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Speaker 1: At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he is

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Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson. As you can hear my voice still

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Speaker 3: not completely back, no, but getting better improving.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: At least you can kind of understand what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: You were gutting through it last week. It was rough.

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Speaker 3: These last two weeks have been you know, you don't

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Speaker 3: you don't understand, like how frustrating it is not to

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Speaker 3: be able to talk.

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Speaker 2: I bet, I bet they're even just mumble a syllable

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Speaker 2: two here or there point or whatever. I mean, you've

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Speaker 2: been gotten through it, to say the least. Let alone.

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Speaker 2: We kind of do this for a living. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, So I went.

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Speaker 3: To a retirement party for one of my former co

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Speaker 3: workers over the weekend and it was in a casino.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so there's a lot of ambient noise. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: sure it's hard to hear there anyway, hard enough. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And everybody that I spoke to I had to

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Speaker 3: like get up in their ear and it's just very frustrating.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you'll be like close talking to everybody just

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Speaker 2: to say hello or whatever. Qush. In a situation like that,

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Speaker 2: I can imagine, and I say this a lot like

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Speaker 2: I can have a broken leg, I could be in

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Speaker 2: a wheelchair, I could have a broken back. But eyes

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Speaker 2: and mouth are the things I need for my job,

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Speaker 2: you know, without, without a doubt, and you're without well

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Speaker 2: you were without one of them for a while and

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Speaker 2: rebounding in a big way. So we are three days

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Speaker 2: a week though, and we're officially in the off season now.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's the dog days content, you know, right.

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Speaker 3: So Steelers wrapping up there mini camp last week. We

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Speaker 3: won't see them again until July twenty third at Saint

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Speaker 3: Bencent College And as far as you think, no, at

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Speaker 3: that point, it's going to be full steam ahead with

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: Oh sure.

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Speaker 3: And somebody just sent it to me on Twitter and

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Speaker 3: you as well, a story from MSN whatever some national

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Speaker 3: website Steelers fans frustrated that Aaron Rodgers not doing anything

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Speaker 3: at mini camp the Steelers. That was Mike tomlins phare decision,

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Speaker 3: right right, Yeah, that was not an Aaron Rodgers decision.

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Speaker 2: No, And we were there. I saw everything he did.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't just sitting around doing nothing. No, I mean

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Speaker 2: to say the least. And I can't stress this enough.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you want Howard and Rudolph to get

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Speaker 2: every rep they can, especially now, especially now, because the

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Speaker 2: bullets aren't flying for real. It's not full steam ahead,

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Speaker 2: as you mentioned, Saint Vincent. It's not eleven on eleven.

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Speaker 2: And even in Rogers opening interview, he said, coach Tomlin

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Speaker 2: and I decided I don't know the offense yet, I

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be running the team drills, you know. And that

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Speaker 2: makes all for a three day stretch, a three day stretch.

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Speaker 2: But what I can't stress enough is, and I've said

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Speaker 2: this over and over on the air, how engaged he

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Speaker 2: was while he was there. When he stepped on the field,

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Speaker 2: there was no laughing and joking or you know, going

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Speaker 2: to meet teammates. I paid attention to him exclusively for

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Speaker 2: a lot of it. And first off, as a player,

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Speaker 2: as a passer of the football, he's as different than

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Speaker 2: the other guys. Let's start with that.

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Speaker 3: You know, I saw something where somebody who was there said, oh,

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Speaker 3: he was asked how Rogers football so well? I didn't

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Speaker 3: see a lot of difference between him throwing the ball

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Speaker 3: and Mason Rudolph throwing the ball.

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Speaker 2: Like I don't know, it was the same way, right.

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Speaker 2: It's night and day, night and day, and Rudolph's fine.

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Speaker 2: All those guys are fine. Rogers is a special thrower

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Speaker 2: of the football. If Ben would have been there, he

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Speaker 2: would have looked different than those guys too. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: even quarterbacks before they even get the team drills, he's

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Speaker 2: like throwing to Friar Muth who then flips at the

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Speaker 2: flips it the Rogers. They don't want to break a finger,

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Speaker 2: from his shoulder, from his ear, from his waist, everywhere

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Speaker 2: in between on purpose. You know, these are just ten

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Speaker 2: little flicks to the wrist. Those aren't even like power throws.

