Speaker 1: Calls media. I mean all of California in every card
Speaker 1: like it did not like us as the number one
Speaker 1: song in the country. It's streaming more than all of
Speaker 1: the music that Jay Cole and Drake put out this
Speaker 1: year combined. It's the game's over. You don't want it
Speaker 1: with the compter Kid been trying to say it since
Speaker 1: the beginning. If I were to give advice to the
Speaker 1: Canadian I would say, just pop out, take your al
Speaker 1: like a man, you know, be respectful, admit you got cooked,
Speaker 1: Disappear for a few months, maybe a year, come back
Speaker 1: with the Bombist album, you know, connect with all the
Speaker 1: Canadian artists across the country, you know, do dope work,
Speaker 1: and make this be about like soul searching or something
Speaker 1: about how you took this as a time to reflect
Speaker 1: and become a better man and a better father and
Speaker 1: all this good stuff and how you've changed. That's what
Speaker 1: I would say anyway, But obviously this is future stuff.
Speaker 1: Now we're going to go back in time to what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about in part two. All right, here we go.
Speaker 1: What modern music, pop culture, hip hop, and politics have
Speaker 1: in common. It's something that I starting out this show
Speaker 1: would have never thought because of how the central premise
Speaker 1: of the show works. But I never thought that the
Speaker 1: thing that unites all of these things is the power
Speaker 1: of the meme politics. Y'all all right? Part two of
Speaker 1: Lessons of the Big Three. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that sometimes worked for me was yesterday I had like
Speaker 1: a really bad like sinus situation because oh my god,
Speaker 1: the pollen spring is like I hate your face, like
Speaker 1: Buddy's allergies been good lord. So there was that, and
Speaker 1: also I lost the relative, So yesterday was a little
Speaker 1: not really the easiest I usually I'm saying this because
Speaker 1: I usually record on Mondays and today is Tuesday. So
Speaker 1: had I recorded this episode yesterday, which, like I've said before,
Speaker 1: I'm recording these lessons from the Big Three asynchronistically that's
Speaker 1: how you say it, yeah, meaning I'm recording them out
Speaker 1: of order, I hadn't already done Part three, and in
Speaker 1: part one I did a long time ago. Had I
Speaker 1: recorded this yesterday, I would have missed out at what
Speaker 1: happened today, which is Kendrick finally responded, and it adds
Speaker 1: to the point so beautifully of what I was trying
Speaker 1: to say, and not even so much the lyrics itself,
Speaker 1: but the response to the lyrics. So let me get
Speaker 1: into it, and let me make my point about the
Speaker 1: sophistication of the sophistic focation, the sophistic ratchetness of it.
Speaker 1: The last point I tried to make in the last
Speaker 1: episode about this is the what are we even doing? Thing?
Speaker 1: The descending into the particulars versus keeping up with the
Speaker 1: big picture, and it is being discussed in this In
Speaker 1: this whole thing is to keep in mind that these
Speaker 1: are millionaires writing poems about each other, growman talking about
Speaker 1: stuff that don't matter, and what's beautiful is In k
Speaker 1: Dot's response, even says that, like essentially, he says, I
Speaker 1: have better things to do, but also I have to
Speaker 1: address this, and I'm going to address it. So bringing
Speaker 1: into the chat the we have bigger fish to fry,
Speaker 1: we have very important things to talk about. But also
Speaker 1: I'm down to get into the muck and myer with you.
Speaker 1: He was like, I know you don't think my whole
Speaker 1: life is rap. I'm not calling around getting dirt about you.
Speaker 1: I have a son to raise, you know, So I
Speaker 1: think that there's that, and I'm going to talk about
Speaker 1: how we need that attitude with our politics. Secondly, I
Speaker 1: want to talk about the Rick Ross of it all,
Speaker 1: and then the Kanye of it all because both of
Speaker 1: them jumped in and all of this to make the
Speaker 1: point of part two, which is, while memes work, they
Speaker 1: destroy us as time goes on, and how comical sound
Speaker 1: something can become, we eventually stop taking it serious. It
Speaker 1: eventually becomes boring, the law of diminishing returns. These are
Speaker 1: things that we already know about ourselves that if we
Speaker 1: step back for a second, we've allowed to happen to
Speaker 1: our politics. And the only thing that usually wakes us
Speaker 1: up in hip hop from the memification of stuff is
Speaker 1: when somebody dies. That's when everybody wakes up and says
Speaker 1: what's going on? But you have people like Vin Staples
Speaker 1: who steps in and he says, like, why are we
Speaker 1: y'all love hearing us talk about tearing each other down?
