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Speaker 2: Caleb is on the phone today for a first day

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Speaker 2: he went on with a woman named McKenna. In a

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Speaker 2: few minutes, we'll call her in social house why she's

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Speaker 2: ghosting him. But first, Caleb, how long has it been

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Speaker 2: since you heard from McKenna.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's see, I guess it's been It's been about

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Speaker 3: a week now. Yeah, since I heard we left things.

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Speaker 3: I mean, as far as I thought, we left things

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Speaker 3: pretty good. We had actually texted that same day later

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Speaker 3: to hang out again. She's seemed excited.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know why it's been a week.

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Speaker 5: So well, then let's go backwards, because you did have

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Speaker 5: an interaction with her that sounded good.

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Speaker 2: So when how did you meet her? What was your

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Speaker 4: Well, the date was great.

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Speaker 3: Well, I met her actually at a at a work

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Speaker 3: event several years.

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Speaker 4: Ago and we went on a date back then. We

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Speaker 6: I know, I wasn't really looking for anything serious.

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Speaker 4: At the time. I had some family well and some

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Speaker 3: On, and I could tell she's thing busy, but we

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Speaker 3: we had a great time, had some drinks.

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Speaker 4: There was I thought, some chemistry, and.

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Speaker 3: Uh wound up just kind of hanging out for the

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Speaker 4: That was it just sort of lost touch. But at

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Speaker 4: this point, you know, I guess it's been I guess

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Speaker 4: it'd been almost six years.

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Speaker 3: I reached back out just to see what she was

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Speaker 4: I thought we had a great night.

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Speaker 3: We did some bar hopping, had some food. She had

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Speaker 3: to me drinks that night, I do remember. So she

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Speaker 3: wound up coming and staying at my place, but it

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Speaker 3: was innocent. I mean, we hung out, there was some cuddling.

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Speaker 4: Some kisses whatever.

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Speaker 3: Thought she left in the morning, Yeah, I had some

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Speaker 4: And then I just did not hear back from her.

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Speaker 4: And I'm so confused.

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Speaker 2: So did she say that she wanted to do it again? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean in the last text we were she

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Speaker 3: was it was like she was just waiting for me

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Speaker 3: when I reached bright out, I just never heard anything.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything you can think of? There would be

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Speaker 3: I've racked my brain, like I saw, I guess I

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Speaker 4: I know she had left some stuff in the apartment.

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Speaker 6: It, but I did I noticed a couple of days

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Speaker 6: That and thought something was going on.

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Speaker 4: But I'm kind of grasping a straws. I mean, I

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Speaker 5: I've seen shampoo in the shower before that was a

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Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, it make me feel good. Yeah, that could

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Speaker 6: I get I get that.

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Speaker 4: It's just she could have.

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Speaker 2: Asked, yeah, well, we'll see if we can figure it

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Speaker 2: out for you. Then we'll play a song come back,

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Speaker 2: why she's ghosting you and get you maybe get you

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Speaker 2: another date. Okay, cool, thank you, all right, we'll play

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Speaker 2: a song, come back and get your first day follow

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Speaker 2: Right in the middle of your first day follow up

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Speaker 2: if you're just joining us. Caleb is on the phone

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Speaker 2: and he's getting ghosted by McKenna. So in a second,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna call her and see if she tell us

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Speaker 2: why she's ghosting him and maybe get him another date.

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Speaker 2: But first, Caleb, why don't you refresh our memory on

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Speaker 2: her date with McKenna.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so McKenna and I had a great date. This

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Speaker 3: was the second time I reached out of here years ago.

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Speaker 3: Timing wasn't right, but yeah, I thought we really hit

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Speaker 3: We had plans to move forward, and then it's been

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Speaker 4: And I cannot get in touch with her. So I

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Speaker 3: But I'm racking my brain just trying to figure out

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Speaker 3: because we had a great time, chemistry was there. Just

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Speaker 2: All right, are you ready for us to call her?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Okay, here we go. Hello, Hi, mansweek to McKenna.

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Speaker 2: Please. This is McKenna. McKenna, how are you? This is Jeubil.

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Speaker 2: I'm calling from a radio show. It's called The Jubil Show.

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Speaker 2: Him McKenna. I'm Nina also on the show. Hi, and

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Speaker 2: I'm Victoria.

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Speaker 8: Hi.

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 9: I'm good.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever listened to the show before?

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Speaker 7: I yes, I've listened to it, so I'm just curious

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Speaker 7: what's going on?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, we do a segment called the First Day

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Speaker 2: follow Up. That's where if you go out with somebody

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Speaker 2: on a date and you ghost them, they can email

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Speaker 2: us to get you on the phone and ask you

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Speaker 2: why you're ghosting them. Oh yeah, do you have any

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Speaker 2: idea who would ask us to call you?

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Speaker 7: I have some thoughts, but I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 2: His name is Caleb. Was that your thoughts?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Caleb emailed us told us about your date. They said

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Speaker 2: he had a great time and he's wondering why you're

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Speaker 7: I mean, we did have a great time, and you know,

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Speaker 7: I had liked him before when we met at a

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Speaker 2: And we went to.