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Speaker 2: And then watching them do they did a lot. I

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Speaker 2: always do, and it's part of the offense. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 2: gonna have boots and things like that. And maybe he's

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Speaker 2: not as good at those things as he was ten

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Speaker 2: years ago. I'm sure he's not, because he was amazing then,

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Speaker 2: but he was still way better than everybody else there.

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Speaker 2: And I can't imagine the people I was chatting with.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like Wes, I mean, he hasn't been to

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Speaker 2: a million practices, he wasn't a scout. He's like, this

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Speaker 2: looks a thousand times different. It's not even close of

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Speaker 2: the throwing of the football, the way it comes out,

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Speaker 2: the quickness that comes out, the christness that comes out

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Speaker 2: with the accuracy, even in those drills.

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, he's it just looks different. It just

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Speaker 3: looks I don't know how he does it. But when

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Speaker 3: you when you see still shots of him throwing the ball,

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Speaker 3: he gets on top of the football.

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Speaker 2: I know what you mean.

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Speaker 3: Nobody I've seen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. And that's

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Speaker 2: so I'm gonna go back a stead. That's a great

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Speaker 2: I don't even know how to even explain that either or.

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Speaker 3: The hand is just on top of the ball.

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Speaker 2: The grip of the ball, and that's definitely changed over

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Speaker 2: such a science where all the different throws, it's almost

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Speaker 2: like a picture, I would think, with different grip, it

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Speaker 3: Throwing a curveball on everything. Now a lot of times

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Speaker 3: people will call a trump per twelve six curveble a

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Speaker 3: football curve. You're on top of the.

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Speaker 3: Don't like nobody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a real different type of motion. And even

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Speaker 2: if you all of you have seen him play football

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Speaker 2: on TV, it's not as obvious as on the practice

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Speaker 2: field or if you come to Saint Vincent, you'll be like,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, that looks a lot.

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Speaker 3: Different and we just get so much more spin on it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: He really can spin it because of that, almost like

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Speaker 2: the biggest thing, I mean, obviously him throwing the football

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Speaker 2: there's only three practices, but he was either six inches

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Speaker 2: into Arthur Smith or Tom Art's ear the whole time

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Speaker 2: tell that they're just having conversations and he's asking and

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Speaker 2: he's learning. And if that wasn't going on, he was

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Speaker 2: teaching some other player. He was the mentor. I mean,

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Speaker 2: like fifty percent of the time on the field was

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Speaker 2: he was learning. Fifty percent of the time he was

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Speaker 2: teaching a younger player something, even a nod lineman, you know,

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Speaker 2: just and he could tell it was an instructional manner.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the conversations were about, but it

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Speaker 2: wasn't about you know, fluffy, non football stuff. Maybe that

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Speaker 3: People who are saying, well, you know, he's signed too late,

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Speaker 3: remember and this was one of my issues. Yeah, before

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Speaker 3: they sign him, so he has to be here for

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Speaker 3: the mandatory mini camp, has to be. Yeah, he was

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Speaker 3: in Egypt last year with the Jets, with the Jets

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Speaker 3: in Mini camp.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, at this exact time, that couldn't happen, right,

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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you're looking around like, okay,

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Speaker 2: who the Steelers quarterback is going to be? And it

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Speaker 2: became pretty apparent that Rogers is going to be at

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Speaker 2: the top of the list or very much in the mix.

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Speaker 2: I mean, and this was new. Yeah, we were talking

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Speaker 2: about that, like okay, when you're in, you're in, I

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Speaker 2: need you to be in. And you really stressed that

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Speaker 2: a lot and said it really at Mini camp too.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe no one will ever tell us this,

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Speaker 2: but the fact that he find like forty five seconds

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Speaker 2: after OTAs, I mean, it hadn't been not by accident.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that could have been figured out two months ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, I got a lot of stuff going on.