Speaker 1: But like, why are we not talking about publishing, licensing labels,
Speaker 1: what Universal Music Group has done? Why are we not
Speaker 1: talking about the fact that none of us are actually
Speaker 1: making money off our songs? And then my boy consciously
Speaker 1: brings up how somebody wrote a disc track to Detroit's
Speaker 1: infrastructure because they were supposed to get a Hollywood sign
Speaker 1: type sign for Detroit and then the sign they got
Speaker 1: looked more like a dollar try like it was just
Speaker 1: like they was like, Yo, what the hell is this?
Speaker 1: You promised us like a Hollywood sign. This shit is trash, right,
Speaker 1: so we like, Yo, I want to hear hip hop
Speaker 1: talk about more distracks to the civic government, to their
Speaker 1: local government, start dissing where the bridge is at, why
Speaker 1: the city still got potholes? Y'all, lay like, I want
Speaker 1: to hear these two black men tell each other down.
Speaker 1: I want to know why we ain't got better school
Speaker 1: us hilarious? All right, let me stop, let me let
Speaker 1: me try to prove my point here. There are things
Speaker 1: that we can learn from this time about ourselves and
Speaker 1: about where we can go as a culture. And it
Speaker 1: might feel like a stretch, but let me cook. Let
Speaker 1: me land the plane. Which one of you which one
Speaker 1: of the things y'all kids say, I don't know anyway?
Speaker 1: A case for and against memes. One thing that is
Speaker 1: absolutely true about them is that they take things that
Speaker 1: are very complex or possibly complex, and you can reduce
Speaker 1: them down to a way that is digestible and is
Speaker 1: quickly shareable. Right, So in some ways it's good for
Speaker 1: a culture whose attention span is shorter, who doesn't really
Speaker 1: enjoy long form type things. So they play a role,
Speaker 1: but they're also very reductive. I'm not telling you something
Speaker 1: you don't already know. For us to pretend like politics
Speaker 1: is not also entertainment is just that you're you're pretending.
Speaker 1: Once cameras got turned on, and I'm even before that,
Speaker 1: like you would go to you know, town hall meetings
Speaker 1: and you know, of course it's passionate, of course you're invested,
Speaker 1: but like you know, people are making these bolstering, big spectacles,
Speaker 1: speeches that need to be entertaining. So the idea of
Speaker 1: the purest in politics is something that I'm sure you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not. This is not like I sure you know
Speaker 1: you know, the idea of like behind closed doors politicians
Speaker 1: sitting around and discussing the merits of a law that
Speaker 1: they're trying to get passed, you know, and why this
Speaker 1: might be right, like the importance of climate change and infrastructure, Like,
Speaker 1: come on, guys, you know that's not what's happening. You know,
Speaker 1: these people smiling and putting their arms around Trump smiling,
Speaker 1: put these people arms around, bidenduct them. Niggas ain't friends
Speaker 1: y'all know that, so I don't have to like you know, right,
Speaker 1: and you also know the best way to get your
Speaker 1: point across rather than just arguing the merits of something
Speaker 1: is either wheeling and dealing or just dragging the other person.
Speaker 1: It's its memes. And what we continue to see, especially
Speaker 1: in our last election, is that that type of behavior
Speaker 1: is rewarded. It's rewarded with the presidency. So what are
Speaker 1: you gonna tell him? I continue to hold to the
Speaker 1: fact that Drake is corny, But what am I gonna
Speaker 1: tell him? He's rewarded with everything he does. That's one
Speaker 1: of the That's why he can make the statements he
Speaker 1: can make. That's why he can do the things he
Speaker 1: can do. But what we see is that meming and
Speaker 1: corniness does have its limits. And my argument is for
Speaker 1: this episode is the limits aren't so much just for
Speaker 1: his or her own demise, but it's for the demise
Speaker 1: of all of us. Sounding like an old guy, now,
Speaker 1: we know lives are at state, we know where they are,
Speaker 1: and we also know this is entertainment. Now, when you
Speaker 1: get into the kfabe of it, all of hip hop,
Speaker 1: there is a little bit of both. We don't know Kendrick.