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Speaker 7: A bunch of bars and I had a little too

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Speaker 7: and took care of me and I had a great time,

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Speaker 7: what people have done up to and so it just

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Speaker 7: happened to have seen his ig like the night before

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Speaker 7: we went out, and then afterwards, I just wanted to

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Speaker 7: when I looked to see it, he randomly followed like

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Speaker 7: ten bikini models. And I showed it to my girlfriend

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Speaker 7: I'm just really not about that vibe.

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Speaker 9: If that's what he wants, then that's fine.

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Speaker 7: I don't need to, you know, get involved with someone

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Speaker 4: Wait are you are you stalking me?

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Speaker 2: That's Caleb. Caleb is actually on the phone listening and

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Speaker 2: lets to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Wait, yeah, you're on my Instagram looking at who I'm following.

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Speaker 4: What is that about?

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Speaker 7: Is I haven't seen you in six years? And pop

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Speaker 4: Well, as you know, following people on Instagram.

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Speaker 7: A bikini all bikini models like you know that after

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Speaker 7: you spent time with me and we had a good time,

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Speaker 7: and your go to is to go follow bikini models.

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Speaker 4: No, all that is is eye candy. It it doesn't

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Speaker 7: I'm a guy that after spending time with me.

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Speaker 9: Yes, you're you're correct, a typical guy.

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Speaker 7: So that's what I don't want is a typical guy

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Speaker 7: who's gonna follow bikini models after spending time with me.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well I probably don't need somebody policing what I

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Speaker 4: I thought we had a great time together.

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Speaker 9: It happened rely.

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Speaker 7: I thought you were asorable, and then I just noticed

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Speaker 9: And you're the one that DM me on your accounts.

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Speaker 3: Well, in my defense, I after our date, I went

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Speaker 4: With my buddies and Nick was there. I told you

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Speaker 3: We were all watching some of the old older Olympics,

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Speaker 4: I didn't realize I was following them anyway.

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Speaker 3: But if I follow them, that shouldn't be a problem.

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Speaker 7: Do you Your guy friend followed fifteen bikini models all

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Speaker 3: That all at the same well, I mean he added

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Speaker 3: It didn't it was just stupid. Were just looking at

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Speaker 3: That's how it all started. As I was talking about you,

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Speaker 5: McKenna, What is it about these bikini models that's making

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's just like, I don't know. I just

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Speaker 7: it was literally after our date. I like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 7: the timing of it. And so then it just seems

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Speaker 7: like he's not serious. I'm looking for someone serious. If

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Speaker 7: he wants eye candy, go get the eye candy. I mean,

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Speaker 7: I believe, like I'm a beautiful woman and I deserve

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Speaker 7: that he may never ever meet.

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Speaker 2: She wants to be your eye candy.

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Speaker 4: Caleb McKenna, you are my eye candy.

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Speaker 3: These girls on Instagram it's all fake anyway, it doesn't

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Speaker 4: It's a pipe dream.

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Speaker 7: You're the real deal me that it doesn't make to

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Speaker 7: do that immediately after our date, Like, why would you

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Speaker 7: do that? I mean you had a great time. It

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Speaker 7: just ruined my perception of you. If that is what

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Speaker 7: Like there, it wasn't.

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Speaker 9: a million to the fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Well you, I mean, yeah, I followed. I followed some girls,

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Speaker 3: but you followed Christiansworth, Like right after our day.

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Speaker 2: How do you know that?

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Speaker 9: So you looked at my account? Is that what you're saying?

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Speaker 7: After years told me crap about looking at your account,

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Speaker 7: so you brought itself.

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Speaker 4: It didn't actually bother me.

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Speaker 7: But you're throwing it back in my face something that

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Speaker 7: you said that was wrong for me to do. You

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Speaker 7: were throwing it back in my face.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of cute. Guys, you're stalking each other. It's

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Speaker 2: like you guys have been together for a while. McKenna,

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Speaker 2: Would you like another day with Caleb will pay for it?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 9: I don't think so.

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Speaker 7: I mean, if that's his go to right after a

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Speaker 7: date like I, you know, I don't need to be

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Speaker 7: worrying about if he's looking at other girls, that's what

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Speaker 7: I don't want to be worrying about.

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Speaker 9: And if that's his immediate.

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Speaker 7: Reaction after our first date, then I don't want that

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Speaker 7: kind of energy.

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Speaker 2: So he made you feel insecure right away?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm pretty secure, But if

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Speaker 7: that's what your go to is after our date, like,

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Speaker 7: that's not the energy that I want. I, for one.

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Speaker 3: Don't need my social interactions micromanaged. And it does sound

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Speaker 3: like an insecurity issue to me, which shouldn't exist, but

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Speaker 3: that's what it sounds like.

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Speaker 9: Well, good luck to you with those bikini models girls.

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Speaker 4: Yeah mckennaugh, thank you, and good luck with Chris Hemsworth.

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Speaker 2: I really think you guys should go on another day.

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Speaker 4: Jubile's first Date full