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Speaker 2: I want to enjoy this time and then I'll be

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Speaker 2: there with everybody. Cool, let's go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think, you know, just judging from

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Speaker 3: what I saw the group that they have, I think

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Speaker 2: I do too. There's a few areas that have issues

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Speaker 2: or would like a reinforcement a second receiver, for sure,

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Speaker 2: But if you upgrade a quarterback and you're still making

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Speaker 2: playoffs with lesser quarterback, right, you know? I mean I

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Speaker 2: think that not to me. The huge thing I've said

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Speaker 2: a million times is I expect him to be the

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Speaker 2: best quarterback they've had since Ben Ben's elbow surgery. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, and Ben wasn't totally washed after the elbow surgery,

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Speaker 2: but we knew at the end was rougher and it's

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Speaker 2: not the super highest bar to get over. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Fields and pick It and Trubisky, I mean, we know

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Speaker 2: the names, but I do expect this version to be

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Speaker 2: the best guy they've had for five six years or

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Speaker 2: something or something along those lines at the most important

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Speaker 2: position in the league. And I like the makeup of

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Speaker 2: the quarterback room. I mean, I love the true number

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Speaker 2: two and then a guy you kind of have hope for,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean that can come along and maybe

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Speaker 2: turns into it too. I don't think Howard's ever going

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Speaker 2: to be the guy either, but the age difference is

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Speaker 2: the way they're set up to probably possibly grab a

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Speaker 2: first round pick at that position next year. I had

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Speaker 2: so many conversations over the weekend grad parties, Father's Day stuff,

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Speaker 2: you know, like why would they bother with this for

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Speaker 2: a year? Why not just lose more games? Like, you

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Speaker 2: don't get it, it's it's not their DNA. And come December,

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Speaker 2: maybe things didn't go well, you know, I mean, maybe

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Speaker 2: it's a somewhat failed experiment. We know this league's hard,

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Speaker 2: but you might be going into a playoff game. We're

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Speaker 2: hosting a playoff game. Going I kind of like, my guy,

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Speaker 3: About it this way, if they win one more game

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Speaker 3: last year, they're going to Houston, yeah, instead of Baltimore, right, right, right,

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Speaker 3: if that one game had come against Baltimore, they're hosting.

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Speaker 2: Their host the playoff game. Yeah, with what looks like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, a lesser quarterback in my opinion, Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: without question, and how close it is though it is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think it's going to be better. I

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Speaker 2: We'll see. Yeah, I hope you were excited. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get through break. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: I'm Dale Lolli and listening.

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Speaker 3: You're on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 3: We are back. I'm Dale Lollie here with Matt Williamson

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Speaker 3: and Matt. Pro Football Focus has all of their position rankings. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: top thirty two at every position. I thought we'd take

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 3: I want to focus on the defense because no matter

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's still safe to say. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: They got a lot of good players on that side

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Speaker 3: I'm talking top five, I know.

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Speaker 2: I think that's possible.

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Speaker 3: So and look at the interior defensive lineman here first,

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Speaker 2: thirty one is is it okay? And this is the guy?

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Speaker 3: Then a lot of Steeler fans, oh he really he

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Speaker 2: Oh I don't see that.

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Speaker 3: Right, And that's the key, you mean, I think you

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Speaker 2: Well, that's kind of what I was going to say,

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Speaker 3: Twenty six is to and Andre Sweat with the Titans, Murphy's

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Speaker 2: I mean, he was a two hundred and seventy five

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Speaker 2: pound first round pick that tested like a linebacker. They

435
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Speaker 2: want a rotation there. They just keep adding and adding

436
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Speaker 2: and adding to that D line a lot of second,

437
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Speaker 2: third round picks, so I don't think they want to

438
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Speaker 2: put a ton on his plate, but him and Rousseau

439
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Speaker 2: are their best guys.

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Speaker 3: Eighteen John Franklin Myers with the Broncos.

441
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Speaker 2: He's another perfect example of had a good, good, solid career, professional,

442
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Speaker 2: tough guy, hard to play against. I think Allen's better

443
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Speaker 2: than he is though.

444
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 3: Seventeen Kobe Turner with the Rams.

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Speaker 2: Keeps getting better and better too. I mean, that's a

446
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Speaker 2: fine into what fourth round. I don't think he'll ever

447
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Speaker 2: be at the Cam Hayward Chris Jones level, but he

448
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Speaker 2: could go from like a tier three guy to a

449
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Speaker 2: Tier two guy right and worried about now. He's hard

450
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Speaker 2: to play against.