Speaker 1: We don't know, Drake, but they are actual men who
Speaker 1: actually have interacted and they may or may not actually
Speaker 1: not like each other for whatever reasons that you and
Speaker 1: I don't know. So some of this might actually be serious,
Speaker 1: but we all know, let's be real, guys, this is entertainment,
Speaker 1: like we're this is entertaining now again, people don't take
Speaker 1: this entertainment serious until somebody die, right, That's usually what
Speaker 1: snaps people into reality. Unfortunately, especially with hip hop. That's
Speaker 1: when people be like, damn, like who I'm supposed to die?
Speaker 1: Because But at the same time, there is a reality
Speaker 1: that like it is understood, at least with hip hop music,
Speaker 1: that it's supposed to be entertainment. We have the opposite.
Speaker 1: In politics. It's understood that this is supposed to be serious.
Speaker 1: You are supposed to be really passionate and caring about
Speaker 1: the topics that you're caring about. You're supposed to be
Speaker 1: saying things you truly believe in. Now, if it were
Speaker 1: just about that, then then you take somebody like an
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren who in the debates was actually talking policy.
Speaker 1: You know, we would be electing the nerds, the people
Speaker 1: that are actually in the weeds because they're not entertaining,
Speaker 1: they're just spitting facts. They just did the research, but
Speaker 1: we don't want that. You need to be a little
Speaker 1: bit of both, and it raps the same. You can't
Speaker 1: just you can't just only meme. You gotta be able
Speaker 1: to spit. So once you accept the fact that, like
Speaker 1: there is a level of kfabe, the question is what's
Speaker 1: an acceptable amount of k fabe? Until you get to
Speaker 1: a point to where you're just corny and you clearly
Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. When does what you're
Speaker 1: being rewarded for stop rewarding you? When are you sent home?
Speaker 1: When do the big boys come and talk? Now, when
Speaker 1: the big boys come out and talk, how intricate it's?
Speaker 1: This is the opposite. How intricate, how real? How far
Speaker 1: in the weeds can you go before you lose the masses?
Speaker 1: And ultimately, this is the question of Kendrick and Drake.
Speaker 1: This is art versus commerce like it in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways despite all the baggage of it all between
Speaker 1: the name Clinton, if you look at the campaign season
Speaker 1: between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Set aside my opinions
Speaker 1: about the artists of Drake and Kendrick you had a
Speaker 1: person who knew what she was talking about and tried
Speaker 1: to talk about it, versus a man who did not
Speaker 1: know what he was talking about but was remarkably entertaining.
Speaker 1: Let's just not lie like like Trump is not entertaining.
Speaker 1: Of course there had to be something there because you
Speaker 1: can't just be entertaining. But that's what we saw. How
Speaker 1: far in the weeds can you go and listen? Everybody came, mean,
Speaker 1: everybody's not funny, just like everybody can't battle. Everybody's not
Speaker 1: every songwriter's not a good battle rapper. Everybody can't crack
Speaker 1: jokes like that, because you saw when people tried to
Speaker 1: go head to head with Trump and what he's good at,
Speaker 1: you couldn't do it. He's good at that. Like you're
Speaker 1: not as funny as him. That's just it's a reality.
Speaker 1: You the memification in twenty sixteen one because you're just
Speaker 1: not as funny as him. That's just it's just real.
Speaker 1: Was he the better leader? I mean that's yet to
Speaker 1: be discussed in the same way, like who's the better rapper,
Speaker 1: Kendrick or Drake? And it's crazy, as Kendrick says in
Speaker 1: his in his disc recently, that was like everybody likes
Speaker 1: you on to sing songy stuff, but when you start
Speaker 1: acting tough guys, stuff like oh, nigga, you can't come
Speaker 1: to the bungalows, you're not one of us. Stay over there,
Speaker 1: stay in Calabasas, don't come to confetent. But fast forwarding
Speaker 1: to my main premise, that was six minutes long. Now
Speaker 1: knowing Kendrick, there's levels. It's six minutes because he's not
Speaker 1: scared of the six stay with me. I'm reminded of
Speaker 1: jay Z song. Do you listen to rap or you
Speaker 1: just skim through it? If you have the patience and
Speaker 1: the attention span to sit down and listen to six
Speaker 1: minutes of rapping, you would hear. Kendrick airs out everything
Speaker 1: we think about Drake. You're a pop singer, you're a
Speaker 1: great pop singer. You've never made a classic. You're very corny.
