

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Speaker 2: Democrats have to face this. You have the most prolific liar,

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Speaker 2: and you lost an election because you were considered less

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Speaker 2: honest on three core issues. And you look at young men.

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Speaker 2: The most important thing for young men to get them

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Speaker 2: back right, stopped telling them, if you're a Democratic politician,

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Speaker 2: there's broken and there's something wrong with them, and that

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Speaker 2: they have a collective guilt for all the sins of

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Speaker 2: the world over twenty thousand years, because my fifteen year

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Speaker 2: old doesn't have a clue what any of them were

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Speaker 2: talking about.

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Speaker 3: They don't know what that means, right.

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Speaker 2: And the second thing is young men, they're not going

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Speaker 2: to be for the losers, right, and more and more

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Speaker 2: every day these Magot people look like the giant losers

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Speaker 2: we know they are. They are losers, and they're and

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Speaker 2: their lies buyers and their and their cons. But that counterculture.

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Speaker 3: Element that.

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Speaker 2: Eat those online, right, it's juvenile, it's stupid.

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Speaker 3: So of course I would just like men.

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Speaker 1: I would love I'd love young men to just care

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Speaker 1: about baseball and and movies and cool ship that you

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Speaker 1: and I used to like, Arnold Schwarzenegger movies and things

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Speaker 1: like this, the ship that we used to like growing up,

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Speaker 1: and Taddy Shack one liners and things, and not Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump and not this toxic right wing politics we have

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Speaker 1: going on in this country. And if this Epstein files

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Speaker 1: case can shake.

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Speaker 2: Some of that out of them and their blessing, yeah, no, listen,

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Speaker 2: And it's it's important. It's important for men to be

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Speaker 2: able to talk to boys, right, And there's not been

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Speaker 2: enough for men who who have said this, right, you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't think. I think there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of men who were intimidated for having conversations right between

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Speaker 2: men about men and men and boys while this was

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Speaker 2: while this was going on in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: And what you want to say to a young man

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Speaker 2: is that Elon Musk is a freak show, right if

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Speaker 2: you if you want to go and have a hundred

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Speaker 2: kids and spread your sperm around, you're a weirdo and

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Speaker 2: a jerk off.

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Speaker 3: And you don't want to be either of them, right,

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's.

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Speaker 2: A loser, and and the and and whatever his name,

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Speaker 2: Andrew Tate's a pussy right and yeah?

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Speaker 3: And young men right and.

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Speaker 1: Probably and probably a despicable human being an appearance based

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Speaker 1: on you, I mean just yeah.

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Speaker 2: Young young men you know, need firm hand uh, young

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Speaker 2: men need discipline. Young men need to be raised in

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Speaker 2: a culture of respect and dignity, and and young men

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Speaker 2: need to be challenged to contribute. Young men need to

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Speaker 2: understand that they need to look out for the least

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Speaker 2: amongst us, and that a man looks around to see

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Speaker 2: if there's someone being picked on.

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Speaker 3: What can I do to stop that?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: And there's so many different things in here where the

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Speaker 2: lowest and the worst have been ellgated.

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Speaker 1: Right, Let's keep this conversation going because it's so spot on,

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Speaker 1: it's so important, so it's so right to do. And

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Speaker 1: I you know, this case is about the Epstein case

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Speaker 1: is about young girls. And I would like to see

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Speaker 1: men to be more concerned about the victims in that case,

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Speaker 1: to see you know that there is a life away

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Speaker 1: from misogyny and and and just the bullshit that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump has normalized over the last several years and wrapped

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Speaker 1: it up in just a in a just a hall

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Speaker 1: of mirrors of lies. And I just hope that this

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Speaker 1: Epstein files case is just starting to create some tiny

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Speaker 1: little cracks with that manisphere. But Steve as always great

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Speaker 1: to talk to you. Man, we don't do this enough.

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Speaker 3: Go to see it, Jim.

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Speaker 5: I'm Steve Schmidt. This is the warning. I invite you

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Speaker 5: to join this community where I promise to be honest,

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Speaker 5: blunt and direct about what is happening in this country.

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Speaker 5: America is in crisis. Follow and subscribe to this channel

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Speaker 5: and on substack.

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Speaker 2: Thank you