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Speaker 3: Toho sixteen Klayus Campbell now the Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: That's probably too hard, that's probably I mean, I respect

453
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Speaker 2: him to know end, but how much is he really

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Speaker 2: gonna give you over seventeen game? You know? How many

455
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Speaker 2: snaps is he really going to play? You'd love to

456
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Speaker 2: have him in any locker room, in on any team.

457
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Speaker 2: And he's had a phenomenal career sort of in the

458
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Speaker 2: Cam Hayward, Cam Jordan mold of just longtime studs, you know,

459
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Speaker 2: but he probably plays thirty snaps a game this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe, Yes, I have a problem with fifteen year two,

461
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Speaker 3: not that he's on the list, but fifteen come on,

462
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Speaker 3: Poona Ford.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with the Rams, I like that he's underrated, you know.

464
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 2: And he's one of these dudes too that's shorter and

465
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Speaker 2: hard to play against. And he'll be a nice rotation

466
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Speaker 2: with Fisk and Turner. But I don't want him to

467
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Speaker 2: be the straw that serves the drink, no, you know.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen Milton Williams, Okay, I mean a lot of ability there.

469
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Speaker 2: He was a true project coming out of Louisiana Tech,

470
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Speaker 2: superstar tester at the combine. They bring him along slow

471
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Speaker 2: there didn't ask a lot of them, but he was

472
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Speaker 2: never a full time guy either. You know, this past year,

473
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Speaker 2: I don't know if New England will be happy they

474
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Speaker 2: gave him the immense money they did. They had to

475
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Speaker 2: give it to somebody. But he's If Barmore is healthy,

476
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Speaker 2: that could be a pretty dynamic pairing. Thirteen Alene McNeil

477
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Speaker 2: with Alliance. Yeah, another big body nose this guy. He's

478
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Speaker 2: a little more upfield and reader or Williams for them,

479
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Speaker 2: but they got a lot of beef on the inside.

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Speaker 3: Twelve is a Nandi man of Bouquet Ring Cup.

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Speaker 2: He may have taken a baby step backwards last year. No,

482
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Speaker 2: two years ago. He was a real force, pro bowl

483
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Speaker 2: easily type guy. Last year was good, but I didn't

484
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Speaker 2: think he was as dynamic.

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Speaker 3: Eleven Vita Vera with the Bucks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he reminds me of Loading Nauda. I mean he's

487
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Speaker 2: one of those guys that we talked about. He's as slow. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I might have him higher too. I mean if he

489
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Speaker 2: puts another four or five years together, I think you'd

490
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Speaker 2: be talking about Hall of Fame for him. I mean

491
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Speaker 2: he can push the pockets. He's not just a run

492
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Speaker 2: stuff or he's you know if you ask Levonte David

493
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Speaker 2: how valuable was Vita Vea. I'm sure it'd be, like,

494
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Speaker 2: that's the whole reason I'm doing, you know, eating up

495
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Speaker 2: guys left and right.

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Speaker 3: Ten Christian Wilkins last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean the Raiders front could be quite good.

498
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Speaker 2: They got some dudes though.

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Speaker 3: Nine Jeffrey Simmons with the Titans.

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Speaker 2: Such a bad team, always a lump. Him and Quentin

501
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: Williams together and who I'm sure we'll get to if

502
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 2: you just watch their tape. It's really good. And I'm

503
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Speaker 2: not saying that they're dogs, they're not at all, but

504
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: sometimes late in the year, when you're two and thirteen,

505
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: it's kind of hard to notice something. And they never

506
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 2: play with leads and you know what I mean, like

507
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: you'd love them to be a Steeler or anything like that.

508
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: It's not their fault at all that the teams have struggled.

509
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Speaker 3: Eight to Forrest Buckner with the Colts.

510
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Speaker 2: It's another professional that's really put together a strong season.

511
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Speaker 2: Him and Stewart together is a pretty nice pairing. They're

512
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Speaker 2: a little up in age, but yeah, I respect Buckner

513
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Speaker 2: a lot.

514
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Speaker 3: Seven is Derek Brown with the Panthers.

515
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Speaker 2: I missed all he was like their only good defensive

516
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 2: player and they lost them for the year. If he

517
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Speaker 2: comes back to what he was, he'll be in that

518
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: neighborhood again.

519
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: Six Leonard Williams with the Seahawks.