Speaker 1: You do very corny things at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: And this is what Kendrick came at. And what's crazy
Speaker 1: is I suggested this before I even heard this song.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, what Drake Drake is
Speaker 1: the homecoming prom king, captain of the football team, dating
Speaker 1: the cheerleader, straight a student principals on a roll that edictorian,
Speaker 1: and all he wants to do is kick it at
Speaker 1: the bungalows and smoke weed with the cool kids. And
Speaker 1: nim niggas don't like you. You are corny, And no
Speaker 1: amount of prom and homecoming king Kings and Sadie Hawks,
Speaker 1: no amount of that will make you not lame to us.
Speaker 1: That's what Kendrick is saying, because that is his weakness.
Speaker 1: I read in the comments somewhere that Kendrick rapped like
Speaker 1: a politician, like he only worried about black vote because
Speaker 1: carrying the metaphor forward like you're right, who cares about
Speaker 1: a six minute rap? Who cares that I have more
Speaker 1: lyrical miracle than you? Like Again, Drake's the captain of
Speaker 1: the football team. Go to the frat parties, go with
Speaker 1: the cheerleaders. I'm keeping it real for the culture now,
Speaker 1: if you're running against a man with a personality like
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, you have to try to figure out the
Speaker 1: one thing that matters to him. And in my opinion,
Speaker 1: the one thing that matters to him is power. Its
Speaker 1: power and respect. So if you could come at him
Speaker 1: in a way that makes him feel like a fool,
Speaker 1: nobody around you, respects you, And I don't care how
Speaker 1: much money you got. I don't care how many people
Speaker 1: you put around me. I don't care you firing everybody
Speaker 1: around you to just keep people around you that will
Speaker 1: just tell you what you want to do, which means
Speaker 1: you are weak. Kendrick saying that song, you won't tell
Speaker 1: lies about me, I won't tell the truth about you.
Speaker 1: All he cares about is power. You're a weak man
Speaker 1: and all your actions prove it. That's the only thing
Speaker 1: you could say to him, especially if you Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: Who's like, there's so many things you could say about Joe.
Speaker 1: You have to find the one thing you could say
Speaker 1: about him. And you can't do what Trump do. Trump's
Speaker 1: a master at meming. You're not that good at that.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, Kendrick's thing is like,
Speaker 1: we don't really like you. That's just it. You know. Now.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, but who has the patience to
Speaker 1: listen to six minute rap? Well? I do. But I
Speaker 1: also have the patience to read an actual bill. I
Speaker 1: have the patience to actually look at a court case.
Speaker 1: Is it too far? Does your intricacies make you lose this?
Speaker 1: What's happened? Can you Is it possible to be too
Speaker 1: qualified to run for office? Because going back to Drake's
Speaker 1: original response, he's going after the boys in securities too.
Speaker 1: He's like, look, man, you got size seven shoes, Like nigga,
Speaker 1: you little the drop and give me fifty Like that's
Speaker 1: it's wordplay. It's wordplay about fifty push ups. It's wordplay
Speaker 1: about fifty percent of his publishing. He's like, you're funny,
Speaker 1: you're short. I don't care. I forget the person's name,
Speaker 1: but it was a person who I should just look
Speaker 1: it up. But I don't want to stop recording this.
Speaker 1: Just trust me. As a matter of fact, they talked
Speaker 1: about it on The Daily and the New York Times podcast.
Speaker 1: I think on Monday, which would be the twenty ninth,
Speaker 1: that when we elect Trump, we're gonna know the difference
Speaker 1: between our rules and our norms inside of democracy. That
Speaker 1: is such a profound statement because with hip hop, obviously,
Speaker 1: there's so much gun talk, right, there's so much like
Speaker 1: Bravado when you attempt to address certain rappers versus other rappers.
Speaker 1: We get to know which one of y'all are entertainers
Speaker 1: and which one of y'all are gangsters and which one
Speaker 1: of this is a little bit of both. That's a
Speaker 1: lot of times that's how it plays out. So we
Speaker 1: need to know are you really a shooter? And what
Speaker 1: Jay Cole taught us is that like, not in a
Speaker 1: bad way, but just he was truthful. He was like, look,
Speaker 1: I'm not a shooter, Like I don't. I'm not that.
Speaker 1: I'm a college kid who wanted to smash your girl. Right.