520
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Speaker 2: He had a monster season for this guys. I mean

521
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 2: he's bounced around the league a little bit, but former

522
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: first like I think he was like third or fourth

523
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 2: pick in the draft. Can line up all over the

524
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Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. He was great last year. Five Jalen

525
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 2: Carter with the Eagles, and I think going up, I mean,

526
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 2: he's one of the guys I think could be.

527
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Speaker 3: One Forrest Quinn and Williams.

528
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: Yet again, we kind of talked about him. He really

529
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 2: doesn't have any holes in his game.

530
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 3: Ye speaking of a guy with no holes. Cam Hayward

531
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Speaker 3: at three.

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Speaker 2: I think we're all pretty familiar with his work and

533
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 2: if you're new to the drive, welcome, But if you

534
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 2: don't regard him as one of the best players of

535
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Speaker 2: his position, you're off. It's not like, Oh, he's good

536
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: for his age, No, he's for anybody at that position.

537
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Speaker 2: Oh those are good names, right, I mean, that's a

538
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: really talent. There's a lot of really talented defense tackles

539
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 2: in the league, right right, I mean those guys come

540
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: in some.

541
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Speaker 3: Freaks to his dexter Lawrence one is Chris Jones.

542
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 2: I would have Lawrence won. I mean he missed some time.

543
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: That guy never misses snaps. Though he is a force

544
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: in all aspects. I think he's only getting better. I

545
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 2: hope his injury doesn't derail him. That's how I knock

546
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: on Jones. Jones going to the Hall of Fame. Jones

547
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: changes games, but he's not as consistent as Hayward or Yeah.

548
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 3: He doesn't play run defense like those two.

549
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean he saves it. Yeah. That's kind

550
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: of a Chiefs thing. So does Kelsey, you know.

551
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Speaker 3: I mean they you know, but there are many teams

552
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: with two guys on the list. No, and the Steelers

553
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: are one of them.

554
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 2: Eagles have three. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just trying to think

555
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: off the top of my head. I mean, Cole said

556
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: two Steelers have two and could add a third. I

557
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 2: mean they had two and threw a first round pick

558
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: at the product, right. You know, so you talk about

559
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 2: making a strength of strength. That could be pretty fun. Yeah.

560
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Speaker 3: So you know that looks good.

561
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,479
Speaker 2: It looks solid, very solid, very solid. Especially when we've

562
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: talked about it a lot, and we'll talk about the

563
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: next couple weeks too, but it might be the deepest

564
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Speaker 2: position on the team, just detackle in general.

565
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Speaker 3: Well, if it isn't the one we're going to talk

566
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Speaker 3: about next could Yeah, Yeah, let's get to a break.

567
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Speaker 3: We come back, we'll look at those edge rankings. He's

568
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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson. I'm and listening to the Drive. You're on

569
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Speaker 3: the Steelers Audio Network.

570
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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

571
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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

572
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Speaker 1: and Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: We are back. I'm Dale Lolly.

574
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Speaker 3: He is the Matt Williamson and we just went through

575
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Speaker 3: the defensive tackle rankings on Pro Football Focus.

576
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Speaker 2: Steelers well represented him very well.

577
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and let's take a look now at the Ants

578
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 3: rushers coming in at number thirty two.

579
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Speaker 2: Nick Herbig, Yeah, I think he's a past rush specialist

580
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 2: at that point. Yeah, you know, like a Hassan Reddick,

581
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: and that you can take that as a positive or negative.

582
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Speaker 2: I mean, I did a happened to do edge stuff today.

583
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: I didn't know we're going to talk about this, but

584
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Speaker 2: I retweeted this chart that it was put together by

585
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Speaker 2: Pro Football Focus of the best guys over the last

586
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Speaker 2: three years, and we started talking about it on a

587
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Speaker 2: different podcast, and then I went just to Pro Football

588
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: Focus and sorted the edge rushers by pass rush grade.

589
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: Steelers had three in like the top seven, including Herbic.

590
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: You know, so he's not the biggest, he's not the

591
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: greatest run defender, but that makes a lot more sense

592
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: than I thought going into the draft of why you

593
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Speaker 2: get a Sawyer. You know why you traded for Preston Smith.

594
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,239
Speaker 2: But what herbig does he does almost as well as

595
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Speaker 2: anyone in the lead. Yeah, he gets the ball out,

596
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: and I mean on a per snap basis, a per

597
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: pass rush attempt basis. His numbers are crazy.

598
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Speaker 3: Quarterbacks aren't happy to see him joining you onto the.

599
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: Field, right, I mean, if the Steelers can continue and

600
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Speaker 2: even get more third and longs, third mediums when pure

601
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: pass situations, his numbers are gonna keep spiking too. Yeah.

602
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: Thirty one is Montes Sweat Okay now the Bears. Yeah, Yeah,

603
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: quality player, length, former first round pick, making a lot

604
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: of money. He's got a lot of traits. He's been good. Yeah.

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00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: Thirty is calvan NEI I.

606
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Speaker 2: Respect that got his game. I mean he's one of

607
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: those dudes that if he'd been a lifelong stealer, there'd

608
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: be a ton of Van Noy jerseys. Anything you ask

609
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: of him. True professional, you know, had a good year

610
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: or two. I think he's had a really quality career.

611
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: Twenty nine Zadarius Smith, who's still a free agent.

612
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: Oh is he injuries? I wonder what he Maybe he

613
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to go through mini camp and those type

614
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: of things.

615
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, should he be in a list.

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00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: Got a decent body of work, but you probably find somebody. Yeah, yeah,

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00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Twenty eight is Nolan Smith.

619
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Speaker 2: He's going to be another pass rush specialist I think.

620
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: I mean he's smaller ran a four to four. I

621
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Speaker 2: think he's like two forty, a little bit leaner. In

622
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: a great environment where they're playing with leads a lot

623
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: of course, that sure helps. I can't stress that enough

624
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: with some of these edge rankings, is right, I feel

625
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: for like Max Crosby, I mean, how many leads as

626
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: he played with over the last three years? Not many,

627
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: No one. Smith's played with a lot, But you'd love

628
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: to have him. I mean he's an ascending guy.

629
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Speaker 3: To twenty seven is Chrup.

630
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: Robinson came on strong. I mean people kind of stopped

631
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: paying attention to the Dolphins after TWOA got hurt and

632
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: the season went down the toilet. But I mean they

633
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: have Chubb, they have Phillips, who probably need the ones

634
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: on this list. But if Phillips is healthy, is a

635
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: really good player. Yeah, and Robinson was a twitchy kind

636
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: of project coming out of Penn State. But I think

637
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: they found.

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00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: A guy there O Doffy Away, He's.

639
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: Another Penny project. Yeah, I'd probably take Robinson over him,

640
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: but Away at his best year. Yeah.

641
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: Josh what with the Cardinals.

642
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: The typical eagle mid round pick, lots of traits, develop them,

643
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: goes and becomes a rich man. Anyone watched Super Bowl knows,

644
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: Josh what.

645
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: Twenty four Yahyadiyabi with the Bucks might be a little

646
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 3: card ahead of the horse for him, but they love him.

647
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I might have a couple of those names,

648
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: both sweats, maybe even her big ahead of them, but

649
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: he looks like an up and comer.

650
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: Twenty three Nick Benito with the.

651
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: Broncos right here, Yeah, yeah, I think he's definitely an

652
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: ascending player too. Can he take it to the next level?

653
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: He's not as gifted as some of these studs that

654
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: are going to be ahead of him, but man, he's productive.

655
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: I mean they led league sacks.

656
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: Twenty two is Carl Granderson with the Saints.

657
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: I'm not there. That's a little maybe grades well for them.

658
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: I guess he's a big body, longer guy, but I

659
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: don't think he's particularly hard to play again. No.

660
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: Twenty one Bradley Job with the Dolphins.

661
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: I didn't know if he'd make it or not. He's

662
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: kind of been on and off the field a lot

663
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: in a Dolphin career. But early pick twenty m.

664
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 3: This is a projection. Abdul Carter with the Giant.

665
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: Oh, you can't put rookie.

666
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 3: You can't put him on there.

667
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: You can't put rookies on there. I'm sure he's gonna

668
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: have a good career, but you can't put rookies on there.

669
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially at edge.

670
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: There's so many right. No.

671
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: Nineteen or Shawn Gary package.