Speaker 1: I just liked the way that outside smell, but I
Speaker 1: ain't really outside. We certed interviews recently a Fat Joe
Speaker 1: being like, Bro, the things that I've wrapped about would
Speaker 1: put me up under the jail. I'm entertaining, y'all right,
Speaker 1: So sometimes there are moments that the k fab is broken.
Speaker 1: But when rappers rap about the code that was the
Speaker 1: thing about Takashi six y nine, it's like, this is
Speaker 1: how we get to know how much of this is
Speaker 1: norms and how much of this is rules and the
Speaker 1: things that we're seeing with Donald Trump in these courts
Speaker 1: is saying like basically he's like, yo, there's no law
Speaker 1: that says I can't do this. We just had an understanding,
Speaker 1: and that's what people like a Trump. The stress testers
Speaker 1: of the system do is they show you how much
Speaker 1: of this is, Like do y'all really do we really
Speaker 1: have a code or there's just understandings people like a
Speaker 1: John Gotti. Y'all remember John Gotti? Like I'm bringing him
Speaker 1: up because he was showing this. It's like the code
Speaker 1: with mobsters was you play low, you don't be fascy.
Speaker 1: He was like, Nigga, I ain't make this money to
Speaker 1: not be flashy. I'm outside right. Takashi six nine was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm facing too much time. So when you have people
Speaker 1: that challenge these norms and then get away with it,
Speaker 1: then we realize the norms are just that they're not
Speaker 1: They're not rules, their norms. Now, granted I can't name
Speaker 1: the last time Takashi as like no one's talked about
Speaker 1: him in years because fool, who cares? But what that
Speaker 1: shows me is that our rules about snitching and about
Speaker 1: being real we found the line. Cause it's like you're
Speaker 1: the you're mais, it's you're in alote like there we're done,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's what that showed is like you
Speaker 1: have the stress test to see which one of these
Speaker 1: are rules, in which one of these are codes? Now
Speaker 1: in a battle. I'm bouncing back and forth because I
Speaker 1: want you to see, like, these are the lessons we
Speaker 1: learned from this. In a battle, it's bar for bars,
Speaker 1: song for song, and this is a display of your
Speaker 1: prowess as an artist. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: who's supposed to win is the fans, because we're supposed
Speaker 1: to see the best, the best possible display of the
Speaker 1: art form. This is good for the culture, This is
Speaker 1: good for all of us. We win. And why I
Speaker 1: can say that is because the artists are a part
Speaker 1: of the culture. You're a part of hip hop. You're
Speaker 1: creating it. So when you guys go at it, if
Speaker 1: you go at it with the spirit of even if
Speaker 1: we have animosity for each other, we're putting these songs out,
Speaker 1: but it's it is an honor because we're raising the
Speaker 1: standards of the entire culture. Right. This is best for
Speaker 1: all of us. Everybody's making money, everybody's seeing really good
Speaker 1: hip hop happen. I want to see in a dream
Speaker 1: world where you know, Magic Jordan Kobe, Lebron Steph if
Speaker 1: everybody in their prime all being able to just run
Speaker 1: three on threes are just like at the gym, just
Speaker 1: running like five on five pickup games. You're just the
Speaker 1: caliber of basket ball that we would see is like
Speaker 1: just it would be the best. It's the best basketball.
Speaker 1: It's ai it's the best best if Alan Iverson was
Speaker 1: the best possible basketball ever to be played ever freaking
Speaker 1: space jam level, Like just the best possible basketball. That's
Speaker 1: what you want to see. And sometimes you got a
Speaker 1: player like Johnny Stockton, right, who is just a dirty player.
Speaker 1: You got you got a Dennis Rodney who is just
Speaker 1: a dirty player, a bill Laane Beer. You feel me,
Speaker 1: you gotta have Draymond on the court. You understand what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like that's part of the game. Is like,
Speaker 1: of course they're gonna be elbows thrown. Of course it's
Speaker 1: gonna get rough. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: this is the best of the best going at each
Speaker 1: other and the culture wins, which is what a democracy
Speaker 1: is supposed to be. We're supposed to see the smartest,
Speaker 1: the brightest, the best of the best discuss the best
Speaker 1: way for our country to go forward. But it's not
Speaker 1: its means. We see if these what who we really
Speaker 1: are and what really works by what is rewarded? So
Speaker 1: when Drake finally responded with the drop and give me fifty.