672
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but took a step back last year, as did

673
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: a lot of their studs. He's really pivotal for them

674
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,959
Speaker 2: because all the ability in the world. Two years ago

675
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: he was real force. I think it was two years

676
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: ago and I thought he's gonna be maybe a top

677
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: seven or eight type of guy. Yeah, he could get there.

678
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: Eighteen is Jalen Phillips with the Dolphins. I love him,

679
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: he had his feel for him. He's always hurt. I

680
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 2: mean it's just availability. Like I said, the Dolphins have three,

681
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 2: I thought only one would make it with.

682
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 3: Job seventeen Andrew van Kinkel all around.

683
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, really productive dude. Flora has used him extremely well.

684
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: I don't think he's like a top ten guy that

685
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: some people talk about or like people threw his name

686
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: out there for Yeah, he should get Defensive Player of

687
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: the Year consideration. He made a lot of big plays.

688
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 2: He's smart, but he wouldn't play much here. No, yeah,

689
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: I mean he wouldn't.

690
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 3: I mean it's Sixteen is Brian Burns did Giants.

691
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: I'm a fan. That trio could be really good. I

692
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: bet Thibodeau's not on here, but Carter Burns with Lawrence

693
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: doing all the hard work in the middle, that's a

694
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: real strength. Burns has been a top ten guy for

695
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 2: a lot of his career.

696
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 3: Fifteen Jonathan Greener with the Vikings.

697
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: I would have some names ahead of him. I'm glad

698
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: he's on there. Underrated didn't come in the league with

699
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: a lot of fanfare. Had a really good career with

700
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 2: Houston and now Minnesota, but not great. I mean yeah.

701
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 3: Fourteen is Gregory Russo.

702
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 2: Really took a step forward last year, extreme length. He's

703
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: their best d lineman. They paid him accordingly. Success story.

704
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: Thirteen Alex Highsmith Steelers.

705
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: Could maybe be higher. I mean everyone just looks at

706
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: him as he's Robin is selling them a little short.

707
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 2: I mean, if he were to hit the open market,

708
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: he would make a lot of money.

709
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 3: Twelve Danielle Honor with the Texans.

710
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 2: I think he's nearing a Hall of Fame pace. He's

711
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 2: right around one hundred sacks. Came in the league ridiculously young,

712
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 2: real project. I mean, he was one of those way

713
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 2: types that didn't have any production, and he certainly has sins.

714
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: I don't think he's an all time great Hall of Fame.

715
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: Might be a bit strong, but him and Will Anderson

716
00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: are the pairing that I think can rival the Steelers

717
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: all with the Jacks. Okay strong, I mean again, they

718
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: paid him. He's had coming off a really good year.

719
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: Early pick. It's probably about where he belongs. He's probably

720
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: a tier two.

721
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: Guy tennis Khalil Mack the Chargers.

722
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 2: He doesn't seem to age. He had a really good

723
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: year for them. Physicals can be I think he do

724
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: you think he's a Hall of Famer. I do he's

725
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's won a Defensive Player of

726
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: the Year. And yeah, he got traded for multiple first

727
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: round picks. He's been good everywhere he's gone. Maybe another

728
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,479
Speaker 2: year or two and he solidifies that. Nine is Will

729
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: Anderson detests. I missed on him a little bit too,

730
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: Like when he came out he was what the third

731
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: pick after they took Stroud. Yeah, and I liked him,

732
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, he's easily an early pick. But

733
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: I didn't think he was a super player, and he's

734
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: been better than I thought. I mean, I think he

735
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: could be to pull back Curt and I think there's

736
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: five elite edge rushers and we haven't mentioned any of them.

737
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: I think Hutchinson and Anderson could maybe be in that

738
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: mix going forward.

739
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 3: He is Jared Verse, which he seems on the line.

740
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: It does for one year great power. I would take

741
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 2: some names ahead of him, yeah, like you know, Hunters

742
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: and Anderson to me, or both ahead of them.

743
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 3: Seven Trey Hendrickson.

744
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I mentioned that's this graph that I

745
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 2: put out that has tons of stats over the last

746
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 2: three years. Him and Miles Garrett are tied for most

747
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: saxon the league, and he led the league last year.

748
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes he just can't argue with.

749
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: The production six Max Crosby.

750
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: I would have him in the top five, but it

751
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: sounds like they have Hutchinson ahead of him, which I understand.