Speaker 1: He was rapping, y'all, Like I cannot. There is no
Speaker 1: way in the world I would take away from the
Speaker 1: fact that he was rapping. But the rapping isn't what
Speaker 1: anybody cared about, per se. They cared about the meat,
Speaker 1: the punchlines. Drake got that little nas xs thing like
Speaker 1: they were born on the Internet. They're just really good
Speaker 1: at the Internet. Just master trolls like fifty a master troll, right,
Speaker 1: And it's so entertaining. But then we find the line
Speaker 1: meming can only get you so far unless you're Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: But meming can only get you so far. You know,
Speaker 1: doing things just for the spectacle can only get you
Speaker 1: so far. At some point you have to have substance.
Speaker 1: At some point you have to know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: At least that's what we hope. How do we know
Speaker 1: this is because when he did the AI pop it
Speaker 1: was too far. We found the line that's corny and
Speaker 1: he had to pull it down. And it's that is
Speaker 1: what drew Kendrick out of this out of silence. But
Speaker 1: in between that you have Rick Ross coming in. When
Speaker 1: Rick Ross started rapping, the song he dropped was kind
Speaker 1: of whatever. What was dope was his Instagram the BBL
Speaker 1: Drake because Rick Ross is funny and like the point
Speaker 1: I make in part three, which is the reality is
Speaker 1: this is what you want. You want to be outside
Speaker 1: with us washing off chevies, But you gotta go home,
Speaker 1: white boy, you gotta call your mom. You like, you're
Speaker 1: not one of us. So the power of what he
Speaker 1: did was not the prowess, but going after the man's weakness,
Speaker 1: and it got us talking, It got us pointing and
Speaker 1: laughing at Drake for a while. And then Drake came back.
Speaker 1: You know, I loved his comeback. They're like, you know,
Speaker 1: sit your old ass down. You're almost fifty bro chill,
Speaker 1: but it didn't matter. You're BBL Drake. Now you know,
Speaker 1: He's like, what is this a twenty against one? Poor Drake?
Speaker 1: Like right, but also not poor Drake, You're still a
Speaker 1: number one artist, Like there's not none of this should
Speaker 1: matter to you. But that was a flash, you know,
Speaker 1: in a pan because it can only get you so far.
Speaker 1: And then finally, is the ultimate point I'm trying to
Speaker 1: make is when memes get to absurdity and we have
Speaker 1: to get brought back to reality, and I am placing
Speaker 1: that squarely on Kanye because it felt to me like
Speaker 1: the day that our aunts and uncles finally got on Facebook.
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, it's dead. Now, this is kind
Speaker 1: of over it, you know. I'm just I'm over it, Nelly.
Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily the fact that it's Kanye, but
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, bro, nobody was talking to you.
Speaker 1: I get it. I don't like Drake either, but like,
Speaker 1: why are you here? We're watching the stars like clash,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like it should be great.
Speaker 1: And Kendrick at that point wasn't moved. It's been like
Speaker 1: two weeks at that point, he had not moved. And
Speaker 1: then Drake drops the AI pop and Snoop one, and
Speaker 1: again you've moved into absurdity now, so now it's like
Speaker 1: what are we doing? And then that's when finally, as
Speaker 1: of yesterday, the song Euphoria, Kendrick just dropped. But the
Speaker 1: point of this whole pod is, no matter how good
Speaker 1: Euphoria is, and I am here to testify as a
Speaker 1: fan of rap, that six minute rap is incredible. I
Speaker 1: just wonder if it matters now because we're too far
Speaker 1: into the meme worlds it took too long. We're over
Speaker 1: it now again. Like I said, he here for the
Speaker 1: black vote because so US rapidy rap rappers, US West
Speaker 1: Coast folk, we like nigga. Finally, man blew this dude's
Speaker 1: head off, and we'll see how long the world talks
Speaker 1: about it. Because Kendrick is very good at making moments.
Speaker 1: That's one thing that I know. What's that boy? Uh
Speaker 1: Loupe Fiasco said, He's like, Yo, Kendrick makes moments. He
Speaker 1: knows how to make the world stop and listen to him.
Speaker 1: And what I love about him is the fact that
Speaker 1: he does that by just rapping. That is not like
Speaker 1: any other spectacle except for just these are bars and
Speaker 1: I'm going out after the person. He's like, I don't
Speaker 1: like subliminals. I don't have no respect for that. I
Speaker 1: say what I need to say, I drop it, and
Speaker 1: I'm out. You ain't gonna see him on. He ain't
Speaker 1: doing no memes, He ain't doing none of that. But
Speaker 1: I just wonder if the memification sucked a lot of
Speaker 1: the energy out of this. So I say that about
Speaker 1: our politics, and I think we all know the answer
Speaker 1: that while memes can get you elected, does the culture win?
Speaker 1: Are we better for it. They were fun. Listen, I'm
Speaker 1: sure in these right wing circles all your let's go
Speaker 1: branding things are so funny. Has it made the world?
Speaker 1: Has it made the culture better? Do you feel better?
Speaker 1: All of our outrage around what conservatism is doing. We
Speaker 1: can make our memes and just share them, but like,
Speaker 1: are we better? Like we need to consider for ourselves,
Speaker 1: especially going into this election, what are we willing to tolerate? Because,
Speaker 1: like I said, what usually snaps us into reality is death. Now,
Speaker 1: if you're looking at our college campuses, they've been snapped
Speaker 1: back into reality. Like I'm not playing with y'all. I'm
Speaker 1: done playing. No, I need you to divest. They've been
Speaker 1: snapped into reality. And they looking at this man, Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: and they looking at the Trump twenty twenty five to
Speaker 1: you know, playing Trump two point zero, and they like,
Speaker 1: we're not having this. They especially looking at Biden who
Speaker 1: told them that you were supposed to be riding with us.
Speaker 1: But like, I'm done, I'm done with the memes. People
Speaker 1: are dying. So I am coming in here to be
Speaker 1: the Vince Staples of the conversation. It's to say, let's
Speaker 1: reward the behavior that makes us all better. Now. Having
Speaker 1: said that, does that mean that you're not supposed to
Speaker 1: go at each other. No, you're not supposed to bring
Speaker 1: the best bars you possibly can. Absolutely, I want Drake
Speaker 1: to spit as hard as he can. I want Kendrick
Speaker 1: to be merciless. Not because I want to see them
Speaker 1: torn down, but I want to see culture built now
Speaker 1: if it's about just skills, if it's about seeing that
Speaker 1: now again, going back to ten thousand feet, like the
Speaker 1: first episode, what are we even doing? Have we lost
Speaker 1: the plot here? Is this not about all of our success?
Speaker 1: Is this not about the flourishing of the culture period?
Speaker 1: What should be Listen? I want to see our candidates
Speaker 1: bring their best ideas and I want us to push
Speaker 1: it that to ignore the memes. That's my encouragement to us.
Speaker 1: Ignore the memes going into the policy. Just ignore it,
Speaker 1: ignore that and be like, give me bars, tell me
Speaker 1: what you got, tell me the plan you don't, don't
Speaker 1: just count on me being your fan. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to listen to no DJ academics, you know the political
Speaker 1: equivalent of that. I ain't going to Joe Budden's podcast. Hey,
Speaker 1: I want to hear from your mouth. You tell me,
Speaker 1: what's your plan what we're doing here? And he say this,
Speaker 1: I want you to come back with some substance now.
Speaker 1: I don't need no memes. I need you to come
Speaker 1: back with some substance. Tell me what it is now.
Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about the presidential election, because as
Speaker 1: we know that shit is sale, that's gonna be what
Speaker 1: it is. I'm talking about as you looking down your ballots,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about you looking at your governors. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about you looking as you looking at the totality of
Speaker 1: what we're gonna vote for. Hood politics. Ignore the memes,
Speaker 1: tell them people to spit they bars. I need these
Speaker 1: fifteen minute raps. I need you to show me you
Speaker 1: got octuplets, my nigga. Give me the heat. And I
Speaker 1: need to know you can make a hit. I need
Speaker 1: to know you can make a song, make it plain
Speaker 1: for us, make it fun. I still want to dance.
Speaker 1: I ain't always in the books. Show me you could
Speaker 1: do it all. Can you crack jokes? Can you get it?
Speaker 1: Can you go on S and L and can you
Speaker 1: go bring the heat to Shijing Ping? Can you do both?
Speaker 1: Get you one that can do both? Because Lord knows
Speaker 1: we needed because listen. Sometimes entertainment spill out to death,
Speaker 1: and if you've been around for a while, no, that's
Speaker 1: quite possible. Of politics. All right, now, don't you hit
Speaker 1: stop on this pod. You better listen to these credits.
Speaker 1: I need you to finish this thing so I can
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