752
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 2: He just doesn't get help. I mean, he's a one

753
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: man machine that's not ever playing with.

754
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 3: The lead five is eight Hutchinson.

755
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 2: Okay, he was probably the best of all of them

756
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: the day he got twenty twenty four production the day

757
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: he got hurt. Yeah, so I'm sure it'll be back

758
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: to being a top guy.

759
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: For Nick Bosa with forty nine ers.

760
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: Okay, again I mentioned I just references chart over the

761
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: last three years, he has like twenty more quarterback hits

762
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: than number two. But he's not quite as good as

763
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: finishers you would think, and I think part of it

764
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: is because he doesn't have great length. He's super disruptive.

765
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: He's definitely a Tier one guy for me. He hasn't

766
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: as much help around him as others lately, either, but

767
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: he's phenomenal three DJ one Okay, I mean we're really

768
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: splitting hairs with these guys. I don't know a problem

769
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: with that. Elite run defender, elite big play guy in

770
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 2: terms of force fumbles, getting his hands on footballs. We'll

771
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: drop into coverage even here and there, like anyone listening

772
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: should not have any game. No, they have no reservations

773
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: out signing him. And the one thing that I would

774
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 2: defend Watt is I think he's a little easier to

775
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: gain plan for than the last three or four and

776
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: the next two we're gonna talk about because he always

777
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: comes from the same spot and I don't know how

778
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: much that would change things. But they don't move him

779
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: around where Garrett Parsons both. So those guys are fifty

780
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: to fifty on both sides.

781
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 3: Basically, those guys are one man shows too.

782
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah they are.

783
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: You know you're flipping you gotta do two things, yeah,

784
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 3: h Smith on the other side, Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay,

785
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 3: right right now, who is Michael Parsons?

786
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: Okay, I got no problem with that.

787
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 3: Either one is Miles Garrett.

788
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: I get it. I mean I'm trying to be controversial,

789
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: but that would be my order of the top three

790
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: as well. I think Garrett's really really special. Doesn't mean

791
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 2: if to love him, folks, but he is a great

792
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 2: football player. And Parsons to me, is so unique and

793
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: explosive and his lateral agility, and he can do things

794
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: off the ball too. I mean, what a great list

795
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: that is though, fantastically Yeah, there's so many good ones,

796
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: and Steelers have three of them, and an argument for

797
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: the best one.

798
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 3: Looking here off ball linebackers. Patrick Queen comes in at sixteen. Okay,

799
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: half of uh there's a learning season last year. I

800
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: would like to see that get the ten. Yeah, and

801
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: I think that's possible.

802
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Could Wilson end up in the thirties or in

803
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 2: the twenties, Yeah, yeah, I don't think that's crazy, especially

804
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: with a lot more playing time. So here the catalyst

805
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: isn't as hard to break as no.

806
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 3: Here, the guys just the bottom.

807
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 2: There's a weakness at linebacker right now. Thirty two. I

808
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: haven't paced junior. It means undrafted.

809
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty one day on Henley he's probably.

810
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of him, right, should be higher?

811
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thirty Earnest Jones, he's gotta been on three

812
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 3: different teams. Yeah, Yeah, there's a real short twenty nine,

813
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: Tyrol Dotson, he got cut last year, twenty eight, Jamie

814
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: and Sherwood. Right, people probably know who is jets. Yeah, yeah,

815
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: say you're Franklin at twenty seven. These guys are fine.

816
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 3: Is here as he's house here twenty six, Jordan Brooks

817
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 3: at twenty five.

818
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: None of these are bad players, but none of them

819
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: are like the edge guys and yeah, or the de tackle.

820
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 3: Logan Wilson at twenty four, Robert Splain.

821
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: Yeah twenty three. No oneer, You're like, I can't throw

822
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: at any of these.

823
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: I'll be shocked if Peyton Wilson.

824
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: He can beat those isn't on this list. That's a

825
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 2: good point. It's it's probably the easiest list to get on. Yeah.

826
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 2: And if he's in play all the time and he

827
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: flashed enough as a rookie, he's gonna make plays. He's

828
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: gonna make plays. He already shows that absolutely.

829
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll look at the safety cornerback all right rankings

830
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: when we come back. He's Matt Williamson. I am Dale Allie.

831
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